Re: What exactly didJesus want men to preach and teach?

[P+Barker]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>Well?
>

Read the New Testament.

[P+Barker]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:50:10 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<ag0rfh908t6t5u8lj...@4ax.com>):

>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well?
>>
>> Read the New Testament.
>

>How come you do not know?

Perhaps you should get a "red letter" New Testament.
You might learn something.

[pyotr filipivich]

P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:28:57 -0400 typed
in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:

"red letter" is a tradition of men.
--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

[pyotr filipivich]

It is a hoot. Robert, after declaring that all who came before
him are following the "traditions of men", is quite surprised when his
questions are treated in accordance with scripture: "Answer the fool
according to his folly..."
>

Robert <no...@none.com> on Wed, 17 Aug 2022 22:45:40 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Aug 17, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>> That no doubt will always remain a mystery.
>
>Yet it need not be. Evidently you suffer from the same malady as did some of
>the disciples which displeased Jesus so greatly that he upbraided them for
>their lack of belief.

Like I said, Robert feels that what he has received his special
confirmation of must be the answer to his question "What exactly
didJesus want men to preach and teach?" And of course, none other has
his special insight, especially those who "claim" to still be
following what the Apostles taught.

>> Because barring Special Revelation, all we have is "the
>> traditions of men".
>Fortunately a special revelation has been given to those that believe.

The Irony here is astonishing.
--
pyotr filipivich
Monotheism, someone has said, offers two simple axioms:
1) There is a God.
2) It's not you.

[P+Barker]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:18:28 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 18, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<5i8sfh5bu2e15hb5t...@4ax.com>):

>What exactly has it shown you?

The way, the truth, and the light.

[P+Barker]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:29:31 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:28:57 -0400 typed
>in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>>On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:50:10 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>(in article<ag0rfh908t6t5u8lj...@4ax.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Well?
>>>>
>>>> Read the New Testament.
>>>
>>>How come you do not know?
>>
>>Perhaps you should get a "red letter" New Testament.
>>You might learn something.
>
> "red letter" is a tradition of men.

Yes. But some people need to be led by the nose.

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>Like those that pray to Mary and those some religions made saints?

We beseech Mary to pray for us.
And which saint has done you wrong?

[P+Barker]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:49:13 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<l21vfh9i45fs573dq...@4ax.com>):

>Then did you give up prayers to Mary and the Saints?

Have you given up your beliefs on baptism, confirmation, and the Son
of God?

[P+Barker]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:52:48 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<c51vfh9d6hpr7cmco...@4ax.com>):

>It is a shame that this is all a game to you.

What a game is.... is your silly beliefs.

[P+Barker]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:46:57 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<sh00ghdu4ld5vm91s...@4ax.com>):

>What is confirmation?
>
>So you admit to heathen tendencies and prayers to Mary.

What tendency?
What prayer?

[P+Barker]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:54:16 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<7k00ghdjq8obi9707...@4ax.com>):

>May you see the mercy of God before you pass on.

I will. I have... I'm good.

[Mattb]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:46:57 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<sh00ghdu4ld5vm91s...@4ax.com>):

>What is confirmation?
>
>So you admit to heathen tendencies and prayers to Mary.

Careful.

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:58:28 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<aki1ght4qn1p608a7...@4ax.com>):

>You are fully aware of your sinning against God.

I am fully aware of your sinning against God.

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:02:28 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<eli1ghdqe0pudmnle...@4ax.com>):

>“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
>of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
>of his.” (Rom 8:9)
>
>God knows what dwells in your soul and what does not.

So why do you pretend that you know?
Me n' God are good.

[Mattb]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:29:31 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:28:57 -0400 typed
>in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>>On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:50:10 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>(in article<ag0rfh908t6t5u8lj...@4ax.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Well?
>>>>
>>>> Read the New Testament.
>>>
>>>How come you do not know?
>>
>>Perhaps you should get a "red letter" New Testament.
>>You might learn something.
>
> "red letter" is a tradition of men.

It is just the words of Jesus highlighted, why is that a problem for
fundamentalists, be they catholic or protestant? Those who follow
paulianity and reject Jesus teachings are not followers of Jesus.
Those that have hate-filled churches and many do, the RCC is just the
oldest hate-filled Christian/pagan church.

[pyotr filipivich]

P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 07:50:53 -0400 typed
in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:46:57 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:49:13 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>> > On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>>> > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:18:28 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>> > > > On Aug 18, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>>> > > > > On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:50:10 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > On Aug 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>>> > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > Well?
>>> > > > > > > Read the New Testament.
>>> > > > > > How come you do not know?
>>> > > > > Perhaps you should get a "red letter" New Testament.
>>> > > > > You might learn something.
>>> > > > What exactly has it shown you?
>>> > > The way, the truth, and the light.
>>> > Then did you give up prayers to Mary and the Saints?
>>> Have you given up your beliefs on baptism, confirmation, and the Son
>>> of God?
>>What is confirmation?
>>So you admit to heathen tendencies and prayers to Mary.
>What tendency?
>What prayer?

I find it interesting that it does seem that the only ones who
worship Mary are the devote Protestants (Reformed) who are adamant
that they don't.
I find it sad, that in their "Romaphobia", they denigrate the
mother of the person they claim is their Lord and Savior. Meh.

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:31:26 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>(in article<igm2ghh9d5t1e18k7...@4ax.com>):

>Neither one of your sentences made sense. Especially given that the Orthodox
>were the first major protestants.
>
>Maybe, relative to your devotion to Mary you believe that others denigrate
>her, yet you denigrate God in making her Queen of Heaven.

You make many claims also.
It doen't make it so.

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:15:07 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

<Yawn>

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:38:51 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<mv82ghd24en3l2k7b...@4ax.com>):

>There is no pretense on my part, I take you at your admitted words

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:30:39 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<r6d4gh1rmcmjtan8q...@4ax.com>):

>Of course not, however scripture does not lie as it makes it known to man
>what the will of God is. That they turn a deaf ear towards God gives them no
>excuse.

Stop turning a deaf ear.


>God turned over the people who sought to worship the Queen of Heaven, to her,
>to feed and clothe them, they soon faced death and famine, yet they continued
>to pray to her. God is a jealous God.

Prove it.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:36:44 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<p9d4ghd5ml0glrhlc...@4ax.com>):

>I don't pretend, you have been honest about your RCC ideations and beliefs.
>They cannot save a soul. Especially when they reserve the right to toss you
>out of heaven if they find you had committed secret sins after you died.

The RCC does not have the power to throw people out of heaven.
When God judges you, that is final.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:01:25 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<eu95ghd238hhrgqjv...@4ax.com>):

>“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women
>knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out
>drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” (Jer
>7:18)
>
>READ Jeremiah all of it, for the full story. You were shown this before.

Isn't Jer in the Old Testament? What does it have to do with Mary,
the Mother of Jesus? do you follow and believe the OT? I thought you
claimed we were not under the Old Covenant. Christian (including
Catholics) do not follw the OT for beliefs in Chrstianity.
Didn't you know this?

Do you follow the OT rules? Do you refuse eating raw meat or pork or
shell?sh, Do you execute people for breaking the Sabbath, not wearing
garments woven with two kinds of material?

Do you pick and choose which rules to follow.

Why do you think Jer is speaking about about Mary, the mother of
Jesus.

Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations
regarding puri?cation; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared
all foods “clean.” The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his
reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the
temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacri?cial system
and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the
ultimate sacri?ce for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that
makes us clean now.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:20:34 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<i0a5gh5k2jdb1g3d5...@4ax.com>):

>Why do you lie? Or are just ignorant of your religion. The RCC who kept Joan
>of Arc out of heaven, and then later let her into heaven. As well as many
>other people.

You are full of shit.

[pyotr filipivich]

Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:15:07 -0700 typed
in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

Missed it by that much.

[pyotr filipivich]

Robert <no...@none.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:31:26 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>On Aug 20, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>(in article<igm2ghh9d5t1e18k7...@4ax.com>):
>

>Neither one of your sentences made sense. Especially given that the Orthodox
>were the first major protestants.

And there is Robert's excuse: the Orthodox were Protestants
(Not_Roman Catholic) so he is free to make his own decisions about
what is and isn't "canonical".

>Maybe, relative to your devotion to Mary you believe that others denigrate
>her, yet you denigrate God in making her Queen of Heaven.

"It's a beautiful day at the race track, not a cloud in sight. And
there's the starter's gun, and They're Off! Robert makes a strong
start and then, well where ever he's haring off to, it isn't on track
..."

Robert, you never fail to amuse. So often sure, so rarely right.
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[pyotr filipivich]

P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:40:53 -0400 typed
in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

You have to remember: Robert does not believe in asking for
intercessory prayer, as he apparently equates that with Worship.

[Mattb]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:33:00 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2022, Mattb wrote
>(in article<nl82ghpaqgq3jqo93...@4ax.com>):

>Regarding?

Telling truth, some members of the RCC hate truth.

[Mattb]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 11:15:17 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<lo77ghtpqq731bsl1...@4ax.com>):

>https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Joan-of-Arc/Character-and-
>importance
>
>Read this biography regarding her and the RCC.
>
>You are correct in that the RCC cannot over ride the word of the Lord, nor
>countermand his authority. Yet it never stopped them from declaring its
>authority over you and your family.

The RCC is about power and control and to them fear is a useful
tool for control. Let's not forget greed also. Just look at RCC
history.

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

Patrick:

>> Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations
>> regarding puri?cation; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared
>> all foods “clean.” The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his
>> reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the
>> temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacri?cial system
>> and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the
>> ultimate sacri?ce for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that
>> makes us clean now.
>

>Jesus instructed the disciples where he was to be found in the OT. He taught
>from the OT.

He didn't instruct the disciples where he was to be found in the OT.
What a stupid statement.
Of course He taught from the OT. He was a Jew.



>The Mother of Jesus was spoken of in the OT.

Where?


>Was there an Old Covenant to be found in the OT? Yes. But the OT is full of
>the word of God for todays time as well as it was then. It is also full of
>the events of this worlds tomorrows with exquisite details.

Yawn. according to robt, the cult leader wannabe,


>Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have little
>knowledge of Truth?

Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have
little knowledge of Truth?


>Does God change his mind about the things that he hates?

Good Question.
Would you like to discuss Jeremiah 18, Exodus 32, 1 Samuel15, and
Numbers 23.
I didn't hear you.

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>According to you, all "protestants" were RC's at one time. Now your sentence
>makes even less sense than it did before.

How about if you define what a protestant is.

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:25:19 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2022, Mattb wrote
>(in article<2se8ghlg84bimd84l...@4ax.com>):

>You are correct.


One dork insults the catholics. Then a second dork high fives him.

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 11:15:17 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<lo77ghtpqq731bsl1...@4ax.com>):

>

>> > Why do you lie? Or are just ignorant of your religion. The RCC who kept Joan
>> > of Arc out of heaven, and then later let her into heaven. As well as many
>> > other people.
>>
>> You are full of shit.
>> The RCC does not have the power to throw people out of heaven.
>> When God judges you, that is final.
>

>https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Joan-of-Arc/Character-and-
>importance
>
>Read this biography regarding her and the RCC.

What about it?

>You are correct in that the RCC cannot over ride the word of the Lord, nor
>countermand his authority. Yet it never stopped them from declaring its
>authority over you and your family.

The RCC does not have it has authority over me and my family.
What a stupid statement.

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 19:35:02 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

<Yawn>

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:43:15 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote
>(in article<97122d57-62c6-4285...@googlegroups.com>):

>
>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 9:24:06 AM UTC+10, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:40:53 -0400 typed
>> > in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> > > Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Like those that pray to Mary and those some religions made saints?
>> > >
>> > > We beseech Mary to pray for us.
>> > > And which saint has done you wrong?
>> > You have to remember: Robert does not believe in asking for
>> > intercessory prayer, as he apparently equates that with Worship.
>>

>> It looks that way.
>> Prayer is definitely not a form of worship.
>
>Satan loves to hear that, especially recently as the RCC sings songs of
>worship to him annually. To whom one bends the knee, that is who they
>worship.

Prove it.
You are full od stupid statements today.


>> Prayer-life is part of Christianlife because what He wrought on the Cross.
>
>Sound like the right thing to say, but look at all the objects people pray
>to, and or before.

You look at them. You are the one with a problem.


>Prayer to the cross of shame that killed the Lord. Who was the victor, the
>cross or Jesus?

No one prays to a wooden cross.


>Did Mary do anything to put Jesus there? Did Mary save you? Did not Mary also
>carry the children of her husband Joseph?

Nope. Nope. Nope.



>Luk 11:27-28
>27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the
>company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessedis the womb that bare
>thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

How dishonest of you.
Read the whole verse.
27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her
voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are
the breasts that nursed You!” 28 But He replied, “Blessed rather are
those who hear the word of God and obey it.”…


>28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and
>keep it.
>What did Jesus think was important?

Certainly not the breasts......

[P+Barker]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:47:56 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<6lbaghh5oqhl9pih4...@4ax.com>):

>Yet you have signed documents with them, giving them certain authority in
>various issues. Just like your oath to KFC.

What documents?
What oath?


What is the oath of the Knights of Columbus?
I pledge myself, as a Catholic citizen and l Knight of Columbus, to
enlighten myself fully upon my duties as a citizen and to
conscientiously perform such duties entirely in the interest of my
country and regardless of all personal consequences.


What is the Knights of Columbus initiation?
Image result for Oath of the Knights of Columbus
The new exemplification ceremony inducts new members into the first,
second and third degrees at the same time, where they are entrusted
with a rosary, a Knights of Columbus pin and a cross. The ceremony
takes about 30 minutes, as opposed to being broken up into three parts
and taking 2 ½ hours.Aug 25, 2020


What are the four principles of the Knights of Columbus?
The Knights of Columbus is the world's largest Catholic fraternal
service organization. Founded 130 years ago by the Venerable Father
Michael McGivney at St. Mary's parish in New Haven, CT, the Knights
uphold four key principles as pillars of the order: Charity, Unity,
Fraternity and Patriotism.

[P+Barker]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:41:21 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<52baghd4mn8og2ifg...@4ax.com>):

>
>> Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick:
>> > > Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations
>> > > regarding puri?cation; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared
>> > > all foods “clean.�€ The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his
>> > > reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the
>> > > temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacri?cial system
>> > > and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the
>> > > ultimate sacri?ce for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that
>> > > makes us clean now.
>> >
>> > Jesus instructed the disciples where he was to be found in the OT. He taught
>> > from the OT.
>>
>> He didn't instruct the disciples where he was to be found in the OT.
>> What a stupid statement.
>

>“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the
>prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to
>enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he
>expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And
>they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he
>would have gone further. But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for
>it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with
>them. And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and
>blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they
>knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” (Luk 24:25-31)

Oh, he expounded unto them scriptures.
That is what He did.
What did he expound again?

>> Of course He taught from the OT. He was a Jew.
>>
>> > The Mother of Jesus was spoken of in the OT.
>>
>> Where?
>

>Isaiah. For one.

Where?


>> > Was there an Old Covenant to be found in the OT? Yes. But the OT is full of
>> > the word of God for todays time as well as it was then. It is also full of
>> > the events of this worlds tomorrows with exquisite details.
>>
>> Yawn. according to robt, the cult leader wannabe,
>

>You have yawned your way through the RCC.

Nah, I just yawn at stupid statements made against the RCC.

>> > Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have little
>> > knowledge of Truth?
>>
>> Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have
>> little knowledge of Truth?
>

>Yes, It might be meager.

>>
>>
>> > Does God change his mind about the things that he hates?
>>
>> Good Question.
>> Would you like to discuss Jeremiah 18, Exodus 32, 1 Samuel15, and
>> Numbers 23.
>> I didn't hear you.
>

>You never do, but you should listen to the Lord.

[P+Barker]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:42:04 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>(in article<7gbaghdkq2a8sq1j9...@4ax.com>):

>It is a RC term.

It works for me.

[Mattb]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 16:18:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich

<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:15:07 -0700 typed
>in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:29:31 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:28:57 -0400 typed
>>>in alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox the following:
>>>>On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:50:10 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Aug 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>>>(in article<ag0rfh908t6t5u8lj...@4ax.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:33:40 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the New Testament.
>>>>>
>>>>>How come you do not know?
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you should get a "red letter" New Testament.
>>>>You might learn something.
>>>
>>> "red letter" is a tradition of men.
>>
>> It is just the words of Jesus highlighted, why is that a problem for
>>fundamentalists, be they catholic or protestant? Those who follow
>>paulianity and reject Jesus teachings are not followers of Jesus.
>>Those that have hate-filled churches and many do, the RCC is just the
>>oldest hate-filled Christian/pagan church.
>
> Missed it by that much.

Missed what exactly?

[pyotr filipivich]

Robert <no...@none.com> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:43:15 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>On Aug 22, 2022, Ollie Smth wrote

>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 9:24:06 AM UTC+10, pyotr filipivich wrote:

>> > P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:40:53 -0400 typed
>> > in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>> > > Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Like those that pray to Mary and those some religions made saints?
>> > >
>> > > We beseech Mary to pray for us.
>> > > And which saint has done you wrong?
>> > You have to remember: Robert does not believe in asking for
>> > intercessory prayer, as he apparently equates that with Worship.
>>

>> It looks that way.
>> Prayer is definitely not a form of worship.
>
>Satan loves to hear that, especially recently as the RCC sings songs of
>worship to him annually. To whom one bends the knee, that is who they
>worship.

Alas, poor Robert. Projects his religion onto everyone else. Has
no examples of the Christian life to serve as role models. Nor
apparently does he believe that there is life after death (except
possibly in some long off far future.) Maybe he's never read the
story of Lazarus and the Rich man?

>> Prayer-life is part of Christianlife because what He wrought on the Cross.
>
>Sound like the right thing to say, but look at all the objects people pray
>to, and or before.
>

>Prayer to the cross of shame that killed the Lord. Who was the victor, the
>cross or Jesus?

I wonder if Robert has any actual citations, or is this yet
another presumption on his part about what other must believe, because
he says so?

>
>Did Mary do anything to put Jesus there? Did Mary save you? Did not Mary also
>carry the children of her husband Joseph?

Robert doesn't read his bible too closely, does he. Or he might
have noticed that whole part about "Behold the handmaiden of the
Lord."
As for the second - one could say that Mary's willingness to "Let
it be as my Lord has said" does make our salvation possible.
Oh, and the only people who believe that the rest of Jesus'
siblings were the product of Joseph and Mary are Protestants who, to
be polite, just do not grasp the concept of a Holy Thing, set aside
from the Common by the Lord God Almighty.

>
>Luk 11:27-28
>
>27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the
>company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessedis the womb that bare
>thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
>

>28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and
>keep it.
>
>What did Jesus think was important?

Not only was "the mother who gave [him] birth and nursed [him]"
important, but so were those who "heard the Word of God and kept it".
You know, as Mary had done.

[pyotr filipivich]

Robert <no...@none.com> on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:42:04 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Aug 23, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<7gbaghdkq2a8sq1j9...@4ax.com>):

>It is a RC term.

IOW: Robert doesn't really know what it means, when it was coined
or why. Thus he can put it in his pigeon hole marked "Traditions of
Men" and not have to find out.

[pyotr filipivich]

Robert <no...@none.com> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 17:03:51 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>On Aug 22, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Robert <no...@none.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:31:26 -0700 typed in
>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>LOL!

>
>According to you, all "protestants" were RC's at one time. Now your sentence
>makes even less sense than it did before.

Oh dear, Robert's reading comprehension is side swiping him again.

>>
>>
>> > Maybe, relative to your devotion to Mary you believe that others denigrate
>> > her, yet you denigrate God in making her Queen of Heaven.
>>
>> "It's a beautiful day at the race track, not a cloud in sight. And
>> there's the starter's gun, and They're Off! Robert makes a strong
>> start and then, well where ever he's haring off to, it isn't on track
>> ..."
>> Robert, you never fail to amuse. So often sure, so rarely right.

>One sip of wine too much? Better cut back pyotr.

"They must be drunk, yet it is only the third hour!"

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:


>“Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not
>bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.” (1Ki 19:18)
>
>“O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our
>maker. For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep
>of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your heart, as in
>the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:” (Psa
>95:6-8)

OT stuff. Not to be used as "proof" of Christian values.

[Rod]

On 8/21/2022 9:30 AM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
> (in article<r6d4gh1rmcmjtan8q...@4ax.com>):

>
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:31:26 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote

>>> (in article<igm2ghh9d5t1e18k7...@4ax.com>):

>>> Maybe, relative to your devotion to Mary you believe that others denigrate
>>> her, yet you denigrate God in making her Queen of Heaven.
>>

>> You make many claims also.
>> It doen't make it so.
>
> Of course not, however scripture does not lie as it makes it known to man
> what the will of God is. That they turn a deaf ear towards God gives them no
> excuse.
>

> God turned over the people who sought to worship the Queen of Heaven, to her,
> to feed and clothe them, they soon faced death and famine, yet they continued
> to pray to her. God is a jealous God.
>

That is murderous, you know this, right? Is it justified? No.

[Rod]

On 8/26/2022 4:29 PM, Robert wrote:
> Are traitors to God in the highest justied to follow others and make them
> their leader? Totally usurping the rules of creation?

The thing that you haven't learned yet is that men wrote
the bible. There is no evidence to suggest that it was dictated to
them by God. The bible reflects the thinking of the men that wrote
the books and the life that they led, hence it comes of no surprise
that the actions of their God reflects their kind of thinking.

[Rod]

On 8/26/2022 4:29 PM, Robert wrote:

> On Aug 26, 2022, Rod wrote
> (in article <tebbo3$2e3b$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Are traitors to God in the highest justied to follow others and make them
> their leader? Totally usurping the rules of creation?
>

You've gone off the reservation Cochise...

[P+Barker]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:29:17 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 26, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<14ehgh549msuac3qn...@4ax.com>):

>It shows the future for the believer as well as the knowledge of God for all
>time.
>Gods Holy Spirit will verify all that to the hearts of the believers. Jesus
>showed his disciples where he was to be found in scriptures as well. That you
>argue against him is sad.

I do not argue against God.
I merely insult you and your interpretaions of the Bible.
Of course Jesus referred to Old Testament scriptures.
That is what Jews do.
Jesus was a Jew, don't you know?

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:


>> > Of course not, however scripture does not lie as it makes it known to man
>> > what the will of God is. That they turn a deaf ear towards God gives them no
>> > excuse.
>> >
>> > God turned over the people who sought to worship the Queen of Heaven, to
>> > her,
>> > to feed and clothe them, they soon faced death and famine, yet they
>> > continued
>> > to pray to her. God is a jealous God.
>>
>> That is murderous, you know this, right? Is it justified? No.
>

>Are traitors to God in the highest justied to follow others and make them
>their leader? Totally usurping the rules of creation?

Why do you betray God?
Do you really thionk anyone will follow you?

[P+Barker]

Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>I have hope, where you see none. I also personally know in whom I believe.
>And One can only lead others to the water of Life.
>
>How does it feel to have come to this point on the knowledge trail only to
>see that men of this world are doomed to repeat themselves into
>non-existence? I mean that in the kindest way possible.

You are a dreamer, robt.
Mankind has ALWAYS screwed up - since the beginning.
Since you believe we only have a few years left before Jesus returns,
what will you do when your dream evaporates and He doesn't show up
when you claimed?
You do know that ONLY God knows. Jesus even said so.

[Rod]

On 8/26/2022 10:07 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2022, Rod wrote

> (in article <tebn8o$3hpr$1...@dont-email.me>):

> :) I have just a thing of two to say when it comes to the reality of God, mainly because I know a far, far, different reality, and wished that other saw the
> reality of it all.
>

Robert, God doesn't kill people. His ways are higher than those of
men, else He could not be what He is.

[Rod]

On 8/27/2022 2:14 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2022, Rod wrote
> (in article <ted9e6$afc8$1...@dont-email.me>):

>>>>> I have just a thing of two to say when it comes to the reality of God,
>>>>> mainly because I know a far, far, different reality, and wished that
>>>>> other saw the
>>> reality of it all.
>>
>> Robert, God doesn't kill people. His ways are higher than those of
>> men, else He could not be what He is.
>

> In Biblical terms God is the Potter and we the clay. Some clay pieces are
> only fit to be broken in shards as is spoken of being done by a God that is
> so righteously pure he can do no wrong. Regardless of how you or I see it.

Robert...if God has to resort to murder to deal with
problematic people then He is no wiser than any of us.

If one claims that His ways are higher than ours yet he resorts
to murder, perhaps He is not as Holy and all knowing as you seem
to believe that He is.

It's only common sense, Robert. You cannot have your cake
and eat it too.

I'm sorry, but resorting to violence to resolve an issue
does not show extreme intelligence. What it demonstrates
is a God lowering Himself to the ways of men to deal with
a problem.

[Rod]

On 8/27/2022 4:55 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2022, Rod wrote

> (in article <teduds$cgfe$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Rod, the term of murder is not a viable word in these types of discussion,
> even in real world scenarios. It is an accusatory, and unfounded judgment
> that would not be allowed until a trial was completed.

I can't believe that you are trying to make this turd fly! Ahahahahaha!

>>
>> If one claims that His ways are higher than ours yet he resorts
>> to murder, perhaps He is not as Holy and all knowing as you seem
>> to believe that He is.
>>
>> It's only common sense, Robert. You cannot have your cake
>> and eat it too.
>

> That is not they way I see things, how can it be "cake", God is not willing
> that any should perish, and he has made that abundantly clear throughout the
> Bible. Everyone that received judgment knew why, and in advance. To judge God
> without his own word and actions is pointless as most have not researched the
> subjects tightly enough as it to take them to court and hold them
> accountable. The only court left would be the one of public opinion.

>>
>> I'm sorry, but resorting to violence to resolve an issue
>> does not show extreme intelligence. What it demonstrates
>> is a God lowering Himself to the ways of men to deal with
>> a problem.
>

> Really? Then why did God bother to make a contract with the Israelites? Why
> was it ratified and accepted? Why were ten of the tribes divorced from God
> and the contract, and later on the rest of the tribes?
>
> Why, why? With all the benefits to that contract did things go sour? Whose
> fault was that?
>
>

[Rod]

On 8/27/2022 6:00 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2022, Rod wrote

> (in article <tee740$deik$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Your mind is made up, what can I say. I gave you some food for thought here,
> you dismissed it all.

What I think is based upon normal logic, nothing else.

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If one claims that His ways are higher than ours yet he resorts
>>>> to murder, perhaps He is not as Holy and all knowing as you seem
>>>> to believe that He is.
>>>>
>>>> It's only common sense, Robert. You cannot have your cake
>>>> and eat it too.
>>>
>>> That is not they way I see things, how can it be "cake", God is not willing
>>> that any should perish, and he has made that abundantly clear throughout the
>>> Bible. Everyone that received judgment knew why, and in advance. To judge
>>> God
>>> without his own word and actions is pointless as most have not researched
>>> the
>>> subjects tightly enough as it to take them to court and hold them
>>> accountable. The only court left would be the one of public opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but resorting to violence to resolve an issue
>>>> does not show extreme intelligence. What it demonstrates
>>>> is a God lowering Himself to the ways of men to deal with
>>>> a problem.
>>>
>>> Really? Then why did God bother to make a contract with the Israelites? Why
>>> was it ratified and accepted? Why were ten of the tribes divorced from God
>>> and the contract, and later on the rest of the tribes?

You are going off the rails again Robert.

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:02:09 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 27, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<972kghh8nsc823nes...@4ax.com>):

>Why not remember what Jesus said, he said that no man knows the day nor the
>hour.

Well then.
Thanks for backing up my claim.
Why did you claim 2 years ago we were in the final days.
You said we wouldn't be around in 7 years.
Do you forget your claims?


>Yet His Dad gave us the signs of his coming so that the believer would not be
>caught unaware.
>This all. Depends on God the Father, there is a possibility we can know the
>year, but not the day or the hour. This is why one should study the
>scriptures.

You said we wouldn't be around in 7 years.
Do you forget your claims?

[P+Barker]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:22:07 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 27, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<j32kghp5tagrakldk...@4ax.com>):

>I have told you a million times, I am NOT the person to follow, Jesus IS! God
>gave us His word that we might know Him.

No one does follow you.
You just can't see that you are the traitor to God.

[Rod]

On 8/27/2022 9:01 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2022, Rod wrote

> (in article <teecu4$du4t$1...@dont-email.me>):

> It its the truth, and it needs observation and an answer.

Then answer it.


You can learn a lot
> about humans and their ways out of the understanding. Best what if scenario
> there is.

[Mattb]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:47:56 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>(in article<6lbaghh5oqhl9pih4...@4ax.com>):

>Yet you have signed documents with them, giving them certain authority in
>various issues. Just like your oath to KFC.

The oath is strange if any on the Supreme Court have taken it and
still serve in government of USA. What is foremost in their minds the
US Constitution or Catholic doctrines and traditions.

"I pledge myself, as a Catholic citizen and l Knight of Columbus, to
enlighten myself fully upon my duties as a citizen and to
conscientiously perform such duties entirely in the interest of my
country and regardless of all personal consequences."

How and to what degree is the term Catholic citizen used?

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 09:37:21 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

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Matt said on 20 Nov 2018
True so I will say maybe as you can not tell me the full effect just a
trace of it. I was shot while in the military I can tell you about it
but that isn't the same as feeling it. Hope that makes sense.

[Mattb]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 15:34:13 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Feel free to call that number and ask.

>
>
>Matt said on 20 Nov 2018
>True so I will say maybe as you can not tell me the full effect just a
>trace of it. I was shot while in the military I can tell you about it
>but that isn't the same as feeling it. Hope that makes sense.

Do you have a point?

How does that help you defend pedophiles?

[Rod]

On 8/22/2022 1:25 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
> (in article<edf5ghdqavg2s38vq...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:01:25 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> (in article<eu95ghd238hhrgqjv...@4ax.com>):

>>>
>>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:30:39 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>>> (in article<r6d4gh1rmcmjtan8q...@4ax.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:31:26 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 20, 2022, pyotr filipivich wrote
>>>>>>> (in article<igm2ghh9d5t1e18k7...@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com> on Sat, 20 Aug 2022 07:50:53 -0400 typed
>>>>>>>> in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:46:57 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 10:49:13 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:18:28 -0700, Robert<no...@none.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>>>> Stop turning a deaf ear.

>>>>
>>>>> God turned over the people who sought to worship the Queen of Heaven, to
>>>>> her,
>>>>> to feed and clothe them, they soon faced death and famine, yet they
>>>>> continued
>>>>> to pray to her. God is a jealous God.
>>>>

>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women
>>> knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out
>>> drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” (Jer
>>> 7:18)
>>>
>>> READ Jeremiah all of it, for the full story. You were shown this before.
>>
>> Isn't Jer in the Old Testament? What does it have to do with Mary,
>> the Mother of Jesus? do you follow and believe the OT? I thought you
>> claimed we were not under the Old Covenant. Christian (including
>> Catholics) do not follw the OT for beliefs in Chrstianity.
>> Didn't you know this?
>>
>> Do you follow the OT rules? Do you refuse eating raw meat or pork or
>> shell?sh, Do you execute people for breaking the Sabbath, not wearing
>> garments woven with two kinds of material?
>>
>> Do you pick and choose which rules to follow.
>>
>> Why do you think Jer is speaking about about Mary, the mother of
>> Jesus.

>>
>> Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations
>> regarding puri?cation; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared
>> all foods “clean.” The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his
>> reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the
>> temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacri?cial system
>> and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the
>> ultimate sacri?ce for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that
>> makes us clean now.
>
> Jesus instructed the disciples where he was to be found in the OT. He taught
> from the OT.
>

> The Mother of Jesus was spoken of in the OT.

No she wasn't. They were speaking of the mesopotamian goddess Inanna,
queen of heaven.

>
> Was there an Old Covenant to be found in the OT? Yes. But the OT is full of
> the word of God for todays time as well as it was then. It is also full of
> the events of this worlds tomorrows with exquisite details.
>

> Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have little
> knowledge of Truth?
>

[P+Barker]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 22:30:06 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:


>> > The Mother of Jesus was spoken of in the OT.
>>
>> No she wasn't. They were speaking of the mesopotamian goddess Inanna,
>> queen of heaven.
>

>You are speaking of the "Queen of Heaven" that the some Jews turned to,
>Currently some speak of Mary filling that spot, but God was opposed to a
>Queen of Heaven.

Then why did he allow the reference in His Old Testament>?

[Rod]

On 9/16/2022 12:30 AM, Robert wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2022, Rod wrote
> (in article <tg0r81$3iijj$1...@dont-email.me>):

> You are speaking of the "Queen of Heaven" that the some Jews turned to,
> Currently some speak of Mary filling that spot, but God was opposed to a
> Queen of Heaven.
>

> This is one of the places that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, is mentioned in the
> OT along with some references.
>
> Isa 7:14
>
> 14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the young woman
> who is unmarried and a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call
> his name Immanuel [God with us]. [Isa 9:6; Jer 31:22; Mic 5:3-5]

Still Robert, Mary is NOT the queen of Heaven and it is not speaking
of mary.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 16, 2022, Rod wrote
(in article <tg37tu$3vros$1...@dont-email.me>):

Of course not. It was seemingly religious men who bequeathed her with that
title, not God.

God turned the previous religious people who sought to follow after the queen
of heaven, and turned them all over to her, after he tried to caution them,
look at their outcome. And if you study Catholicism you will find that they
substituted Mary for a pagan woman god that they could worship her similar to
the pagan goddess. Yes, I greatly over simplified it.

[P+Barker]

Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:

>God turned the previous religious people who sought to follow after the queen
>of heaven, and turned them all over to her, after he tried to caution them,
>look at their outcome. And if you study Catholicism you will find that they
>substituted Mary for a pagan woman god that they could worship her similar to
>the pagan goddess. Yes, I greatly over simplified it.

Or you just made up some stupid shit.

[Mattb]

It would be interesting to do a small poll and ask people who the
queen of heaven is and see the answer.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<90hbihh8nhipvbrvm...@4ax.com>):

Why not read it for yourself?

[Michael McLean]

Their is no Queen of Heaven.

However, there could well be in the end, the bride of Christ.







Michael McLean

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was there an Old Covenant to be found in the OT? Yes. But the OT is full of
>>>>> the word of God for todays time as well as it was then. It is also full of
>>>>> the events of this worlds tomorrows with exquisite details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that you cannot ascertain truth? Why is it that you have little
>>>>> knowledge of Truth?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does God change his mind about the things that he hates?
>>>
>>>
>>

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

[P+Barker]

Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:


> It would be interesting to do a small poll and ask people who the
>queen of heaven is and see the answer.

And you feel that this will be proof?

[Mattb]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:26:22 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Proof of what? It will be a example of what people have been taught
or just told.

[Rod]

I don't know about what Patrick has done, but I have read it. But
God was not speaking of Mary as His target. The egyptians did worship
Osiris as God and ISIS as the queen of Heaven, and the Hebrews took up
that worship, even after having left egypt. This is what the verse is
speaking of in my opinion.

[Rod]

The problem is that the title Queen of Heaven began in Mesopotamia
with the 200 hundred fallen angels that passed themselves off as
Gods, hence the Mesopotamian "Kings list". It was during this period
that a hybrid human female was chosen to be the consort of Anu as
the original "Queen of Heaven". When the Hebrew left the region many
went to egypt and took this worship and title with them.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 18, 2022, Rod wrote
(in article <tg7lmn$ks68$1...@dont-email.me>):

Yes, you are correct as I replied to you on this earlier in this thread.
There is more than just one verse on this topic there is also a whole segment
speaking in detail about the outcome of all of this, and as I said to Patrick
that title of Queen of Heaven was also chosen by the RCC and the Orthodox,
plus others and given to or placed on Mary, and they, like the Hebrews, took
it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines as
they typically do with foreign gods when seeking to integrate others into
their religions. This is also why we have the "easter" event and holiday,
Christmas, etc. etc.

The point I was trying to make, which is obvious in the Bible, is that God
did not like the term, the title, or the worship given to others that belongs
to Him.

Part of the problem with the RC difficulty in accepting this fact is their
denial of the simple fact that Mary in no longer a virgin, had other children
by her husband Joseph, as I identified in the NT. She IS blessed above all
women, as the Bible states, yet she is woman, made for man.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 18, 2022, Rod wrote
(in article <tg7m8j$ks68$2...@dont-email.me>):

This was in the time of Jeremiah, and it can be read in Chapters 7 and 44
where the bulk of this topic was written. God took this all very seriously,
and for good reason.

Would you mind comparing the time frame of your story with the time frame of
the Prophet Jeremiah?

[P+Barker]

Two things here.
1. Some dorks here (robt) feel that the Bible was written by God.
+ If this is so, why would he mention some pagan woman?
2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.
And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
happening there. I am aware that the Knights of Columbus has a
special VIP section there.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:50:18 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:

Who says?
Do you think the pope bows down and worships this "Queen"?
Gues again.
Someone merely threw another title at her.
Like Idi Amin.
He gave himself the title of “His Excellency, President for Life,
Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of
All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of
the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”,
besides officially stating he was “the uncrowned King of Scotland”;

>plus others and given to or placed on Mary,

honorary title thrown at her by men who wanted to look good
themselves.

>and they, like the Hebrews, took
>it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines

sHADDUP. Give us all a break.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:26:12 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I tell you to STFU all the time.
Does it ever happen?

[Rod]

No, I don't mind. The time frame was before and after the flood,
which is as close as I have been able to date it.

[Mattb]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:27:24 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>

No, you are powerless.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 18, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<a23fiht59jsrpko13...@4ax.com>):

I have posted pics of the pope doing just that many times over the years,
just for you and the departed one.

>
> Someone merely threw another title at her.
> Like Idi Amin.
> He gave himself the title of “His Excellency, President for Life,
> Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of
> All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of
> the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”,
> besides officially stating he was “the uncrowned King of Scotland”;
>
> > plus others and given to or placed on Mary,
>
> honorary title thrown at her by men who wanted to look good
> themselves.

Not only that but burn incense, candles, etc, as the heathen do.

>
>
> > and they, like the Hebrews, took
> > it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines
>
> sHADDUP. Give us all a break.

It is your spirit that will not give you rest. Fix it.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 18, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<ss2fihl2vhma5hsn2...@4ax.com>):

You mean like Jezebel or Delilah?

>
> 2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.

You would have to be an idiot, or deceived to think that anyone suggested
that she was.

>
> And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
> care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
> happening there.

Plenty of people have, from the Bible Days both old and new, up until today.

> I am aware that the Knights of Columbus has a
> special VIP section there.

Where, in the Pit?

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 18, 2022, Rod wrote

(in article <tg84jl$oi0j$1...@dont-email.me>):

Jeremiah was about a 1.3 or ,4 K years later, or so. Israel about 800 years
later, iff the top of my head guess.

[Rod]

Because Ianna, the first queen of heaven was a whore,
and Mary is special to humanity as the mother of Jesus.

[Rod]

It is beginning to look more and more as if Nimrod and Gilgemish are
the same person. Gilgemish seems to have began his rule after the flood,
and apparently they both claim Inanna as their mother and deity.

On the flip side, the tomb of Gilgemish was found in a shallow portion
of the Euphrates river by a team of German archeologists but was taken over
and ran out by a team from the US Army, according to the Germans.

Things associated with this keep getting weirder and weirder.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:52:17 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:

>On Sep 18, 2022, Mattb wrote
>(in article<rh5fihh2r3v9hhfiu...@4ax.com>):

>Guess the wifes been whopping on him again.

Nah. We are getting ready for another vacation. Boston again.
Tell matty that I have a cruise scheduled out of Seattle next June.
Maybe he can fortify his gate.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:38:55 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>

Do you think all those brits worship their dead queen?
Tell them to stop bowing and curtsying.

>>
>> Someone merely threw another title at her.
>> Like Idi Amin.
>> He gave himself the title of “His Excellency, President for Life,
>> Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of
>> All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of
>> the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”,
>> besides officially stating he was “the uncrowned King of Scotland”;
>>
>> > plus others and given to or placed on Mary,
>>
>> honorary title thrown at her by men who wanted to look good
>> themselves.
>
>Not only that but burn incense, candles, etc, as the heathen do.

I love the smell of incense.
It is used to indicate our prayers heading upward to God.

>>
>>
>> > and they, like the Hebrews, took
>> > it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines
>>
>> sHADDUP. Give us all a break.
>
>It is your spirit that will not give you rest. Fix it.

Nah. It is my glasses that irritate me today. Temple broke off. Not
the temple where you pray to your pagan god. And it will take a few
weeks before the VA can mail me a new pair. Oh well.

[P+Barker]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:44:47 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:

Exactly.

>> 2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.
>
>You would have to be an idiot, or deceived to think that anyone suggested
>that she was.

Yet, here you are.... whining to me about it.

>> And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
>> care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
>> happening there.
>
>Plenty of people have, from the Bible Days both old and new, up until today.

Name a few.

>> I am aware that the Knights of Columbus has a
>> special VIP section there.
>
>Where, in the Pit?

We are discussing heaven, some place that you will never see.

[Mattb]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:42:43 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:52:17 -0700, Robert <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 18, 2022, Mattb wrote
>>(in article<rh5fihh2r3v9hhfiu...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:27:24 -0400, P+Barker<PBa...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:26:12 -0700, Mattb<trdel...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:26:22 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > It would be interesting to do a small poll and ask people who the
>>> > > > > queen of heaven is and see the answer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > And you feel that this will be proof?
>>> > >
>>> > > Proof of what? It will be a example of what people have been taught
>>> > > or just told.
>>> >
>>> > I tell you to STFU all the time.
>>> > Does it ever happen?
>>>
>>> No, you are powerless.
>>
>>Guess the wifes been whopping on him again.
>
>Nah. We are getting ready for another vacation. Boston again.
>Tell matty that I have a cruise scheduled out of Seattle next June.
>Maybe he can fortify his gate.

You may have a one scheduled time will tell. As for my gate are you
threatening to visit me and ram the gate? If the weather is nice
might be on one of the Islands. Then again I might be in Boston area
the end of May.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<5h3hihpcms1si03v6...@4ax.com>):

All the ones who do that, are indeed, but not as God, or as someone who has
influence over God.

>
>
> > >
> > > Someone merely threw another title at her.
> > > Like Idi Amin.
> > > He gave himself the title of “His Excellency, President for Life,
> > > Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of
> > > All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of
> > > the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”,
> > > besides officially stating he was “the uncrowned King of Scotland”;
> > >
> > > > plus others and given to or placed on Mary,
> > >
> > > honorary title thrown at her by men who wanted to look good
> > > themselves.
> >
> > Not only that but burn incense, candles, etc, as the heathen do.
>
> I love the smell of incense.
> It is used to indicate our prayers heading upward to God.

You use evil incense. You can read all about the use of such in the OT.

>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > and they, like the Hebrews, took
> > > > it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines
> > >
> > > sHADDUP. Give us all a break.
> >
> > It is your spirit that will not give you rest. Fix it.
>
> Nah. It is my glasses that irritate me today. Temple broke off. Not
> the temple where you pray to your pagan god. And it will take a few
> weeks before the VA can mail me a new pair. Oh well.

Thought you said you were affluent?

When you call my Heavenly Father a pagan god, he is not pleased, nor am i.
From his end, he is going to be dealing shortly with "christians" who do such
things. He has put the word out.

Repent while you have a chance.

[Dr. Who]

On Sep 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote
(in article<2o3hih109lj87dfp1...@4ax.com>):

He mentioned them and others for wisdom and to be aware of deceivers and
their destruction.

>
>
> > > 2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.
> >
> > You would have to be an idiot, or deceived to think that anyone suggested
> > that she was.
>
> Yet, here you are.... whining to me about it.

Then show me where.

>
>
> > > And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
> > > care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
> > > happening there.
> >
> > Plenty of people have, from the Bible Days both old and new, up until today.
>
> Name a few.

Ezekiel, Paul, John, and as for todays time, those I have posted links to
their accounts of dying and being in heaven, and returning.

>
>
> > > I am aware that the Knights of Columbus has a
> > > special VIP section there.
> >
> > Where, in the Pit?
>
> We are discussing heaven,

No, we where discussing the Queen of Heaven.

[P+Barker]

Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>>wrote:

>>>> > > > > It would be interesting to do a small poll and ask people who the
>>>> > > > > queen of heaven is and see the answer.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > And you feel that this will be proof?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Proof of what? It will be a example of what people have been taught
>>>> > > or just told.
>>>> >
>>>> > I tell you to STFU all the time.
>>>> > Does it ever happen?
>>>>
>>>> No, you are powerless.
>>>
>>>Guess the wifes been whopping on him again.
>>
>>Nah. We are getting ready for another vacation. Boston again.
>>Tell matty that I have a cruise scheduled out of Seattle next June.
>>Maybe he can fortify his gate.
>
> You may have a one scheduled time will tell. As for my gate are you
>threatening to visit me and ram the gate? If the weather is nice
>might be on one of the Islands. Then again I might be in Boston area
>the end of May.

June 12, 2023 - Royal Caribbean - Quantum of the Seas - 7 day cruise -
out of Seattle. I'll be in the area a week earlier - Balcony Suite

[Mattb]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:46:37 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I do not need to know or do I care. Then again I might be in
Boston then.

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:25:33 -0700, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>

That wasn't the question.

Do you think all those brits worship their dead queen?

>> > > Someone merely threw another title at her.
>> > > Like Idi Amin.
>> > > He gave himself the title of “His Excellency, President for Life,
>> > > Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of
>> > > All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of
>> > > the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular”,
>> > > besides officially stating he was “the uncrowned King of Scotland”;
>> > >
>> > > > plus others and given to or placed on Mary,
>> > >
>> > > honorary title thrown at her by men who wanted to look good
>> > > themselves.
>> >
>> > Not only that but burn incense, candles, etc, as the heathen do.
>>
>> I love the smell of incense.
>> It is used to indicate our prayers heading upward to God.
>
>You use evil incense. You can read all about the use of such in the OT.

Not interested.

I love the smell of incense.



>>
>>
>> > >
>> > >

>> > > > and they, like the Hebrews, took
>> > > > it from pagan sources back in that day and blended it into their doctrines
>> > >
>> > > sHADDUP. Give us all a break.
>> >
>> > It is your spirit that will not give you rest. Fix it.
>>
>> Nah. It is my glasses that irritate me today. Temple broke off. Not
>> the temple where you pray to your pagan god. And it will take a few
>> weeks before the VA can mail me a new pair. Oh well.
>
>Thought you said you were affluent?

The VA is slow in everything they do. I picked up the prescription,
and wiill PAY for a pair in the next few days. Maybe 2 pairs - one
prescription sun glasses. Although, the last pair I purchased at
Sam's Club cost me $200.00+

>When you call my Heavenly Father a pagan god, he is not pleased, nor am i.
>From his end, he is going to be dealing shortly with "christians" who do such
>things. He has put the word out.

Ahhh... Another deadline? How many years do I have left? 3 or 4?

>Repent while you have a chance.

You have to be guilty of a sin before you must repent.

[P+Barker]

Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:

>On Sep 19, 2022, P+Barker wrote

>> > > > I don't know about what Patrick has done, but I have read it. But
>> > > > God was not speaking of Mary as His target. The egyptians did worship
>> > > > Osiris as God and ISIS as the queen of Heaven, and the Hebrews took up
>> > > > that worship, even after having left egypt. This is what the verse is
>> > > > speaking of in my opinion.
>> > >
>> > > Two things here.
>> > > 1. Some dorks here (robt) feel that the Bible was written by God.
>> > > + If this is so, why would he mention some pagan woman?
>> >
>> > You mean like Jezebel or Delilah?
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>He mentioned them and others for wisdom and to be aware of deceivers and
>their destruction.
>>
>>
>> > > 2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.
>> >
>> > You would have to be an idiot, or deceived to think that anyone suggested
>> > that she was.
>>
>> Yet, here you are.... whining to me about it.

>> > > And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
>> > > care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
>> > > happening there.
>> >
>> > Plenty of people have, from the Bible Days both old and new, up until today.
>>
>> Name a few.
>
>Ezekiel, Paul, John, and as for todays time, those I have posted links to
>their accounts of dying and being in heaven, and returning.

Are you claiming that Paul and John died once, went to heaven, and
then were recalled back to earth?
BTW, dying and being brought back to life is NOT dying, going to
heaven, and then coming back to earth.
You are wierd.

[P+Barker]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 12:50:38 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Would you like the floor and room number?

[Rod]

On 9/18/2022 4:23 PM, P+Barker wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 12:49:10 -0500, Rod <dx70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2022 12:09 PM, Dr. Who wrote:
>>> On Sep 17, 2022, P+Barker wrote
>>> (in article<90hbihh8nhipvbrvm...@4ax.com>):
>>>
>>>> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> God turned the previous religious people who sought to follow after the
>>>>> queen
>>>>> of heaven, and turned them all over to her, after he tried to caution them,
>>>>> look at their outcome. And if you study Catholicism you will find that they
>>>>> substituted Mary for a pagan woman god that they could worship her similar
>>>>> to
>>>>> the pagan goddess. Yes, I greatly over simplified it.
>>>>
>>>> Or you just made up some stupid shit.
>>>
>>> Why not read it for yourself?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about what Patrick has done, but I have read it. But
>> God was not speaking of Mary as His target. The egyptians did worship
>> Osiris as God and ISIS as the queen of Heaven, and the Hebrews took up
>> that worship, even after having left egypt. This is what the verse is
>> speaking of in my opinion.
>
> Two things here.
> 1. Some dorks here (robt) feel that the Bible was written by God.
> + If this is so, why would he mention some pagan woman?
> 2. Mary, Mother of Jesus, is not Isis, never was.

You miss the point Patrick. Isis is not a goddess
AND the title Queen of Heaven belongs to Inanna,
who was promiscuous to say the least. Now, do you want
to assign that title, sullied as it is to the mother
of God??

[P+Barker]

It depends.
WHo do you claim is the queen of country music?

[Michael McLean]

Britney Spears?




Michael McLean

>
>
>
>>> And if someone wants to call her Queen of heaven, why does anyone
>>> care? No one has ever been there and come back. No one knows what is
>>> happening there. I am aware that the Knights of Columbus has a
>>> special VIP section there.
>>

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

[Mattb]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 18:33:28 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>

Like I said "I do not need to know or do I care". What is your
point or what are you trying to suggest?

[P+Barker]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 09:02:54 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>

Years ago, you always wanted to know the ship name, date of sailing
androom number. I guess you have decided that you can't afford to
take a cruise.

[Mattb]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:51:51 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>

I doubt that. As for taking a cruise, why are you bragging about
that? As for taking a cruise going to Alaska isn't a big deal. Wife
still wants to go down to OZ so I'd prefer a New Zealand cruise.
Though that is still a year or more away.

Now again I ask what is you point in all this?

[P+Barker]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:29:26 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>