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JamesD
May 22, 2012, 10:28:13 PM5/22/12
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For several years I've had a FB account (not that I've used it much). I primarily took it out as a means of communication with my family and a few close friends, always refusing "being friended" by folks I did not know. As a result I've never had more than a few dozen "friends". Lately, however, I've noted that most of my family no longer post on FB (some like my son never did take out an account) making me wonder at the use of FB and the advisability of keeping the account. I see no point in deactivating it. Either I permanently delete it or keep it. I'm wondering about what some others here think about Facebook in general.
JamesD
May 24, 2012, 10:37:00 PM5/24/12
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On Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:26:22 PM UTC-7, ++ wrote:
> On May 24, 9:13 pm, JamesD <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 5/24/2012 12:43 PM, Catherine Jefferson wrote:> I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
> > > policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> > > anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> > > public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> > > news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
> >
> > > If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
> >
> > Thanks for the input. I may have to start with small steps (i.e.
> > deactivation as opposed to outright deletion). I suspect your
> > analysis is dead on the money.
>
> Most of my immediate family deactivated all at once, considering it
> bogus that we had to friend or effectively unfriend anyone. Some had
> to keep an account for work, but insisted on using a separate email
> associated with work. And at work, they are making people aware of
> the lack of privacy of data on these social accounts..
I discovered some things about extended family that I wished I hadn't. I
found myself becoming increasingly judgmental of others when they paraded
their lives in such a public fashion. In truth... very little good came from
my three years of being a member. I've deleted my account tonight after some
soul-searching. Family and friends I can maintain contact via my cell phone
and email. There's no real need for a so-called social network (at least in
my life). I don't mean to make a judgment for anyone else who finds it to
be of value in his/her life. But for me... it was time to say good-bye. Thanks
again for the input.
> On May 24, 9:13 pm, JamesD <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 5/24/2012 12:43 PM, Catherine Jefferson wrote:> I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
> > > policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> > > anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> > > public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> > > news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
> >
> > > If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
> >
> > Thanks for the input. I may have to start with small steps (i.e.
> > deactivation as opposed to outright deletion). I suspect your
> > analysis is dead on the money.
>
> Most of my immediate family deactivated all at once, considering it
> bogus that we had to friend or effectively unfriend anyone. Some had
> to keep an account for work, but insisted on using a separate email
> associated with work. And at work, they are making people aware of
> the lack of privacy of data on these social accounts..
I discovered some things about extended family that I wished I hadn't. I
found myself becoming increasingly judgmental of others when they paraded
their lives in such a public fashion. In truth... very little good came from
my three years of being a member. I've deleted my account tonight after some
soul-searching. Family and friends I can maintain contact via my cell phone
and email. There's no real need for a so-called social network (at least in
my life). I don't mean to make a judgment for anyone else who finds it to
be of value in his/her life. But for me... it was time to say good-bye. Thanks
again for the input.
Percival P. Cassidy
May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 AM5/30/12
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On 05/30/12 01:35 pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>>> about this a little:
>>>
>>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
>>> not enough to matter.
>>
>> True, but their services can still be useful.
>>
>> You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>> advertising.
>
> That is true as well. I believe it was Hearst who said that
> "News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
> advertising.
A TV "newsman" (name forgotten) who retired a could years ago said that
one of the head honchos at NBC (I think that was the one) told him that
the programs (not just news but all programs) were there only so that
the ads didn't bump into one another.
Perce
>>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>>> about this a little:
>>>
>>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
>>> not enough to matter.
>>
>> True, but their services can still be useful.
>>
>> You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>> advertising.
>
> That is true as well. I believe it was Hearst who said that
> "News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
> advertising.
A TV "newsman" (name forgotten) who retired a could years ago said that
one of the head honchos at NBC (I think that was the one) told him that
the programs (not just news but all programs) were there only so that
the ads didn't bump into one another.
Perce
Percival P. Cassidy
May 30, 2012, 12:53:03 PM5/30/12
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On 05/30/12 11:45 am, I wrote:
>>>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>>>> about this a little:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>>>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>>>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else,
>>>> but
>>>> not enough to matter.
>>>
>>> True, but their services can still be useful.
>>>
>>> You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>>> advertising.
>>
>> That is true as well. I believe it was Hearst who said that
>> "News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
>> advertising.
>
> A TV "newsman" (name forgotten) who retired a could years ago said that
Oops! "... a couple years ago ..."
>>>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>>>> about this a little:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>>>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>>>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else,
>>>> but
>>>> not enough to matter.
>>>
>>> True, but their services can still be useful.
>>>
>>> You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>>> advertising.
>>
>> That is true as well. I believe it was Hearst who said that
>> "News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
>> advertising.
>
> A TV "newsman" (name forgotten) who retired a could years ago said that
pyotr filipivich
May 24, 2012, 1:33:49 PM5/24/12
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JamesD <canadago...@gmail.com> on Tue, 22 May 2012 19:28:13 -0700
(PDT) typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
A perfect way to know about people you are merely acquainted with
than you actually wanted to know.
Sometimes useful for keeping tabs on some of those acquaintances.
--
pyotr filipivich
Gott hilfen und wir leben.
(God helping and we live ..)
(PDT) typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>For several years I've had a FB account (not that I've used it much). I primarily took it out as a means of communication with my family and a few close friends, always refusing "being friended" by folks I did not know. As a result I've never had more than a few dozen "friends". Lately, however, I've noted that most of my family no longer post on FB (some like my son never did take out an account) making me wonder at the use of FB and the advisability of keeping the account. I see no point in deactivating it. Either I permanently delete it or keep it. I'm wondering about what some others here think about Facebook in general.
Time vampire.
A perfect way to know about people you are merely acquainted with
than you actually wanted to know.
Sometimes useful for keeping tabs on some of those acquaintances.
--
pyotr filipivich
Gott hilfen und wir leben.
(God helping and we live ..)
Catherine Jefferson
May 24, 2012, 3:43:20 PM5/24/12
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I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
--
policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
Catherine Jefferson <tw8...@ergosphere.net>
Blog/Personal: http://www.ergosphere.net
JamesD
May 24, 2012, 9:13:24 PM5/24/12
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On 5/24/2012 12:43 PM, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
> I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
> policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
>
> If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
>
>
> policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
>
> If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
>
>
++
May 24, 2012, 9:26:22 PM5/24/12
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Percival P. Cassidy
May 25, 2012, 9:05:44 AM5/25/12
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On 05/24/12 03:43 pm, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
> I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
> policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
>
> If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
> I'm with Piotr, James. In addition, Facebook's security and privacy
> policies and practices are extremely poor. I wouldn't risk posting
> anything on it that I wouldn't post openly on Usenet here. It is a
> public arena, no safer and no different than a public square, a personal
> news broadcast, or your own newsgroup.
>
> If nobody in your family is using it, maybe it's time to shut it down.
question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
Perce
Percival P. Cassidy
May 25, 2012, 10:52:54 AM5/25/12
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On 05/25/12 01:36 pm, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
> Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
> these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
> to buy and make more money.<wry grin>
True, no doubt, but I post here using an alias and a fake email address
(which I started a decade or more ago just so that my real email address
couldn't be harvested and sold to spammers), and reading newsgroups
using Thunderbird doesn't leave "tracking cookies."
I also get my gmail messages directly to Thunderbird, so that I do not
log in to Google from a browser and then have them knowing everything I
google.
"Perce"
pyotr filipivich
May 25, 2012, 1:17:09 PM5/25/12
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"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nob...@NotMyISP.net> on Fri, 25 May 2012
09:05:44 -0400 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the
following:
If you are not paying for the service (e.G. Facebook) you are not
the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
tschus
pyotr
09:05:44 -0400 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the
following:
the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
tschus
pyotr
JamesD
May 25, 2012, 1:28:43 PM5/25/12
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I'm glad I finally pulled the plug on FB last evening. It will take 2
weeks to completely delete my account (as long as I don't re-activate
it... they make it as tempting as possible to win you back but I'm
determined to leave it permanently). Besides the security issues and
the use of innocent comments on FB against you in some manner, there is
the aspect of narcissism. Why would I believe anyone is remotely
interested in what I ate for dinner last evening other than my wife
and immediate family? And yet over the past three years I've seen my
wall loaded with material like this as well as the fact that it is
so open to gossip. I'm grateful to be a former rather than current
member.
Catherine Jefferson
May 25, 2012, 1:36:05 PM5/25/12
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On 5/25/2012 6:05 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
Under His mercy,
these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
Catherine Jefferson
May 25, 2012, 1:37:11 PM5/25/12
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On 5/25/2012 10:17 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> If you are not paying for the service (e.G. Facebook) you are not
> the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*JACKPOT!!!
> the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
Even if I do sound like a sleazeball spamming marketer in that line. ;)
Under His mercy,
Catherine Jefferson
May 25, 2012, 1:49:35 PM5/25/12
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Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
about this a little:
1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
not enough to matter.
2) Of the popular pay social networking services, the only one whose
about this a little:
1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
not enough to matter.
security and privacy practices and beliefs I trust at all is Twitter.
Even there, you're still in the public eye, but Twitter tells you that
openly and tells you how they operate and make money. They also offer
acceptable and functional privacy and security options, many of them
enabled by default.
3) Take a look at this URL for an alternative:
http://mailpronto.org/
I host this for some students, recent graduates, and a couple of
professors from a college back east. They knew that free public sites
are not free: you pay with your privacy and the ads you read. They
wanted to test out the alternative. This is built on cheap cloud
computing hosting using free open source software. It has email,
private web pages where people can talk about "Facebook" type stuff and
allow access to their friends and family, a private forum for
discussions among the "in group", and public blog for stuff that might
be of wider interest.
Total cost when they get their own VPS (I'm hosting them for the summer,
til the graduates get jobs): something around $50/month, shared among
thirty or so people. So figure under $2/month. You can't get in with
them, but if a group of people wanted to do the same thing, it's pretty
easy.
Under His mercy,
pyotr filipivich
May 25, 2012, 4:00:41 PM5/25/12
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Catherine Jefferson <spam...@spambouncer.org> on Fri, 25 May 2012
10:37:11 -0700 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the
following:
>
>
>Under His mercy,
10:37:11 -0700 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the
following:
>On 5/25/2012 10:17 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> If you are not paying for the service (e.G. Facebook) you are not
>> the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
>
>*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*JACKPOT!!!
>
>Even if I do sound like a sleazeball spamming marketer in that line. ;)
"And what do we have for our departing guest?"
>> If you are not paying for the service (e.G. Facebook) you are not
>> the customer - you are the product being sold to the customer.
>
>*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*JACKPOT!!!
>
>Even if I do sound like a sleazeball spamming marketer in that line. ;)
>
>
>Under His mercy,
pyotr filipivich
May 25, 2012, 4:00:41 PM5/25/12
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Catherine Jefferson <spam...@spambouncer.org> on Fri, 25 May 2012
10:36:05 -0700 typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the
following:
>On 5/25/2012 6:05 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
>Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
>these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
>to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
"Eh, it's a living" - said the guy painting "Down with Capitalism"
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
>Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
>these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
>to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
on the side of a building.
>
>
>Under His mercy,
Todd
May 25, 2012, 8:14:41 PM5/25/12
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On 05/24/2012 10:33 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Time vampire.
Agreed. And, unfortunately, these parts can become that too if
one is not careful. Fortunately, it is much harder in these parts.
-T
And everyone know what is said is "Public".
> Time vampire.
Agreed. And, unfortunately, these parts can become that too if
one is not careful. Fortunately, it is much harder in these parts.
-T
And everyone know what is said is "Public".
Steve Hayes
May 28, 2012, 2:32:14 AM5/28/12
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haven't seen for some time, and for getting and keeping in touch with
family who live far away.
My daughter is studying in Greece, and makes her living by painting ikons.
The recession there isn't helping, because few can afford to buy ikons
any more. When she first went there she wrote long and interesting snail
mail updates, but no more. Now I can only keep track of her doings
through her Facebook updates. Actually they seem to be mostly St
Nektarius's doings. Someone told her that St Nektarius was complaining
that no one was asking him to do anything, so she started asking him to
pray for her, and so she goes to Aegina to his monastery to thank him,
and he immediately does something else.
She occasionally posts other stuff, such as new items about the general
situation in Greece, like the one I posted here recently about fears of a
coup like the 1967 one.
But aside from that there are things on Facebook it is wisest to avoid,
like "apps", which often turn out to be phishing expeditions and the
like.
--
Steve Hayes http://khanya.wordpress.com
Steve Hayes
May 28, 2012, 2:39:34 AM5/28/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:49:35 -0700, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
> about this a little:
>
> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
> not enough to matter.
> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
> about this a little:
>
> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
> not enough to matter.
True, but their services can still be useful.
You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
advertising.
You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
advertising.
> 2) Of the popular pay social networking services, the only one whose
> security and privacy practices and beliefs I trust at all is Twitter.
> Even there, you're still in the public eye, but Twitter tells you that
> openly and tells you how they operate and make money. They also offer
> acceptable and functional privacy and security options, many of them
> enabled by default.
I've often wondered, and have no idea how Twitter make their money, which
> security and privacy practices and beliefs I trust at all is Twitter.
> Even there, you're still in the public eye, but Twitter tells you that
> openly and tells you how they operate and make money. They also offer
> acceptable and functional privacy and security options, many of them
> enabled by default.
is why I tend to distrust them more than Facebook. At least on Facebook
the ads are there to see.
I also use WordPress for blogs, and have no idea how they make their
money.
Steve Hayes
May 28, 2012, 2:48:31 AM5/28/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:36:05 -0700, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
> On 5/25/2012 6:05 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
> Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
> these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
> to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
I think Facebook and Google are fairly upfront about that -- they scan
> On 5/25/2012 6:05 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> Even apart from the security issue in the strict sense, there is the
>> question of people using what they know about you from FB for other
>> purposes. E.g., if you express a strong liking for and interest in
>> buying some product, you may get quoted a higher price on an Internet
>> site; I think the term is "behavioral pricing." On another ng a few
>> weeks back somebody reported that he had mentioned on FB that he had
>> lost a crown, and the next day he was getting ads for dental services.
>
> Yep. This applies to anything you post here or to any public forum
> these days, however. Marketers are always looking for ways to get you
> to buy and make more money. <wry grin>
messages for keywords, and base the ads they show you on those. Well
their computers do. Sometimes when I'm bored I wonder what I might have
written to prompts some of the ad selections.
Of course they are not the only ones who do that. The US Department of
Homeland Security has a list of keywords that marks Internet traffic for
their attention. I've got a link to it somewhere on the Windows side of
my computer, but can't access it easily from this side (Linux). I know
they include words like "pork", "cloud" and "Mexico" -- if you Google for
those you might find the list.
pyotr filipivich
May 30, 2012, 1:35:59 PM5/30/12
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Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> on Mon, 28 May 2012 06:39:34 +0000
(UTC) typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
(UTC) typed in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:49:35 -0700, Catherine Jefferson wrote:
>
>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>> about this a little:
>>
>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
>> not enough to matter.
>
>True, but their services can still be useful.
>
>You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>advertising.
>
>> Putting on my Internet security/antispam/geek hat, I thought I'd talk
>> about this a little:
>>
>> 1) Pyotr was ABSOLUTELY right when he pointed out that, if you use a
>> free service, you are the product, not the customer. There are a few
>> free services that are offered as a public service and nothing else, but
>> not enough to matter.
>
>True, but their services can still be useful.
>
>You could say the same of newspapers or TV that are subsidised by
>advertising.
That is true as well. I believe it was Hearst who said that
"News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
"News" was any article which someone didn't want run. All the rest is
advertising.
>
>> 2) Of the popular pay social networking services, the only one whose
>> security and privacy practices and beliefs I trust at all is Twitter.
>> Even there, you're still in the public eye, but Twitter tells you that
>> openly and tells you how they operate and make money. They also offer
>> acceptable and functional privacy and security options, many of them
>> enabled by default.
>
>I've often wondered, and have no idea how Twitter make their money, which
>is why I tend to distrust them more than Facebook. At least on Facebook
>the ads are there to see.
>
>I also use WordPress for blogs, and have no idea how they make their
>money.
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>> 2) Of the popular pay social networking services, the only one whose
>> security and privacy practices and beliefs I trust at all is Twitter.
>> Even there, you're still in the public eye, but Twitter tells you that
>> openly and tells you how they operate and make money. They also offer
>> acceptable and functional privacy and security options, many of them
>> enabled by default.
>
>I've often wondered, and have no idea how Twitter make their money, which
>is why I tend to distrust them more than Facebook. At least on Facebook
>the ads are there to see.
>
>I also use WordPress for blogs, and have no idea how they make their
>money.
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