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Michael Christ
Dec 8, 2021, 6:49:02 PM12/8/21
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I am asking you nicely and warning you, do not wipe your ass on this.
I don't personally have anything against Duane, it is just a matter of
truth. It's just business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5x-SyOEsAM&t=1274s
There will be a few seconds on either side of my comments, and possibly
grammar stuff. But Duane's words are in "...........". I suggest you do
as I did for you, listen to the minutes contemporaneously, and rather
than judge what I am saying, as is your propensity, just receive (that
means understand) what is being said.
1:34 Jesus forgave all sin - no reason to articulate, past, present,
and future. He forgave all sin for everybody or he didn't. This is
important because it points to something much more important, like life
and death.
1:48 "We gotta deal with that if you want to stay married". The
problem here is "We gotta deal". If you could "deal" with your sin in
your sinful state, you wouldn't need a Saviour!! No, the Lord "deals"
with it. This is why they fail to live a transformed life; they strive
to do it themselves.
3:00 Every son of God HAS realised how blessed he is.
3:30 God HAS written His laws on the hearts of those who are His. They
are transformed. A son of God HAS been changed within.
3:50 "I will be their God and they will be my people." A son of God is
not a "will be". He is his God and he is His people. No "going to be"
stuff. IS!
4:40 A son of God does not teach another son of God about their
Father, they both know Him.
6:00 All those that know Him have a personal relationship with Him.
Sons of God "do." That's it.
6:50 "When I mess up?" Look at how Duane subtly and how quickly he
downplays the magnitude of the violation against God. Call it what it
is: when I sin and turn away from Him for the sake of the world!!!
The little foxes destroy the vineyard.
7:00 "When I fail and fall". What's that?? Sin?? Yeah. Sin against Him.
7:57 "The mistakes sin creates in our lives". Sin doesn't create
anything. Sin doesn't do it, you do it, you and what you are.
Sin is not what you do, it is what you are.
8:00-9:00 What Duane does not understand is that God has forgiven all
sin, so what remains? He keeps harping on about sin. What remains if
the Lord Jesus died for all the sins of the whole world?? Whether you
choose Him, want Him, or not. And for that to be a reality, it is all
and nothing less.
All or nothing. That doesn't include little 'mistake' excursions.
"Gradations of sin concepts".
9:05 What is on the forefront of God's mind is not the dripping blood of
Jesus spilled all over the place. Far from it. The forefront of God's
mind is, will you choose to love me. A humble God.
Sure, He knows what will happen, but it is His Heart that is being
spoken about here. It is yet another example of allowing it to be so
for the time being (for Him), because he is a God who fulfills all
righteousness even though he does not have to because he is righteousness.
It is in the same fashion as asking John the Baptist to baptist Him.
9:50 God does not chasten His son over sin. A son of God, a real one,
has already been chastened, or he would not be a son. A son has been
corrected, reproved, instructed in righteousness, and raised up a new
creature in his righteousness.
10:25 "God is empowering us and helping us overcome sin". No, apart
from not knowing the fact that a son of God is already an overcome, more
than a conqueror, he is saying we have a say in overcoming sin. There
is much I can write here, but we have to move on.
Duane is giving the impression that we have a certain amount of power to
achieve that. No, we have none. In your personal life, you do what the
Lord tells you to do, and He delivers you and crucifies your old nature
in ways you don't understand. All the glory is His.
10:55 Of course, God is for you! There is no question about that. He
died on the cross, for goodness sake! He is waffling and wanting to set
up his next point. Is he even a believer? Of course, everyone is
forgiven because the Lord died for the sins of the whole world. I
didn't catch the timeline, but I think he is saying that he realized all
this basic stuff after he was supposed to be born again!!! It's laughable.
12:39 Sin against God and one another - that is of the world, not in
true Christianity, not God's Christianity. As has been mentioned many
times, he doesn't ask the next question, 'Are we really the Church of
God'? And if he truly did ask that question, his house of cards would
crumble, along with his life as a Pastor.
But it is his choice.
It reminds me of this youngish doctor. I once asked if he could go back
in time, would he be a doctor again? He said, no. I said, well why
don't you change and do something else? He said, 'I've come too far to
go back now'.
That is one reason why it is wise for a man to seek the Lord while he is
yet young.
13:15 THERE ARE NO EXTRA MARTIAL AFFAIRS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. A son
of God does not betray His Lord. It is unbelievable that you can't see
this guy. In all fairness, he can't see himself either.
13:35 Sin is not "stupid", it is a filthy, vile rejection of God, of
Jesus as Lord.
14:38-15:12 Because God does not compromise! Because God does not
compromise with sin, any sin! There are no gradations of sin concepts.
And sin is not a "concept", it is the rejection of God!!
15:15 And by the way, the Word says what the Word says. There are no
additional sinners' human morals required. Not those of Uriah,
Bathsheba, or Duane!
"'Against You and You Only Have I Sinned"'.
1704 "See some sins we commit, and we know we've sinned...and we need to
learn to deal with that". You are not your own Saviour. You don't deal
with anything!!!
It has been explained.
1730 The Lord Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, sin is not
the problem. Whether you want Him or not is!!!
A break here: I am merely skimming the surface of what can be said, but
if I don't let some things go, I am going to be here till next
Christmas. And for all intents and purposes, based on your history, you
are likely going to just wipe your ass on what I say anyway.
19:10 Psalms 103 "You need to remember". What? That Jesus is the Lord
and you should appreciate, honour Him?? He goes on to emphasise 19:40
"forgives all your iniquities". Of course He does. He died on the cross
and forgave the whole world of sin.
What is the point again? I am not interested in sin, I want to know
whether you will love Me with all your heart, soul, and mind.
20:10 "One of the things that keeps you energetic and serving God with
passion is knowing how forgiven you are". I would not say that, but
there is a degree of joy in knowing what God has done for you, but it is
not what gives a son of God energy and passion for his Father.
Knowing Him gives me energy and passion; it's about who He is. That is
central to everything. If that is not totally preeminent, then heavenly
places in Christ Jesus is not about "Thou art worthy"! That person has
another address.
21:00 When is Duane ever going to believe?? He does not mark
iniquities; He is only concerned with whether you want Him, and the
question is whether a man is willing to give up everything to be with Him.
21:38 God is not interested in sin, He dealt with it on the cross. He
is only interested in whether or not a person wants Him, desires Him
with all their heart, needs his presence, is prepared to go sell all he
has and follow Him into a marriage. He keeps going on and on and on
about sin. God's not interested, and he's already dealt with it!!! It
is all a question of, 'Do you want to marry Me?'
No, there are no gradations of sin concepts!!!
22:45 Sin is sin!!! No man can stand under any sin. The problem is,
he and they are worried about sin because they know they have not given
the Lord all their heart, soul, and mind. They are trying to get around
that guilt with theology.
23:00 There is NO DIFFERENCE between stealing your pencil and killing
you. SIN IS SIN. He needs to get that into his brain! Heart, more
precisely, because sin is a heart issue!!! Go back to 21:15 Duane
said, "There are no little or big sins". That is right. Sin is sin.
God is holy. He is contradicting the truth when he says, "There IS a
difference between stealing your pencil and killing you". No, there is
not. Sin is sin.
23:20 Vertical is all there is. How you treat God is what determines
your whole life, including how you treat your neighbour.
The vertical or horizontal thing Duane has got going on is nonsense.
What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man is
made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you.
23:30 Now he goes on to religious horizontal thinking, man to man, and
that is not reality! Man is not judge. Understand that. A sinner is
not the judge of right and wrong. Duane is weighing the thoughts and
intents of the human heart according to his own human moral weighing
machine - like you do with me.
The overarching fact here is that with God, all things are possible, but
with man, nothing is possible.
24:50 Hand up. No, I don't doubt my Father. I know He will never leave
me or forsake me. Partly due to what we all know next...
Notice, Jesus never doubted His Father. Your translation says, My God,
my God, why have you forsaken me?? He is not questioning the presence
of the Father, but why (You being there), have you done this to me??
However, as you know, my Holy Spirit translation of that text is, "Of
Me, of Me, is my suffering; Jesus is the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
25:00 "James said, He who knows to do good and doesn't do it, for him
it is sin". And who decision is that? Yours? :-) Duane's? He is
assuming all are still sinners. A son of God (not THE) was a sinner,
but not now.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Duane is assuming that everyone is like him...and, more concerning,
sending the message to the congregation that this is all they will ever
be. Who will receive the greater condemnation for that bill of goods?
Even though he is probably correct in that it is very unlikely that any
will come out of his ministry.
25:10 "I've got us all, everybody is guilty." No, not me. You, him,
but not me. Not a new creature, not a son of God.
25:20 God did make a new covenant with man. He died on the cross for
the sins of the whole world. Duane needs to believe that, forget about
sin, and get on with finding out God's will in his life and doing it.
Why? So that the Lord can crucify that old nature in him and turn him
into the son He wants, not the son religion wants.
What kind of son is that? The true son is the one who loves him with all
of their heart, soul, and mind.
It is not difficult.
25:40 A son of God is fixed! God is not interested in sin (He dealt
with it on the cross), He is only interested in your willingness to love
me with all your heart, soul, and mind. He does not sit up there looking
for sin; He is up there looking for people who will give their lives to Him.
He doesn't change.
God has always scoured the entire earth for a heart to rise up from
among the multitudes towards Him.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him.
If the rich young ruler had chosen that, he would not have gone away
sorrowful.
25:42 "Get back up, come to me, let's get it fixed" :-). It sounds
impressive, but a son of God doesn't leave and is fixed.
26:00 "My love for God, my respect for God, my loyalty to God, comes
out of this revelation, of His love for me." No, it doesn't. Subtle,
very subtle. A son of God's love, respect, his loyalty for God comes
out of who God is. Like Mary and her perfume at the feet of
Jesus...worship for who He is. A son of God loves His Father because of
who He is, the Person He is. All the glory is HIS. He is worthy alone.
"Me" doesn't come into that realm!
Interestingly, the Lord just reminded me of Moses, not saying to the
rock as he was instructed, but hitting it. In his heart, Moses was not
treating God with the worthiness he deserved, and he was not
demonstrating God's worthiness to the people.
Who He is, and nothing else.
26:10 "You can only love God to the measure and degree you know how
much He's loved you." That is just wrong. Duane is making a 'sounds
like he is saying something' statement. This is also very subtle, more
subtle than the above and so much harder to get across. Love has no
measure, nor degree. Love is love, or it is not love at all.
You will either receive that or not.
Like I said, I don't have a personal bent toward the man, other than
that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is primarily about the truth.
In other words, who he is is not what drives me.
In the 26 min, it is so wrong, I am not even going to go there. We have
to get to the end of this venture. I will say this, though: man has
obtained mercy!
27:45 How can you love God and walk away totally??? That ain't love.
29:25 Abraham did what he did because he recognised God for WHOM HE IS!
Can you get that?
He goes on in the next few minutes in the same old thing. Sin, sin,
sin. It is not about sin, you know why. It is about whether or not you
give your life to God!
31:40 Does he understand "Takes away the sins of the world"? If God
'takes away the sins of the world', what remains? Yeah. It is entirely
up to you whether you will devote your entire life to Him.
All or nothing.
How many times does it need to be said?
32:30 Again, over and over again, does he believe and dwell with a
people who believe?? Sins are covered, sins have been paid for. What
remains?? You should know by now!!
It is not about sin!!! It is about whether or not you give your life to
Him. All or nothing.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away
sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Duane then goes on and becomes convoluted, repetitious, and random in
his religious discourse. Repentance is repenting of not loving God with
all your heart, soul, and mind.
37:00 A person who loves God with all of their heart, soul, and mind is
not required to repent! Why is that? They repented and are raised up
(resurrected) new creatures in Him.
39:45 And God is never about "with your help" or 'a being there to help
you with your decisions, buddy,' but about being all in with Me and My
will, or running your own life.
40:10 Again, he goes on to quote 1 John 1:5-6, but he doesn't see it.
It means, if you walk in ANY darkness, you are deceiving yourself, and
are not in the truth. There is no revolving door in Christ Jesus.
What exactly is that darkness???????
It is to not love God with all your heart, soul, and mind!!!!!
40:55 There is NO DIFFERENCE between failing, falling, and tripping in
sin and walking in sin! It is all falling short, no matter how you want
to paint it! Falling short of what? Of not loving Him with all your
heart, soul, and mind, not having GIVEN your life to Him.
Surely you see that.
The rich young ruler did not walk away and follow, did he?? It is
either one thing or the other.
41:20 There is no difference between doing a sin and practicing a sin,
it is the same thing. Sinning against God. Sin that has been paid for
on the cross, yes, but like the Lord has kept saying here and now...IT
IS NOT ABOUT SIN. You know by now what it is really all about!!!
43:00 If a man loves God with all his heart, soul, and mind, then
everything will fall into place. Nothing will be out of place. Keep
your focus off me...YOU DO NOT KNOW ME...you don't know me from a bar of
soap.
The rest of 1 John is for those who are still in their sinful state, not
for the sons of God who have been through it all (died to that old sin
self nature) and are new creatures. Sinful state as in NOT loving God
with all their heart, soul, and mind. That is the new unforgivable sin.
It doesn't take much to realise that in light of the suffering the Lord
Jesus went through on the cross to redeem mankind, rather, to give man
the hope of salvation. And to throw that in God's face is an utter
abomination!!! There will be no forgiveness for that!!!
The problem with Duane et., al, is that he is trying to learn
righteousness, and that can never happen. You must lose your life, and
that can only happen through knowing God's will in your daily life and
doing it. That will not come about without earnest, resolute, and
desperate prayer to the Lord to change you. It has to be raw and real;
any pretence won't cut it.
Don't think theology about what is next, search for the heart of God.
1 John 2:1 What then is sin?? Not loving God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. That is why John says (listen), "that ye sin not", or in
Duane's translation, "so that you may not sin", future tense.
Meaning, you are free of sin now because the Lord Jesus died for the
sins of the whole world, so that you may go on to love God. But if you
do not do that, then you will go on to commit the unforgivable sin. You
see, that you may not go on to do that - God's heart, He doesn't desire
any to perish.
You should be buoyed by the fact that you are not condemned as it stands
right now, because you have an advocate, the wonderful Lord Jesus
Christ. However, you could go on to sin and die not loving God with all
your heart, soul, and mind. And that now is the ONLY thing that can
condemn a man!
You know why!
48:18 "And when we do a piece of stupid" is nonsense. Not loving God is
not merely a piece of stupidity; it is a deliberate act of turning your
back on God!
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours
only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
So sin is paid for! What remains?? We have been talking about it all
along. That you may not go on to commit the unforgivable sin of not
loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
God never forsakes anyone, men forsake Him.
52:15 No man can forgive another man in his...listen...state of NOT
loving God with all his heart, soul, and mind. That man is incapable of
forgiving according to God's standard, the only standard. Or, the only
way to forgive your neighbour is to love God with all you are.
Remember this from earlier...'What you do wrong to your neighbour you do
wrong to God, because man is made in His image, and what you do wrong to
God, you do wrong to your neighbour, because the fruit of your ways is
rotten to those around you.'
And for true forgiveness to occur, you need to follow the Saviour by
doing what He tells you to do in our daily life to get to your
crucifixion. Only He knows how and in what way that can happen.
I guess it is all down to trusting in Him then, isn't it?! :-). And
not yourself. What a surprise. :-).
Duane needs to take his hands off the steering wheel, but having driven
that bible all these years...well...I am not going to judge the man.
That does not mean he is not subject to the truth of what and where he
is, though.
It breaks my heart to see so many trying to raise themselves up by their
shoelaces. There are no "gradations of sin concepts" in God. It is all
or nothing.
56:15 "But I wanna be right, I want to make things right". I know he is
making the prayer for others, but it is the call from his own heart too.
Everyone has that desire, even atheists. But it is one thing to want
to be made right, and another thing entirely to be wrong, completely
wrong, and get out of the way of God by faith.
Nevertheless, that is the narrow path, and that is what it would have
been if the rich young ruler had sold all he had and followed the Lord.
Forsaking everything, even more than his worldly riches, is what it
takes. Not my will, but thy will in all things.
Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young
[needing indoctrination, reproving, correcting, instruction in
righteousness], thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou
wouldest [according to your own will]: but when thou shalt be old
[meaning, come to put away childish things], thou shalt stretch forth
thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou
wouldest not [AS a little child].
The Lord will guide thee, down a path with a lamp unto your feet and a
light unto your path.
Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
...it wasn't being crucified upside down (Peter), it is to lose your
life, your will, your ways, your all. That is how you glorify God.
Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".
"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".
"Compromise will condemn you".
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life".
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything".
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
I don't personally have anything against Duane, it is just a matter of
truth. It's just business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5x-SyOEsAM&t=1274s
There will be a few seconds on either side of my comments, and possibly
grammar stuff. But Duane's words are in "...........". I suggest you do
as I did for you, listen to the minutes contemporaneously, and rather
than judge what I am saying, as is your propensity, just receive (that
means understand) what is being said.
1:34 Jesus forgave all sin - no reason to articulate, past, present,
and future. He forgave all sin for everybody or he didn't. This is
important because it points to something much more important, like life
and death.
1:48 "We gotta deal with that if you want to stay married". The
problem here is "We gotta deal". If you could "deal" with your sin in
your sinful state, you wouldn't need a Saviour!! No, the Lord "deals"
with it. This is why they fail to live a transformed life; they strive
to do it themselves.
3:00 Every son of God HAS realised how blessed he is.
3:30 God HAS written His laws on the hearts of those who are His. They
are transformed. A son of God HAS been changed within.
3:50 "I will be their God and they will be my people." A son of God is
not a "will be". He is his God and he is His people. No "going to be"
stuff. IS!
4:40 A son of God does not teach another son of God about their
Father, they both know Him.
6:00 All those that know Him have a personal relationship with Him.
Sons of God "do." That's it.
6:50 "When I mess up?" Look at how Duane subtly and how quickly he
downplays the magnitude of the violation against God. Call it what it
is: when I sin and turn away from Him for the sake of the world!!!
The little foxes destroy the vineyard.
7:00 "When I fail and fall". What's that?? Sin?? Yeah. Sin against Him.
7:57 "The mistakes sin creates in our lives". Sin doesn't create
anything. Sin doesn't do it, you do it, you and what you are.
Sin is not what you do, it is what you are.
8:00-9:00 What Duane does not understand is that God has forgiven all
sin, so what remains? He keeps harping on about sin. What remains if
the Lord Jesus died for all the sins of the whole world?? Whether you
choose Him, want Him, or not. And for that to be a reality, it is all
and nothing less.
All or nothing. That doesn't include little 'mistake' excursions.
"Gradations of sin concepts".
9:05 What is on the forefront of God's mind is not the dripping blood of
Jesus spilled all over the place. Far from it. The forefront of God's
mind is, will you choose to love me. A humble God.
Sure, He knows what will happen, but it is His Heart that is being
spoken about here. It is yet another example of allowing it to be so
for the time being (for Him), because he is a God who fulfills all
righteousness even though he does not have to because he is righteousness.
It is in the same fashion as asking John the Baptist to baptist Him.
9:50 God does not chasten His son over sin. A son of God, a real one,
has already been chastened, or he would not be a son. A son has been
corrected, reproved, instructed in righteousness, and raised up a new
creature in his righteousness.
10:25 "God is empowering us and helping us overcome sin". No, apart
from not knowing the fact that a son of God is already an overcome, more
than a conqueror, he is saying we have a say in overcoming sin. There
is much I can write here, but we have to move on.
Duane is giving the impression that we have a certain amount of power to
achieve that. No, we have none. In your personal life, you do what the
Lord tells you to do, and He delivers you and crucifies your old nature
in ways you don't understand. All the glory is His.
10:55 Of course, God is for you! There is no question about that. He
died on the cross, for goodness sake! He is waffling and wanting to set
up his next point. Is he even a believer? Of course, everyone is
forgiven because the Lord died for the sins of the whole world. I
didn't catch the timeline, but I think he is saying that he realized all
this basic stuff after he was supposed to be born again!!! It's laughable.
12:39 Sin against God and one another - that is of the world, not in
true Christianity, not God's Christianity. As has been mentioned many
times, he doesn't ask the next question, 'Are we really the Church of
God'? And if he truly did ask that question, his house of cards would
crumble, along with his life as a Pastor.
But it is his choice.
It reminds me of this youngish doctor. I once asked if he could go back
in time, would he be a doctor again? He said, no. I said, well why
don't you change and do something else? He said, 'I've come too far to
go back now'.
That is one reason why it is wise for a man to seek the Lord while he is
yet young.
13:15 THERE ARE NO EXTRA MARTIAL AFFAIRS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. A son
of God does not betray His Lord. It is unbelievable that you can't see
this guy. In all fairness, he can't see himself either.
13:35 Sin is not "stupid", it is a filthy, vile rejection of God, of
Jesus as Lord.
14:38-15:12 Because God does not compromise! Because God does not
compromise with sin, any sin! There are no gradations of sin concepts.
And sin is not a "concept", it is the rejection of God!!
15:15 And by the way, the Word says what the Word says. There are no
additional sinners' human morals required. Not those of Uriah,
Bathsheba, or Duane!
"'Against You and You Only Have I Sinned"'.
1704 "See some sins we commit, and we know we've sinned...and we need to
learn to deal with that". You are not your own Saviour. You don't deal
with anything!!!
It has been explained.
1730 The Lord Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, sin is not
the problem. Whether you want Him or not is!!!
A break here: I am merely skimming the surface of what can be said, but
if I don't let some things go, I am going to be here till next
Christmas. And for all intents and purposes, based on your history, you
are likely going to just wipe your ass on what I say anyway.
19:10 Psalms 103 "You need to remember". What? That Jesus is the Lord
and you should appreciate, honour Him?? He goes on to emphasise 19:40
"forgives all your iniquities". Of course He does. He died on the cross
and forgave the whole world of sin.
What is the point again? I am not interested in sin, I want to know
whether you will love Me with all your heart, soul, and mind.
20:10 "One of the things that keeps you energetic and serving God with
passion is knowing how forgiven you are". I would not say that, but
there is a degree of joy in knowing what God has done for you, but it is
not what gives a son of God energy and passion for his Father.
Knowing Him gives me energy and passion; it's about who He is. That is
central to everything. If that is not totally preeminent, then heavenly
places in Christ Jesus is not about "Thou art worthy"! That person has
another address.
21:00 When is Duane ever going to believe?? He does not mark
iniquities; He is only concerned with whether you want Him, and the
question is whether a man is willing to give up everything to be with Him.
21:38 God is not interested in sin, He dealt with it on the cross. He
is only interested in whether or not a person wants Him, desires Him
with all their heart, needs his presence, is prepared to go sell all he
has and follow Him into a marriage. He keeps going on and on and on
about sin. God's not interested, and he's already dealt with it!!! It
is all a question of, 'Do you want to marry Me?'
No, there are no gradations of sin concepts!!!
22:45 Sin is sin!!! No man can stand under any sin. The problem is,
he and they are worried about sin because they know they have not given
the Lord all their heart, soul, and mind. They are trying to get around
that guilt with theology.
23:00 There is NO DIFFERENCE between stealing your pencil and killing
you. SIN IS SIN. He needs to get that into his brain! Heart, more
precisely, because sin is a heart issue!!! Go back to 21:15 Duane
said, "There are no little or big sins". That is right. Sin is sin.
God is holy. He is contradicting the truth when he says, "There IS a
difference between stealing your pencil and killing you". No, there is
not. Sin is sin.
23:20 Vertical is all there is. How you treat God is what determines
your whole life, including how you treat your neighbour.
The vertical or horizontal thing Duane has got going on is nonsense.
What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man is
made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you.
23:30 Now he goes on to religious horizontal thinking, man to man, and
that is not reality! Man is not judge. Understand that. A sinner is
not the judge of right and wrong. Duane is weighing the thoughts and
intents of the human heart according to his own human moral weighing
machine - like you do with me.
The overarching fact here is that with God, all things are possible, but
with man, nothing is possible.
24:50 Hand up. No, I don't doubt my Father. I know He will never leave
me or forsake me. Partly due to what we all know next...
Notice, Jesus never doubted His Father. Your translation says, My God,
my God, why have you forsaken me?? He is not questioning the presence
of the Father, but why (You being there), have you done this to me??
However, as you know, my Holy Spirit translation of that text is, "Of
Me, of Me, is my suffering; Jesus is the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
25:00 "James said, He who knows to do good and doesn't do it, for him
it is sin". And who decision is that? Yours? :-) Duane's? He is
assuming all are still sinners. A son of God (not THE) was a sinner,
but not now.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Duane is assuming that everyone is like him...and, more concerning,
sending the message to the congregation that this is all they will ever
be. Who will receive the greater condemnation for that bill of goods?
Even though he is probably correct in that it is very unlikely that any
will come out of his ministry.
25:10 "I've got us all, everybody is guilty." No, not me. You, him,
but not me. Not a new creature, not a son of God.
25:20 God did make a new covenant with man. He died on the cross for
the sins of the whole world. Duane needs to believe that, forget about
sin, and get on with finding out God's will in his life and doing it.
Why? So that the Lord can crucify that old nature in him and turn him
into the son He wants, not the son religion wants.
What kind of son is that? The true son is the one who loves him with all
of their heart, soul, and mind.
It is not difficult.
25:40 A son of God is fixed! God is not interested in sin (He dealt
with it on the cross), He is only interested in your willingness to love
me with all your heart, soul, and mind. He does not sit up there looking
for sin; He is up there looking for people who will give their lives to Him.
He doesn't change.
God has always scoured the entire earth for a heart to rise up from
among the multitudes towards Him.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him.
If the rich young ruler had chosen that, he would not have gone away
sorrowful.
25:42 "Get back up, come to me, let's get it fixed" :-). It sounds
impressive, but a son of God doesn't leave and is fixed.
26:00 "My love for God, my respect for God, my loyalty to God, comes
out of this revelation, of His love for me." No, it doesn't. Subtle,
very subtle. A son of God's love, respect, his loyalty for God comes
out of who God is. Like Mary and her perfume at the feet of
Jesus...worship for who He is. A son of God loves His Father because of
who He is, the Person He is. All the glory is HIS. He is worthy alone.
"Me" doesn't come into that realm!
Interestingly, the Lord just reminded me of Moses, not saying to the
rock as he was instructed, but hitting it. In his heart, Moses was not
treating God with the worthiness he deserved, and he was not
demonstrating God's worthiness to the people.
Who He is, and nothing else.
26:10 "You can only love God to the measure and degree you know how
much He's loved you." That is just wrong. Duane is making a 'sounds
like he is saying something' statement. This is also very subtle, more
subtle than the above and so much harder to get across. Love has no
measure, nor degree. Love is love, or it is not love at all.
You will either receive that or not.
Like I said, I don't have a personal bent toward the man, other than
that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is primarily about the truth.
In other words, who he is is not what drives me.
In the 26 min, it is so wrong, I am not even going to go there. We have
to get to the end of this venture. I will say this, though: man has
obtained mercy!
27:45 How can you love God and walk away totally??? That ain't love.
29:25 Abraham did what he did because he recognised God for WHOM HE IS!
Can you get that?
He goes on in the next few minutes in the same old thing. Sin, sin,
sin. It is not about sin, you know why. It is about whether or not you
give your life to God!
31:40 Does he understand "Takes away the sins of the world"? If God
'takes away the sins of the world', what remains? Yeah. It is entirely
up to you whether you will devote your entire life to Him.
All or nothing.
How many times does it need to be said?
32:30 Again, over and over again, does he believe and dwell with a
people who believe?? Sins are covered, sins have been paid for. What
remains?? You should know by now!!
It is not about sin!!! It is about whether or not you give your life to
Him. All or nothing.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away
sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Duane then goes on and becomes convoluted, repetitious, and random in
his religious discourse. Repentance is repenting of not loving God with
all your heart, soul, and mind.
37:00 A person who loves God with all of their heart, soul, and mind is
not required to repent! Why is that? They repented and are raised up
(resurrected) new creatures in Him.
39:45 And God is never about "with your help" or 'a being there to help
you with your decisions, buddy,' but about being all in with Me and My
will, or running your own life.
40:10 Again, he goes on to quote 1 John 1:5-6, but he doesn't see it.
It means, if you walk in ANY darkness, you are deceiving yourself, and
are not in the truth. There is no revolving door in Christ Jesus.
What exactly is that darkness???????
It is to not love God with all your heart, soul, and mind!!!!!
40:55 There is NO DIFFERENCE between failing, falling, and tripping in
sin and walking in sin! It is all falling short, no matter how you want
to paint it! Falling short of what? Of not loving Him with all your
heart, soul, and mind, not having GIVEN your life to Him.
Surely you see that.
The rich young ruler did not walk away and follow, did he?? It is
either one thing or the other.
41:20 There is no difference between doing a sin and practicing a sin,
it is the same thing. Sinning against God. Sin that has been paid for
on the cross, yes, but like the Lord has kept saying here and now...IT
IS NOT ABOUT SIN. You know by now what it is really all about!!!
43:00 If a man loves God with all his heart, soul, and mind, then
everything will fall into place. Nothing will be out of place. Keep
your focus off me...YOU DO NOT KNOW ME...you don't know me from a bar of
soap.
The rest of 1 John is for those who are still in their sinful state, not
for the sons of God who have been through it all (died to that old sin
self nature) and are new creatures. Sinful state as in NOT loving God
with all their heart, soul, and mind. That is the new unforgivable sin.
It doesn't take much to realise that in light of the suffering the Lord
Jesus went through on the cross to redeem mankind, rather, to give man
the hope of salvation. And to throw that in God's face is an utter
abomination!!! There will be no forgiveness for that!!!
The problem with Duane et., al, is that he is trying to learn
righteousness, and that can never happen. You must lose your life, and
that can only happen through knowing God's will in your daily life and
doing it. That will not come about without earnest, resolute, and
desperate prayer to the Lord to change you. It has to be raw and real;
any pretence won't cut it.
Don't think theology about what is next, search for the heart of God.
1 John 2:1 What then is sin?? Not loving God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. That is why John says (listen), "that ye sin not", or in
Duane's translation, "so that you may not sin", future tense.
Meaning, you are free of sin now because the Lord Jesus died for the
sins of the whole world, so that you may go on to love God. But if you
do not do that, then you will go on to commit the unforgivable sin. You
see, that you may not go on to do that - God's heart, He doesn't desire
any to perish.
You should be buoyed by the fact that you are not condemned as it stands
right now, because you have an advocate, the wonderful Lord Jesus
Christ. However, you could go on to sin and die not loving God with all
your heart, soul, and mind. And that now is the ONLY thing that can
condemn a man!
You know why!
48:18 "And when we do a piece of stupid" is nonsense. Not loving God is
not merely a piece of stupidity; it is a deliberate act of turning your
back on God!
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours
only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
So sin is paid for! What remains?? We have been talking about it all
along. That you may not go on to commit the unforgivable sin of not
loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
God never forsakes anyone, men forsake Him.
52:15 No man can forgive another man in his...listen...state of NOT
loving God with all his heart, soul, and mind. That man is incapable of
forgiving according to God's standard, the only standard. Or, the only
way to forgive your neighbour is to love God with all you are.
Remember this from earlier...'What you do wrong to your neighbour you do
wrong to God, because man is made in His image, and what you do wrong to
God, you do wrong to your neighbour, because the fruit of your ways is
rotten to those around you.'
And for true forgiveness to occur, you need to follow the Saviour by
doing what He tells you to do in our daily life to get to your
crucifixion. Only He knows how and in what way that can happen.
I guess it is all down to trusting in Him then, isn't it?! :-). And
not yourself. What a surprise. :-).
Duane needs to take his hands off the steering wheel, but having driven
that bible all these years...well...I am not going to judge the man.
That does not mean he is not subject to the truth of what and where he
is, though.
It breaks my heart to see so many trying to raise themselves up by their
shoelaces. There are no "gradations of sin concepts" in God. It is all
or nothing.
56:15 "But I wanna be right, I want to make things right". I know he is
making the prayer for others, but it is the call from his own heart too.
Everyone has that desire, even atheists. But it is one thing to want
to be made right, and another thing entirely to be wrong, completely
wrong, and get out of the way of God by faith.
Nevertheless, that is the narrow path, and that is what it would have
been if the rich young ruler had sold all he had and followed the Lord.
Forsaking everything, even more than his worldly riches, is what it
takes. Not my will, but thy will in all things.
Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young
[needing indoctrination, reproving, correcting, instruction in
righteousness], thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou
wouldest [according to your own will]: but when thou shalt be old
[meaning, come to put away childish things], thou shalt stretch forth
thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou
wouldest not [AS a little child].
The Lord will guide thee, down a path with a lamp unto your feet and a
light unto your path.
Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
...it wasn't being crucified upside down (Peter), it is to lose your
life, your will, your ways, your all. That is how you glorify God.
Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".
"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".
"Compromise will condemn you".
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life".
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything".
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
Michael Christ
Dec 10, 2021, 6:29:59 PM12/10/21
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On 10/12/2021 8:55 pm, Robert wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sorg9c$pbk$1...@dont-email.me>):
> to it to the very end of your post.
> understand it, nor can they grasp the understanding of it. It has everything
> to do with life and death. Faith and Doubt, and the ability to stand on the
> Rock of Salvation, firmly.
> After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
> and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my
> people.” (Jer 31:33)
>
> That phrase is repeated over and over again throughout the Bible. It came
> into being in the New Covenant, and will be repeated, at the start of the
> Millennial rule of Jesus Christ.
> concepts to others? All others. And I am not saying that you are or are not a
> son of God.
>>
> or aren't they? Did Jesus come to condemn the world? Is that sin so huge that
> it is insurmountable by the blood of Jesus? Why is is that a son of God has
> all sin removed from him, before God?
>> the Lord Jesus died for all the sins of the whole world??Whether you
>> choose Him, want Him, or not.And for that to be a reality, it is all
>> and nothing less.
>
> If you have aught against another, especially a brother, you have sinned.
> it would be a death penalty for stealing a pencil, the same as for murder.
> If you deny that then the piece of stupid looms large.
> again believer as, He does not see them as a sinful object. There is no sin
> found in heaven, no sinners found there.
>
> A humble God first loved us. He did not demand love me or die.
> righteousness of God. It is imputed to him.
> receiveth.” (Heb 12:6) Jesus repeats that om Rev 3:19
>
> According to the Word of the Lord this tears down all your false
> understandings of sin, man, and God. But hang on, we are not done yet. I read
> through all your post, so you should return the favor.
> world".
> Meaning the Holy Spirit who empowers us through the authority of Jesus, which
> he imparts to those that are Born of God.
> us, it is of God. The authority of the Believer is OF God. The knowledge of
> the Believer is OF God. The works one does that is greater than the works
> that Jesus did here, is likewise OF God, an according to the will of Jesus as
> he prayed to His Father that we might do these things. And anyone who is a
> true child of God would recognize that. We are supposed to bring honor and
> Glory to God the Father, and that is our purpose in life here, Not some petty
> disputing of words and knowledge. There is NO competition between Brothers in
> Christ.
> made there. This shows it flew right over your head. He was also speaking of
> when he first came to a deeper walk with the Lord, as more was revealed to
> him.
>
> Just look at all the times you were shown scriptures that refuted your
> understandings, or added to them things you did not know. Yet you sit there
> and criticize him?
> forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your
> Father forgive your trespasses.” (Mat 6:14-15)
>
> These words of Jesus refutes your claim. Paul speaks of this also when taking
> the cup of communion, to go out if you have aught with a brother, rectify it,
> then return lest you be chastened of the Lord.
> stupid" Look at what all it would destroy if Satan took advantage of your
> weakness and you caved in. Here is an obvious example of why your "agenda"
> blinded your eyes to what he was teaching.
>
> Obviously you have an axe to grind, but it is still too dull.
> no sin in Him. Jesus forgave us should we accept it. And in 1 John 1 it also
> speaks of washing our sins away as if there was a washing machine going set
> for continual cleansing.
>
> Remember? God chastens those he loves. He reproves them.
> did he sin, but he also sinned against the man he had killed, the mans wife,
> etc. and in that day and time had the Law been enforced he would have been
> killed.
>
> You ignore the man to man sin.
> instance, you would have a chaste mouth.
> worthy to escape the destruction that is soon coming to this world.
> redemption, and "ALL" Somehow this all went over your head. He is speaking of
> Believing and that is what he likewise believes.
> beginning. You speak as if when a man steals a pencil that they are to be
> given the Death Penalty. Yes that is the absurdity of your belief/
>
> GOD
> ^^
> |
> |
> ^^
> Man
> Sin is Sin, no graduations of sin which Duane made clear as have I.
>
> Man <------->Man There are graduations of sin, levels of sin and
> corresponding judgment. Want to see Gods plan laid out in this regard? Look,
> take a deep look at the Mosaic Law, what called for a death penalty and what
> didn't. Look at the restitutions required for various trespasses.
>
> I do not remember if Duane made that clear of not, but I am sure he would
> agree with me, as this IS the word of God.
> a curse placed on what you did or did not do. That blessing of curse was to
> take place IN THIS LIFE. And if one continued on that path then the curse
> would likewise increase. And continue to increase until you cried UNCLE!!
>
> Where of you see that happening under the New Covenant. Where is there any
> curse placed on your errors?
>
> Now,... if you chose to sin, and keep on walking in sin, thus reinstating
> your position as a sinner and chose to walk away from God, then hell is your
> certain end, and there is no second sacrifice for you. And I am speaking
> about sin between you and God. Unforgiven sin.
>
> I was hoping that you would view this with an eye to understand, and not
> declare war on another, but so far you have proven that it was all a wish on
> my part.
>
> You even went on to re-enforce a false thought regarding Jesus The Christ on
> the Cross when God His father abandoned him. Your creative definition does
> not match up with the original language of the Bible, nor does it match with
> any current translation.
>
> I see you didn't watch the whole thing, and I was hoping you did, then go
> back if you wished to pull out the portions you had difficulty with. Instead
> it appeared that you wanted to be a blow by blow announce never seeing the
> whole picture.
> clarified it here will help you either as it appears your heart is well
> hardened.
>
> Too bad, since it limits you severely from joining in with the family of God
> for joy, peace and Brotherhood.
>
> “Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may
> be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
> (Jas 5:16)
>
> You were conned by your "mentor" years ago. He stole from you what God wanted
> to give you.
>> The rich young ruler did not walk away and follow, did he??It is
>> shoelaces. There are no "gradations of sin concepts" in God.It is all
All or nothing. That is what all the called need to understand!! Life
or death. God does not compromise.
If you have a leading question, I will answer it for the sake of your
“apology of sort” on the other post. Other than that, the Lord does not
negotiate His Truth with men.
If I were you, I would read it again and do as the Lord asked, "Rather
PS However, the Lord spoke to me a lot and will most likely lead me
into another adventure of this type. We'll see. :-).
> On Dec 8, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sorg9c$pbk$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> I am asking you nicely and warning you, do not wipe your ass on this.
>
> Your threats of intimidation towards me are a waste of time.
>> I am asking you nicely and warning you, do not wipe your ass on this.
>
>>
>>
>> I don't personally have anything against Duane, it is just a matter of
>> truth. It's just business.
>
> Not according to this post of yours, you started off on an agenda, and stuck
>>
>> I don't personally have anything against Duane, it is just a matter of
>> truth. It's just business.
>
> to it to the very end of your post.
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5x-SyOEsAM&t=1274s
>>
>> There will be a few seconds on either side of my comments, and possibly
>> grammar stuff. But Duane's words are in "...........". I suggest you do
>> as I did for you, listen to the minutes contemporaneously, and rather
>> than judge what I am saying, as is your propensity, just receive (that
>> means understand) what is being said.
>>
>> 1:34 Jesus forgave all sin - no reason to articulate, past, present,
>> and future. He forgave all sin for everybody or he didn't.This is
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5x-SyOEsAM&t=1274s
>>
>> There will be a few seconds on either side of my comments, and possibly
>> grammar stuff. But Duane's words are in "...........". I suggest you do
>> as I did for you, listen to the minutes contemporaneously, and rather
>> than judge what I am saying, as is your propensity, just receive (that
>> means understand) what is being said.
>>
>> 1:34 Jesus forgave all sin - no reason to articulate, past, present,
>> important because it points to something much more important, like life
>> and death.
>
> There is a valid reason for stating this as many do not know it, nor can they
>> and death.
>
> understand it, nor can they grasp the understanding of it. It has everything
> to do with life and death. Faith and Doubt, and the ability to stand on the
> Rock of Salvation, firmly.
>
>>
>>
>> 1:48 "We gotta deal with that if you want to stay married".The
>> problem here is "We gotta deal". If you could "deal" with your sin in
>> your sinful state, you wouldn't need a Saviour!! No, the Lord "deals"
>> with it. This is why they fail to live a transformed life; they strive
>> to do it themselves.
>>
>> 3:00 Every son of God HAS realised how blessed he is.
>>
>> 3:30 God HAS written His laws on the hearts of those who are His. They
>> are transformed. A son of God HAS been changed within.
>>
>> 3:50 "I will be their God and they will be my people." A son of God is
>> not a "will be". He is his God and he is His people. No "going to be"
>> stuff. IS!
>
> “But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
>>
>>
>> 1:48 "We gotta deal with that if you want to stay married".The
>> problem here is "We gotta deal". If you could "deal" with your sin in
>> your sinful state, you wouldn't need a Saviour!! No, the Lord "deals"
>> with it. This is why they fail to live a transformed life; they strive
>> to do it themselves.
>>
>> 3:00 Every son of God HAS realised how blessed he is.
>>
>> 3:30 God HAS written His laws on the hearts of those who are His. They
>> are transformed. A son of God HAS been changed within.
>>
>> 3:50 "I will be their God and they will be my people." A son of God is
>> not a "will be". He is his God and he is His people. No "going to be"
>> stuff. IS!
>
> After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
> and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my
> people.” (Jer 31:33)
>
> That phrase is repeated over and over again throughout the Bible. It came
> into being in the New Covenant, and will be repeated, at the start of the
> Millennial rule of Jesus Christ.
>
>>
>> 4:40 A son of God does not teach another son of God about their
>> Father, they both know Him.
>
> Really? Then why do you find it so necessary to explain yourself and your
>>
>> 4:40 A son of God does not teach another son of God about their
>> Father, they both know Him.
>
> concepts to others? All others. And I am not saying that you are or are not a
> son of God.
>>
>> 6:00 All those that know Him have a personal relationship with Him.
>> Sons of God "do." That's it.
>>
>> 6:50 "When I mess up?" Look at how Duane subtly and how quickly he
>> downplays the magnitude of the violation against God. Call it what it
>> is: when I sin and turn away from Him for the sake of the world!!!
>
> Is that a "piece of Stupid" speaking? As all sins, past --> future forgiven
>> Sons of God "do." That's it.
>>
>> 6:50 "When I mess up?" Look at how Duane subtly and how quickly he
>> downplays the magnitude of the violation against God. Call it what it
>> is: when I sin and turn away from Him for the sake of the world!!!
>
> or aren't they? Did Jesus come to condemn the world? Is that sin so huge that
> it is insurmountable by the blood of Jesus? Why is is that a son of God has
> all sin removed from him, before God?
>>
>>
>> The little foxes destroy the vineyard.
>>
>> 7:00 "When I fail and fall". What's that?? Sin??Yeah. Sin against Him.
>>
>> The little foxes destroy the vineyard.
>>
>>
>> 7:57 "The mistakes sin creates in our lives". Sin doesn't create
>> anything. Sin doesn't do it, you do it, you and what you are.
>>
>> Sin is not what you do, it is what you are.
>>
>> 8:00-9:00 What Duane does not understand is that God has forgiven all
>> sin, so what remains? He keeps harping on about sin.What remains if
>> 7:57 "The mistakes sin creates in our lives". Sin doesn't create
>> anything. Sin doesn't do it, you do it, you and what you are.
>>
>> Sin is not what you do, it is what you are.
>>
>> 8:00-9:00 What Duane does not understand is that God has forgiven all
>> the Lord Jesus died for all the sins of the whole world??Whether you
>> choose Him, want Him, or not.And for that to be a reality, it is all
>> and nothing less.
>
> If you have aught against another, especially a brother, you have sinned.
>>
>>
>> All or nothing. That doesn't include little 'mistake' excursions.
>> "Gradations of sin concepts".
>
> The graduation of sins exists <--------> Horizontally. Man to Man, otherwise
>>
>> All or nothing. That doesn't include little 'mistake' excursions.
>> "Gradations of sin concepts".
>
> it would be a death penalty for stealing a pencil, the same as for murder.
> If you deny that then the piece of stupid looms large.
>
>>
>> 9:05 What is on the forefront of God's mind is not the dripping blood of
>> Jesus spilled all over the place. Far from it. The forefront of God's
>> mind is, will you choose tolove me. A humble God.
>
> Our robes of righteousness washed whiter than snow, is what God sees the born
>>
>> 9:05 What is on the forefront of God's mind is not the dripping blood of
>> Jesus spilled all over the place. Far from it. The forefront of God's
>> mind is, will you choose tolove me. A humble God.
>
> again believer as, He does not see them as a sinful object. There is no sin
> found in heaven, no sinners found there.
>
> A humble God first loved us. He did not demand love me or die.
>>
>> Sure, He knows what will happen, but it is His Heart that is being
>> spoken about here. It is yet another example of allowing it to be so
>> for the time being (for Him), because he is a God who fulfills all
>> righteousness even though he does not have to because he is righteousness.
>
> When a man is Born Again and becomes a new creature he is made the
>> Sure, He knows what will happen, but it is His Heart that is being
>> spoken about here. It is yet another example of allowing it to be so
>> for the time being (for Him), because he is a God who fulfills all
>> righteousness even though he does not have to because he is righteousness.
>
> righteousness of God. It is imputed to him.
>>
>> It is in the same fashion as asking John the Baptist to baptist Him.
>>
>> 9:50 God does not chasten His son over sin. A son of God, a real one,
>> has already been chastened, or he would not be a son. A son has been
>> corrected, reproved, instructed in righteousness, and raised up a new
>> creature in his righteousness.
>
> “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he
>> It is in the same fashion as asking John the Baptist to baptist Him.
>>
>> 9:50 God does not chasten His son over sin. A son of God, a real one,
>> has already been chastened, or he would not be a son. A son has been
>> corrected, reproved, instructed in righteousness, and raised up a new
>> creature in his righteousness.
>
> receiveth.” (Heb 12:6) Jesus repeats that om Rev 3:19
>
> According to the Word of the Lord this tears down all your false
> understandings of sin, man, and God. But hang on, we are not done yet. I read
> through all your post, so you should return the favor.
>
>>
>> 10:25 "God is empowering us and helping us overcome sin". No, apart
>> from not knowing the fact that a son of God is already an overcome, more
>> than a conqueror, he is saying we have a say in overcoming sin. There
>> is much I can write here, but we have to move on.
>
> The true basis is, "Greater is He that is in you than He that is in the
>>
>> 10:25 "God is empowering us and helping us overcome sin". No, apart
>> from not knowing the fact that a son of God is already an overcome, more
>> than a conqueror, he is saying we have a say in overcoming sin. There
>> is much I can write here, but we have to move on.
>
> world".
> Meaning the Holy Spirit who empowers us through the authority of Jesus, which
> he imparts to those that are Born of God.
>
>>
>> Duane is giving the impression that we have a certain amount of power to
>> achieve that. No, we have none. In your personal life, you do what the
>> Lord tells you to do, and He delivers you and crucifies your old nature
>> in ways you don't understand. All the glory is His.
>
> All Glory IS his. And We who have the power, know that. The power is not of
>>
>> Duane is giving the impression that we have a certain amount of power to
>> achieve that. No, we have none. In your personal life, you do what the
>> Lord tells you to do, and He delivers you and crucifies your old nature
>> in ways you don't understand. All the glory is His.
>
> us, it is of God. The authority of the Believer is OF God. The knowledge of
> the Believer is OF God. The works one does that is greater than the works
> that Jesus did here, is likewise OF God, an according to the will of Jesus as
> he prayed to His Father that we might do these things. And anyone who is a
> true child of God would recognize that. We are supposed to bring honor and
> Glory to God the Father, and that is our purpose in life here, Not some petty
> disputing of words and knowledge. There is NO competition between Brothers in
> Christ.
>>
>> 10:55 Of course, God is for you! There is no question about that. He
>> died on the cross, for goodness sake! He is waffling and wanting to set
>> up his next point. Is he even a believer? Of course, everyone is
>> forgiven because the Lord died for the sins of the whole world.I
>> didn't catch the timeline, but I think he is saying that he realized all
>> this basic stuff after he was supposed to be born again!!!It's laughable.
>
> Obviously you do not have the ears to hear, and that is one of the points he
>> 10:55 Of course, God is for you! There is no question about that. He
>> died on the cross, for goodness sake! He is waffling and wanting to set
>> up his next point. Is he even a believer? Of course, everyone is
>> forgiven because the Lord died for the sins of the whole world.I
>> didn't catch the timeline, but I think he is saying that he realized all
>> this basic stuff after he was supposed to be born again!!!It's laughable.
>
> made there. This shows it flew right over your head. He was also speaking of
> when he first came to a deeper walk with the Lord, as more was revealed to
> him.
>
> Just look at all the times you were shown scriptures that refuted your
> understandings, or added to them things you did not know. Yet you sit there
> and criticize him?
>>
>>
>> 12:39 Sin against God and one another - that is of the world, not in
>> true Christianity, not God's Christianity. As has been mentioned many
>> times, he doesn't ask the next question, 'Are we really the Church of
>> God'? And if he truly did ask that question, his house of cards would
>> crumble, along with his life as a Pastor.
>
> “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also
>>
>> 12:39 Sin against God and one another - that is of the world, not in
>> true Christianity, not God's Christianity. As has been mentioned many
>> times, he doesn't ask the next question, 'Are we really the Church of
>> God'? And if he truly did ask that question, his house of cards would
>> crumble, along with his life as a Pastor.
>
> forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your
> Father forgive your trespasses.” (Mat 6:14-15)
>
> These words of Jesus refutes your claim. Paul speaks of this also when taking
> the cup of communion, to go out if you have aught with a brother, rectify it,
> then return lest you be chastened of the Lord.
>
>>
>> But it is his choice.
>>
>> It reminds me of this youngish doctor. I once asked if he could go back
>> in time, would he be a doctor again? He said, no. I said, well why
>> don't you change and do something else? He said, 'I've come too far to
>> go back now'.
>>
>> That is one reason why it is wise for a man to seek the Lord while he is
>> yet young.
>
> God is able to work with old and young alike.
>>
>> But it is his choice.
>>
>> It reminds me of this youngish doctor. I once asked if he could go back
>> in time, would he be a doctor again? He said, no. I said, well why
>> don't you change and do something else? He said, 'I've come too far to
>> go back now'.
>>
>> That is one reason why it is wise for a man to seek the Lord while he is
>> yet young.
>
>>
>>
>> 13:15 THERE ARE NO EXTRA MARTIAL AFFAIRS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. A son
>> of God does not betray His Lord. It is unbelievable that you can't see
>> this guy. In all fairness, he can't see himself either.
>>
>> 13:35 Sin is not "stupid", it is a filthy, vile rejection of God, of
>> Jesus as Lord.
>
> While he said sin is stupid, the context of that portion is "sinning is
>>
>> 13:15 THERE ARE NO EXTRA MARTIAL AFFAIRS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. A son
>> of God does not betray His Lord. It is unbelievable that you can't see
>> this guy. In all fairness, he can't see himself either.
>>
>> 13:35 Sin is not "stupid", it is a filthy, vile rejection of God, of
>> Jesus as Lord.
>
> stupid" Look at what all it would destroy if Satan took advantage of your
> weakness and you caved in. Here is an obvious example of why your "agenda"
> blinded your eyes to what he was teaching.
>
> Obviously you have an axe to grind, but it is still too dull.
>>
>> 14:38-15:12 Because God does not compromise! Because God does not
>> compromise with sin, any sin! There are no gradations of sin concepts.
>> And sin is not a "concept", it is the rejection of God!!
>
> Sin is missing the mark. God does not sin when a person is rejected. There is
>> 14:38-15:12 Because God does not compromise! Because God does not
>> compromise with sin, any sin! There are no gradations of sin concepts.
>> And sin is not a "concept", it is the rejection of God!!
>
> no sin in Him. Jesus forgave us should we accept it. And in 1 John 1 it also
> speaks of washing our sins away as if there was a washing machine going set
> for continual cleansing.
>
> Remember? God chastens those he loves. He reproves them.
>>
>>
>> 15:15 And by the way, the Word says what the Word says. There are no
>> additional sinners' human morals required. Not those of Uriah,
>> Bathsheba, or Duane!
>>
>> "'Against You and You Only Have I Sinned"'.
>
> Again you were blinded by your agenda. He specifically said that To God FIRST
>>
>> 15:15 And by the way, the Word says what the Word says. There are no
>> additional sinners' human morals required. Not those of Uriah,
>> Bathsheba, or Duane!
>>
>> "'Against You and You Only Have I Sinned"'.
>
> did he sin, but he also sinned against the man he had killed, the mans wife,
> etc. and in that day and time had the Law been enforced he would have been
> killed.
>
> You ignore the man to man sin.
>>
>>
>> 1704 "See some sins we commit, and we know we've sinned...and we need to
>> learn to deal with that". You are not your own Saviour.You don't deal
>>
>> 1704 "See some sins we commit, and we know we've sinned...and we need to
>> with anything!!!
>>
>> It has been explained.
>>
>> 1730 The Lord Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, sin is not
>> the problem. Whether you want Him or not is!!!
>>
>> A break here: I am merely skimming the surface of what can be said, but
>> if I don't let some things go, I am going to be here till next
>> Christmas. And for all intents and purposes, based on your history, you
>> are likely going to just wipe your ass on what I say anyway.
>>
>> 19:10 Psalms 103 "You need to remember". What? That Jesus is the Lord
>> and you should appreciate, honour Him?? He goes on to emphasise 19:40
>> "forgives all your iniquities". Of course He does. He died on the cross
>> and forgave the whole world of sin.
>>
>> What is the point again? I am not interested in sin, I want to know
>> whether you will love Me with all your heart, soul, and mind.
>
> If you love him you would keep ALL his commandments. Shirking none. For
>>
>> It has been explained.
>>
>> 1730 The Lord Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, sin is not
>> the problem. Whether you want Him or not is!!!
>>
>> A break here: I am merely skimming the surface of what can be said, but
>> if I don't let some things go, I am going to be here till next
>> Christmas. And for all intents and purposes, based on your history, you
>> are likely going to just wipe your ass on what I say anyway.
>>
>> 19:10 Psalms 103 "You need to remember". What? That Jesus is the Lord
>> and you should appreciate, honour Him?? He goes on to emphasise 19:40
>> "forgives all your iniquities". Of course He does. He died on the cross
>> and forgave the whole world of sin.
>>
>> What is the point again? I am not interested in sin, I want to know
>> whether you will love Me with all your heart, soul, and mind.
>
> instance, you would have a chaste mouth.
>>
>>
>> 20:10 "One of the things that keeps you energetic and serving God with
>> passion is knowing how forgiven you are". I would not say that, but
>> there is a degree of joy in knowing what God has done for you, but it is
>> not what gives a son of God energy and passion for his Father.
>>
>> Knowing Him gives me energy and passion; it's about who He is. That is
>> central to everything. If that is nottotally preeminent, then heavenly
>>
>> 20:10 "One of the things that keeps you energetic and serving God with
>> passion is knowing how forgiven you are". I would not say that, but
>> there is a degree of joy in knowing what God has done for you, but it is
>> not what gives a son of God energy and passion for his Father.
>>
>> Knowing Him gives me energy and passion; it's about who He is. That is
>> places in Christ Jesus is not about "Thou art worthy"! That person has
>> another address.
>
> Jesus made us worthy. And if we walk in the Light then we will be counted
>> another address.
>
> worthy to escape the destruction that is soon coming to this world.
>>
>>
>> 21:00 When is Duane ever going to believe?? He does not mark
>> iniquities; He is only concerned with whether you want Him, and the
>> question is whether a man is willing to give up everything to be with Him.
>
> Your sentence is unclear here. For at 21 minutes he is speaking of
>>
>> 21:00 When is Duane ever going to believe?? He does not mark
>> iniquities; He is only concerned with whether you want Him, and the
>> question is whether a man is willing to give up everything to be with Him.
>
> redemption, and "ALL" Somehow this all went over your head. He is speaking of
> Believing and that is what he likewise believes.
>>
>> 21:38 God is not interested in sin, He dealt with it on the cross.He
>> is only interested in whether or not a person wants Him, desires Him
>> with all their heart, needs his presence, is prepared to go sell all he
>> has and follow Him into a marriage. He keeps going on and on and on
>> about sin. God's not interested, and he's already dealt with it!!! It
>> is all a question of, 'Do you want to marry Me?'
>>
>> No, there are no gradations of sin concepts!!!
>>
>> 22:45 Sin is sin!!! No man can stand under any sin.The problem is,
>> 21:38 God is not interested in sin, He dealt with it on the cross.He
>> is only interested in whether or not a person wants Him, desires Him
>> with all their heart, needs his presence, is prepared to go sell all he
>> has and follow Him into a marriage. He keeps going on and on and on
>> about sin. God's not interested, and he's already dealt with it!!! It
>> is all a question of, 'Do you want to marry Me?'
>>
>> No, there are no gradations of sin concepts!!!
>>
>> he and they are worried about sin because they know they have not given
>> the Lord all their heart, soul, and mind. They are trying to get around
>> that guilt with theology.
>>
>> 23:00 There is NO DIFFERENCE between stealing your pencil and killing
>> you. SIN IS SIN. He needs to get that into his brain!Heart, more
>> the Lord all their heart, soul, and mind. They are trying to get around
>> that guilt with theology.
>>
>> 23:00 There is NO DIFFERENCE between stealing your pencil and killing
>> precisely, because sin is a heart issue!!! Go back to 21:15Duane
>> said, "There are no little or big sins". That is right.Sin is sin.
>> God is holy. He is contradicting the truth when he says, "There IS a
>> difference between stealing your pencil and killing you". No, there is
>> not. Sin is sin.
>
> Duane was quite clear on this. You? One has to wonder. As I said at the
>> difference between stealing your pencil and killing you". No, there is
>> not. Sin is sin.
>
> beginning. You speak as if when a man steals a pencil that they are to be
> given the Death Penalty. Yes that is the absurdity of your belief/
>
> GOD
> ^^
> |
> |
> ^^
> Man
> Sin is Sin, no graduations of sin which Duane made clear as have I.
>
> Man <------->Man There are graduations of sin, levels of sin and
> corresponding judgment. Want to see Gods plan laid out in this regard? Look,
> take a deep look at the Mosaic Law, what called for a death penalty and what
> didn't. Look at the restitutions required for various trespasses.
>
> I do not remember if Duane made that clear of not, but I am sure he would
> agree with me, as this IS the word of God.
>>
>> 23:20 Vertical is all there is. How you treat God is what determines
>> your whole life, including how you treat your neighbour.
>
> Now, that is a piece of stupid. Under the Mosaic law there was a blessing and
>> 23:20 Vertical is all there is. How you treat God is what determines
>> your whole life, including how you treat your neighbour.
>
> a curse placed on what you did or did not do. That blessing of curse was to
> take place IN THIS LIFE. And if one continued on that path then the curse
> would likewise increase. And continue to increase until you cried UNCLE!!
>
> Where of you see that happening under the New Covenant. Where is there any
> curse placed on your errors?
>
> Now,... if you chose to sin, and keep on walking in sin, thus reinstating
> your position as a sinner and chose to walk away from God, then hell is your
> certain end, and there is no second sacrifice for you. And I am speaking
> about sin between you and God. Unforgiven sin.
>
> I was hoping that you would view this with an eye to understand, and not
> declare war on another, but so far you have proven that it was all a wish on
> my part.
>
> You even went on to re-enforce a false thought regarding Jesus The Christ on
> the Cross when God His father abandoned him. Your creative definition does
> not match up with the original language of the Bible, nor does it match with
> any current translation.
>
> I see you didn't watch the whole thing, and I was hoping you did, then go
> back if you wished to pull out the portions you had difficulty with. Instead
> it appeared that you wanted to be a blow by blow announce never seeing the
> whole picture.
>>
>>
>> The vertical or horizontal thing Duane has got going on is nonsense.
>
> It appears that way to you, that is for sure. I also doubt that the way I
>>
>> The vertical or horizontal thing Duane has got going on is nonsense.
>
> clarified it here will help you either as it appears your heart is well
> hardened.
>
> Too bad, since it limits you severely from joining in with the family of God
> for joy, peace and Brotherhood.
>
> “Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may
> be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
> (Jas 5:16)
>
> You were conned by your "mentor" years ago. He stole from you what God wanted
> to give you.
>
>>
>>
>> What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man is
>> made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
>> neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you.
>>
>> 23:30 Now he goes on to religious horizontal thinking, man to man, and
>> that is not reality! Man is not judge. Understand that.A sinner is
>>
>>
>> What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man is
>> made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
>> neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you.
>>
>> 23:30 Now he goes on to religious horizontal thinking, man to man, and
>> not the judge of right and wrong. Duane is weighing the thoughts and
>> intents of the human heart according to his own human moral weighing
>> machine - like you do with me.
>>
>> The overarching fact here is that with God, all things are possible, but
>> with man, nothing is possible.
>>
>> 24:50 Hand up. No, I don't doubt my Father. I know He will never leave
>> me or forsake me. Partly due to what we all know next...
>>
>> Notice, Jesus never doubted His Father. Your translation says, My God,
>> my God, why have you forsaken me?? He is not questioning the presence
>> of the Father, but why (You being there), have you done this to me??
>>
>> However, as you know, my Holy Spirit translation of that text is, "Of
>> Me, of Me, is my suffering; Jesus is the Lord.
>>
>> Praise the Lord.
>>
>> 25:00 "James said, He who knows to do good and doesn't do it, for him
>> it is sin". And who decision is that? Yours? :-) Duane's? He is
>> assuming all are still sinners. A son of God (not THE) was a sinner,
>> but not now.
>>
>> Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
>> YET sinners, Christ died for us.
>>
>> Duane is assuming that everyone is like him...and, more concerning,
>> sending the message to the congregation that this is all they will ever
>> be. Who will receive the greater condemnation for that bill of goods?
>> Even though he is probably correct in that it is very unlikely that any
>> will come out of his ministry.
>>
>> 25:10 "I've got us all, everybody is guilty." No, not me.You, him,
>> intents of the human heart according to his own human moral weighing
>> machine - like you do with me.
>>
>> The overarching fact here is that with God, all things are possible, but
>> with man, nothing is possible.
>>
>> 24:50 Hand up. No, I don't doubt my Father. I know He will never leave
>> me or forsake me. Partly due to what we all know next...
>>
>> Notice, Jesus never doubted His Father. Your translation says, My God,
>> my God, why have you forsaken me?? He is not questioning the presence
>> of the Father, but why (You being there), have you done this to me??
>>
>> However, as you know, my Holy Spirit translation of that text is, "Of
>> Me, of Me, is my suffering; Jesus is the Lord.
>>
>> Praise the Lord.
>>
>> 25:00 "James said, He who knows to do good and doesn't do it, for him
>> it is sin". And who decision is that? Yours? :-) Duane's? He is
>> assuming all are still sinners. A son of God (not THE) was a sinner,
>> but not now.
>>
>> Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
>> YET sinners, Christ died for us.
>>
>> Duane is assuming that everyone is like him...and, more concerning,
>> sending the message to the congregation that this is all they will ever
>> be. Who will receive the greater condemnation for that bill of goods?
>> Even though he is probably correct in that it is very unlikely that any
>> will come out of his ministry.
>>
>> but not me. Not a new creature, not a son of God.
>>
>> 25:20 God did make a new covenant with man. He died on the cross for
>> the sins of the whole world. Duane needs to believe that, forget about
>> sin, and get on with finding out God's will in his life and doing it.
>> Why? So that the Lord can crucify that old nature in him and turn him
>> into the son He wants, not the son religion wants.
>>
>> What kind of son is that? The true son is the one who loves him with all
>> of their heart, soul, and mind.
>>
>> It is not difficult.
>>
>> 25:40 A son of God is fixed! God is not interested in sin (He dealt
>> with it on the cross), He is only interested in your willingness to love
>> me with all your heart, soul, and mind. He does not sit up there looking
>> for sin; He is up there looking for people who will give their lives to Him.
>>
>> He doesn't change.
>>
>> God has always scoured the entire earth for a heart to rise up from
>> among the multitudes towards Him.
>>
>> Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
>> shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
>> such to worship him.
>>
>> If the rich young ruler had chosen that, he would not have gone away
>> sorrowful.
>>
>> 25:42 "Get back up, come to me,let's get it fixed" :-). It sounds
>>
>> 25:20 God did make a new covenant with man. He died on the cross for
>> the sins of the whole world. Duane needs to believe that, forget about
>> sin, and get on with finding out God's will in his life and doing it.
>> Why? So that the Lord can crucify that old nature in him and turn him
>> into the son He wants, not the son religion wants.
>>
>> What kind of son is that? The true son is the one who loves him with all
>> of their heart, soul, and mind.
>>
>> It is not difficult.
>>
>> 25:40 A son of God is fixed! God is not interested in sin (He dealt
>> with it on the cross), He is only interested in your willingness to love
>> me with all your heart, soul, and mind. He does not sit up there looking
>> for sin; He is up there looking for people who will give their lives to Him.
>>
>> He doesn't change.
>>
>> God has always scoured the entire earth for a heart to rise up from
>> among the multitudes towards Him.
>>
>> Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
>> shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
>> such to worship him.
>>
>> If the rich young ruler had chosen that, he would not have gone away
>> sorrowful.
>>
>> impressive, but a son of God doesn't leave and is fixed.
>>
>> 26:00 "My love for God, my respect for God, my loyalty to God, comes
>> out of this revelation, of His love for me." No, it doesn't.Subtle,
>> very subtle. A son of God's love, respect, his loyalty for God comes
>> out of who God is. Like Mary and her perfume at the feet of
>> Jesus...worship for who He is. A son of God loves His Father because of
>> who He is, the Person He is. All the glory is HIS. He is worthy alone.
>>
>> "Me" doesn't come into that realm!
>>
>> Interestingly, the Lord just reminded me of Moses, not saying to the
>> rock as he was instructed, but hitting it. In his heart, Moses was not
>> treating God with the worthiness he deserved, and he was not
>> demonstrating God's worthiness to the people.
>>
>> Who He is, and nothing else.
>>
>> 26:10 "You can only love God to the measure and degree you know how
>> much He's loved you." That is just wrong. Duane is making a 'sounds
>> like he is saying something' statement. This is also very subtle, more
>> subtle than the above and so much harder to get across. Love has no
>> measure, nor degree. Love is love, or it is not love at all.
>>
>> You will either receive that or not.
>>
>> Like I said, I don't have a personal bent toward the man, other than
>> that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is primarily about the truth.
>> In other words, whohe is is not what drives me.
>>
>> 26:00 "My love for God, my respect for God, my loyalty to God, comes
>> out of this revelation, of His love for me." No, it doesn't.Subtle,
>> very subtle. A son of God's love, respect, his loyalty for God comes
>> out of who God is. Like Mary and her perfume at the feet of
>> Jesus...worship for who He is. A son of God loves His Father because of
>> who He is, the Person He is. All the glory is HIS. He is worthy alone.
>>
>> "Me" doesn't come into that realm!
>>
>> Interestingly, the Lord just reminded me of Moses, not saying to the
>> rock as he was instructed, but hitting it. In his heart, Moses was not
>> treating God with the worthiness he deserved, and he was not
>> demonstrating God's worthiness to the people.
>>
>> Who He is, and nothing else.
>>
>> 26:10 "You can only love God to the measure and degree you know how
>> much He's loved you." That is just wrong. Duane is making a 'sounds
>> like he is saying something' statement. This is also very subtle, more
>> subtle than the above and so much harder to get across. Love has no
>> measure, nor degree. Love is love, or it is not love at all.
>>
>> You will either receive that or not.
>>
>> Like I said, I don't have a personal bent toward the man, other than
>> that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is primarily about the truth.
>>
>> In the 26 min, it is so wrong, I am not even going to go there. We have
>> to get to the end of this venture. I will say this, though: man has
>> obtained mercy!
>>
>> 27:45 How can you love God and walk away totally??? That ain't love.
>>
>> 29:25 Abraham did what he did because he recognised God for WHOM HE IS!
>> Can you get that?
>>
>> He goes on in the next few minutes in the same old thing.Sin, sin,
>> In the 26 min, it is so wrong, I am not even going to go there. We have
>> to get to the end of this venture. I will say this, though: man has
>> obtained mercy!
>>
>> 27:45 How can you love God and walk away totally??? That ain't love.
>>
>> 29:25 Abraham did what he did because he recognised God for WHOM HE IS!
>> Can you get that?
>>
>> or nothing.
>>
>> 56:15 "But I wanna be right, I want to make things right". I know he is
>> making the prayer for others, but it is the call from his own heart too.
>> Everyone has that desire, even atheists. But it is one thing to want
>> to be made right, and another thing entirely to be wrong, completely
>> wrong, and get out of the way of God by faith.
>>
>> Nevertheless, that is the narrow path, and that is what it would have
>> been if the rich young ruler had sold all he had and followed the Lord.
>> Forsaking everything, even more than his worldly riches, is what it
>> takes. Not my will, but thy will in all things.
>>
>> Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young
>> [needing indoctrination, reproving, correcting, instruction in
>> righteousness], thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou
>> wouldest [according to your own will]: but when thou shalt be old
>> [meaning, come to put away childish things], thou shalt stretch forth
>> thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou
>> wouldest not [AS a little child].
>>
>> The Lord will guide thee, down a path with a lamp unto your feet and a
>> light unto your path.
>>
>> Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
>>
>> ...it wasn't being crucified upside down (Peter), it is to lose your
>> life, your will, your ways, your all. That is how you glorify God.
Sorry, nothing is under negotiation.
>>
>> 56:15 "But I wanna be right, I want to make things right". I know he is
>> making the prayer for others, but it is the call from his own heart too.
>> Everyone has that desire, even atheists. But it is one thing to want
>> to be made right, and another thing entirely to be wrong, completely
>> wrong, and get out of the way of God by faith.
>>
>> Nevertheless, that is the narrow path, and that is what it would have
>> been if the rich young ruler had sold all he had and followed the Lord.
>> Forsaking everything, even more than his worldly riches, is what it
>> takes. Not my will, but thy will in all things.
>>
>> Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young
>> [needing indoctrination, reproving, correcting, instruction in
>> righteousness], thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou
>> wouldest [according to your own will]: but when thou shalt be old
>> [meaning, come to put away childish things], thou shalt stretch forth
>> thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou
>> wouldest not [AS a little child].
>>
>> The Lord will guide thee, down a path with a lamp unto your feet and a
>> light unto your path.
>>
>> Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
>>
>> ...it wasn't being crucified upside down (Peter), it is to lose your
>> life, your will, your ways, your all. That is how you glorify God.
All or nothing. That is what all the called need to understand!! Life
or death. God does not compromise.
If you have a leading question, I will answer it for the sake of your
“apology of sort” on the other post. Other than that, the Lord does not
negotiate His Truth with men.
If I were you, I would read it again and do as the Lord asked, "Rather
than judge what I am saying, as is your propensity, just receive (that
means understand) what is being said."
Michael Christ
means understand) what is being said."
PS However, the Lord spoke to me a lot and will most likely lead me
into another adventure of this type. We'll see. :-).
Michael Christ
Dec 10, 2021, 7:43:02 PM12/10/21
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On 11/12/2021 10:44 am, Robert wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sp0ntl$116$1...@dont-email.me>):
Robert wrote:
> Do you believe that a pencil stealer should be condemned to death by men?
:-). Nice one! You are trying to snare me, Robert. :-).
Reminds me of, "Whose is this image and superscription?" :-).
It doesn't matter what men believe.
Sin is sin.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a
writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your
hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it
was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except
it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and
whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with
his wife, it is not good to marry.
Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,
save they to whom it is given.
I know the Lord moves on to eunuchs but look at the way the Lord
finished here. Simply, nothing is received without revelation from above.
He is speaking deeper than mere adultery here.
For the hardness of men's hearts we need laws of adjudication, a pencil,
a murder, but from the beginning it was not so.
Wrong is wrong, and right is right.
Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
And sin, my friend, is sin.
Verse 12: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. "
Michael Christ
PS Now ask yourself, can you justify adultery? That is, any sin against
God? From [in] the beginning it was not so, and in Christ Jesus it is
not so.
> On Dec 10, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sp0ntl$116$1...@dont-email.me>):
> Do you believe that a pencil stealer should be condemned to death by men?
:-). Nice one! You are trying to snare me, Robert. :-).
Reminds me of, "Whose is this image and superscription?" :-).
It doesn't matter what men believe.
Sin is sin.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a
writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your
hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it
was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except
it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and
whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with
his wife, it is not good to marry.
Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,
save they to whom it is given.
I know the Lord moves on to eunuchs but look at the way the Lord
finished here. Simply, nothing is received without revelation from above.
He is speaking deeper than mere adultery here.
For the hardness of men's hearts we need laws of adjudication, a pencil,
a murder, but from the beginning it was not so.
Wrong is wrong, and right is right.
Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
And sin, my friend, is sin.
Verse 12: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. "
Michael Christ
PS Now ask yourself, can you justify adultery? That is, any sin against
God? From [in] the beginning it was not so, and in Christ Jesus it is
not so.
Michael Christ
Dec 11, 2021, 5:11:21 AM12/11/21
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On 11/12/2021 2:25 pm, Robert wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sp0s6k$116$3...@dont-email.me>):
> On Dec 10, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
Michael Christ wrote:
>>> -). Nice one! You are trying to snare me, Robert. :-).
>>
>> Reminds me of, "Whose is this image and superscription?" :-).
>>
>> It doesn't matter what men believe.
Robert wrote:
>>> -). Nice one! You are trying to snare me, Robert. :-).
>>
>> Reminds me of, "Whose is this image and superscription?" :-).
>>
>> It doesn't matter what men believe.
> That is correct.
As above then.
Robert wrote:
> You are trapped by your own snare.
And now it matters what men believe?? :-).
You are wasting my time again, Robert. You know what that means.
If you spent your time seeking the truth instead of trying to condemn
me, your time would be infinitely better spent.
> Does not the Law ordained by God under Moses have graduated judgments when it
> is between man to man, and a far more stringent judgment between God and men?
The law of Moses was fulfilled.
What has that to do with me?
The point was "in the beginning" below.
When the Spirit of God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden, and as
now, in Christ Jesus.
>> Sin is sin.
>>
>> Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a
>> writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
>> Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your
>> hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it
>> was not so.
>> Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except
>> it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and
>> whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
>> Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with
>> his wife, it is not good to marry.
>> Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,
>> save they to whom it is given.
>>
>> I know the Lord moves on to eunuchs but look at the way the Lord
>> finished here. Simply, nothing is received without revelation from above.
>>
>> He is speaking deeper than mere adultery here.
>>
>> For the hardness of men's hearts we need laws of adjudication, a pencil,
>> a murder, but from the beginning it was not so.
>>
>> Wrong is wrong, and right is right.
> And the Jew was known as a stiff necked person. Which is why God allowed
> divorces yet forbid remarriage, unless a person divorced because of adultery,
> then the offended person was allowed to remarry.
Not relevant.
> Look at the Mosaic laws see how judgment is handed out for various sins
> against men as well as trespassing. One of your big mistakes, and not you
> only, but most of us, is that we think of sin and hardcore sin. Trespassing
> is often written in English as Sin. Sin can be accidental, or a side slip,
> unintentional. And for years I have asked people here in these NG's what sin
> is, according to the word of God, with virtually no response.
Sin is sin, and you want the response you want to hear.
Sin is not loving God with all you heart, soul, and mind. You were told
that ages ago.
And no, it hasn't changed.
>>
>>
>> Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
>>
>> And sin, my friend, is sin.
>
You have been told, again, and again, and again.
It has always been the sin that determines all iniquity.
>
> “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye
> know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?” (Mar 12:24)
>
> “Do not err, my beloved brethren.” (Jas 1:16)
>
> “Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing
> psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and
> let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And
> the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and
> if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults
> one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The
> effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man
> subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not
> rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six
> months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought
> forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one
> convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error
> of his way shall save a soul from death,
> and shall hide a multitude of
> sins.” (Jas 5:13-20)
That last bit, such is the desire toward all those a son of God speaks,
except another son of God; no need.
> Interesting is it not? "If he has committed sin", "Confess your Faults", "if
> any err from the Truth".
Not really.
Such is the disposition of the "called", but not the "chosen". Duane
needs to ask the question amidst all his complaining about his
church/churches, "Are we really The Church?"
> Look at this, it may be a sin to him, yet not to another.
>
> “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
> sin.” (Jas 4:17)
Boil it down. You have been given the answer.
> We are not the arbiter of sin, what might be a sin to you may not be a sin
> for me.
>
> Why is that?
You have been told. It applies to all.
>
>>
>>
>> Verse 12: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>> PS Now ask yourself, can you justify adultery? That is, any sin against
>> God? From [in] the beginning it was not so, and in Christ Jesus it is
>> not so.
>
Michael Christ
Dec 11, 2021, 7:19:07 PM12/11/21
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(snipped, as we have been over it).
>> Robert wrote:
>>> And the Jew was known as a stiff necked person. Which is why God allowed
>>> divorces yet forbid remarriage, unless a person divorced because of
>>> adultery, then the offended person was allowed to remarry.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Not relevant.
Robert wrote:
> You are the one who brought up the divorce issue.
I wasn't talking about divorce, the Lord was talking about "in the
beginning it was not so". You missed it because (once again), you are
not looking for truth as a priority, you are looking to find fault to
crucify me because I oppose your religious beliefs.
After all, what if what I have been saying all these years was true?
:-). Shock, horror!! :-).
Wouldn't that be devastating to your cause with all the accusations and
condemnation you have levelled at me over the years, and even now??!!
>>
>>
>>> Look at the Mosaic laws see how judgment is handed out for various sins
>>> against men as well as trespassing. One of your big mistakes, and not you
>>> only, but most of us, is that we think of sin and hardcore sin. Trespassing
>>> is often written in English as Sin. Sin can be accidental, or a side slip,
>>> unintentional. And for years I have asked people here in these NG's what sin
>>> is, according to the word of God, with virtually no response.
> Your understanding has not changed and it is incompatible with the Word of
> the Lord. You are as stiff-necked as any Jew ever was, and that is to your
> detriment.
Again with the accusation and condemnation, and because I tell you the
truth?? What next, rush at me to stone me. Ummm, too late! :-).
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
It obvious.
It is a little too comprehensive for Duane et al., I know. :-).
Nevertheless.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
>>>>
>>>> And sin, my friend, is sin.
>>>
>>> Then put a definition on it. And then ask yourself, what is it "to err"?
> The Word determines iniquity, you appear to not want to deal with the issues.
God determines iniquity, not your interpretation of the biblical text.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
If you can't get that, all you have is a shallow understanding of sin
and of the nature of God and His salvation.
Put your personally guided bible down, and listen to and for the Lord
Jesus...like I do...He is a Person. Ink is only about Him. It is not
enough.
>>> “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye
>>> know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?” (Mar 12:24)
>>>
>>> “Do not err, my beloved brethren.” (Jas 1:16)
>>>
>>> “Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing
>>> psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;
>>> and
>>> let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And
>>> the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
>>> and
>>> if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults
>>> one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The
>>> effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man
>>> subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might
>>> not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six
>>> months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one
>>> convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the
>>> error of his way shall save a soul from death,
>>
>>> and shall hide a multitude of
>>> sins.” (Jas 5:13-20)
>>
>> That last bit, such is the desire toward all those a son of God speaks,
>> except another son of God; no need.
>
> Yet the scripture clearly speaks of us praying "one for another" as for
> healing
A son of God is healed.
> "If there be one among you" meaning the assembly. It also brings in the fact
> that when that believing brother is healed that "if" and the word clearly
> means "if", "if he has committed any sins" he shall be forgiven of them.
It is too fantastical for you, I know, but a son of God has all he needs
and will ever need.
You are speaking about the called, not the chosen.
>>> Interesting is it not? "If he has committed sin", "Confess your Faults", "if
>>> any err from the Truth".
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> Such is the disposition of the "called", but not the "chosen". Duane
>> needs to ask the question amidst all his complaining about his
>> church/churches, "Are we really The Church?"
>
> Every Born Again believer is of the Assembly "the church". They are a fully
> functioning member of the Body of Christ Jesus. Duane knows this as well.
Duane is not "The Church", nor does he represent "The Church". He is
not born again, yet he has set himself up in the Holy Place as though he
is, and since you can't see that, it is a very big problem.
Maybe one day the penny will drop, and then your eyes will be opened.
>>
>>
>>> Look at this, it may be a sin to him, yet not to another.
>>>
>>> “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
>>> sin.” (Jas 4:17)
>>
>> Boil it down. You have been given the answer.
>
> OK, let's get personal on this. When you go on a cursing rant against a
> person, and at the same time accusing them of not being of The Lord Jesus
> Christ, then it is that you know how to do good but you chose not to do it.
Who says I go on a cursing rant??
You according to your morals?? Are you the standard??
However, what if, like your understanding of Duane, your morals are
fucked up??
> Therefore, to you it is a sin.
There are no sinners in Christ Jesus, no double-dippers, no revolving
doors, no "gradations of sin concepts", much less "gradations of sin
concepts" according to the moral judgements of sinful men!
That is for sure!!!
IOW's, you did not follow the commandment to
> follow peace with all men, as much as possible. And when you saw yourself on
> a rant flow, you did not stop to ask God for support to be peaceful.
The Lord leads, I follow, just like now.
You have made a wonderful conclusion to your assumptions, Mein Fuhrer of
perfect worldly morals! :-).
All those people running around striving to do what is right in the
world, religious or otherwise, are striving to do it in a spiritual
environment that is hopelessly corrupt.
Just like your programmed religious morals, and are all tainted with a
sin perception and distinction. Or as Paul wrote it, "Glass darkly",
dark with sin in a sinful darkened world.
Psa_14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy:
there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Oh, you say, what about Michael Christ??
Well, I am no longer my own.
>>> We are not the arbiter of sin, what might be a sin to you may not be a sin
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> You have been told. It applies to all.
>
> And the Man to Man sin?
What did David say?? What did God say by putting it in our perception
in the Psalms??
Psalms 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil
in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be
clear when thou judgest.
"What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man
is made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you."
"Against thee, thee only, have I sinned."
Or, whatever sin consequence happens to man, is deserved. I know, you
are going to find that hard. Nevertheless.
All men were born sinners, and don't deserve so much as a breath.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother
conceive me.
No, it doesn't mean David's mother was unfaithful with or to Jesse, it
means all men were born sinners...that is why all sin.
> Under the mosaic law is there not a graduated level
> of sin? With Graduated measurements of Judgments? Is that not a God given and
> sanctioned law of the day?
The law was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is fundamental to
any New Testament scholar with any understanding.
God only has one grade now, all or nothing. And now that you know what
sin truly is, you can apprehend that reality.
> Did not Jesus teach to forgive those that trespass against us if we are to
> expect forgiveness from God?
The sons of God are forgiven.
Forgiveness is not an action of the mind, it is a state of the natural
being in the heart of God, and in the sons of God.
Again, the called have to be told that, the chosen, the son of God just
'am' like that. He who has been forgiven much, loves much (meaning,
entirely).
> Is this not a theme in the book of James? Is
> this not a theme in the book of Corinthians when it comes to taking communion
> with the brethren and that one is to say, hang on, while he goes to a
> "brother" with whom he has aught against and forgive him or receive
> forgiveness, then come back to partake of communion? And if a person is too
> stiff necked to do it does it not say that for that reason many are sick and
> weak amongst you, some even to death?
>
> Is there a level of being a brother that is higher than his brethren, where
> one walks in exhalation that none else can achieve? Absolutely not.
Don't answer your own questions, because that is all you end up with.
I know it is hard to fathom, but once again you are talking about the
called. Called to what, though?? Yes, you know what that is by now.
To love the Lord thy...
A son of God does not need instruction in righteousness anymore (2 Tim
3:17 and has moved on from verse 16, from glory to glory), he just
listens in his heart to what the Lord of Righteousness, the Lord Jesus,
is saying and does it. He can do that because he really is a new
creature. Did Paul or James need anyone to write these things to them??
A son of God has entered into His rest.
Anyone can do it if they lay down their life for the sake of who He is,
but few are willing to do so! They prefer to have a go at crucifying
themselves, and where would the glory go then, if indeed it could?
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> believer.
No one is running around dripping with the blood of Jesus, especially
with sin in their lives!
It is a fantasy.
The Lord Jesus' blood was spilled, it is dead and gone; He was
resurrected and now has a new heavenly body. He died for the sins of
the whole world. God does not look down and see His blood splattered
all over the place. His heart, most likely!!!
It is done!!! What now remains for men??? You should know by now.
Doesn't that throw a spanner in the transubstantiation theology, and the
Protestant version of the transubstantiation! :-).
> In the days of Moses, the adulterer was to receive the death penalty.
The days of Moses are gone forever.
And if you whore with the world, you are already dead.
>
> If you lived in that day and married a woman whose husband did not first
> commit adultery you should have been put to death. When you remarried, and
> your first wife did not commit adultery, but then you remarried, you were the
> one now committing adultery, and your second wife as well.
What is that to do with now in Christ Jesus?? There is no law.
It was not so in the beginning, and it is no so now in Christ Jesus.
Sin is sin, wrong is wrong, and right is right, none the twain shall
meet. A gulf is fixed.
>
> Are you not happy that Jesus did not come to condemn you? But to save you?
More so, I am eternally thankful.
> Now that does not mean you will not pay the social price to be paid in this
> life, since there is alway pain in such situations of some sort, even if only
> financial.
What has that to do with me?
Col_1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath
==>> translated<<== us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Notice again, this world is the "power of darkness", and there are a
hell of a lot of sinners running around in it and of it supposedly doing
good!
>> Robert wrote:
>>> And the Jew was known as a stiff necked person. Which is why God allowed
>>> divorces yet forbid remarriage, unless a person divorced because of
>>> adultery, then the offended person was allowed to remarry.
>> Not relevant.
Robert wrote:
> You are the one who brought up the divorce issue.
I wasn't talking about divorce, the Lord was talking about "in the
beginning it was not so". You missed it because (once again), you are
not looking for truth as a priority, you are looking to find fault to
crucify me because I oppose your religious beliefs.
After all, what if what I have been saying all these years was true?
:-). Shock, horror!! :-).
Wouldn't that be devastating to your cause with all the accusations and
condemnation you have levelled at me over the years, and even now??!!
>>
>>
>>> Look at the Mosaic laws see how judgment is handed out for various sins
>>> against men as well as trespassing. One of your big mistakes, and not you
>>> only, but most of us, is that we think of sin and hardcore sin. Trespassing
>>> is often written in English as Sin. Sin can be accidental, or a side slip,
>>> unintentional. And for years I have asked people here in these NG's what sin
>>> is, according to the word of God, with virtually no response.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Sin is sin, and you want the response you want to hear.
>>
>> Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind. You were told
>> Sin is sin, and you want the response you want to hear.
>>
>> that ages ago.
>>
>> And no, it hasn't changed.
Robert wrote:
>>
>> And no, it hasn't changed.
> Your understanding has not changed and it is incompatible with the Word of
> the Lord. You are as stiff-necked as any Jew ever was, and that is to your
> detriment.
Again with the accusation and condemnation, and because I tell you the
truth?? What next, rush at me to stone me. Ummm, too late! :-).
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
It obvious.
It is a little too comprehensive for Duane et al., I know. :-).
Nevertheless.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
>>>>
>>>> And sin, my friend, is sin.
>>>
>>> Then put a definition on it. And then ask yourself, what is it "to err"?
Michael Christ wrote:
>> You have been told, again, and again, and again.
>>
>> It has always been the sin that determines all iniquity.
Robert wrote:
>> You have been told, again, and again, and again.
>>
>> It has always been the sin that determines all iniquity.
> The Word determines iniquity, you appear to not want to deal with the issues.
God determines iniquity, not your interpretation of the biblical text.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
If you can't get that, all you have is a shallow understanding of sin
and of the nature of God and His salvation.
Put your personally guided bible down, and listen to and for the Lord
Jesus...like I do...He is a Person. Ink is only about Him. It is not
enough.
>>> “And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye
>>> know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?” (Mar 12:24)
>>>
>>> “Do not err, my beloved brethren.” (Jas 1:16)
>>>
>>> “Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing
>>> psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;
>>> and
>>> let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And
>>> the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
>>> and
>>> if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults
>>> one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The
>>> effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man
>>> subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might
>>> not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six
>>> months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one
>>> convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the
>>> error of his way shall save a soul from death,
>>
>>> and shall hide a multitude of
>>> sins.” (Jas 5:13-20)
>>
>> That last bit, such is the desire toward all those a son of God speaks,
>> except another son of God; no need.
>
> healing
A son of God is healed.
> "If there be one among you" meaning the assembly. It also brings in the fact
> that when that believing brother is healed that "if" and the word clearly
> means "if", "if he has committed any sins" he shall be forgiven of them.
It is too fantastical for you, I know, but a son of God has all he needs
and will ever need.
You are speaking about the called, not the chosen.
>>> Interesting is it not? "If he has committed sin", "Confess your Faults", "if
>>> any err from the Truth".
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> Such is the disposition of the "called", but not the "chosen". Duane
>> needs to ask the question amidst all his complaining about his
>> church/churches, "Are we really The Church?"
>
> functioning member of the Body of Christ Jesus. Duane knows this as well.
Duane is not "The Church", nor does he represent "The Church". He is
not born again, yet he has set himself up in the Holy Place as though he
is, and since you can't see that, it is a very big problem.
Maybe one day the penny will drop, and then your eyes will be opened.
>>
>>
>>> Look at this, it may be a sin to him, yet not to another.
>>>
>>> “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
>>> sin.” (Jas 4:17)
>>
>> Boil it down. You have been given the answer.
>
> person, and at the same time accusing them of not being of The Lord Jesus
> Christ, then it is that you know how to do good but you chose not to do it.
Who says I go on a cursing rant??
You according to your morals?? Are you the standard??
However, what if, like your understanding of Duane, your morals are
fucked up??
> Therefore, to you it is a sin.
There are no sinners in Christ Jesus, no double-dippers, no revolving
doors, no "gradations of sin concepts", much less "gradations of sin
concepts" according to the moral judgements of sinful men!
That is for sure!!!
IOW's, you did not follow the commandment to
> follow peace with all men, as much as possible. And when you saw yourself on
> a rant flow, you did not stop to ask God for support to be peaceful.
The Lord leads, I follow, just like now.
You have made a wonderful conclusion to your assumptions, Mein Fuhrer of
perfect worldly morals! :-).
All those people running around striving to do what is right in the
world, religious or otherwise, are striving to do it in a spiritual
environment that is hopelessly corrupt.
Just like your programmed religious morals, and are all tainted with a
sin perception and distinction. Or as Paul wrote it, "Glass darkly",
dark with sin in a sinful darkened world.
Psa_14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy:
there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Oh, you say, what about Michael Christ??
Well, I am no longer my own.
>>> We are not the arbiter of sin, what might be a sin to you may not be a sin
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> You have been told. It applies to all.
>
What did David say?? What did God say by putting it in our perception
in the Psalms??
Psalms 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil
in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be
clear when thou judgest.
"What you do wrong to your neighbour, you do wrong to God, because man
is made in His image. And what you do wrong to God, you do wrong to your
neighbour, because the fruit of those ways is rotten to those around you."
Or, whatever sin consequence happens to man, is deserved. I know, you
are going to find that hard. Nevertheless.
All men were born sinners, and don't deserve so much as a breath.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother
conceive me.
No, it doesn't mean David's mother was unfaithful with or to Jesse, it
means all men were born sinners...that is why all sin.
> Under the mosaic law is there not a graduated level
> of sin? With Graduated measurements of Judgments? Is that not a God given and
> sanctioned law of the day?
The law was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is fundamental to
any New Testament scholar with any understanding.
God only has one grade now, all or nothing. And now that you know what
sin truly is, you can apprehend that reality.
> Did not Jesus teach to forgive those that trespass against us if we are to
> expect forgiveness from God?
The sons of God are forgiven.
Forgiveness is not an action of the mind, it is a state of the natural
being in the heart of God, and in the sons of God.
Again, the called have to be told that, the chosen, the son of God just
'am' like that. He who has been forgiven much, loves much (meaning,
entirely).
> Is this not a theme in the book of James? Is
> this not a theme in the book of Corinthians when it comes to taking communion
> with the brethren and that one is to say, hang on, while he goes to a
> "brother" with whom he has aught against and forgive him or receive
> forgiveness, then come back to partake of communion? And if a person is too
> stiff necked to do it does it not say that for that reason many are sick and
> weak amongst you, some even to death?
>
> Is there a level of being a brother that is higher than his brethren, where
> one walks in exhalation that none else can achieve? Absolutely not.
Don't answer your own questions, because that is all you end up with.
I know it is hard to fathom, but once again you are talking about the
called. Called to what, though?? Yes, you know what that is by now.
To love the Lord thy...
A son of God does not need instruction in righteousness anymore (2 Tim
3:17 and has moved on from verse 16, from glory to glory), he just
listens in his heart to what the Lord of Righteousness, the Lord Jesus,
is saying and does it. He can do that because he really is a new
creature. Did Paul or James need anyone to write these things to them??
A son of God has entered into His rest.
Anyone can do it if they lay down their life for the sake of who He is,
but few are willing to do so! They prefer to have a go at crucifying
themselves, and where would the glory go then, if indeed it could?
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Verse 12: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>> PS Now ask yourself, can you justify adultery? That is, any sin against
>>>> God? From [in] the beginning it was not so, and in Christ Jesus it is
>>>> not so.
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
> And as to justifying, Jesus is the justifier by his blood covering over the
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>> PS Now ask yourself, can you justify adultery? That is, any sin against
>>>> God? From [in] the beginning it was not so, and in Christ Jesus it is
>>>> not so.
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
> believer.
No one is running around dripping with the blood of Jesus, especially
with sin in their lives!
It is a fantasy.
The Lord Jesus' blood was spilled, it is dead and gone; He was
resurrected and now has a new heavenly body. He died for the sins of
the whole world. God does not look down and see His blood splattered
all over the place. His heart, most likely!!!
It is done!!! What now remains for men??? You should know by now.
Doesn't that throw a spanner in the transubstantiation theology, and the
Protestant version of the transubstantiation! :-).
> In the days of Moses, the adulterer was to receive the death penalty.
The days of Moses are gone forever.
And if you whore with the world, you are already dead.
>
> If you lived in that day and married a woman whose husband did not first
> commit adultery you should have been put to death. When you remarried, and
> your first wife did not commit adultery, but then you remarried, you were the
> one now committing adultery, and your second wife as well.
What is that to do with now in Christ Jesus?? There is no law.
It was not so in the beginning, and it is no so now in Christ Jesus.
Sin is sin, wrong is wrong, and right is right, none the twain shall
meet. A gulf is fixed.
>
> Are you not happy that Jesus did not come to condemn you? But to save you?
More so, I am eternally thankful.
> Now that does not mean you will not pay the social price to be paid in this
> life, since there is alway pain in such situations of some sort, even if only
> financial.
What has that to do with me?
==>> translated<<== us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Notice again, this world is the "power of darkness", and there are a
hell of a lot of sinners running around in it and of it supposedly doing
good!
Michael Christ
Dec 11, 2021, 10:14:09 PM12/11/21
to
On 12/12/2021 12:11 pm, Robert wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sp3f5p$39c$5...@dont-email.me>):
> was in full agreement with you? So you are here pulling a PKB on me for all
> the reasons you accused me of just below this sentence.
I don't really know what you are talking about.
You said, "You are the one who brought up the divorce issue".
No, I didn't, I brought up "In the beginning it was not so". Divorce
was mentioned in the bible quote, but I was not referring to that.
I thought that was perfectly clear.
>> After all, what if what I have been saying all these years was true?
>>> -). Shock, horror!! :-).
>>
>> Wouldn't that be devastating to your cause with all the accusations and
>> condemnation you have levelled at me over the years, and even now??!!
>
> This should show you, if you allowed it to, that all along you have been
> misreading me, and therefore your accusations, like I am somehow in
> competition with you. I never have been, and I still am not.
You are in competition with me, Robert, you have always been.
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the Mosaic laws see how judgment is handed out for various sins
>>>>> against men as well as trespassing. One of your big mistakes, and not you
>>>>> only, but most of us, is that we think of sin and hardcore sin.
>>>>> Trespassing
>>>>> is often written in English as Sin. Sin can be accidental, or a side slip,
>>>>> unintentional. And for years I have asked people here in these NG's what
>>>>> sin
>>>>> is, according to the word of God, with virtually no response.
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Sin is sin, and you want the response you want to hear.
>>>>
>>>> Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind. You were told
>>>> that ages ago.
>>>>
>>>> And no, it hasn't changed.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> Your understanding has not changed and it is incompatible with the Word of
>>> the Lord. You are as stiff-necked as any Jew ever was, and that is to your
>>> detriment.
>>
>> Again with the accusation and condemnation, and because I tell you the
>> truth?? What next, rush at me to stone me. Ummm, too late! :-).
>
> Stone you? When you are the one butting your head against the Rock of Ages?
Your religion is not the Rock of Ages, Robert. It is fallen sinful men
doctrine. E.g. Duane.
>>
>>
>> "Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>> It obvious.
>
> To follow peace with all men?
You can't without the above.
> “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see
> the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any
> root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;”
> (Heb 12:14-15)
As above.
You have to get this through of everything is a waste of time...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
> interpretation.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
And sin blinds a person.
>>
>>
>> "Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>> If you can't get that, all you have is a shallow understanding of sin
>> and of the nature of God and His salvation.
>
> Your definition and your personal judgments as well.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
God's definition.
>>
>>
>> Put your personally guided bible down, and listen to and for the Lord
>> Jesus...like I do...He is a Person. Ink is only about Him. It is not
>> enough.
>
> “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Rom
> 10:17)
The hear...in Person...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>
> Ink plus the comforter bears witness of him. Without the scriptures you would
> have known nothing, and for certain you would have had not one thing to
> verify whether or not a person speaking of God was a true or false witness,
> unless there were signs and wonders following the teachings of men regarding
> Jesus.
The bible is there to bring you to Him. He is a Person.
>
> You do little in expounding upon Jesus, you are like a good old boy from the
> American Southern Baptist hammering upon sin and death. Where is the life in
> what you speak, where is the hope? Where is the esteeming of others as
> greater than yourself? Where is Jesus within you?
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
It is the truth that sets you free.
> So according to Michael, all who die from Cancer, Covid, Aids, or any disease
> of death causing accident is a sinner? Lost forever?
A son of God is healed even if he dies of cancer. Gotta die of
something, I suppose! :-).
> “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being
> dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were
> healed.” (1Pe 2:24) Also prophesied in Isaiah.
Then you are not going to die.
What kind of vitamins are you taking?? :-).
>
>>
>>
>>> "If there be one among you" meaning the assembly. It also brings in the fact
>>> that when that believing brother is healed that "if" and the word clearly
>>> means "if", "if he has committed any sins" he shall be forgiven of them.
>>
>> It is too fantastical for you, I know, but a son of God has all he needs
>> and will ever need.
>>
>> You are speaking about the called, not the chosen.
>
> I speak of all who have been born again. Jesus saves and heals sinners. The
> prayer of Faith will heal the brothers in Christ, etc., etc.
Sometimes, depending on the will of God. It may blow here, it may blow
there, as well you know.
But ultimately, our physical bodies will pass away.
>>
>>
>>>>> Interesting is it not? "If he has committed sin", "Confess your Faults",
>>>>> "if
>>>>> any err from the Truth".
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>> Such is the disposition of the "called", but not the "chosen". Duane
>>>> needs to ask the question amidst all his complaining about his
>>>> church/churches, "Are we really The Church?"
>>>
>>> Every Born Again believer is of the Assembly "the church". They are a fully
>>> functioning member of the Body of Christ Jesus. Duane knows this as well.
>>
>> Duane is not "The Church", nor does he represent "The Church". He is
>> not born again, yet he has set himself up in the Holy Place as though he
>> is, and since you can't see that, it is a very big problem.
>>
>> Maybe one day the penny will drop, and then your eyes will be opened.
>
> I did not say that Duane IS "The Church" I did state what Duane believes as
> does everyone born of God.
He states his church is The Church, it is not.
>
> Again, I refer you to your PKB Statements above about misreading and
> misapplications.
You are misjudging me, as usual.
> At this minute, God is speaking to you, but you are not listening to him.
[exasperation]
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
There is no way around it or excuse.
>>>>> Look at this, it may be a sin to him, yet not to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it
>>>>> is
>>>>> sin.” (Jas 4:17)
>>>>
>>>> Boil it down. You have been given the answer.
>>>
>>> OK, let's get personal on this. When you go on a cursing rant against a
>>> person, and at the same time accusing them of not being of The Lord Jesus
>>> Christ, then it is that you know how to do good but you chose not to do it.
>>
>> Who says I go on a cursing rant??
>>
>> You according to your morals?? Are you the standard??
>>
>> However, what if, like your understanding of Duane, your morals are
>> fucked up??
>>
>>> Therefore, to you it is a sin.
>>
>> There are no sinners in Christ Jesus, no double-dippers, no revolving
>> doors, no "gradations of sin concepts", much less "gradations of sin
>> concepts" according to the moral judgements of sinful men!
>>
>> That is for sure!!!
>
> Then I will leave you in your vomit. You have an axe to grind, not a witness
> to show.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>
> I was discussing the Word of God and how it applies across the board. God is
> not respecter of person. That includes you as well.
You don't decide how it applies across the board.
You can't even apply this simply truth across the board...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
No respect of persons.
>
> I can see no reason to give you more pearls to trample underfoot at this
> time.
You are doing the trampling.
I showed you the respect to reply to your concerns, you have not offered
me the same.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
You need to read and understand the below, it seeks to bring down that
statement above about your life.
Michael Christ
> On Dec 11, 2021, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <sp3f5p$39c$5...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> (snipped, as we have been over it).
>>
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> And the Jew was known as a stiff necked person. Which is why God allowed
>>>>> divorces yet forbid remarriage, unless a person divorced because of
>>>>> adultery, then the offended person was allowed to remarry.
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Not relevant.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> You are the one who brought up the divorce issue.
>>
>> I wasn't talking about divorce, the Lord was talking about "in the
>> beginning it was not so". You missed it because (once again), you are
>> not looking for truth as a priority, you are looking to find fault to
>> crucify me because I oppose your religious beliefs.
>
> If that were so, then why is it that in the paragraph you did not snip out I
>> (snipped, as we have been over it).
>>
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> And the Jew was known as a stiff necked person. Which is why God allowed
>>>>> divorces yet forbid remarriage, unless a person divorced because of
>>>>> adultery, then the offended person was allowed to remarry.
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Not relevant.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> You are the one who brought up the divorce issue.
>>
>> I wasn't talking about divorce, the Lord was talking about "in the
>> beginning it was not so". You missed it because (once again), you are
>> not looking for truth as a priority, you are looking to find fault to
>> crucify me because I oppose your religious beliefs.
>
> was in full agreement with you? So you are here pulling a PKB on me for all
> the reasons you accused me of just below this sentence.
I don't really know what you are talking about.
You said, "You are the one who brought up the divorce issue".
No, I didn't, I brought up "In the beginning it was not so". Divorce
was mentioned in the bible quote, but I was not referring to that.
I thought that was perfectly clear.
>> After all, what if what I have been saying all these years was true?
>>> -). Shock, horror!! :-).
>>
>> Wouldn't that be devastating to your cause with all the accusations and
>> condemnation you have levelled at me over the years, and even now??!!
>
> misreading me, and therefore your accusations, like I am somehow in
> competition with you. I never have been, and I still am not.
You are in competition with me, Robert, you have always been.
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the Mosaic laws see how judgment is handed out for various sins
>>>>> against men as well as trespassing. One of your big mistakes, and not you
>>>>> only, but most of us, is that we think of sin and hardcore sin.
>>>>> Trespassing
>>>>> is often written in English as Sin. Sin can be accidental, or a side slip,
>>>>> unintentional. And for years I have asked people here in these NG's what
>>>>> sin
>>>>> is, according to the word of God, with virtually no response.
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Sin is sin, and you want the response you want to hear.
>>>>
>>>> Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind. You were told
>>>> that ages ago.
>>>>
>>>> And no, it hasn't changed.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> Your understanding has not changed and it is incompatible with the Word of
>>> the Lord. You are as stiff-necked as any Jew ever was, and that is to your
>>> detriment.
>>
>> Again with the accusation and condemnation, and because I tell you the
>> truth?? What next, rush at me to stone me. Ummm, too late! :-).
>
Your religion is not the Rock of Ages, Robert. It is fallen sinful men
doctrine. E.g. Duane.
>>
>>
>> "Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>> It obvious.
>
You can't without the above.
> “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see
> the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any
> root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;”
> (Heb 12:14-15)
As above.
You have to get this through of everything is a waste of time...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>> It is a little too comprehensive for Duane et al., I know.:-).
>>
>> Nevertheless.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And sin, my friend, is sin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then put a definition on it. And then ask yourself, what is it "to err"?
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> You have been told, again, and again, and again.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been the sin that determines all iniquity.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> The Word determines iniquity, you appear to not want to deal with the
>>> issues.
>>
>> God determines iniquity, not your interpretation of the biblical text.
>
> Jesus is The Word. The word, in context is difficult for a false
>>
>> Nevertheless.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, eunuchs are something, and they are not something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And sin, my friend, is sin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then put a definition on it. And then ask yourself, what is it "to err"?
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> You have been told, again, and again, and again.
>>>>
>>>> It has always been the sin that determines all iniquity.
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> The Word determines iniquity, you appear to not want to deal with the
>>> issues.
>>
>> God determines iniquity, not your interpretation of the biblical text.
>
> interpretation.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>>
>> "Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>> If you can't get that, all you have is a shallow understanding of sin
>> and of the nature of God and His salvation.
>
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>
>>
>> Put your personally guided bible down, and listen to and for the Lord
>> Jesus...like I do...He is a Person. Ink is only about Him. It is not
>> enough.
>
> 10:17)
The hear...in Person...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>
> have known nothing, and for certain you would have had not one thing to
> verify whether or not a person speaking of God was a true or false witness,
> unless there were signs and wonders following the teachings of men regarding
> Jesus.
The bible is there to bring you to Him. He is a Person.
>
> You do little in expounding upon Jesus, you are like a good old boy from the
> American Southern Baptist hammering upon sin and death. Where is the life in
> what you speak, where is the hope? Where is the esteeming of others as
> greater than yourself? Where is Jesus within you?
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
> of death causing accident is a sinner? Lost forever?
A son of God is healed even if he dies of cancer. Gotta die of
something, I suppose! :-).
> “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being
> dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were
> healed.” (1Pe 2:24) Also prophesied in Isaiah.
Then you are not going to die.
What kind of vitamins are you taking?? :-).
>
>>
>>
>>> "If there be one among you" meaning the assembly. It also brings in the fact
>>> that when that believing brother is healed that "if" and the word clearly
>>> means "if", "if he has committed any sins" he shall be forgiven of them.
>>
>> It is too fantastical for you, I know, but a son of God has all he needs
>> and will ever need.
>>
>> You are speaking about the called, not the chosen.
>
> prayer of Faith will heal the brothers in Christ, etc., etc.
Sometimes, depending on the will of God. It may blow here, it may blow
there, as well you know.
But ultimately, our physical bodies will pass away.
>>
>>
>>>>> Interesting is it not? "If he has committed sin", "Confess your Faults",
>>>>> "if
>>>>> any err from the Truth".
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>> Such is the disposition of the "called", but not the "chosen". Duane
>>>> needs to ask the question amidst all his complaining about his
>>>> church/churches, "Are we really The Church?"
>>>
>>> Every Born Again believer is of the Assembly "the church". They are a fully
>>> functioning member of the Body of Christ Jesus. Duane knows this as well.
>>
>> Duane is not "The Church", nor does he represent "The Church". He is
>> not born again, yet he has set himself up in the Holy Place as though he
>> is, and since you can't see that, it is a very big problem.
>>
>> Maybe one day the penny will drop, and then your eyes will be opened.
>
> does everyone born of God.
He states his church is The Church, it is not.
>
> Again, I refer you to your PKB Statements above about misreading and
> misapplications.
You are misjudging me, as usual.
> At this minute, God is speaking to you, but you are not listening to him.
[exasperation]
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>>>>> Look at this, it may be a sin to him, yet not to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it
>>>>> is
>>>>> sin.” (Jas 4:17)
>>>>
>>>> Boil it down. You have been given the answer.
>>>
>>> OK, let's get personal on this. When you go on a cursing rant against a
>>> person, and at the same time accusing them of not being of The Lord Jesus
>>> Christ, then it is that you know how to do good but you chose not to do it.
>>
>> Who says I go on a cursing rant??
>>
>> You according to your morals?? Are you the standard??
>>
>> However, what if, like your understanding of Duane, your morals are
>> fucked up??
>>
>>> Therefore, to you it is a sin.
>>
>> There are no sinners in Christ Jesus, no double-dippers, no revolving
>> doors, no "gradations of sin concepts", much less "gradations of sin
>> concepts" according to the moral judgements of sinful men!
>>
>> That is for sure!!!
>
> to show.
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>
> not respecter of person. That includes you as well.
You don't decide how it applies across the board.
You can't even apply this simply truth across the board...
"Sin is not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind."
>
> I can see no reason to give you more pearls to trample underfoot at this
> time.
You are doing the trampling.
I showed you the respect to reply to your concerns, you have not offered
me the same.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".
statement above about your life.
Michael Christ
El Kabong
Dec 12, 2021, 4:53:16 AM12/12/21
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Michael Christ <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 12:11 pm, Robert wrote:
> > This should show you, if you allowed it to, that all along you have been
> > misreading me, and therefore your accusations, like I am somehow in
> > competition with you. I never have been, and I still am not.
>
> You are in competition with me, Robert, you have always been.
Do you think you know scripture as well as Robert does?
> On 12/12/2021 12:11 pm, Robert wrote:
> > This should show you, if you allowed it to, that all along you have been
> > misreading me, and therefore your accusations, like I am somehow in
> > competition with you. I never have been, and I still am not.
>
> You are in competition with me, Robert, you have always been.
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