Re: Olga Moss Accuses Met. Anthony Bloom of Unspeakable Crimes
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> > This is an outrage. You call yourself a Christian? Leushino is right.
> > First, you disseminate slander about Metropolitan Anthony. Then you
> > slander Leushino and me by stating what is clearly untrue -- that we
> > are defending Ms. Moss. You know that is not the case, yet you make
> > that charge. You, Sir, are a liar.
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> > Here's the issue: What Ms. Moss posted on that site was a whisper. By
> > posting what you have here, on a public newsgroup, and by including
> > the link to the Web site, you have amplified that whisper into a ROAR.
> > You, Al Green, have done this. Ms. Moss could not have a better
> > partner in besmirching the metropolitan's name than Al Green.
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> > Got it?
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> > I cannot help but be angry with you, and may the Lord forgive me for
> > that. But Al, listen up, because I'll be there to remind you that you
> > were warned: Beware of your obsession with Internet posting. It is a
> > stumbling block that could cost you the Kingdom of God. You cannot now
> > say that "no one warned me." The Lord knows that I have and it's here
> > for all to see.
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> > Repent, brother. Repent also of the way you've derided and reviled
> > Olympiada and for the hypocrisy of reproaching her for failings that
> > you yourself share.
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> ***You must be kidding. You are joking, right? Let's all shoot the
> messenger. The message writer gets a free pass. You are a joke!
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> ***Careful. Anger is a sin!!!
---> are you sure about that... certainly Jesus said that if you are
angry with your brother then you have committed murder in his heart
however he was also angry in the temple...
> ***Now then, how do we deal with Olga Moss and her rantings against a good
> and very deceased Metropolitan? What your suggestion?
--> So who is Olga Moss and what is her claim to any fame... does she
state any motive for publishing her accusations...
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aggreen
"leushino" <leushin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Amen, Alec. He won't listen but on the outside chance that he does, you've
> perhaps helped him to save his soul.
***You might want to consider whether your hate-mongering and apparent
tolerance of Olga Moss' charges is soul-saving. LOL!
aggreen
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***Well, my priest says anger is a sin.
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>> ***Now then, how do we deal with Olga Moss and her rantings against a
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>> and very deceased Metropolitan? What your suggestion?
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> state any motive for publishing her accusations...
***It has already been established that Olga Moss is the wife of ROCOR
theologian Vladimir Moss who endorsed his wife's despicable
charges...charges that Alec and Lushino don't seem too upset about.
Dan
> "leushino" <leushinonos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Al, why not just let it go? Let them have the last word and this will
stop.
Alec's posts have shown him to be a decent man. His words are
sincere.
The hardest lenten food of all is humble pie.
aggreen
"Dan" <pras...@communitymail.net> wrote in message
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***I'm sure the soul of the late Metropolitan Anthony Bloom is satisfied
that these guys could care less about that Vladimir Moss' wife alleges.
Alec
> "Dan" <prass...@communitymail.net> wrote in message
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You're deep in prelest, Al.
leushino
online. Al Green crossed the line a long time ago and it would appear
that it is going to take some very strong medicine to bring healing to
his soul. That medicine can only come from the Lord. You and I cannot
bring about a repentant attitude in him. We can pray for him but that's
about all we can do. He is so filled with anger and bitterness,
really... I see little beyond that.
aggreen
> Alec wrote:
> What has happened here, Alec, is the result of years of sinful fighting
> online. Al Green crossed the line a long time ago and it would appear that
> it is going to take some very strong medicine to bring healing to his
> soul. That medicine can only come from the Lord. You and I cannot bring
> about a repentant attitude in him. We can pray for him but that's about
> all we can do. He is so filled with anger and bitterness, really... I see
> little beyond that.
***Amen, bro, amen. Ah done seen da light! LOL! Take the damn log out of
your own eye!
***Still no suggestions about how to counter Olga Moss. What a guy.
***I'm not angry at anyone. I'm just having fun. YOU'RE the one who is hate
mongering against me. Maybe I should be praying for you.
***I'm curious, who am I angry with?
aggreen
"Alec" <Dush...@aol.com> wrote in message
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***LOL! The sins people will commit during their hate mongering!
Alec
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I've had it, Leushino. Who needs this, especially during Lent? There
are two ways to see this. Either Green is completely irrational, why
is why he is accusing us of holding positions we've never taken, of
hate-mongering, etc., all that nonsense -- in which case, there's no
use talking to him, he's already bound over. Or he actually posted
this stuff as a conscious decision to assist the defamation of
Metropoltan Anthony, but in a very sly and underhanded way, so that he
could claim that he was leading Metropolitan Anthony's defense. He
keeps accusing us of siding with Ms. Moss and of not stepping up to
the plate to defend the Metropolitan, which is ridiulous -- but take
note that Al himself has mounted no serious or substantial defense of
the Metropolitan.
Sick stuff - and very sad.
Alec
> "leushino" <leushinonos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Assisting the defamation of a distinguished hierarch and bearing false
witness against other posters is "having fun"?
leushino
Alec, at this point it seems in both our best interests to shake the
cyber dust from our sandals as a witness against him, and filter him
into non-existence. I truly believe the man is completely irrational and
that there really is no point in reasoning with him. Witness his
inability to stop responding to Olympiada when countless posters here
asked him to cease and desist. He's fought so long and hard with Nick
for years on end and doubtless brought ridicule to Christ's Body, the
Church, that something has happened to him. Ichabod comes to mind... the
spirit has left.
Anyway, for my own spiritual well-being, I'm filtering him out from this
point forward. I wish you a blessed Lenten journey.
aggreen
***Supposedly you had me filtered out a long time ago. Another falsehood?
Tsk, tsk!
aggreen
***Thanks for the guffaws! You are a hoot! You do have a funny streak.
Angry? Man have you got me all wrong!
***So, once again I ask...what are you doing to counter the defamation of a
distinguished hierarch.
***And I have never borne falsw witness against anyone. You are a liar.
Shame, and the first week of Great Lent isn't even over yet. Your journey is
going to be quite long this year. I'll pray for your soul.
aggreen
Your hatred of me has been very manifest over the past few days. You it is
who needs Christ's redemptive love.
Dan
Often he's plonked people as Zach070 and then immediately started
talking to them as leushino. He did that with veritas and others. He
is a Pharisee and best ignored, but Alec is not, and you really ought
to make your peace with him and put this Moss business away once and
for all.
leushino
Judge not, lest you be judged, Sir. You've nursed a slight for some time
now and that is speaking out clearly. Take out the beam in your own eye,
before you attempt to remove the speck in another's.
Dan
What I said was based on what I have read. Which of us does a lot of
judging in this group?
leushino
The injunction to avoid judging another does not preclude having read a
few posts in a newsgroup. The fact of the matter is, you do not know me.
You have read a few posts and passed judgment upon me. But in truth, you
know nothing of me. Al Green, on the other hand, has been ranting and
raving on this newsgroup for years. I actually predate his sorry
entrance on this group (under another handle of course) and can well
remember how this group took a nose dive almost from the day he began
posting. We had some interesting posters then: Dr George Stevens, Marina
Robb, Galina Schneider and of course Nick... along with several other
colorful characters. While disagreements were sometimes evident, the
level of juvenile attacks and ad hominems were never anything like we
have today, thanks again to Mr. Green's presence. I've tried several
times to "plonk" him but have failed for a variety of software reasons.
You see, you conclude that my having said I would filter him and then
responding to him at a later date means that I was insincere and did not
follow through on what I had posted. But the fact of the matter is, you
simply do not know this to be true. You only see the end result and jump
to a wrong conclusion.
Look, I think most here agree that Al Green has a number of "issues"
that make many of his posts suspect. I also think that many would agree
that the nature of many of his posts has gone a long way towards
destroying the witness of the Orthodox Church. He needs to be censured
but in an unmoderated forum such as this, it is impossible. The next
best thing is to filter him but given the fact that he has used a number
of different e-mail addresses in the past, the fact that he posts
voluminously throughout the day and the fact that others often respond
to him so that you still end up seeing his comments in spite of your
having filtered him, it's little wonder why I would have eventually
weakened and responded yet again. This latest indignity of bringing Met.
Anthony Bloom of blessed memory and Olga Moss's claims onto a public
forum (and during Great Lent) was simply too much to stomach. He should
be ashamed of himself and certainly of his ridiculous attempts at
shifting the blame to others. I stand by my previous posts and hope we
can let it go at that. Thanks.
Regards
James
Dan
Thanks for the explanation. I guess the difference between us is that
I see a lot of good in Al even if he is sometimes a bit of a bull in a
china shop. Yes he stumbled and he is finding it very hard to own up
to this, but that doesn't mean he didn't get the message.
leushino
All right, Dan. Your position on this is more sound spiritual-speaking,
than mine. I'm too weak spiritually to continue giving him the benefit
of the doubt. For me it's like an alcoholic going into a tavern and
ordering a meal. The temptation for such a person would be too great. I
need to avoid this sort of thing lest I slip yet again. Best wishes to
you during the Fast. Isn't it telling, how the level of attack has
increased?! :)
Dan
Yes it is. I wish you and your family a blessed fast.
Alec
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Still no defense of Metropolitan Anthony, Al? I'm waiting to read your
defense ...
Alec
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We all need Christ's redemptive love. I don't hate you, Al -- I don't
hate anyone -- but if you need that sorry excuse to explain why
somebody wold critcize your behavior, well, that's very sad.
So: I'm still waiting for you to mount a defense of Metropolitan
Anthony's reputation by showing where Mr. Moss is mistaken or
deceived. Then we can all line up to support you ...
ftt
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> ***I'm curious, who am I angry with?
Probably yourself...!!!!
FTT
Skovran
allegations you sure do not hesitate to keep the thread alive on the
Internet. Let it go already and it'll die of its own weight.
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> > On Feb 21, 11:28 am, "aggreen" <aggr...@nospam.net> wrote:
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> > ---> are you sure about that... certainly Jesus said that if you are
> > angry with your brother then you have committed murder in his heart
> > however he was also angry in the temple...
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> ***Well, my priest says anger is a sin.
--- No shortage of sin here on this group then... :-)
> >> ***Now then, how do we deal with Olga Moss and her rantings against a
> >> good and very deceased Metropolitan? What your suggestion?
--- Do you have a suggestion...
> > --> So who is Olga Moss and what is her claim to any fame... does she
> > state any motive for publishing her accusations...
> ***It has already been established that Olga Moss is the wife of ROCOR
> theologian Vladimir Moss who endorsed his wife's despicable
> charges...charges that Alec and Lushino don't seem too upset about.
--- Not much of a claim to fame wife of ROCOR thelogian... does she
have any credentials herself?
Has she or her husband stated their motivation for writing this?
aggreen
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***They are strongly against ROCOR's rapproachment with the moscow
Patriarchate. I suspect they are making outlandish and sinful claims in an
attempt to discredit the ROC-MP and, they hope, prevent the reunion.
aggreen
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>> > Anyway, for my own spiritual well-being, I'm filtering him out from
>> > this
>> > point forward. I wish you a blessed Lenten journey.
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>> ***Supposedly you had me filtered out a long time ago. Another falsehood?
>> Tsk, tsk!-
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> Often he's plonked people as Zach070 and then immediately started
> talking to them as leushino. He did that with veritas and others. He
> is a Pharisee and best ignored, but Alec is not, and you really ought
> to make your peace with him and put this Moss business away once and
> for all.
***Orthodoxy is filled with deceptive Christians. Thanks for the heads up
about Leushy, Dan.
aggreen
***Suggest you follow your own advice when it comes to your attitude towards
me.
aggreen
METROPOLITAN ANTHONY BLOOM: A PERSONAL TESTIMONY
Olga Moss
Introduction: Recent reports from Russia and Serbia that the MP's
Metropolitan Anthony (Bloom) of Sourozh is considered to be a saint and may
be canonized, together with the fact that the St. Herman Calendar for 2006
included the date of his death as if he were a righteous man, led me to ask
my wife, Mrs. Olga Moss, who was very close to him for several years in the
70s, to write down what she knew about him. Some will object that one should
not speak ill of the dead. Our reply is: if, by not knowing the true facts
about a dead man, the living are going to be led into soul-destroying error
by venerating and praying to a pseudo-saint whose teaching was heretical and
his life unclean, then it is better - better, perhaps, even for him,
wherever he may be now - that the truth be told.
Readers will excuse us if, in order to put these facts into context, my
wife includes some biographical details about her own life.
Vladimir Moss.
I was born in Batavia, Indonesia. My father was Dutch and worked for a
Dutch bank. My mother, née Maria Arsenievna Morozova, was a White Russian
from Moscow. Every six months or so we had to move to a different town. All
the schools I went to were Protestant. When the war broke out my mother and
I were in prison under the Japanese for three and a half months, exactly 100
days, and after that we were in a concentration camp for approximately two
years.
After the war I came to England with my first husband, an English
officer serving in the Gurkhas in Java. I joined the Anglican Church and had
my four children baptised in it. Looking at the beautiful churches with
their stained-glass windows depicting the apostles and the saints, and
hearing the creed being recited, I presumed that the Anglican Church had the
Apostolic Faith. But when I was about 40 years old, I felt something
"missing" in the churches. I was also weary with listening to sermons on
third-world poverty and politics, and never about spiritual subjects such as
the angels, death, hell, etc., or with a profound interpretation of the
Scriptures. Then I met someone who belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate in
Ennismore Gardens, London. That Sunday I visited it and when I entered and
heard the choir sing: "Iisus Khristos", I realized how hungry I had been for
the worship of the Lamb. My heart longed for spiritual food and worship.
Always as a child I had believed in the Divine Mystery of the Body and
Blood of Christ. My mother, being Orthodox, used to take me to Orthodox
liturgies, while my father, being a Protestant, took me to the "Apostolic"
Church. When I was about nine years old, when my father was on leave and we
were staying with relatives of my mother in Paris, I met Vladyka John
Maximovich.
Since as a child I had never been stopped from receiving communion in
the Orthodox Church, although I was baptised in the Lutheran Church, I went
up to receive communion in Ennismore Gardens without first doing confession.
But when I was told by Fr. Michael Fortounatto that I had to do confession
first, I readily agreed. Then my mother pointed out that I should be
received into the Orthodox Church since I had only been baptised in the
Lutheran Church. So I phoned up Metropolitan Anthony Bloom, who told me to
come to his house in Upper Addison Gardens, where he gave me chrismation. I
asked my youngest daughter, Sonia, to come with me to be a witness.
Metropolitan Anthony then asked me to arrange retreats that were to be
conducted by him. So we had retreats in St. Teresa's convent school in
Effingham and other places.
In 1970 I went to the Lebanon and then to Jerusalem. After three weeks
in Beirut and one week in Jerusalem, I joined up with a wonderful Orthodox
group from America belonging to the Russian Church in Exile, as she was then
called. They took me to Hebron, where I met the saintly Igumen Ignaty. They
complained to him that I belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate. He looked at
me intently and smiled: "Olga does not know, but when she finds out the
truth about the Moscow Patriarchate, she will act and leave it." I was
bewildered! What was wrong with the Moscow Patriarchate? I asked to do
confession with Fr. Ignaty, and suddenly tears poured out of my eyes. But
then they stopped as abruptly as they had started. I felt as if I had been
cleansed from soot like a chimney. Fr. Ignaty had the gift of giving people
tears of repentance. I went back to may seat and wondered in what way I had
sinned so much!
Returning to England, I began to listen carefully to the sermons of
Metropolitan Anthony, and to the talks he gave at the retreats I organized.
I was shocked when I heard him say to an Anglican girl who had a fiancé who
could not accept that the Lord went up with a human body at the Ascension:
"Of course not! What would God the Father say to Christ: 'What is this human
flesh sitting next to me?'" She laughed in a relieved way, thinking it was
not essential to believe that the Lord went up with His human body! I was at
a loss and ignorant, but I knew in my heart that the reason why Christ died
for us was in order to carry His humanity into the life of the Holy Trinity.
I eagerly started to read the Church Fathers, to learn how to answer
heretics and in that way learn the truth more exactly.
On another occasion I gave Metropolian Anthony a lift to Woodham church
in Woking, where he gave a talk on the Orthodox Church. One speaker asked:
"Do you believe that the Orthodox Church is the True Church?" He replied:
"It is for me! But if you are English, then it is your culture to be an
Anglican." I was very angry, and had words with him when I drove him to
Ennismore Gardens. Surely, I said, there is only One True Church, which is
the Bride of Christ, and there cannot be thousands of different Christian
Churches all believing something different? He did not answer, but changed
the subject, saying only that we have to be tolerant with "beginners". I was
alarmed and thought: How would the Apostles and Saints have answered that
question?"
I also noticed that Metropolitan Anthony never liked to speak about the
Church as the elect.
At one retreat, Vladimir, who had just come on the scene in Ennismore
Gardens, asked Metropolitan Anthony a question about the Holy Spirit. He
gave an evasive answer, and Vladimir looked puzzled. As I had been in the
Lebanon and talked with Abbot Elias and his monks about the Holy Spirit, I
went up to Vladimir and said: "God the Holy Spirit is a Person in His own
right - the third Hypostasis of the Holy Trinity." For Vladimir, this came
as a revelation. I continued: "I've discovered that Fr. Anthony can speak
neither about the Holy Spirit nor about the Church." I also told him that,
according to the Arab Orthodox whom I had visited in the Lebanon, all the
words for the Holy Spirit in Syriac and Aramaic, such as "ruach" and
"shekinah", are feminine.
Once someone asked Metropolitan Anthony about the ten virgins, and why
the five wise virgins did not share their oil with the foolish ones. He
laughed and said that in fact the action of the five wise virgins was quite
unchristian. I looked up St. John Chrysostom on this passage, and found
that, according to him, the source from which the wise virgins get their oil
is the Holy Spirit, and that oil is grace and one cannot share grace with
anyone else. One can only tell him where to get it.
Once my mother came to England and spoke to Metropolitan Anthony for
quite a long time after the liturgy. He seemed quite scared of her. Then she
told me: "He's not Orthodox", and compared him unfavourably with the bishops
and priests of the Russian Church in Exile whom she had known.
He once told me that as a bishop he could break the canons. When I told
this some years later to Metropolitan Epiphanios of Cyprus, he laughed and
said: "It is precisely we bishops who have to uphold and protect the
canons!"
Once a member of the Russian Church Abroad who was a practising
homosexual was told by Vladyka Nikodem of Great Britain that he was not
allowed to receive communion as long as he practised this sin. He went to
the senior priest at Ennismore Gardens, Fr. Michael Fortounatto, who put his
arm around him and told him that in Ennismore Gardens they would allow him
to receive communion since the Moscow Patriarchate was the Church of Love.
Archimandrite Barnabas, who had a small monastery in Wales, told me the
following story. He said that he and Anthony Bloom and one other person had
been living in a skete in France shortly after the war. (It should be
pointed out that Metropolitan Anthony was a French citizen, a surgeon by
training, who had worked for the Maquis, the communist underground, during
the war.) Once a man from Moscow came to the skete and asked to speak to
each of the monks separately. The three monks gathered afterwards to compare
notes. Anthony Bloom refused to reveal the contents of his conversation with
the man, but Archimandrite Barnabas and the other monk found that he had
made them both the same offer: if they joined the MP, opened a parish for
the patriarchate in London, and supplied them with information about the
parishioners gleaned from confession or gossip, then they would be well
looked-after by Moscow.
Archimandrite Barnabas and the other monk rejected the proposal, but
very soon Metropolitan Anthony and his mother turned up in London in a house
with a plaque saying "Moscow Patriarchate", and proceeded to divide the
parish of the Russian Church in Exile, bringing many people to his new MP
parish. Within a few years he was promoted to the episcopate.
On Good Friday, 1975, I was sitting outside the cathedral in Ennismore
Gardens waiting for the burial service to begin. Two women came up to me
separately and began to talk to me. One was a young Frenchwoman. She cried
and said that Metropolitan Anthony had raped her. I could not believe it!
But then the other woman, an Englishwoman who worked for Church Times, and
said that she had been raped by him. The descriptions given by the two
women, who did not know each other, were almost identical! I went to Fr.
Michael Fortounatto and told him what I had heard. He looked at me haughtily
and said: "Are you not used to sin?! I was stunned.
After Pascha I went to the church again, to the place where confessions
were heard. Metropolitan Anthony came out, and I told him: "I haven't come
to do confession, but to ask you if it is true that you have raped Françoise
and [the other woman's name]?" He said: "I have! But I'll tell you
something. I know that when I die I will go to hell. But not because of the
sins I've committed against women - that's nothing! - but because of the sin
I've committed against the Church." I said that even Judas could have been
saved if he had repented and not lost hope in the mercy of Christ. But he
said: "It's too late."
What could this sin against the Church be? I did not dare to ask.
Everything was happening at once. It was like a pack of cards falling down.
Metropolitan Anthony once told me that Metropolitan Nikodem of
Leningrad was a great friend of his and a wonderful Christian, and that they
had gone together to represent the MP at the General Assembly of the World
Council of Churches in New Delhi in 1961. At that time I did not know that
Metropolitan Nikodem was a KGB bishop, and there was nothing written against
him in the English newspapers. However, my father sent me from Holland a
large article from De Telegraaf which claimed that Metropolitan Nikodem was
a major-general of the KGB. I went to speak to the foreign editor of De
Telegraaf, and he told us that Metropolitan Nikodem had been spotted as good
material for the KGB already in his childhood. But he also told us: "Your
greater enemy is Anthony Bloom, since he is an arch-ecumenist and erodes the
Orthodox faith from within."
It is certainly true that Anthony Bloom was an ecumenist. He was even
given a decoration by the Anglicans for his ecumenical work. He wore this on
many occasions.
I was still in the MP when once I was drinking some tea after the
liturgy. Metropolitan Anthony came up to me and said: "Today I'm going to
your country." He meant Holland, which is where my parents lived. I asked
him: "Why?" He replied: "I have to see Bishop Dionysius, as he has caused a
crisis in the Church." I asked: "Why? Is he a Mason?" He replied: "It is
worse than that. I have to discipline him." At that time his driver used to
be a Russian woman from Cambridge called Irene, so I asked him: "Is Irene
taking you to the airport?" He replied: "No, I'm going by taxi." I asked:
"When will you be back?" He said: "Today, I'm just going over to see him."
Now on that day, which was Sunday, I did not know that I myself would
be going over to Holland soon. My father phoned me and asked me to come.
When I had arrived and was sitting with my parents in their sitting room, my
father said: "Isn't it awful that Bishop Dionysius died so suddenly last
Sunday?" I said that I had not read anything about it in the English
newspapers. My father told me that Bishop Dionysius had asked reporters from
all the Dutch newspapers to come and see him. This was on a Friday. He told
them that he had left the Moscow Patriarchate because Patriarch Pimen had
been telling lies publicly on television and radio, saying that there was no
persecution of the faithful in Russia and some other lies. The next day,
Saturday, the papers published this head-line news. Then, on the Sunday, Fr.
Arseny, the monk who lived with Bishop Dionysius, and who had left him in
the morning after the liturgy, returned in the evening to find him dead. On
Monday the newspapers announced that Bishop Dionysius had died of a
heart-attack. I was stunned.
I went with my parents to visit some friends, and Fr. Arseny happened
to be there. He told me with tears that nobody wanted to bury his bishop.
The MP refused to do so, and the Russian Church in Exile also refused
because, although he had applied to join them, he had not yet been
officially received by them. Instead, he had been buried by the local
council with Fr. Arseny and his parishioners standing round his coffin
crying. I said to the monk: "Of course you know that Metropolitan Anthony
visited him on Sunday?" "What?!" exclaimed Fr. Arseny. I told him of our
conversation and how he had told me himself that he was going to visit
Bishop Dionysius that day because he needed to be discipline because of the
crisis he had caused in the Church. Fr. Arseny went pale and said: "I had
better disappear from the scene now that I know this..."
Coming back to England after the nightmare of all these discoveries I
had been making about Metropolitan Nikodem of Leningrad, the women who
claimed they had been raped by Metropolitan Anthony Bloom, his confession
that he would go to hell for his sins against the Church, I consulted with
the other members of our parish, and on the feast of the Dormition we
decided to leave the Moscow Patriarchate. Then I decided I had to go and see
him to tell him personally that I was leaving. He granted me an interview in
his house in Upper Addison Gardens. We sat opposite each other with the
window on either side of us. Not knowing how to begin, I asked him to pray
to the Holy Spirit to guide us. He seemed surprised, but agreed. Then I
said: "Why did you lie to me about Metropolitan Nikodem, saying that he was
a wonderful Christian? According to the Dutch newspapers that he is a
major-general of the KGB, and according to Keston college, he is a
lieutenant-colonel of the KGB. He was groomed as a child to become a KGB
agent." Metropolitan Anthony went pale and looked worried. "How much more do
you know?" he asked. "I want to know for whom you are working - Christ or
Antichrist? The Prophet Elijah said you cannot have one foot in each of two
opposing camps." He jumped up: "What are you going to do?" I said: "Leave
you, of course, as you are not a true bishop." He did not deny this, but
said: "Where are you going?" I said: "Perhaps to the Russian Church in
Exile." He snapped: "That splinter group!" I said: "I'd rather be with a
splinter group if God is there than with a mighty Church organization if God
is not there." "What is the parish going to do?" I answered: "Leave you, of
course." "I want all of you to come to my house next week after the liturgy
of the Exaltation of the Cross to talk with me. Then I will show you
documents to prove that you are wrong." I said: "We'll come to your house,
but not to the liturgy." "Olga," he said, "there is nothing wrong with the
Cross of Christ." "There is nothing wrong with the Cross of Christ," I
agreed, "but there is with the man whose hands are holding it."
On the feast of the Exaltation, several members of the parish,
including Vladimir and I, went to his house. Vladimir explained the reasons
for the parish's decision - the sergianism and ecumenism of the Moscow
Patriarchate. I then asked the metropolitan to show us the documents he had
to prove that we were wrong. He said that he could not find them at that
moment. They were in his attic. We told him that he had had enough time to
find them, and began to leave the room, not asking for his blessing. I was
the last to leave. "May God be with you," he said to me. "He will be," I
replied, "if I remain faithful to Him."
Our parish joined the Russian Church in Exile on the feast of the
Protecting Veil, 1975. Over a year later, in January, 1977, we were visting
Archbishop Vitaly in Montreal. To our amazement, he told us that
Metropolitan Anthony Bloom had applied to be received by the Russian Church
in Exile during the year after we had left him. The Synod of Bishops had met
to discuss his application, and it was agreed that he could be received into
the Church, but not as a bishop. Metropolitan Anthony did not accept this
condition, and remained in the MP. As Archbishop Vitaly said to us: "How
could we receive him as a bishop when for years he had collaborated with the
communists?"
Woking.
March 4/17, 2006.
leushino
> http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/Metropolitan%20Anthony%20Bloom.htm
>
This is disgusting in the worst sense of the word. I could not bear to
read all of it, it is such a pack of lies, slander and vicious gossip.
I'm shocked, Mr Green, that on THIS particular day of the Church, YOU
who have asked for forgiveness with your flip (ditto) would have the
audacity to post publicly for the world to see these slanderous lies.
Metropolitan Anthony of blessed memory is known by thousands around the
world as a man of God. This woman? Who is she? Why would you give any
credence to someone who makes a claim? Does it give you the attention
you crave? Look at the Enquirer-type filth I've managed to post.
Everyone read this, please and then remember that it is I, who posted
it. Indeed, you will undoubtedly give answer for your filthy submission
Mr Green. I truly pity you. For a long time now I've debated filtering
you since the vast majority of your posts are little more than one-line
vicious attacks on others. This post seals it for me. Shame on you. May
God have mercy upon you.
aggreen
not unexpected slam-dunk. Vladimir Moss is highly respected as a theologian
in some Orthodox circles, but that he should have the audacity allow his
wife to post on the internet "for the world to see these slanderous lies" is
unconscionable. Rather than attack me, why not come up with a good defence
against Olga Moss, a most dastardly individual?
***As for the rest of your post, I just consider the source...a
hate-mongering individual who uses me as a scapegoat for your own
frustrations.
***Now then, please formulate a response that will be typical for you with
regards to me. Try and outdo this post...please.
Al
"leushino" <leushin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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David Goode
> Rather than attack me, why not come up with a good defence
> against Olga Moss, a most dastardly individual?
Because you are here posting this shit and she isn't.
--
Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge, West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS
http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/faculty/goode.html
Alec
> ***You have missed the point, but thank you sincerely for your typical and
> not unexpected slam-dunk. Vladimir Moss is highly respected as a theologian
> in some Orthodox circles, but that he should have the audacity allow his
> wife to post on the internet "for the world to see these slanderous lies" is
> unconscionable. Rather than attack me, why not come up with a good defence
> against Olga Moss, a most dastardly individual?
>
> ***As for the rest of your post, I just consider the source...a
> hate-mongering individual who uses me as a scapegoat for your own
> frustrations.
>
> ***Now then, please formulate a response that will be typical for you with
> regards to me. Try and outdo this post...please.
>
> Al
>
>
> news:zHZBh.11$qX...@newsfe04.lga...
>
>
>
> > aggreen wrote:
> >>http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/Metropolitan%20Anthony%20Bloom.htm
>
> > This is disgusting in the worst sense of the word. I could not bear to
> > read all of it, it is such a pack of lies, slander and vicious gossip. I'm
> > shocked, Mr Green, that on THIS particular day of the Church, YOU who have
> > asked for forgiveness with your flip (ditto) would have the audacity to
> > post publicly for the world to see these slanderous lies. Metropolitan
> > Anthony of blessed memory is known by thousands around the world as a man
> > of God. This woman? Who is she? Why would you give any credence to someone
> > who makes a claim? Does it give you the attention you crave? Look at the
> > Enquirer-type filth I've managed to post. Everyone read this, please and
> > then remember that it is I, who posted it. Indeed, you will undoubtedly
> > give answer for your filthy submission Mr Green. I truly pity you. For a
> > long time now I've debated filtering you since the vast majority of your
> > posts are little more than one-line vicious attacks on others. This post
>
> - Show quoted text -
What a cop-out. Olga Moss is making the accusations, therefore let
Olga Moss post them here. Who the hell do you think you are, Al? The
conscience of Orthodoxy? Do you somehow think it''s your ~duty~ to
pass along everything you hear, even grave and shocking accusations
against a distinguished hierarch who isn't here to defend himself?
Suppose these charges are false?
Alec
Exactly!
aggreen
suggestion for countering the smearing of a righteous metropolitan. Good
show, ol' chappie!
***All of you just show how much you could care less that Metropolitan
Anthony's good name is being dragged through the mud. Screw the
metropolitan, let's attack Al Green who cares for the guy very muchy (may
his memory be eternal).
"David Goode" <dj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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aggreen
***Someone who beli3ves Metropolitan Anthony's good name has been
besmerched. But, you don't seem to give a damn. What a guy!
The
> conscience of Orthodoxy? Do you somehow think it''s your ~duty~ to
> pass along everything you hear, even grave and shocking accusations
> against a distinguished hierarch who isn't here to defend himself?
***He's dwead, so we should defend him. But, you find it easier to attack me
than to defend the metropolitan. Sad.
> Suppose these charges are false?
***they are false. But under British law, anyone can write anything about
someone who is deceased without repercussion. But, go ahead and keep
attacking me if it makes you feel like your defending the metropolitan's
good name.
aggreen
>
>> Rather than attack me, why not come up with a good defence
>> against Olga Moss, a most dastardly individual?
>
> Because you are here posting this shit and she isn't.
***You write as if I agree with Mrs. Moss article. I do not. Do you not care
what was written about this holy man.
vo...@lycos.com
> "Alec" <Dushe...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Al
It is pretty much the way of the internet make accusations, twist
truth and attack individuals...
Met Anthony seemed to always be a lighting rod for issues mostly
twists of his often unique and challenging way of stating things.
But all that aside - how do you know that it is untrue...
Alec
> "Alec" <Dushe...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yet another red herring, Green. This is not about defending
Metropolitan Anthony, which none of us can do conclusively because we
lack access to the facts and to the sources. This is about
unthinkingly and irresponsibly disseminating slanders you acknowledge
to be false. With friends like you, the Metropolitan needs no enemies.
Shame on you!
leushino
Al
Do you remember St Paul's admonition?
"Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are
honest, whatever things are just, whatever things are of good report; if
they be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
You are always ready to run here with something titillating... some
piece of scandal... some piece of gossip. This is not edifying and it
does not build the Body. It tears down and all you can do when we point
this out is pout, "Poor me. You are picking on me." Al, you have fought
with others so long that anyone and everyone who does not agree with you
is an enemy. You refuse any correction. And here we are in the first
week of the Great Fast and yet you are feeding upon your dead brother.
aggreen
<vo...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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***I don't...just as we don't know that olga Moss' accusations are true.
However, Metropolitan Anthony's life did not seem to be lived in a manner
that would cause one to believe he could rape and murder.
aggreen
***Sorry. I refuse to accept your shifting of the blame away from olga Moss
and onto me. You are, by your words, defending Mrs. Moss. Shame on you.
aggreen
***By your words, you defend Mrs. Moss. Shame on you. You're the kind of
guy who would allow the Moslem dirtbags to run roughshod over Christians
without raising a finger to help. I feel sad for you.
leush...@gmail.com
have been saying is simply this: YOU are the one who is giving her air-
time. YOU are the one who brought this to light publicly. In fact the
scriptures tell you to HIDE your brother's sin. But you do not obey
the scriptures. Instead you simply rush at breakneck speed to gossip
and that, Mr. Green, is sin of the worst kind. You really should
consider taking Great Lent "off" and giving us all a break from your
gossip and fighting. This should be a time for you to remain silent
for a change. I'm betting you're incapable of it.
Alec
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is an outrage. You call yourself a Christian? Leushino is right.
First, you disseminate slander about Metropolitan Anthony. Then you
slander Leushino and me by stating what is clearly untrue -- that we
are defending Ms. Moss. You know that is not the case, yet you make
that charge. You, Sir, are a liar.
Here's the issue: What Ms. Moss posted on that site was a whisper. By
posting what you have here, on a public newsgroup, and by including
the link to the Web site, you have amplified that whisper into a ROAR.
You, Al Green, have done this. Ms. Moss could not have a better
partner in besmirching the metropolitan's name than Al Green.
Got it?
I cannot help but be angry with you, and may the Lord forgive me for
that. But Al, listen up, because I'll be there to remind you that you
were warned: Beware of your obsession with Internet posting. It is a
stumbling block that could cost you the Kingdom of God. You cannot now
say that "no one warned me." The Lord knows that I have and it's here
for all to see.
Repent, brother. Repent also of the way you've derided and reviled
Olympiada and for the hypocrisy of reproaching her for failings that
you yourself share.
aggreen
<leush...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Whoa! Hold it right there. No one is defending this woman. What people
> have been saying is simply this: YOU are the one who is giving her air-
> time.
***Get a life. The item is posted on the internet availabnle to anyone who
knows how to use Google! LOL!
YOU are the one who brought this to light publicly.
***No, it was already "brought to light" by Olga and her rather oddball
husband.
In fact the
> scriptures tell you to HIDE your brother's sin. But you do not obey
> the scriptures.
***Nor do you in castigating me. Time to remove the log from your own eye!
ROTF!
Instead you simply rush at breakneck speed to gossip
> and that, Mr. Green, is sin of the worst kind.
***And your castigations, your hate-mongering, is just icing on the cake.
keep it up. By yopur posts you may be commiting sin yourself. ;-)
You really should
> consider taking Great Lent "off" and giving us all a break from your
> gossip and fighting.
***Might you follow your own advice?
This should be a time for you to remain silent
> for a change. I'm betting you're incapable of it.
***You are right. I have no need to keep quiet as long as you are around
showing us the Ortho Way!! LOL!
aggreen
>
> This is an outrage. You call yourself a Christian? Leushino is right.
> First, you disseminate slander about Metropolitan Anthony. Then you
> slander Leushino and me by stating what is clearly untrue -- that we
> are defending Ms. Moss. You know that is not the case, yet you make
> that charge. You, Sir, are a liar.
>
> Here's the issue: What Ms. Moss posted on that site was a whisper. By
> posting what you have here, on a public newsgroup, and by including
> the link to the Web site, you have amplified that whisper into a ROAR.
> You, Al Green, have done this. Ms. Moss could not have a better
> partner in besmirching the metropolitan's name than Al Green.
>
> Got it?
>
> I cannot help but be angry with you, and may the Lord forgive me for
> that. But Al, listen up, because I'll be there to remind you that you
> were warned: Beware of your obsession with Internet posting. It is a
> stumbling block that could cost you the Kingdom of God. You cannot now
> say that "no one warned me." The Lord knows that I have and it's here
> for all to see.
>
> Repent, brother. Repent also of the way you've derided and reviled
> Olympiada and for the hypocrisy of reproaching her for failings that
> you yourself share.
***You must be kidding. You are joking, right? Let's all shoot the
messenger. The message writer gets a free pass. You are a joke!
***Careful. Anger is a sin!!!
***Now then, how do we deal with Olga Moss and her rantings against a good
and very deceased Metropolitan? What your suggestion?
***Repent? Ah done seen da light, bro! LOL!
leushino
Amen, Alec. He won't listen but on the outside chance that he does,
you've perhaps helped him to save his soul.
aggreen
> Dan wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 10:19 am, leushino <leushinonos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Dan wrote:
>>>> On Feb 21, 10:12 pm, "aggreen" <aggr...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Alec wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 7:54?pm, "aggreen" <aggr...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> judging in this group?
>>
>
> The injunction to avoid judging another does not preclude having read a
> few posts in a newsgroup. The fact of the matter is, you do not know me.
> You have read a few posts and passed judgment upon me. But in truth, you
> know nothing of me. Al Green, on the other hand, has been ranting and
> raving on this newsgroup for years. I actually predate his sorry entrance
> on this group (under another handle of course) and can well remember how
> this group took a nose dive almost from the day he began posting. We had
> some interesting posters then: Dr George Stevens, Marina Robb, Galina
> Schneider and of course Nick... along with several other colorful
> characters. While disagreements were sometimes evident, the level of
> juvenile attacks and ad hominems were never anything like we have today,
> thanks again to Mr. Green's presence. I've tried several times to "plonk"
> him but have failed for a variety of software reasons. You see, you
> conclude that my having said I would filter him and then responding to him
> at a later date means that I was insincere and did not follow through on
> what I had posted. But the fact of the matter is, you simply do not know
> this to be true. You only see the end result and jump to a wrong
> conclusion.
>
> Look, I think most here agree that Al Green has a number of "issues" that
> make many of his posts suspect. I also think that many would agree that
> the nature of many of his posts has gone a long way towards destroying the
> witness of the Orthodox Church. He needs to be censured but in an
> unmoderated forum such as this, it is impossible. The next best thing is
> to filter him but given the fact that he has used a number of different
> e-mail addresses in the past, the fact that he posts voluminously
> throughout the day and the fact that others often respond to him so that
> you still end up seeing his comments in spite of your having filtered him,
> it's little wonder why I would have eventually weakened and responded yet
> again. This latest indignity of bringing Met. Anthony Bloom of blessed
> memory and Olga Moss's claims onto a public forum (and during Great Lent)
> was simply too much to stomach. He should be ashamed of himself and
> certainly of his ridiculous attempts at shifting the blame to others. I
> stand by my previous posts and hope we can let it go at that. Thanks.
>
> Regards
> James
***You are a laughingstock. And you advised Dan to "judge not." LOL! And
then you turn around and do the very thing you castigate Dan for. I'd say
you are a real jerk!
aggreen
> On Feb 21, 10:11 pm, "aggreen" <aggr...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> "Alec" <Dushe...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Angry? Man have you got me all wrong!
>>
>> ***So, once again I ask...what are you doing to counter the defamation of
>> a
>> distinguished hierarch.
>>
>> ***And I have never borne falsw witness against anyone. You are a liar.
>> Shame, and the first week of Great Lent isn't even over yet. Your journey
>> is
>> going to be quite long this year. I'll pray for your soul.- Hide quoted
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> defense ...
***I absolutely DO defend Met. Anthony against the unconscionable
aggegations of Olga Moss!! I have from the beginning of this thread. I've
been waiting for you and James Leushino to defend the Metropolitan, but you
have been too clouded by your hatred for me to do so.
aggreen
"ftt" <f...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "aggreen" <agg...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:eripm...@enews1.newsguy.com...
>
>>
>> ***I'm curious, who am I angry with?
>
>
> FTT
***Everyone gets POed with him/herself once in awhile!
aggreen
> hate anyone -- but if you need that sorry excuse to explain why
> somebody wold critcize your behavior, well, that's very sad.
>
> So: I'm still waiting for you to mount a defense of Metropolitan
> Anthony's reputation by showing where Mr. Moss is mistaken or
> deceived. Then we can all line up to support you ...
***I can only assume by your words, Alec, that you believe Metropolitan
Anthony was at the least capable of doing the unconscionable things he has
been accused of?
lu.rut...@gmail.com
It is really a shame for someone to spit such filthy murmuring and even more shameful for someone willingly to dig into such filthy and enthusiastically spread this shit.
Percival P. Cassidy
> As a non-orthodox Christian, I am inspired by the books and talks by Metropolitan Anthony.
>
> It is really a shame for someone to spit such filthy murmuring and even more shameful for someone willingly to dig into such filthy and enthusiastically spread this shit.
replying. When I google the text of the subject line I find a message
from 2007 on some other forum. Google Groups strikes again?
Perce
nickk - not the imposter
nickk - not the imposter
Catherine Jefferson
right about what you posted, and you were wrong to post it. Any priest
I've known in the Church would say the same to you privately if you asked.
LET IT GO. Please.
Under His mercy,
--
Catherine Jefferson <tw8...@ergosphere.net>
Blog/Personal: http://www.ergosphere.net
nickk - not the imposter
nickk - not the imposter
nickk - not the imposter
nickk - not the imposter
++
> Amazing all the wackos who come out of the woodwork when James posts. Many alias'?
He had a weakness of targeting certain of the folks on this forum. I was one of them, Nick was the prime one of them and James also got targeted. In his sorrow, he left off targeting. We all learn lessons as we endure what life throws at us. And yet we accomplish small things. For what he accomplished and for his obvious love of his family and the Church, may he rest in eternal memory.
Shocked
> http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/Metropolitan%20Anthony%20Bloom.htm
>
> METROPOLITAN ANTHONY BLOOM: A PERSONAL TESTIMONY
>
> Olga Moss
>
>
>
> Introduction: Recent reports from Russia and Serbia that the MP's
> Metropolitan Anthony (Bloom) of Sourozh is considered to be a saint and may
> be canonized, together with the fact that the St. Herman Calendar for 2006
> included the date of his death as if he were a righteous man, led me to ask
> my wife, Mrs. Olga Moss, who was very close to him for several years in the
> 70s, to write down what she knew about him. Some will object that one should
> not speak ill of the dead. Our reply is: if, by not knowing the true facts
> about a dead man, the living are going to be led into soul-destroying error
> by venerating and praying to a pseudo-saint whose teaching was heretical and
> his life unclean, then it is better - better, perhaps, even for him,
> wherever he may be now - that the truth be told.
>
>
>
> Readers will excuse us if, in order to put these facts into context, my
> wife includes some biographical details about her own life.
>
>
>
> Vladimir Moss.
>
>
>
> I was born in Batavia, Indonesia. My father was Dutch and worked for a
> Dutch bank. My mother, née Maria Arsenievna Morozova, was a White Russian
> from Moscow. Every six months or so we had to move to a different town. All
> the schools I went to were Protestant. When the war broke out my mother and
> I were in prison under the Japanese for three and a half months, exactly 100
> days, and after that we were in a concentration camp for approximately two
> years.
>
>
>
> After the war I came to England with my first husband, an English
> officer serving in the Gurkhas in Java. I joined the Anglican Church and had
> my four children baptised in it. Looking at the beautiful churches with
> their stained-glass windows depicting the apostles and the saints, and
> hearing the creed being recited, I presumed that the Anglican Church had the
> Apostolic Faith. But when I was about 40 years old, I felt something
> "missing" in the churches. I was also weary with listening to sermons on
> third-world poverty and politics, and never about spiritual subjects such as
> the angels, death, hell, etc., or with a profound interpretation of the
> Scriptures. Then I met someone who belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate in
> Ennismore Gardens, London. That Sunday I visited it and when I entered and
> heard the choir sing: "Iisus Khristos", I realized how hungry I had been for
> the worship of the Lamb. My heart longed for spiritual food and worship.
>
>
>
> Always as a child I had believed in the Divine Mystery of the Body and
> Blood of Christ. My mother, being Orthodox, used to take me to Orthodox
> liturgies, while my father, being a Protestant, took me to the "Apostolic"
> Church. When I was about nine years old, when my father was on leave and we
> were staying with relatives of my mother in Paris, I met Vladyka John
> Maximovich.
>
>
>
> Since as a child I had never been stopped from receiving communion in
> the Orthodox Church, although I was baptised in the Lutheran Church, I went
> up to receive communion in Ennismore Gardens without first doing confession.
> But when I was told by Fr. Michael Fortounatto that I had to do confession
> first, I readily agreed. Then my mother pointed out that I should be
> received into the Orthodox Church since I had only been baptised in the
> Lutheran Church. So I phoned up Metropolitan Anthony Bloom, who told me to
> come to his house in Upper Addison Gardens, where he gave me chrismation. I
> asked my youngest daughter, Sonia, to come with me to be a witness.
>
>
>
> Metropolitan Anthony then asked me to arrange retreats that were to be
> conducted by him. So we had retreats in St. Teresa's convent school in
> Effingham and other places.
>
>
>
> In 1970 I went to the Lebanon and then to Jerusalem. After three weeks
> in Beirut and one week in Jerusalem, I joined up with a wonderful Orthodox
> group from America belonging to the Russian Church in Exile, as she was then
> called. They took me to Hebron, where I met the saintly Igumen Ignaty. They
> complained to him that I belonged to the Moscow Patriarchate. He looked at
> me intently and smiled: "Olga does not know, but when she finds out the
> truth about the Moscow Patriarchate, she will act and leave it." I was
> bewildered! What was wrong with the Moscow Patriarchate? I asked to do
> confession with Fr. Ignaty, and suddenly tears poured out of my eyes. But
> then they stopped as abruptly as they had started. I felt as if I had been
> cleansed from soot like a chimney. Fr. Ignaty had the gift of giving people
> tears of repentance. I went back to may seat and wondered in what way I had
> sinned so much!
>
>
>
> Returning to England, I began to listen carefully to the sermons of
> Metropolitan Anthony, and to the talks he gave at the retreats I organized.
> I was shocked when I heard him say to an Anglican girl who had a fiancé who
> could not accept that the Lord went up with a human body at the Ascension:
> "Of course not! What would God the Father say to Christ: 'What is this human
> flesh sitting next to me?'" She laughed in a relieved way, thinking it was
> not essential to believe that the Lord went up with His human body! I was at
> a loss and ignorant, but I knew in my heart that the reason why Christ died
> for us was in order to carry His humanity into the life of the Holy Trinity.
> I eagerly started to read the Church Fathers, to learn how to answer
> heretics and in that way learn the truth more exactly.
>
>
>
> On another occasion I gave Metropolian Anthony a lift to Woodham church
> in Woking, where he gave a talk on the Orthodox Church. One speaker asked:
> "Do you believe that the Orthodox Church is the True Church?" He replied:
> "It is for me! But if you are English, then it is your culture to be an
> Anglican." I was very angry, and had words with him when I drove him to
> Ennismore Gardens. Surely, I said, there is only One True Church, which is
> the Bride of Christ, and there cannot be thousands of different Christian
> Churches all believing something different? He did not answer, but changed
> the subject, saying only that we have to be tolerant with "beginners". I was
> alarmed and thought: How would the Apostles and Saints have answered that
> question?"
>
>
>
> I also noticed that Metropolitan Anthony never liked to speak about the
> Church as the elect.
>
>
>
> At one retreat, Vladimir, who had just come on the scene in Ennismore
> Gardens, asked Metropolitan Anthony a question about the Holy Spirit. He
> gave an evasive answer, and Vladimir looked puzzled. As I had been in the
> Lebanon and talked with Abbot Elias and his monks about the Holy Spirit, I
> went up to Vladimir and said: "God the Holy Spirit is a Person in His own
> right - the third Hypostasis of the Holy Trinity." For Vladimir, this came
> as a revelation. I continued: "I've discovered that Fr. Anthony can speak
> neither about the Holy Spirit nor about the Church." I also told him that,
> according to the Arab Orthodox whom I had visited in the Lebanon, all the
> words for the Holy Spirit in Syriac and Aramaic, such as "ruach" and
> "shekinah", are feminine.
>
>
>
> Once someone asked Metropolitan Anthony about the ten virgins, and why
> the five wise virgins did not share their oil with the foolish ones. He
> laughed and said that in fact the action of the five wise virgins was quite
> unchristian. I looked up St. John Chrysostom on this passage, and found
> that, according to him, the source from which the wise virgins get their oil
> is the Holy Spirit, and that oil is grace and one cannot share grace with
> anyone else. One can only tell him where to get it.
>
>
>
> Once my mother came to England and spoke to Metropolitan Anthony for
> quite a long time after the liturgy. He seemed quite scared of her. Then she
> told me: "He's not Orthodox", and compared him unfavourably with the bishops
> and priests of the Russian Church in Exile whom she had known.
>
>
>
> He once told me that as a bishop he could break the canons. When I told
> this some years later to Metropolitan Epiphanios of Cyprus, he laughed and
> said: "It is precisely we bishops who have to uphold and protect the
> canons!"
>
>
>
> Once a member of the Russian Church Abroad who was a practising
> homosexual was told by Vladyka Nikodem of Great Britain that he was not
> allowed to receive communion as long as he practised this sin. He went to
> the senior priest at Ennismore Gardens, Fr. Michael Fortounatto, who put his
> arm around him and told him that in Ennismore Gardens they would allow him
> to receive communion since the Moscow Patriarchate was the Church of Love.
>
>
>
> Archimandrite Barnabas, who had a small monastery in Wales, told me the
> following story. He said that he and Anthony Bloom and one other person had
> been living in a skete in France shortly after the war. (It should be
> pointed out that Metropolitan Anthony was a French citizen, a surgeon by
> training, who had worked for the Maquis, the communist underground, during
> the war.) Once a man from Moscow came to the skete and asked to speak to
> each of the monks separately. The three monks gathered afterwards to compare
> notes. Anthony Bloom refused to reveal the contents of his conversation with
> the man, but Archimandrite Barnabas and the other monk found that he had
> made them both the same offer: if they joined the MP, opened a parish for
> the patriarchate in London, and supplied them with information about the
> parishioners gleaned from confession or gossip, then they would be well
> looked-after by Moscow.
>
>
>
> Archimandrite Barnabas and the other monk rejected the proposal, but
> very soon Metropolitan Anthony and his mother turned up in London in a house
> with a plaque saying "Moscow Patriarchate", and proceeded to divide the
> parish of the Russian Church in Exile, bringing many people to his new MP
> parish. Within a few years he was promoted to the episcopate.
>
>
>
> On Good Friday, 1975, I was sitting outside the cathedral in Ennismore
> Gardens waiting for the burial service to begin. Two women came up to me
> separately and began to talk to me. One was a young Frenchwoman. She cried
> and said that Metropolitan Anthony had raped her. I could not believe it!
> But then the other woman, an Englishwoman who worked for Church Times, and
> said that she had been raped by him. The descriptions given by the two
> women, who did not know each other, were almost identical! I went to Fr.
> Michael Fortounatto and told him what I had heard. He looked at me haughtily
> and said: "Are you not used to sin?! I was stunned.
>
>
>
> After Pascha I went to the church again, to the place where confessions
> were heard. Metropolitan Anthony came out, and I told him: "I haven't come
> to do confession, but to ask you if it is true that you have raped Françoise
> and [the other woman's name]?" He said: "I have! But I'll tell you
> something. I know that when I die I will go to hell. But not because of the
> sins I've committed against women - that's nothing! - but because of the sin
> I've committed against the Church." I said that even Judas could have been
> saved if he had repented and not lost hope in the mercy of Christ. But he
> said: "It's too late."
>
>
>
> What could this sin against the Church be? I did not dare to ask.
> Everything was happening at once. It was like a pack of cards falling down.
>
>
>
> Metropolitan Anthony once told me that Metropolitan Nikodem of
> Leningrad was a great friend of his and a wonderful Christian, and that they
> had gone together to represent the MP at the General Assembly of the World
> Council of Churches in New Delhi in 1961. At that time I did not know that
> Metropolitan Nikodem was a KGB bishop, and there was nothing written against
> him in the English newspapers. However, my father sent me from Holland a
> large article from De Telegraaf which claimed that Metropolitan Nikodem was
> a major-general of the KGB. I went to speak to the foreign editor of De
> Telegraaf, and he told us that Metropolitan Nikodem had been spotted as good
> material for the KGB already in his childhood. But he also told us: "Your
> greater enemy is Anthony Bloom, since he is an arch-ecumenist and erodes the
> Orthodox faith from within."
>
>
>
> It is certainly true that Anthony Bloom was an ecumenist. He was even
> given a decoration by the Anglicans for his ecumenical work. He wore this on
> many occasions.
>
>
>
> I was still in the MP when once I was drinking some tea after the
> liturgy. Metropolitan Anthony came up to me and said: "Today I'm going to
> your country." He meant Holland, which is where my parents lived. I asked
> him: "Why?" He replied: "I have to see Bishop Dionysius, as he has caused a
> crisis in the Church." I asked: "Why? Is he a Mason?" He replied: "It is
> worse than that. I have to discipline him." At that time his driver used to
> be a Russian woman from Cambridge called Irene, so I asked him: "Is Irene
> taking you to the airport?" He replied: "No, I'm going by taxi." I asked:
> "When will you be back?" He said: "Today, I'm just going over to see him."
>
>
>
> Now on that day, which was Sunday, I did not know that I myself would
> be going over to Holland soon. My father phoned me and asked me to come.
> When I had arrived and was sitting with my parents in their sitting room, my
> father said: "Isn't it awful that Bishop Dionysius died so suddenly last
> Sunday?" I said that I had not read anything about it in the English
> newspapers. My father told me that Bishop Dionysius had asked reporters from
> all the Dutch newspapers to come and see him. This was on a Friday. He told
> them that he had left the Moscow Patriarchate because Patriarch Pimen had
> been telling lies publicly on television and radio, saying that there was no
> persecution of the faithful in Russia and some other lies. The next day,
> Saturday, the papers published this head-line news. Then, on the Sunday, Fr.
> Arseny, the monk who lived with Bishop Dionysius, and who had left him in
> the morning after the liturgy, returned in the evening to find him dead. On
> Monday the newspapers announced that Bishop Dionysius had died of a
> heart-attack. I was stunned.
>
>
>
> I went with my parents to visit some friends, and Fr. Arseny happened
> to be there. He told me with tears that nobody wanted to bury his bishop.
> The MP refused to do so, and the Russian Church in Exile also refused
> because, although he had applied to join them, he had not yet been
> officially received by them. Instead, he had been buried by the local
> council with Fr. Arseny and his parishioners standing round his coffin
> crying. I said to the monk: "Of course you know that Metropolitan Anthony
> visited him on Sunday?" "What?!" exclaimed Fr. Arseny. I told him of our
> conversation and how he had told me himself that he was going to visit
> Bishop Dionysius that day because he needed to be discipline because of the
> crisis he had caused in the Church. Fr. Arseny went pale and said: "I had
> better disappear from the scene now that I know this..."
>
>
>
> Coming back to England after the nightmare of all these discoveries I
> had been making about Metropolitan Nikodem of Leningrad, the women who
> claimed they had been raped by Metropolitan Anthony Bloom, his confession
> that he would go to hell for his sins against the Church, I consulted with
> the other members of our parish, and on the feast of the Dormition we
> decided to leave the Moscow Patriarchate. Then I decided I had to go and see
> him to tell him personally that I was leaving. He granted me an interview in
> his house in Upper Addison Gardens. We sat opposite each other with the
> window on either side of us. Not knowing how to begin, I asked him to pray
> to the Holy Spirit to guide us. He seemed surprised, but agreed. Then I
> said: "Why did you lie to me about Metropolitan Nikodem, saying that he was
> a wonderful Christian? According to the Dutch newspapers that he is a
> major-general of the KGB, and according to Keston college, he is a
> lieutenant-colonel of the KGB. He was groomed as a child to become a KGB
> agent." Metropolitan Anthony went pale and looked worried. "How much more do
> you know?" he asked. "I want to know for whom you are working - Christ or
> Antichrist? The Prophet Elijah said you cannot have one foot in each of two
> opposing camps." He jumped up: "What are you going to do?" I said: "Leave
> you, of course, as you are not a true bishop." He did not deny this, but
> said: "Where are you going?" I said: "Perhaps to the Russian Church in
> Exile." He snapped: "That splinter group!" I said: "I'd rather be with a
> splinter group if God is there than with a mighty Church organization if God
> is not there." "What is the parish going to do?" I answered: "Leave you, of
> course." "I want all of you to come to my house next week after the liturgy
> of the Exaltation of the Cross to talk with me. Then I will show you
> documents to prove that you are wrong." I said: "We'll come to your house,
> but not to the liturgy." "Olga," he said, "there is nothing wrong with the
> Cross of Christ." "There is nothing wrong with the Cross of Christ," I
> agreed, "but there is with the man whose hands are holding it."
>
>
>
> On the feast of the Exaltation, several members of the parish,
> including Vladimir and I, went to his house. Vladimir explained the reasons
> for the parish's decision - the sergianism and ecumenism of the Moscow
> Patriarchate. I then asked the metropolitan to show us the documents he had
> to prove that we were wrong. He said that he could not find them at that
> moment. They were in his attic. We told him that he had had enough time to
> find them, and began to leave the room, not asking for his blessing. I was
> the last to leave. "May God be with you," he said to me. "He will be," I
> replied, "if I remain faithful to Him."
>
>
>
> Our parish joined the Russian Church in Exile on the feast of the
> Protecting Veil, 1975. Over a year later, in January, 1977, we were visting
> Archbishop Vitaly in Montreal. To our amazement, he told us that
> Metropolitan Anthony Bloom had applied to be received by the Russian Church
> in Exile during the year after we had left him. The Synod of Bishops had met
> to discuss his application, and it was agreed that he could be received into
> the Church, but not as a bishop. Metropolitan Anthony did not accept this
> condition, and remained in the MP. As Archbishop Vitaly said to us: "How
> could we receive him as a bishop when for years he had collaborated with the
> communists?"
>
>
>
> Woking.
>
> March 4/17, 2006.
The author of this piece unwittingly exposes herself, it is excruciating to read the sordid process. Aside from from the unmistakably self righteous, compulsive accuser who escapes most markedly through the obsessively gathered catalogue of Metropolitan Anthony's apparent wrongdoings, the narrative is blazingly suspect. This is most dramatically revealed as Mrs Moss recounts the most pernicious accusation, that Metropolitan Anthony was a rapist.
'On Good Friday, 1975, I was sitting outside the cathedral in Ennismore
Gardens waiting for the burial service to begin. Two women came up to me
separately and began to talk to me. One was a young Frenchwoman. She cried
and said that Metropolitan Anthony had raped her. I could not believe it!
But then the other woman, an Englishwoman who worked for Church Times, and
said that she had been raped by him. The descriptions given by the two
women, who did not know each other, were almost identical!'
Olga was casually waiting outside the church for a service to begin and out of nowhere, two women separately approached her and confided to her that they were suffering from the unimaginable trauma of being victims of rape. Furthermore both victims described their experiences in enough detail, in this very public place outside the church, for Olga to remark on the similarities in their descriptions. To cap the entire revelation, Olga deems it appropriate to punctuate her narrative with an exclamation mark, AN EXCLAMATION MARK.
I am sorry, but this whole episode reads like the product of a deeply and dangerously deluded fantasy of a deeply and dangerously deluded mind.
Shocked
No Pet
<canadagoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-7, Shocked wrote:
>
>This is little more than Satanic hatred being expressed during the Lenten
>fast. I am marking this as Abuse and in particular, hate speech. Shame on
>the perpetrator keeping alive such a vile thread.
Who died and left you Pope, hypocrite?