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Michael Christ
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On 3/02/2024 11:57 pm, NightBulb wrote:
> NightBulb Blog | https://blog.nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.
>
> Soul sleep is the novel idea, originating recently in history, that
> when a man dies his soul ceases to exist. The cults twist the meaning
> of a few verses of the Bible to support this novel idea. The Watchtower
> Society or Jehovah's Witnesses and some of the Seventh Day Adventist
> Churches are chief among the modern promoters of soul sleep. Some
> well-known youtube presenters also promote this false doctrine of soul
> sleep.
>
> In the ancient, Biblical world of the Near East and Mesopotamia the idea
> of soul sleep did not exist. Every culture in the region believed in an
> afterlife abode for disembodied souls of men. This abode was called
> Hades in Greek and Sheol in Hebrew. It is important to note that the
> concept of soul sleep did not exist in the ancient culture. Every
> culture believed in a conscious existence after the death of the body.
> Nothing like the idea of soul sleep was known to these ancient peoples.
>
> The Bible has copious passages referring to conscious life after death.
> There are many verses in both the Old Testament and the New Testament
> showing the people and the Prophets believed in a conscious spiritual
> existence after the death of the body.
>
> To examine all of these scriptures would require a very lengthy paper
> at least a few dozen pages in size. For brevity herein we will examine
> only a fraction of these passages from the New Testament. This small
> fraction of passages destroys the concept of soul sleep and proves the
> promoters of soul sleep are teaching contrary to the Bible.
>
> The book of Acts defines "falling asleep" as a man's spirit going to
> heaven to be with God the Father and Jesus Christ. We learn this
> definition in the book of Acts:
>
> "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into
> heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand
> of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son
> of man standing on the right hand of God. Then they cried out
> with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one
> accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the
> witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was
> Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord
> Jesus, receive my spirit. And he kneeled down, and cried with a
> loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had
> said this, he fell asleep." (Acts 7:55-60)
>
> From this passage of the book of Acts we learn several key facts:
>
> 1. As Stephen was about to die, God the Father and Jesus opened the view
> of heaven to Stephen so Stephen could see them. It is very clear that
> God and Jesus considered this man so dearly as he suffered death by
> stoning that they were preparing to personally receive Stephen into
> their realm.
>
> 2. Jesus was STANDING at the throne of the Father, indicating he is
> eager to receive Stephen upon Stephen laying down his body and
> ascending to heaven. This indicates that Jesus is going to personally
> greet Stephen at the very throne of God. This is a grand reception. It
> is virtually a standing ovation by the King of Kings for the faithful
> martyr, Stephen.
>
> 3. Stephen testifies, full of the Holy Ghost, that his spiritual soul
> is going to shortly ascend to meet the Lord Jesus Christ. He will be
> fully conscious and alive after his body dies, and he knows it because
> he sees Jesus watching him at the ready. Stephen clearly states he has a
> spirit that will be shortly separated from his body and that he will go
> to be with Jesus.
>
> 4. The last verse of this quoted selection defines "sleep" when applied
> to death. It is only the body that is falling "asleep". The application
> of "sleep" has nothing to do with the spiritual soul of the redeemed
> saint, who will be immediately taken into heaven, fully alive and
> conscious in a spiritual form of existence.
>
> This one story from Acts alone completely negates the "soul sleep"
> doctrine of the cults. It is important to note here that the Bible
> clearly defines "sleep" as the death of the body, and not the death of
> the conscious, spiritual element of man. "Sleep" is a metaphor for
> death describing the appearance of the physical body, and has nothing
> to do with the spiritual soul. When Stephen's body died, it is said
> that he, "fell asleep". This is only a reference to his body, not to
> his spirit. By the written testimony of the Holy Ghost, Jesus was ready
> to receive Stephen into heaven in Stephen's spiritual form.
>
> We also know that man has another body, or a spiritual body, or a
> spiritual soul, beside the physical one. It is of a form that is not
> visible to the normal human senses, but can be made visible by the
> power of the Holy Spirit, as in the transfiguration on the mount. This
> spiritual soul is mentioned several times in both the Old and New
> Testaments. In the transfiguration on the mount the Apostles were given
> the ability to see the spiritual soul of Jesus, which was very bright.
> Jesus is truly, "The light of the world" and in his spirit he
> shines like the sun.
>
> When the thief prayed to Jesus at the crucifixion, Jesus told the thief:
>
> "Today you will be with me in paradise."
>
> Paradise is in the heavenly realm. It is an afterlife abode of those
> who are faithful to God, who have received the love of Jesus. Jesus and
> the thief both went there, conscious, and fully alive. We learn that
> Paradise is in heaven from the Apostle Paul:
>
> "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body,
> I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
> such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man,
> (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
> How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
> which it is not lawful for a man to utter." (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
>
> We learn some key points here:
>
> 1. Paul teaches that a man can be conscious in his body and "out of the
> body."
> 2. The senses of the invisible spiritual body of man are similar enough
> the the physical body that when overwhelmed in a vision of heaven a man
> can't tell if he is in the physical body or out of it.
> 3. Paul was caught up into paradise.
> 4. Paradise is in the third heaven.
> 5. A physical body can possibly visit heaven but not stay there.
> 6. Paul is trying to be modest by differentiating himself in the flesh
> from himself in a transfigured form experiencing visions from God. He
> also says God gave him persecution and struggle (a thorn, or a goad) to
> keep his head from getting too big from his experience, as Paul was
> quite a crusader personality.
>
> So when Jesus told the thief they would end up together in Paradise on
> that very day, this means the thief was going to heaven, a conscious
> being, and not at all unconscious in a state of "soul sleep." The
> thief was going to the Paradise that Paul later saw.
>
> Paul the Apostle gives another testimony stating that the souls of dead
> Saints are already in heaven:
>
> "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus
> Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named ..."
>
> This verse proves these key points:
>
> 1. The family of God is already ascended to heaven.
> 2. This family is named for Jesus, since they are his brethren.
>
> All men who repent and believe on Jesus Christ become sons of God and
> members of this, "family in heaven and earth":
>
> "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons
> of God, even to them that believe on his name ..." (John 1:12)
>
> In this verse we see the name of the family (Jesus) and who the sons
> are--those who repent and believe on Jesus. Because believers are sons
> of God, they will never die, just as Jesus promised:
>
> "He that liveth and believeth on me shall never die."
>
> There is no soul sleep for those who believe on Jesus Christ. The Old
> Testament calls this being, "gathered to my people." Of those of us who
> are saints, those washed and sanctified by the faith of Jesus, all our
> fellow believers are, "our people" or "the family in heaven and on
> earth." When we return our mortal remains to the dust our souls are
> "gathered to our people" in the Paradise of God.
>
> We have read three witnesses that categorically deny soul sleep: Jesus,
> Stephen, and Paul. All three witnesses give emphatic testimonies of
> immediate conscious existence after death. These testimonies of the
> Bible disprove the modern idea of soul sleep. Jesus and his disciples
> clearly believed and taught a conscious state of existence immediately
> after the flesh body "goes to sleep."
>
> We have read that those who believe on Jesus never die. They cannot
> die, for they have inherited eternal life by the grace of God through
> faith in Jesus Christ:
>
> "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
> through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
>
> We are warned about false teachings that contradict the promise of
> eternal life, such as soul sleep:
>
> "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
> These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you."
> (1 John 2:25-6)
>
> The soul sleeper cults are "seducing" men with their false doctrine.
>
> We have the promise of eternal life from the moment we trust Jesus:
>
> "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and
> this life is in his Son." (1 John 5:11)
>
> This eternal life is the hope of the gospel:
>
> "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before
> the world began ..." (Titus 1:2)
>
> Belief in the true gospel gives eternal life:
>
> "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the
> word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life
> believed." (Acts 13:48)
>
> Cults concoct cockamamie doctrines like "soul sleep" to set themselves
> apart, sow division, and appear "smarter" than others. They do this to
> draw attention so they can make converts and poach victims from other
> cults and churches. This way the cultists can heap up followers for
> themselves and get rich. They twist a few scripture verses to support
> their false doctrine because they don't divide the word with the
> Spirit. Soul sleep is a modern spook. Eternal life is real and it is in
> Jesus Christ.
>
> Victims of the false soul sleep doctrine need to repent from believing
> their teachers and learn the true gospel of Jesus Christ:
>
> "He that liveth and believeth on me shall never die."
>
> Those who trust in Jesus Christ instead of religion will truly never
> die. The moment their flesh body goes to sleep they will go to the
> Paradise of God in heaven to be with their people and await the final
> resurrection. They will be awake forevermore.
Everyone's death is the final same "day."
Rather than a standing ovation, it is the loving reception for all, and
all at the same time; God is not a respecter of persons. What Stephen
saw was prophetic and literal, and what all the saints will see at the
same moment, as we all leave this world at the same moment.
We go from "time" to "eternity," where no time exists. Time is death.
For instance, the day Paul died is different in time than the day I die,
but it is still the same moment. The day we die we all go into the
presence of God at the same moment where we all go from time to no-time.
God is greater than time.
You have to have revelation, but you could use the biblical account you
quoted below...
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
thou be with me in paradise.
Today. The "today" is the day of death for all, and a day is like a
thousands years and a thousand years as a day to God; that is to say, no
time. So all go into the eternal realm (for want of a better term)
after they die, but we all leave time behind, and enter into the always now.
I know, you'll probably find these things of God as "imaginative" or
"foolishness" or "mythical osmosis" or "witty wankerings," nevertheless.
Well, time will tell. "Time" will tell. Get it? :-). Hohoho, Merry
Christmas.
Michael Christ
--
God is God
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
"Man has no greater idol than his own will."
"Where is God hiding? He isn't."
"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."
"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."
"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."
"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."
"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."
"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.
"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."
"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"
"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"
"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"
"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."
"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."
"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."
"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."
"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."
"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."
"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."
"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."
"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"
"There is no such thing as random!"
"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."
"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."
> NightBulb Blog | https://blog.nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.
>
> Soul sleep is the novel idea, originating recently in history, that
> when a man dies his soul ceases to exist. The cults twist the meaning
> of a few verses of the Bible to support this novel idea. The Watchtower
> Society or Jehovah's Witnesses and some of the Seventh Day Adventist
> Churches are chief among the modern promoters of soul sleep. Some
> well-known youtube presenters also promote this false doctrine of soul
> sleep.
>
> In the ancient, Biblical world of the Near East and Mesopotamia the idea
> of soul sleep did not exist. Every culture in the region believed in an
> afterlife abode for disembodied souls of men. This abode was called
> Hades in Greek and Sheol in Hebrew. It is important to note that the
> concept of soul sleep did not exist in the ancient culture. Every
> culture believed in a conscious existence after the death of the body.
> Nothing like the idea of soul sleep was known to these ancient peoples.
>
> The Bible has copious passages referring to conscious life after death.
> There are many verses in both the Old Testament and the New Testament
> showing the people and the Prophets believed in a conscious spiritual
> existence after the death of the body.
>
> To examine all of these scriptures would require a very lengthy paper
> at least a few dozen pages in size. For brevity herein we will examine
> only a fraction of these passages from the New Testament. This small
> fraction of passages destroys the concept of soul sleep and proves the
> promoters of soul sleep are teaching contrary to the Bible.
>
> The book of Acts defines "falling asleep" as a man's spirit going to
> heaven to be with God the Father and Jesus Christ. We learn this
> definition in the book of Acts:
>
> "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into
> heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand
> of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son
> of man standing on the right hand of God. Then they cried out
> with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one
> accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the
> witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was
> Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord
> Jesus, receive my spirit. And he kneeled down, and cried with a
> loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had
> said this, he fell asleep." (Acts 7:55-60)
>
> From this passage of the book of Acts we learn several key facts:
>
> 1. As Stephen was about to die, God the Father and Jesus opened the view
> of heaven to Stephen so Stephen could see them. It is very clear that
> God and Jesus considered this man so dearly as he suffered death by
> stoning that they were preparing to personally receive Stephen into
> their realm.
>
> 2. Jesus was STANDING at the throne of the Father, indicating he is
> eager to receive Stephen upon Stephen laying down his body and
> ascending to heaven. This indicates that Jesus is going to personally
> greet Stephen at the very throne of God. This is a grand reception. It
> is virtually a standing ovation by the King of Kings for the faithful
> martyr, Stephen.
>
> 3. Stephen testifies, full of the Holy Ghost, that his spiritual soul
> is going to shortly ascend to meet the Lord Jesus Christ. He will be
> fully conscious and alive after his body dies, and he knows it because
> he sees Jesus watching him at the ready. Stephen clearly states he has a
> spirit that will be shortly separated from his body and that he will go
> to be with Jesus.
>
> 4. The last verse of this quoted selection defines "sleep" when applied
> to death. It is only the body that is falling "asleep". The application
> of "sleep" has nothing to do with the spiritual soul of the redeemed
> saint, who will be immediately taken into heaven, fully alive and
> conscious in a spiritual form of existence.
>
> This one story from Acts alone completely negates the "soul sleep"
> doctrine of the cults. It is important to note here that the Bible
> clearly defines "sleep" as the death of the body, and not the death of
> the conscious, spiritual element of man. "Sleep" is a metaphor for
> death describing the appearance of the physical body, and has nothing
> to do with the spiritual soul. When Stephen's body died, it is said
> that he, "fell asleep". This is only a reference to his body, not to
> his spirit. By the written testimony of the Holy Ghost, Jesus was ready
> to receive Stephen into heaven in Stephen's spiritual form.
>
> We also know that man has another body, or a spiritual body, or a
> spiritual soul, beside the physical one. It is of a form that is not
> visible to the normal human senses, but can be made visible by the
> power of the Holy Spirit, as in the transfiguration on the mount. This
> spiritual soul is mentioned several times in both the Old and New
> Testaments. In the transfiguration on the mount the Apostles were given
> the ability to see the spiritual soul of Jesus, which was very bright.
> Jesus is truly, "The light of the world" and in his spirit he
> shines like the sun.
>
> When the thief prayed to Jesus at the crucifixion, Jesus told the thief:
>
> "Today you will be with me in paradise."
>
> Paradise is in the heavenly realm. It is an afterlife abode of those
> who are faithful to God, who have received the love of Jesus. Jesus and
> the thief both went there, conscious, and fully alive. We learn that
> Paradise is in heaven from the Apostle Paul:
>
> "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body,
> I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
> such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man,
> (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
> How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
> which it is not lawful for a man to utter." (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
>
> We learn some key points here:
>
> 1. Paul teaches that a man can be conscious in his body and "out of the
> body."
> 2. The senses of the invisible spiritual body of man are similar enough
> the the physical body that when overwhelmed in a vision of heaven a man
> can't tell if he is in the physical body or out of it.
> 3. Paul was caught up into paradise.
> 4. Paradise is in the third heaven.
> 5. A physical body can possibly visit heaven but not stay there.
> 6. Paul is trying to be modest by differentiating himself in the flesh
> from himself in a transfigured form experiencing visions from God. He
> also says God gave him persecution and struggle (a thorn, or a goad) to
> keep his head from getting too big from his experience, as Paul was
> quite a crusader personality.
>
> So when Jesus told the thief they would end up together in Paradise on
> that very day, this means the thief was going to heaven, a conscious
> being, and not at all unconscious in a state of "soul sleep." The
> thief was going to the Paradise that Paul later saw.
>
> Paul the Apostle gives another testimony stating that the souls of dead
> Saints are already in heaven:
>
> "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus
> Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named ..."
>
> This verse proves these key points:
>
> 1. The family of God is already ascended to heaven.
> 2. This family is named for Jesus, since they are his brethren.
>
> All men who repent and believe on Jesus Christ become sons of God and
> members of this, "family in heaven and earth":
>
> "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons
> of God, even to them that believe on his name ..." (John 1:12)
>
> In this verse we see the name of the family (Jesus) and who the sons
> are--those who repent and believe on Jesus. Because believers are sons
> of God, they will never die, just as Jesus promised:
>
> "He that liveth and believeth on me shall never die."
>
> There is no soul sleep for those who believe on Jesus Christ. The Old
> Testament calls this being, "gathered to my people." Of those of us who
> are saints, those washed and sanctified by the faith of Jesus, all our
> fellow believers are, "our people" or "the family in heaven and on
> earth." When we return our mortal remains to the dust our souls are
> "gathered to our people" in the Paradise of God.
>
> We have read three witnesses that categorically deny soul sleep: Jesus,
> Stephen, and Paul. All three witnesses give emphatic testimonies of
> immediate conscious existence after death. These testimonies of the
> Bible disprove the modern idea of soul sleep. Jesus and his disciples
> clearly believed and taught a conscious state of existence immediately
> after the flesh body "goes to sleep."
>
> We have read that those who believe on Jesus never die. They cannot
> die, for they have inherited eternal life by the grace of God through
> faith in Jesus Christ:
>
> "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
> through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
>
> We are warned about false teachings that contradict the promise of
> eternal life, such as soul sleep:
>
> "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
> These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you."
> (1 John 2:25-6)
>
> The soul sleeper cults are "seducing" men with their false doctrine.
>
> We have the promise of eternal life from the moment we trust Jesus:
>
> "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and
> this life is in his Son." (1 John 5:11)
>
> This eternal life is the hope of the gospel:
>
> "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before
> the world began ..." (Titus 1:2)
>
> Belief in the true gospel gives eternal life:
>
> "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the
> word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life
> believed." (Acts 13:48)
>
> Cults concoct cockamamie doctrines like "soul sleep" to set themselves
> apart, sow division, and appear "smarter" than others. They do this to
> draw attention so they can make converts and poach victims from other
> cults and churches. This way the cultists can heap up followers for
> themselves and get rich. They twist a few scripture verses to support
> their false doctrine because they don't divide the word with the
> Spirit. Soul sleep is a modern spook. Eternal life is real and it is in
> Jesus Christ.
>
> Victims of the false soul sleep doctrine need to repent from believing
> their teachers and learn the true gospel of Jesus Christ:
>
> "He that liveth and believeth on me shall never die."
>
> Those who trust in Jesus Christ instead of religion will truly never
> die. The moment their flesh body goes to sleep they will go to the
> Paradise of God in heaven to be with their people and await the final
> resurrection. They will be awake forevermore.
Everyone's death is the final same "day."
Rather than a standing ovation, it is the loving reception for all, and
all at the same time; God is not a respecter of persons. What Stephen
saw was prophetic and literal, and what all the saints will see at the
same moment, as we all leave this world at the same moment.
We go from "time" to "eternity," where no time exists. Time is death.
For instance, the day Paul died is different in time than the day I die,
but it is still the same moment. The day we die we all go into the
presence of God at the same moment where we all go from time to no-time.
God is greater than time.
You have to have revelation, but you could use the biblical account you
quoted below...
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
thou be with me in paradise.
Today. The "today" is the day of death for all, and a day is like a
thousands years and a thousand years as a day to God; that is to say, no
time. So all go into the eternal realm (for want of a better term)
after they die, but we all leave time behind, and enter into the always now.
I know, you'll probably find these things of God as "imaginative" or
"foolishness" or "mythical osmosis" or "witty wankerings," nevertheless.
Well, time will tell. "Time" will tell. Get it? :-). Hohoho, Merry
Christmas.
Michael Christ
--
God is God
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
"Man has no greater idol than his own will."
"Where is God hiding? He isn't."
"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."
"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."
"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."
"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."
"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."
"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.
"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."
"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"
"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"
"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"
"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."
"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."
"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."
"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."
"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."
"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."
"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."
"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."
"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"
"There is no such thing as random!"
"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."
"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."
Skeeter
Feb 5, 2024, 9:54:33 AMFeb 5
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Robert
Feb 5, 2024, 12:37:33 PMFeb 5
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On Feb 5, 2024, Skeeter wrote
(in article<MPG.402aa4912...@usnews.blocknews.net>):
He cannot.
Based on the real NDE’s people who have visited Heaven would see people who
have died before them, never those who died after them, like their children,
gggranchildren, etc.
Same with those who went to Hell and back.
While I understand why Michael could envision such a possibility it was not a
revelation.
Biblically 1000 years as if one day to God as well as one day is as 1000
years. Which shows what God can do in the space of time.
The closest that man comes to that are experienced by many humans in a sudden
stressful situation where it seems as if time slows to a crawl and everything
is in slow motion as the adrenaline kicks in, which enables man to do
seemingly super human things as they can react faster than what it seems like
to them and make snap decisions that can save themselves or others. As far as
I know, these experiences stick clearly in your mind and you can review them
step by step. And we are just mankind, so one can imagine the capabilities of
God in whom man was made in the likeness thereof.
It is real unusual as it happens since seconds breaks down into microseconds
that one can deal with, this instantly time resumes as normal and the
experience is quite shocking and unexpected.
(in article<MPG.402aa4912...@usnews.blocknews.net>):
Based on the real NDE’s people who have visited Heaven would see people who
have died before them, never those who died after them, like their children,
gggranchildren, etc.
Same with those who went to Hell and back.
While I understand why Michael could envision such a possibility it was not a
revelation.
Biblically 1000 years as if one day to God as well as one day is as 1000
years. Which shows what God can do in the space of time.
The closest that man comes to that are experienced by many humans in a sudden
stressful situation where it seems as if time slows to a crawl and everything
is in slow motion as the adrenaline kicks in, which enables man to do
seemingly super human things as they can react faster than what it seems like
to them and make snap decisions that can save themselves or others. As far as
I know, these experiences stick clearly in your mind and you can review them
step by step. And we are just mankind, so one can imagine the capabilities of
God in whom man was made in the likeness thereof.
It is real unusual as it happens since seconds breaks down into microseconds
that one can deal with, this instantly time resumes as normal and the
experience is quite shocking and unexpected.
Michael Christ
Feb 5, 2024, 3:05:27 PMFeb 5
to
And as we all go into an eternal full consciousness of God.
Or, as I like to call in, when God turns the lights on.
Michael Christ
>>
>> Rather than a standing ovation, it is the loving reception for all, and
>> all at the same time; God is not a respecter of persons. What Stephen
>> saw was prophetic and literal, and what all the saints will see at the
>> same moment, as we all leave this world at the same moment.
>>
>> We go from "time" to "eternity," where no time exists. Time is death.
>> For instance, the day Paul died is different in time than the day I die,
>> but it is still the same moment. The day we die we all go into the
>> presence of God at the same moment where we all go from time to no-time.
>>
>> God is greater than time.
>>
>> You have to have revelation, but you could use the biblical account you
>> quoted below...
>>
>> Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
>> thou be with me in paradise.
>>
>> Today. The "today" is the day of death for all, and a day is like a
>> thousands years and a thousand years as a day to God; that is to say, no
>> time. So all go into the eternal realm (for want of a better term)
>> after they die, but we all leave time behind, and enter into the always now.
>>
>> I know, you'll probably find these things of God as "imaginative" or
>> "foolishness" or "mythical osmosis" or "witty wankerings," nevertheless.
>>
>> Well, time will tell. "Time" will tell. Get it? :-). Hohoho, Merry
>> Christmas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
Michael Christ
Feb 5, 2024, 4:50:52 PMFeb 5
to
(snip)
than time and his mind. :-). Sinner Christians have a lot of trouble
with that. God is not subservient to time; time is subservient to Him.
God is God, and He is omnipotent and omnipresent, always.
This is the closest you can get to understanding from the bible...
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
Wonderfully Spirited Saviour and God.
Today is for everyone.
As this day is...
Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely
die.
The Lord Jesus is saying above that within this present crucifixion day
of death (of the death of time) we are now in, we will enter into
paradise (an eternity where there is no time).
Time is death. The renting of the veil of the temple in twain also
represents the end of death - the end of severance from God, who is
life. Time is like a branch that has been broken off a tree, only to
pass away into dust. It seems like it is lasting to us, but compared to
eternity, it is nothing. Anyhow, our separation from God is no more
after that day.
We go from time to no-time in no time. :-). Once a person leaves time,
time is no more, there is no more death. I have been trying to think of
a good way to explain.
So far, this is all I have been given. Imagine if everyone on planet
Earth had to go live in the USA, where no one lives except for God. The
only condition is that everyone must enter the USA at the same moment.
Now people come from Canada, from Mexico, from Australia, and everywhere
else from the far reaches of the globe. They all took "time" to get
there, but all will enter, step over the border into the USA (eternity)
at the same moment, and so all will be present in the USA (be with God)
at the same moment.
In other words, those that will be judged will be judged "in the now"
before the judgement throne of God - at the same point we all enter into
timelessness together. Those already judged, and therefore married, will
simply go directly into their husband's arms.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Everyone's death is the final same "day."
>> Prove it
>>> Everyone's death is the final same "day."
>> Prove it
Robert Religion wrote:
> He cannot.
>
> Based on the real NDE’s people who have visited Heaven would see people who
> have died before them, never those who died after them, like their children,
> gggranchildren, etc.
>
> Same with those who went to Hell and back.
>
> While I understand why Michael could envision such a possibility it was not a
> revelation.
> Biblically 1000 years as if one day to God as well as one day is as 1000
> years. Which shows what God can do in the space of time.
What Robert Religion Waffler doesn't understand is that God is greater
> He cannot.
>
> Based on the real NDE’s people who have visited Heaven would see people who
> have died before them, never those who died after them, like their children,
> gggranchildren, etc.
>
> Same with those who went to Hell and back.
>
> While I understand why Michael could envision such a possibility it was not a
> revelation.
> Biblically 1000 years as if one day to God as well as one day is as 1000
> years. Which shows what God can do in the space of time.
than time and his mind. :-). Sinner Christians have a lot of trouble
with that. God is not subservient to time; time is subservient to Him.
God is God, and He is omnipotent and omnipresent, always.
This is the closest you can get to understanding from the bible...
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
thou be with me in paradise.
The Lord Jesus was saying to the man, "Let not your heart be troubled."
Wonderfully Spirited Saviour and God.
Today is for everyone.
As this day is...
Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely
die.
The Lord Jesus is saying above that within this present crucifixion day
of death (of the death of time) we are now in, we will enter into
paradise (an eternity where there is no time).
Time is death. The renting of the veil of the temple in twain also
represents the end of death - the end of severance from God, who is
life. Time is like a branch that has been broken off a tree, only to
pass away into dust. It seems like it is lasting to us, but compared to
eternity, it is nothing. Anyhow, our separation from God is no more
after that day.
We go from time to no-time in no time. :-). Once a person leaves time,
time is no more, there is no more death. I have been trying to think of
a good way to explain.
So far, this is all I have been given. Imagine if everyone on planet
Earth had to go live in the USA, where no one lives except for God. The
only condition is that everyone must enter the USA at the same moment.
Now people come from Canada, from Mexico, from Australia, and everywhere
else from the far reaches of the globe. They all took "time" to get
there, but all will enter, step over the border into the USA (eternity)
at the same moment, and so all will be present in the USA (be with God)
at the same moment.
In other words, those that will be judged will be judged "in the now"
before the judgement throne of God - at the same point we all enter into
timelessness together. Those already judged, and therefore married, will
simply go directly into their husband's arms.
Michael Christ
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