Anyone Make Sense of This Sect?
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Patriarchate of Russia. ROCA were those who didn't like the idea.
One of my sons attended one of their churches in Springfield and found
them a mite strange (it was a place he could get to on Sunday by quick
bus from his dorm so he thought he'd give them a try. Anyway, after
his report on what happened there, I looked them up. Here is their
list of parishes. It is really hard to figure out how many actual
parishes they have. They seem to have a plethora of bishops and a
stuffed Synod of bishops and a number of Diocese, all corresponding to
the various bishops or locum tenans, but actual parishes are hard to
address. It seems that sometimes there MIGHT be a parish in Haiti,
for example, but sometimes not.
People are listed over and over again in varios languages. Can anyone
make sense of this mess?:
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super anti-communist faction of the ROCOR that didn’t want the
raproachment between the ROCOR and the MP. What has happened in the
meantime reminds one of the HOCNA, with connections to the same old
calendarist factional churches in Patriarchates abroad, reduplication
of basic information on bishops and parishes to make it appear as if
the jurisdiction is larger than it is, and a number of ways one can
send them cash.
I’m going to put numbers next to the info I think might actually be a
parish, whether or not they have buildings. I am going to assume that
if you have to call someone to find out where there MIGHT be a
service, that a parish is really not organized. I am generally going
to give the benefit of the doubt. I’ve come up with a feeling there
are 15 organized groups approximating the two or three gathered
together in His name.
Jurisdictionalism is ugly, but so is getting cavalier with the
canons. However heartfelt the decisionmaking for the formation of the
ROCA initially from the ROCOR ( one website for a supposed parish is
only a photograph of an icon of a former ROCOR bishop as if he is a
saint.The gilding on the halo looks pretty fresh)
Boston, MA. Contact Rev. Dmitry Amelchenko for information on services
Tel. 781-828-2747 e-mail: dmitr...@yahoo.com
#1 -Washington. 7632 CHANCELLOR WAY, SPRINGFIELD, VA 22158, USA Tel:
703-8661198 Web: http://www.holyascension.in
#2 - Liberty, TN. Annunciation Church. Agape Community. V. Rev.
Gregory Williams. 1180 Orthodox Way, Liberty, TN 37095, USA Tel:
615-5365239; Fax: 615-5365945
#3 - New York, NY. Holy Trinity Church. V. Rev. Wsewolod Dutikow
2536 37th St., New York, NY
#4- Pottstown, PA. St. Innocent Orthodox Mission. 850 Vaughn Rd,
Pottstown, PA 19465-8022. USA Tel.: 610-323-9349Y 11103, USA. Tel:
718-7267870; e-mail dut...@juno.com [this is a private residence]
#5 - Willits, California. St. John the Merciful Chapel. Rev.
Vladimir Anderson.24200 North Hwy, Mailing address: P.O. Box 302,
Willits, CA Tel: 707-4595424 [private home]
#6 - Las Vegas, Nevada. St. Nicholas Mission. V. Rev. Elias Warnke.
6433 Brooks Ave. Las Vegas, NV 89108 Tel: (702) 789-0427 (c) 702
927-7730 fre...@delja.net [private home with a concrete front yard
Last assessed at $64,471 on 2010 ]
San Jose, CA. Mailing address: P.O. Box 24633, San Jose, CA 95154
Voice mail: 1-800-837-0575 Website: www.newmartyrschurch.org E-mail:
in...@newmartyrschurch.org
#7 -Cleveland, NY. St. Nicholas convent. 24 TYNAN ROAD, CLEVELAND, NY
13042, USA Tel: 315-675-3178, e-mail: con...@stnicholasconvent.org
Nun Agape
Richfield Springs, NY. St. Nikita Skete ev. Nikita Grigoriev. PO BOX
1410, RICHFIELD SPRINGS, NY 13439-1410, USA Tel: 315-8580552/Fax:
315-85821845 e-mail: nik...@nikeaindooroutdoor.com [this so called
parish is only accessible by email]]
Valley Cottage, NY. St Sergius Chapel [This is the Tolstoy
Foundation's famous church and they seem to have talked the Foundation
into manning their chapel?][ http://www.tolstoyfoundation.org/heritageindex.html
]
London, Ontario. London, Ont. Community of the Icon of the Saviour
Not-Made-with-Hands Contact Mrs. Olga S. Sauer for information on
service times/location. Tel (519) 642-2964 e-mail:
bookstor...@gmail.com
#8 - Ottowa, Ontario. St. Xenia of St. Petersburg. Priest Oleg
Mironov. 2 COLCHESTER SQ, KANATA, ON K2K 2W9, CANADA. Tel:
613-5999367 http://www.stxenia.ca
http://www.ipc.od.ua/e_krim.htm has a bunch of parishes abroad:
Most of these following exceptthe one in Odessa are homemade chapels
in houses or one monastery
#8 Brest
#9 Minsk, Belarus
#10-#12 – Three homemade churches in Moldova
#13 Odessa, Ukraine – actual church
#14 Poltava
#15 Kerch, Crimea
Alexander Arnakis
wrote:
Kinda pathetic. Buncha old men muttering in their beards, as if their
life-long obsessions were somehow in the least bit relevant in today's
world. Either that, or these are outright scams to raise money for
some social parasites.
Catherine Jefferson
> Kinda pathetic. Buncha old men muttering in their beards, as if their
> life-long obsessions were somehow in the least bit relevant in today's
> world. Either that, or these are outright scams to raise money for
> some social parasites.
Not, in at least a couple of cases. I am acquainted with Fr. Vladimir
Anderson: in the mid-1990s he substituted for my parish priest, Fr.
John, on a few occasions when Fr. John and his wife went on vacation or
to a conference. He's old, but by no means an old man muttering in his
beard. ;) He's certainly not a scammer.
I also know Fr. Gregory Williams in Liberty, Tennessee. He and his
family run an Orthodox publishing house that produced many of the
calendars and daily liturgical material that my church in Sunnyvale
used. He's about my age (50). Fr. Gregory and his family were always
quite conservative and vehemently anti-communist. They didn't believe
that the Moscow Patriarchate had repented sufficiently after the end of
communism, and felt betrayed after the ROCOR hierarchy started talking
with them again in the early 2000s.
The original breakaway group from ROCOR at this time was significant;
I'd estimate it was at least 20% of ROCOR's active membership, and quite
likely twice that. Unfortunately starting a schism is much easier than
ending the process -- that original group has splintered into at least
four groups that I know of now. This is just one of them.
--
Catherine Jefferson <tw8...@ergosphere.net>
Blog/Personal * <http://www.ergosphere.net/>
The SpamBouncer * <http://www.spambouncer.org/>
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wrote:
The one that's local here is run by people who used to atend Father
VIctor's parish...and got outrageous. They thinjk the ROCOR is
ecumenist and won't admit anyone who communes there. And that's
before they suggest what they think of the OCA...and then a step down
from that, the Greeks.
What are the other 3 splinter groups of the ROCOR? I haven't heard of
any others.
Catherine Jefferson
> The one that's local here is run by people who used to atend Father
> VIctor's parish...and got outrageous. They thinjk the ROCOR is
> ecumenist and won't admit anyone who communes there. And that's
> before they suggest what they think of the OCA...and then a step down
> from that, the Greeks.
ROFL! I know. The people from a couple of these groups have told me
what they think -- sometimes repeatedly. I'm in the OCA now, after all.
<wry grin>
> What are the other 3 splinter groups of the ROCOR? I haven't heard of
> any others.
There's the group you found, which is Metropolitan Agafangel's group:
http://sinod.ruschurchabroad.org/engindex.htm
There's ROCIE/ROCE-SOBOR, which is the group that Met. Vitaly headed for
years after retiring from ROCOR, and the group that one of my closest
friends was in before her death:
There's a group that is primarily focused on South America, whose ruling
bishop is headquartered in Glendora, California. I don't believe that
they have a web site.
Then, there's a group of churches in Pennsylvania that didn't like any
of the other splinters and (last I heard) went off on their own.
I'm quite certain that there are other factions as well by now.
Schism/factionalism is a deadly contagious disease. :/
Under His mercy,
--
Catherine Jefferson <tw8...@ergosphere.net>
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wrote:
> On 2/15/2011 2:04 PM, ++ wrote:
>
> > The one that's local here is run by people who used to atend Father
> > VIctor's parish...and got outrageous. They thinjk the ROCOR is
> > ecumenist and won't admit anyone who communes there. And that's
> > before they suggest what they think of the OCA...and then a step down
> > from that, the Greeks.
>
> ROFL! I know. The people from a couple of these groups have told me
> what they think -- sometimes repeatedly. I'm in the OCA now, after all.
> <wry grin>
>
> > What are the other 3 splinter groups of the ROCOR? I haven't heard of
> > any others.
>
> There's the group you found, which is Metropolitan Agafangel's group:
>
> http://sinod.ruschurchabroad.org/engindex.htm
>
> There's ROCIE/ROCE-SOBOR, which is the group that Met. Vitaly headed for
> years after retiring from ROCOR, and the group that one of my closest
> friends was in before her death:
>
> http://www.roca-sobor.org/ru
>
> There's a group that is primarily focused on South America, whose ruling
> bishop is headquartered in Glendora, California. I don't believe that
> they have a web site.
>
> Then, there's a group of churches in Pennsylvania that didn't like any
> of the other splinters and (last I heard) went off on their own.
{:-| (consternation)
>
> I'm quite certain that there are other factions as well by now.
> Schism/factionalism is a deadly contagious disease. :/
Where there are willful, there are separate paths
>
> Under His mercy,
>
> --
> Catherine Jefferson <tw86...@ergosphere.net>
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By the way, this Outside the Walls (ROC Zagranitsi) sect I just posted
claims some of the same churches in Moldova, etc. as the sect I posted
yesterday ROCA
On Feb 15, 7:25 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
> Catherine Jefferson <tw86...@ergosphere.net>