Re: NOVEL DUNDALK CHURCH TO FOLLOW TRADITION: Clerics will hark back to old-style liturgy
++
Why don't you just join the orthodox Church? Why pretend to be orthodox
when you actually can be Orthodox. Why pretend to be in the Eastern
Orthodox tradition in your own mind when yo can be in the Eastern
Orthodox tradition in reality? Why are you encouraging other people to
join something fake when you and they can join something real?
Alternately, if you are just making your own relgion out of bits and
pieces of religions you have read about or experienced or seen on TV or
heard on the radio, a time honored American tradition, why pretend to be
Orthodox when you are not? With thousands of home made religions, and
Baltimore is especially full of them, why must you pretend to be other
than what you are?
Or, alternately, why not just join us. Ask yourself what there is about
Orthodoxy that so draws you to our Faith, and then ask yourself why you
feel you will not be welcome. Then, make the decision. Every boy takes
his own time leaving the land of make believe for reality, I know as a
mother.
With regards to Baltimore and Dundalk,
Galina
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> NOVEL DUNDALK CHURCH TO FOLLOW TRADITION
>
> Clerics will hark back to old-style liturgy
>
> by Steve Pingel
> The Dundalk Eagle, 7/3/08
>
> This week, St. Peter Evangelical Lutheran Church on Eastern Avenue
> became the newest site of the North American Old Catholic Church. The
> idea, according to a June 25 press release, is to reach out to
> "younger unchurched, and to older, traditional Catholics."
>
> St. Andrew the First-Called Orthodox Church will operate out of the
> St. Peter chapel.
>
> Additionally, the FutureCare NorthPoint center on Old North Point Road
> will host the Most Holy Theotokos Orthodox Church, a parochial mission
> that will offer services to FutureCare residents.
>
> The liturgies being offered are the same ones used by Eastern
> Christians during the early days of the church, dated as far back as
> 400 A.D.
>
> "We have established a good working relationship with Pastor Bob
> Harvey at St. Peter," said the Very Rev. Daniel J. Garguillio, pastor
> at both Dundalk sites and abbot of the Holy Cross Monastery, whose
> clerics will staff the locations. "And since St. Andrew the Apostle
> was the brother of St. Peter, it seemed a more than apt location for
> [St. Andrew]."
>
> Most Holy Theotokos is at FutureCare, he said, because "many of the
> clergy of the North American Old Catholic Church are involved in
> nursing home ministry, as a way of reaching out to people who are
> often marginalized and forgotten by society."
>
> The Old Catholic Church is a Christian denomination whose originating
> churches split from the Roman Catholic Church more than a century ago.
>
> Garguillio feels there is an attraction for ancient prayer that steps
> away from "modernized" worship, which is why the parish will offer the
> liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.
>
> "Our solemn, respected and chanted liturgy appeals to, and therefore
> brings Christianity to, Goths, Renaissance Faire enthusiasts and many
> other individuals who may just feel that the worship of God should
> look like something other than an entertainment event," something that
> people "just can't get anywhere else," Garguillio wrote in an e-mail.
>
> "Beyond that," he continued, "let's face it: being able to attend the
> same liturgy service which was seen by Byzantine emperors, early
> saints and so forth is just, well, fantastic."
>
> The service consists mostly of songs and hymns and offering of the
> Communion, and closes with final thoughts and prayers from the
> presiding cleric.
>
> The Holy Cross Monastery, Garguillio explained, is a religious
> community in the most ancient Eastern Orthodox tradition, in communion
> with the North American Old Catholic Church.
>
> 'We currently function as an "extended community," but are in the
> process of acquiring a property suitable for the use of spiritual
> retreats, ascetic practice, etc.," Garguillio wrote.
>
> In order to best support the sites, he said, that building will be in
> the Dundalk or Highlandtown area.
>
> Promotions are primarily through press releases from the North
> American Old Catholic Church, word of mouth and integration into the
> newsletter for St. Peter, Garguillio said.
>
> "We're honored to have you," the Rev. Robert M. Harvey of St. Peter
> said to Garguillio at St. Andrew's first liturgy last weekend.
>
> The 3 p.m. liturgy at St. Andrew will be held every Sunday.
>
> For more information, contact pastor Daniel Garguillio at
> revd...@garguillio.com or 1-888-650-1817, ext. 110, or visit
> http://church.garguillio.com
>
>
Alexander Arnakis
>Dear Bishop Daniel.
>
>Why don't you just join the orthodox Church? Why pretend to be orthodox
>when you actually can be Orthodox. Why pretend to be in the Eastern
>Orthodox tradition in your own mind when yo can be in the Eastern
>Orthodox tradition in reality? Why are you encouraging other people to
>join something fake when you and they can join something real?
>
Do you really have to ask these rhetorical questions? The answer is
evident -- he's running a scam. And he has to answer to no one. Notice
that he's promoted himself to "bishop" since the last time he posted
here.
>
>
++
Thank you very much, Alexo, I couldn't figure any of that out.
>>
>
>
>
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
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> My Son,
>
> That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991, and am
> part of the cononically established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy. We are
> neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
> Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
***In other words, Plus Daniel is on the outside looking in. His cult is
probably one of those vagante jurisdictions founded by "Archbishop" Ofiesh.
athair ambrois
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> My Son,
>
> That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991, and am
> part of the cononically established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy. We are
> neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
> Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
Daniel,
You're a fraud. The thread you started a couple of weeks back shows
that you were merely claiming to be a priest and an abbot at that time
and not a bishop.
Here it is
Two new Orthodox parishes to open in Baltimore
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox/browse_thread/thread/aceb8a2095b1d1b9/fbb692d64dac06f2?q=garguillio&lnk=nl&
All the links in that thread show that you are merely claiming to be a
priest.
The links also show that you and your Archbishop are riding the
wedding gravy train and cashing in on performing gay and lesbian
weddings.
You claim on one of your webpages to be "traditional" and lament that
others are not keeping the faith. And yet here you are making money
out of homosexual weddings. Sorry, but who could take you or your
Church seriously.
"Our clergy not only are willing to perform ceremonies for same-sex
couple, we encourage it and have experience performing them!
"Whether you want a traditional, contemporary, spiritual, religious,
or dignified civil ceremony, we are more than happy to presiding at
gay weddings, holy unions, or commitment ceremonies."
"Father Daniel Garguillo - Father Garguillo engages primarily in
pastoral counseling ministry, so his approach to weddings is very
comforting, welcoming and warm. Although a bit soft spoken, the love
of God really shines through in the ceremonies Father performs."
http://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=6
and
http://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=4
What of your own marriage, Daniel? Are you in a same-sex marriage?
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Son,
>
> That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991, and am
> part of the cononically established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy.
Which Canonically established ancient eparchy is yours?
> We are
> neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
> Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
It is my understanding that SCOBA does not control anything, it just has
meetings? And why would you consider the EP or SCOBA semi-Orthodox?
And who are "other" modernist semi-Orthodox? Could you list them?
AbAe...@hush.com
> Dear Bishop Daniel.
>
> Why don't you just join the orthodox Church?
Which one? All of the following are not in union and claim to be "the
true Orthodox Church"...
The one bully simply called The Orthodox Church? Or is it the Genuine
Orthodox Church, Macedonian Orthodox Church, Russian Old Believers,
the Matthewites, the Makarians, ROCA, the Russian True Orthodox
Church, Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate), Ukrainian
Autocephalous Orthodox Church, Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church in
America Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, Bulgarian
Alternative Synod, Orthodox Church in Italy. Montenegrin Orthodox
Church. Turkish Orthodox Church, Orthodox Catholic Churches of
America or maybe the monophysite Orthodox churches of the Copts or
Syrians. The Nestorians, perhaps?
> Why pretend to be orthodox
> when you actually can be Orthodox. Why pretend to be in the Eastern
> Orthodox tradition in your own mind when yo can be in the Eastern
> Orthodox tradition in reality? Why are you encouraging other people to
> join something fake when you and they can join something real?
Which one of the above is real and not fake? More importantly how can
you tell? What is the rule and authority for the only one that can
make the claim?
> > revdan...@garguillio.com or 1-888-650-1817, ext. 110, or visit
> >http://church.garguillio.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
++
AbAe...@hush.com wrote:
> On Jul 28, 4:06 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Bishop Daniel.
>>
>> Why don't you just join the orthodox Church?
>>
>
> Which one? All of the following are not in union and claim to be "the
> true Orthodox Church"...
>
> The one bully simply called The Orthodox Church? Or is it the Genuine
> Orthodox Church,
never heard of it
> Macedonian Orthodox Church,
been to many, a personal favorite, not the least because the services
are fervent, packed, and beautiful.
> Russian Old Believers,
>
nice edinovertsy church in Eire, PA
> the Matthewites,
who are they? I thought this was just a defunct epithet of the ROCOR no
longer in use
> the Makarians,
who are they?
> ROCA,
been
> the Russian True Orthodox
> Church,
who are they?
> Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate),
been
> Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church,
been
> Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church in America
been
> Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church,
been to plenty of Belorussian churches, don't know if they were this
> Bulgarian Alternative Synod,
Core group of people in Washington , DC used to switch off between
Bulgarian synods and when I was in Sofia I noticed that the ROCOR was
even running their own Bulgarian synod. All valid, my opinion. All
having loving people and good clergy and bishops trying to keep Orthodoxy
> Orthodox Church in Italy.
had a visiting deacon for a while.
> Montenegrin Orthodox Church.
Now this one I tried to find. I went to church daily when in Montenegro
a few years ago and yet all that was open and visible at that time
(before the referendum) was the SOC in Montenegro, also present at the
monastery in Cetinje where I heard there was a Montenegrin Orthodox
Church but .we ran out of time before the bus was going back from there
to Kotor. Kotor, as you may know, is divided between those who attend
Roman Catholic services and Orthodox services, but many of the people
there would not attend an SOC service. I heard there was a new church
in Budva so I went there. What I found was that the new church was a
former Roman Catholic historic church inside the walls (which are
walkable on top, like Dubrovnik) on the upper part of the city. There
was a wonderful icon painter covering the interior walls with
traditional frescoes in a great Balkan iconographic sequence. Gotta go
back just to see the finished church!
> Turkish Orthodox Church,
been. Someone from the EP actually showed us where it was (but didn't
enter). I can see their point. If one enters an RC or Protestant
church in Istanbul, there are services in and booklets or books with
services in Turkish, making the message audible, at least, and visible,
at least, to the Turkish people. Unfortunately, the Orthodox Word is
not being spread in Turkish anywhere else and the leader of the TOC has
passed on. Don't know if they ordained another head of the TOC
> Orthodox Catholic Churches of America or maybe the monophysite Orthodox churches of the Copts or
> Syrians. The Nestorians, perhaps?
>
not Orthodox. There are some really beautiful churches, like the Polish
National Catholic Church, which used to, maybe still does , meet in a
chapel at the Washington Cathedral, but they aren't Orthodox.
>
>> Why pretend to be orthodox
>> when you actually can be Orthodox. Why pretend to be in the Eastern
>> Orthodox tradition in your own mind when yo can be in the Eastern
>> Orthodox tradition in reality? Why are you encouraging other people to
>> join something fake when you and they can join something real?
>>
>
> Which one of the above is real and not fake? More importantly how can
> you tell? What is the rule and authority for the only one that can
> make the claim?
>
Most of the real ones are obvious, whether or not there are rival
jurisdictionalist claims. Three or four Bulgarian, Russian, Ukrainian,
etc. churches? The jurisdictionalism will cease and we will be one
again. But there is a big difference between Churches with a lineage of
Orthodoxy and those, that were formed just to be another religion in
America. The fact that people are human and they argue, all the while
caring about keeping their Church pure and holy shows that Orthodoxy is
one Faith. Just in the past few years, one HUGE jurisdictional problem
has been more or less solved. The Matthewites, the Sergianists and the
ROCOR got together and in the process recognized the OCA, the BOC, the
RoumanianOC, the SOC and etc.while verifying the autocephally of the OCA
and showing their place in the Church without creating permanent rival
synods. Some problems will eventually solve themselves, like the EP.
Life is good and we are all, even if we fight like humans, Orthodox and
one Church. But you know that. And, I suspect you know which of your
partial list above are problematic and which are easy and make you lots
of friends, and which might make you a couple enemies but are still
Orthodox.
I personally want the best for your soul. So, even though I am a big
sinner, I hope you don't mind me caring about you and caring about both
your temporal holding and final resting places
PS. I still harbor (pun intended) a desire to traipse through every
neighborhood in Baltimore and make a photographic record of each and
every storefront church, tracking down each and every traditional and
self-appointed pastor (and I do mean that gender neutral and in some
cases gender plural) just because religion in Baltimore _is_ so unique.
I attended a storefront Orthodox Church myself one of the two long
periods while I lived there along with frequent visits to all Orthodox
jurisdictions.
AGGreen
page:
http://aggreen.net/other_orthodox/other.html
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AGGreen
warrant."
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
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My Dear Child,
Actually, the thread to which you link clearly shows me signing my
name in the style of a Bishop (+Daniel). I am also a priest
(obviously), and may style myself as such when circumstances warrant
it (such as in my position as parish pastor).
In Peace,
The Most Rev. +KONSTANTINOS Daniel Garguillio
Metropolitan Bishop, Ancient Orthodox Eparchy of Maryland
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 29, 9:17 am, athair ambrois <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 12:46 am, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
>
> <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> > My Son,
>
> > That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991, and am
> > part of the cononically established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy. We are
> > neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
> > Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
> > In Peace,
>
> > +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> Daniel,
>
> You're a fraud. The thread you started a couple of weeks back shows
> that you were merely claiming to be a priest and an abbot at that time
> and not a bishop.
>
> Here it is
>
> Two new Orthodox parishes to open in
> Baltimorehttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox/b...
>
> All the links in that thread show that you are merely claiming to be a
> priest.
>
> The links also show that you and your Archbishop are riding the
> wedding gravy train and cashing in on performing gay and lesbian
> weddings.
>
> You claim on one of your webpages to be "traditional" and lament that
> others are not keeping the faith. And yet here you are making money
> out of homosexual weddings. Sorry, but who could take you or your
> Church seriously.
>
> "Our clergy not only are willing to perform ceremonies for same-sex
> couple, we encourage it and have experience performing them!
>
> "Whether you want a traditional, contemporary, spiritual, religious,
> or dignified civil ceremony, we are more than happy to presiding at
> gay weddings, holy unions, or commitment ceremonies."
>
> "Father Daniel Garguillo - Father Garguillo engages primarily in
> pastoral counseling ministry, so his approach to weddings is very
> comforting, welcoming and warm. Although a bit soft spoken, the love
> of God really shines through in the ceremonies Father performs."
>
> http://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=6
> andhttp://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=4
AGGreen
in some circles as "Twinkle Toes"...
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athair ambrois
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> It is called *humility*, my beloved child, not "changing identity",
> and should be practiced by all Orthodox Bishops and indeed, by all
> humankind.
>
The ministers of your Church, including yourself, specialise in
catering for marriages for gays and lesbians. It provides tax free
income, Would you answer a humble question or two? Are or have you
been married to a man? Is your Archbiship in a same-sex marriage?
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Child,
>
>Those who have departed from the One True Orthodox Catholic Faith of
>the Holy Apostles and Church Fathers (such as by adopting Romanist
>proscriptions - originally intended to oppose Hellenic culture! -
>against the ordination of women and gay marriage) are, at best, semi-
>Orthodox.
>
>It is important to note (in anticipation of probable responses) that,
>when properly interpreted, the Holy Scripture includes no texts
>against the practice of homosexuality, except as part of pagan temple
>prostitution.
>
Now you reveal yourself. This is a gay cult with some external
trappings of Orthodoxy. *No* real Orthodox church endorses the
practice of homosexuality, in any form.
The thing is, this is so dishonest. I pity the poor people who might
be drawn to you out of ignorance, thinking that you are something that
you are not. Frankly, you're acting as a tool of Satan. Shame on you!
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>It is called *humility*, my beloved child, not "changing identity",
>and should be practiced by all Orthodox Bishops and indeed, by all
>humankind.
>
You can take your so-called "humility" and shove it up your ass, along
with all the other things that you take up your ass. How much money
are you grubbing from those deluded gays who crave an assembly (it
can't be called a church) with the trappings of Orthodoxy and/or
traditional Catholicism? There's a special circle in Hell for the
likes of you...
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Son,
>
I am not your son.
>That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991,
*Who* consecrated you?
>and am
>part of the cononically [sic] established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy.
In other words, not a canonical church.
>We are
>neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
>Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
Then *who* are you affiliated with?
Your whole vagante effort is a sick joke. Go and confess your sins and
join a *real* church.
AGGreen
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> My Child,
>
> Those who have departed from the One True Orthodox Catholic Faith of
> the Holy Apostles and Church Fathers (such as by adopting Romanist
> proscriptions - originally intended to oppose Hellenic culture! -
> against the ordination of women and gay marriage) are, at best, semi-
> Orthodox.
>
> It is important to note (in anticipation of probable responses) that,
> when properly interpreted, the Holy Scripture includes no texts
> against the practice of homosexuality, except as part of pagan temple
> prostitution.
>
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
All canonical Orthodox churches consider homosexual activities to be
sinful, and all interpret sacred scripture as confirming this. The
Orthodox Church does not condemn those who take up their cross of
homosexuality and conform their lives to Christ's, but praises them
whose pure behavior inspires all those around them to holiness.
I am not who you suppose I am.
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Child,
>
As you are not my spiritual nor natural nor adoptive father, it is
inappropriate to refer to me as your child.
> Those who have departed from the One True Orthodox Catholic Faith of
> the Holy Apostles and Church Fathers (such as by adopting Romanist
> proscriptions - originally intended to oppose Hellenic culture! -
> against the ordination of women and gay marriage) are, at best, semi-
> Orthodox.
>
You can do as you like, but it will take a new council to reapprove
female ordination and to discuss (it was never a practice) homosexual
unions.
> It is important to note (in anticipation of probable responses) that,
> when properly interpreted, the Holy Scripture includes no texts
> against the practice of homosexuality, except as part of pagan temple
> prostitution.
>
Let someone else go into homosexuality. After all, it's July and we
don't usually have our annual discussion on the topic until October.
> Peace,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 29, 10:57 am, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.garguillio.com- Hide quoted text -
athair ambrois
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> Actually, the thread to which you link clearly shows me signing my
> name in the style of a Bishop (+Daniel). I am also a priest
> (obviously), and may style myself as such when circumstances warrant
> it (such as in my position as parish pastor).
>
> In Peace,
>
> The Most Rev. +KONSTANTINOS Daniel Garguillio
> Metropolitan Bishop, Ancient Orthodox Eparchy of Marylandhttp://www.garguillio.com
It is hard to keep up with your meteoptric rise through the hierchical
ranks. I see that you have been raised overnight to the status of an
Archbishop on your website. Cardinal tomorrow?
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/
On the page wth information about the seminary run by your Church,
Saint Wolbodo's, they have you listed on their staff as a mere
priest!
http://www.wolbodo.org/?page_id=10
A list member provided this visual identification..
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/292228159_7643ca99e3.jpg?v=0
++
Alexander Arnakis wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Bishop Daniel Garguillio
> <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>
>
>> My Child,
>>
>> Those who have departed from the One True Orthodox Catholic Faith of
>> the Holy Apostles and Church Fathers (such as by adopting Romanist
>> proscriptions - originally intended to oppose Hellenic culture! -
>> against the ordination of women and gay marriage) are, at best, semi-
>> Orthodox.
>>
>> It is important to note (in anticipation of probable responses) that,
>> when properly interpreted, the Holy Scripture includes no texts
>> against the practice of homosexuality, except as part of pagan temple
>> prostitution.
>>
>>
> Now you reveal yourself. This is a gay cult with some external
> trappings of Orthodoxy. *No* real Orthodox church endorses the
> practice of homosexuality, in any form.
>
He revealed himself quite a while ago. Check out the following under
his real name, Daniel J Moran III:
typical post:
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Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:25:16 -0700
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***Maybe he's my imposter!!!
AGGreen
"++" <fri...@spambot.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Alexander Arnakis wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:15:51 -0700 (PDT), Bishop Daniel Garguillio
>> <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My Child,
>>>
>>> Those who have departed from the One True Orthodox Catholic Faith of
>>> the Holy Apostles and Church Fathers (such as by adopting Romanist
>>> proscriptions - originally intended to oppose Hellenic culture! -
>>> against the ordination of women and gay marriage) are, at best, semi-
>>> Orthodox.
>>>
>>> It is important to note (in anticipation of probable responses) that,
>>> when properly interpreted, the Holy Scripture includes no texts
>>> against the practice of homosexuality, except as part of pagan temple
>>> prostitution.
>>>
>>>
>> Now you reveal yourself. This is a gay cult with some external
>> trappings of Orthodoxy. *No* real Orthodox church endorses the
>> practice of homosexuality, in any form.
>>
>
> He revealed himself quite a while ago. Check out the following under his
> real name, Daniel J Moran III:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gndan
***This URL has been eliminated by Google.
AGGreen
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Sanctuary Occult Investigations, specializing in Demonology, Exorcism,
and Psychic Phenomenon.
A lifetime student of religion and metaphysics, Garguillio has appeared
in numerous media interviews, including the Learning Channel series
Weird Worlds, Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and several
appearances with controversial evangelist Bob Larson. He holds
ordination as a Priest of the North American Old Catholic Church (having
been originally consecrated in an episopi vagante lineage of the
Byzantine rite) and is the Abbott of Holy Cross Monastery in Baltimore, MD.
He is known to have investigated several Satanic organizations while
using the pseudonym "Ron Mershon".
http://www.garguillio.com
http://www.naoldcatholic.com
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/monastery.html
athair ambrois
http://www.washblade.com/2007/7-20/news/national/10934.cfm
Rev. Michael Seneco, the gay presiding bishop of the North American
Old Catholic Church, said he hopes O’Brien will not bar gay students
from joining the school.
“I think that it’s absurd that any one fact of a person automatically
should blankly disqualify them from any service to the people,” Seneco
said. “It’s like saying people with red hair shouldn’t be chefs.”
Seneco, whose church broke from Roman Catholicism during the First
Vatican Council and is comparatively more liberal, challenged
O’Brien’s handling of gay issues.
He said the archbishop was wrong to say gay men are unfit to become
priests.
“In order to be a priest, you have to love people, accept people and
forgive people for who they are,” Seneco said. “None of those are
skills that are reserved only for masculine, heterosexual men.”
Seneco, who lives with his partner in Washington, also opposed O’Brien
describing same-sex attractions as “homosexual inclinations.”
++
the creative credentialing of the same, yo are in numerous and
fascinating company. Now that I've had a chance to visit some of your
many web pages, would you be so kind as to explain the Dr. credentials
that you append to your seminary and paranormal postings and websites?
What is your doctorate in? Where did you yourself and your partner, the
Archbishop of the pseudo Roman Catholic side of your old catholic order,
study?
I'm really impressed with your ability to flinga da lingo of not one
but two religions in order to self legitimize your own. I was surprised
to note that you conduct both pseudo Uniate as well as pseudo Orthodox
services.
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Beloved Child,
>
> My status as Archbishop has been on my website for ages. As I am sure
> you know, all Orthodox Bishops are *equal*, with various stylings
> (Metropolitan, Archbishop, Metropolitan Bishop, Metropolitan
> Archbishop, Patriarch, etc.) being based upon their own particular
> customs.
>
> It is also the prerogative of all Orthodox Bishops to appear as a
> "mere" priest when appropriate, including the celebration of the
> Divine Liturgy in the phelonion rather than the sakkos, and so forth.
> Information concerning my status within the Ancient Orthodox Eparchy
> of the North American Old Catholic Church (<http://
> www.naoldcatholic.com>, which will be updated soon) may be easily
> obtained by contacting Archbishop Michael Seneco via the
> administrative office.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
>
>
> On Jul 30, 12:33 am, athair ambrois <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 1:06 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
>>
>> <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, the thread to which you link clearly shows me signing my
>>> name in the style of a Bishop (+Daniel). I am also a priest
>>> (obviously), and may style myself as such when circumstances warrant
>>> it (such as in my position as parish pastor).
>>>
>>> In Peace,
>>>
>>> The Most Rev. +KONSTANTINOS Daniel Garguillio
>>> Metropolitan Bishop, Ancient Orthodox Eparchy of Marylandhttp://www.garguillio.com
>>>
>> It is hard to keep up with your meteoptric rise through the hierchical
>> ranks. I see that you have been raised overnight to the status of an
>> Archbishop on your website. Cardinal tomorrow?
>>
>> http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/
>>
>> On the page wth information about the seminary run by your Church,
>> Saint Wolbodo's, they have you listed on their staff as a mere
>> priest!http://www.wolbodo.org/?page_id=10
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Child,
>
> My secular name is well-known, as is my work as a paranormal
> investigator and exorcist (<http://www.garguillio.com>).
>
Do illumine just one tiny point, would you? When did you start taking
on the name of gargoyle and its varients? And, did you even go to court
and change your last name, or is this just a pseudonym?
> In Peace,
>
> +Daniel
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>>> The thing is, this is so dishonest. I pity the poor people who might
>>> be drawn to you out of ignorance, thinking that you are something that
>>> you are not. Frankly, you're acting as a tool of Satan. Shame on you!- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Son,
>
>No TRULY Orthodox Christian Church condemns homosexuality. I fear you
>have been taught a lie.
>
>Thank you for allowing me to share in the sufferings of Christ, by
>pharisaically attributing the work that God has done through me to
>satan.
>
Screw you. (Or on second thought, maybe not, since you might enjoy
it.)
Folks, what we have here is a troll, pure and simple.
AGGreen
panders to homos.
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:0fd69891-ad81-4289...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
My Dear Child,
We do not "cater" to gays and lesbians, but simply accept them as the
children of God that they are.
As an Orthodox Monk, I am celibate.
By "your archbishop", I suppose you are referring to Presiding
Archbishop Michael Seneco, who is indeed in a committed gay
relationship.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:a21e0af1-074e-454f...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
My Child,
My secular name is well-known, as is my work as a paranormal
investigator and exorcist (<http://www.garguillio.com>).
In Peace,
+Daniel
On Jul 30, 12:42 am, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
> aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> Visit our Psychic/Paranormal message boards
> athttp://www.skatemd.com/forums/index.php
> Arcade, Journals, Chats, Boards, Fun!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paranormal_stuff/
>
> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> > The thing is, this is so dishonest. I pity the poor people who might
> > be drawn to you out of ignorance, thinking that you are something that
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:07e50a36-6d67-40ce...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> My Son Alexander,
>
> I will pray to Christ our God that you may be forgiven and healed of
> your addiction to profanity and hatred of His Church and its Bishops.
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> Beloved Child,
>
> My ordinational name of *Garguillio* was chosen by me in 1991 in
> reference to the creature "Le Gargouille" from the legend of St.
> Romanus. It represents the control of one's lower passions in service
> to Christ.
>
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
> As Pastoral Counselor for the NAOCC and Vice-Rector of St. Wolbodo
> Seminary,
Do post St. Wolbodo's life on your website
> I carry certain honorary
Now there's a nice word, Honorary. So, who did you the honors?
> academic degrees, which, again, may
> be confirmed by contacting our national office.
>
Now, why would I want to place my soul at risk by doing that?
> I respect your opinion, but can assure you there is nothing "pseudo"
> about our religious services. Our celebration of the Divine Liturgy,
> for example, is as close as possible to that described by St. John
> Chrysostom in AD 400, being purged of the subtle (and sometimes not-so-
> subtle) corruptions adopted by most modern Orthodox and Eastern
> Catholic Churches.
>
What do you see those "corruptions" as being. So far, you've only
complained about not blessing homosexual marriages and not ordaining
women.
> Here, by the way, is the article that started this discussion, in its
> original context: http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Gmugz0K3LPcJ:www.dundalkeagle.com/articles/2008/07/03/news/news08.txt
>
> In the Peace of IC XC,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
athair ambrois
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> My Son,
>
> No TRULY Orthodox Christian Church condemns homosexuality. I fear you
> have been taught a lie.
"We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law, with
the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for
the lawless and the unruly, the godless and the sinful, the unholy and
profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murders, the
unchaste, homosexuals, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else
is opposed to sound teaching," (1 Tim 1:8-10)
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
abomination"(Lev. 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put
to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." (Lev 20:13)
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom
of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the
covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit
the kingdom of God."(1 Cor. 6:9-10)
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their
women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and
in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the
woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men
committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due
penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to
acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to
do those things which are not proper." (Rom. 1:26-28)
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave
themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an
example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 7)
"And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites,
into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to
those that should after act wickedly."(2 Peter 2:6)
AGGreen
***Note that this phoney never responds to me??? LOL!
"athair ambrois" <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4731b4c6-9eeb-4fd4...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
athair ambrois
> As a aficionado of the storefront church phenomenon in Baltimore, and
> the creative credentialing of the same, yo are in numerous and
> fascinating company. Now that I've had a chance to visit some of your
> many web pages, would you be so kind as to explain the Dr. credentials
> that you append to your seminary and paranormal postings and websites?
> What is your doctorate in? Where did you yourself and your partner, the
> Archbishop of the pseudo Roman Catholic side of your old catholic order,
> study?
It must be a rather unnoticed group since neither its clergy nor its
seminary get a mention on
AGGreen
http://www.ind-movement.org/people.html
***I can take care of that! Heh! Heh!
AGGreen
life, or is being a scam artist your bag?
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:555a4cb6-0256-45fb...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
My Child,
Again, any questions concerning my credentials may be answered by
contacting the national office. I understand your fear, as facing the
possibility of leaving behind the comfortable lies that you have been
taught and embracing the True Orthodox Faith of the Holy Apostles must
indeed be a frightening prospect. I will pray for you.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
> > context:http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Gmugz0K3LPcJ:www.dundalkeagle.co...
>
> > In the Peace of IC XC,
>
> > +Daniel
> >http://www.garguillio.com
>
> > On Jul 30, 12:42 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
> >> Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
>
> >>> My Child,
>
> >>> My secular name is well-known, as is my work as a paranormal
> >>> investigator and exorcist (<http://www.garguillio.com>).
>
> >> Do illumine just one tiny point, would you? When did you start taking
> >> on the name of gargoyle and its varients? And, did you even go to court
> >> and change your last name, or is this just a pseudonym?- Hide quoted
AGGreen
***And you insult people with that "my son" and "my child" poop.
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:5f3b52e2-0207-414b...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
My Son,
I would be pleased to respond to any legitimate questions you may
have.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
these scriptural verses is that God has condemned the practice of
homosexuality, regardless of who is doing what to whom. That you use this
typical homo twist reveals your unOrthodoxy.
***Get thee behind us Satan!
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:dd54ed89-f4a8-46d0...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
My Dear Child,
As I am sure you are aware, the portions of Holy Scripture which you
have quoted refer to homosexual pagan temple prostitution,
beastiality, and, in the case of Sodomy, sex between humans and
(fallen) angels. There is nothing here against same-sex unions.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
for independent Orthodox and Catholic vagantes. I'll tell him about your gay
church.
***Care to put the other foot in your mouth?
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:a6a8bd62-1999-4fc8...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Dear Child,
That website only includes organizations which have requested a
listing, but thanks for the tip.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/
He looks like a serial killer. Note the defiant, grim look on his face!
Al
"athair ambrois" <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4252a053-bbe3-401e...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Daniel's archbishop Michael Seneco cohabits with his male partner.
http://www.washblade.com/2007/7-20/news/national/10934.cfm
Rev. Michael Seneco, the gay presiding bishop of the North American
Old Catholic Church, said he hopes O’Brien will not bar gay students
from joining the school.
“I think that it’s absurd that any one fact of a person automatically
should blankly disqualify them from any service to the people,” Seneco
said. “It’s like saying people with red hair shouldn’t be chefs.”
Seneco, whose church broke from Roman Catholicism during the First
Vatican Council and is comparatively more liberal, challenged
O’Brien’s handling of gay issues.
He said the archbishop was wrong to say gay men are unfit to become
priests.
“In order to be a priest, you have to love people, accept people and
forgive people for who they are,” Seneco said. “None of those are
skills that are reserved only for masculine, heterosexual men.”
Seneco, who lives with his partner in Washington, also opposed O’Brien
describing same-sex attractions as “homosexual inclinations.”
AGGreen
Metropolitan is not something that Orthodox spirituality and
discipline would enjoin upon us. He displays a fundamental lack of
respect in doing so, besides being a gossip. "There's the case of the
OCA Metropolitan known in some circles as 'TwinkleToes'". Oh, is that
so? In what circles? What wholesome and godly circles would anyone
want to be moving in that would so casually dismiss a fine man who
served the OCA so well throughout his life? Al's attitude is not
representative of anything good, or authentically Orthodox. It's
really the very antithesis of what it is to be Orthodox and to live
life in an Orthodox manner. God gave a commandment to the Jews, "Thou
shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people", and there
is no revoking of this commandment either by Christ, the Church, or
any of the Fathers and saints. Gossip is sin in private, and the
Church considers it to be more so when it's done in public.
Al's attitude toward homosexuality is not in accord with Orthodox
teaching. Fr. Thomas Hopko sum it up nicely, "According to Orthodox
Church Tradition, Christians are redeemed sinners. They are human
beings who have been saved from sickness and sin, delivered from the
devil and death by God's grace through faith in Jesus by the Holy
Spirit's power: "and such were some of you." (1 Cor. 6:10) They are
baptized into Christ and sealed with the Spirit in order to live God's
life in the Church. They witness to their faith by regular
participation in liturgical worship and eucharistic communion,
accompanied by continual confession, repentance and the steadfast
struggle against every form of sin, voluntary and involuntary, which
attempts to destroy their lives in this world and in the age to come.
The homosexual Christian is called to a particularly rigorous battle.
His or her struggle is an especially ferocious one. It is not made any
easier by the mindless, truly demonic hatred of those who despise and
ridicule those who carry this painful and burdensome cross; nor by the
mindless, equally demonic affirmation of homosexual activity by its
misguided advocates and enablers."
Why Al displays such a mindless, truly demonic hatred is maybe known
only to God, but experience shows that those who despise and ridicule
others burdened with homosexuality are very often running from it
within themselves. The spectacle of a defrocked deacon who is known
for his slander, lies, and calumny calling a revered member of the
clergy "TwinkleToes" in public is a sad one, made even sadder since
it's so indicative of an obsessive struggle with homosexuality that
has yielded little but bitterness. It's wrong. It's sinful, and it's
not what the Orthodox Church expects of its faithful children. Al's
attitude is condemned by the Orthodox Church, which has a much more
realistic understanding of human frailty and human-divine
potentiality.
Pray for Al, even as he spits such evil venom at good Orthodox
hierarchs.
I am not who you suppose I am.
On Jul 29, 9:34 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> ***I have to take this back. There's the case of the OCA Metropolitan known
> in some circles as "TwinkleToes"...
>
> "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote in message
>
> news:g6ofg...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>
> > ***REAL Orthodox Bishops don't change their identity "when circumstances
> > warrant."
>
> > "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
> >news:cae5a691-714a-4d2d...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > My Dear Child,
>
> > Actually, the thread to which you link clearly shows me signing my
> > name in the style of a Bishop (+Daniel). I am also a priest
> > (obviously), and may style myself as such when circumstances warrant
> > it (such as in my position as parish pastor).
>
> > In Peace,
>
> > The Most Rev. +KONSTANTINOS Daniel Garguillio
> > Metropolitan Bishop, Ancient Orthodox Eparchy of Maryland
> >http://www.garguillio.com
>
> > On Jul 29, 9:17 am, athair ambrois <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote:
> >> On Jul 30, 12:46 am, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
>
> >> <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> >> > My Son,
>
> >> > That is incorrect. I was consecrated to the episcopacy in 1991, and am
> >> > part of the cononically established Ancient Orthodox Eparchy. We are
> >> > neither affiliated with, nor controlled by, the Ecumenical
> >> > Patriarchate, SCOBA, or other modernist semi-Orthodox.
>
> >> > In Peace,
>
> >> > +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> >> Daniel,
>
> >> You're a fraud. The thread you started a couple of weeks back shows
> >> that you were merely claiming to be a priest and an abbot at that time
> >> and not a bishop.
>
> >> Here it is
>
> >> Two new Orthodox parishes to open in
> >> Baltimorehttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox/b...
>
> >> All the links in that thread show that you are merely claiming to be a
> >> priest.
>
> >> The links also show that you and your Archbishop are riding the
> >> wedding gravy train and cashing in on performing gay and lesbian
> >> weddings.
>
> >> You claim on one of your webpages to be "traditional" and lament that
> >> others are not keeping the faith. And yet here you are making money
> >> out of homosexual weddings. Sorry, but who could take you or your
> >> Church seriously.
>
> >> "Our clergy not only are willing to perform ceremonies for same-sex
> >> couple, we encourage it and have experience performing them!
>
> >> "Whether you want a traditional, contemporary, spiritual, religious,
> >> or dignified civil ceremony, we are more than happy to presiding at
> >> gay weddings, holy unions, or commitment ceremonies."
>
> >> "Father Daniel Garguillo - Father Garguillo engages primarily in
> >> pastoral counseling ministry, so his approach to weddings is very
> >> comforting, welcoming and warm. Although a bit soft spoken, the love
> >> of God really shines through in the ceremonies Father performs."
>
> >>http://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=6
> >> andhttp://www.dcweddingceremony.com/?page_id=4
>
> >> What of your own marriage, Daniel? Are you in a same-sex marriage?
Alexander Arnakis
>***Do you think, Dan, that anyone here is buying into your baloney? Get a
>life, or is being a scam artist your bag?
>
He's testing the limits of our credulity. It should be obvious (to
him) that the people on this newsgroup are not suckers. There's no
point in discussing *anything* with this turd. Just chuck him into
your killfile.
athair ambrois
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
> My Dear Child,
>
> As I am sure you are aware, the portions of Holy Scripture which you
> have quoted refer to homosexual pagan temple prostitution,
> beastiality, and, in the case of Sodomy, sex between humans and
> (fallen) angels. There is nothing here against same-sex unions.
My dear Child,
You may be too young to have experienced such things but any
registered nurse or doctor can tell you that sodomy, the frequent
insertion of the penis into an anus, can bring on some very nasty
medical problems over the years. Before you "marry" gay couples do
you counsel them on this danger? It should be your duty to do so,
just as you would counsel them on the long term dangers of alcohol or
cigarettes. Not a pleasant topic maybe, but one which you, as a gay
marriage celebrant, ought to be taking seriously.
Decorated Veteran
My dear Child,
You may have personally avoided the usual rites of passage, but homosexual
activity is rampant in many so-called monastic enclaves, and many priests
are ordained who see fit to molest those over whom they have control.
You mentioned counseling to warn gay participants of the medical dangers of
homosexual congress; do you provide that same counseling to prospective
altar boys? Is that same counseling provided to seminarians?
With California passing the law allowing gay marriages, I have to wonder how
long it will be before NAMBLA members are given the same legal standing as
adult gays.
Bob
athair ambrois
wrote:
> My Son,
>
> If true (though it doesn't seem to be), that explains it, as we are
> neither "independent" nor "vagante".
Dear Daniel,
Sonmething written by a Catholic Melkite on the quite different
approach of Catholics and Orthodox to apostolic succession. It
explains why your succesion could possible be accepted by the
Catholics but would be quite rejected by the Orthodox. It's well
worth the read. In fact, it's worth filing away for any other
interested people
The Orthodox (Cyprianite) and Catholic (Augustinian) Theology
of Sacraments and Apostolic Succession outside the Church
by Neil Foley a Catholic Melkite
________________________________________
I apologize if the following is rambling or seen as not completely
relevant to the points being debated here, but I perceive the
arguments as going in opposing circles and ignoring several basic
considerations, on the part of both my Catholic and Orthodox brethren.
The theological praxis of Catholics and Orthodox as to the validity of
orders and the dependent issue of the validity of sacraments differs
significantly. That is fact and we can discuss, debate, and disagree
over whether the other's stance is or is not rational, but it won't
change the fact that it is what it is. The resolution of such will
only occur, if it ever does and hopefully it ultimately will, in
circles more august than this revered forum.
There are basically two theories of apostolic succession and, in most
instances, the application of the theory held by a given Church
effectively
determines the validity accorded to claimed presbyteral and episcopal
orders and, ipso facto, the validity of sacraments administered by
those claiming to possess valid orders, whether presbyteral and/or
episcopal (putting aside issues as to form and intent, since if there
is no validity to the orders of the sacrament's minister, other
considerations are of no consequence to either Church).
If the orders claimed to be possessed are themselves invalid, the
sacraments derived from him who claims to possess orders will, in
turn, be invalid if the sacrament is one which requires administration
by an ordained minister - essentially any except baptism in extremis
in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches and marriage in the Eastern
Churches, Catholic and Orthodox.
The Augustinian theory................
..................................................... effectively
holds that valid episcopal ordination confers an indelible character
that is not affected by any schismatic or heretical act or
excommunication taken in response thereto or for any other reason.
Accordingly, a validly ordained priest once validly ordained to the
episcopate retains his capacity to exercise that order, though he may
have been deprived juridically of the office or jurisdiction by which
he performed episcopal acts. The latter considerations affect only the
licitness of his acts.
The Cyprianic theory..................
.................................................... effectively holds
that a valid episcopal ordination is affected by schismatic or
heretical acts and by
excommunication taken in response thereto or for any other reason.
Accordingly, a validly ordained priest once validly ordained to the
episcopate retains his capacity to exercise that order only so long as
he continues in communion with the jurisdiction under the authority of
which he was ordained to the episcopate (or such other jurisdiction
into which he may have subsequently been accepted) and is exercising
the office or jurisdiction by which he has the right to perform those
acts. There is no distinction made as to licitness.
The Catholic Church adheres to the Augustinian theory; the Orthodox
Churches to the Cyprianic theory, (although they have exercised
oekonomia in application of it to instances in which schismatic bodies
have returned to communion).
Frankly, the Augustinian theory has been or certainly has become a
thorn in the side of the Catholic Church. It effectively assures that
all manner of independent hierarchs, both those who pursue their
perceived vocation with spiritual and intellectual honesty and those
who are episcopi vagante in the most perjorative connotation accorded
to the phrase, can sleep at night with at least a modicum of assurance
that they possess valid episcopal orders, unless form or intent are at
issue. The time-honored practice in the so-called "independent"
Catholic and Orthodox movements of garnering multiple episcopal
consecrations or, subsequently, being re-consecrated sub conditione is
effectively a means of leveraging the Augustinian theory.
Most such hierarchs operate on the premise that "more is better" or
"there has to be at least one good one here somewhere". With most
having an episcopal genealogy that traces back through an average of
30 ancestral lines of succession, from a combination of dissident
Latin Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Catholic, Eastern and Oriental
Orthodox hierarchs, they can feel reasonably secure. Those lines which
cannot be proven valid because there is serious doubt as to the
validity of one actor (e.g., the so-called Melkite-Aneed Line) can and
do feel comfortably buffered by Duarte and Thuc Lines.
People sometimes point to subsequent acts by bishops of these
"Churches" which break faith with Catholic doctrine and erroneously
perceive these as breaking the line of apostolic succession. For
instance, no bishop, regardless of the validity of his episcopal
orders, can validly ordain a
woman. But, that he did so would not invalidate his subsequent
ordination of a man, with proper intent and according to proper form.
So, it is possible to go rather far afield theologically yet still
retain apostolic succession.
None of this is to say that all such entities have valid orders or
sacraments, the Liberal Catholic Church is certainly suspect, but an
inordinate amount of effort has to be put into tracing and verifying
or rejecting such when presbyters or hierarchs of these Churches are
received into communion.
The Orthodox Churches, relying on the canonically legal status of the
hierarch conferring orders (his status in communion with a recognized
jurisdiction to which the Church accords canonical status), have a
much simpler task before them in assessing validity and, since they do
not make the distinction of licitness, the end result is clear-cut.
Given its historical ties to the Cyprianic theory, it stands to reason
that the Orthodox would not accord validity to Catholic orders or
sacraments and that any do so must be seen as an exercise of charity
on their part, applying a measure of recognition to the common
historical origins of
Catholicity and Orthodoxy. We, as Catholics, can dislike the fact that
all do not choose to do so, but it is not our place to impose upon
others our
theological precepts and require that they adopt them.
The potentially most ironic consideration here is that, applying the
Augustinian theory, the Catholic Church would in some instances likely
have
to accept the validity of presbyteral and episcopal orders, and,
consequently, sacraments, of "independent Orthodox" (and by that I do
not mean those essentially mainstream Orthodox Churches which are
typically termed "non-canonical" or "of iregular status", but those of
the so-called
"independent movement") whom the Orthodox themselves would,
rightfully, never deem to be of their Communion, under even the most
liberal of interpretations.
My apologies to those in whom I have induced narcolepsy.
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Child,
>
> Again, any questions concerning my credentials may be answered by
> contacting the national office. I understand your fear, as facing the
> possibility of leaving behind the comfortable lies that you have been
> taught and embracing the True Orthodox Faith of the Holy Apostles must
> indeed be a frightening prospect. I will pray for you.
>
And when have I ever disdained prayer? Thank you for praying for me. I
pray for everyone on this forum, myself. I pray that you find the one
Holy Apostolic Church as your only answer. Since I don't desire any
training trough either of your supposed learning institutions, I don't
see any reason to call. If you can't state your credentials, or admit
to the lack thereof on this public archived forum, then I will have to
accept that your only _honorary_ credentials are something not meant for
the light of disclosure.
> In Peace,
>>> original context:http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Gmugz0K3LPcJ:www.dundalkeagle.co...
>>>
>>> In the Peace of IC XC,
>>>
>>> +Daniel
>>> http://www.garguillio.com
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 12:42 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Child,
>>>>>
>>>>> My secular name is well-known, as is my work as a paranormal
>>>>> investigator and exorcist (<http://www.garguillio.com>).
>>>>>
>>>> Do illumine just one tiny point, would you? When did you start taking
>>>> on the name of gargoyle and its varients? And, did you even go to court
++
athair ambrois wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> Sonmething written by a Catholic Melkite on the quite different
> approach of Catholics and Orthodox to apostolic succession. It
> explains why your succesion could possible be accepted by the
> Catholics but would be quite rejected by the Orthodox. It's well
> worth the read. In fact, it's worth filing away for any other
> interested people
>
> The Orthodox (Cyprianite) and Catholic (Augustinian) Theology
> of Sacraments and Apostolic Succession outside the Church
>
> by Neil Foley a Catholic Melkite
> ________________________________________
>
> I apologize if the following is rambling or seen as not completely
> relevant to the points being debated [article deleted - see rpevious item in thread]
>
> My apologies to those in whom I have induced narcolepsy.
>
It was interesting and it shows the love you have for your fellows in
posting it for the edification of all.
>
>
AGGreen
"++" <fri...@spambot.com> wrote in message
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AGGreen
hierarch, not some make believe wannabe like you.
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:d01170f0-0574-41c0...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> Beloved,
>
> Seeing that this thread has degenerated into un-Christian profanity
> and foolish controversies, I shall "shake the dust off my feet" and
> refrain from further posting to it unless intelligent questions are
> asked.
>
> Those, including women and GLBTs, who may be interested in vocation
> to the priesthood of the true Orthodox Church are invited to contact
> me privately via email. After having seen the ignorant, ungodly hatred
> of the mentally-disturbed pseudo-"Orthodox" on this discussion group,
> I am certain you will appreciate the difference in Christ's love and
> acceptance.
>
> All here will be in our prayers and Liturgy Intentions.
AGGreen
Thanks for making our point!! The Bible speaks for itself and the Orthodox
Church affirms what it says about the practice of homosexuality. Deal with
it, sweetie!
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:4f24b575-e19a-49ee...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
My Son,
That is not the Orthodox position whatsoever. It is a Roman corruption
which has infected the semi-Orthodox, its origins being in Western
proscriptions against perceived openess to homosexuality in Hellenic
and Middle Eastern cultures.
You know this already, but fear overcoming the comfort you receive
from your own hatred. Accept Christ and his true Orthodox Church, and
be healed.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 30, 10:11 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> ***You are so full of poop. Typical homo spin. The Orthodox position on
> these scriptural verses is that God has condemned the practice of
> homosexuality, regardless of who is doing what to whom. That you use this
> typical homo twist reveals your unOrthodoxy.
>
> ***Get thee behind us Satan!
>
> "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> messagenews:dd54ed89-f4a8-46d0...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> My Dear Child,
>
> As I am sure you are aware, the portions of Holy Scripture which you
> have quoted refer to homosexual pagan temple prostitution,
> beastiality, and, in the case of Sodomy, sex between humans and
> (fallen) angels. There is nothing here against same-sex unions.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
> > those that should after act wickedly."(2 Peter 2:6)- Hide quoted text -
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:7acde490-29b0-4fb3...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
My Son,
If true (though it doesn't seem to be), that explains it, as we are
neither "independent" nor "vagante".
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 30, 10:13 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> ***WRONG! I know the web sigte owner. He spends hours combing the internet
> for independent Orthodox and Catholic vagantes. I'll tell him about your
> gay
> church.
>
> ***Care to put the other foot in your mouth?
>
> "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> messagenews:a6a8bd62-1999-4fc8...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Child,
>
> That website only includes organizations which have requested a
> listing, but thanks for the tip.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> On Jul 30, 8:18 pm, athair ambrois <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 4:40 am, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
> > > As a aficionado of the storefront church phenomenon in Baltimore, and
> > > the creative credentialing of the same, yo are in numerous and
> > > fascinating company. Now that I've had a chance to visit some of your
> > > many web pages, would you be so kind as to explain the Dr. credentials
> > > that you append to your seminary and paranormal postings and websites?
> > > What is your doctorate in? Where did you yourself and your partner,
> > > the
> > > Archbishop of the pseudo Roman Catholic side of your old catholic
> > > order,
> > > study?
>
> > It must be a rather unnoticed group since neither its clergy nor its
> > seminary get a mention on
>
> >http://www.ind-movement.org/people.html- Hide quoted text -
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Child,
>
> Thanks for the interesting post, but I am already aware of those
> arguments. In fact, I accept the Cyprianic theory myself, hence my
> rather charitable references to "semi-Orthodox'.
>
> Our Apostolic Lineage is wholly Orthodox and rejects the schismatic
> and heretical *Romanist* proscriptions against ordination of women,
> same-sex unions, etc.
>
I find your misuse of Orthodox and Roman Catholic traditions and
terminology somewhat variable for someone who espouses "Romanist"
proscriptions as heretical and schismatic. They reasons why Orthodox
consider Roman Catholicism as heterodox, the correct term, do not
include those. For example of your variable terminological confusion,
"My child" is Roman Catholic usage, not commonly what a real Orthodox
bishop would call laity.
>
Indeed what you are calling schismatic are points, although not
necessarily from the same perspective, that the two religions have in
common.
> In Peace,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
>
>
++
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Child,
>
> One more time: My credentials are varifiable by contacting the
> National Office. Claiming them here would serve no purpose, as you
> would still have to varify them. You will find this to be the case
> with all legitimate credentials, religious or secular.
>
The fact that your credentials are fake is obvious. There are none to
verify.
>
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
++
The fact that you continue to utilize clerical titles you have not
earned renders your actions against unsuspecting Christians as probably
fraudulent. The fact is, no evidence being presented to the contrary
except for your own statement that your credentials are honorary (but
without any information concerning who or what honored you for whatever
studies and accomplishments), it is clear that you have not been
ordained except by yourself, that you are trading on the innocence of
the unaware and the culpability of the aware in the commission of your
fraud, and that you have complete, utter and life-threatening disdain
for real Orthodox ordinations, real Orthodox theological training, real
Eastern Orthodoxy, and instead are threatening your own soul as well as
the souls of the gullible and the culpable.
Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> My Poor Child,
>
> The fact that you will not even attempt to varify my credentials shows
> that you know i your heart that they are authentic, and, sadly, fear
> the truth.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
>
>
>
>>> http://www.garguillio.com- Hide quoted text -
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Poor Child,
>
>The fact that you will not even attempt to varify my credentials shows
>that you know i your heart that they are authentic, and, sadly, fear
>the truth.
>
The fact that you can't even spell "verify" casts doubt on your
"credentials."
Alexander Arnakis
>Dear Daniel,
>
>The fact that you continue to utilize clerical titles you have not
>earned renders your actions against unsuspecting Christians as probably
>fraudulent.
"Probably"? There's no doubt whatsoever that they're fraudulent.
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Son,
>
>That is not the Orthodox position whatsoever. It is a Roman corruption
>which has infected the semi-Orthodox, its origins being in Western
>proscriptions against perceived openess to homosexuality in Hellenic
>and Middle Eastern cultures.
>
Bullshit.
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>Beloved,
>
>Seeing that this thread has degenerated into un-Christian profanity
>and foolish controversies, I shall "shake the dust off my feet" and
>refrain from further posting to it unless intelligent questions are
>asked.
>
Kindly refrain from further posting to this group, in general.
>Those, including women and GLBTs, who may be interested in vocation
>to the priesthood of the true Orthodox Church are invited to contact
>me privately via email. After having seen the ignorant, ungodly hatred
>of the mentally-disturbed pseudo-"Orthodox" on this discussion group,
>I am certain you will appreciate the difference in Christ's love and
>acceptance.
>
>All here will be in our prayers and Liturgy Intentions.
>
Go screw yourselves (as if you need my prompting).
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>Fixed the title of this thread after the attempt of anti-Orthodox
>heretic to besmirch Christ and His Church.
>
*You're* the heretic here, asshole.
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Child,
>
>Thanks for the interesting post, but I am already aware of those
>arguments. In fact, I accept the Cyprianic theory myself, hence my
>rather charitable references to "semi-Orthodox'.
>
>Our Apostolic Lineage is wholly Orthodox and rejects the schismatic
>and heretical *Romanist* proscriptions against ordination of women,
>same-sex unions, etc.
>
There's nothing "Romanist" about those proscriptions. They're
subscribed to with one voice by *all* canonical Orthodox.
Same-sex unions, simply, are an abomination. They're against not only
Church teaching, but against Natural Law. What the *civil* law wants
to do about this is up to the civil law, but the Church law shouldn't
be so accommodating.
Alexander Arnakis
<revd...@garguillio.com> wrote:
>My Son,
>
>On Jul 31, 12:44 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
>
>> The Bible speaks for itself
>
>Just as I expected: A *protestant* statement regarding the Holy
>Scripture. No, my son, the Holy Scripture is to be interpreted by the
>Sacred Traditions of the Church and the Bishops as successors to the
>Holy Apostles.
>
Exactly, and the Holy Tradition of the Church is clear that homosexual
behavior is a serious sin, that women are not to be ordained as
priests, and that vagante clerics (such as yourself) are endangering
not only their own souls, but the souls of those who follow them.
There's nothing remotely Protestant about this.
>Your argument is at an end, this post having "outed" you (pun
>intended) as a non-Orthodox protestant layperson attempting to stir up
>trouble among the brethren.
>
What "brethren"? A bunch of gay cultists in Baltimore?
++
Well, I defer to you. I'm no lawyer and have no knowledge of what
legally constitutes fraud in his case. It would seem to be fraud
because he accepts money for his services that he falsely represents in
terms of his credentials and right to perform those services.
>
>
AGGreen
"Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
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***Bishop Dumbledore would enjoy that!!
AGGreen
"Alexander Arnakis" <inv...@address.none> wrote in message
***Mail order ordination, maybe?
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:ee96bea1-667e-4b60...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Fixed the title of this thread after the attempt of anti-Orthodox
> heretic to besmirch Christ and His Church.
>
> +Daniel
> http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
My Son,
On Jul 31, 12:44 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> The Bible speaks for itself
Just as I expected: A *protestant* statement regarding the Holy
Scripture. No, my son, the Holy Scripture is to be interpreted by the
Sacred Traditions of the Church and the Bishops as successors to the
Holy Apostles.
Your argument is at an end, this post having "outed" you (pun
intended) as a non-Orthodox protestant layperson attempting to stir up
trouble among the brethren.
In Peace,
+Daniel
***You are so full of crap. The Orthodox Study Bible footnotes for 1 Cor. 6:
9-10 affirms what I wrote. Get a life, faggot.
AGGreen
the national office" is soooooo lame.
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:d3f7f8ec-565c-4a8e...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
My Poor Child,
The fact that you will not even attempt to varify my credentials shows
that you know i your heart that they are authentic, and, sadly, fear
the truth.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 31, 1:56 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:d5c4e422-1d92-452f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
My Son,
My *religious* credentials are perfectly in order and not
"honorary" (that being in reference to my *academic* qualifications).
They are easily verifiable for those honestly interested (My current
Incardination being with Presiding Archbishop Michael V. Seneco of the
North American Old Catholic Church (Ancient Orthodox Eparchy):
http://www.naoldcatholic.com or 888-650-1817). That does not mean that
you are in any way bound to respect them, especially since you are NOT
Orthodox.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 31, 7:32 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> ***Listen, Bishop Dumbledore, you're losing ground here. Your "check with
> the national office" is soooooo lame.
>
> "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> messagenews:d3f7f8ec-565c-4a8e...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> My Poor Child,
>
> The fact that you will not even attempt to varify my credentials shows
> that you know i your heart that they are authentic, and, sadly, fear
> the truth.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> On Jul 31, 1:56 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> > > My Child,
>
> > > One more time: My credentials are varifiable by contacting the
> > > National Office. Claiming them here would serve no purpose, as you
> > > would still have to varify them. You will find this to be the case
> > > with all legitimate credentials, religious or secular.
>
> > The fact that your credentials are fake is obvious. There are none to
> > verify.
>
> > > +Daniel
> > >http://www.garguillio.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:8d59cc50-e4b1-494d...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
My Dear Son,
The Orthodox Study Bible is my Bible of choice as well, and you are,
as usual, misinterpreting the notes to fit your own homophobia
(probably due to you being "in the closet" yourself).
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 31, 7:37 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> messagenews:2c4f2896-9b02-42bc...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:ecfd2fdd-1f0f-408a...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.orthodoxvocations.com
>
> Our full website on Orthodox Clergy within the North American Old
> Catholic Church in coming soon...
>
> If you are interested in becoming an Orthodox Priest within the North
> American Old Catholic Church, please contact us at 888-650-1817 or by
> Email: chanc...@naoldcatholic.com
>
> The Most Rev. +KONSTANTINOS Daniel Garguillio
> Metropolitan Archbishop
> Ancient Orthodox Eparchy of Maryland
> http://www.garguillio.com
AGGreen
"Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revd...@garguillio.com> wrote in message
news:7f8048e3-ca2d-48fa...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
My Poor Sick Son,
You are a former(?) evangelical protestant who pretends to be
Orthodox, a layperson who pretends to have knowledge of things you
cannot possibly understand, and an obsessed online stalker. I say this
with Christian love: Get some help.
In Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
On Jul 31, 9:37 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
> ***I'd rather be in World Orthodoxy than in your gay "church."
>
> "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> messagenews:d5c4e422-1d92-452f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> My Son,
>
> My *religious* credentials are perfectly in order and not
> "honorary" (that being in reference to my *academic* qualifications).
> They are easily verifiable for those honestly interested (My current
> Incardination being with Presiding Archbishop Michael V. Seneco of the
> North American Old Catholic Church (Ancient Orthodox
> Eparchy):http://www.naoldcatholic.comor 888-650-1817). That does not mean
> that
> you are in any way bound to respect them, especially since you are NOT
> Orthodox.
>
> In Peace,
>
> +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> On Jul 31, 7:32 pm, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ***Listen, Bishop Dumbledore, you're losing ground here. Your "check
> > with
> > the national office" is soooooo lame.
>
> > "Bishop Daniel Garguillio" <revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:d3f7f8ec-565c-4a8e...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > My Poor Child,
>
> > The fact that you will not even attempt to varify my credentials shows
> > that you know i your heart that they are authentic, and, sadly, fear
> > the truth.
>
> > In Peace,
>
> > +Danielhttp://www.garguillio.com
>
> > On Jul 31, 1:56 pm, ++ <fri...@spambot.com> wrote:
>
> > > Bishop Daniel Garguillio wrote:
> > > > My Child,
>
> > > > One more time: My credentials are varifiable by contacting the
> > > > National Office. Claiming them here would serve no purpose, as you
> > > > would still have to varify them. You will find this to be the case
> > > > with all legitimate credentials, religious or secular.
>
> > > The fact that your credentials are fake is obvious. There are none to
> > > verify.
>
> > > > +Daniel
> > > >http://www.garguillio.com-Hidequoted text -
Alexander Arnakis
>
>***Mail order ordination, maybe?
Not even that. I would guess it's an "ordination" made up of thin air.
Maybe *I* should start calling myself a bishop and start getting
gullible people to send me money!