WHO?
Pete
Zadok
"Pete" <> wrote in message ...
> Who would like to spread miracle whip on my huge erect penis? WHO?
That would be a job for DUKE!!
Being a catho_lick chances are he has already done it!!
Mike Dundee
"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:jCjbh.5036$hn.4310@edtnps82...
That was uncalled for, BOTH of you.
Pete
After Duke jacks my hog, I want him to stick his finger up my asshole
and taste my shit.
Zadok
> >
> > That would be a job for DUKE!!
> >
> > Being a catho_lick chances are he has already done it!!
>
> After Duke jacks my hog, I want him to stick his finger up my asshole
> and taste my shit.
Just put on a dress and a funny hat and tell Duke that your name is Benny,
and he'll do anything you say.
Mike Dundee
"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
news:0m4sm21f93jv2lbvt...@4ax.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:58:02 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
> "elder", Mike...
>
> I would suggest that yuo seriously consider not even responding to
> such.
>
> If you have heard of "trolls" (those who spam Usenet just looking for
> a reply of SOME Kind), you are likely dealing with a 13 or 14 year old
> boy who thinks he is being cute or funny.
>
> Kindly "don't feed the monster" and it won't grow big and strong and
> UGLY.
>
> When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
>
> john w
Good point.
Thanks.
Incitatus
Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> > When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
> >
> > john w
>
> Good point.
> Thanks.
For example:
You just did that with Weatherly
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> I propose that we put our UGLY past behind us. I won't ask for
> apologies, because I understand that there are some who simply don't
> apologize. Period.
>
And of course you would not want to set a precedent whereby you might
feel expected to apologise for your own filthy behaviour towards people on
these newsgroups
After all you avoid all "need" to apologise to anyone by praying to God
for a forgiveness that exceeds such an embarrassing necessity
And then you delude yourself you have received such forgiveness.
This to you constitutes "repentance"
Bollocks Weatherly
You have NEVER repented ONCE in your entire life.
Maybe it is time to start - or are you waiting like Constantine to repent
on your deathbed with all your happy anticipation of a Heaven filled with
all the porn you could want.
+++++++++++++
Incitatus
hypocrisy
Fundamentalist - repent
Now there is an oxymoron!
Pete
Why don't you come over tonight. I'll let you fondle my balls and
fistfuck my asshole. Pete
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> Whether you know it or not, whether you're aware of it or not, I
> have more than once left you with the last word when I could have been
> VICIOUS.
> I simply chose to not go down that road.
>
>
> God bless!
>
> John W
>
You are NEVER anything but VICIOUS
That is the whole problem with you
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
news:Senate-3011...@192.168.0.2...
> In article <rNobh.31473$6t.2...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
> Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>
>
>> > When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
>> >
>> > john w
>>
>> Good point.
>> Thanks.
>
> For example:
>
> You just did that with Weatherly
Get off your high horse man. John made an excellent point. Put your agenda
aside for a moment and think. In following Johns advice, I shouldn't be
responding to you, because whether or not you want to admit it, you appear
to be obsessed with him.
Mike Dundee
"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
>>
>>Good point.
>>Thanks.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> In spite of what you may think, we may disagree vehemently (if you
> read the gospels and epistles CAREFULLY, you will find NUMEROUS VERY
> HEATED exchanges and ARGUMENTS between the apostles, between the
> apostles and JESUS, and between and among the apostles (council) after
> Jesus left.
>
> There is absolutely NOTHING unscriptural about you and me (or me/you
> and anyone else who is a Christian) having SHARP disagreements.
> We just need to do so in LOVE.
>
> And I AGAIN repent to you for past harsh words and ask for your
> forgiveness. I have noted in the past few days that you have very
> quietly been nice in my direction.
>
> You MAY have noticed me doing the same towards you.
>
> I propose that we put our UGLY past behind us. I won't ask for
> apologies, because I understand that there are some who simply don't
> apologize. Period.
>
> I understand that.
Well, you might be surprised.
You observed that I have been nice the last few days. There is a reason for
that. Over the last few days, I have been assessing my own behavior here in
the wonderful world of usenet, and I must say I am ashamed of myself. My
approach to discussions and debates have been childish at best, and
downright mean at worst.
I "observed" Usenet some years back but didn't participate. A few months ago
I came back for another look and decided to participate this time. It was
the wrong time to do so. To say this has been a bad year would be an
understatement. 2006 has been the worst year of my life. I have been dealing
with a health crisis in my family and a health crisis of my own. Having no
insurance, the medical bills have piled up fast. This has lead to me having
a short fuse.
Having said that, it is no excuse for my behavior. As a Christian, we
shouldn't allow personal issues to interfere with unrelated situations. In
that respect I have failed, and there is nothing I can do to change it now.
So, what is left for me to do? I can only apologize.
To John: Please don't apologize to me any more for the past. You have done
so many times already. I am the one who needs to apologize. I am truly
sorry. My behavior has been infantile and I hope you can forgive me. I agree
that we need to put our past behind us and look forward. You are correct
that we may disagree from time to time, but I promise to do my best to not
make it personal.
To Falcon: I apologize to you also. While I doubt we will ever see eye to
eye regarding the Catholic issues, I hope we can put the past in the past
and be decent to each other.
To ujb: I haven't quite got you figured out yet and I am not sure I ever
will, but I apologize for my juvenile attitude towards you.
To anyone else that I may have offended, I am sorry. I hope to be a better
person going forward.
Back to John...
>
> I simply suggest that we "go forward from this point, and be at peace"
> with each other.
>
> Paul said, "make an effort to be at peace with each other." He said
> that in words that indicate he not only knew that some of us (even
> between Christians) are simply not "programmed" to get along with each
> other.
> Likely Paul said that in those careful words BECAUSE he also knew
> committed Christians he hated the SIGHT of, who likewise HATED the
> sight of HIM!
>
> Paul said, "Get along as best you can!" (whether you SUCCEED or
> not--- at LEAST, make the effort)
>
> Life is simply too short for us to be pulling out our straight razors
> every time one of us sees the other.
>
> I will not live that way. How about you?
Same here.
>
> (that doesn't mean that next time I think you're 10000% wrong, I won't
> say so.)
Dittos. :-)
>
> Bear in mind likewise that-- if you check "bi-polar disorder" on the
> web, I truly don't realize how I come across sometimes.
> I also KNOW I tend to be VERY abrasive.
> In those cases, kindly TRY to remember Jesus' directive, "A soft
> answer turns away the anger and the wrath."
>
> Whether you know it or not, whether you're aware of it or not, I
> have more than once left you with the last word when I could have been
> VICIOUS.
> I simply chose to not go down that road.
>
>
> God bless!
God bless you too, John.
ujb
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:42:47 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
> wrote:
> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
> of people commented that he is almost in love with me. I can't burp,
> I can't fart without him reading every single last word and writing a
> 10 page comment about it.
>
> He simply will not ignore me. We must strive evermore to ignore him.
>
> You will notice that I don't respond to his every post. But in many
> cases, if you look at one of my posts, you'll see one, two, three,
> four, sometimes 5 or more of his rants after my posts.
>
> The guy has no life! His life is me.
>
> john w
Papa porn, sweet sweet is in love with you, but oh, that's because
you're my pops!
sonny
NOs...@no.spam
>
>I now ask you -- regarding both Jim and Falcon (this also applies to
>Elaine) who accuses?
Don't gossip about me, liar-johnnie.
The false accuser is yourself, and I see no reason for any apology to
you.
Jack
larr...@adelphia.net
wrote:
>
>"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:jfbsm291go3ef2oqf...@4ax.com...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
>> wrote:
>> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
Mike I am sorry to hear of your problems. I pray that God will get you
thru them all.
May God bless you and keep you,
Larry
Falcon
says...
>
>You observed that I have been nice the last few days. There is a reason for
>that. Over the last few days, I have been assessing my own behavior here in
>the wonderful world of usenet, and I must say I am ashamed of myself. My
>approach to discussions and debates have been childish at best, and
>downright mean at worst.
>I "observed" Usenet some years back but didn't participate. A few months ago
>I came back for another look and decided to participate this time. It was
>the wrong time to do so. To say this has been a bad year would be an
>understatement. 2006 has been the worst year of my life. I have been dealing
>with a health crisis in my family and a health crisis of my own. Having no
>insurance, the medical bills have piled up fast. This has lead to me having
>a short fuse.
Very sorry to hear about your horrible year and the struggles you are facing.
It must be a tremendous burden for you right now and I will pray for you and
yours.
>Having said that, it is no excuse for my behavior. As a Christian, we
>shouldn't allow personal issues to interfere with unrelated situations. In
>that respect I have failed, and there is nothing I can do to change it now.
>So, what is left for me to do? I can only apologize.
>
<Snip>
>
>To Falcon: I apologize to you also. While I doubt we will ever see eye to
>eye regarding the Catholic issues, I hope we can put the past in the past
>and be decent to each other.
I very much appreciate your sentiments in this note and must say that I am
touched by your sincerity. For what it is worth to you, I think that this note
from you, not just the section to me, shows a lot of character on your part.
Ciao,
Falcon
JohnH
to reply back to you. Now that everyone's had time to be
truly-gracious, let me just say...I noticed.
JohnH
Pete
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
.> I have repented of it all,
The problem is that you have NOT
You continue it
You have NOT apologised to those you have lied to, threatened, insulted,
defamed, AND in addition you have NOT STOPPED offending
All of your prayers for forgiveness are just so much empty rubbish
You need to start with
1. apologising to the ONLY people who can forgive you - those you have
offended in some manner - God can't do this for you. That is superstitious
rubbish.
2. correcting your errors
3. seeking treatment and guidance to avoid recurrence
Only THEN are you ready to seek "Divine Forgiveness"
Whatever that constitutes in your rich imagination
Your seeking of "divine forgiveness" is nothing more than an attempt to
expunge your personal guilt without actually making recompense for what
you have done or seeking psychiatric help which you desperately need. It
is DENIAL!
Oh and to prevent a recurrence you might like to ditch the Fundamentalist
crap Weltanschauung that has been reinforcing your behaviour.
John you haven't been that bad a person, you have simply been unwell for a
long time, you aren't really bound for hell any more than the rest of us
are. But you need HELP to get over all this NONSENSE that has got into
your life
Despite the fact that in some senses it might be inappropriate I think you
could well start your researches by attending an AA meeting in order to
find a Twelve Steps based therapy that suits you. I have great
reservations about the Twelve Steps but for some people they are like a
clock showing the right time!
I might get very fed up with you at times but I happen to think you are
worth it.
++++++++++++++++++
Mike Dundee
"JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1164909482....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
> "john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
> news:jfbsm291go3ef2oqf...@4ax.com...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
> > wrote:
> > Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
I admit I may be a bit slow today but you noticed what? Is there something I
need to apologize to you directly for? If so, please tell me.
Incitatus
<johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike, I waited to make sure that each of the subject folks had a chance
> to reply back to you. Now that everyone's had time to be
> truly-gracious, let me just say...I noticed.
>
> JohnH
Mike
I too noticed your post and was moved by it. I am very sorry to hear you
have been through such difficult times. But Mike there is a big BUT to
what you are saying.
You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this group
intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of their
lives
The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is appallingly
at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist hatred
of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
discussion oafter discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
and apartheid.
Reconciliation to the Christians here mostly means succumbing to an entire
pattern of dogma, doctrine and tyranny that many rational people find
repugnant in the extreme - worse still it means stepping back from a level
of maturity reached over an entire lifespan to regain a juvenile
intellectual and spiritual state. Hell man, they even call it "Born
Again"- bugger that! Many of us CANNOT do this. We have seen behind the
veil and know that what we once may have seen, what fundamentalists and
most Christians here still regard as the "true picture," is nothing more
than a barrier to the perception of what is really there.
Once there was a way to go back home, but that home is gone forever, the
people are gone, the building itself has been pulled down, the streets are
different the neighbourhood no longer exists. That is what it was like
for those of us brought up in the postwar cities of Europe - and in our
spiritual lives it is the same. We do not choose to grow up we simply do
- and many of us follow the one thing we accept from St Paul and put aside
childish things forever.
All attempts at proper reconciliation with many Christians here result in
abuse or attempts on their part to smirk and dominate and to draw us into
their madness and deranged theology. Instead of throwing at us the famous
words in the often dreadfully fraudulent "Gospel of John" which say "I am
the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father but by me" we
are asking you to recognise that these words are the banners and slogans
of one culture and do NOT apply universally to all cultures. They are
propaganda and NOT representations of absolute truth
Rather perhaps take another piece of Christian culture and look at the old
Christian hymn that says "Each sees ONE color of thy rainbow light - Each
looks upon one tint and calls IT Heaven - Thou art the fullness of our
PARTIAL sight, We are not perfect till we find the SEVEN"
The Fundamentalist view is a tiny tiny limited perception of the world.
Creationism is an even smaller and more distorted one. Paulism is a
slightly larger perception and the religion of Jesus may have been a
somewhat less limited one. But all of Christianity is but one small part
of the spectrum of understanding the universe. Other cultures have their
own limited and equally valid spectra of understanding. Christians must
learn to respect that. The end result of their present misunderstanding
is in the streets of Baghdad and at a smaller level in the conflicts in
this newsgroup.
Mate you are not a better person going forward - you aren't a bad one
anyway. You just happen like all of us to have got some funny ideas in
your head. You can be as juvenile as you like but please - a message to
ALL Christians - do not expect the rest of the world to be. Do not expect
us to lower our standards of truth, faith, loyalty, evidence, integrity,
compassion, pity, reason, intellect , intelligence, understanding ,
scholarship, logic even of spirituality and the good in order to reach
the decrepit and demeaningly low standards of present day Jingle Bells
Christianity.
+++++++++++
"And this I know: whether the one True Light,
Kindle to Love, or Wrathconsume me quite,
One Glimpse of It within the Tavern caught
Better than in the Temple lost outright."
(Omar Khyaam)
++++++++++++
How about an experiment Christians
Why not try raising YOUR standards
In order to reach OURS
PharLap (sic)
Christian Alumnist
(graduated 1963)
++++++++++++++++
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> John H is perhaps our most ambiguous, holier-than-everyone else
> Pharisee.
>
> You will never measure up to John H's standard of perfection. Don't
> even try.
>
Thankyou Weatherly for so clearly illustrating what I was trying to say.
Without a seachange in their personal Weltanschauung - which would require
rejecting a deranged theology - many Christians are incapable of reaching
the behavioural standards required by reconciliation.
Incitatus
Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> "Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
> news:Senate-3011...@192.168.0.2...
> > In article <rNobh.31473$6t.2...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
> > Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> > When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
> >> >
> >> > john w
> >>
> >> Good point.
> >> Thanks.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > You just did that with Weatherly
>
>
> Get off your high horse man. John made an excellent point. Put your agenda
> aside for a moment and think. In following Johns advice, I shouldn't be
> responding to you, because whether or not you want to admit it, you appear
> to be obsessed with him.
Aren't you supposed to be the man that - sensibly and movingly I thought -
was going around "apologising"
Dear oh Dear oh Dear
You aren't really apologising at all perhaps?
Merely seeking allies
"Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"
(Shakespeare)
By the way you just did what you claim to be against
However unlike most Christians I don't have a permanently half starving
ego so there is no need
And if I was in America the Weatherly problem would have been sorted out
compassionately years ago by ringing a few Christian organisations to care
for him
What is your problem in doing that - too busy "apologising"
Think a moment perhaps before answering with the usual Christian pious and
pompous rage!
Reconciliation must cost BOTH parties or it is not reconciliation but
dominance and submission
What are YOU prepared to give up that matters to you in your world view?
++++
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
One question Concorde.
Besides Weatherly, why do you hang around here?
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
>
> There is no "appearance" about it. Long before you got here, a number
> of people commented that he is almost in love with me. I can't burp,
> I can't fart without him reading every single last word and writing a
> 10 page comment about it.
>
Sweetie does this mean you are leaving
You will be so missed
Incitatus
> Papa porn, sweet sweet is in love with you, but oh, that's because
> you're my pops!
> sonny
Maybe we'll have to learn to share him
You can have him for the next 10,000 years
I'll have him for the following week
Incitatus
<umz7...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> WHO will spread miracle whip on my huge erect penis? WHO?
take care
you could end up in one of sweet sweets stories or his autobiography or in
court with the rest of us killing ourselves laughing (including at you)
As a girl friend of mine said to a flasher
"What on earth are you showing a silly little thing like that to me for"
He ran off whimpering.
Incitatus
Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
I have answered your question many times in posts to various people.
Weatherly is no part of the reason why I am here..
Maybe the Lord keeps me here to help knock some sense into your silly heads.
:-)
Your apology was taken seriously including by me
I now wonder what it was all about because you are beginning to make it
look very phoney
Anyway in case you missed my post earlier
+++++++++++++++++
Mike
I too noticed your post and was moved by it. I am very sorry to hear you
have been through such difficult times. But Mike there is a big BUT to
what you are saying.
You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this group
intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of their
lives
The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is appallingly
at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist hatred
of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
discussion after discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
Incitatus
==========
"The sad truth is that the scholarship present in the Christian Academy
for at least 200 years has not been shared with the people sitting in the
pews. This conspiracy of silence has been carried out quite consciously
for fear that these biblical insights might destroy the faith of lay
people and make the minister's task more difficult. I have always believed
that any god who can be destroyed ought to be destroyed. If one's faith
has to be protected from truth, it has already died.
If the clergy would accept the fact that lay people are not dumb sheep who
cannot learn and stop insulting their intelligence with the theological
drivel, masquerading as a sermon, and would take their educational task
seriously, there might be some excitement in the Christian Church.
Instead we are offered a choice between hysterical fundamentalism and
vapid liberalism. In my opinion both are dead end streets. There is a
hunger in the church for truth, not illusion; for education, not
propaganda; for the honoring of our questions rather than the pretense
that the clergy have all the answers; for a journey into the mystery of
God, not the memorization of creedal formulas.
Across America and Canada and perhaps the world, there are some local
churches awakening to these possibilities and the response is heartening.
It takes courage to risk. However, the alternative is to die or to try to
put a face-lift on the corpse of yesterday's religious system.
(Spong)
+++++++++++
Incitatus
=================
Because secular humanism is a western phenomenon not an eastern one, it
seems obvious to me that it has grown out of a western value system that
has been significantly shaped by the Judeo-Christian tradition. I see
Christianity at its heart as deeply humanistic. The core doctrine of the
Christian faith suggests that God is revealed through a human life. Jesus
states his purpose in John's gospel to be that of giving life abundantly.
So I see secular humanism as the residual remains of Christianity once the
supernatural elements have been removed.
The relationship between the two is, however, even more complex than that.
The next issue we have to face is that of determining whether the
supernatural understanding of God is essential to Christianity. I do not
think it is. Furthermore, I do not think that the mythological framework
in which Jesus has been traditionally understood, as God's divine invasion
of this world to rescue the fallen, is either original or accurate, to say
nothing about its being an adequate way to understand the meaning of the
Christ. Indeed, I think that understanding of Jesus is exactly backwards.
It was because Jesus was fully human that people experienced in him all
that God means. It will take the Christian Church at least another century
or two to overcome the way we have distorted God and to rid ourselves of
the primitive images with which we have surrounded Jesus; but it will
happen and, when it does, Christianity will experience a burst of new
life.
-- John Shelby Spong
Mike Dundee
You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
>
> You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
> this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this group
> intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
> disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of their
> lives
>
> The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
> underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is appallingly
> at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist hatred
> of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
> discussion after discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
> and apartheid.
I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is what we
consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
>
> Reconciliation to the Christians here mostly means succumbing to an entire
> pattern of dogma, doctrine and tyranny that many rational people find
> repugnant in the extreme - worse still it means stepping back from a level
> of maturity reached over an entire lifespan to regain a juvenile
> intellectual and spiritual state. Hell man, they even call it "Born
> Again"- bugger that! Many of us CANNOT do this. We have seen behind the
> veil and know that what we once may have seen, what fundamentalists and
> most Christians here still regard as the "true picture," is nothing more
> than a barrier to the perception of what is really there.
The simple response to your answer is this...Don't come here. You don't like
Christians. Fine, I accept that. If you hate us so much, stay away. Why come
here and allow your blood pressure to go up over people you don't like?
Because in this forum you can. All you want to do is be a pain in the neck
to a group of people you hate, and on usenet you can do that.
In a church, you could not.
You would be welcome in my church until you started doing there what you do
here. You would be asked to leave. If you returned and continued the
behavior, you would be escorted out, and if you came back again, you would
be removed by the police.
Here, you can do as you wish and claim "Maybe the Lord keeps me here to help
knock some sense into your silly heads"
Maybe we don't want your brand of "sense"
And if we do accept it or we don't accept it, how does that affect you? It
doesn't.
You remind me of someone I knew in high school who kept after me to try
smoking pot. I had no interest. He kept it up and kept it up saying it was
so great to get stoned. I finally said to him one day..."Jay, let's say we
are sitting in the park and I give in and smoke a joint. How will that
affect you personally? Will you get stoned because I smoke a joint?" He
said, "well, no." I said "then why do you care so much if I do???"
He never asked me again.
>
> Once there was a way to go back home, but that home is gone forever, the
> people are gone, the building itself has been pulled down, the streets are
> different the neighbourhood no longer exists. That is what it was like
> for those of us brought up in the postwar cities of Europe - and in our
> spiritual lives it is the same. We do not choose to grow up we simply do
> - and many of us follow the one thing we accept from St Paul and put aside
> childish things forever.
>
> All attempts at proper reconciliation with many Christians here result in
> abuse or attempts on their part to smirk and dominate and to draw us into
> their madness and deranged theology. Instead of throwing at us the famous
> words in the often dreadfully fraudulent "Gospel of John" which say "I am
> the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father but by me" we
> are asking you to recognise that these words are the banners and slogans
> of one culture and do NOT apply universally to all cultures. They are
> propaganda and NOT representations of absolute truth
Funny you should mention "cultures"
Suppose you went on a safari and came accross a tribe who's culture included
women stretching their necks with those silly rings. I am sure you have seen
pictures of these people. The women keep adding rings and stretching their
necks to the limit. Suppose you find the practice disturbing and you tell
them so over and over and keep saying "that practice does not apply to all
cultures." What would they do? They would tell you if you don't like seeing
it, get the **** out of here and leave us alone!
No one is forcing you to accept Christianity.
>
> Rather perhaps take another piece of Christian culture and look at the old
> Christian hymn that says "Each sees ONE color of thy rainbow light - Each
> looks upon one tint and calls IT Heaven - Thou art the fullness of our
> PARTIAL sight, We are not perfect till we find the SEVEN"
>
> The Fundamentalist view is a tiny tiny limited perception of the world.
> Creationism is an even smaller and more distorted one. Paulism is a
> slightly larger perception and the religion of Jesus may have been a
> somewhat less limited one. But all of Christianity is but one small part
> of the spectrum of understanding the universe. Other cultures have their
> own limited and equally valid spectra of understanding. Christians must
> learn to respect that. The end result of their present misunderstanding
> is in the streets of Baghdad and at a smaller level in the conflicts in
> this newsgroup.
You just listed a bunch of things you don't like. Here they are in order...
"The Fundamentalist view"
"Creationism"
"Paulism"
"the religion of Jesus"
You tell us that other cultures have different views. Besides saying "DUH!
We already know that!", what else do you want? This is
alt.religion.CHRISTIAN.BAPTIST
You don't like Baptists and you don't like Christianity. Wouldn't it be more
enjoyable for you to be part of a group that thinks like you?
The only time I post to an atheist group is if someone cross-posts and I
reply without knowing their group was included. I don't seek out atheists
because they don't want to hear from me and I don't want to hear from them.
Is any of this making sense to you?
>
> Mate you are not a better person going forward - you aren't a bad one
> anyway. You just happen like all of us to have got some funny ideas in
> your head. You can be as juvenile as you like but please - a message to
> ALL Christians - do not expect the rest of the world to be.
We already know this. Do you think you are telling me some breaking news
that I haven't heard before?
> Do not expect
> us to lower our standards of truth, faith, loyalty, evidence, integrity,
> compassion, pity, reason, intellect , intelligence, understanding ,
> scholarship, logic even of spirituality and the good in order to reach
> the decrepit and demeaningly low standards of present day Jingle Bells
> Christianity.
We don't "expect" you to do anything. You can come here for the next 25
years if you like. If I stick around that long I can GUARANTEE you that you
will not shake my faith. You will NOT discourage me. You will NOT change my
mind about the Lord Jesus Christ.
If I came to your home several times a day witnessing to you about
Christianity, would you not call the authorities and ask them to make sure I
know to stay away?
Mike Dundee
<snip>
This makes the third response to my question in a ten minute time frame
(according to my news server)
You are obsessed and yet none of your replies does anything to discourage my
beliefs.
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
Of course you do otherwise you would not have posted that particular opinion.
You seem to find it hard to comprehend sincere disagreement . . It would
seem that the democratic traditions of your country - even enshrined in
the Bill of Rights and First Amendment are overruled by your religious
belief that you cannort be considered "wrong" or in need of
qualification.. That is a problem!
>
> >
> > You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
> > this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this group
> > intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
> > disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of their
> > lives
> >
> > The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
> > underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is appallingly
> > at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist hatred
> > of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
> > discussion after discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
> > and apartheid.
>
> I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is what we
> consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
No, you do not understand me there and I suggest you look into what I mean
by my deliberate use of the word OTHER
> > Reconciliation to the Christians here mostly means succumbing to an entire
> > pattern of dogma, doctrine and tyranny that many rational people find
> > repugnant in the extreme - worse still it means stepping back from a level
> > of maturity reached over an entire lifespan to regain a juvenile
> > intellectual and spiritual state. Hell man, they even call it "Born
> > Again"- bugger that! Many of us CANNOT do this. We have seen behind the
> > veil and know that what we once may have seen, what fundamentalists and
> > most Christians here still regard as the "true picture," is nothing more
> > than a barrier to the perception of what is really there.
>
> The simple response to your answer is this...Don't come here. You don't like
> Christians. Fine, I accept that. If you hate us so much, stay away. Why come
> here and allow your blood pressure to go up over people you don't like?
> Because in this forum you can. All you want to do is be a pain in the neck
> to a group of people you hate, and on usenet you can do that.
Easy answer on your part which avoids thinking .. Maybe I am here to MAKE
you think. Maybe even I don't know that, If you ARE a believer then you
had at least better believe I am here through God's will
Must break off for a few minutes but I'll be back
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
Why should I want to
Beliefs don't concern me
Deeds do
That is the real distinction between faith and deeds
+++++++++++++
Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> I forget the official nomenclature of the syndrome, but I am the
> flame, Phar Lap is the moth.
>
> john w
Nice try
ujb
Could it be he has 'noticed' you're so much like weatherly?
JohnH
> "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1164909482....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> >
> >Mike, I waited to make sure that each of the subject folks had a chance
> >to reply back to you. Now that everyone's had time to be
> >truly-gracious, let me just say...I noticed.
>
> I admit I may be a bit slow today but you noticed what?
>
ujb. To me, it showed a humbled spirit.
>
> Is there something I
> need to apologize to you directly for? If so, please tell me.
>
else that I may have offended, I am sorry," didn't that cover me,
anyway? I think it did. :-)
(Hebrews 10:16-17; Jeremiah 31:33-34) These are "after those days."
The LORD said that He would "remember their [our] sin no more," so why
not follow His example?
"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after
righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness" (1 Timothy
6:11).
"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us,
leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps" (1 Peter 2:21).
"Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He
that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God" (3
John 1:11).
Out of context? Maybe...but all three (Paul, Peter, and John) show the
wisdom of following "Godly" examples.
JohnH
>
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
news:Senate-0112...@192.168.0.2...
> <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
>
> Of course you do otherwise you would not have posted that particular
> opinion.
>
> You seem to find it hard to comprehend sincere disagreement . . It would
> seem that the democratic traditions of your country - even enshrined in
> the Bill of Rights and First Amendment are overruled by your religious
> belief that you cannort be considered "wrong" or in need of
> qualification.. That is a problem!
That's not true. I don't mind debate. But it's obvious you hate Christianity
and anything associated with it. So why come here? Do you enter churches in
your part of the world and shout out your views of Christianity? No, because
you would be kicked out or maybe arrested.
>>
>> >
>> > You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
>> > this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this
>> > group
>> > intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
>> > disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of
>> > their
>> > lives
>> >
>> > The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
>> > underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is
>> > appallingly
>> > at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist
>> > hatred
>> > of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
>> > discussion after discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
>> > and apartheid.
>>
>> I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is what
>> we
>> consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
>
> No, you do not understand me there and I suggest you look into what I mean
> by my deliberate use of the word OTHER
For Christians, people are either saved or unsaved. For me, "other" refers
to the unsaved.
>
>
>
>> > Reconciliation to the Christians here mostly means succumbing to an
>> > entire
>> > pattern of dogma, doctrine and tyranny that many rational people find
>> > repugnant in the extreme - worse still it means stepping back from a
>> > level
>> > of maturity reached over an entire lifespan to regain a juvenile
>> > intellectual and spiritual state. Hell man, they even call it "Born
>> > Again"- bugger that! Many of us CANNOT do this. We have seen behind
>> > the
>> > veil and know that what we once may have seen, what fundamentalists and
>> > most Christians here still regard as the "true picture," is nothing
>> > more
>> > than a barrier to the perception of what is really there.
>>
>> The simple response to your answer is this...Don't come here. You don't
>> like
>> Christians. Fine, I accept that. If you hate us so much, stay away. Why
>> come
>> here and allow your blood pressure to go up over people you don't like?
>> Because in this forum you can. All you want to do is be a pain in the
>> neck
>> to a group of people you hate, and on usenet you can do that.
>
> Easy answer on your part which avoids thinking .. Maybe I am here to MAKE
> you think. Maybe even I don't know that, If you ARE a believer then you
> had at least better believe I am here through God's will
ummmmmm I can't help myself here...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Mike Dundee
And our "deeds" discussed on this group have absolutely no affect on you.
yahu
following message with
news:WXVbh.1618$Py2...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Were they to remain in the group, & avoid real life, that would be good.
Now, would you care to bet on how many xians, or anyuone else's,
attitudes carry over from the net into real life?
Yahu
Mike Dundee
"yahu" <ya...@elephantineis.eg> wrote in message
news:Xns988C61F...@217.209.156.205...
Ok, and if a Christian does something to you in "real life" you deal with it
then. You aren't going to change a thing here.
What good does it do to yell at people for having ideas when you won't ever
meet these people in real life and thus you will never be affected?
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
news:Senate-0112...@192.168.0.2...
>> > In article <rNobh.31473$6t.2...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
>> > Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> > When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
>> >> >
>> >> > john w
>> >>
>> >> Good point.
>> >> Thanks.
>> >
>> > For example:
>> >
>> > You just did that with Weatherly
>>
>>
>> Get off your high horse man. John made an excellent point. Put your
>> agenda
>> aside for a moment and think. In following Johns advice, I shouldn't be
>> responding to you, because whether or not you want to admit it, you
>> appear
>> to be obsessed with him.
>
> Aren't you supposed to be the man that - sensibly and movingly I thought -
> was going around "apologising"
>
> Dear oh Dear oh Dear
>
> You aren't really apologising at all perhaps?
I apologized to those I felt I wronged. It was sincere.
>
> Merely seeking allies
On Usenet? LOL
>
> "Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"
>
> (Shakespeare)
>
> By the way you just did what you claim to be against
>
> However unlike most Christians I don't have a permanently half starving
> ego so there is no need
Are you kidding me?
>
> And if I was in America the Weatherly problem would have been sorted out
> compassionately years ago by ringing a few Christian organisations to care
> for him
You don't understand laws in America. What you think could be done can't be
done. It's that simple. And since you hate Christianity, please don't speak
about Christian compassion.
>
> What is your problem in doing that - too busy "apologising"
It can't be done.
>
> Think a moment perhaps before answering with the usual Christian pious and
> pompous rage!
It can't be done. There are laws regarding these things.
>
> Reconciliation must cost BOTH parties or it is not reconciliation but
> dominance and submission
>
> What are YOU prepared to give up that matters to you in your world view?
You and I didn't have a problem. I apologized to those I did have problems
with. Why must you stick your nose in where it doesn't belong? My apologies
to John, Falcon and ujb are no concern of yours.
JohnH
> x-no-archive: yes
> On 1 Dec 2006 04:59:53 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
> follow.
>
> You merely stand in the doorway/in the path, blocking the journey of
> others with your loooooooooooooooong list of rules, and you point,
> "the path is that way", yet you refuse to take the path yourself.
>
> There is indeed a passage that applies to you.
>
> "Be ye a doer of the word, and not a hearer only!"
>
"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own
selves" (James 1:22).
Ah, a sorta, kinda quote from the venerable King James Version, huh?
Well, thanks for resetting the precedent. I might start using it
exclusively all-over-again. And, to think, I have you to thank. :-)
JohnH
>
> john w
NOs...@no.spam
>
>So sad, Larry, "the moderate one" (chuckle), that I have repented to
>Mike, and Mike has repented to me, and yuo have become an ignorant,
>opinionated, childish, boorish snob like the other pseudo-Christian
>you now emulate, Ms Elaine.
GOSSIP ALERT!
Pete
JohnH
john w wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> EARTH would you change now?
>
> "Once an asshole, always an asshole!
>
"For though by this time you ought to be a journalist or professional
writer, you need someone to teach you again the rudimentary principles
of writing; and you have come to need milk and not solid food" (Heb.
5:12, more or less).
Think of your quotation in terms of HyperText Markup Language (HTML).
If you begin a statement with a quotation mark, then you also have to
close it off with one, too; otherwise, it just won't work, son.
>
> ;-)
>
John, are you trying to flirt with me, again? Do I need cite what God
thinks about man on man and woman on woman? Yeah, apparently I do.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gives them up to vile passions. For even
their women change
he natural use for what is contrary to nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, abandoning the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men with men performing
what is shameful, and receiving the
retribution within themselves, the penalty which is fitting for their
error.
>
> >
> >JohnH
> >>
> >> john w
NOs...@no.spam
>
>Johnny boy, you have been a ha-----e a--hole for so long, why on
>EARTH would you change now?
>
>"Once an a--hole, always an a--hole!
MORE 'good ordained PASTORAL' SPEECH, HUH, LIAR-JOHNNIE?
gutter mouth corrected..........
walks...@dastarrdly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
at 12:36 AM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> beside it was a lovely day to
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people a lot of various newsgroups.
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the>x-no-archive: yes >On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:26:50 GMT, "Mike Dundee"
<no...@nunya.com> wrote: > Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no
portion of this article >may be used elsewhere without express written
consent of the author >>
>>"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>news:jfbsm291go3ef2oqf...@4ax.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
snip
>>To ujb: I haven't quite got you figured out yet and I am not sure I ever
>>will, but I apologize for my juvenile attitude towards you.
>>
>>To anyone else that I may have offended, I am sorry. I hope to be a better
>>person going forward.
>Not to do your thinking for you, Mike, but merely to try to give a
>restored brother (not that YOU were out of line/we've both been, and now
>I am calling us "at peace")
Translation, now that you have apologized me publicly, it's time for me to
be generous and welcome you back into my fold.
>To try to give a restored brother " a head start" or "an insight" into
>Falcon and Jim Agar (ujb).
Also known as but the trash talking begin.
>Bear in mind, Mike, that Jim and Falcon have both been in here for OVER 6
>YEARS, and both began attacking me RE my mental illness the moment I
>showed up.
This has been responded to before so I shant go into it into any detail,
you were called in your nasty attitude, you were called in your inability
to defend your claims, and therefore they were attacking you about your
mental illness, something that was never brought up the Pentecostal or
charismatic newsgroups when you are over there trying to peddle your
particular variety of poison. The only time he came up is when you started
needing excuses for your conduct. No more, no less. You have attempted
to claim your claimed mental deficiencies as a justification for your
conduct.
snip
which wannabe this time Johnnie, the world's greatest liar, Oh, I'm sorry,
xian who would never willingly berate or denigrate anybody else, unless of
course, he had a chance and the ability to place the blame for his conduct
in something that he could not be held accountable for? You can forget
being the world's greatest xian, that title has already been taking for
some number of years, by a woman.
walksalone who in the jw pity scale can only give this effort a -400, he
did not dwell on his problems enough.
Nothing is more logical than persecution. Religious tolerance is a kind of
infidelity. -- Ambrose Bierce, Collected Works (1912), quoted from James
A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief
walks...@dastarrdly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
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and trusted technique of pretending to be the innocent victim, of course,
he is anything but, but that does not stop the pretense.
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>On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:42:47 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
>may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the author
>>
>>"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
>>news:Senate-3011...@192.168.0.2...
>>> In article <rNobh.31473$6t.2...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
>>> Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
snip
>There is no "appearance" about it. Long before you got here, a number of
>people commented that he is almost in love with me. I can't burp, I
>can't fart without him reading every single last word and writing a 10
>page comment about it.
As previously pointed out, then the people making an observation is one,
you to be exact. The majority of this post are not even close to a 10
page comment about whatever you have said or screwed up this time. Does
he post some pages that are rather long for USENET, yes he does. However,
they are the general informational type post, though they may specifically
deal with your conduct they are not specifically for your benefit.
>He simply will not ignore me. We must strive evermore to ignore him.
We, when did you have your coronation, or are you the only one allowed to
use the royal we?
>You will notice that I don't respond to his every post. But in many
No, you know what I do not. For quite strictly he nails your ass to the
barn door. Of course, you are too ignorant to realize this but on
occasion becomes across to you that you have been outclassed again, or
still as the case may be.
>cases, if you look at one of my posts, you'll see one, two, three, four,
>sometimes 5 or more of his rants after my posts.
And frankly, we look at your post would find that you are doing exactly
what you are accusing him of. Frequently, in my case I have seen three or
more post on the same subject, on the very same post. So before you start
planning your fingers at somebody else, you might want to start looking at
your own history and the squalor of it.
>The guy has no life! His life is me.
From what I've seen, he has one heck of a good life going for himself.
Unlike you, he has family and friends in a position of trust and
acceptance in his community. Things that you lack, why he's not even on
the dole. He's either paying for or has paid for his home & the education
of his children. Things you have not done. In the United States today
you're referred to as a deadbeat dad. But that's all right, you beat your
ex-wife out of her child support. & supposedly she came from a rich
family when you married her. But the person you are attempting to
denigrate, he does not have your failures.
>john w
which wannabe this time Johnnie? The individual who generates the
appearance of being low life, low-rent, trailer trash who can do nothing
to badmouth others, that and hope the person you find them does not take a
sharp left turn or his nose will be broken, & can only hope to impress
others that really have not paid attention to what's going on?
walksalone who had been here longer than Johnnie ever will be, & has
noticed the deterioration in the quality of conversations since his
arrival, or once he intrudes his odious conduct and to the affairs of
others. A bit like a cancer in reality, but then, as yet he apparently is
his drug of choice & it has rotted his mind and his ability to interact
with other people in a civil manner.
Academy, n. A modern school where football is taught.
-- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary (1911)
walks...@dastarrdly.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
at 05:13 PM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> elected to take an opportunity
to flatter himself and stroke his ego, and so what if he wasted 115 lines
to to tell everybody to look at how wonderful I am and how intelligent I
am. Yet, apparently he has yet to learn that xianity does not revolve
around what he thinks, or claims to know.
From: john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how>
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Subject: Re: WHO?
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>On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
>may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the author
>>
>>"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>news:0m4sm21f93jv2lbvt...@4ax.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:58:02 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>>>
>>>>"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:jCjbh.5036$hn.4310@edtnps82...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Pete" <> wrote in message ...
Unless of course, somebody is responding to you about what your trolling
efforts.
>>> When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
>>>
>>> john w
>>
>>Good point.
>>Thanks.
>You are welcome.
>In spite of what you may think, we may disagree vehemently (if you read
>the gospels and epistles CAREFULLY, you will find NUMEROUS VERY HEATED
>exchanges and ARGUMENTS between the apostles, between the apostles and
>JESUS, and between and among the apostles (council) after Jesus left.
Actually, I have never encountered that. However, given your tenuous
grasp on reality as well as your inability to read in context, it's
relatively easy to see how you can come to that conclusion. After all,
the John Weatherly filter makes things come out the way you want to hear
them.
> There is absolutely NOTHING unscriptural about you and me (or me/you
>and anyone else who is a Christian) having SHARP disagreements.
> We just need to do so in LOVE.
Which left you out, you really love one person according to your posting
history, and I does not happen to be one of your god's.
> And I AGAIN repent to you for past harsh words and ask for your
>forgiveness. I have noted in the past few days that you have very quietly
>been nice in my direction.
Repentance, indicates a willingness to attempt to no longer invoke the
activity that you are repenting, which means that you are lying to your
guides when you claim to repent.
>You MAY have noticed me doing the same towards you.
Yes, you need the fan club membership. This type of conduct from you can
be found throughout your posting history when you are seeking to have
somebody stroke your ego by agreeing with you.
> I propose that we put our UGLY past behind us. I won't ask for
>apologies, because I understand that there are some who simply don't
>apologize. Period.
Now isn't that special, you started the war, and now you want to declare
peace. How long will it last? As to apologizing, you are famous for
apologizing and not meaning it. Your apologies always have conditions,
sometimes you even state them out loud.
> I understand that.
>I simply suggest that we "go forward from this point, and be at peace"
>with each other.
Until you're at peace with yourself, you will not be at peace with others
with regularity.
>Paul said, "make an effort to be at peace with each other." He said that
>in words that indicate he not only knew that some of us (even between
In other words, your missing messiah wasn't good enough and you must rely
the words of a self proclaimed apostle.
>Christians) are simply not "programmed" to get along with each other.
> Likely Paul said that in those careful words BECAUSE he also knew
>committed Christians he hated the SIGHT of, who likewise HATED the sight
>of HIM!
Did you think that people who hate liars are a relatively unique in recent
development in human society question mark
>Paul said, "Get along as best you can!" (whether you SUCCEED or not---
>at LEAST, make the effort)
And yet, your messiah had nothing to say about it, but then, your messiah
only came for Israel [Judea really because there was no Israel anymore].
>Life is simply too short for us to be pulling out our straight razors
>every time one of us sees the other.
That does not stop you from attempting to cut the throat of everybody else
who does not come to you on bended knee, about the time anybody that knows
you will would take you above statement seriously is about time you start
treating people as human beings instead of objects of derision unless they
are kissing your ass publicly.
>I will not live that way. How about you?
On USENET, that's the only you have lived.
>(that doesn't mean that next time I think you're 10000% wrong, I won't
>say so.)
It won't even take that, just the slightest disagreement and there you go
again.
>Bear in mind likewise that-- if you check "bi-polar disorder" on the web,
>I truly don't realize how I come across sometimes.
> I also KNOW I tend to be VERY abrasive.
No, you are not abrasive, your simply an asshole who delights in taking
the opportunity to disrupt the conversations of others, or even better,
indulge in either a pity party or an excessive self-indulgence of flattery
of self.
> In those cases, kindly TRY to remember Jesus' directive, "A soft answer
>turns away the anger and the wrath."
In your case, it had been known to fuel the fire. By the way, all that is
left after the fire has done his ashes, you have no gold to offer & you
not have enough metal to even have a spine.
> Whether you know it or not, whether you're aware of it or not, I have
>more than once left you with the last word when I could have been
>VICIOUS.
> I simply chose to not go down that road.
Nobody knows what you think, nobody knows how you're going to react. What
is known is that it will not be a pretty sight and no matter how you try
to twist it to your own perceived advantage, you're just simply going to
be your normal on the rag nasty self. In spite of all the training you
claim to have received and given, as in the Pentecostal groups, you are as
hollow as a spent 106 mm round, it leaves no residue or hull. Now you
have never seen one in real life, is a recoilless rifle, designed to be a
mobile tank killer.
>God bless!
Which god are you thinking about this time Johnnie, Ha Satan? Given your
conduct & your willingness to lie about and to or about others, it would
be a logical conclusion.
>John W
which wannabe this time Johnnie, the poor peacemaker who so misunderstood
that he must, at least generate the impression that he is serious, beg for
the forgiveness of others and is only willing to accept some of the blame
as long as it's minimal and lip service only?
walksalone who has watched this charade before, the only difference this
time is the name of the new dance partner.
Camels and Christians receive their burdens kneeling.
-- Ambrose Bierce, quoted from James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of
Disbelief
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at 12:43 AM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> decided to try to milk the
subject one more time, now don't anybody pay attention to how many times
he has responded to this thread, or the various ways he's tried to present
itself as being much more than individual he actually is.
From: john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how>
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Subject: Re: To John Weatherly, Falcon, and ujb...
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>On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:26:50 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
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>>"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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snip
>By the way, I MUST apologize for ONE thing more. I didn't react to the
>above in my last post. Understand that
You prefer to milk the subject is many times as you can as long as it
presents you in a good light. Exactly how may times are you going to keep
responding to this particular post without trimming it?
>#1 I have a VERY short attention span. And at the moment, my mind is a
Yet, you can remember perceived insults from 10 years ago.
>million miles away as I pound away finishing a book the publisher is
>waiting for, and which the publisher has agreed to publish. I am as of
Publishers do not blindly and automatically agree to publish anything
until the editors say it is ready. However, that will not stop you from
publishing it at home, or paying some vanity publisher to publish it.
Remainder of self-serving text removed, a.k.a. snip.
which wannabe this time Johnnie, haven't you courted Mike enough?
walksalone who had a spare moment or two and noticed that Johnnie had
failed to meet one of the three requirements that he was given to exclude
me from posting on any post that he had published. Not to mention it was
time to empty the trash.
... the swindle of life and the treachery of a God that can create disease
and misery and crime --
create things that men would be condemned for creating-- that men would be ashamed to create.
-- Mark Twain, quoted in Isabel Lyon's Journal (February 2, 1906), quoted from Barbara Schmidt, ed.,
"Mark Twain Quotations, Newspaper Collections, & Related Resources"
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at 03:10 PM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> donned his cloak of
superiority, the one without the patches, & left the following noise in
his wake.
From: john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how>
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Subject: Re: WHO?
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>On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:58:02 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
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>>
>>"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
>>news:jCjbh.5036$hn.4310@edtnps82...
>>>
>>> "Pete" <> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>> Who would like to spread miracle whip on my huge erect penis? WHO?
>>>
>>> That would be a job for DUKE!!
>>>
>>> Being a catho_lick chances are he has already done it!!
>>>
>>
>>That was uncalled for, BOTH of you.
>If I may try one more time to give you a bit of advice from an "elder",
>Mike...
Now tell the truth, a self appointed elder.
>I would suggest that yuo seriously consider not even responding to such.
Would you suggested he proofread his text, or would you suggest any copies
your mannerisms and errors in spelling.
>If you have heard of "trolls" (those who spam Usenet just looking for a
>reply of SOME Kind), you are likely dealing with a 13 or 14 year old boy
>who thinks he is being cute or funny.
People that like you do in other words? It didn't stop you
>Kindly "don't feed the monster" and it won't grow big and strong and
>UGLY.
It didn't stop you, though it did inhibit your delusions of grandeur.
>When you respond, you simply feed their sick, immature egos.
And Mike should disregard this when he's responding to you, is this
correct?
>john w
which wannabe this time Johnnie? The oh so concerned fatherly scholarly
individual only has the best interest of others at heart in spite of his
posting history indicating otherwise?
walksalone who wonders how long jw will attempt to milk this particular
subject, to include the other individual, in his pretense of being a much
better person than he ever has indicated he has the capacity to be.
Irreverence is another person's disrespect to your god; there isn't any
word that tells what your disrespect to his god is.
-- Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger
walks...@dastardli.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
at 09:26 AM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> decided it was to remind Larry
of what a wonderful friend he had lost, though the majority of USENET
would probably not see it quite that way.
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Subject: Re: To John Weatherly, Falcon, and ujb...
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>On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:08:05 -0500, larr...@adelphia.net wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
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>>On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:26:50 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:33:43 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
snip
>>Mike I am sorry to hear of your problems. I pray that God will get you
>>thru them all.
>>May God bless you and keep you,
>>Larry
>So sad, Larry, "the moderate one" (chuckle), that I have repented to
Now isn't that special, Larry, a basically decent individual, fails to
meet your standards of being sucked up to and therefore becomes a person
to ridicule. Well, according to you at least. But the fact is you have
not repented to anybody, humans apologize to each other and repent to
their gods. Of course, given your tenuous grasp of the English language,
you be not be aware of that, or refuse to believe it in the first place.
You may feel that you deserve repentance from others in spite of the fact
that is reserved for your god's to grant the
>Mike, and Mike has repented to me, and yuo have become an ignorant,
>opinionated, childish, boorish snob like the other pseudo-Christian you
>now emulate, Ms Elaine.
No, he is not ignorant, opinionated, childish, and a boorish snob like
yourself. He's ignorant of a lot of things about this yet he but nowhere
near as much as you are, opinionated, of course he is, he's reached
adulthood. A state you have yet to be graced by. Childish, no, I can't
say as I see him pull and act like yours yet. Boorish, how could you tell
your sister boor yourself.
>I suggest you do some real soul-searching, Larry, and repenting of your
There went every irony meter on the planet, quite possibly throughout the
entire Milky Way galaxy.
>CRAPPY attitude, or when I get to heaven, alas, you may not be there to
>greet me!
If, and that's a very large if, your mythology happens to be correct,
heaven is the one place you will not get to if the requirements are as
stated in your grimorie.
>And you CONTINUE to be a self-righteous (God knows why), arrogant,
>hypocritical wuss.
Nowhere near self-righteous as you pretend to be, and arrogance,
hypocrisy, they think you'd like a well-worn opera cloak.
>There is One Judge, Larry! And His name isn't "Larry."
And you pretend to speak that Judge, but his name is not John D. Weatherly
either. Of course, you may think so but you aren't here about that as
well almost everything you decide to pontificate on.
>john w
snip, and Johnnie has the nerve to complain about the waste of bandwidth,
his bandwidth. The boy do have a serious case of arrogance.
which wannabe this time Johnnie, the one who can judge others even know
he's not in a state to explain to his own gods as to why he would have
that right, or the one who when he speaks and makes his declarations, his
gods take note and under heads in approval?
walksalone who has been very certain as of late that Johnnie has found
somebody to bankroll him, and is willingness to turn his back on Larry who
has always stood up for him at a basic level, even when he thought Johnnie
was wrong, and pretend that Larry is everything that he is. Oh well, they
say that when a man plays up to somebody else for money that he earns
every dollar that he gets.
Adore, v. To venerate expectantly.
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at 09:13 AM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> decided he was not quite done
preening himself, and so commenced to waste more of the audiences time
while he pranced around the stage. He might be more impressive if he was
not wearing a pink Tutu, or maybe not.
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Subject: Re: To John Weatherly, Falcon, and ujb...
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>On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:16:42 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
>may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the author
>>
>>"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
>>news:Senate-0112...@192.168.0.2...
>>> In article <6dNbh.4$hI...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike Dundee"
>>> <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
>>>
>>> Of course you do otherwise you would not have posted that particular
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> You seem to find it hard to comprehend sincere disagreement . . It would
>>> seem that the democratic traditions of your country - even enshrined in
>>> the Bill of Rights and First Amendment are overruled by your religious
>>> belief that you cannort be considered "wrong" or in need of
>>> qualification.. That is a problem!
>>
>>That's not true. I don't mind debate. But it's obvious you hate Christianity
>>and anything associated with it. So why come here? Do you enter churches in
>>your part of the world and shout out your views of Christianity? No, because
>>you would be kicked out or maybe arrested.
>>
>Phar Lap/ Holy Grail / Concorde comes in here because he is a moral
>coward. He knows he could not pitch a hissy fit day after day after day
>in a church, but in here he can drop his drawers and squat, and short of
>filing 10,000 complaints with his provider, there's not much we can do
>but ignore him.
>I think a HUGE part of his issues is that he is an attention whore.
You forgot to mention that you're using copyrighted material, the
copyright holder, is a person who does not particularly hold you in high
esteem you do your deplorable nature. Don't you think you should mention
that she is the original author. You feel free to attempt to make that
demand upon others so why are you exempt from it. Not to mention, you
sure no indications of seriously being able to think, possibly not even to
the degree required to understand why you are such an attention whore
yourself.
>I suggest -- after 6 years of dealing with his hissy-fit temper tantrums,
>we simply put him on "ignore."
We, are you pregnant, or are you accounting to speak for everybody
again/still. You are among the first to complain when somebody uses the
word we an association with derogatory or actual accurate information
about yourself, you you feel free to do the same thing you complained
about. Hypocrite I believe is the word that is associated with that type
of activity. Not to mention, yet had six years to put him in ignore, and
now you get to suggest somebody else does what you have failed to do
yourself. It has often been pointed out to you in this particular
newsgroup that you can simply killfile him, and yet you continue to
respond to him when you see what you perceive to be an advantage even
though it is simply exposing your ignorance and willingness to vilify
others. Once again you show yourself to be a hypocrite.
>As I've said 100 times before you got here, Mike, Phar Lap / Concorde has
>been DEMANDING for 6 YEARS that the "church change" to accommodate his
>extreme anti-Christian views.
He does not demand, but he does point out that his view of what the church
and should be is strongly different than what you assume it should be. Of
course, you only use it for your own personal advantage, but then, nobody
expects much more out of you anymore.
>For example, there was a case awhile back in the US (you may remember)
>where a group of girls and women picketed and then sued the Boy Scouts of
>America to admit females.
Which has nothing to do with an individual point of view, that has to do
with a group of individuals. Of course the difference is missed by people
like you.
>The courts and the media and the Boy Scouts asked these females, "why
>don't you just form a "Girl Scouts of America?"
>"Because we want to join the Boy Scouts!" was the answer.
>The Court wisely said "no."
Under equality and equal access under the law, the court was wrong. But I
agree with their ruling in this particular case. That is assuming there
are really was such a case presented to a court of law in the United
States. It would be too much to anticipate you being able to verify and
support your claim, for you are in the not so great John Weatherly and you
do not have to support your claims. Yet because you're a liar, and cannot
support your claims, there's no reason to assume that this is nothing but
simply another fabrication out of the mind of a very sick individual.
Ethically sick.
>Phar Lap doesn't want to conform to the image of Christ. Phar Lap wants
>the church to conform to him.
The church does not conform to the image of christ, a specially not as
practiced by you. He is not specifically stated what a church must do to
return to the path that the original claimed a founder, your missing
messiah, is supposed to have wanted to start with. He knows more about
that particular history than you ever will. Of course that's not exactly
bragging rights for most people do. So your claim that he wants the
church to conform to him is simply another bald-faced lie.
>Talk about demonic teachings!
You do them all the time.
>If the church began to accommodate Phar Lap's insane demands, the church
>would no longer be a fit place for Christians!
Actually, it's not a fit place for humans right now, yet people like you
find delight and shelter in it. You stay outside of a church and tell
others how they should believe or what a passage means when you do not
even have a clue as to what the passage means. Rather typical of you
actually. But then again, you do not have to know how you use have to be
able to simply quote mine.
>john w
which wannabe this time Johnnie? The one who is in such a hurry to
badmouth somebody else and make himself look good at the same time, it if
he forgets others know about that particular story as well as he does, if
not better. Your inability to read in context and comprehend what you
have read does not stand you in good stead when you get into this variety
of writing. Not that you care of course. snip, no one really expects jw
to take other people into consideration when he thinks he has something to
say.
walksalone who has seen similar performances from Johnnie, and they were
just as full of errors and unappetizing as this particular offering.
"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie becane truth". --
George Orwell, *1984*
ujb
> x-no-archive: yes
> deliberately do not post "polished prose" in here.
I shall tell everyone why for you papa porn, you are not only a stupid
retard, but also a very lazy retard...
sonny
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> "Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
> news:Senate-0112...@192.168.0.2...
> > In article <6dNbh.4$hI...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike Dundee"
> > <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
> >
> > Of course you do otherwise you would not have posted that particular
> > opinion.
> >
> > You seem to find it hard to comprehend sincere disagreement . . It would
> > seem that the democratic traditions of your country - even enshrined in
> > the Bill of Rights and First Amendment are overruled by your religious
> > belief that you cannort be considered "wrong" or in need of
> > qualification.. That is a problem!
>
> That's not true. I don't mind debate. But it's obvious you hate Christianity
> and anything associated with it.
Nice try again but crap again
Mate as far as the spectrum of Christianity is concern and indeed of Judeo
Christianity, I live in a family spectrum so wide that such an attitude
would not be possible. My father's side of the family - at the beginning
of the last century were Plymouth Brethren from North European Huegenot
stock. My mothers family were Irish Roman Catholics. My parents chosen
church in the late twenties and early thirties came to be the Baptists and
they were married in the same church they were baptised in, and remained
with it, until they died
My family has a total of over 100man years of service to the Baptists
In addition in my wife's family are distant relations who are practising
Jews. We know them and sometime socialise with them. I also worked for a
number of Jewish family businesses and knew the families back in the UK.
Nice people. My wife attended a Quaker School. One gentile member of my
family proudly has a commendation from the Wiesenthal Foundation for work
against racism
I have had associations with churches of the following additional
denominations - all including attendance - Presbytarian, Strict Baptist,
Methodist, Anglican, Church of England,
So don't you dare accuse me of "hating Christians". Mike, that is another
fucking lie from you and I am as fed up with this crap from you as I am in
receiving it from the mentally sick JW. If you are too limited to discuss
a wider spectrum of Christianity than your present narrow definition it is
you that are sick, blinkered and hateful not me.
I have witnessed on this so called Christian line the most appalling and
disgusting defamation by Christian against Christian let alone against
other people with different views. Very few here on the supposedly
Christian side of the fence evidence that that same fence is "correctly
placed"
Anyway that at least deals with your crappy apology - it was as phoney as
a three buck note.
So why come here? Do you enter churches in
> your part of the world and shout out your views of Christianity? No, because
> you would be kicked out or maybe arrested.
> >>
> >> I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is what
> >> we
> >> consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
> >
> > No, you do not understand me there and I suggest you look into what I mean
> > by my deliberate use of the word OTHER
>
> For Christians, people are either saved or unsaved. For me, "other" refers
> to the unsaved.
I could not have expressed the filthy racism of your soul better myself.
I guess some of you really haven't got over being brought up in a former
slave state
Anyway I think I know you a lot better. You extended an apology in the
same way as Weatherly. It received a positive response
And then you turned it into another bloody lie
Mike - I am disgusted with you
End of story
You - a "Christian"
Kiss my butt!
+++++++++++
Incitatus
<ya...@elephantineis.eg> wrote:
Absolutely
Even by defining "the other" as those who are not by his sick definition
"saved" Mike carries his racism into society.
It is this hatred of the other that motivates those other - remarkably
similar - loonies in Islam to launch their terrorist attacks
Christians need to learn to behave in a more Jesus-like fashion instead of
dragging the world into their Pauline pit of prejudice and stupidity
What is the connection between modern Christianity and Jesus of Nazareth?
I find it increasingly hard to uncover one
But the connection between Christianity and political Fascism
That is easy to find
Anyway so much for "Christian apologies"
Maybe for one example Christians could stop their interference with decent
society by calling their rabid defecating dogs off our Public Education
system.
They could do us the courtesy of excluding Fundamentalism and Creationism
from the "Christian" fold and place it correctly in the Fascist fold of
those our forefathers fought so hard against in the forties of the last
century
At least in that they would Honor their Fathers and Mothers
LEST WE FORGET
++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
real life?
>
> Ok, and if a Christian does something to you in "real life" you deal with it
> then. You aren't going to change a thing here.
> What good does it do to yell at people for having ideas when you won't ever
> meet these people in real life and thus you will never be affected?
Thought you said you were "open to discussion"
Sound more like you are at heart a Fascist hyena
Why don't you pull the plug on the internet, crawl back in your church and
pretend the world outside doesn't exist?
Truly Mike
We'll leave you there!
But you come out into the real world and enter public forums - you are
going to hear stuff you apparently can't cope with
Hey what about another one of your apologies - a real one this time?
We might even accept it
And we are due one anyway
+++++++++++++++
Incitatus
LIBEL
JOHN WEATHERLY
In article <lco0n2llkh5dgn8q7...@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:16:42 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <no...@nunya.com>
> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
> >
> >"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
> >news:Senate-0112...@192.168.0.2...
> >> In article <6dNbh.4$hI...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike Dundee"
> >> <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> You believe there is a big "but" to what I am saying. I disagree.
> >>
> >> Of course you do otherwise you would not have posted that particular
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >> You seem to find it hard to comprehend sincere disagreement . . It would
> >> seem that the democratic traditions of your country - even enshrined in
> >> the Bill of Rights and First Amendment are overruled by your religious
> >> belief that you cannort be considered "wrong" or in need of
> >> qualification.. That is a problem!
> >
> >That's not true. I don't mind debate. But it's obvious you hate Christianity
> >and anything associated with it. So why come here? Do you enter churches in
> >your part of the world and shout out your views of Christianity? No, because
> >you would be kicked out or maybe arrested.
> >
>
> Phar Lap/ Holy Grail / Concorde comes in here because he is a moral
> coward. He knows he could not pitch a hissy fit day after day after
> day in a church, but in here he can drop his drawers and squat, and
> short of filing 10,000 complaints with his provider, there's not much
> we can do but ignore him.
>
> I think a HUGE part of his issues is that he is an attention whore.
>
> I suggest -- after 6 years of dealing with his hissy-fit temper
> tantrums, we simply put him on "ignore."
>
> As I've said 100 times before you got here, Mike, Phar Lap / Concorde
> has been DEMANDING for 6 YEARS that the "church change" to accommodate
> his extreme anti-Christian views.
>
> For example, there was a case awhile back in the US (you may remember)
> where a group of girls and women picketed and then sued the Boy Scouts
> of America to admit females.
>
> The courts and the media and the Boy Scouts asked these females, "why
> don't you just form a "Girl Scouts of America?"
>
> "Because we want to join the Boy Scouts!" was the answer.
>
> The Court wisely said "no."
>
> Phar Lap doesn't want to conform to the image of Christ. Phar Lap
> wants the church to conform to him.
>
> Talk about demonic teachings!
>
> If the church began to accommodate Phar Lap's insane demands, the
> church would no longer be a fit place for Christians!
>
>
> john w
>
> john w
>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > You see what you are seeking - in my understanding - has been tried on
> >>> > this group many times by many people. Nearly everyone comes to this
> >>> > group
> >>> > intending a degree of reconciliation - often with people they have
> >>> > disagreed with on a spiritual or intellectual level for the whole of
> >>> > their
> >>> > lives
> >>> >
> >>> > The problem is - it doesn't work. and it doesn't work because the
> >>> > underlying theology to the behaviour of the Christians here is
> >>> > appallingly
> >>> > at fault becuase built into it is a deep seated and almost racist
> >>> > hatred
> >>> > of what it categorises as the OTHER. And that is what emerges in
> >>> > discussion after discussion, this pattern of Christian cultural RACISM
> >>> > and apartheid.
> >>>
> >>> I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is what
> >>> we
> >>> consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
> >>
> >> No, you do not understand me there and I suggest you look into what I mean
> >> by my deliberate use of the word OTHER
> >
> >For Christians, people are either saved or unsaved. For me, "other" refers
> >to the unsaved.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> > Reconciliation to the Christians here mostly means succumbing to an
> >>> > entire
> >>> > pattern of dogma, doctrine and tyranny that many rational people find
> >>> > repugnant in the extreme - worse still it means stepping back from a
> >>> > level
> >>> > of maturity reached over an entire lifespan to regain a juvenile
> >>> > intellectual and spiritual state. Hell man, they even call it "Born
> >>> > Again"- bugger that! Many of us CANNOT do this. We have seen behind
> >>> > the
> >>> > veil and know that what we once may have seen, what fundamentalists and
> >>> > most Christians here still regard as the "true picture," is nothing
> >>> > more
> >>> > than a barrier to the perception of what is really there.
> >>>
> >>> The simple response to your answer is this...Don't come here. You don't
> >>> like
> >>> Christians. Fine, I accept that. If you hate us so much, stay away. Why
> >>> come
> >>> here and allow your blood pressure to go up over people you don't like?
> >>> Because in this forum you can. All you want to do is be a pain in the
> >>> neck
> >>> to a group of people you hate, and on usenet you can do that.
> >>
> >> Easy answer on your part which avoids thinking .. Maybe I am here to MAKE
> >> you think. Maybe even I don't know that, If you ARE a believer then you
> >> had at least better believe I am here through God's will
> >
> >ummmmmm I can't help myself here...
> >
> >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
> >
Incitatus
In article <nkr2n2tm8i933akjs...@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2006 10:59:57 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
> author
> >john w wrote:
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >> On 1 Dec 2006 04:59:53 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
> Johnny boy, you have been a hard-core asshole for so long, why on
> EARTH would you change now?
>
> "Once an asshole, always an asshole!
>
> ;-)
>
> >
> >JohnH
> >>
> >> john w
Incitatus
I appreciated it
> > Š 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
Nice language. You demonstrate your views on a daily basis here. There's
never any kindness in your posts. "By their fruits..."
> from you and I am as fed up with this crap from you as I am in
> receiving it from the mentally sick JW.
You deserve everything you get from Weatherly. You are relentless when it
comes to him and keep telling us what lousy Christians we are for not doing
something about him. You know nothing about American laws. If the laws
allowed regular, every day folks to get people locked up in psych wards,
everyone would be trying to get at least one person locked up because they
dislike them.
> If you are too limited to discuss
> a wider spectrum of Christianity than your present narrow definition it is
> you that are sick, blinkered and hateful not me.
I follow the Bible. There is no wide spectrum for salvation. Being a
Christian means being saved, and Jesus was crystal clear what we are to do
to be saved.
>
> I have witnessed on this so called Christian line the most appalling and
> disgusting defamation by Christian against Christian let alone against
> other people with different views. Very few here on the supposedly
> Christian side of the fence evidence that that same fence is "correctly
> placed"
>
> Anyway that at least deals with your crappy apology - it was as phoney as
> a three buck note.
Nice speech.
Problem for you is, you have not shown an ounce of Christianity in any post
I have ever seen.
>
>
> So why come here? Do you enter churches in
>> your part of the world and shout out your views of Christianity? No,
>> because
>> you would be kicked out or maybe arrested.
I notice you skipped that.
>
>> >>
>> >> I can only assume when you say the "OTHER", that you believe it is
>> >> what
>> >> we
>> >> consider the unsaved? Am I correct?
>> >
>> > No, you do not understand me there and I suggest you look into what I
>> > mean
>> > by my deliberate use of the word OTHER
>>
>> For Christians, people are either saved or unsaved. For me, "other"
>> refers
>> to the unsaved.
>
> I could not have expressed the filthy racism of your soul better myself.
>
> I guess some of you really haven't got over being brought up in a former
> slave state
You equate saved vs unsaved with racism? Do you know the Bible at all?
Matthew 7:
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the
way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto
life, and few there be that find it.
Those were the words of Christ. "and few there be that find it"
Was Jesus a racist? He was clearly saying there would be very few saved
people. And what must we do to be saved?
Mark 16:
15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature.
16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned.
I am a believer who recognises the fact that there are many unsaved out
there who believe they are saved. I have heard some that don't believe in a
literal hell. I remember vividly a conversation with one such person...
She said "God is a loving God. He would never send someone to a place like
hell, and we must be good people, as good as we can be."
That belief is shared by many who unfortunately will be quite shocked when
the reach eternity.
>
> Anyway I think I know you a lot better. You extended an apology in the
> same way as Weatherly. It received a positive response
>
> And then you turned it into another bloody lie
>
> Mike - I am disgusted with you
>
> End of story
>
> You - a "Christian"
>
> Kiss my butt!
Mark off a spot so I can tell where.
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
Nice. Comparing Christians with Islam extremists who believe they go to
heaven and get 70 virgins when they kill Christians on a suicide run. How
does that add up?
>
> Christians need to learn to behave in a more Jesus-like fashion instead of
> dragging the world into their Pauline pit of prejudice and stupidity
>
> What is the connection between modern Christianity and Jesus of Nazareth?
>
> I find it increasingly hard to uncover one
>
> But the connection between Christianity and political Fascism
>
> That is easy to find
>
> Anyway so much for "Christian apologies"
>
> Maybe for one example Christians could stop their interference with decent
> society by calling their rabid defecating dogs off our Public Education
> system.
Yeah we kicked God out of schools starting in the late 60's and look at how
our country is today. It's becoming a cesspool.
>
> They could do us the courtesy of excluding Fundamentalism and Creationism
> from the "Christian" fold and place it correctly in the Fascist fold of
> those our forefathers fought so hard against in the forties of the last
> century
>
> At least in that they would Honor their Fathers and Mothers
>
> LEST WE FORGET
Clueless.
Mike Dundee
"Incitatus" <Sen...@Rome.com> wrote in message
news:Senate-0312...@192.168.0.2...
> <no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>
> real life?
>>
>> Ok, and if a Christian does something to you in "real life" you deal with
>> it
>> then. You aren't going to change a thing here.
>> What good does it do to yell at people for having ideas when you won't
>> ever
>> meet these people in real life and thus you will never be affected?
>
> Thought you said you were "open to discussion"
I am. It;s you who spits venom in every post which is something you could
not get away with in any church, so you do it here. You don't discuss.
>
> Sound more like you are at heart a Fascist hyena
>
> Why don't you pull the plug on the internet, crawl back in your church and
> pretend the world outside doesn't exist?
>
> Truly Mike
>
> We'll leave you there!
>
> But you come out into the real world and enter public forums - you are
> going to hear stuff you apparently can't cope with
I can cope with anything. But this is far from the real world, because if it
was, you would take your views and walk into a church and start yelling like
you do here. You don't, do you?
>
> Hey what about another one of your apologies - a real one this time?
>
> We might even accept it
>
> And we are due one anyway
I apologized to those that I wronged.
JohnH
> x-no-archive: yes
> deliberately do not post "polished prose" in here.
>
> I have typed is readable and understandable.
>
> Your hyperbole indicates that I have made myself understood.
>
Nah, I merely caught you being a sloppy writer again, and now you're
just making up excuses...again. Want I should proofread your new book
for you? [After all, it's pretty obvious that you can't.]
>
>
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >John, are you trying to flirt with me, again?
>
>
> I certainly am. You are just as cute a girl as they come!
>
So, you're into cute girls now, huh? You've heard that 16 will get you
20-40, right? Do all the parents in your building and neighborhood
know?
>
> -
> You flatter yourself.
>
> I will ask you --again-- if you seriously believe that Jesus is happy
> with your behavior the very moment you typed this.
>
Likewise, was Jesus happy with your behavior the very moment you called
me an "asshole?"
>
> Because I don't believe He was.
>
Likewise, I'm sure, with your "asshole" comment.
>
> Sadly, Christianity is a belief system in which one is REQUIRED to
> FREQUENTLY look inside.
>
How would you know, and what in the world were you looking inside when
you called me an "asshole?" Aside from the gutter and sewer, that is.
>
> And that is something YOU just refuse to do, by your own admission.
>
Be novel. Try to prove this for once in your life.
>
> "Physician heal yourself."
>
Pot-kettle.
>
> "Remove the ranch house from YOUR eye first."
>
Pole-eye.
>
> You simply cannot attack me, JohnH, until you are PERFECT yourself.
> And we both (you and I) know that you are FAR from perfect.
>
Pot-kettle-black & pole-eye, John, pot-kettle-black & pole-eye.
>
> Don't we?
>
Now, who would this "we" be? You and me? [Well, you should know
better than that, now shouldn't you?] Perhaps, that there are scores
and scores of others in your corner now? LOL! [Now, I know that you
certainly know better than that!]
>
> ;-)
>
Have you asked your therapist if he thinks that you have a nervous
tick, too?
JohnH
>
> john w
>
> snip
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> I apologized to those I felt I wronged. It was sincere.
I don't think you know the meaning of that word
I suggest you discuss it with a priest
NOs...@no.spam
>
>One would think after 6 YEARS you'd know what to expect, and you'd
>just stop reading my posts!
too bad, weatherly -- YOU could also stop reading mine, so can the
garbage and toss it to the curb.
Act like an idiot, then expect to be TREATED as one.
JohnH
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> It's too bad that-- rather than using your minute to attempt to
> communicate seriously-- man to man/ Christian to Christian, you have
> chosen instead to squander your minute in a vain attempt at being a
> smart-ass. You are merely AGAIN being a dumbass.
>
> Maybe next year, when you again have a 2-day change of attitude "for
> the New Year."
>
> maybe not.
>
Thanks for another demonstration that you can't ever face your own
hyprocisy, your own pot-kettles, and your own pole-eyes.
But you know what, they'll always be here anyway, for whenever you are
ready to face them, because I don't non-archive, unlike you,
O-Ashamed-of-What-You-Post-One.
No one, in their right mind, would ever steal what you write here
because, frankly, your stuff just ain't that good (and this more than
just in one way, too.)
JohnH
>
> john w
JohnH
> x-no-archive: yes
> speaking of "pot-kettles"...
>
Yes, John? What would you like to say about your pot-kettles now?
That you've been humbled from the more loftier heights? Yes? Well,
good for you! No? Figures.
walks...@dastardly.raht.dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
at 02:33 PM, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> verified beyond reasonable
doubt that he does not mind pretending to be much more than he is, and
yet, his posting gives the lie to his claim to have been a professional
technical writer of great standing.
From: john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how>
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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:33:33 -0800
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>On 2 Dec 2006 05:11:22 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this article
>may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the author
>>
>>john w wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On 1 Dec 2006 10:59:57 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>> >john w wrote:
>>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>>> >> On 1 Dec 2006 04:59:53 -0800, "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
>>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> >> author
>>> >> >Mike Dundee wrote:
>>> >> >> "JohnH" <johnhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:1164909482....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
snip
>>> >"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own
>>> >selves" (James 1:22).
>>> >
>>> >Ah, a sorta, kinda quote from the venerable King James Version, huh?
>>> >Well, thanks for resetting the precedent. I might start using it
>>> >exclusively all-over-again. And, to think, I have you to thank. :-)
>>>
>>> Johnny boy, you have been a hard-core asshole for so long, why on
>>> EARTH would you change now?
>>>
>>> "Once an asshole, always an asshole!
>>>
>>"For though by this time you ought to be a journalist or professional
>>writer, you need someone to teach you again the rudimentary principles
>>of writing; and you have come to need milk and not solid food" (Heb.
>>5:12, more or less).
>>
>>Think of your quotation in terms of HyperText Markup Language (HTML).
>>If you begin a statement with a quotation mark, then you also have to
>>close it off with one, too; otherwise, it just won't work, son.
>For the benefit of you retards, I will repeat yet again, I very
>deliberately do not post "polished prose" in here.
Because you can't, at least not with regularity. But you can pretend on
rare occasion that you are capable of polished prose. You do when you
make about a five-day effort for one post when you want to impress
somebody.
>I typically don't even correct my typos, beyond making sure that what I
>have typed is readable and understandable.
And you failed totally, any series of letters can be read, but your claims
for knowledge as well as writing skills are not understandable by the fact
that you displayed in.
>Your hyperbole indicates that I have made myself understood.
No, it means that you have failed to communicate again. For a person who
supposedly was a technical writer of great standing in high demand and yet
ended up being jobless right after his divorce, you displayed no skills
that would be inherent to such a person. You do display the skills
inherent in the person who would make a claim to have been an individual
of that caliber and was not.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>John, are you trying to flirt with me, again?
>Yes.
>I certainly am. You are just as cute a girl as they come!
Well, it appears your childhood fantasies have come true. You're no
longer able to distinguish between male and female.
>You flatter yourself.
No it doesn't, your lack of knowledge about what that particular smiley
means is not the other person's fault.
>I will ask you --again-- if you seriously believe that Jesus is happy
>with your behavior the very moment you typed this.
Jesus who, I know a gardener by that name? for did you mean an actual
historical Jesus.
>Because I don't believe He was.
If it was the dead man in your grimorie, dead people don't care one way or
the other.
>Sadly, Christianity is a belief system in which one is REQUIRED to
>FREQUENTLY look inside.
A feature that you apparently are exempt from.
>And that is something YOU just refuse to do, by your own admission.
When did he do that, where is that message ID, or is it simply your
mistranslation of something he has written the past?
>"Physician heal yourself."
Would that you could, maybe, just maybe you would know peace at last.
>"Remove the ranch house from YOUR eye first."
As compared to the condo in yours?
>You simply cannot attack me, JohnH, until you are PERFECT yourself. And
>we both (you and I) know that you are FAR from perfect.
He has yet to attack you, and he has yet to pretend that he's anything
near-perfect. Of course, you don't understand that.
>Don't we?
Most of us understand you don't know what you're talking about, it is not
exactly a news bulletin.
>;-)
& there you go trying to flirt with a man again, just who was it that
initiated the so-called sexual abuse you had tolerated for a part in five
years anyway? It's beginning to look like it was you.
>john w
>snip
About time, you didn't have anything to say to start with..
which wannabe this time Johnnie, the genuine pathetic poser who pretends
that he is the real thing when it comes to xianity, or reasonable
facsimile thereof?
walksalone who can count on Johnnie to add humor to the day when he makes
his pretensions to being a good xian accounting to correct another xian
who's not as good xian as he is. I'm not even xian, and I would qualify
to be a good xian compared to Johnnie, as would Pol Pot and other various
not nice people known to history.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into
you. -Friedrich Nietzsche, philosopher (1844-1900)
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
>
> I am. It;s you who spits venom in every post which is something you could
> not get away with in any church, so you do it here. You don't discuss.
>
I take it that after the sermon in your church the preacher immediately
opens up a forum for discussion within the Church service?
I think not
In Church services to my experience the preacher talks a pile of shit
knowing no-one can answer back on pain of congregation disapproval and the
fires of hell awaiting
What a really shitty and fraudulent "religion"!
Dear oh dear oh dear
Seems to me people go to church to avoid learning and to feel safe in
their ignorance and prejudice
Jesus himself however didn't found a church
He worked within existing forums
and he DISCUSSED with "tax collectors , publicans and sins
And had very little time for the religious elite of his day (It's in the
Bible Mike)
So thats two things I copy from him!
Better to gain some enlightenment in a pub
Than nothing in a Church
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Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> Nice. Comparing Christians with Islam extremists who believe they go to
> heaven and get 70 virgins when they kill Christians on a suicide run. How
> does that add up?
The black slaves of the nineteenth century in America and the preceeding
centuries saw the rising Fundamentalist Christianity as it really was -
brutal and racist, The slave ship captains threw the sick and dying
overboard, on the voyage to the americas. Sometimes the crew unchained
the younger women to rape them on the ship's deck. Fundamentalism has a
sick history rooted in the decline of the British Slave empire. Didn't
you know. Even then it was a superstitious bastion against the rise of a
progressive Christian social democracy. It still is
To an innocent victim of "shock and awe" in Iraq - just as in the case of
the innocent caught in the crossfire in Vietnam a generation ago , it is
very difficult to judge a bullet on the basis of who fired it or a bomb on
the basis of who dropped it
They all go bang and the victims aaarrghh!
Incitatus
<no...@nunya.com> wrote:
> Yeah we kicked God out of schools starting in the late 60's and look at how
> our country is today. It's becoming a cesspool.
>
I think the blacks in America already knew that it was a cesspool way back
then. You are just a bit slow catching up:
łYou and I have never seen democracy; all weąve seen is hypocrisy. When we
open our eyes today and look around America, we see America not through
the eyes of someone who has enjoyed the fruits of Americanism, we see
America through the eyes of someone who has been the victim of
Americanism. We donąt see any American dream; weąve experienced only the
American nightmare. We havenąt benefited from Americaąs democracy; weąve
only suffered from Americaąs hypocrisy.˛
łSo weąre trapped, trapped, double-trapped, triple-trapped. Anywhere we go
we find that weąre trapped. And every kind of solution that someone comes
up with is just another trap.˛
(Malcolm X)
+++++++++++++++++++++++
"So the travesty of Katrina is the travesty of our existence in the United
States since the critical masses of us were brought now into the 21st
century. In a time when we think that weąve arrived, there is Katrina;
when we think that weąre in control, there is Katrina; at a time when we
seemingly have more--more money, better jobs, bigger homes, there is
Katrina; at a time when weąre more łeducated,˛ thereąs Katrina; when we
think that weąre free and living in a democracy, there is the hypocrisy of
Katrina. James Baldwin once said, łHistory is a nightmare. People are
trapped in history and history is trapped in them.˛ Someone said, (I
think it was Derrick Bell) łBlack people [seemingly] have learned little
to nothing from their history.˛ It seems that we continue to be łtrapped,
trapped, double-trapped, triple-trapped.˛
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Incitatus
<johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
>
> So you have "rubbed shoulders" with all the above, and all the below,
> and yet you remain demon possessed.
>
> How exactly does that happen?
>
> john w
It is very easy to explain why you see demons in people John
You have Schizophrenia and refuse to seek proper treatment.
So you try to pretend msanifestations of your disease are in fact merely
manifestations of your "spiritual gifts" and "special mission" - guided as
you explained to us in previous post - by the "voice of the Holy Spirit"
that you "hear"
We all know that
Incitatus
>
> walksalone who can count on Johnnie to add humor to the day when he makes
> his pretensions to being a good xian accounting to correct another xian
> who's not as good xian as he is. I'm not even xian, and I would qualify
> to be a good xian compared to Johnnie, as would Pol Pot and other various
> not nice people known to history.
chuckle!
I actually find it quite upsetting how unchristian the "christians' here
generally are. But that is because I was brought up as a christian and
whilst I may not now be one I do know what they are meant to be.
I left because I found those that were christians were generally not
christian and that offended the christian in me. I found people were
generally more christian who weren't christians so once out of the church
I stayed out amongst the behaviourally (if not believing) christian.
So when I come across someone like jw who says he is a christian but
clearly isn't one the remaining christian in me is again upset
(And the rest of me rolls about on the floor laughing.)
dear oh dear oh dear
Christians really don't believe in very much these days - so little faith
- its paucity evidenced by their deeds.
Very badly behaved people for the most part - and their churches don't
even pay proper taxes!
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