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May 7, 2012, 8:01:04 PM5/7/12
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Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian
Commemorated on May 8
The Church commemorates St John on this day because of the annual
pilgrimage to his grave.
When St John was more than one hundred years old, he took seven of his
disciples and went to a spot outside the city of Ephesus. There he
told them to dig a grave in the form of a cross. Then he climbed into
the grave and told his disciples to cover him with earth. Later, the
grave was opened and the saint's body was not there.
Each year on May 8 a red dust would arise from the grave which the
faithful collected in order to be healed of their illnesses.
St John's main Feast is on September 26.
See also Wayne's email about the icon.
Todd
May 7, 2012, 8:44:40 PM5/7/12
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Is this the same Apostle that wrote the Apocalypse? If
so, did he not write the Apocalypse from Prison? Sounds
like he was eventually let go.
Yours in Christ,
-T
RVG
May 8, 2012, 8:29:10 AM5/8/12
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his gospel, it's like he's talking of foreigners.
--
« Dieu n'est-il pas le poète suprême en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? »
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RVG
May 8, 2012, 8:36:47 AM5/8/12
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Le 08/05/2012 02:44, Todd a écrit :
> On 05/07/2012 05:01 PM, ++ wrote:
>>
>>
>> Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian Commemorated on May 8
>>
>> The Church commemorates St John on this day because of the annual
>> pilgrimage to his grave.
>>
>> When St John was more than one hundred years old, he took seven of
>> his disciples and went to a spot outside the city of Ephesus. There
>> he told them to dig a grave in the form of a cross. Then he climbed
>> into the grave and told his disciples to cover him with earth.
>> Later, the grave was opened and the saint's body was not there.
>>
>> Each year on May 8 a red dust would arise from the grave which the
>> faithful collected in order to be healed of their illnesses.
>>
>> St John's main Feast is on September 26.
>>
>> See also Wayne's email about the icon.
>
> Hi Galina,
>
> Is this the same Apostle that wrote the Apocalypse?
No one knows. the style is very different. Maybe no NT book has been
> On 05/07/2012 05:01 PM, ++ wrote:
>>
>>
>> Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian Commemorated on May 8
>>
>> The Church commemorates St John on this day because of the annual
>> pilgrimage to his grave.
>>
>> When St John was more than one hundred years old, he took seven of
>> his disciples and went to a spot outside the city of Ephesus. There
>> he told them to dig a grave in the form of a cross. Then he climbed
>> into the grave and told his disciples to cover him with earth.
>> Later, the grave was opened and the saint's body was not there.
>>
>> Each year on May 8 a red dust would arise from the grave which the
>> faithful collected in order to be healed of their illnesses.
>>
>> St John's main Feast is on September 26.
>>
>> See also Wayne's email about the icon.
>
> Hi Galina,
>
> Is this the same Apostle that wrote the Apocalypse?
written by the designated author, there are lots of shadow areas.
Remember that the NT is a fabrication built in the 2nd century by
Irenaeus of Lyons from dozens of messianic tales.
Irenaeus retained four books only because they were "like the four winds
that blow on the earth". Nor exactly the most convincing argument.
If you want thinking material about the Gospels, I recommend the series
of DVDs made by Jérôme Prieur and Gérard Mordillat published by Arte
Video. It's multiregion, NTSC and dubbed/subitled in English and German.
http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B001CJYK22
> If so, did he not write the Apocalypse from Prison? Sounds like he
> was eventually let go.
>
> Yours in Christ, -T
nickk - not the imposter
May 8, 2012, 9:32:31 AM5/8/12
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RVG, get lost! Take your atheism elsewhere.
Apostle John
St. John the Theologian, Apostle and Evangelist
The holy, glorious and all-laudable Apostle and Evangelist John is
also known as John the Theologian. He was one of the original twelve
Apostles, and wrote the Gospel bearing his name; three canonical
letters: I John, II John, and III John; and the Book of Revelation.
His primary feast day is celebrated on May 8, that of the twelve
apostles on June 30, and his repose on September 26. His symbol is the
eagle.
St. John was the son of Salome the myrrh-bearer and Zebedee, a
fisherman. His brother was St. James, another apostle.
In his own Gospel account, he refers to himself as "the disciple whom
Jesus loved" rather than use his name. He was the youngest of the
twelve apostles, and especially close to the Lord. This closeness is
often portrayed in icons of the mystical supper, where St. John leans
on Jesus.
He was present for the Transfiguration of Christ with Peter and his
brother James.
St. John was exiled to the island of Patmos by Emperor Domitian around
90-95 A.D., and it was there that he received and wrote the Book of
Revelation.
"Account of the miracle that occurred at his grave: When over 100
years old, St. John took seven disciples outside of Ephesus and had
them dig a grave in the shape of a cross. St. John then went into the
grave, and the disciples buried him there, alive. Later on, when his
grave was opened, St. John's body was not there. 'On May 8 of each
year, dust rises up from his grave, by which the sick are healed of
various diseases.' " [1]
Apostle John
St. John the Theologian, Apostle and Evangelist
The holy, glorious and all-laudable Apostle and Evangelist John is
also known as John the Theologian. He was one of the original twelve
Apostles, and wrote the Gospel bearing his name; three canonical
letters: I John, II John, and III John; and the Book of Revelation.
His primary feast day is celebrated on May 8, that of the twelve
apostles on June 30, and his repose on September 26. His symbol is the
eagle.
St. John was the son of Salome the myrrh-bearer and Zebedee, a
fisherman. His brother was St. James, another apostle.
In his own Gospel account, he refers to himself as "the disciple whom
Jesus loved" rather than use his name. He was the youngest of the
twelve apostles, and especially close to the Lord. This closeness is
often portrayed in icons of the mystical supper, where St. John leans
on Jesus.
He was present for the Transfiguration of Christ with Peter and his
brother James.
St. John was exiled to the island of Patmos by Emperor Domitian around
90-95 A.D., and it was there that he received and wrote the Book of
Revelation.
"Account of the miracle that occurred at his grave: When over 100
years old, St. John took seven disciples outside of Ephesus and had
them dig a grave in the shape of a cross. St. John then went into the
grave, and the disciples buried him there, alive. Later on, when his
grave was opened, St. John's body was not there. 'On May 8 of each
year, dust rises up from his grave, by which the sick are healed of
various diseases.' " [1]
JamesD
May 8, 2012, 10:26:43 AM5/8/12
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I'm sorry to see you say this, Vassili. As long as you remain with one foot in the Church and one foot in this atheistic nonsense that appears to have infected you some time back, you will remain a double-minded man, unstable in all your ways (as St James puts it). You must exorcise this atheistic infection and embrace with all the faith at your disposal the Church and it's teachings.and that may only be faith as great as a grain of mustard seed but our Lord has promised that He will honor that. Please consider it.
RVG
May 8, 2012, 10:55:35 AM5/8/12
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Le 08/05/2012 15:32, nickk - not the imposter a écrit :
> RVG, get lost! Take your atheism elsewhere.
>
> Apostle John
>
> St. John the Theologian, Apostle and Evangelist
>
> The holy, glorious and all-laudable Apostle and Evangelist John is
> also known as John the Theologian. He was one of the original twelve
> Apostles, and wrote the Gospel bearing his name; three canonical
> letters: I John, II John, and III John; and the Book of Revelation.
> His primary feast day is celebrated on May 8, that of the twelve
> apostles on June 30, and his repose on September 26. His symbol is the
> eagle.
>
> St. John was the son of Salome the myrrh-bearer and Zebedee, a
> fisherman. His brother was St. James, another apostle.
> In his own Gospel account, he refers to himself as "the disciple whom
> Jesus loved" rather than use his name.
This is widely discussed. This beloved disciple was more likely to be
> RVG, get lost! Take your atheism elsewhere.
>
> Apostle John
>
> St. John the Theologian, Apostle and Evangelist
>
> The holy, glorious and all-laudable Apostle and Evangelist John is
> also known as John the Theologian. He was one of the original twelve
> Apostles, and wrote the Gospel bearing his name; three canonical
> letters: I John, II John, and III John; and the Book of Revelation.
> His primary feast day is celebrated on May 8, that of the twelve
> apostles on June 30, and his repose on September 26. His symbol is the
> eagle.
>
> St. John was the son of Salome the myrrh-bearer and Zebedee, a
> fisherman. His brother was St. James, another apostle.
> In his own Gospel account, he refers to himself as "the disciple whom
> Jesus loved" rather than use his name.
Lazarus. After all his sisters referred him to Jesus as "the one you
love". That he sat close to Jesus at the Last Supper takes all its
meaning from the fact that he himself had previously been resurrected by
him.
Then again, Lazarus may have had his name changed after his
resurrection, like many saints after they've been changed by grace, like
Abram became Abraham and Saul of Tarsus became Paul. So El-Azar may have
received a new name with his new life - why not Yohanan too ? After all,
Yohanan means "God has graced".
> He was the youngest of the
> twelve apostles, and especially close to the Lord. This closeness is
> often portrayed in icons of the mystical supper, where St. John leans
> on Jesus.
>
> He was present for the Transfiguration of Christ with Peter and his
> brother James.
then ?
> St. John was exiled to the island of Patmos by Emperor Domitian around
> 90-95 A.D., and it was there that he received and wrote the Book of
> Revelation.
>
> "Account of the miracle that occurred at his grave: When over 100
> years old, St. John took seven disciples outside of Ephesus and had
> them dig a grave in the shape of a cross. St. John then went into the
> grave, and the disciples buried him there, alive. Later on, when his
> grave was opened, St. John's body was not there. 'On May 8 of each
> year, dust rises up from his grave, by which the sick are healed of
> various diseases.' " [1]
RVG
May 8, 2012, 10:57:39 AM5/8/12
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But the Church has forgotten me, you see, I'm the sick man on the road
to Samaria and no one has come.
I don't see grace, I don't see charity. I've been told that we know a
tree by its fruits. So far the tree is fruitless.
JamesD
May 8, 2012, 11:10:43 AM5/8/12
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I understand what you are saying. I've had my own battles to fight as well.... not as difficult as yours, nevertheless they've sorely tried my faith. As for the apocryphal story of the Saint, perhaps there is a lesson to be taken from it rather than accepting it verbatim. But if we cannot tur to the Lord, then to whom can we turn? And what is this life, so brief as it is, without the possibility of eternal life in God's Kingdom? He tells us to seek Him while He may be found. Do this.
RVG
May 8, 2012, 1:18:39 PM5/8/12
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"ride request"
May 8, 2012, 1:44:54 PM5/8/12
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"But the Church has forgotten me, you see, I'm the sick man on the road
to Samaria and no one has come."
who can help you with your transportation needs to attend elsewhere.
RVG
May 8, 2012, 3:02:35 PM5/8/12
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train, etc.
RVG
May 8, 2012, 3:03:45 PM5/8/12
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Le 08/05/2012 21:02, RVG a écrit :
> Le 08/05/2012 19:44, "ride request" a écrit :
>> "But the Church has forgotten me, you see, I'm the sick man on the
>> road to Samaria and no one has come."
>>
>> One priest treated you badly. You refuse to find help from other
>> churches who can help you with your transportation needs to attend
>> elsewhere.
>
> I can't go to any church. I can hardly walk, can't take a bus or a
> train, etc.
>
And of course nobody ever proposed me any transportation to a church.
> Le 08/05/2012 19:44, "ride request" a écrit :
>> "But the Church has forgotten me, you see, I'm the sick man on the
>> road to Samaria and no one has come."
>>
>> One priest treated you badly. You refuse to find help from other
>> churches who can help you with your transportation needs to attend
>> elsewhere.
>
> I can't go to any church. I can hardly walk, can't take a bus or a
> train, etc.
>
The priest who buried my mother offered me once. Then found an excuse
not to come. And since then nothing.
"ride request"
May 8, 2012, 3:22:17 PM5/8/12
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> "But the Church has forgotten me, you see, I'm the sick man on the road
> to Samaria and no one has come."
>
> One priest treated you badly. You refuse to find help from other
churches
> who can help you with your transportation needs to attend elsewhere.
"I can't go to any church. I can hardly walk, can't take a bus or a train,
etc."
" That is why you can ask people from nearby churches for help. As I
> to Samaria and no one has come."
>
> One priest treated you badly. You refuse to find help from other
churches
> who can help you with your transportation needs to attend elsewhere.
"I can't go to any church. I can hardly walk, can't take a bus or a train,
etc."
recall you are within easy auto distance. If you can sit at home, you can
sit in an auto and in church.
As I recall also, you have made no effort to let other churches nearby know
of your situation. People could visit you for religious purposes.
But more gratification is found whining about the priest who acted badly.
You will teach him a lesson, no?
"ride request"
May 8, 2012, 3:24:53 PM5/8/12
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"And of course nobody ever proposed me any transportation to a church. The
priest who buried my mother offered me once. Then found an excuse not to
come. And since then nothing."
Yes, and you are teaching him a lesson he will not soon forget. Best not
priest who buried my mother offered me once. Then found an excuse not to
come. And since then nothing."
to contact other churches least this perfect plan for revenge be spoiled,
no?
RVG
May 8, 2012, 3:49:56 PM5/8/12
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so I can stand the travel in car.
Every turn, stop, speed hump is painful and potentially dangerous for my
back. So more than 5km is out of the question, especially in town.
There's a great (in a terrible way) book written by the late Jean-Louis
Palierne (who translated the Philocalia and Elder Justin Popovic's works
into French) called "Where is the Orthodox Church hiding ?" about the
situation of the Orthodox people in France and what is supposed to be
our church.
http://www.amazon.fr/dp/2825117420
When you know that French athonite monks like Elder Placide (Deseille)
have been literally persecuted for decades by the official clergy (the
school of Paris and all the mainstream clerics and "theologians"), you
may have an idea about what this "church" is paradise for: hypocrisy and
greed.
Already Saint Maria Skobtsova chose deportation and death because she
couldn't stand the stench of that clergy. I believe she was in better
company with her Jewish companions in the death camp of Ravensbrück: at
least the nazis spoke and acted frankly, you knew where you were - and
Mother Maria knew she could find the Holy Spirit there.
RVG
May 8, 2012, 3:51:03 PM5/8/12
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Job's "friends", go take a crap !
"ride request"
May 8, 2012, 4:44:09 PM5/8/12
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> "I can't go to any church. I can hardly walk, can't take a bus or a
train,
> etc."
>
> " That is why you can ask people from nearby churches for help. As I
> recall you are within easy auto distance. If you can sit at home, you
can
> sit in an auto and in church.
>
> As I recall also, you have made no effort to let other churches nearby
know
> of your situation. People could visit you for religious purposes.
>
> But more gratification is found whining about the priest who acted badly.
> You will teach him a lesson, no?
"Accusing me is your best defence, uh ? You're like the others, like Job's
"friends", go take a crap !"
I think we are at the heart of the matter. A mirror held up for self
train,
> etc."
>
> " That is why you can ask people from nearby churches for help. As I
> recall you are within easy auto distance. If you can sit at home, you
can
> sit in an auto and in church.
>
> As I recall also, you have made no effort to let other churches nearby
know
> of your situation. People could visit you for religious purposes.
>
> But more gratification is found whining about the priest who acted badly.
> You will teach him a lesson, no?
"Accusing me is your best defence, uh ? You're like the others, like Job's
"friends", go take a crap !"
reflection can be the bearer of horrible truths.
If there is to be an "accuser", we know who it is.
Bitterness is one of the most terrible self punishments one can endure, no?
Forgivness is the cure. That is if peace in life has no value over the
lesson you are teaching the priest at your expense.
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May 8, 2012, 6:48:48 PM5/8/12
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Galina
Todd
May 9, 2012, 2:08:19 PM5/9/12
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On 05/08/2012 06:32 AM, nickk - not the imposter wrote:
> "Account of the miracle that occurred at his grave: When over 100
> years old, St. John took seven disciples outside of Ephesus and had
> them dig a grave in the shape of a cross. St. John then went into the
> grave, and the disciples buried him there, alive. Later on, when his
> grave was opened, St. John's body was not there. 'On May 8 of each
> year, dust rises up from his grave, by which the sick are healed of
> various diseases.' "
Hi Nick,
> "Account of the miracle that occurred at his grave: When over 100
> years old, St. John took seven disciples outside of Ephesus and had
> them dig a grave in the shape of a cross. St. John then went into the
> grave, and the disciples buried him there, alive. Later on, when his
> grave was opened, St. John's body was not there. 'On May 8 of each
> year, dust rises up from his grave, by which the sick are healed of
> various diseases.' "
Same guy then. People's writing styles do change as they age and
they try to talk euphemistically from prison.
Any idea if he was out of prison when he died?
Yours in Christ,
-T
Todd
May 10, 2012, 2:36:53 PM5/10/12
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If I were to take a guess, I would posit that Vassili, with
his enormous intellect and with lots of time on his hands, occasionally
gets bored. And, to deal with it, he likes to pull our collective
chains. Although, I do believe he knows we will talk to him
without the chain pulling, I think he has more fun pulling
our chains. He has got me pretty good a few times. He is
just cursed with being really intelligent.
Just love him for his intellect and the compassion he
occasionally shows. When he pulls our chains, just say to
yourself "I am not falling for that" and ask him how he is
doing. Too smart; too much time on his hands. And
a good heart somewhere inside there.
Great advice you gave him by the way.
Yours in Christ,
-T
RVG
May 11, 2012, 6:40:14 AM5/11/12
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friends.
After my father's death in 2008 my mother's illness aggravated and I
knew I should expect her death since there's no cure for hepatitis C (or
rather there's one that works for 40% of type 1 hep C - but there are
four types, and my mother's was not type 1).
Being disabled, I should have inherited the bail of her rented
apartment. But in October 2008, Sarkozy's government passed a reform to
put an end to this right. Living near Paris, housing prices are near
those of London, ie 3 to 4 times higher than in Brussels or Berlin.
Add to that that I can hardly walk, carry nothing, can't do 90% of the
housework, etc. And because my spine but not my spinal chord is broken
and I don't need a wheelchair (a lombostat and canes allow me to walk
for about 10mn or 500m a day), I have no rights beside a disability pension.
So the problem is: I'm in a state of shock after my mother's death
(complete insomnia, panick attacks, etc. what the doctors call PTSD),
I'll be kicked manu militari out of "my" apartment (where my parents
arrived in 1968 and where I have all my childhood memories. Being an
INTJ schizoid and borderline autist, changing my everyday surroundings
will be pyshcologically disastrous), I'm considering suicide (I have
tons of medicines, especially for anxiety and insomnia that, taken with
alcohol and leaving the gas open with the windows closed will make it
for a quick and painless death) and at my mother's death I told myself
and God that I wanted to belief.
Now that I see that I have nothing to expect from the church, I'll just
wait for the cops to kick me out and kill myself with my cat.
"ride request"
May 11, 2012, 10:49:02 AM5/11/12
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"I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see that I have
nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to kick me
out and kill myself with my cat."
JamesD
May 11, 2012, 11:29:28 AM5/11/12
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Vassili, I take what you are saying very seriously. Perhaps with the new government inFrance things will become a little better; I don't know but I hope so for your sake. This morning my wife and I were reading our little book of devotions after breakfast. The thought for the day dealt with those times when we felt depressed and without hope. The writer said that when she experienced these times, she would think of one small thing... anything for which she was happy and then give t hanks to God. Then she would try to think of a second thing and then a third. She said that by the time she had reached the fourth thing, no matter how insignificant it might be, her mood had shifted to a more positive frame of mind. It's not much, Vassil, but it's all I have to offer you along with a promise to pray for you and for your situation. If "He" owns the cattle on a thousand hills and the wealth in every mine, surely He can bring joy to you and a resolution to this present situation.
Todd
May 11, 2012, 5:37:40 PM5/11/12
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On 05/11/2012 03:40 AM, RVG wrote:
> Thanks Todd, but I'm afraid you too fall into the same category of Job's
> friends.
Job from the bible?
> Thanks Todd, but I'm afraid you too fall into the same category of Job's
> friends.
> After my father's death in 2008 my mother's illness aggravated and I
> knew I should expect her death since there's no cure for hepatitis C (or
> rather there's one that works for 40% of type 1 hep C - but there are
> four types, and my mother's was not type 1).
a part of the human experience. You are suppose to feel it.
It will never go away -- it is not suppose to. But, you will
be better able to deal with it with time.
>
> Being disabled, I should have inherited the bail of her rented
> apartment. But in October 2008, Sarkozy's government passed a reform to
> put an end to this right. Living near Paris, housing prices are near
> those of London, ie 3 to 4 times higher than in Brussels or Berlin.
> Add to that that I can hardly walk, carry nothing, can't do 90% of the
> housework, etc. And because my spine but not my spinal chord is broken
> and I don't need a wheelchair (a lombostat and canes allow me to walk
> for about 10mn or 500m a day), I have no rights beside a disability
> pension.
>
> So the problem is: I'm in a state of shock after my mother's death
> (complete insomnia, panick attacks, etc. what the doctors call PTSD),
> I'll be kicked manu militari out of "my" apartment (where my parents
> arrived in 1968 and where I have all my childhood memories. Being an
> INTJ schizoid and borderline autist, changing my everyday surroundings
> will be pyshcologically disastrous), I'm considering suicide (I have
> tons of medicines, especially for anxiety and insomnia that, taken with
> alcohol and leaving the gas open with the windows closed will make it
> for a quick and painless death) and at my mother's death I told myself
> and God that I wanted to belief.
> Now that I see that I have nothing to expect from the church, I'll just
> wait for the cops to kick me out and kill myself with my cat.
is not even your first language and you run circles around me. You
have a keen intellect despite all these issues.
I suppose moving to a cheaper area is out of the question. I
have been watching a documentary on The Science of Healing,
They cite a study where patiences recovering from this or that
were divided into those that had a nature scene out the window
and ones that had a brick wall out the window. The ones with
the nature scene healed a day earlier and used half of the
pain meds. France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
a beautiful apartment in the country side?
I am not one to use drugs unless it is a dire emergency. (When
I broke my wrist, I refused to use the opioids that were
prescribed). I know of several instances where drug
interactions caused all kinds of problems. Could
that be affecting your? There are several web site out
there where you put your drugs into it and it will check
for interactions.
And the next time you think of offing yourself, made sure
we all know so we can pray for you. Then stand tall,
close your eyes, breath out slowly, breath in slowly,
make the sign of the cross as slow and deliberate
as you can, then open your eyes. Feel the Lord's love.
You will make it through this.
Yours in Christ,
-T
Todd
May 11, 2012, 5:51:43 PM5/11/12
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On 05/11/2012 02:37 PM, Todd wrote:
> France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
> a beautiful apartment in the country side?
And closer to a nicer church.
> France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
> a beautiful apartment in the country side?
RVG
May 11, 2012, 6:19:16 PM5/11/12
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RVG
May 11, 2012, 6:52:13 PM5/11/12
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than when I see someone face to face. I've learned to compensate for
this mild disorder, like with humour.
On the Myers-Briggs test I'm 78% INTJ. On the disorder personality test
I'm 80% schizoid (not schizophrenic) and I score 28/50 at the Asperger test.
Think of Glenn Gould for example to have an idea of my psychology.
I could have been a monk, and I've spent a lot of time at monasteries
feeling fine with silence and solitude.
I couldn't stay because of my bones condition forbidding me to do any
hard work. Plus the weather (most monasteries are in mountain areas) is
rather cold and humid. Great surroundings though. I spent a fortnight at
Fr Placide's monastery (a dependency of Mount Athos) and cried when I left.
> You
> have a keen intellect despite all these issues.
>
> I suppose moving to a cheaper area is out of the question.
When I can afford 300km in an ambulance (120€/km) I'll have bought a
small manor before. :)
I can't go and visit a house prior to renting or buying it, plus banks
won't give me a credit because of my health (or lack thereof).
I don't know what part of the world you live in, but in France the
situation of handicapped people hasn't been reformed since the 70s
(there's a little "reformette" from 2005 but it's never been enforced)
and Sarkozy's regime was (and still is until the new gov tries to
restore our previous rights) bordering fascism (ask the Gypsies).
We, disabled people, simply do not exist. Even to his last days, Sarkozy
pinned the nail in the coffin reminding us that 1st of May was the feast
of the "real workers".
We're seen as social parasites and, without the EU laws to protect us a
little, I don't doubt that Sarkozy would have treated us like the nazis.
After all, his counsellor Patrick Buisson is a former National Front
"journalist" who used to write Le Pen's speeches. In one of them that
makes a chapter of the National Front programme of 1995, he/Le Pen wrote
that the disabled should be treated "like horses and dogs".
If you think GW Bush was bad, Sarkozy was Dubya on wheels.
11 million French people are living today under the poverty threshold.
When Sarkozy was elected in 2008 he told the press that his main purpose
was to destroy everything that the National Council of Resistance (CNR)
had passed after the war to protect the weaker citizens.
So far, it's been a success. Of course we gave him the boot, but the
country's in shambles.
> I
> have been watching a documentary on The Science of Healing,
> They cite a study where patiences recovering from this or that
> were divided into those that had a nature scene out the window
> and ones that had a brick wall out the window. The ones with
> the nature scene healed a day earlier and used half of the
> pain meds. France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
> a beautiful apartment in the country side?
>
I can't afford to choose where I'll be placed. Most likely I'll be moved
to a "cité" with muslim rascals where's I'll be the only white
non-muslim citizen.
I can't be moved (3 to 6 spinal discs broken or injured, can't be
operated, Scheuermann's diseases, etc.) and I can't buy a house withiut
ruining myself. Banks won't give me credit, I won't have a retirement
pension, etc. Sarkozy's France is a fascist country.
> I am not one to use drugs unless it is a dire emergency. (When
> I broke my wrist, I refused to use the opioids that were
> prescribed). I know of several instances where drug
> interactions caused all kinds of problems. Could
> that be affecting your? There are several web site out
> there where you put your drugs into it and it will check
> for interactions.
>
After my mother died I spent three days without sleeping. I've lost the
sleepiness sensation except like today, I've slept five hours because
I've spent the last week sleeping 3-4 hours a night with sleeping pills.
I also don't feel hunger. I know I must eat something when I feel dizzy
because of a lack of sugar.
> And the next time you think of offing yourself, made sure
> we all know so we can pray for you. Then stand tall,
> close your eyes, breath out slowly, breath in slowly,
> make the sign of the cross as slow and deliberate
> as you can, then open your eyes. Feel the Lord's love.
> You will make it through this.
>
> Yours in Christ,
> -T
>
RVG
May 11, 2012, 6:52:51 PM5/11/12
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"ride request"
May 11, 2012, 7:51:29 PM5/11/12
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> "I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see that I
have
> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to kick me
> out and kill myself with my cat."
>
> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
Your's.
have
> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to kick me
> out and kill myself with my cat."
>
> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
"Race" is not relevant, whatever that is.
In Christ there is no "race".
God bless and keep you.
Todd
May 11, 2012, 9:52:18 PM5/11/12
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On 05/11/2012 03:19 PM, RVG wrote:
> Le 11/05/2012 16:49, "ride request" a écrit :
>> "I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see that I
>> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to kick me
>> out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".)
>
I don't think you meant "race". Perhaps you meant "nationality".
> Le 11/05/2012 16:49, "ride request" a écrit :
>> "I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see that I
>> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to kick me
>> out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".)
>
And the answer is "the nice one(s)". You probably speak and write
all 29 of their languages. Maybe you could be their official
translator? Maybe they could help you move in exchange?
Yours in Christ,
-T
Todd
May 11, 2012, 9:52:54 PM5/11/12
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On 05/11/2012 03:52 PM, RVG wrote:
> Le 11/05/2012 23:51, Todd a écrit :
>> On 05/11/2012 02:37 PM, Todd wrote:
>>> France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
>>> a beautiful apartment in the country side?
>>
>> And closer to a nicer church.
>
> I can't move without risking to break my spinal cord.
>
Yikes! Can others move you?
> Le 11/05/2012 23:51, Todd a écrit :
>> On 05/11/2012 02:37 PM, Todd wrote:
>>> France is an awfully beautiful place. May be
>>> a beautiful apartment in the country side?
>>
>> And closer to a nicer church.
>
> I can't move without risking to break my spinal cord.
>
Todd
May 11, 2012, 10:47:53 PM5/11/12
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On 05/11/2012 03:52 PM, RVG wrote:
>> I am not one to use drugs unless it is a dire emergency. (When
>> I broke my wrist, I refused to use the opioids that were
>> prescribed). I know of several instances where drug
>> interactions caused all kinds of problems. Could
>> that be affecting your? There are several web site out
>> there where you put your drugs into it and it will check
>> for interactions.
>>
>
> If I don't take medications I don't walk and I don't sleep. At all.
> After my mother died I spent three days without sleeping. I've lost the
> sleepiness sensation except like today, I've slept five hours because
> I've spent the last week sleeping 3-4 hours a night with sleeping pills.
> I also don't feel hunger. I know I must eat something when I feel dizzy
> because of a lack of sugar.
I was not actually wanting you not to take your medication. I was
>> I broke my wrist, I refused to use the opioids that were
>> prescribed). I know of several instances where drug
>> interactions caused all kinds of problems. Could
>> that be affecting your? There are several web site out
>> there where you put your drugs into it and it will check
>> for interactions.
>>
>
> If I don't take medications I don't walk and I don't sleep. At all.
> After my mother died I spent three days without sleeping. I've lost the
> sleepiness sensation except like today, I've slept five hours because
> I've spent the last week sleeping 3-4 hours a night with sleeping pills.
> I also don't feel hunger. I know I must eat something when I feel dizzy
> because of a lack of sugar.
wanting to see if any of them were interacting with each other,
causing some of the things you describe.
I know of two instances where this was the case. One where a
man could not raise his arms above his shoulders and one
were a man was in a zombie like stupor, were he had the be lead
around by hand. Both were drug interactions.
Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can
help were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for
healing broken bones and sleeping.
My prayers and tears are with you. As I occasionally think
about you and I am sure other do to, please keep us posted.
I am about say something that will get me in dutch with other
on this group, but if the Orthodox community is not
responding to your case, maybe try the Catholics or Protestants.
They may not be the Ancient Church, but they love the Lord too.
My prayers and tears are with you. As I occasionally think
about you, and I am sure other do too, please keep us posted.
Yours in Christ,
-T
RVG
May 14, 2012, 5:54:55 PM5/14/12
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Le 12/05/2012 01:51, "ride request" a écrit :
>> "I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see
>> that I
> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to
>> kick me out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
>
> Your's.
>
> "Race" is not relevant, whatever that is.
Greek, Russian, Serb, Romanian, Bulgarian, etc. etc.
>> "I told myself and God that I wanted to belief. Now that I see
>> that I
> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to
>> kick me out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
>
> Your's.
>
> "Race" is not relevant, whatever that is.
>
> In Christ there is no "race".
>
In North America you have the OCA that may be criticized but at least
they try to overcome the barriers of the origins. There's no such thing
here, not as an organized church. That's why for example Russia is
literally stealing away *our* Russian cathedrals and churches in France
(Biarritz, Nice...) and the francophone St Silouan monastery (near Le
Mans) had to get away from the Moscow Patriarchate to avoid being
invaded by Russian monks.
> God bless and keep you.
>
any grace or blessing. Prayer not helping, it actually increases my
level of anxiety.
RVG
May 14, 2012, 6:10:08 PM5/14/12
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I started to learn English in 2nd grade and studied, travelled and
worked in English speaking countries, mostly in Scotland (not a country
yet, but soon), England (to see Fr Sophrony), Canada and the Channel
Islands (not far from my grandmother's village in Normandy).
Of course I can't travel any more, my back is in three pieces holding by
a thread. that's why contemplating a change of house is a nightmare.
Yesterday I dropped a letter that managed to fall under a cupboard. Took
me about half an hour with a garden claw to get it back.
There really is something demonic about my situation. For example,
there's my mother's former carer who used to come one hour a week to
help me clean the house. Three weeks ago she fell in the stairs and
sprained both ankles !!! She phoned me last week that she had gone back
to work, but she's had another accident when she came in a disabled
person's house: she tripped on his wheelchair and broke her shoulder !
She's a very poor African immigrant with two young children, and a very
nice person, she took great care of my mother last year and came to her
burial.
Now my banker: last week we were supposed to meet to terminate my
mother's accounts and move the money to mine. Bad luck ! He got a
phlegmon: an acute inflammation of his hand that spread in all his arm,
and he's at the hospital in the emergency service !
So next month "my" house owner should file a claim to the judge against
me in order to kick me out. Apart from that I'm jolly.
RVG
May 14, 2012, 6:13:24 PM5/14/12
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can't lift, turn, bend or sit in a vehicle without the risk of ending up
paralysed. But because my spine is not actually broken, I can't have any
of the social help fully handicapped people may get, like a carer, free
transportation in special vehicles, etc.
RVG
May 14, 2012, 6:24:29 PM5/14/12
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(cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up a lot
(1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my growth,
resulting in intense global inflammations that have not been treated
then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more calcium). By the age
of 38 my back gave up.
> My prayers and tears are with you. As I occasionally think
> about you and I am sure other do to, please keep us posted.
>
> I am about say something that will get me in dutch with other
> on this group, but if the Orthodox community is not
> responding to your case, maybe try the Catholics or Protestants.
> They may not be the Ancient Church, but they love the Lord too.
>
they're now leaving 800km away, near the Spanish border.
Protestants are a minority here, most of them live in the West of
France, between La Rochelle and Bordeaux, and in the Pyrenees mountains,
fleeing the persecutions under Louis XIV.
The main religion in my town is Islam, since it used to be a big
industrial town that attracted many foreign workers until the 70s.
In my neighbourhood they're nice, hard-working people, but apart from
the Persian Sufi poets I don't feel any special connection with this faith.
> My prayers and tears are with you. As I occasionally think
> about you, and I am sure other do too, please keep us posted.
>
> Yours in Christ,
> -T
RVG
May 14, 2012, 6:30:03 PM5/14/12
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blocked, all the memories I had of my mother got blocked or erased at
the moment I saw her at the hospital two days before her death. It means
that everything in my life involving my mother even for a split second
has gone into oblivion, and trying to remember triggers anxiety and
panic attacks.
I'm a mess. I've thrown important mail to the bin with old papers and
stupid spam we find in the mailbox. I wrote notes about the important
things I have to do, but I can't find these notes - I must have thrown
them too. I know I have notes on other important things, but I can't
remember those things neither what those notes look like and where they are.
"ride request"
May 15, 2012, 11:23:04 AM5/15/12
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>> that I
> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to
>> kick me out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
>
> Your's.
>
> "Race" is not relevant, whatever that is.
Greek, Russian, Serb, Romanian, Bulgarian, etc. etc.
>
> In Christ there is no "race".
>
"Tell that to the local ethnic communities."
I do, local to me.
> have
>> nothing to expect from the church, I'll just wait for the cops to
>> kick me out and kill myself with my cat."
>>
>> When you asked your bishop for help what was his response?
>
> Which one of the 25 orthodox bishops in Paris ? (One per "race".""
>
> Your's.
>
> "Race" is not relevant, whatever that is.
Greek, Russian, Serb, Romanian, Bulgarian, etc. etc.
>
> In Christ there is no "race".
>
"Tell that to the local ethnic communities."
I'm sorry for the loss of your mother.
If french social support is lacking then turn to the church. When you were
an active church member there was a bishop. Call whoever occupies that
chair now.
I was for many years employed in the mental health service. You are
depressed, all the symptoms are there, and it is easy to see why. The loss
of a person near to us is always difficult.
One of the hallmarks of the severely depressed person is to think there are
no solutions to their present problems. This is of course not the case by
definition. You keep telling us why something is not possible. This is a
circle of self defeat. It is pure negative thinking at its worst.
Take action and ask the church for help and break the circle.
And most of all pray.
Lord Jesus Christ son of God have mercy on me a sinner.
When depression, a demon we all have at times, is stalking me I use this
prayer.
++
May 15, 2012, 12:48:07 PM5/15/12
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I'm going to make a kind of stupid suggestion, Vassii,
Listen to whole Orthodox services or find one of those people on
Youtube who has posted 365+ pieces of Orthodox chant in various
languages and then let the forty or so of them that will autoplay one
after another. There will be slight irritations in the playlist, but
you will get hours of chant within which, I find at least, that
somehow, clarity starts to happen. I have found it a kind of way out
of distraction if it is not too loud, but is loud enough to be
intelligible. It helps if the language is one you know and central to
your spiritual experience, so, for example, I will do Slavonic or
English or Greek services I mostly know, but not , say, Romanian or
German or whatever I don't have any of in my deep memory. Even some
language which I have only had in school, like French, can be
successful, but not as well. I discovered this when I got high speed
internet a year and a half ago, before which, I really couldn't handle
Youtube with dialup. Same thing works with a series of CDs or
records, of course.
Christ is Risen,
Galina
Listen to whole Orthodox services or find one of those people on
Youtube who has posted 365+ pieces of Orthodox chant in various
languages and then let the forty or so of them that will autoplay one
after another. There will be slight irritations in the playlist, but
you will get hours of chant within which, I find at least, that
somehow, clarity starts to happen. I have found it a kind of way out
of distraction if it is not too loud, but is loud enough to be
intelligible. It helps if the language is one you know and central to
your spiritual experience, so, for example, I will do Slavonic or
English or Greek services I mostly know, but not , say, Romanian or
German or whatever I don't have any of in my deep memory. Even some
language which I have only had in school, like French, can be
successful, but not as well. I discovered this when I got high speed
internet a year and a half ago, before which, I really couldn't handle
Youtube with dialup. Same thing works with a series of CDs or
records, of course.
Christ is Risen,
Galina
Todd
May 15, 2012, 2:37:55 PM5/15/12
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On 05/14/2012 03:24 PM, RVG wrote:
>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can
>> help were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for
>> healing broken bones and sleeping.
>>
>
> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up a lot
> (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my growth,
> resulting in intense global inflammations that have not been treated
> then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more calcium). By the age
> of 38 my back gave up.
Hi Vassily,
>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can
>> help were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for
>> healing broken bones and sleeping.
>>
>
> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up a lot
> (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my growth,
> resulting in intense global inflammations that have not been treated
> then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more calcium). By the age
> of 38 my back gave up.
The long name for the bone stuff is called "bone, flesh and cartilage".
The have lots of stuff for inflammation too. Chinese herbalists
treat both the body and the mind at the same time.
Have you checked for drug interactions yet?
Just an idea, have you contacted the French equivalent of your
congressman? Ask him for help in getting the regulations changed to
get you classified under the provisions for broken backs? Congressman
"love" to grandstand. They should call it the "Vassily" act.
Yours in Christ,
-T
RVG
May 18, 2012, 12:55:52 AM5/18/12
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Le 15/05/2012 18:48, ++ a écrit :
>>
>> Thanks, James, but regarding "happy things" half of my memory is
>> blocked, all the memories I had of my mother got blocked or erased
>> at the moment I saw her at the hospital two days before her death.
>> It means that everything in my life involving my mother even for a
>> split second has gone into oblivion, and trying to remember
>> triggers anxiety and panic attacks.
>>
>> I'm a mess. I've thrown important mail to the bin with old papers
>> and stupid spam we find in the mailbox. I wrote notes about the
>> important things I have to do, but I can't find these notes - I
>> must have thrown them too. I know I have notes on other important
>> things, but I can't remember those things neither what those notes
>> look like and where they are.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, James, but regarding "happy things" half of my memory is
>> blocked, all the memories I had of my mother got blocked or erased
>> at the moment I saw her at the hospital two days before her death.
>> It means that everything in my life involving my mother even for a
>> split second has gone into oblivion, and trying to remember
>> triggers anxiety and panic attacks.
>>
>> I'm a mess. I've thrown important mail to the bin with old papers
>> and stupid spam we find in the mailbox. I wrote notes about the
>> important things I have to do, but I can't find these notes - I
>> must have thrown them too. I know I have notes on other important
>> things, but I can't remember those things neither what those notes
>> look like and where they are.
>>
> I'm going to make a kind of stupid suggestion, Vassii,
>
> Listen to whole Orthodox services or find one of those people on
> Youtube who has posted 365+ pieces of Orthodox chant in various
> languages and then let the forty or so of them that will autoplay
> one after another. There will be slight irritations in the playlist,
> but you will get hours of chant within which, I find at least, that
> somehow, clarity starts to happen.
When I listen to music I usually analyse it the same time. Church music
>
> Listen to whole Orthodox services or find one of those people on
> Youtube who has posted 365+ pieces of Orthodox chant in various
> languages and then let the forty or so of them that will autoplay
> one after another. There will be slight irritations in the playlist,
> but you will get hours of chant within which, I find at least, that
> somehow, clarity starts to happen.
is usually very poor harmonically speaking, with exceptions like
Rachmaninoff's Great Vigils or superb chants and improvisations by
protopsalts like Theodoros Vassilokos.
Once I've disassembled a tune, it's no longer magical: it looks to me
like the mechanism of a clock with all its pieces out, or like reading a
cooking recipe.
> I have found it a kind of way out of distraction if it is not too
> loud, but is loud enough to be intelligible. It helps if the
> language is one you know and central to your spiritual experience,
> so, for example, I will do Slavonic or English or Greek services I
> mostly know, but not , say, Romanian or German or whatever I don't
> have any of in my deep memory. Even some language which I have only
> had in school, like French, can be successful, but not as well. I
> discovered this when I got high speed internet a year and a half ago,
> before which, I really couldn't handle Youtube with dialup. Same
> thing works with a series of CDs or records, of course.
>
in its evangelical sense.
> Christ is Risen, Galina
>
>
--
« Dieu n'est-il pas le poète suprême en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? »
Vladimir Jankélévitch
>
--
« Dieu n'est-il pas le poète suprême en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? »
Vladimir Jankélévitch
RVG
May 18, 2012, 1:01:27 AM5/18/12
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Le 15/05/2012 20:37, Todd a �crit :
Ours should in all probability be kicked out at the incoming election
next month. The guy got the brilliant idea to get rid of the homeless
people: just bomb them with stinking gas and, if it's not enough, tear
gas. He lost his mayoral seat a couple of years ago for this superb
sense of civility. Of course he's a rightist.
> Ask him for help in getting the regulations changed to get you
> classified under the provisions for broken backs? Congressman "love"
> to grandstand. They should call it the "Vassily" act.
>
Not really, the d�put�s mostly get their seats to vote the president's
projects of law.
> Yours in Christ, -T
>
--
� Dieu n'est-il pas le po�te supr�me en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? �
Vladimir Jank�l�vitch
> On 05/14/2012 03:24 PM, RVG wrote:
>>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can help
>>> were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for healing
>>> broken bones and sleeping.
>>>
>>
>> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
>> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up
>> a lot (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my
>> growth, resulting in intense global inflammations that have not
>> been treated then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more
>> calcium). By the age of 38 my back gave up.
>
> Hi Vassily,
>
> The long name for the bone stuff is called "bone, flesh and
> cartilage". The have lots of stuff for inflammation too. Chinese
> herbalists treat both the body and the mind at the same time.
>
> Have you checked for drug interactions yet?
>
> Just an idea, have you contacted the French equivalent of your
> congressman?
We call them "d�put�s", they work at the Assembl�e Nationale.
>>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can help
>>> were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for healing
>>> broken bones and sleeping.
>>>
>>
>> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
>> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up
>> a lot (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my
>> growth, resulting in intense global inflammations that have not
>> been treated then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more
>> calcium). By the age of 38 my back gave up.
>
> Hi Vassily,
>
> The long name for the bone stuff is called "bone, flesh and
> cartilage". The have lots of stuff for inflammation too. Chinese
> herbalists treat both the body and the mind at the same time.
>
> Have you checked for drug interactions yet?
>
> Just an idea, have you contacted the French equivalent of your
> congressman?
Ours should in all probability be kicked out at the incoming election
next month. The guy got the brilliant idea to get rid of the homeless
people: just bomb them with stinking gas and, if it's not enough, tear
gas. He lost his mayoral seat a couple of years ago for this superb
sense of civility. Of course he's a rightist.
> Ask him for help in getting the regulations changed to get you
> classified under the provisions for broken backs? Congressman "love"
> to grandstand. They should call it the "Vassily" act.
>
projects of law.
> Yours in Christ, -T
>
--
Vladimir Jank�l�vitch
"ride request"
May 18, 2012, 10:41:34 AM5/18/12
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If you want a continuous stream of orthodox music and some readings:
http://ancientfaith1.streamguys.com/live.m3u
If that doesn't work in your computer, just ask and I can provide it in
other streaming formats.
They have a stream of podcasts on many many topics in orthodoxy:
http://ancientfaith2.streamguys.com/live.m3u
The web site for this group is:
http://ancientfaith.com/orthodox_media
One can from there access the thousands of individual podcasts and
transcripts also.
May the blessing and peace from God that is above all understanding be
yours.
http://ancientfaith1.streamguys.com/live.m3u
If that doesn't work in your computer, just ask and I can provide it in
other streaming formats.
They have a stream of podcasts on many many topics in orthodoxy:
http://ancientfaith2.streamguys.com/live.m3u
The web site for this group is:
http://ancientfaith.com/orthodox_media
One can from there access the thousands of individual podcasts and
transcripts also.
May the blessing and peace from God that is above all understanding be
yours.
JamesD
May 18, 2012, 11:24:52 AM5/18/12
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Thanks for the reminder. Funny (since I was one of the original listeners/donars) to AFR that I would somehow forget about it.
Todd
May 18, 2012, 5:44:05 PM5/18/12
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On 05/17/2012 10:01 PM, RVG wrote:
Don't give up so easily. Politicians are always wanting to
improve their image. Give it a shot. You won't loose
anything by trying. Worst case, you have to get you picture
taken with him. You can fix that after the fact with
a little soap and water. Call him a Fascist under your
breath a few times ... (Don't let him hear you!)
Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe
it is time to get a lawyer involved.
Yours in Christ,
-T
> Le 15/05/2012 20:37, Todd a écrit :
>> On 05/14/2012 03:24 PM, RVG wrote:
>>>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can help
>>>> were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for healing
>>>> broken bones and sleeping.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
>>> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up
>>> a lot (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my
>>> growth, resulting in intense global inflammations that have not
>>> been treated then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more
>>> calcium). By the age of 38 my back gave up.
>>
>> Hi Vassily,
>>
>> The long name for the bone stuff is called "bone, flesh and
>> cartilage". The have lots of stuff for inflammation too. Chinese
>> herbalists treat both the body and the mind at the same time.
>>
>> Have you checked for drug interactions yet?
>>
>> Just an idea, have you contacted the French equivalent of your
>> congressman?
>
> We call them "députés", they work at the Assemblée Nationale.
>> On 05/14/2012 03:24 PM, RVG wrote:
>>>> Do you have access to herbalists in France? They often can help
>>>> were allopaths can not. I do know they have things for healing
>>>> broken bones and sleeping.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My bones are not broken, just inflamed. But several spinal discs
>>> (cartilage) are broken. Because of Scheuermann's disease I grew up
>>> a lot (1m98) and most of my joints have been crushed during my
>>> growth, resulting in intense global inflammations that have not
>>> been treated then (the doctor only prescribed calcium and more
>>> calcium). By the age of 38 my back gave up.
>>
>> Hi Vassily,
>>
>> The long name for the bone stuff is called "bone, flesh and
>> cartilage". The have lots of stuff for inflammation too. Chinese
>> herbalists treat both the body and the mind at the same time.
>>
>> Have you checked for drug interactions yet?
>>
>> Just an idea, have you contacted the French equivalent of your
>> congressman?
>
> Ours should in all probability be kicked out at the incoming election
> next month. The guy got the brilliant idea to get rid of the homeless
> people: just bomb them with stinking gas and, if it's not enough, tear
> gas. He lost his mayoral seat a couple of years ago for this superb
> sense of civility. Of course he's a rightist.
>
>> Ask him for help in getting the regulations changed to get you
>> classified under the provisions for broken backs? Congressman "love"
>> to grandstand. They should call it the "Vassily" act.
>>
>
> Not really, the députés mostly get their seats to vote the president's
> next month. The guy got the brilliant idea to get rid of the homeless
> people: just bomb them with stinking gas and, if it's not enough, tear
> gas. He lost his mayoral seat a couple of years ago for this superb
> sense of civility. Of course he's a rightist.
>
>> Ask him for help in getting the regulations changed to get you
>> classified under the provisions for broken backs? Congressman "love"
>> to grandstand. They should call it the "Vassily" act.
>>
>
> projects of law.
>
>> Yours in Christ, -T
>>
Hi Vassily,
>
>> Yours in Christ, -T
>>
Don't give up so easily. Politicians are always wanting to
improve their image. Give it a shot. You won't loose
anything by trying. Worst case, you have to get you picture
taken with him. You can fix that after the fact with
a little soap and water. Call him a Fascist under your
breath a few times ... (Don't let him hear you!)
Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe
it is time to get a lawyer involved.
Yours in Christ,
-T
RVG
May 21, 2012, 5:29:55 AM5/21/12
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count much in France, especially the Sarkozy clique.
> Give it a shot. You won't loose anything by trying. Worst case, you
> have to get you picture taken with him. You can fix that after the
> fact with a little soap and water. Call him a Fascist under your
> breath a few times ... (Don't let him hear you!)
>
> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
> get a lawyer involved.
>
disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
--
« Dieu n'est-il pas le poète suprême en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? »
Vladimir Jankélévitch
Todd
May 21, 2012, 3:36:21 PM5/21/12
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On 05/21/2012 02:29 AM, RVG wrote:
>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>> get a lawyer involved.
>>
>
> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>> get a lawyer involved.
>>
>
> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
know they have to treat you gentle? Both my wife and I are
concerned that they may bully you a bit and hurt your spine.
-T
RVG
May 22, 2012, 7:54:49 AM5/22/12
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Le 21/05/2012 16:52, "ride request" a écrit :
> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>
I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine.
> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual guidance?
No.
> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>
I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine.
> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual guidance?
No.
RVG
May 22, 2012, 7:57:01 AM5/22/12
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Le 21/05/2012 21:36, Todd a écrit :
> On 05/21/2012 02:29 AM, RVG wrote:
>>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>>> get a lawyer involved.
>>>
>>
>> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
>> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
>> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
>> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
>> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
>
> Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
> know they have to treat you gentle?
Ten years of Sarkozy turned them into nazis.
> On 05/21/2012 02:29 AM, RVG wrote:
>>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>>> get a lawyer involved.
>>>
>>
>> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
>> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
>> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
>> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
>> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
>
> Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
> know they have to treat you gentle?
See how they treat a black pregnant woman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ02sPi96s
> Both my wife and I are
> concerned that they may bully you a bit and hurt your spine.
>
> -T
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May 22, 2012, 1:55:01 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 7:57 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
> > know they have to treat you gentle?
>
> Ten years of Sarkozy turned them into nazis.
> See how they treat a black pregnant woman:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ02sPi96s
>
This is indeed an unnecessarily violent eviction of homeless citizens.
> > Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
> > know they have to treat you gentle?
>
> Ten years of Sarkozy turned them into nazis.
> See how they treat a black pregnant woman:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ02sPi96s
>
A woman and her baby are dragged along the ground by the French Police
Nous citoyenEs, associations, réseaux, syndicats, organisations,
dénonçons les violences exercées par les forces de l'ordre sous
l'autorité du Préfet de la Seine Saint Denis, dans la matinée du 21
juillet 2010 , sous la barre Honoré de Balzac, à la Courneuve, à
l'encontre de familles sans logis.
Une vidéo publiée sur internet, et relayée par des médias du monde
entier fait la preuve que ces violences ont été exercées à
l'encontreet plus particulièrement, de jeunes femmes, de mères avec
leur bébé, d'une femme enceinte, avant d'être interpellées et
conduites dans des commissariats de police.
Toute ces personnes expulsées de leur logement le 8 juillet, campaient
au pied du bâtiment afin d'être relogées. Elles sont restées
pacifiques et non violentes, malgré la brutalité et la précipitation
manifeste des forces de l'ordre.
Cette opération de police a débuté par l'arrestation et la mise en
garde à vue d'un responsable du DAL, lequel a été accusé une nouvelle
fois de « manifestation non autorisée », et de « refus de dispersion
après les sommations d'usage », passibles de 6 mois de prison et de
7500 euros d'amende. Cette nouvelle stratégie policière vise a
éttouffer les mouvements de défense et de mobilisation des mal-logés
et des sans logis.
Ces actes commis dans un département pilote de la nouvelle politique
du chef de l'État semblent annoncer le durcissement annoncé par le
chef d'Etat des politiques vis-à-vis des étrangers. Or dans la
violence et la confusion de l'évacuation un drame irréparable aurait
pu arriver.
Parce que notre démocratie et notre république seraient défigurées si
de tels actes devaient se reproduire, nous demandons que le
gouvernement ordonne une enquète et prenne les sanctions et les
mesures pour que cela cesse, et suspende le harcèlement judiciaire
dont l'association Droit Au Logement est l'objet.
Todd
May 22, 2012, 1:59:16 PM5/22/12
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On 05/22/2012 04:57 AM, RVG wrote:
> Le 21/05/2012 21:36, Todd a écrit :
>> On 05/21/2012 02:29 AM, RVG wrote:
>>>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>>>> get a lawyer involved.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
>>> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
>>> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
>>> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
>>> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
>>
>> Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
>> know they have to treat you gentle?
>
> Ten years of Sarkozy turned them into nazis.
> See how they treat a black pregnant woman:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ02sPi96s
>
>> Both my wife and I are
>> concerned that they may bully you a bit and hurt your spine.
>>
>> -T
>
>
You are not answering the question. Are YOU in danger?
> Le 21/05/2012 21:36, Todd a écrit :
>> On 05/21/2012 02:29 AM, RVG wrote:
>>>> Also, do you have any free legal help in France? Maybe it is time to
>>>> get a lawyer involved.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The lawyer said he can do nothing for me. French law doesn't protect the
>>> disabled anymore, since 2008. I know a disabled woman whose house
>>> legally belongs to her cousin who is bidding the house because she needs
>>> money. This woman will be kicked in the street or to some medical house,
>>> there's nothing legal she can do to stay.
>>
>> Yikes! If and when the cops show up to toss you out, do they
>> know they have to treat you gentle?
>
> Ten years of Sarkozy turned them into nazis.
> See how they treat a black pregnant woman:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ02sPi96s
>
>> Both my wife and I are
>> concerned that they may bully you a bit and hurt your spine.
>>
>> -T
>
>
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May 22, 2012, 2:07:30 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 1:59 pm, Todd <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/22/2012 04:57 AM, RVG wrote:
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> > Le 21/05/2012 21:36, Todd a crit :
> On 05/22/2012 04:57 AM, RVG wrote:
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Do YOU have friends in the churches of France that can minister to him
personally? Are you going to France to assist him?
Todd
May 22, 2012, 2:20:10 PM5/22/12
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that can help him? Anyone know who his bishop is?
I fear that the act of removing him from his apartment will
injure him further. I was inquiring of him if that is an
issue. I worry about him a bit.
RVG
May 22, 2012, 5:37:04 PM5/22/12
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Le 22/05/2012 15:56, "ride request" a écrit :
>> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>>
>
> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>
> The one whose church in which you were once a communicate
>> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>>
>
> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>
>
I've been to all kinds of Orthodox churches in Paris while I was still
in good shape.
>> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual guidance?
>
> "No."
>
The priest always finds an excuse not to come and visit.
RVG
May 22, 2012, 5:46:19 PM5/22/12
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parliamentary elections.
The current representative (député) is a right-wing sarkozyst who used
to treat the homeless people with toxic gas called Malodor. When Sarkozy
came to my town in 2007 he said to the TV cameras, speaking of the poor
people and the "immigrants" (who I think make like 70% of the local
population of almost 100,000 inh.), that he would "get rid of that
vermin" ("Je vais vous débarrasser de cette racaille." Ditto.).
Here Hollande made 65% on the second turn of the election and I'm guite
sure the next député will be a socialist, but Hollande and "we the
people" need a clear majority in order to restore the republican order
of based on equal rights and liberty that has been seriously damaged and
even destroyed in parts by Sarkozy.
To summarize, Sarkozy was a sort of synthesis of Reagan, Thatcher and
Berlusconi with elements of Eastern Europe tyrants and Zionist likudniks.
Journalists have seen him spend quiet time in a riad in Morocco that
is said to have been offered to him by the now infamous Ziad Takieddine.
"ride request"
May 22, 2012, 7:34:02 PM5/22/12
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>> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>>
>
> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>
> The one whose church in which you were once a communicate
>
"I've been to all kinds of Orthodox churches in Paris while I was still in
good shape."
Then you have a wide choice of places to request help.
>>
>
> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>
> The one whose church in which you were once a communicate
>
"I've been to all kinds of Orthodox churches in Paris while I was still in
good shape."
>> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual
guidance?
>
> "No."
>
> If you don't ask this will continue to be the reality.
"The priest always finds an excuse not to come and visit."
spiritual and other needs?
I see you are in a better condition regarding your clinical depression now.
Have you prayed the Jesus prayer and did it help?
God keep you and provide the peace that passes all understanding.
RVG
May 25, 2012, 12:00:00 PM5/25/12
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Le 23/05/2012 01:34, "ride request" a ï¿œcrit :
retirement and, being Greek, contemplates his old days on his now dire
island with the same stress as me with my flat.
> I see you are in a better condition regarding your clinical depression now.
> Have you prayed the Jesus prayer and did it help?
>
Prayer comes and goes, between panic attacks that leave me empty.
It's not a depression in fact. Being schizoid, I don't get depressed,
quite the contrary: I overanalyze to the boiling point and then nothing
goes. I used to react by a strong sense of absurd humour, but when
absurdity turns into hostility, the humour tends to squeeze.
> God keep you and provide the peace that passes all understanding.
--
ￜ Dieu n'est-il pas le poￜte suprￜme en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? ￜ
Vladimir Jankï¿œlï¿œvitch
>>> What news of the request to your bishop for help?
>>>
>>
>> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>>
>> The one whose church in which you were once a communicate
>>
>
> "I've been to all kinds of Orthodox churches in Paris while I was still in
> good shape."
>
> Then you have a wide choice of places to request help.
>
>>> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual
> guidance?
>>
>> "No."
>>
>> If you don't ask this will continue to be the reality.
>
> "The priest always finds an excuse not to come and visit."
>
> Which priest if none have been directed by the bishop to attend your
> spiritual and other needs?
>
Okay, he has his health problems too. He's sympathetic, but nearing
>>>
>>
>> "I don't know what bishop is supposed to be mine."
>>
>> The one whose church in which you were once a communicate
>>
>
> "I've been to all kinds of Orthodox churches in Paris while I was still in
> good shape."
>
> Then you have a wide choice of places to request help.
>
>>> Has a religious person been assigned to visit you for spiritual
> guidance?
>>
>> "No."
>>
>> If you don't ask this will continue to be the reality.
>
> "The priest always finds an excuse not to come and visit."
>
> Which priest if none have been directed by the bishop to attend your
> spiritual and other needs?
>
retirement and, being Greek, contemplates his old days on his now dire
island with the same stress as me with my flat.
> I see you are in a better condition regarding your clinical depression now.
> Have you prayed the Jesus prayer and did it help?
>
It's not a depression in fact. Being schizoid, I don't get depressed,
quite the contrary: I overanalyze to the boiling point and then nothing
goes. I used to react by a strong sense of absurd humour, but when
absurdity turns into hostility, the humour tends to squeeze.
> God keep you and provide the peace that passes all understanding.
ￜ Dieu n'est-il pas le poￜte suprￜme en tant qu'il improvise les mondes ? ￜ
Vladimir Jankï¿œlï¿œvitch
Todd
May 25, 2012, 6:55:27 PM5/25/12
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On 05/22/2012 02:46 PM, RVG wrote:
>> You are not answering the question. Are YOU in danger?
>
> Potentially, yes. Now all depends on the results of the incoming
> parliamentary elections.
I don't know about France, but the cops don't change after
>> You are not answering the question. Are YOU in danger?
>
> Potentially, yes. Now all depends on the results of the incoming
> parliamentary elections.
an election (or at least it takes a few years for reforms
to get in place).
Do the cops that will be arriving at your door step know
that they have to transport you with medical vehicles
and they can not just grab and yank on you?
Your in Christ,
-T
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