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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jan 4, 2014, 3:15:52 AM1/4/14
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:51:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist" <jnhic...@ntlworld.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic
>Traditionalist" <jnhic...@ntlworld.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:
>>"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>>> "Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:
>>> James <1ri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> >> The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
>>> >> prophecies which have been proven true. It describes things of
>>> >> science
>>> >> which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
>>> >> earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)
>>>
>>> >You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
>>> >you repeating this lie?
>>>
>>> It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
>>> physically
>>> defined.
>>
>>~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
>>
>>An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
>>
>>Jeff...
>>
>~ It is a force that can be measured.
>
>It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for
>thousands
>of years.....{;o;}
Science is complicated. It is much easier for some people to make up
stories about gods so they don't have to bother to do any work learning
about science.
>>Why do you allege that God created it.
>
>No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!
~There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
The evidence is all around you throughout the earth, and the heavens,
if only you opened your eyes to see it.
Take a good look in the mirror and see a created miraculously living
creature before your very eyes.
For man with all his 'intelligence' cannot
create a living organism, the secret is denied to him.
Jeff...
THE COLONEL
Jan 4, 2014, 8:57:07 AM1/4/14
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The yung cunt said.
I then took both hands and pulled her skirt down around her ankles.
Then I spread her legs and fucked her, like a hounddog fuckin'a a football.
I blew my load.
End of story.
I then took both hands and pulled her skirt down around her ankles.
Then I spread her legs and fucked her, like a hounddog fuckin'a a football.
I blew my load.
End of story.
Free Lunch
Jan 4, 2014, 3:14:58 PM1/4/14
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:15:52 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
No. You don't get to just assert that X is evidence. You need a
hypothesis and a test that shows that it is evidence.
>Take a good look in the mirror and see a created miraculously living
>creature before your very eyes.
There's nothing created or miraculous about people. You are making
empty, indefensible assertions.
>For man with all his 'intelligence' cannot
>create a living organism, the secret is denied to him.
How do you think we get babies.
hypothesis and a test that shows that it is evidence.
>Take a good look in the mirror and see a created miraculously living
>creature before your very eyes.
empty, indefensible assertions.
>For man with all his 'intelligence' cannot
>create a living organism, the secret is denied to him.
FIONA
Jan 5, 2014, 2:18:03 AM1/5/14
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FIONA
Jan 5, 2014, 7:58:59 AM1/5/14
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On 5/01/2014 12:57 AM, THE COLONEL wrote:
penis would not rise to a second occassion, so he went and got his Mum
Fiona to get her Dildo and while he held down The Colonel she invaded
his anus and he loved it, apart from the fact his bowels were loose for
a week and he found it extremely hard to walk properly, but in the end
he figured it was well worth it.
THE COLONEL
Jan 5, 2014, 9:44:44 AM1/5/14
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"FIONA" <Bliz...@t4u.com> wrote in message
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The title of that short excerpt, folks, is Visions of a Shemale.
LOL
news:52c95714$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
LOL
FIONA
Jan 6, 2014, 12:21:30 AM1/6/14
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I am just a normal hetro female who can recognise your secret desire to
be taught to be humble.
It is ok I do understand thisand am prepared to help you will salvation
from your predicament
FIONA
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jan 8, 2014, 4:26:28 PM1/8/14
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe,
and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains
with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power
and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...
August Rode
Jan 8, 2014, 6:26:32 PM1/8/14
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On 08/01/2014 4:26 PM, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>
> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
> Universe,
> and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>
> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
> remains
> with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>
> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
> intrinsic design.
Nice series of arguments from ignorance. Lovely. Got anything that isn't
> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>
> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
> Universe,
> and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>
> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
> remains
> with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>
> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
> intrinsic design.
fallacious?
Ralph
Jan 8, 2014, 8:29:12 PM1/8/14
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you'll have to show me the evidence.
Barry OGrady
Jan 8, 2014, 8:36:27 PM1/8/14
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all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.
>Jeff...
--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!
Andrew
Jan 9, 2014, 3:00:08 AM1/9/14
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:nIKdnWURVLP3ZlDP...@giganews.com...
You don't know, nevertheless He is.
Andrew
Jan 9, 2014, 3:02:44 AM1/9/14
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"August Rode" wrote in message news:P8lzu.206075$Rp6....@fx15.iad...
Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
Andrew
Jan 9, 2014, 3:03:05 AM1/9/14
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:r7vrc9dutbrg6brm1...@4ax.com...
you have a question concerning His beneficence.
> "1st Century Apostolic
> Traditionalist" wrote:
> Traditionalist" wrote:
>>"Free Lunch" wrote:
>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>
>>There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>
>>Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>
>>As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>intrinsic design.
>>
>>"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>
> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
> all around?
>
> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
We do know that He is, however it appears that
>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>
>>There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>
>>Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>
>>As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>intrinsic design.
>>
>>"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>
> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
> all around?
>
> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
you have a question concerning His beneficence.
Barry OGrady
Jan 9, 2014, 4:12:09 AM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:03:05 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
I have no question. I'm just pointing out the rock solid proof
of no God that is both good and almighty.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
wrote:
of no God that is both good and almighty.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
Barry OGrady
Jan 9, 2014, 4:14:47 AM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:00:08 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
The creator of God must be beyond awesome.
Such a finely tuned God can not have come about by chance.
wrote:
Such a finely tuned God can not have come about by chance.
Barry OGrady
Jan 9, 2014, 4:15:33 AM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:02:44 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.
wrote:
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.
Andrew
Jan 9, 2014, 5:00:31 AM1/9/14
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:2spsc9h678c76q4c1...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
> I'm just pointing out the rock solid
> proof of no God that is both good and almighty.
But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
>
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
> Then he is not omnipotent.
He is both willing and able.
> Is he able, but not willing?
> Then he is malevolent.
But He is both willing and able.
> Is he both able and willing?
> Then whence cometh evil?
It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.
> Is he neither able nor willing?
No, He is both willing and able.
> Then why call him God?
Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Barry OGrady" wrote:
>>> "1st Century Apostolic
>>> Traditionalist" wrote:
>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote:
>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>
>>>>There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>>Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>>As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>>"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>>>eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>>>understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>>>Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>>>
>>> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
>>> all around?
>>>
>>> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
>>
>>We do know that He is, however it appears that
>>you have a question concerning His beneficence.
>
> I have no question.
Intelligent folk should question.
>>> "1st Century Apostolic
>>> Traditionalist" wrote:
>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote:
>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>
>>>>There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>>Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>>As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>>"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>>>eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>>>understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>>>Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>>>
>>> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
>>> all around?
>>>
>>> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
>>
>>We do know that He is, however it appears that
>>you have a question concerning His beneficence.
>
> I have no question.
> I'm just pointing out the rock solid
> proof of no God that is both good and almighty.
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
>
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
> Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing?
> Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing?
> Then whence cometh evil?
in the light of all eternity.
> Is he neither able nor willing?
> Then why call him God?
purposes of love will prevail.
Andrew
Jan 9, 2014, 5:17:00 AM1/9/14
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:b5qsc9d3m2pctkb23...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
evidence from multiple sources.
> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
Then get to work and do your homework and personal
research.
> In that way I have an advantage over you.
No, ignorance is a disadvantage.
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "August Rode" wrote:
>>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>
>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>
>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>
>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>
>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>
> You think you know things you don't actually know.
No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
>>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>
>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>
>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>
>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>
>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>
> You think you know things you don't actually know.
evidence from multiple sources.
> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
research.
> In that way I have an advantage over you.
Barry OGrady
Jan 9, 2014, 7:20:59 AM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 02:17:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:b5qsc9d3m2pctkb23...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "August Rode" wrote:
> >>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>>
>>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>>
>>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>>
>> You think you know things you don't actually know.
>
>No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
>evidence from multiple sources.
Many Christians have made that claim but none have been
able to provide any evidence.
>> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>
>Then get to work and do your homework and personal
>research.
That's normally good advice but the information is not available.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
wrote:
>"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:b5qsc9d3m2pctkb23...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "August Rode" wrote:
> >>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>>
>>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>>
>>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>>
>> You think you know things you don't actually know.
>
>No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
>evidence from multiple sources.
able to provide any evidence.
>> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>
>Then get to work and do your homework and personal
>research.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.
>> In that way I have an advantage over you.
>
>No, ignorance is a disadvantage.
You are ignorant of your ignorance.
>> In that way I have an advantage over you.
>
>No, ignorance is a disadvantage.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Barry OGrady
Jan 9, 2014, 7:30:25 AM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 02:00:31 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
You are not intelligent.
>> I'm just pointing out the rock solid
>> proof of no God that is both good and almighty.
>
>But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
>formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
>outcome of the equation.
Steve Willson made that same claim but like you he was unable
to find a loophole.
>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
>>
>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>> Then he is not omnipotent.
>
>He is both willing and able.
Then whence cometh evil?
>> Is he able, but not willing?
>> Then he is malevolent.
>
>But He is both willing and able.
Then whence cometh evil?
>> Is he both able and willing?
>> Then whence cometh evil?
>
>It is a *temporary* phenomena
>in the light of all eternity.
Then God is not both willing and able temporally.
>> Is he neither able nor willing?
>
>No, He is both willing and able.
Then whence cometh evil?
>> Then why call him God?
>
>Because He is and His eternal
>purposes of love will prevail.
If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.
wrote:
>> I'm just pointing out the rock solid
>> proof of no God that is both good and almighty.
>
>But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
>formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
>outcome of the equation.
to find a loophole.
>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
>>
>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>> Then he is not omnipotent.
>
>He is both willing and able.
>> Is he able, but not willing?
>> Then he is malevolent.
>
>But He is both willing and able.
>> Is he both able and willing?
>> Then whence cometh evil?
>
>It is a *temporary* phenomena
>in the light of all eternity.
>> Is he neither able nor willing?
>
>No, He is both willing and able.
>> Then why call him God?
>
>Because He is and His eternal
>purposes of love will prevail.
If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.
August Rode
Jan 9, 2014, 8:11:22 AM1/9/14
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On 09/01/2014 3:02 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "August Rode" wrote in message news:P8lzu.206075$Rp6....@fx15.iad...
>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>
>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>
>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>
>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>> intrinsic design.
>>
>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>
> Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
What's to refute, Andrew? Some of his statements are true and the
> "August Rode" wrote in message news:P8lzu.206075$Rp6....@fx15.iad...
>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>
>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>
>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>
>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>> intrinsic design.
>>
>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>
> Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
remainder are his personal opinion, unsupported by any facts.
> Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
> have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
shot, the other side is permitted to laugh.
duke
Jan 9, 2014, 8:14:14 AM1/9/14
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Free Lunch
Jan 9, 2014, 6:27:13 PM1/9/14
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 21:26:28 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist" <jnhic...@ntlworld.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>
>There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
that X is evidence for W just because you want it to be when there is
absolutely no identified way to tie them together. I realize that this
is a common conceit of theists, but it is false, it is dishonest, it is
foolish.
>The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
undertaking that also requires a bit more scientific understanding. What
will your excuse be when scientists show that this can be done, just as
they have shown that viruses can be assembled.
>As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>intrinsic design.
alone the one you prattle on about, had anything to do with anything at
all in the universe.
>"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>Romans 1:20 (NIV)
scriptures until you can show that your scriptures are trustworthy.
Free Lunch
Jan 9, 2014, 6:27:47 PM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:02:44 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch
Jan 9, 2014, 6:28:54 PM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 02:17:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:b5qsc9d3m2pctkb23...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "August Rode" wrote:
> >>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>>
>>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>>
>>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>>
>> You think you know things you don't actually know.
>
>No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
>evidence from multiple sources.
Then you are not talking about your religious claims any more because
you know that you have absolutely no evidence to support your religious
claims.
>> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>
>Then get to work and do your homework and personal
>research.
>
>> In that way I have an advantage over you.
>
>No, ignorance is a disadvantage.
Yet you worship your own ignorance.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:b5qsc9d3m2pctkb23...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "August Rode" wrote:
> >>> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>>>>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
>>>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> Nice series of arguments from ignorance.
>>>
>>>Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
>>>
>>>Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
>>>have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.
>>
>> You think you know things you don't actually know.
>
>No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
>evidence from multiple sources.
you know that you have absolutely no evidence to support your religious
claims.
>> I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>
>Then get to work and do your homework and personal
>research.
>
>> In that way I have an advantage over you.
>
>No, ignorance is a disadvantage.
Free Lunch
Jan 9, 2014, 6:29:45 PM1/9/14
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:00:08 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Andrew worships the falsehoods he preaches.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch
Jan 9, 2014, 6:32:28 PM1/9/14
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:30:25 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Andrew is in denial about the absurd inconsistency of his indefensible
religious claims.
>>> Is he able, but not willing?
>>> Then he is malevolent.
>>
>>But He is both willing and able.
>
>Then whence cometh evil?
>
>>> Is he both able and willing?
>>> Then whence cometh evil?
>>
>>It is a *temporary* phenomena
>>in the light of all eternity.
>
>Then God is not both willing and able temporally.
>
>>> Is he neither able nor willing?
>>
>>No, He is both willing and able.
>
>Then whence cometh evil?
>
>>> Then why call him God?
>>
>>Because He is and His eternal
>>purposes of love will prevail.
>
>If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
>If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
>That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
>
>You think you know things you don't actually know.
>I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>In that way I have an advantage over you.
If there were a god, it would be silly for him to hide from us. A god
that actually exists would have no need for "followers" who make excuses
for his disappearance and make excuses for evil.
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
religious claims.
>>> Is he able, but not willing?
>>> Then he is malevolent.
>>
>>But He is both willing and able.
>
>Then whence cometh evil?
>
>>> Is he both able and willing?
>>> Then whence cometh evil?
>>
>>It is a *temporary* phenomena
>>in the light of all eternity.
>
>Then God is not both willing and able temporally.
>
>>> Is he neither able nor willing?
>>
>>No, He is both willing and able.
>
>Then whence cometh evil?
>
>>> Then why call him God?
>>
>>Because He is and His eternal
>>purposes of love will prevail.
>
>If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
>If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
>That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
>
>You think you know things you don't actually know.
>I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
>In that way I have an advantage over you.
that actually exists would have no need for "followers" who make excuses
for his disappearance and make excuses for evil.
duke
Jan 10, 2014, 12:12:20 PM1/10/14
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Ralph
Jan 10, 2014, 8:26:20 PM1/10/14
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Ralph
Jan 10, 2014, 8:27:45 PM1/10/14
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and that they are the gods of
the universe? Didn't think so.
Ralph
Jan 10, 2014, 8:29:15 PM1/10/14
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On 1/9/2014 3:03 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:r7vrc9dutbrg6brm1...@4ax.com...
>> "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist" wrote:
>>> "Free Lunch" wrote:
>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you descr
> "Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:r7vrc9dutbrg6brm1...@4ax.com...
>> "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist" wrote:
>>> "Free Lunch" wrote:
>>>> There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you descr
>>>> There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> "20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>>> eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>>> understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>>> Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
>> all around?
>>
>> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
> We do know that He is, however it appears that
> you have a question concerning His beneficence.
Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!
>>>> The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
>>>> Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
>>>>
>>>> Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
>>>> remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
>>>>
>>>> As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
>>>> intrinsic design.
>>>>
>>>> "20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
>>>> eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
>>>> understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
>>>> Romans 1:20 (NIV)
>> Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
>> all around?
>>
>> We do know there is no good and powerful God.
> We do know that He is, however it appears that
> you have a question concerning His beneficence.
Ralph
Jan 10, 2014, 8:34:15 PM1/10/14