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The Doctor
Aug 19, 2022, 12:31:58 AM8/19/22
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In article <tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
>Why is that?
>
Exactly!!
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
>Why is that?
>
Exactly!!
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Michael McLean
Aug 19, 2022, 4:53:15 AM8/19/22
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On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
> Why is that?
Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
> Why is that?
Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
correct Him! :-).
Michael McLean
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P+Barker
Aug 19, 2022, 8:38:19 AM8/19/22
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
wrote:
>There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
>Why is that?
They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>
>Why is that?
when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 19, 2022, 5:29:37 PM8/19/22
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Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>them.
Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
the Roman empire?
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pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>them.
Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
the Roman empire?
--
pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.
P+Barker
Aug 19, 2022, 5:35:33 PM8/19/22
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>
>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>
>And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>them.
DUHHHH!!!!!
>them.
Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
OK then.
What does He know about you?
Would you like to share with the whole class?
pyotr filipivich
Aug 19, 2022, 5:51:42 PM8/19/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700
statements" are obviously unbiblical. (Is funny, a previous poster
said the Creed was full of errors and imports from paganism. When
pressed on the issue, it finally came out that he objected to the
phrase "one baptism for the remission of sin" because that he
disagreed with. as the saying goes "It is not _your_ creed, it is The
Church's creed.")
Anyway, as has been pointed out before, it is obvious from the New
Testament, that the New Testament did all it's growing despite not
having a New Testament to refer to.
But no mater. Now, where did I put that post .... ah yes
"Boilerplate:"
The entire creed has only references to scripture. Here it is
with references inserted in each phrase of it:
I believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
One God (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible; (Colossians 1: 15-16)
and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
only-begotten Son of God (Matthew 14: 33; 16: 16 / (John 1: 18; 3:
16)
begotten of the Father before all ages; (John 1: 2)
Light of Light (Psalm 27: I; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
true God of true God, (John 17: 1-5)
of one essence with the Father, (John 10: 30)
through Whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us and for our salvation (I Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from the heavens ((John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
Crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; I Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 1: 14)
He suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried; (Luke 23: 53; I Corinthians 15: 4)
Rising on the third day according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1;
1 Cor15: 4)
And ascending into the heavens, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
He is seated at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19;
Acts 7:55)
And coming again in glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and dead, (Acts 10: 42; 2 I Timothy 4: 1)
His kingdom shall have no end; (2 Peter 1: 11)
And in the holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord (Acts 5: 3-4)
the Giver of life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father, (John 15: 26)
Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and
glorified, (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets; (I Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5, 13)
In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (I Peter 2: 5, 9)
catholic (Mark 16: 15)
and apostolic Church; (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; (Ephesians 4:5)
I expect the resurrection of the dead; (John 11: 24; I Cor. 15:12-49)
And the life of the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)
Amen. (Psalm 106:48)
Of course there was no formal "creed" - aside from the Diadache,
the various letters of the early church, the teachings of the Apostles
faithfully taught to faithful men, that they would faithfully teach
others.
>
>Why is that?
The short form: there was unity of teaching, practice, and belief
in The Church.
The Nicene Creed was written to "canonize the obvious". This is
the True Faith, this is what faithful men have taught since the time
of the apostles. Specifically »one Lord Jesus Christ, the
only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one
essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made.«
Why was that thought so important?
Because someone influential was teaching something quite
different, namely that Jesus was not co-eternal wit the Father, but
was a created being. The cynical answer is that Constantine called
the council because he was discovering that there was conflict in the
Church he was hoping would unify the Empire. Regardless of why, the
Emperor provided transportation for bishops from "all over the world"
to come and settle this issue. And they _found_ that the consensus of
what they were teaching could be expressed in what is called the
Symbol of The Faith. (It is known as "the Creed" from the first words
in Latin "Credo" - I believe.)
But all that is probably more information than "Dr Who" can
handle.
typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
Yowza! Yet another boldfaced assertion about how "mission
>There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
statements" are obviously unbiblical. (Is funny, a previous poster
said the Creed was full of errors and imports from paganism. When
pressed on the issue, it finally came out that he objected to the
phrase "one baptism for the remission of sin" because that he
disagreed with. as the saying goes "It is not _your_ creed, it is The
Church's creed.")
Anyway, as has been pointed out before, it is obvious from the New
Testament, that the New Testament did all it's growing despite not
having a New Testament to refer to.
But no mater. Now, where did I put that post .... ah yes
"Boilerplate:"
The entire creed has only references to scripture. Here it is
with references inserted in each phrase of it:
I believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
One God (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible; (Colossians 1: 15-16)
and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
only-begotten Son of God (Matthew 14: 33; 16: 16 / (John 1: 18; 3:
16)
begotten of the Father before all ages; (John 1: 2)
Light of Light (Psalm 27: I; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
true God of true God, (John 17: 1-5)
of one essence with the Father, (John 10: 30)
through Whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us and for our salvation (I Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from the heavens ((John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
Crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; I Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 1: 14)
He suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried; (Luke 23: 53; I Corinthians 15: 4)
Rising on the third day according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1;
1 Cor15: 4)
And ascending into the heavens, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
He is seated at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19;
Acts 7:55)
And coming again in glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and dead, (Acts 10: 42; 2 I Timothy 4: 1)
His kingdom shall have no end; (2 Peter 1: 11)
And in the holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord (Acts 5: 3-4)
the Giver of life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father, (John 15: 26)
Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and
glorified, (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets; (I Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5, 13)
In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (I Peter 2: 5, 9)
catholic (Mark 16: 15)
and apostolic Church; (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; (Ephesians 4:5)
I expect the resurrection of the dead; (John 11: 24; I Cor. 15:12-49)
And the life of the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)
Amen. (Psalm 106:48)
Of course there was no formal "creed" - aside from the Diadache,
the various letters of the early church, the teachings of the Apostles
faithfully taught to faithful men, that they would faithfully teach
others.
>
>Why is that?
The short form: there was unity of teaching, practice, and belief
in The Church.
The Nicene Creed was written to "canonize the obvious". This is
the True Faith, this is what faithful men have taught since the time
of the apostles. Specifically »one Lord Jesus Christ, the
only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one
essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made.«
Why was that thought so important?
Because someone influential was teaching something quite
different, namely that Jesus was not co-eternal wit the Father, but
was a created being. The cynical answer is that Constantine called
the council because he was discovering that there was conflict in the
Church he was hoping would unify the Empire. Regardless of why, the
Emperor provided transportation for bishops from "all over the world"
to come and settle this issue. And they _found_ that the consensus of
what they were teaching could be expressed in what is called the
Symbol of The Faith. (It is known as "the Creed" from the first words
in Latin "Credo" - I believe.)
But all that is probably more information than "Dr Who" can
handle.
Dr. Who
Aug 19, 2022, 7:17:18 PM8/19/22
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On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<p200ghhbb0qtbkh48...@4ax.com>):
> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > > >
> > > > Why is that?
> > >
> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
> >
> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
> > them.
>
> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
> the Roman empire?
You who proclaim Constantine a saint and an Apostle second to no apostles,
You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
(in article<p200ghhbb0qtbkh48...@4ax.com>):
> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > > >
> > > > Why is that?
> > >
> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
> >
> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
> > them.
>
> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
> the Roman empire?
You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
P+Barker
Aug 20, 2022, 7:49:13 AM8/20/22
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:17:16 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
>On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>(in article<p200ghhbb0qtbkh48...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>> > > >
>> > > > Why is that?
>> > >
>> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>> >
>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>> > them.
>>
>> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
>> the Roman empire?
>
>You who proclaim Constantine a saint and an Apostle second to no apostles,
>You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
Catholics have not proclaimed Constantine a saint.
>On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>(in article<p200ghhbb0qtbkh48...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>> > > >
>> > > > Why is that?
>> > >
>> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>> >
>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>> > them.
>>
>> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
>> the Roman empire?
>
>You who proclaim Constantine a saint and an Apostle second to no apostles,
>You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
P+Barker
Aug 20, 2022, 7:50:04 AM8/20/22
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>(in article<4e00gh52d43a2cvhq...@4ax.com>):
>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
pyotr filipivich
Aug 20, 2022, 12:44:01 PM8/20/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:17:16 -0700
typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
Sigh, another attempt to divert the discussion from the question
asked. I know it is complicated and requires some "thinking outside
the box" of late free format Protestantism, but it can be done.
But no matter, "Dr Who" has his mind firmly made up, that all
others have it wrong and so he need not attend to what they actually
say.
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For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."
typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
asked. I know it is complicated and requires some "thinking outside
the box" of late free format Protestantism, but it can be done.
But no matter, "Dr Who" has his mind firmly made up, that all
others have it wrong and so he need not attend to what they actually
say.
--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."
Dr. Who
Aug 20, 2022, 1:52:02 PM8/20/22
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On Aug 20, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<3l32ghlihg7t4i5j2...@4ax.com>):
I just recently posted here in ACC the orthodox article that said he was a
saint, etc. It was posted from your home group as one of their fables. I
noticed that you just chose to ignore the fables I posted which is fully part
of your traditions of men.
You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
killing of heretics.
(in article<3l32ghlihg7t4i5j2...@4ax.com>):
saint, etc. It was posted from your home group as one of their fables. I
noticed that you just chose to ignore the fables I posted which is fully part
of your traditions of men.
You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
killing of heretics.
P+Barker
Aug 20, 2022, 2:10:54 PM8/20/22
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:52:00 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
Only those who needed killing.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 20, 2022, 6:06:49 PM8/20/22
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Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022
18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
men" had to say?
What I also find amusing are the number of Protestants who follow
the basic pattern of the "primitive" church, albeit with different
emphasis on what's important.
18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
>Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>
>Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>correct Him! :-).
Ah,
>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
>Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>
>Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>correct Him! :-).
So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
men" had to say?
What I also find amusing are the number of Protestants who follow
the basic pattern of the "primitive" church, albeit with different
emphasis on what's important.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 20, 2022, 6:16:27 PM8/20/22
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P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 07:49:11 -0400 typed
in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
before the schism. The Romans may not have him in the Calendar
anymore, but so what?
Protestants don't have any saints. No cloud of witnesses, no
examples of those who fought the good fight and ran the race before
them. Does relieve them of a lot of pressure when it comes to leading
a godly life, eh no?
in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:17:16 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
>wrote:
>>On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>wrote:
>>On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>>> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700 typed in
>>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Why is that?
>>> > >
>>> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>>> >
>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>> > them.
>>>
>>> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
>>> the Roman empire?
>>
>>You who proclaim Constantine a saint and an Apostle second to no apostles,
>>You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
>
>Catholics have not proclaimed Constantine a saint.
Constantine, for better or worse, was proclaimed a saint long
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Why is that?
>>> > >
>>> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>>> >
>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>> > them.
>>>
>>> Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
>>> the Roman empire?
>>
>>You who proclaim Constantine a saint and an Apostle second to no apostles,
>>You tell me as it is not found in scripture.
>
>Catholics have not proclaimed Constantine a saint.
before the schism. The Romans may not have him in the Calendar
anymore, but so what?
Protestants don't have any saints. No cloud of witnesses, no
examples of those who fought the good fight and ran the race before
them. Does relieve them of a lot of pressure when it comes to leading
a godly life, eh no?
Dr. Who
Aug 20, 2022, 7:47:20 PM8/20/22
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Dr. Who
Aug 20, 2022, 8:07:16 PM8/20/22
to
On Aug 20, 2022, servant wrote
(in article<63013556$0$2259$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
> Dr. who, aka robert among other names used asked:
That is correct, it cannot make a person Born of God. Those creeds at one
point determined who lived and died and were a requirement in order to belong
to a religious organization. A standard for judging who lives of dies
according to self righteous religious people.
ST PETER WILL NOT be asking you to pass a creed tests in order to get into
heaven.
>
>
> They contain an outline of what christians believe, including how one is
> "born again ... of water and spirit". The topics outlined in the creed as
> a statement of core items of 2-faith are found in scripture.
Wrong, they are made up of religious men, some who claim to be christian yet
molest children, rape women or practice homosexuality.
>
>
> Such modern creeds for just about any church or religious group can be
> found on their web page. Look for links such as 'what we believe" or
> "statement of faith". None of those creeds in that form are found in
> scripture either.
Every few of which recite a creed in a church service because they know it
has nothing to do with any access into heaven.
God judges from the thoughts and intents of the heart
A creed is not a fact. It is a fact, however, that a person much be born
again in order to access heaven.
>
>
> Here is part of such a creed from the godfather wof guru kenneth hagin:
His "creed" as you try and put it, is not one for the requirements of
Salvation, nor gaining access into heaven.
(in article<63013556$0$2259$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
> Dr. who, aka robert among other names used asked:
>
> > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
> Because those creeds do not in and of themselves make one "born again ...
> > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
That is correct, it cannot make a person Born of God. Those creeds at one
point determined who lived and died and were a requirement in order to belong
to a religious organization. A standard for judging who lives of dies
according to self righteous religious people.
ST PETER WILL NOT be asking you to pass a creed tests in order to get into
heaven.
>
>
> They contain an outline of what christians believe, including how one is
> "born again ... of water and spirit". The topics outlined in the creed as
> a statement of core items of 2-faith are found in scripture.
Wrong, they are made up of religious men, some who claim to be christian yet
molest children, rape women or practice homosexuality.
>
>
> Such modern creeds for just about any church or religious group can be
> found on their web page. Look for links such as 'what we believe" or
> "statement of faith". None of those creeds in that form are found in
> scripture either.
Every few of which recite a creed in a church service because they know it
has nothing to do with any access into heaven.
God judges from the thoughts and intents of the heart
A creed is not a fact. It is a fact, however, that a person much be born
again in order to access heaven.
>
>
> Here is part of such a creed from the godfather wof guru kenneth hagin:
His "creed" as you try and put it, is not one for the requirements of
Salvation, nor gaining access into heaven.
Michael McLean
Aug 21, 2022, 4:59:37 AM8/21/22
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On 21/08/2022 8:05 am, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022
> 18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>>
>> Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>> correct Him! :-).
>
> Ah,
>
> So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
> statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
> men" had to say?
All I have stated, really, is that there was no apostle's creed and
> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022
> 18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>>
>> Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>> correct Him! :-).
>
> Ah,
>
> So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
> statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
> men" had to say?
Nicene creed required or it would have been written word for word in the
scriptures.
Have I sinned in thine sight?
>
> What I also find amusing are the number of Protestants who follow
> the basic pattern of the "primitive" church, albeit with different
> emphasis on what's important.
P+Barker
Aug 21, 2022, 9:34:43 AM8/21/22
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:59:13 +1000, Michael McLean
<michaelm...@outlook.com> wrote:
>On 21/08/2022 8:05 am, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022
>> 18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>> On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>>>
>>> Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>>> correct Him! :-).
>>
>> Ah,
>>
>> So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
>> statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
>> men" had to say?
>
>All I have stated, really, is that there was no apostle's creed and
>Nicene creed required or it would have been written word for word in the
>scriptures.
When the club was small, there was no need for a creed.
<michaelm...@outlook.com> wrote:
>On 21/08/2022 8:05 am, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022
>> 18:53:12 +1000 typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>> On 19/08/2022 12:55 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> Because God didn't put that stuff in there.
>>>
>>> Apparently, He didn't find it necessary. However, religious men had to
>>> correct Him! :-).
>>
>> Ah,
>>
>> So what exactly is it that do you "believe"? And why should your
>> statement be considered any more useful than what other "religious
>> men" had to say?
>
>All I have stated, really, is that there was no apostle's creed and
>Nicene creed required or it would have been written word for word in the
>scriptures.
Once dorks started to feel they needed power, they would make up shit
and try to peel off the believers who were weak.
If you want to be a member of the original club, there are certain
things you must believe. Otherwise, go start your own church. Just
don't call it catholic.
P+Barker
Aug 21, 2022, 9:35:27 AM8/21/22
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:47:17 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
Really?
Are you trying to claim that God didn't kill those who needed killing?
Are you trying to claim that God didn't kill those who needed killing?
Dr. Who
Aug 21, 2022, 10:24:19 AM8/21/22
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On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<14d4ghd0po5v74mc6...@4ax.com>):
What does God say about that?
Joh 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the
world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.
If you kill a man in his sin, before his appointed time, there remains no
more opportunity to be Born Again. God stated his purpose well in these
verses. Religions who opposed the will of God in these matters were guilty of
murder. They were definitely not operating in Love.
(in article<14d4ghd0po5v74mc6...@4ax.com>):
Joh 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the
world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.
If you kill a man in his sin, before his appointed time, there remains no
more opportunity to be Born Again. God stated his purpose well in these
verses. Religions who opposed the will of God in these matters were guilty of
murder. They were definitely not operating in Love.
P+Barker
Aug 21, 2022, 5:46:30 PM8/21/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> > > > You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
>> > > > killing of heretics.
>> > >
>> > > Only those who needed killing.
>> >
>> > Which was ungodly.
>>
>> Really?
>> Are you trying to claim that God didn't kill those who needed killing?
>
>What does God say about that?
>Joh 3:17-18
God is recorded in the Bible as having personally killed a large
number of people.[note 1] While the majority of the divine
assassinations certainly took place during God's time as the
notoriously vengeful deity in the Old Testament, a few instances are
also recorded in the (just slightly) more peaceful New Testament.
The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
Lot’s wife.
The firstborn of Egypt.
The Egyptian army.
Undisclosed number of Ammorites.
20 million - In the global flood:
185,000 - Assyrian soldiers killed while sleeping.
>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> > > > You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
>> > > > killing of heretics.
>> > >
>> > > Only those who needed killing.
>> >
>> > Which was ungodly.
>>
>> Really?
>> Are you trying to claim that God didn't kill those who needed killing?
>
>What does God say about that?
>Joh 3:17-18
number of people.[note 1] While the majority of the divine
assassinations certainly took place during God's time as the
notoriously vengeful deity in the Old Testament, a few instances are
also recorded in the (just slightly) more peaceful New Testament.
The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
Lot’s wife.
The firstborn of Egypt.
The Egyptian army.
Undisclosed number of Ammorites.
20 million - In the global flood:
185,000 - Assyrian soldiers killed while sleeping.
Michael McLean
Aug 21, 2022, 6:50:52 PM8/21/22
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always end up in crap.
Dr. Who
Aug 21, 2022, 6:56:42 PM8/21/22
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On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<al95ghd90jot2qnpn...@4ax.com>):
Jesus? Why snip out the verses like the other heathens do and pretend your
religion is correct? God did not send his son to condemn the world at this
time.
God is NOT the RCC or any relationship to it. The RCC was not authorized to
kill heretics any more than Islam when killing others who oppose their
beliefs.
P+Barker
Aug 21, 2022, 7:28:04 PM8/21/22
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:56:40 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
Stop moving the goalpost.
You CLAIMED: You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully
I didn't hear you.
You CLAIMED: You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully
participated in the killing of heretics.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Only those who needed killing.
>> > > >
>> > > > Which was ungodly.
Was God ungodly?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Only those who needed killing.
>> > > >
>> > > > Which was ungodly.
I didn't hear you.
P+Barker
Aug 21, 2022, 7:28:45 PM8/21/22
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:50:48 +1000, Michael McLean
Then don't ask stupid questions about why a creed was created.
Michael McLean
Aug 21, 2022, 8:47:05 PM8/21/22
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pyotr filipivich
Aug 21, 2022, 9:34:17 PM8/21/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:52:00 -0700
And here is the question which "Dr Who" like so many before him,
seem unable to grasp.
] Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
] the Roman empire?
At which point, ponce again he goes haring off after things
totally unrelated to that question.
propaganda with history.
Oh well, the invincibly ignorant got to ignore what they don't
(won't) understand.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."
seem unable to grasp.
] Hmm, and this had nothing at all with the politics / theocracy of
] the Roman empire?
At which point, ponce again he goes haring off after things
totally unrelated to that question.
>
>You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
>killing of heretics.
Poor "Dr Who" - still conflating his chick tract / Dan brown
>You were at one point the leaders of the RCC and fully participated in the
>killing of heretics.
propaganda with history.
Oh well, the invincibly ignorant got to ignore what they don't
(won't) understand.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."
pyotr filipivich
Aug 21, 2022, 9:34:18 PM8/21/22
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Dr. Who
Aug 22, 2022, 2:04:04 AM8/22/22
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On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
(in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
> > In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son
Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that
keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know
that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.” (1Jn 3:23-24)
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without
works is dead?” (Jas 2:19-20)
Creeds are great for self righteousness purposes, even the devils believe and
tremble but their hearts are not changed either.
There are many creeds to false gods. So is there anything inherently good
about a creed to Allah?
>
>
> 1 Cor. 15:3-7
> " ... For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
> that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
> And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the
> scriptures:
> And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
> After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the
> greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
> After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles....."
>
> Phil. 2:6-11
> "... Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
> God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
> servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
> And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient
> unto death, even the death of the cross.
> Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is
> above every name:
> That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and
> things in earth, and things under the earth;
> And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory
> of God the Father...."
>
> 1 Tim. 3:16
> "... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
> God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
> preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into
> glory....."
>
> > --
> > Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca
> > Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist
> > rising!
> > Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
> > https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
> > The fool kicks a yapping puppy, then goes to play with the wolf. -unknown
> > Beware https://mindspring.com
(in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
> > In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
> > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > >
> > > Why is that?
> >
> > Exactly!!
> > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > >
> > > Why is that?
> >
>
> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son
Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that
keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know
that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.” (1Jn 3:23-24)
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without
works is dead?” (Jas 2:19-20)
Creeds are great for self righteousness purposes, even the devils believe and
tremble but their hearts are not changed either.
There are many creeds to false gods. So is there anything inherently good
about a creed to Allah?
>
>
> 1 Cor. 15:3-7
> " ... For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
> that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
> And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the
> scriptures:
> And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
> After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the
> greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
> After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles....."
>
> Phil. 2:6-11
> "... Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
> God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
> servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
> And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient
> unto death, even the death of the cross.
> Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is
> above every name:
> That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and
> things in earth, and things under the earth;
> And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory
> of God the Father...."
>
> 1 Tim. 3:16
> "... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
> God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
> preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into
> glory....."
>
> > --
> > Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca
> > Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist
> > rising!
> > Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
> > https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
> > The fool kicks a yapping puppy, then goes to play with the wolf. -unknown
> > Beware https://mindspring.com
Dr. Who
Aug 22, 2022, 2:07:43 AM8/22/22
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On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<bpf5gh1t9uldulb75...@4ax.com>):
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only those who needed killing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which was ungodly.
>
> Was God ungodly?
> I didn't hear you.
You never hear anyone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only those who needed killing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which was ungodly.
>
> Was God ungodly?
> I didn't hear you.
Dr. Who
Aug 22, 2022, 2:10:52 AM8/22/22
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On Aug 21, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<30n5ghlatnst928i7...@4ax.com>):
One of these days you might be able to combine two thoughts together without
one of them being a lie.
(in article<30n5ghlatnst928i7...@4ax.com>):
one of them being a lie.
Dr. Who
Aug 22, 2022, 2:56:34 PM8/22/22
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On Aug 22, 2022, servant wrote
(in article<6303bd0f$0$2250$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
> Easy and obvious, it is the wrong question. No one believes that a creed
> alone is the basis for being "born again ... of water and spirit". Aalse
> and misleading questions produce false and misleading answers.
Why is it such an issue for you? There is no decree given. Had there been
there would be nothing but arguments such as the pharisee used to judge the
spiritual state of others.
Just for example use the decree of men who stated what a person who is
righteous ought to believe as well as publicly state, and those that did not
do so were considered unworthy as well as heretics, and as such were murdered
in the name of the almighty God.
They were used as the center pole of judgment. In fact when repeated in a
"Chruch service" everybody's lips must be in sync or you will soon stand out
as an unknowledgeable heretic.
There are no wrong questions, only wise or ignorant retorts.
Attempting to create decrees that must be followed is the way of self
righteous people.
You can speak and say whatever you wish and look this way or that, publicly,
but God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart. The same as he knows
ones feigned love for others, which he abhors.
(in article<6303bd0f$0$2250$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
> Easy and obvious, it is the wrong question. No one believes that a creed
> alone is the basis for being "born again ... of water and spirit". Aalse
> and misleading questions produce false and misleading answers.
Why is it such an issue for you? There is no decree given. Had there been
there would be nothing but arguments such as the pharisee used to judge the
spiritual state of others.
Just for example use the decree of men who stated what a person who is
righteous ought to believe as well as publicly state, and those that did not
do so were considered unworthy as well as heretics, and as such were murdered
in the name of the almighty God.
They were used as the center pole of judgment. In fact when repeated in a
"Chruch service" everybody's lips must be in sync or you will soon stand out
as an unknowledgeable heretic.
There are no wrong questions, only wise or ignorant retorts.
Attempting to create decrees that must be followed is the way of self
righteous people.
You can speak and say whatever you wish and look this way or that, publicly,
but God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart. The same as he knows
ones feigned love for others, which he abhors.
Dr. Who
Oct 9, 2022, 7:23:35 PM10/9/22
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On Oct 9, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<qd96kh9g42380bclp...@4ax.com>):
> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:44:36 -0700 typed in
> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> > On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
> > (in article<9810gh96n2tr5had8...@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700
> > > statements" are obviously unbiblical. (Is funny, a previous poster
> > > said the Creed was full of errors and imports from paganism. When
> > > pressed on the issue, it finally came out that he objected to the
> > > phrase "one baptism for the remission of sin" because that he
> > > disagreed with. as the saying goes "It is not _your_ creed, it is The
> > > Church's creed.")
> > > Anyway, as has been pointed out before, it is obvious from the New
> > > Testament, that the New Testament did all it's growing despite not
> > > having a New Testament to refer to.
> > >
> > > But no mater. Now, where did I put that post .... ah yes
> > > "Boilerplate:"
> > >
> > > The entire creed has only references to scripture. Here it is
> > > with references inserted in each phrase of it:
> >
> > There is no original creed thus notated. It was all done centuries after the
> > fact
>
> Ah yes. I'd forgotten that Robert does believe in anything not a
> direct quote from the New Testament.
>
> Nor has he ever been able to provide a short statement of what he
> does believe (other than apparently "not whatever the Orthodox or
> historic churches believe".).
>
> But then again, Robert's belief system / religion is based on his
> interpretation of the New Testament (AV).
Whether you accept what the Word of God says about being Born Again, and that
by believing, etc., as I have posted from scripture, countless times, is on
you, not me.
Regarding Oaths;
Mat 5:33-37
33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt
not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's
throne:
35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is
the city of the great King.
36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair
white or black.
37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more
than these cometh of evil.
That is from the mouth of Jesus.
James spoke this from out Heavenly Father.
Jas 5:12
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither
by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your
nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
And from human tradition, if a person could not repeat a creed, or spoke a
different creed, it was used to determine heretics who were then dealt with
accordingly per the standards of self righteous men.
>
> > >
> > > Of course there was no formal "creed" - aside from the Diadache,
> > > the various letters of the early church, the teachings of the Apostles
> > > faithfully taught to faithful men, that they would faithfully teach
> > > others.
> >
> > What "Didache"? TheDidache, also known as the Lord's Teaching Through the
> > Twelve Apostles to the Nations, is a brief anonymous early Christian
> > treatise
> > written in Koine Greek, written in the first century. The text was lost, but
> > it's existence was known through other Early Christian writings. A Greek
> > manuscript was discovered in 1873 by Philotheos Bryennios.
> >
> > Yet people love to be fooled, even though God sent his spirit to confirm the
> > teaching of HIS word.
>
> And your point? Aside from the fact that you have rejected
> a-priori anything not bound into the KJV edition of the NT?
It has nothing to do with the KJV. As there are mistakes in translations in
there also.
>
>
> > > The short form: there was unity of teaching, practice, and belief
> > > in The Church.
> > > The Nicene Creed was written to "canonize the obvious". This is
> > > the True Faith, this is what faithful men have taught since the time
> > > of the apostles. Specifically »one Lord Jesus Christ, the
> > > only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
> > > Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one
> > > essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made.«
> >
> > More phony excuses.
>
> LOL. Phoney only to someone who wants to be free to make it up as
> he goes. Meh, Robert doesn't believe that there was any "Ancient
> Faith" or Apostolic Faith, or any unity of teaching in the New
> Testament Church. That frees him up to read his book and make his own
> decisions.
You do realize that what you swear to you are expected by God to fulfill it
to the nth degree or suffer the consequences.
>
>
> > God knows his own and works through them. Many a person
> > swore to the Nicene Creed rather than lose their head.
>
> LOL. Robert knows this because ... um, well, it seems to fit his
> presumptions.
>
> Oh well, if he wants to believe that Jesus is a created being, or
> an "adopted" son of God, not the same essence as the Father, nor
> co-equal, well, that is his privilege.
You Peter are bearing false witness against me, as usual.
(in article<qd96kh9g42380bclp...@4ax.com>):
> Robert <no...@none.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:44:36 -0700 typed in
> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> > On Aug 19, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
> > (in article<9810gh96n2tr5had8...@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700
> > > typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > >
> > > Yowza! Yet another boldfaced assertion about how "mission
> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > >
> > > statements" are obviously unbiblical. (Is funny, a previous poster
> > > said the Creed was full of errors and imports from paganism. When
> > > pressed on the issue, it finally came out that he objected to the
> > > phrase "one baptism for the remission of sin" because that he
> > > disagreed with. as the saying goes "It is not _your_ creed, it is The
> > > Church's creed.")
> > > Anyway, as has been pointed out before, it is obvious from the New
> > > Testament, that the New Testament did all it's growing despite not
> > > having a New Testament to refer to.
> > >
> > > But no mater. Now, where did I put that post .... ah yes
> > > "Boilerplate:"
> > >
> > > The entire creed has only references to scripture. Here it is
> > > with references inserted in each phrase of it:
> >
> > There is no original creed thus notated. It was all done centuries after the
> > fact
>
> Ah yes. I'd forgotten that Robert does believe in anything not a
> direct quote from the New Testament.
>
> Nor has he ever been able to provide a short statement of what he
> does believe (other than apparently "not whatever the Orthodox or
> historic churches believe".).
>
> But then again, Robert's belief system / religion is based on his
> interpretation of the New Testament (AV).
Whether you accept what the Word of God says about being Born Again, and that
by believing, etc., as I have posted from scripture, countless times, is on
you, not me.
Regarding Oaths;
Mat 5:33-37
33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt
not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's
throne:
35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is
the city of the great King.
36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair
white or black.
37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more
than these cometh of evil.
That is from the mouth of Jesus.
James spoke this from out Heavenly Father.
Jas 5:12
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither
by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your
nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
And from human tradition, if a person could not repeat a creed, or spoke a
different creed, it was used to determine heretics who were then dealt with
accordingly per the standards of self righteous men.
>
> > >
> > > Of course there was no formal "creed" - aside from the Diadache,
> > > the various letters of the early church, the teachings of the Apostles
> > > faithfully taught to faithful men, that they would faithfully teach
> > > others.
> >
> > What "Didache"? TheDidache, also known as the Lord's Teaching Through the
> > Twelve Apostles to the Nations, is a brief anonymous early Christian
> > treatise
> > written in Koine Greek, written in the first century. The text was lost, but
> > it's existence was known through other Early Christian writings. A Greek
> > manuscript was discovered in 1873 by Philotheos Bryennios.
> >
> > Yet people love to be fooled, even though God sent his spirit to confirm the
> > teaching of HIS word.
>
> And your point? Aside from the fact that you have rejected
> a-priori anything not bound into the KJV edition of the NT?
It has nothing to do with the KJV. As there are mistakes in translations in
there also.
>
>
> > > The short form: there was unity of teaching, practice, and belief
> > > in The Church.
> > > The Nicene Creed was written to "canonize the obvious". This is
> > > the True Faith, this is what faithful men have taught since the time
> > > of the apostles. Specifically »one Lord Jesus Christ, the
> > > only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
> > > Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one
> > > essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made.«
> >
> > More phony excuses.
>
> LOL. Phoney only to someone who wants to be free to make it up as
> he goes. Meh, Robert doesn't believe that there was any "Ancient
> Faith" or Apostolic Faith, or any unity of teaching in the New
> Testament Church. That frees him up to read his book and make his own
> decisions.
You do realize that what you swear to you are expected by God to fulfill it
to the nth degree or suffer the consequences.
>
>
> > God knows his own and works through them. Many a person
> > swore to the Nicene Creed rather than lose their head.
>
> LOL. Robert knows this because ... um, well, it seems to fit his
> presumptions.
>
> Oh well, if he wants to believe that Jesus is a created being, or
> an "adopted" son of God, not the same essence as the Father, nor
> co-equal, well, that is his privilege.
You Peter are bearing false witness against me, as usual.
Dr. Who
Oct 9, 2022, 9:16:36 PM10/9/22
to
On Oct 9, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
(in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> > (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
> > > > In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
> > > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is that?
> > > >
> > > > Exactly!!
> > >
> > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>
> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
brought to the world.
He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
the Lord.
(in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> > (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
> > > > In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
> > > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is that?
> > > >
> > > > Exactly!!
> > >
> > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>
> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
brought to the world.
He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
the Lord.
Michael McLean
Oct 9, 2022, 9:21:15 PM10/9/22
to
On 10/10/2022 12:16 pm, Dr. Who wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> (in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
>>> (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!!
>>>>
>>>> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
> No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
> brought to the world.
>
> He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
> the Lord.
You don't keep all the commandments! You are not righteousness!
> On Oct 9, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> (in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
>>> (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!!
>>>>
>>>> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
> No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
> brought to the world.
>
> He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
> the Lord.
Michael McLean
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."
"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
P+Barker
Oct 10, 2022, 7:13:52 AM10/10/22
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>the Lord.
And this is the rub.
>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>the Lord.
You make up your own definition of "born again"
Whereas, everyone else knows what it means.
Dr. Who
Oct 10, 2022, 12:28:54 PM10/10/22
to
On Oct 10, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<rfv7kh92qb2jbhhbb...@4ax.com>):
You can accuse all you want, but that does not establish truth.
You do not know the truth.
(in article<rfv7kh92qb2jbhhbb...@4ax.com>):
You do not know the truth.
pyotr filipivich
Oct 10, 2022, 4:35:42 PM10/10/22
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
believes.
Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
creed"?
Apparently understanding the difference between "things commanded of
God" and a "List of things commanded by God" just too confusing. I
think he gets stuck on the word "creed" which comes form the Latin
'Credo' - "I believe".
typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>
>
>> > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
>No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
>brought to the world.
And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
>> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
>No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
>brought to the world.
>
>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>the Lord.
Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>the Lord.
Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
believes.
Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
creed"?
Apparently understanding the difference between "things commanded of
God" and a "List of things commanded by God" just too confusing. I
think he gets stuck on the word "creed" which comes form the Latin
'Credo' - "I believe".
Dr. Who
Oct 10, 2022, 6:09:51 PM10/10/22
to
On Oct 10, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<f109khl5r8k7m9s3j...@4ax.com>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
> typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> >
> > > > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of
> > > > > belief]
> > > > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
> > >
> > > Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
> > > preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
> >
> > No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which
> > Jesus
> > brought to the world.
>
> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
> >
> > He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
> > the Lord.
>
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
> believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
> follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
Is it a command of the Lord, or a decree of a religion?
What value does latin add to anything here?
To me it is the Lord and what He teaches.
A creed is designed and authored by man. It is something that many pledge to
on their honor. They swear to it.
It appears that you discount the word of God as he tells us not to swear by
anything, God or man.
You can keep attempting to set up a strawman for your self serving purposes.
But for what purpose? To deflect the thoughts of you and others from God and
his words to a person? If what benefit is that?
(in article<f109khl5r8k7m9s3j...@4ax.com>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
> typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> >
> > > > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of
> > > > > belief]
> > > > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
> > >
> > > Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
> > > preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
> >
> > No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which
> > Jesus
> > brought to the world.
>
> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
> >
> > He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
> > the Lord.
>
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
> believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
> follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
What value does latin add to anything here?
>
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
> can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
> creed"?
To you, perhaps, and that seems to be your focus.
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
> can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
> creed"?
To me it is the Lord and what He teaches.
>
>
> Apparently understanding the difference between "things commanded of
> God" and a "List of things commanded by God" just too confusing. I
> think he gets stuck on the word "creed" which comes form the Latin
> 'Credo' - "I believe".
Shifting the goal posts. Again?
>
> Apparently understanding the difference between "things commanded of
> God" and a "List of things commanded by God" just too confusing. I
> think he gets stuck on the word "creed" which comes form the Latin
> 'Credo' - "I believe".
A creed is designed and authored by man. It is something that many pledge to
on their honor. They swear to it.
It appears that you discount the word of God as he tells us not to swear by
anything, God or man.
You can keep attempting to set up a strawman for your self serving purposes.
But for what purpose? To deflect the thoughts of you and others from God and
his words to a person? If what benefit is that?
P+Barker
Oct 10, 2022, 6:30:32 PM10/10/22
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 09:28:52 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
You can't "HANDLE" the truth.
wrote:
P+Barker
Oct 10, 2022, 6:31:55 PM10/10/22
to
, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
o
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
o
>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>>the Lord.
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>creed"?
robt doesn't wish to be tied down to a specific creed.
>>the Lord.
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>creed"?
Michael McLean
Oct 10, 2022, 8:12:23 PM10/10/22
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Michael McLean
Mattb
Oct 11, 2022, 1:19:37 PM10/11/22
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 07:50:03 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>(in article<4e00gh52d43a2cvhq...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>> What does He know about you?
>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>
>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>
> OK then.
> What does He know about you?
What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
> Would you like to share with the whole class?
No person knows what God knows.
wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>(in article<4e00gh52d43a2cvhq...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 11:03:57 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> > (in article<jv0vfh5agi76ohrll...@4ax.com>):
>>> >
>>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Why is that?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:55:24 -0700, Dr. Who<dr....@biosphere.orb>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>> > > > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Why is that?
>>> > >
>>> > > They didn't need a creed when everyone believed the same thing. Only
>>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>>> >
>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>> > them.
>>>
>>> DUHHHH!!!!!
>>> > > when jerk-offs came around and started to make up crap did they decide
>>> > > that one was needed for minimum requirements to join the club.
>>> >
>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>> > them.
>>>
>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>>
>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>
>>> OK then.
>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>
>>> What does He know about you?
>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>
>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>
> OK then.
> What does He know about you?
What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
> Would you like to share with the whole class?
No person knows what God knows.
Mattb
Oct 11, 2022, 1:27:57 PM10/11/22
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 13:35:38 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
>typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>
>>> > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>>
>>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>>
>>No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
>>brought to the world.
>
> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
>>
>>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>>the Lord.
>
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>creed"?
The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
>typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>
>>> > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>>
>>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>>
>>No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
>>brought to the world.
>
> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
>>
>>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>>the Lord.
>
> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>
> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>believes.
> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>creed"?
authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
the RCC I believe?
While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
P+Barker
Oct 11, 2022, 4:02:19 PM10/11/22
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attb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>the RCC I believe?
>
>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
Can you explain what you believe without a creed?
> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>the RCC I believe?
>
>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
P+Barker
Oct 11, 2022, 4:05:03 PM10/11/22
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What are your thoughts about it and God?
>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>
> No person knows what God knows.
It sounds like you know what God knows.
Dr. Who
Oct 11, 2022, 4:44:27 PM10/11/22
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On Oct 11, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<uuibkh9m3fa6ldtb2...@4ax.com>):
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > P+Barker<PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > DUHHHH!!!!!
> > > > > Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
> > > > > Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
> > > > >
> > > > > > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK then.
> > > > > What does He know about you?
> > > > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> > > >
> > > > “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
> > > > children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
> > >
> > > OK then.
> > > What does He know about you?
> >
> > What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
> > any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
> > Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>
> Do you believe in free will?
> What are your thoughts about it and God?
The creed says nothing about that, so how can you claim to believe it?
(in article<uuibkh9m3fa6ldtb2...@4ax.com>):
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > P+Barker<PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > DUHHHH!!!!!
> > > > > Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
> > > > > Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
> > > > >
> > > > > > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK then.
> > > > > What does He know about you?
> > > > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> > > >
> > > > “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
> > > > children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
> > >
> > > OK then.
> > > What does He know about you?
> >
> > What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
> > any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
> > Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>
> Do you believe in free will?
> What are your thoughts about it and God?
>
>
> > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> >
> > No person knows what God knows.
>
> But you just said He knows everything.
> It sounds like you know what God knows.
Do you ever think before you speak?
>
> > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> >
> > No person knows what God knows.
>
> But you just said He knows everything.
> It sounds like you know what God knows.
P+Barker
Oct 11, 2022, 5:41:27 PM10/11/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:44:25 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
Creed......... Free will...... Two different things.
Spinach...... Niagara Falls...... Two different things.
I don't believe a creed.
I list things that I believe, and this IS the creed.
>> > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
>> >
>> > No person knows what God knows.
>>
>> But you just said He knows everything.
>> It sounds like you know what God knows.
>
>Do you ever think before you speak?
matty says God knows everything. Then he says no person knows what
God knows. Perhaps you could explain this for matty.
wrote:
Spinach...... Niagara Falls...... Two different things.
I don't believe a creed.
I list things that I believe, and this IS the creed.
>> > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
>> >
>> > No person knows what God knows.
>>
>> But you just said He knows everything.
>> It sounds like you know what God knows.
>
>Do you ever think before you speak?
God knows. Perhaps you could explain this for matty.
Dr. Who
Oct 11, 2022, 6:18:46 PM10/11/22
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On Oct 11, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<egobkhh7rlitbl39u...@4ax.com>):
>
>
> > > > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> > > >
> > > > No person knows what God knows.
> > >
> > > But you just said He knows everything.
> > > It sounds like you know what God knows.
> >
> > Do you ever think before you speak?
>
> matty says God knows everything. Then he says no person knows what
> God knows. Perhaps you could explain this for matty.
You are the one who needs the understanding, but cannot.
>
> > > > > Would you like to share with the whole class?
> > > >
> > > > No person knows what God knows.
> > >
> > > But you just said He knows everything.
> > > It sounds like you know what God knows.
> >
> > Do you ever think before you speak?
>
> matty says God knows everything. Then he says no person knows what
> God knows. Perhaps you could explain this for matty.
Mattb
Oct 11, 2022, 9:51:52 PM10/11/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:05:01 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>>>> > them.
>>>>>
>>>>> DUHHHH!!!!!
>>>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>>>>
>>>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK then.
>>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>
>>>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>>>
>>> OK then.
>>> What does He know about you?
>>
>> What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
>>any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
>>Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>
>Do you believe in free will?
Yes very much so, and yet nothing I have posted suggest otherwise.
>What are your thoughts about it and God?
God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>
>
>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>
>> No person knows what God knows.
>
>But you just said He knows everything.
What I posted was "He knows everything about
any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
with some accuracy but not know.
>It sounds like you know what God knows.
No person or Church does the Human brain lacks that ability to hold
such knowledge.
wrote:
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>>>> > them.
>>>>>
>>>>> DUHHHH!!!!!
>>>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>>>>
>>>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK then.
>>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>
>>>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>>>
>>> OK then.
>>> What does He know about you?
>>
>> What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
>>any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
>>Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>
>Do you believe in free will?
>What are your thoughts about it and God?
>
>
>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>
>> No person knows what God knows.
>
>But you just said He knows everything.
any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
with some accuracy but not know.
>It sounds like you know what God knows.
such knowledge.
Mattb
Oct 11, 2022, 9:53:56 PM10/11/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:02:17 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I could but that wouldn't be forced on other used to kill others as
the RCC has done over and over. It is a personal thing and depends on
a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
wrote:
the RCC has done over and over. It is a personal thing and depends on
a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 9:15:44 AM10/12/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:53:53 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:02:17 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>attb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>>>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>>>the RCC I believe?
>>>
>>>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>>>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>>>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
>>
>>Can you explain what you believe without a creed?
>
> I could but that wouldn't be forced on other
Well then, you could have a creed if you wanted to.
No one forces people to speak the creed.
> It is a personal thing and depends on
>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
Of course it isn't.
However, if you do not believe the Apsotles Creed, then you should
look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:02:17 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>attb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>>>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>>>the RCC I believe?
>>>
>>>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>>>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>>>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
>>
>>Can you explain what you believe without a creed?
>
> I could but that wouldn't be forced on other
No one forces people to speak the creed.
> It is a personal thing and depends on
>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
However, if you do not believe the Apsotles Creed, then you should
look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 9:16:57 AM10/12/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:18:45 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
'splain it to me, oh wise one.
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 9:20:30 AM10/12/22
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:51:49 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:05:01 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>>>>> > them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DUHHHH!!!!!
>>>>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>>>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK then.
>>>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>>
>>>>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>>>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>>>>
>>>> OK then.
>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>
>>> What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
>>>any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
>>>Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>>
>>Do you believe in free will?
>
> Yes very much so, and yet nothing I have posted suggest otherwise.
If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
God gave us that free will.
God does not force us to do His will.
Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>What are your thoughts about it and God?
>
> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
God gave us that free will.
God does not force us to do His will.
Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>
>>> No person knows what God knows.
>>
>>But you just said He knows everything.
>
> What I posted was "He knows everything about
>any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
>with some accuracy but not know.
So.... God does not know everything?
>>It sounds like you know what God knows.
>
> No person or Church does the Human brain lacks that ability to hold
>such knowledge.
Good thought.
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:05:01 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:20:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> > And that is when men started killing others why they felt did not agree with
>>>>>> > them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DUHHHH!!!!!
>>>>>> Man has been killing others since the beginning of time.
>>>>>> Try to look up the stpry of Cain and Abel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK then.
>>>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>>
>>>>>“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the
>>>>>children of God:” (Rom 8:16)
>>>>
>>>> OK then.
>>>> What does He know about you?
>>>
>>> What does God know about any individual? He knows everything about
>>>any of us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know.
>>>Patrick Barker you lack faith, is that a core RCC teaching?
>>
>>Do you believe in free will?
>
> Yes very much so, and yet nothing I have posted suggest otherwise.
God gave us that free will.
God does not force us to do His will.
Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>What are your thoughts about it and God?
>
> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
God gave us that free will.
God does not force us to do His will.
Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>
>>> No person knows what God knows.
>>
>>But you just said He knows everything.
>
> What I posted was "He knows everything about
>any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
>with some accuracy but not know.
>>It sounds like you know what God knows.
>
> No person or Church does the Human brain lacks that ability to hold
>such knowledge.
pyotr filipivich
Oct 12, 2022, 11:24:22 AM10/12/22
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P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:31:54 -0400 typed
in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
what it is he believes.
It would ruin his whole stance how "I just follow the Book".
--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."
in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>>He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>>>the Lord.
>> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>>believes.
>> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>>
>> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>>creed"?
>
>robt doesn't wish to be tied down to a specific creed.
I doubt Robert wants to recognize he has a "Credo", a statement of
>>>the Lord.
>> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>>believes.
>> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>>follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>>
>> The real question is: what does Robert believe? And specifically,
>>can he encapsulate those beliefs into a short statement, a.k.a. "a
>>creed"?
>
>robt doesn't wish to be tied down to a specific creed.
what it is he believes.
It would ruin his whole stance how "I just follow the Book".
--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."
Mattb
Oct 12, 2022, 12:58:56 PM10/12/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:20:27 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
That is true, and the RCC has chosen not to follow Jesus but a
Pagan pedophile, corruption and greed cult. The RCC was founded
around Pagan beliefs with a few words of the Bible mixed in a true
Universal Church.
>God gave us that free will.
True or we always had it.
>God does not force us to do His will.
Also true.
>Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
That isn't what I said. I said "He knows everything about any of
us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know", you are
again using your fundamentalism and changing what was said with
calumny, with disinformation.
lets try this 'He knows everything about any of us to the present day,
God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know'
There even Patrick Barker should be able to understand that.
Pagan pedophile, corruption and greed cult. The RCC was founded
around Pagan beliefs with a few words of the Bible mixed in a true
Universal Church.
>God gave us that free will.
>God does not force us to do His will.
>Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
us, God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know", you are
again using your fundamentalism and changing what was said with
calumny, with disinformation.
>
>
>>>What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>
>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>
>If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>God gave us that free will.
>God does not force us to do His will.
>Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
This is a repeat and was answered above.
>
>>>What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>
>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>
>If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>God gave us that free will.
>God does not force us to do His will.
>Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>
>>>> No person knows what God knows.
>>>
>>>But you just said He knows everything.
>>
>> What I posted was "He knows everything about
>>any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
>>with some accuracy but not know.
>
>So.... God does not know everything?
OK Then I will rephrase it for my low IQ fundamentalist Catholic
>
>
>
>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>
>>>> No person knows what God knows.
>>>
>>>But you just said He knows everything.
>>
>> What I posted was "He knows everything about
>>any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
>>with some accuracy but not know.
>
>So.... God does not know everything?
lets try this 'He knows everything about any of us to the present day,
God knows more about any of us than we ourselves know'
There even Patrick Barker should be able to understand that.
Mattb
Oct 12, 2022, 1:06:19 PM10/12/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:15:41 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
pagan-born cult called the Catholic Church made up, they defended and
aided and covered for pedophiles and also murdered thousands while
claiming they represent Jesus on earth, which makes their fruit rotten
to the core.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good
fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and
thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
The RCC as an institution needs to be thrown into the fire.
following Jesus? Sorry, one does not need to follow a pedophile cult
called Roman Catholic Church to follow Jesus, in fact, better if you
reject RCC.
wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:53:53 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:02:17 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>attb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>>>>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>>>>the RCC I believe?
>>>>
>>>>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>>>>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>>>>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
>>>
>>>Can you explain what you believe without a creed?
>>
>> I could but that wouldn't be forced on other
>
>Well then, you could have a creed if you wanted to.
>No one forces people to speak the creed.
Jesus's words are what the creed would be. Not what some
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:53:53 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:02:17 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>attb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Creed as written by the Catholic Church, is a man-made and
>>>>authoritarian thing. There are several versions of it as needed by
>>>>the RCC I believe?
>>>>
>>>>While I do not believe being this 'born again' is needful depending on
>>>>its meaning, this creed is definitely not needed to be a follower of
>>>>Jesus. Can you prove otherwise in the words of Jesus?
>>>
>>>Can you explain what you believe without a creed?
>>
>> I could but that wouldn't be forced on other
>
>Well then, you could have a creed if you wanted to.
>No one forces people to speak the creed.
pagan-born cult called the Catholic Church made up, they defended and
aided and covered for pedophiles and also murdered thousands while
claiming they represent Jesus on earth, which makes their fruit rotten
to the core.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good
fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and
thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
The RCC as an institution needs to be thrown into the fire.
>
>
>> It is a personal thing and depends on
>>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
>
>Of course it isn't.
>However, if you do not believe the Apostles Creed, then you should
>
>> It is a personal thing and depends on
>>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
>
>Of course it isn't.
>look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
LOL, Then you are saying the Catholic creed is necessary for
following Jesus? Sorry, one does not need to follow a pedophile cult
called Roman Catholic Church to follow Jesus, in fact, better if you
reject RCC.
Dr. Who
Oct 12, 2022, 1:44:52 PM10/12/22
to
On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<dcfdkhla9d4v7c138...@4ax.com>):
There it is again. The almighty creed that man is judged by and condemned as
a heretic and put to death, true when it was written and proven that the RCC
mindset is still the same 1600+ years later.
(in article<dcfdkhla9d4v7c138...@4ax.com>):
a heretic and put to death, true when it was written and proven that the RCC
mindset is still the same 1600+ years later.
Dr. Who
Oct 12, 2022, 1:45:42 PM10/12/22
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On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<0hfdkhh4huv0t2gnv...@4ax.com>):
When you have ears to hear.
(in article<0hfdkhh4huv0t2gnv...@4ax.com>):
Dr. Who
Oct 12, 2022, 1:45:50 PM10/12/22
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On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<mifdkhdev32u73tph...@4ax.com>):
He does, he knows the hearts and thoughts of man.
(in article<mifdkhdev32u73tph...@4ax.com>):
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 5:42:43 PM10/12/22
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> The RCC as an institution needs to be thrown into the fire.
7:02pm - 12:09am+1
Dayton (DAY) - Seattle (SEA)
8h 7m (1 stop)
57m in Atlanta (ATL)
>>> It is a personal thing and depends on
>>>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>>>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
>>
>>Of course it isn't.
>>However, if you do not believe the Apostles Creed, then you should
>>look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
>
> LOL, Then you are saying the Catholic creed is necessary for
>following Jesus?
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 5:44:23 PM10/12/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 10:43:39 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
The Creed is merely a list of minimum things one must believe in order
to belong to a Christian church.
No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
wrote:
to belong to a Christian church.
No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 5:45:52 PM10/12/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:58:52 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
Speak for yourself, ass wipe.
Are you going to be in Concrete the next few days?
Don't bother answering me.
I don't care.
I'm going on vacation.
Are you going to be in Concrete the next few days?
Don't bother answering me.
I don't care.
I'm going on vacation.
P+Barker
Oct 12, 2022, 5:48:04 PM10/12/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 10:45:48 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
Then why did He give us a free will?
Did God know adam and eve would sin?
If so, why play games about it?
You are starting to sound like that dude who believes in
predestination again. Think about this for a while.
Then get back to me in a few weeks.
I'll be visiting old friends.
wrote:
Did God know adam and eve would sin?
If so, why play games about it?
You are starting to sound like that dude who believes in
predestination again. Think about this for a while.
Then get back to me in a few weeks.
I'll be visiting old friends.
Dr. Who
Oct 12, 2022, 6:11:17 PM10/12/22
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On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<67dekhhsogu6170r1...@4ax.com>):
"Christian church". Minimum requirements, gotcha!
Dr. Who
Oct 12, 2022, 6:32:53 PM10/12/22
to
On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<pcdekhhr3scn1b1d1...@4ax.com>):
the performance of their cars, and knowing their past performances in similar
instances there is a high likelihood that an intelligent person can determine
who will win.
In a war, a sniper gets to know his target and their habits, styles, etc.
Each has free will. The sniper will predetermine the targets location and tag
him on the first shot. Both had freewill.
Your wife knows when you are going to take a dump., did she predestinate you?
Michael McLean
Oct 12, 2022, 6:53:17 PM10/12/22
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And it is not contingent on good and evil...a bit of the thing the Lord
is showing me at the moment.
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Would you like to share with the whole class?
>>>>
>>>> No person knows what God knows.
>>>
>>> But you just said He knows everything.
>>
>> What I posted was "He knows everything about
>> any of us" and that is to the present, of the future he can predict
>> with some accuracy but not know.
>
> So.... God does not know everything?
Rom_11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to
whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Believe, Patrick, beeeeellllllliiiiieeeeevvvvvveeee. Catholics need to
put Catholicism aside, and Protestants need to put Protestantism aside.
And believe!
Michael McLean
>
>
>
>>> It sounds like you know what God knows.
>>
>> No person or Church does the Human brain lacks that ability to hold
>> such knowledge.
>
> Good thought.
P+Barker
Oct 13, 2022, 7:57:18 AM10/13/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> The Creed is merely a list of minimum things one must believe in order
>> to belong to a Christian church.
>> No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
>
>IOW's
Troll statement ahead!
>> to belong to a Christian church.
>> No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
>
>IOW's
> a person must swear by it to belong to the RCC, which you pretend is a
>"Christian church". Minimum requirements, gotcha!
P+Barker
Oct 13, 2022, 7:59:40 AM10/13/22
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>> > > If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>> > > God gave us that free will.
>> > > God does not force us to do His will.
>> > > Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>> >
>> > He does, he knows the hearts and thoughts of man.
>>
>> Then why did He give us a free will?
>> Did God know adam and eve would sin?
>> If so, why play games about it?
>> You are starting to sound like that dude who believes in
>> predestination again. Think about this for a while.
>> Then get back to me in a few weeks.
>> I'll be visiting old friends.
>
>Race Car Drivers have free will. From their behaviors on the track and given
>the performance of their cars, and knowing their past performances in similar
>instances there is a high likelihood that an intelligent person can determine
>who will win.
But you and calvin say that God already knows.
>> > > If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>> > > God gave us that free will.
>> > > God does not force us to do His will.
>> > > Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>> >
>> > He does, he knows the hearts and thoughts of man.
>>
>> Then why did He give us a free will?
>> Did God know adam and eve would sin?
>> If so, why play games about it?
>> You are starting to sound like that dude who believes in
>> predestination again. Think about this for a while.
>> Then get back to me in a few weeks.
>> I'll be visiting old friends.
>
>Race Car Drivers have free will. From their behaviors on the track and given
>the performance of their cars, and knowing their past performances in similar
>instances there is a high likelihood that an intelligent person can determine
>who will win.
>In a war, a sniper gets to know his target and their habits, styles, etc.
>Each has free will. The sniper will predetermine the targets location and tag
>him on the first shot. Both had freewill.
>Your wife knows when you are going to take a dump., did she predestinate you?
P+Barker
Oct 13, 2022, 8:02:36 AM10/13/22
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Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> wrote:
>On 13/10/2022 12:20 am, P+Barker wrote:
>>>> What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>>
>>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>>
>> If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>> God gave us that free will.
>> God does not force us to do His will.
>> Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>
>He does know, but you still have a free will to believe or not believe.
>And it is not contingent on good and evil...a bit of the thing the Lord
>is showing me at the moment.
Believe and performance are two different things, calvin.
>On 13/10/2022 12:20 am, P+Barker wrote:
>>>> What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>>
>>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>>
>> If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>> God gave us that free will.
>> God does not force us to do His will.
>> Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>
>He does know, but you still have a free will to believe or not believe.
>And it is not contingent on good and evil...a bit of the thing the Lord
>is showing me at the moment.
>> So.... God does not know everything?
>
>Yes, or He wouldn't be God. Plus, He is everything.
Performing a play for some dude?
He already knows the answer, right, calvin?
Dr. Who
Oct 13, 2022, 12:20:27 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<j6vfkhh1pb2omerpo...@4ax.com>):
AYUP! That is a troll statement for sure, as you are embarrassed for
admitting the truth.
(in article<j6vfkhh1pb2omerpo...@4ax.com>):
admitting the truth.
Mattb
Oct 13, 2022, 12:55:41 PM10/13/22
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 17:42:40 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>> The RCC as an institution needs to be thrown into the fire.
>
>7:02pm - 12:09am+1
>Dayton (DAY) - Seattle (SEA)
>8h 7m (1 stop)
>57m in Atlanta (ATL)
OK Why did I need to know this? You trying to intimidate if so you
just made me laugh.
wrote:
> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>> The RCC as an institution needs to be thrown into the fire.
>
>7:02pm - 12:09am+1
>Dayton (DAY) - Seattle (SEA)
>8h 7m (1 stop)
>57m in Atlanta (ATL)
just made me laugh.
>
>
>>>> It is a personal thing and depends on
>>>>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>>>>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
>>>
>>>Of course it isn't.
>>>However, if you do not believe the Apostles Creed, then you should
>>>look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
>>
>> LOL, Then you are saying the Catholic creed is necessary for
>>following Jesus?
>
>
>Nope. Didn't say that. You are stupid.
Then what are you saying?
>
>>>> It is a personal thing and depends on
>>>>a personal view for the most part of the words of Jesus, the creed as
>>>>written by the RCC isn't necessary to be a follower of Jesus.
>>>
>>>Of course it isn't.
>>>However, if you do not believe the Apostles Creed, then you should
>>>look for another religion, .... or start your own like bobbo.
>>
>> LOL, Then you are saying the Catholic creed is necessary for
>>following Jesus?
>
>
>Nope. Didn't say that. You are stupid.
Mattb
Oct 13, 2022, 1:03:22 PM10/13/22
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I will not be "in Concrete" but will be at home most the time.
Taking advantage of the good weather and setting up for winter. Might
fly to the Islands also.
>Don't bother answering me.
>I don't care.
Then why did you ask? You are predictable. Maybe I can watch your
ship go by from out on the Islands.
Patrick Barker you aren't planning on coming to Washington State to
do a little domestic terrorism are you? You are racist and a
fundamentalist.
Taking advantage of the good weather and setting up for winter. Might
fly to the Islands also.
>Don't bother answering me.
>I don't care.
ship go by from out on the Islands.
Patrick Barker you aren't planning on coming to Washington State to
do a little domestic terrorism are you? You are racist and a
fundamentalist.
Mattb
Oct 13, 2022, 1:04:26 PM10/13/22
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 07:57:16 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd say you hit a nerve, Patrick is losing it.
wrote:
Dr. Who
Oct 13, 2022, 1:22:06 PM10/13/22
to
On Oct 13, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<mavfkhtgv8p87r9io...@4ax.com>):
You know nothing of Calvin, Like most people hear you only have hearsay to go
on as evidenced by your ignorance,
(in article<mavfkhtgv8p87r9io...@4ax.com>):
on as evidenced by your ignorance,
Dr. Who
Oct 13, 2022, 3:18:54 PM10/13/22
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On Oct 13, 2022, Mattb wrote
(in article<n7hgkh5mfrqcev9u5...@4ax.com>):
He will have a cruise, or so he says, to think about it.
He said he would be gone for two weeks. How long do we have to wait.
(in article<n7hgkh5mfrqcev9u5...@4ax.com>):
He said he would be gone for two weeks. How long do we have to wait.
Michael McLean
Oct 13, 2022, 6:20:15 PM10/13/22
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On 13/10/2022 11:02 pm, P+Barker wrote:
> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 12:20 am, P+Barker wrote:
>
>
>>>>> What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>>>
>>>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>>>
>>> If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>>> God gave us that free will.
>>> God does not force us to do His will.
>>> Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>
>> He does know, but you still have a free will to believe or not believe.
>> And it is not contingent on good and evil...a bit of the thing the Lord
>> is showing me at the moment.
>
> Believe and performance are two different things, calvin.
Not to me. Everything is a belief.
> Michael McLean <michaelm...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 12:20 am, P+Barker wrote:
>
>
>>>>> What are your thoughts about it and God?
>>>>
>>>> God gives us freewill, are you suggesting he doesn't?
>>>
>>> If we have free will, we then can choose to follow God .... or not.
>>> God gave us that free will.
>>> God does not force us to do His will.
>>> Yet, you seem to think God knows exactly what we will do.
>>
>> He does know, but you still have a free will to believe or not believe.
>> And it is not contingent on good and evil...a bit of the thing the Lord
>> is showing me at the moment.
>
> Believe and performance are two different things, calvin.
By the way, did Calvin believe that? :-).
>>> So.... God does not know everything?
>>
>> Yes, or He wouldn't be God. Plus, He is everything.
>
> Then what are we doing here on earth?
> Performing a play for some dude?
> He already knows the answer, right, calvin?
Yet, you have a choice.
Not that difficult for a Catholic, right, Pope Patrick the 1st?
Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Oct 13, 2022, 6:29:29 PM10/13/22
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You have got truth coming that is going to do more than embarrass you,
Robert Righteousness.
P+Barker
Oct 14, 2022, 12:37:30 PM10/14/22
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:55:38 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Who is Joseph?
You have the middle mail box.
Who owns the other two?
And, there is NO fence up to the barn.
wrote:
You have the middle mail box.
Who owns the other two?
And, there is NO fence up to the barn.
Mattb
Oct 14, 2022, 1:00:48 PM10/14/22
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:18:52 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
on the ship.
wrote:
>On Oct 13, 2022, Mattb wrote
>(in article<n7hgkh5mfrqcev9u5...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 07:57:16 -0400, P+Barker<PBa...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> >
>> > > > The Creed is merely a list of minimum things one must believe in order
>> > > > to belong to a Christian church.
>> > > > No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
>> > >
>> > > IOW's
>> >
>> > Troll statement ahead!
>> >
>> >
>> > > a person must swear by it to belong to the RCC, which you pretend is a
>> > > "Christian church". Minimum requirements, gotcha!
>> >
>> > FOAD, LOOZER.
>>
>> I'd say you hit a nerve, Patrick is losing it.
>
>He will have a cruise, or so he says, to think about it.
>
>He said he would be gone for two weeks. How long do we have to wait.
Don't know. A 2 week cruise to Alaska? Hope there are no kids
>On Oct 13, 2022, Mattb wrote
>(in article<n7hgkh5mfrqcev9u5...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 07:57:16 -0400, P+Barker<PBa...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Oct 12, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>> >
>> > > > The Creed is merely a list of minimum things one must believe in order
>> > > > to belong to a Christian church.
>> > > > No judgement. Merely minimum requirements.
>> > >
>> > > IOW's
>> >
>> > Troll statement ahead!
>> >
>> >
>> > > a person must swear by it to belong to the RCC, which you pretend is a
>> > > "Christian church". Minimum requirements, gotcha!
>> >
>> > FOAD, LOOZER.
>>
>> I'd say you hit a nerve, Patrick is losing it.
>
>He will have a cruise, or so he says, to think about it.
>
>He said he would be gone for two weeks. How long do we have to wait.
on the ship.
Mattb
Oct 14, 2022, 11:07:47 PM10/14/22
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:37:28 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You tell me?
>You have the middle mail box.
No I have a lone box.
>Who owns the other two?
What is the address you are speaking about?
>And, there is NO fence up to the barn.
No, the fence on my property is around the outside and you can't see
the house or barn from the gate. What is this address?
wrote:
>You have the middle mail box.
>Who owns the other two?
>And, there is NO fence up to the barn.
the house or barn from the gate. What is this address?
Dr. Who
Oct 15, 2022, 4:00:57 PM10/15/22
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On Oct 15, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<031mkhtcamkjpor37...@4ax.com>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 20:35:03 -0700
> typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> >
> > > Absolutley not!
> > > It is a statement of core beliefs.
> > > A reminder of what we believe.
> > > A public declaration.
> > >
> > > When this is read at my church, it follows the question "what do we
> > > believe?"
> >
> > And when it was written it was used to judge if a person believed what they
> > did, and if not they were called a heretic and dealt with accordingly. They
> > had to be able to quote it, like you.
> >
> > Yes, I studied church history all the good and all the bad.
>
> And yet Robert repeatedly reveals that for all his "study" he has
> apparently learned nothing.
Modern day teachings cannot disturb the history of the past. Their truths
remain and are yet passed down via tradition. There is nothing you can do to
absolve it.
You can renounce it if you wish and shun it from your life, but by defending
it you are honoring it and making it a full part of your makeup.
>
> >
> > And yes, it was fully written by man, modified by man several times. The
> > Masons have their creed as well, and they believe theirs like you do yours,
> > was it not part of your cat class?
>
> And once again, Robert, having no argument, and unable to tell the
> difference between commandments and requirements to believe, follow
> and teach those commandments, is reduced to attempts to attack those
> who do not believe as he does and are thus heretics in his eyes.
You can only be a heretic to your beliefs, not mine. You can teach and
believe following heresies according the the doctrines of your church that
oppose the Word of God, Idolatry being a major one of those errors. The
disbelief in the gifts of the spirit, the Holy Spirit. The ladder or other
steps of Theosis, another. Theotokos another.
You judge me by your understandings, not by the Word of the Lord. You do not
even judge yourself by the word of God, but by your traditions,
>
> Sad really.
Yes, and to think that you have departed from the faith of your father and
mother.
(in article<031mkhtcamkjpor37...@4ax.com>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 20:35:03 -0700
> typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
> >
> > > Absolutley not!
> > > It is a statement of core beliefs.
> > > A reminder of what we believe.
> > > A public declaration.
> > >
> > > When this is read at my church, it follows the question "what do we
> > > believe?"
> >
> > And when it was written it was used to judge if a person believed what they
> > did, and if not they were called a heretic and dealt with accordingly. They
> > had to be able to quote it, like you.
> >
> > Yes, I studied church history all the good and all the bad.
>
> And yet Robert repeatedly reveals that for all his "study" he has
> apparently learned nothing.
Modern day teachings cannot disturb the history of the past. Their truths
remain and are yet passed down via tradition. There is nothing you can do to
absolve it.
You can renounce it if you wish and shun it from your life, but by defending
it you are honoring it and making it a full part of your makeup.
>
> >
> > And yes, it was fully written by man, modified by man several times. The
> > Masons have their creed as well, and they believe theirs like you do yours,
> > was it not part of your cat class?
>
> And once again, Robert, having no argument, and unable to tell the
> difference between commandments and requirements to believe, follow
> and teach those commandments, is reduced to attempts to attack those
> who do not believe as he does and are thus heretics in his eyes.
You can only be a heretic to your beliefs, not mine. You can teach and
believe following heresies according the the doctrines of your church that
oppose the Word of God, Idolatry being a major one of those errors. The
disbelief in the gifts of the spirit, the Holy Spirit. The ladder or other
steps of Theosis, another. Theotokos another.
You judge me by your understandings, not by the Word of the Lord. You do not
even judge yourself by the word of God, but by your traditions,
>
> Sad really.
Yes, and to think that you have departed from the faith of your father and
mother.
Dr. Who
Oct 20, 2022, 2:04:24 PM10/20/22
to
On Oct 20, 2022, servant wrote
(in article<63517a5f$0$2255$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
> Robert who seeks help in understanding scripture ponders:
Here you are pondering to a false allusion in your mind as nothing I
mentioned was found in scripture.
>
>
> > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
> Because the question has afalse presumption. The question determines,ie.
> steers toward the desired answer.
Oh? Like your false presumption of my needing help with scripture in regards
to the dogma of men?
>
>
> The bible in fact is full of creeds. A creed is a statement of an accepted
> matter of faith or practice by which a believer is identified and by which
> one divides himself from errror. See the link below for creeds in
> scripture.
What you just described is a doctrine of men, not of God.
Did not the Lord say,...
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil
fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that
bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore
by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Mat 7:16-20)
In other words, "Faith without works is dead".
>
>
> Look at about any churches' web page, find their "what we believe" or some
> such and you have found their creed. Most of them derive from church
> councils after about 1500 AD in europe; if they are of the protestant
> flavor. Many newer groups of the 20th century had their own councils when
> they originated .
>
> One such creed was declared by the 1st church council in Acts as to matters
> of faith and practice of whom and how one joins the church that had arisen
> to divide believers . The council arived at a statement of a creed by
> which all churches were bound.
That is a false statement. No one was bound by their decree as I have pointed
out via scripture many times. Now was a method established by how one joins a
church. That is a ridiculous statement. Not of God.
>
> Later coucils following the exampln in Acts did likewise for matters of
> faith and practice that arose in their time. The two mentioned above are
> examples that met in the early church.
Nope, not at all, and your point has never been established or backed up in
scripture.
>
>
> The NT is full of such creeds, most but not always found in the letters
> and/or recorded discussions during visits to local church areas.. As the
> church spread Paul and others solved divisive matters of faith and practice
> that arose in local areas by declaring a creed concerning it.
Where is there any evidence of that? Since when did man have any say about
matters of Faith, truth or practice? Is not King Jesus the ruler in such
matters? Is not His Kingdom His to decide? Is there not an ekklesia of God
and a church of man?
>
>
> Here is a discussion of the many creeds found in the NT:
>
> Bible Creeds | Christian.net
>
> https://christian.net/resources/bible-creeds/
Evidently you do not have and eye for discernment.
"The following scripture passages are considered by many to be creeds or
declarations of faith. These are taken from both Lieth’s Schaff’s books
to which I have read."
Considered by man, not established, IOW by God. Case in point, they declared
Mat 16:16 to be a creed of man. Yet that is to be disputed by scripture
following.
Mat 16:16-20
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for
flesh and blood hath not revealed itunto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was
Jesus the Christ.
Read V 17 as to whom it was that revealed it. Was it Mano y Mano? Nope.
Other stuff they decreed as being a creed of Man was first established in the
scripture, and followed up by mens admittance as to the veracity of the
scripture.
As you can see, the woman admits right up front that she took this from
another persons thoughts, and also acknowledged that there was only partial
acceptance by many thus leaving to unvarnished truth present that not every
man believed this, or that it was based on scripture. A short example of
which was their statement on Mat 16:16 and the disagreement by God that what
they acclaimed is a false statement.
Short sightedness does not truth establish.
A friend of Jesus does not shun His truths.
(in article<63517a5f$0$2255$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
> Robert who seeks help in understanding scripture ponders:
Here you are pondering to a false allusion in your mind as nothing I
mentioned was found in scripture.
>
>
> > There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
> > There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
> Because the question has afalse presumption. The question determines,ie.
> steers toward the desired answer.
Oh? Like your false presumption of my needing help with scripture in regards
to the dogma of men?
>
>
> The bible in fact is full of creeds. A creed is a statement of an accepted
> matter of faith or practice by which a believer is identified and by which
> one divides himself from errror. See the link below for creeds in
> scripture.
What you just described is a doctrine of men, not of God.
Did not the Lord say,...
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil
fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that
bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore
by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Mat 7:16-20)
In other words, "Faith without works is dead".
>
>
> Look at about any churches' web page, find their "what we believe" or some
> such and you have found their creed. Most of them derive from church
> councils after about 1500 AD in europe; if they are of the protestant
> flavor. Many newer groups of the 20th century had their own councils when
> they originated .
>
> One such creed was declared by the 1st church council in Acts as to matters
> of faith and practice of whom and how one joins the church that had arisen
> to divide believers . The council arived at a statement of a creed by
> which all churches were bound.
That is a false statement. No one was bound by their decree as I have pointed
out via scripture many times. Now was a method established by how one joins a
church. That is a ridiculous statement. Not of God.
>
> Later coucils following the exampln in Acts did likewise for matters of
> faith and practice that arose in their time. The two mentioned above are
> examples that met in the early church.
Nope, not at all, and your point has never been established or backed up in
scripture.
>
>
> The NT is full of such creeds, most but not always found in the letters
> and/or recorded discussions during visits to local church areas.. As the
> church spread Paul and others solved divisive matters of faith and practice
> that arose in local areas by declaring a creed concerning it.
Where is there any evidence of that? Since when did man have any say about
matters of Faith, truth or practice? Is not King Jesus the ruler in such
matters? Is not His Kingdom His to decide? Is there not an ekklesia of God
and a church of man?
>
>
> Here is a discussion of the many creeds found in the NT:
>
> Bible Creeds | Christian.net
>
> https://christian.net/resources/bible-creeds/
Evidently you do not have and eye for discernment.
"The following scripture passages are considered by many to be creeds or
declarations of faith. These are taken from both Lieth’s Schaff’s books
to which I have read."
Considered by man, not established, IOW by God. Case in point, they declared
Mat 16:16 to be a creed of man. Yet that is to be disputed by scripture
following.
Mat 16:16-20
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for
flesh and blood hath not revealed itunto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was
Jesus the Christ.
Read V 17 as to whom it was that revealed it. Was it Mano y Mano? Nope.
Other stuff they decreed as being a creed of Man was first established in the
scripture, and followed up by mens admittance as to the veracity of the
scripture.
As you can see, the woman admits right up front that she took this from
another persons thoughts, and also acknowledged that there was only partial
acceptance by many thus leaving to unvarnished truth present that not every
man believed this, or that it was based on scripture. A short example of
which was their statement on Mat 16:16 and the disagreement by God that what
they acclaimed is a false statement.
Short sightedness does not truth establish.
A friend of Jesus does not shun His truths.
pyotr filipivich
Oct 23, 2022, 7:26:56 PM10/23/22
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 15:09:48 -0700
>(in article<f109khl5r8k7m9s3j...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
>> > > > > belief]
>> > > > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>> > >
>> > > Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> > > preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>> >
>> > No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which
>> > Jesus
>> > brought to the world.
>>
>> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
>> >
>> > He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>> > the Lord.
>>
>> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>>
>> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>> believes.
>> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>> follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
>Is it a command of the Lord, or a decree of a religion?
Both.
It really can't be that hard for you to grasp, can it? Are you
really that stuck in that you cannot grasp that "creed" merely means
"I believe"?
Or is it that you do not actually believe anything? Because that
does seem to be your creed, never mind the word which seems to cause
an irrational response in you.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."
typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Oct 10, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>(in article<f109khl5r8k7m9s3j...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 18:16:34 -0700
>> typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> >
>> > > > > I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of
>> >
>> > > > > belief]
>> > > > Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>> > >
>> > > Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> > > preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>> >
>> > No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which
>> > Jesus
>> > brought to the world.
>>
>> And once again. poor Robert asks for help.
>> >
>> > He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
>> > the Lord.
>>
>> Yes "You must be born again" is a commandment.
>>
>> Do Robert believe it? Then it is a "credo", something one
>> believes.
>> Is it necessary to believe that it is a commandment which one must
>> follow? If so, then it is a "dogma" of ones religion.
>
>Is it a command of the Lord, or a decree of a religion?
Both.
It really can't be that hard for you to grasp, can it? Are you
really that stuck in that you cannot grasp that "creed" merely means
"I believe"?
Or is it that you do not actually believe anything? Because that
does seem to be your creed, never mind the word which seems to cause
an irrational response in you.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."
Dr. Who
Oct 23, 2022, 8:27:53 PM10/23/22
to
On Oct 23, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<dajblht2u67h5t12a...@4ax.com>):
There is only one religion that was ordained by God, that was Judaism. It was
for a chosen people at a chosen time.
There are commands of God given to men. The sole authority over all things,
people, places, and time. The highest authority, spiritual, and for this
world as well.
There are dogma's and decree's originated by men for men. There are religions
originated by men for men.
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit
the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted
from the world.” (Jas 1:27)
You, like your sister in the Orthodox religion claim a lot about me, yet
without any knowledge. I have freely spoken, and said what I have, but you,
like her, and others have read not what I wrote clearly, but filtered it all
via the stronghold of your minds and trained visions. Same way that you read
and understand scripture. Through filters.
What you all find difficult to accept is the Lord, His Way, His Truth and His
Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
and Ressurection?
Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
RC's? Nope.
Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
What then were they?
>
>
> It really can't be that hard for you to grasp, can it? Are you
> really that stuck in that you cannot grasp that "creed" merely means
> "I believe"?
> Or is it that you do not actually believe anything? Because that
> does seem to be your creed, never mind the word which seems to cause
> an irrational response in you.
You have yet to hear and understand what I have said. If you had then you
could not only point out my words and understandings, but their flaws or
correctness. That is, if you actually had a base to stand on.
None of you have a base or a rock to stand on, which is why you float from
one religion to the next. You migrate from one philosophy of men to the next
based on your liquid emotions. You do not even have the strength of your own
convictions to stand on, whether they be right or wrong, you only have
pretense. Which is why you are cold and calloused to the spiritual life of
others and cannot evangelize for it, or God.
“I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert
cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I
will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev 3:15-16)
(in article<dajblht2u67h5t12a...@4ax.com>):
for a chosen people at a chosen time.
There are commands of God given to men. The sole authority over all things,
people, places, and time. The highest authority, spiritual, and for this
world as well.
There are dogma's and decree's originated by men for men. There are religions
originated by men for men.
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit
the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted
from the world.” (Jas 1:27)
You, like your sister in the Orthodox religion claim a lot about me, yet
without any knowledge. I have freely spoken, and said what I have, but you,
like her, and others have read not what I wrote clearly, but filtered it all
via the stronghold of your minds and trained visions. Same way that you read
and understand scripture. Through filters.
What you all find difficult to accept is the Lord, His Way, His Truth and His
Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
and Ressurection?
Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
RC's? Nope.
Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
What then were they?
>
>
> It really can't be that hard for you to grasp, can it? Are you
> really that stuck in that you cannot grasp that "creed" merely means
> "I believe"?
> Or is it that you do not actually believe anything? Because that
> does seem to be your creed, never mind the word which seems to cause
> an irrational response in you.
could not only point out my words and understandings, but their flaws or
correctness. That is, if you actually had a base to stand on.
None of you have a base or a rock to stand on, which is why you float from
one religion to the next. You migrate from one philosophy of men to the next
based on your liquid emotions. You do not even have the strength of your own
convictions to stand on, whether they be right or wrong, you only have
pretense. Which is why you are cold and calloused to the spiritual life of
others and cannot evangelize for it, or God.
“I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert
cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I
will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev 3:15-16)
pyotr filipivich
Dec 29, 2022, 9:00:34 AM12/29/22
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:27:39 -0700
To sum up: Robert has to dance around the fact that he alone was
given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
definition everyone else is wrong.
given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
definition everyone else is wrong.
Dr. Who
Dec 29, 2022, 10:44:28 AM12/29/22
to
On Dec 29, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
(in article<i37rqh5oip5n9p8ul...@4ax.com>):
Nope, too bad you are so ignorant of what constitutes a religion, and so
falsely assume everyone follows some religion.
Judaism is the only religion that was God ordained. You can read all about it
in the OT. Now, brainy boy, show us the equivelent of it in the NT. K?
(in article<i37rqh5oip5n9p8ul...@4ax.com>):
falsely assume everyone follows some religion.
Judaism is the only religion that was God ordained. You can read all about it
in the OT. Now, brainy boy, show us the equivelent of it in the NT. K?
P+Barker
Dec 29, 2022, 3:07:54 PM12/29/22
to
pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:27:39 -0700
>Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:27:39 -0700
>>What you all find difficult to accept is the Lord, His Way, His Truth and His
>>Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
>>worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
>>
>>Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
>>and Ressurection?
>>Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
>>RC's? Nope.
>>Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
>>What then were they?
>
> To sum up: Robert has to dance around the fact that he alone was
>given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
>definition everyone else is wrong.
Yup.
>>Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
>>worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
>>
>>Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
>>and Ressurection?
>>Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
>>RC's? Nope.
>>Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
>>What then were they?
>
> To sum up: Robert has to dance around the fact that he alone was
>given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
>definition everyone else is wrong.
Dr. Who
Dec 29, 2022, 4:38:43 PM12/29/22
to
On Dec 29, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<qqsrqhdantoectn1n...@4ax.com>):
You both miss the point. A relationship with Jesus Christ is between him and
the person who believes in him. He is the sole supplier of salvation. Gods
relationship with the individual is never dependent on any religion. It is
through Christ, and God sent the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth and be
our comforter.
Jesus Christ is the door. The door way to eternal life with God. There is no
other way.
Joh 10:7-18 (KJV)
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the
door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not
hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go
in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am
come that they might have life, and that they might have itmore abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are
not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf
catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the
sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep,and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my
life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must
bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, andone
shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay
it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received
of my Father.
============================
John 14:6(KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.
Nothing is between the Born Again Believer and Him.
(in article<qqsrqhdantoectn1n...@4ax.com>):
the person who believes in him. He is the sole supplier of salvation. Gods
relationship with the individual is never dependent on any religion. It is
through Christ, and God sent the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth and be
our comforter.
Jesus Christ is the door. The door way to eternal life with God. There is no
other way.
Joh 10:7-18 (KJV)
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the
door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not
hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go
in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am
come that they might have life, and that they might have itmore abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are
not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf
catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the
sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep,and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my
life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must
bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, andone
shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay
it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received
of my Father.
============================
John 14:6(KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.
Nothing is between the Born Again Believer and Him.
P+Barker
Dec 30, 2022, 7:27:17 AM12/30/22
to
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:38:42 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
>On Dec 29, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<qqsrqhdantoectn1n...@4ax.com>):
>
>> pyotr filipivich<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:27:39 -0700
>>
>> > > What you all find difficult to accept is the Lord, His Way, His Truth and
>> > > His
>> > > Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
>> > > worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
>> > >
>> > > Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
>> > > and Ressurection?
>> > > Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
>> > > RC's? Nope.
>> > > Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
>> > > What then were they?
>> >
>> > To sum up: Robert has to dance around the fact that he alone was
>> > given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
>> > definition everyone else is wrong.
>>
>> Yup.
>
>You both miss the point. A relationship with Jesus Christ is between him and
>the person who believes in him. He is the sole supplier of salvation. Gods
>relationship with the individual is never dependent on any religion.
And it certainly does not depend on you - bobbo - on what and how we
worship our creator.
Stop preaching your silly crap here.
Allow us to create our own relationship with God.
We do not need you to tell us how.
wrote:
>On Dec 29, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<qqsrqhdantoectn1n...@4ax.com>):
>
>> pyotr filipivich<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:27:39 -0700
>>
>> > > What you all find difficult to accept is the Lord, His Way, His Truth and
>> > > His
>> > > Life. So you all follow seemingly alternative ways so as to pretend you
>> > > worship God, and God alone. Yet you bring in religions, Saints, etc.
>> > >
>> > > Tell us of what religion were the redeemed of the Lord following His Death
>> > > and Ressurection?
>> > > Protestors of the RCC? Nope.
>> > > RC's? Nope.
>> > > Were any one of them spiritually of this world? Nope.
>> > > What then were they?
>> >
>> > To sum up: Robert has to dance around the fact that he alone was
>> > given his religion, he had no one who came before him, and by
>> > definition everyone else is wrong.
>>
>> Yup.
>
>You both miss the point. A relationship with Jesus Christ is between him and
>the person who believes in him. He is the sole supplier of salvation. Gods
>relationship with the individual is never dependent on any religion.
worship our creator.
Stop preaching your silly crap here.
Allow us to create our own relationship with God.
We do not need you to tell us how.
Dr. Who
Dec 30, 2022, 1:45:52 PM12/30/22
to
On Dec 30, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<q5mtqhl0q0dafhbo8...@4ax.com>):
You cannot create any relationship with the true God. That would assume that
you are in control. You are not. It is His way, or the highway to hell and
then the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torture.
You need someone to point you to scripture of God and not that of mankind.
You then need to allow the Spirit of God to talk to you with open ears so
that you can understand the scripture in your guts.
I did not write the Bible, the word that I "preach" there. It is from God, to
you.
Do you really want to die in your sins?
(in article<q5mtqhl0q0dafhbo8...@4ax.com>):
you are in control. You are not. It is His way, or the highway to hell and
then the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torture.
You need someone to point you to scripture of God and not that of mankind.
You then need to allow the Spirit of God to talk to you with open ears so
that you can understand the scripture in your guts.
I did not write the Bible, the word that I "preach" there. It is from God, to
you.
Do you really want to die in your sins?
P+Barker
Dec 30, 2022, 3:37:30 PM12/30/22
to
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 10:45:50 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
Then.... why are you here?
Why do you feel you can preach to me?
You are not in control.
>You need someone to point you to scripture of God and not that of mankind.
Why?
Do you feel everyone is below you and you can teach us?
>You then need to allow the Spirit of God to talk to you with open ears so
>that you can understand the scripture in your guts.
I don't need you to tell me this.
>I did not write the Bible, the word that I "preach" there. It is from God, to
>you.
>Do you really want to die in your sins?
You obviously wish to die in your sin: PRIDE.
Why do you feel you can preach to me?
You are not in control.
>You need someone to point you to scripture of God and not that of mankind.
Do you feel everyone is below you and you can teach us?
>You then need to allow the Spirit of God to talk to you with open ears so
>that you can understand the scripture in your guts.
>I did not write the Bible, the word that I "preach" there. It is from God, to
>you.
>Do you really want to die in your sins?
Rod
Jan 1, 2023, 5:07:21 PM1/1/23
to
On 10/9/2022 8:16 PM, Dr. Who wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> (in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
>>> (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
a clear mind in a sinless state.
> On Oct 9, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
> (in article<9c5499ef-dd27-4dd5...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:04:04 PM UTC+10, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
>>> (in article<daa0e7b0-2a30-46c6...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+10, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article<tdmu2r$1a63m$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!!
>>>>>> There is no Apostles Creed to be found in scripture.
>>>>>> There is no Nicene Creed of any variant to be found in scripture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
> No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
> brought to the world.
>
>>>> I can think of three that may be regarded as creeds [statements of belief]
>>> Yet a creed salvation does not bring.
>>
>> Paul does say "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I
>> preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1Co 15:2
>
> No creed is mentioned nor inferred there. It speaks of the Gospel which Jesus
> brought to the world.
>
> He did say, "You must be born again." Is that a creed? Or a commandment from
> the Lord.
It is neither. It's the LORDS will; the need for a changed heart and
> the Lord.
a clear mind in a sinless state.
Dr. Who
Jan 1, 2023, 8:42:45 PM1/1/23
to
On Jan 1, 2023, Rod wrote
(in article <tot06n$1h0ii$1...@dont-email.me>):
Joh 3:3-7 (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water andofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
In other words, it is imperative that a man in order to see the Kingdom of
God, they then must be Born Again. V3 and 7
According to Jesus there is no other way possible to See it.
If a person does not want to see it, then the commandment means nothing to
them and does not apply.
(in article <tot06n$1h0ii$1...@dont-email.me>):
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water andofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
In other words, it is imperative that a man in order to see the Kingdom of
God, they then must be Born Again. V3 and 7
According to Jesus there is no other way possible to See it.
If a person does not want to see it, then the commandment means nothing to
them and does not apply.
Dr. Who
Jan 3, 2023, 2:10:27 PM1/3/23
to
On Jan 3, 2023, servant wrote
(in article<63b46f6f$0$2250$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
> Hmm, interesting question. Given the poster's practice to tend to dictate
> what one must do for salvation and throw in a bit of scripture, he answers
> by his own example.
>
> If we were to keep a list of such dictates we would soon have his creed as
> foundd in his take on the bible, no?
>
> That would be his "I beleve" list,ie creed.
I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown by
the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
Therefor to break it down simply for you, what I believe and hold to be true
is not something that you must follow, especially because I said it.
A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
What the Bible speaks, God dictates, His heaven, his rules,
The Scripture cannot be broken, John 7:38
(in article<63b46f6f$0$2250$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
> Hmm, interesting question. Given the poster's practice to tend to dictate
> what one must do for salvation and throw in a bit of scripture, he answers
> by his own example.
>
> If we were to keep a list of such dictates we would soon have his creed as
> foundd in his take on the bible, no?
>
> That would be his "I beleve" list,ie creed.
I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown by
the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
Therefor to break it down simply for you, what I believe and hold to be true
is not something that you must follow, especially because I said it.
A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
What the Bible speaks, God dictates, His heaven, his rules,
The Scripture cannot be broken, John 7:38
P+Barker
Jan 3, 2023, 3:12:32 PM1/3/23
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
Another BS lie from bobbo.
>A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
A creed is merely a lsit of beliefs.
Dr. Who
Jan 3, 2023, 3:35:59 PM1/3/23
to
On Jan 3, 2023, P+Barker wrote
(in article<6039rhhd6jdn3t44o...@4ax.com>):
That to be a RC you must subscribe to.
And in the early days of the RCC, or die.
(in article<6039rhhd6jdn3t44o...@4ax.com>):
And in the early days of the RCC, or die.
Dr. Who
Jan 3, 2023, 4:37:36 PM1/3/23
to
On Jan 3, 2023, servant wrote
(in article<63b4906d$0$2251$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
> > > Hmm, interesting question. Given the poster's practice to tend to dictate
> > > what one must do for salvation and throw in a bit of scripture, he answers
> > > by his own example.
> > >
> > > If we were to keep a list of such dictates we would soon have his creed as
> > > foundd in his take on the bible, no?
> > >
> > > That would be his "I beleve" list,ie creed.
>
> > I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown
> > by
> > the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
>
> Nope, the word dictionary source I used had:
> > I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown
> > by
> > the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
>
>
> creed (n.) Old English creda "article or statement of Christian belief,
> confession of faith," from Latin credo "I believe"
Yes, according to the daffynition you chose, but you did not include all it
and omitted the part you did not like.
You stated that the word came from the Latin word, Credo,
crēdo transitive and intransitive verb III conjugation
View the declension of this word
(https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-dictionary-flexion.php?lemma=C
REDO100)
1 to trust, to entrust
2 to commit, to consign
3 to believe, to trust in, to rely on, to confide
4 to suppose
5 (money) to lend to, to make loans, to give credit
6 to believe, to think, to accept as true, to be sure
>
> > What the Bible speaks, God dictates, His heaven, his rules,
> > The Scripture cannot be broken, John 7:38
Q:On Sundays and holy days of obligation, we recite the Nicene Creed. We
> > What the Bible speaks, God dictates, His heaven, his rules,
> > The Scripture cannot be broken, John 7:38
begin by saying, “We believe in one God….” Although this is the first
person plural, this prayer’s Latin text reads “Credo” (“I believe,”
first person singular). Who made this change and by what authority?
A: What we commonly call the Creed is technically called a Profession of
Faith. That is the heading used in the Sacramentary, the liturgical book used
by the priest for prayers at Mass.
You are correct that the Latin text indicates the first person singular.
Whose faith, however, is being professed at Mass—that of an individual,
isolated believer or that of many believers sharing a common faith?
Historically, the Profession of Faith was written for an adult about to
receive the Sacrament of Baptism. From memory, he or she recited this prayer
to show an acceptance of what the Church believes. Only an individual person
could pray that Profession of Faith.
====================================
It is a requirement.
What Is the Nicene Creed and Why Is It Important?
The term “creed” comes from the Latin word “credo,” which translates
to “I believe.” A creed is a commitment to a specific belief, and the
Catechism of the Catholic Church
(https://catholicworldmission.org/catholic-church-timeline/) identifies a
creed as a symbol of faith.
The Catholic Church recognizes three creeds, including the Apostles’ Creed,
Athanasian Creed and the Nicene-Constantinople Creed. The Apostles’ Creed
and Nicene Creed are more common in the Church. On the other hand, the
lesser-known Athanasian Creed is rare within the Church.
================================================
Flat straight out, this is a document of man, a religious document of a
religion that one prescribed to.
It is NOT a statement of ones personal belief that was God ordained.
It is a statement of beliefs that is prescribed by the church. To Prove that
point the higher ups in religions of men argued these points as to what was
correct or not, modified them over the centuries, and even still some have
difficulties with parts of it, that are fully part of what a person states
when they say, "I or WE Believe". You are not considered a Christian if you
cannot or will not swear to believe the creed.
By simply swearing this oath that you believe the Creed you are following the
whims of men. Which pretends to be ordained of the Bible. Are some parts of
it biblical? Yes, but not all of it, and the adherents do not really know
where in the Bible such points are made or denied. Again, therefor, they are
repeating a creed and their faith is in the originators of that Creed, not
the Bible, Not the word of God, but of pontificating man. The "WE" PART
throws you into a mass and is not of a personal nature.
============================================================
Who Wrote the Catholic Nicene Creed?
The original Nicene Creed dates back to 325 at the First Council of Nicaea,
the first ecumenical council of the Christian Church that met in ancient
Nicaea, now known as Iznik, Turkey. Emperor Constantine I called the council,
presiding over the opening session and participating in the discussion.
Constantine hoped a council would help solve the issues resulting from
Arianism, a heresy proposed by Arius of Alexandria suggesting Christ was not
divine but a created being. The council quickly condemned Arius and
incorporated the nonspiritual word “homoousios,” meaning “of one
substance,” into a creed, signifying the equality of the Son with the
Father. Constantine exiled Arius for his heretical beliefs.
While the Council of Nicaea promulgated the Creed of Nicaea in 325, the
Council of Constantinople in 381 expanded it. The goal was to bring the Creed
of Nicaea up to date regarding heresies related to the incarnation and the
Holy Spirit, which arose at the Council of Nicaea.
What Is the Meaning of the Nicene Creed for Catholics?
While the Nicene Creed is meaningful as a whole, understanding each line can
help us strengthen our relationship with God and understand the importance of
reciting the Nicene Creed.
=====================================================
Clearly this is a product of man and their religious decree. This is the
belief of men and their basis for declaring others heretics. This CANNOT
strengthen anyones relationship with God, but only the religious church of
man, have a form of Godliness, but putting their power to it, not God.
You religious fanatics have been conned, and dare not read the Bible, the
Word of God, lest you be condemned in your own heart. That is why the pseudo
christian lets others read it, so that God cannot speak to them directly.
Just like the Israelis in the desert did "lest they die". Problem is, you are
already dead in your trespasses and sins and your think this is a way of
placating God with your pretense of righteousness. So you are comfortable
sitting there in a pot of tepid water and when it comes to a boil and you
die, only to fully waken to your spiritual eternal death does it hit you full
force and you see your proverbial 70 virgins are all well used and diseased
whores cackling at you with their shrill voices for an eternity.
P+Barker
Jan 3, 2023, 6:28:24 PM1/3/23
to
On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 12:35:57 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
>On Jan 3, 2023, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<6039rhhd6jdn3t44o...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>
>> > A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
>>
>> Another BS lie from bobbo.
>> A creed is merely a lsit of beliefs.
>
>That to be a RC you must subscribe to.
Minimum requirements for you to claim to be a member.
If you don't wish to believe the creed, go someplace else.
dwain is always looking for more followers.
along with Jim Bakker, ....
A
A. A. Allen (1911–1970)
Mother Angelica (1923–2016)
Ernest Angley (1921–2021)
John Ankerberg (born 1945)
Garner Ted Armstrong (1930–2003)
Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986)
Kay Arthur (born 1933)
B
Jim Bakker (born 1940)
Tammy Faye Bakker (1942–2007)
Doug Batchelor (born 1957)
Todd Bentley (born 1976)
Reinhard Bonnke (1940–2019)
Juanita Bynum (born 1959)
C
Christine Caine (born 1966)
Harold Camping (1921–2013)
Morris Cerullo (1931–2020)
Twinkie Clark (born 1954)
Bayless Conley (born 1955)
Kenneth Copeland (born 1936)
John Corapi (born 1947)
Percy Crawford (1902–1960)
Jan Crouch (1938–2016)
Paul Crouch (1934–2013)
D
Billy Joe Daugherty (1952–2009)
Gregory Dickow (born 1964)
Creflo Dollar (born 1962)
Richard Dortch (1931–2011)
Jesse Duplantis (born 1949)
E
Frederick J. Eikerenkoetter II (1935–2009), better known as Reverend
Ike
F
Jerry Falwell Sr. (1933–2007)
Mark Finley (born 1945)
Jentezen Franklin (born 1962)
Robert J. Fox (1927–2009)
Steven Furtick (born 1980)
G
Anne Graham (born 1948)
Billy Graham (1918–2018)
Franklin Graham (born 1952)
Jack Graham (born 1950)
Robert Grant (born 1936)
W.V. Grant (born 1945)
H
John Hagee (born 1940)
Kenneth E. Hagin (1917–2003)
Billy James Hargis (1925–2004)
Jack Hayford (born 1934)
Kong Hee (born 1964)
Dag Heward-Mills (born 1963)
Marilyn Hickey (born 1931)
Benny Hinn (born 1952)
Bobbie Houston (born 1957)
Brian Houston (born 1954)
Rex Humbard (1919–2007)
J
Orval Lee Jaggers (1916–2004)
T.D. Jakes (born 1957)
T.B. Joshua (1963–2021)
Leroy Jenkins (1934–2017)
Robert Jeffress (born 1955)
David Jeremiah (born 1941)
James F. Jones (1907–1971)
E. Bernard Jordan (born 1959)
Noel Jones (born 1950)
K
Bill Keller (born 1958)
D. James Kennedy (1930–2007)
Ben Kinchlow (1936–2019)
Kathryn Kuhlman (1907–1976)
K. K. Kalunga (born 1999)
L
Bob Larson (born 1944)
Marcus Lamb (1957–2021)
Greg Laurie (born 1952)
Larry Lea (born 1951)
Hal Lindsey (born 1929)
Eddie L. Long (1953–2017)
Max Lucado (born 1955)
Gilbert Lumoindong (born 1966)
M
John F. MacArthur (born 1939)
James MacDonald (born 1960)
Guillermo Maldonado (born 1965)
Ray McCauley (born 1949)
Clarence McClendon (born 1965)
Joyce Meyer (born 1943)
Beth Moore (born 1957)
Myles Munroe (1954–2014)
Mike Murdock (born 1946)
Arnold Murray (1929–2014)
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Zakir Naik (born 1965)
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Albert Odulele (born 1964)
T.L. Osborn (1923–2013)
Joel Osteen (born 1963)
John Osteen (1921–1999)
Paul Osteen (born 1955)
Chris Oyakhilome (born 1963)
P
Luis Palau (1934–2021)
Rod Parsley (born 1957)
Earl Paulk (1927–2009)
Carlton Pearson (born 1953)
Michael Pitts (born 1964)
Peter Popoff (born 1946)
Frederick K. C. Price (1932–2021)
Derek Prince (1915–2003)
Joseph Prince (born 1963)
Q
Apollo Quiboloy (born 1950)
R
Daniel S. Razón (born 1967)
Oral Roberts (1918–2009)
Richard Roberts (born 1948)
Gordon P. Robertson (born 1958)
Pat Robertson (born 1930)
James Robison (born 1943)
Samuel Rodriguez (born 1969)
Adrian Rogers (1931–2005)
Richard Rossi (born 1963)
S
Jerry Savelle (born 1946)
R.W. Schambach (1926–2012)
Bobby Schuller (born 1981)
Robert A. Schuller (born 1954)
Robert H. Schuller (1926–2015)
Gene Scott (1929–2005)
Fulton Sheen (1895–1979)
Kerry Shook (born 1962)
Ralph Sockman (1889–1970)
Eliseo Soriano (1947–2021)
Andy Stanley (born 1958)
Charles Stanley (born 1932)
Don Stewart (born 1939)
Lester Sumrall (1913–1996)
Jimmy Swaggart (born 1935)
Charles Swindoll (born 1934)
T
Robert Tilton (born 1946)
Casey Treat (born 1955)
U
Uebert Angel (born 1978)
V
George Vandeman (1916–2000)
Jack Van Impe (1931–2020)
Eddie Villanueva (born 1946)
W
Rick Warren (born 1954)
Paula White (born 1966)
Jim Whittington (born 1941)
Andrew Wommack (born 1949)
Bill Winston (born 1943)
Jack Wyrtzen (1913–1996)
Y
Homer Edwin Young (born 1936)
Ed Young (born 1961)
Michael Youssef (born 1948)
wrote:
>On Jan 3, 2023, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<6039rhhd6jdn3t44o...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>
>> > A creed is something that you must swear to uphold.
>>
>> Another BS lie from bobbo.
>> A creed is merely a lsit of beliefs.
>
>That to be a RC you must subscribe to.
If you don't wish to believe the creed, go someplace else.
dwain is always looking for more followers.
along with Jim Bakker, ....
A
A. A. Allen (1911–1970)
Mother Angelica (1923–2016)
Ernest Angley (1921–2021)
John Ankerberg (born 1945)
Garner Ted Armstrong (1930–2003)
Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986)
Kay Arthur (born 1933)
B
Jim Bakker (born 1940)
Tammy Faye Bakker (1942–2007)
Doug Batchelor (born 1957)
Todd Bentley (born 1976)
Reinhard Bonnke (1940–2019)
Juanita Bynum (born 1959)
C
Christine Caine (born 1966)
Harold Camping (1921–2013)
Morris Cerullo (1931–2020)
Twinkie Clark (born 1954)
Bayless Conley (born 1955)
Kenneth Copeland (born 1936)
John Corapi (born 1947)
Percy Crawford (1902–1960)
Jan Crouch (1938–2016)
Paul Crouch (1934–2013)
D
Billy Joe Daugherty (1952–2009)
Gregory Dickow (born 1964)
Creflo Dollar (born 1962)
Richard Dortch (1931–2011)
Jesse Duplantis (born 1949)
E
Frederick J. Eikerenkoetter II (1935–2009), better known as Reverend
Ike
F
Jerry Falwell Sr. (1933–2007)
Mark Finley (born 1945)
Jentezen Franklin (born 1962)
Robert J. Fox (1927–2009)
Steven Furtick (born 1980)
G
Anne Graham (born 1948)
Billy Graham (1918–2018)
Franklin Graham (born 1952)
Jack Graham (born 1950)
Robert Grant (born 1936)
W.V. Grant (born 1945)
H
John Hagee (born 1940)
Kenneth E. Hagin (1917–2003)
Billy James Hargis (1925–2004)
Jack Hayford (born 1934)
Kong Hee (born 1964)
Dag Heward-Mills (born 1963)
Marilyn Hickey (born 1931)
Benny Hinn (born 1952)
Bobbie Houston (born 1957)
Brian Houston (born 1954)
Rex Humbard (1919–2007)
J
Orval Lee Jaggers (1916–2004)
T.D. Jakes (born 1957)
T.B. Joshua (1963–2021)
Leroy Jenkins (1934–2017)
Robert Jeffress (born 1955)
David Jeremiah (born 1941)
James F. Jones (1907–1971)
E. Bernard Jordan (born 1959)
Noel Jones (born 1950)
K
Bill Keller (born 1958)
D. James Kennedy (1930–2007)
Ben Kinchlow (1936–2019)
Kathryn Kuhlman (1907–1976)
K. K. Kalunga (born 1999)
L
Bob Larson (born 1944)
Marcus Lamb (1957–2021)
Greg Laurie (born 1952)
Larry Lea (born 1951)
Hal Lindsey (born 1929)
Eddie L. Long (1953–2017)
Max Lucado (born 1955)
Gilbert Lumoindong (born 1966)
M
John F. MacArthur (born 1939)
James MacDonald (born 1960)
Guillermo Maldonado (born 1965)
Ray McCauley (born 1949)
Clarence McClendon (born 1965)
Joyce Meyer (born 1943)
Beth Moore (born 1957)
Myles Munroe (1954–2014)
Mike Murdock (born 1946)
Arnold Murray (1929–2014)
N
Zakir Naik (born 1965)
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 13:37:34 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
>On Jan 3, 2023, servant wrote
>(in article<63b4906d$0$2251$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
>>
>> > > Hmm, interesting question. Given the poster's practice to tend to dictate
>> > > what one must do for salvation and throw in a bit of scripture, he answers
>> > > by his own example.
>> > >
>> > > If we were to keep a list of such dictates we would soon have his creed as
>> > > foundd in his take on the bible, no?
>> > >
>> > > That would be his "I beleve" list,ie creed.
>> Trying to get off his backfoot:
>>
>> > I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown
>> > by
>> > the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
>>
>> Nope, the word dictionary source I used had:
>>
>> creed (n.) Old English creda "article or statement of Christian belief,
>> confession of faith," from Latin credo "I believe"
>
>Yes, according to the daffynition you chose, but you did not include all it
>and omitted the part you did not like.
I don't use your daffy definition.
It is stupid, and a lie.
>You stated that the word came from the Latin word, Credo,
>cr?do transitive and intransitive verb III conjugation
OK.
>
>View the declension of this word
>(https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-dictionary-flexion.php?lemma=C
>REDO100)
>1 to trust, to entrust
>2 to commit, to consign
>3 to believe, to trust in, to rely on, to confide
>4 to suppose
>5 (money) to lend to, to make loans, to give credit
>6 to believe, to think, to accept as true, to be sure
I don't use your daffy definition.
It is stupid, and a lie.
>Q:On Sundays and holy days of obligation, we recite the Nicene Creed. We
>begin by saying, “We believe in one God….” Although this is the first
>person plural, this prayer’s Latin text reads “Credo” (“I believe,”
>first person singular). Who made this change and by what authority?
I believe, you believe, they believe, we believe, you believe, they
believe.
wrote:
>On Jan 3, 2023, servant wrote
>(in article<63b4906d$0$2251$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
>>
>> > > Hmm, interesting question. Given the poster's practice to tend to dictate
>> > > what one must do for salvation and throw in a bit of scripture, he answers
>> > > by his own example.
>> > >
>> > > If we were to keep a list of such dictates we would soon have his creed as
>> > > foundd in his take on the bible, no?
>> > >
>> > > That would be his "I beleve" list,ie creed.
>> Trying to get off his backfoot:
>>
>> > I believe, the statement has nothing to do with a creed, as you were shown
>> > by
>> > the latin definition of Creda the latin word for Creed.
>>
>> Nope, the word dictionary source I used had:
>>
>> creed (n.) Old English creda "article or statement of Christian belief,
>> confession of faith," from Latin credo "I believe"
>
>Yes, according to the daffynition you chose, but you did not include all it
>and omitted the part you did not like.
It is stupid, and a lie.
>You stated that the word came from the Latin word, Credo,
OK.
>
>View the declension of this word
>(https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-dictionary-flexion.php?lemma=C
>REDO100)
>1 to trust, to entrust
>2 to commit, to consign
>3 to believe, to trust in, to rely on, to confide
>4 to suppose
>5 (money) to lend to, to make loans, to give credit
>6 to believe, to think, to accept as true, to be sure
It is stupid, and a lie.
>Q:On Sundays and holy days of obligation, we recite the Nicene Creed. We
>begin by saying, “We believe in one God….” Although this is the first
>person plural, this prayer’s Latin text reads “Credo” (“I believe,”
>first person singular). Who made this change and by what authority?
believe.
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