Pastor Romaine dead
Douglas Nicholson
Wednesday at about noon.
Anyone who fellowshipped at Big Calvary surely knew Romaine.
Romaine seeing the writing on the wall retired after Brian Broderson came on
board with Big Calvary.
Our prayers go out to Romaine's family and friends.
CCCM will have details on funeral services when they have been finalized.
call 714 979-4422 for details
Douglas Nicholson
Ken Smith
> Just got word that CCCM pastor Romaine AKA #2 has passed away this past
> Wednesday at about noon.
But Fat Bastard is still alive and well.
> Anyone who fellowshipped at Big Calvary surely knew Romaine.
> Romaine seeing the writing on the wall retired after Brian Broderson came on
> board with Big Calvary.
>
> Our prayers go out to Romaine's family and friends.
> CCCM will have details on funeral services when they have been finalized.
> call 714 979-4422 for details
Caesar salad will be served.
Douglas Nicholson
"Ken Smith" <Rang...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:3C5005B3...@concentric.net...
> Caesar salad will be served.
Lettice us always be thankful.
Ken Smith
Couldn't resist. :) In all seriousness, may all involved be well.
Douglas Nicholson
> >
> > > Caesar salad will be served.
> >
>
KS> Couldn't resist. :) In all seriousness, may all involved be well.
Lets toss it around and see
TheName888
Better be respectful regarding Pastor Romaine or we may get a TOS from God.
---------------
Thanks Doug N. I only heard about him from this newsgroup. May his family be
comforted that he is alive :)
Phil 1:21-23
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I
shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be
with Christ; which is far better:
(KJV)
___________________________________
"Reasons last step is the recognition that there is an infinite number of
things that go beyond it"---Blaise Pascal.
Douglas Nicholson
news:20020125140115...@mb-me.aol.com...
> >
> >In response to Ken
> >"Ken Smith" <Rang...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> >news:3C509CD9...@concentric.net...
> >> >
> >> > > Caesar salad will be served.
> >> >
> >DN> > Lettice always be thankful.
> >>
> >KS> Couldn't resist. :) In all seriousness, may all involved be well.
> >
> >Lets toss it around and see
> >
>
> Better be respectful regarding Pastor Romaine or we may get a TOS from
God.
> ---------------
> Thanks Doug N. I only heard about him from this newsgroup. May his family
be
> comforted that he is alive :)
Romaine was bit of an icon around CCCM. He also dealt with a lot of the
crapy issues around CCCM, sort of the point man who had to take the brunt of
issues so that Pastor Chuck could remain the "big smiliing nice guy." Its
hard to picture Chuck as a prick, Romaine on ther other hand...........
I got word that services for Romaine will be at Big Calvary on Monday the
28th of Jan at 1:00PM
Douglas Nicholson
site.
http://members.tripod.com/ccfuaq/whoami.htm
"I was baptized by Pastor Romaine since the line for Pastor Chuck was a
couple of hours long and Romaine had almost no line"
Some say Romaine missed his opportunity with Doug G. ;)
Service for Pastor Romaine will be at Big Calvary on Monday the 28th of Jan
at 1:00PM
TheName888
Pastor Chuck owes so many people...
>I got word that services for Romaine will be at Big Calvary on Monday the
>28th of Jan at 1:00PM
Thanks for the info.
Doug
> Romaine was bit of an icon around CCCM. He also dealt with a lot of the
> crapy issues around CCCM, sort of the point man who had to take the brunt of
> issues so that Pastor Chuck could remain the "big smiliing nice guy." Its
> hard to picture Chuck as a prick, Romaine on ther other hand...........
Everybody that I know hated dealing with Drill Sargent Romanine.
Wasn't he retired for a while anyway?
Doug
Thanks for the notice. Too bad that funeral is during the day. All of
the bigwigs will be there for sure. Maybe a good photo op?
Ken Smith
> In response to "TheName888" <thena...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020125140115...@mb-me.aol.com...
> > >In response to Ken
> > >"Ken Smith" <Rang...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > >news:3C509CD9...@concentric.net...
> > >> >
> > >> > > Caesar salad will be served.
> > >> >
> > >DN> > Lettice always be thankful.
> > >>
> > >KS> Couldn't resist. :) In all seriousness, may all involved be well.
> > >
> > >Lets toss it around and see
> >
> > Better be respectful regarding Pastor Romaine or we may get a TOS from
> God.
It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
your deceased deity.
Doug
> It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
> your deceased deity.
There will be a response - at your sentencing hearing. AKA the final
judgment.
Heresay evidence is considered at sentencing hearings as well. So the
Gospels will be brought against you at that time.
Teresita
> It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
>your deceased deity.
He did respond, by coming here in person, and He indeed did die, but
then He rose again on the third day, and He will come again to judge
the living and the dead.
Ken Smith
What did the Calvary Chapel people *do* to you, anyway, Doug?
Gang-rape your wife, and father your firstborn? The guy's *DEAD*,
for cry-iy! Agnus Dei!!! Can't you leave your vendettas at home for
even a fortnight?
Ken Smith
I'd like to believe that. But as certain people have suggested here,
I'm not entitled to make inferences. :)
Teresita
Doug wants to see you punished, Ken. Hence the gospels he says will be used
against you are called by Doug the "Good News."
TheName888
> It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
>your deceased deity.
>
>
What strikes me most about God is how faithful he is. His riches and mercy are
unending. I see responses from God all the time.
If your blind what can I say...
Matt 15:13-14
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath
not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(KJV)
Why were you rooted up?
Doug
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> > Douglas Nicholson wrote:
> >
> > > Romaine was bit of an icon around CCCM. He also dealt with a lot of the
> > > crapy issues around CCCM, sort of the point man who had to take the brunt of
> > > issues so that Pastor Chuck could remain the "big smiliing nice guy." Its
> > > hard to picture Chuck as a prick, Romaine on ther other hand...........
> >
> > Everybody that I know hated dealing with Drill Sargent Romanine.
> >
> > Wasn't he retired for a while anyway?
>
> What did the Calvary Chapel people *do* to you, anyway, Doug?
Lots...
> Gang-rape your wife, and father your firstborn?
You are an obscene person.
> The guy's *DEAD*, for cry-iy! Agnus Dei!!!
So?
> Can't you leave your vendettas at home for
> even a fortnight?
ROTFL. There won't be that many tears at CCCM that day...
Doug
>
> Teresita wrote:
>
> > In article <3C52DB98...@concentric.net>, Ken says...
> >
> > > It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
> > >your deceased deity.
> >
> > He did respond, by coming here in person, and He indeed did die, but
> > then He rose again on the third day, and He will come again to judge
> > the living and the dead.
>
> I'd like to believe that.
Liar. You'd hate to believe that. It would ruin your entire
anti-Christian life.
Ken Smith
> In article <3C52A768...@pacbell.net>, Doug says...
> >
> >Ken Smith wrote:
> >
> >> It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
> >> your deceased deity.
> >
> >There will be a response - at your sentencing hearing. AKA the final
> >judgment.
> >
> >Heresay evidence is considered at sentencing hearings as well. So the
> >Gospels will be brought against you at that time.
>
> Doug wants to see you punished, Ken.
Just like he wants to see anyone and everyone from Calvary
Chapel punished. I mean, the guy can't turn it off!
I'm angry because I have a right to be. I don't see why he's
angrier than I am -- by several orders of magnitude.
Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
John Hattan
Nyaah. You see what a bruised ego has done to Doug regarding me. It
doesn't take much to turn on his obsessive-bit. The realization that his
nasty disposition and ridiculous "slutty teens should be executed"
theology put a big ole' glass-ceiling between him and CC pastorship was
enough to give him permanant residency in arcc-c.
Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm still waiting on that letter from
his lawyer regarding those comments that he demanded I retract. Over a
month and counting now. Apparently his lawyer ran from Doug faster than
the Passantinos did :)
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> > > Douglas Nicholson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Romaine was bit of an icon around CCCM. He also dealt with a lot of the
> > > > crapy issues around CCCM, sort of the point man who had to take the brunt of
> > > > issues so that Pastor Chuck could remain the "big smiliing nice guy." Its
> > > > hard to picture Chuck as a prick, Romaine on ther other hand...........
> > >
> > > Everybody that I know hated dealing with Drill Sargent Romanine.
> > >
> > > Wasn't he retired for a while anyway?
> >
> > What did the Calvary Chapel people *do* to you, anyway, Doug?
>
> Lots...
Will the truth actually come out this time?
> > Gang-rape your wife, and father your firstborn?
> You are an obscene person.
Doug, it is about the *only* viable explanation I can think of for
your obsessive and incessant hatred for all things Calvary Chapel.
CCCM is not a monopoly; if they wouldn't make you a minister --
and I'm pretty sure that that is what it is -- nothing stops you from
plying that trade in the church down the street.
I mean, what have "they" done to you -- personally -- that could
possibly justify your undying hatred?
> > The guy's *DEAD*, for cry-iy! Agnus Dei!!!
>
> So?
You really *can't* leave it alone, can you?
What *have* "they" done to you? Since they can't actually hurt
you in any other way, it *has* to have something to do with sex,
your children, or both. Have they counselled Justine to leave you?
And did she do it?
There has to be something, and if it is not their view that you are
emotionally unfit to be a minister, then your refusal to share it with
us suggests that it is both sexual and shocking.
> > Can't you leave your vendettas at home for even a fortnight?
>
> ROTFL. There won't be that many tears at CCCM that day...
Even Doug Nicholson -- no friend of Calvary -- was able to let
it go. Why can't you?
Doug
> > Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
> >that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
> Nyaah. You see what a bruised ego has done to Doug regarding me. It
> doesn't take much to turn on his obsessive-bit. The realization that his
> nasty disposition and ridiculous "slutty teens should be executed"
> theology put a big ole' glass-ceiling between him and CC pastorship was
> enough to give him permanant residency in arcc-c.
Your timeline is faulty.
I became a theonomist about 10 years ago, which was long after I became
alienated from Calvary Chapel. My alienation from Calvary Chapel
happened quite early on in my Christian experience. Bob and Gretchen
introduced me to theonomic writers and speakers such as the late Greg
Bahnsen. And I met Gretchen and Bob about 10 years ago now.
First hand observations of Chuck Smith at a semi-public CCCM board
meeting convinced me that he was not the public personna that I and
others had believed him to be. And belief in his character was all that
was left at that time for my admiration of CCCM because I'd already
realized his teaching was often un-Biblical.
Smith's carnal gloating over the impending jail sentence of the
California State School Superintendent Bill Hoenig (and I'm not a fan of
Hoenig in any way) made me start to see that this man doesn't pray for
his enemies. He attempts to destroy them by exercising the political
power of the pulpit against them.
Again, this was after I had already seen enough cracks to not believe in
Calvary Chapel. Some of these cracks started appearing within months in
the late 1978 timeframe. For me it was the "rapture" teaching. Smith's
teaching was so blatently false that within 6 months of becoming a
Christian I knew that he was teaching false doctrine in this area.
Doug
> > > Gang-rape your wife, and father your firstborn?
>
> > You are an obscene person.
>
> Doug, it is about the *only* viable explanation I can think of for
> your obsessive and incessant hatred for all things Calvary Chapel.
> CCCM is not a monopoly; if they wouldn't make you a minister --
> and I'm pretty sure that that is what it is -- nothing stops you from
> plying that trade in the church down the street.
>
> I mean, what have "they" done to you -- personally -- that could
> possibly justify your undying hatred?
>
> What *have* "they" done to you? Since they can't actually hurt
> you in any other way, it *has* to have something to do with sex,
> your children, or both. Have they counselled Justine to leave you?
> And did she do it?
>
> There has to be something, and if it is not their view that you are
> emotionally unfit to be a minister, then your refusal to share it with
> us suggests that it is both sexual and shocking.
To you all things are homoerotic...
Doug
> Even Doug Nicholson -- no friend of Calvary -- was able to let
> it go. Why can't you?
You are confused, Douglas N. is a regular at CC.
Ken Smith
> Smith's carnal gloating over the impending jail sentence of the
> California State School Superintendent Bill Hoenig (and I'm not a fan of
> Hoenig in any way) made me start to see that this man doesn't pray for
> his enemies. He attempts to destroy them by exercising the political
> power of the pulpit against them.
Doug Gilliland's carnal gloating over the Colorado Supreme
Court's illegal denial of a law license to Ken Smith should make
you start to see that that man doesn't pray for his enemies. He
attempts to destroy them by maliciously exercising the power of
the USENET pulpit (fortunately, without much wattage) against
them.
There is one set of rules for Pastor Chuck, and another set for
Doug Gilliland. The very *soul* of Christianity is hypocrisy.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith <Rang...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >Teresita wrote:
> >> In article <3C52A768...@pacbell.net>, Doug says...
> >> >Ken Smith wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It'd be nice to get some response -- ANY response -- from
> >> >> your deceased deity.
> >> >
> >> >There will be a response - at your sentencing hearing. AKA the final
> >> >judgment.
> >> >
> >> >Heresay evidence is considered at sentencing hearings as well. So the
> >> >Gospels will be brought against you at that time.
> >>
> >> Doug wants to see you punished, Ken.
> >
> > Just like he wants to see anyone and everyone from Calvary
> >Chapel punished. I mean, the guy can't turn it off!
> >
> > I'm angry because I have a right to be. I don't see why he's
> >angrier than I am -- by several orders of magnitude.
> >
> > Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
> >that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
> Nyaah. You see what a bruised ego has done to Doug regarding me.
If Doug denies that it is the bruising of his ego -- which we have
laid waste to more times than we need count -- and denies that it
is their decision not to groom him for the ministry on the grounds
that they found him mentally unstable, then the list of valid causes
is an extremely short one. It can't be disagreement with Calvary's
teaching, because he can always go over to the church next door.
By process of elimination, 'bout the only thing left is a sex scandal.
> It doesn't take much to turn on his obsessive-bit. The realization that his
>
> nasty disposition and ridiculous "slutty teens should be executed"
> theology put a big ole' glass-ceiling between him and CC pastorship was
> enough to give him permanant residency in arcc-c.
I'm inclined to agree that that is what it is -- but Doug denies it.
Kind of like how Larson claimed that Lori had nothing to do with
Dead Air: It would have been a facially valid explanation for the
DisneyWorld trip, had Bobbo simply admitted that Lori wrote the
book, and the trip was a reward for her first-rate efforts. No one
would have inquired further, including me.
But then, *other* dirt was uncovered....
Ken Smith
An image of the Calvary staff gang-raping your wife is "homoerotic?"
She must be a major-league train-wreck to make that statement true....
John Hattan
Or Doug lying.
>> It doesn't take much to turn on his obsessive-bit. The realization that his
>>
>> nasty disposition and ridiculous "slutty teens should be executed"
>> theology put a big ole' glass-ceiling between him and CC pastorship was
>> enough to give him permanant residency in arcc-c.
>
> I'm inclined to agree that that is what it is -- but Doug denies it.
>Kind of like how Larson claimed that Lori had nothing to do with
>Dead Air: It would have been a facially valid explanation for the
>DisneyWorld trip, had Bobbo simply admitted that Lori wrote the
>book, and the trip was a reward for her first-rate efforts. No one
>would have inquired further, including me.
It's pretty blindingly obvious that Doug saw the writing on the wall
that he'd be getting a CC pastorship shortly after Pat Robertson won the
presidency, and he's got a permanant bug up his ass about it.
> But then, *other* dirt was uncovered....
---
Teresita
> Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
>that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
What happened was simply the incident where Doug, while still a member of
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (but beginning to question the doctrines) got himself
permanently banned from the #calvary-chapel chatroom on Undernet. This led to
being banned from the Calvary-Chapel listserve (email group), which caused Doug
to resort to haunting alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel because there is no
authority.
DOUG: However, some of the individuals on this group were deceived by Joe and
his false promises not to ban me. They need to be held accountable for their bad
decisions and that's what I think Jesus would do in this instance.
JOE MARINO: Part one, Doug just does not seem to understand. He attacks people
constantly, barraging them with hateful rhetoric and greeting them with
hostility. He also breaks basic undernet ettiquette, using clones to get around
bans.
DOUG: You see, that's the problem. I am not sorry over anything. Should I be
sorry that I said I believe that Calvary Chapel is a cult? Why should I be sorry
for that? I believe it and was banned over it.
JOE: Problem one, it that Doug has lied about me in public, begging a public
reply. Problem two is that I went to Doug one on one in a chat room, then
with a brother. He still has refused to repent. What are we to do now,
Marshall? Thirdly, I can not e-mail Doug or he will file a report with my ISP
(going to law against a brother) with the false accusation that I am harassing
him.
TERESITA: Let every person be subordinate to the level 500 manager, for there is
no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God.
Therefore, whoever resists the level 500 manager opposes what God has appointed,
and those who oppose it will bring judgement upon themselves. For level 500
managers are not a cause of fear to good netiquette, but to trolls.
DOUG: Beloved, believe not every level 500 channel manager, but try the level
500 channel manager whether they are of God: because many false level 500
channel managers are gone out into the world.
JOE: All in all, what are we to do with a divisive man in God's economy?
I welcomed Doug and he spit in my face. I am running out of cheeks.
(Doug Gilliland then created a rival channel called "#Calvarychapel" solely for
the purpose of waiting for Joe Marino to show up so he can ban him in revenge.)
DOUG: Joe abuses the people who come to the group so he earned the ban.
I'd like to let him stay, but his behavior has been quite bad and the other
people don't like his abusive behavior.
JOE: All in all, Doug is disruptive. If it continues, then I will have no
choice but to agree with the other channel operators and ban him from using the
channel. I pray that we do not have to do that.
Ken Smith
Doug wrote:
> First hand observations of Chuck Smith at a semi-public CCCM board
> meeting convinced me that he was not the public personna that I and
> others had believed him to be. And belief in his character was all that
> was left at that time for my admiration of CCCM because I'd already
> realized his teaching was often un-Biblical.
>
> Smith's carnal gloating over the impending jail sentence of the
> California State School Superintendent Bill Hoenig (and I'm not a fan of
> Hoenig in any way) made me start to see that this man doesn't pray for
> his enemies. He attempts to destroy them by exercising the political
> power of the pulpit against them.
Doug thinks that a pastor should not attack his enemies....
Ergo, Doug is morally and ethically unfit to be a pastor.
Doug
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> > Smith's carnal gloating over the impending jail sentence of the
> > California State School Superintendent Bill Hoenig (and I'm not a fan of
> > Hoenig in any way) made me start to see that this man doesn't pray for
> > his enemies. He attempts to destroy them by exercising the political
> > power of the pulpit against them.
>
> Doug Gilliland's carnal gloating over the Colorado Supreme
> Court's illegal denial of a law license to Ken Smith should make
> you start to see that that man doesn't pray for his enemies.
I pray for you Ken. And I'm also greatful to the State of Colorado that
they choose to not let you practice law there. We all benefit from their
good sense.
Doug
> > Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
> >that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
> What happened was simply the incident where Doug, while still a member of
> Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (but beginning to question the doctrines) got himself
> permanently banned from the #calvary-chapel chatroom on Undernet. This led to
> being banned from the Calvary-Chapel listserve (email group), which caused Doug
> to resort to haunting alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel because there is no
> authority.
Actually, I don't think that I was ever banned from the listserve. I am
still on the listserve through a friend who they would never suspect who
forwards 100% of the content to me.
The listserve and arcc-c are long after my links with CC were damaged by
Chuck Smith's carnal actions and false teachings.
[clipped rest of flashback].
John Hattan
>In article <3C540599...@concentric.net>, Ken says...
>
>> Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
>>that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
>What happened was simply the incident where Doug, while still a member of
>Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (but beginning to question the doctrines) got himself
>permanently banned from the #calvary-chapel chatroom on Undernet. This led to
>being banned from the Calvary-Chapel listserve (email group), which caused Doug
>to resort to haunting alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel because there is no
>authority.
>
>DOUG: However, some of the individuals on this group were deceived by Joe and
>his false promises not to ban me. They need to be held accountable for their bad
>decisions and that's what I think Jesus would do in this instance.
>
>JOE MARINO: Part one, Doug just does not seem to understand. He attacks people
>constantly, barraging them with hateful rhetoric and greeting them with
>hostility. He also breaks basic undernet ettiquette, using clones to get around
>bans.
Boy, the more things change the more things stay the same, eh?
TheName888
> Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
>that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
>that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
Calvary Chapel teaches the scripture verse by verse....SHOCKING for a man who
believes in systemantic theologies recently made up, of course Doug is that
man.
___________________________________
brian
Teresita <redi...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:a316o...@drn.newsguy.com...
"You mean all this is about being banned from a usenet Channel and a
listserv on the Internet? That is amazing. Doug I hope you find peace, I
truly feel for you. The pain you carry must run real deep."
>
Ken Smith
It can't be that. Doug is a galaxy-class mental case, but that's
too trivial for even him to go as crazy as he has here. It has to
be something about Justine and one or more of the pastors....
Ken Smith
Teresita wrote:
> In article <3C540599...@concentric.net>, Ken says...
>
> > Something must have happened over at Calvary. Something
> >that would shock even us. Something Doug can't tell us about.
>
> What happened was simply the incident where Doug, while still a member of
> Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (but beginning to question the doctrines) got himself
> permanently banned from the #calvary-chapel chatroom on Undernet. This led to
> being banned from the Calvary-Chapel listserve (email group), which caused Doug
> to resort to haunting alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel because there is no
> authority.
Doug had a bug up his ass about Calvary Chapel long before the
listserv incident. And even a complete whack like Doug shouldn't
"go off" over something that trivial.
The only explanation that would make any sense, aside from the
theories Doug has denied, is that "something happened" between
Justine and one of the pastors, and no one in Calvary did anything
about it. Doug's kind of hate isn't something that comes out of the
blue....
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> >
> > > Smith's carnal gloating over the impending jail sentence of the
> > > California State School Superintendent Bill Hoenig (and I'm not a fan of
> > > Hoenig in any way) made me start to see that this man doesn't pray for
> > > his enemies. He attempts to destroy them by exercising the political
> > > power of the pulpit against them.
> >
> > Doug Gilliland's carnal gloating over the Colorado Supreme
> > Court's illegal denial of a law license to Ken Smith should make
> > you start to see that that man doesn't pray for his enemies.
>
> I pray for you Ken.
You are a known liar, doug. I don't believe that for a moment,
any more than you believe that Pastor Chuck prays for his. You
hate me with every fiber of your being, and your remarks prove
that every day -- some 900 posts in a month!!!
We see it in your conduct: the same conduct that you decry in
Pastor Chuck.
There's a hatred in you that won't go away. An anger that has
consumed you. And it's not the kind of thing caused by a mere
theological disagreement.
But what is it? You swear up and down that it has nothing to
do with their turning down your request to be a pastor, and the
Internet dispute is objectively trivial.
The only explanation that makes sense is that Justine became
involved with one of the pastors, and Pastor Chuck refused to
do anything about it.
Care to explain why you hate Pastor Chuck so -- or shall we
conclude that the only logical explanation left is the right one?
Teresita
>
>Actually, I don't think that I was ever banned from the listserve. I am
>still on the listserve through a friend who they would never suspect who
>forwards 100% of the content to me.
And you were never disfellowshipped from Calvary Chapel. You still attend
Calvary Chapel through a friend who they would never suspect who records the
sermons with a pocket dictation machine and forwards 100% of the content to you.
LOL!
Doug
> Calvary Chapel teaches the scripture verse by verse....SHOCKING for a man who
> believes in systemantic theologies recently made up, of course Doug is that
> man.
Did Jesus teach systematically or did Jesus teach verse by verse?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you
to
know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not
given.
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in
his
field:
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom
of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man
took, and
sowed in his field:
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven
is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of
meal,
till the whole was leavened.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a
field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof
goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man,
seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was
cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe [which is]
instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an
householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure [things] new and
old.
It appears that Jesus taught systematically. Bob doesn't like the way
that Jesus teaches and perfers the way that man (Chuck Smith) teaches.
Doug
> The only explanation that would make any sense, aside from the
> theories Doug has denied, is that "something happened" between
> Justine and one of the pastors, and no one in Calvary did anything
> about it. Doug's kind of hate isn't something that comes out of the
> blue....
Is this your reason for hating Larson? Did he do something to Cynthia?
Give Cindy our sympathy.
Doug
I was never disfellowshipped from CC or any other church.
I don't attend CC any longer. I could not in good conscience attend it
any longer.
If I want to record sermons I do it from the radio broadcasts.
Teresita
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > The only explanation that would make any sense, aside from the
> > theories Doug has denied, is that "something happened" between
> > Justine and one of the pastors, and no one in Calvary did anything
> > about it. Doug's kind of hate isn't something that comes out of the
> > blue....
>
> Is this your reason for hating Larson?
Larson tried to frame me for an arson threat. And then, by and
through his agents, he meddled in my licensure proceeding.
But I don't want Larson for that. I want his agents.
At least, one can see why I might be upset. I was deprived of
an asset of great value. But you refuse to admit anything that can
even colorably give rise to the kind of blindingly obvious hate you
harbor for Pastor Chuck. And if you *have* been honest in your
denial of other possible causes (e.g., refusal to support your goal
of becoming a minister), we should look elsewhere for the source
of your insatiable anger.
It's a simple process of elimination, Doug. Pastor Chuck and
his underlings must have done something pretty spectacular for
you to react like you have, unless you are so mentally unstable
that you are incapable of functioning any longer. And the only
theory that makes sense is that one of the assistant pastors got
it on with Justine, and Pastor Chuck didn't show him the door.
We can understand why you will never admit it, though....
Doug
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> > Ken Smith wrote:
> >
> > > The only explanation that would make any sense, aside from the
> > > theories Doug has denied, is that "something happened" between
> > > Justine and one of the pastors, and no one in Calvary did anything
> > > about it. Doug's kind of hate isn't something that comes out of the
> > > blue....
> >
> > Is this your reason for hating Larson?
>
> Larson tried to frame me for an arson threat.
Any proof of this attempted "framing"?
What was the basis of the claim?
Did you threaten arson?
> And then, by and
> through his agents, he meddled in my licensure proceeding.
You have no evidence of that.
> But I don't want Larson for that. I want his agents.
Sure you do. Your precious has long eluded you.
Doug
> It's a simple process of elimination, Doug. Pastor Chuck and
> his underlings must have done something pretty spectacular for
> you to react like you have, unless you are so mentally unstable
> that you are incapable of functioning any longer. And the only
> theory that makes sense is that one of the assistant pastors got
> it on with Justine, and Pastor Chuck didn't show him the door.
> We can understand why you will never admit it, though....
From this we have to conclude that Cynthia and Bob had an affair. Since
Ken sees this as the only explanation for an alleged obsession. Sounds
like he's projecting his personal life on others once again.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > It's a simple process of elimination, Doug. Pastor Chuck and
> > his underlings must have done something pretty spectacular for
> > you to react like you have, unless you are so mentally unstable
> > that you are incapable of functioning any longer. And the only
> > theory that makes sense is that one of the assistant pastors got
> > it on with Justine, and Pastor Chuck didn't show him the door.
> > We can understand why you will never admit it, though....
>
> From this we have to conclude that Cynthia and Bob had an affair. Since
> Ken sees this as the only explanation for an alleged obsession.
Nice clip, dougie. I didn't say that, but you *knew* that.
Still, it sounds as if I hit a nerve. I'm probably real close to the
hidden truth. Did he give you the clap, dougie? Syphillis can be
treated in its earliest stages, but if left untreated, its victims often
turn out just like you. :)
First off, it presupposes that unlike *you*, I have an obsession.
Bob Larson isn't even on my life radar screen these days, and he
hasn't been in years. Most of the recent work on der Begmeister
has been done by folks like John, Ken H., and Susan L. I'm not
a major player in that game -- and the game itself has been over
for all practical intents and purposes for years. I just report on it.
:)
When John got Bob kicked off the air in Dallas, it was all over.
You could stick a fork in him then.
Second, while I have a clearly identifiable right to be upset, you
haven't admitted anything that would justify your insatiable hatred
toward Pastor Chuck and his minions. I mean, if you really cared
about mail-order ministers dispensing spiritual cyanide, you'd be
out picketing TBN. And if you're being honest about not being
passed over for the ministry by CCCM -- a first for you, but I'll
accept it for sake of argument here -- then it shouldn't be a sore
spot. Hence, by a process of elimination, we must conclude that
there is something more personal -- and, more sordid! -- behind
the obsessive-complusive conduct you direct at Pastor Chuck.
Third, we find the Larson saga inherently funny. That people like
you are stupid enough to support con-artists like him is a source of
continuing amusement. You, on the other hand, seem to have had
your sense of humor surgically removed at the Disneyland staffers'
mens' room.
For me, Larson is a useful idiot. A symbol of what's wrong with
Christianity. We heathen actually like him where he is -- because
it proves almost conclusively that your god is dead or worse, and
that you ChristiaNazis can't clean up your own house. And since
the ChristiaNazis -- our American Taliban! -- are the real enemy,
I'm more than willing to play the Larson card against them.
I can empathize with your frustration. We have scoreboard, and
you don't. Many have contributed mightily to the effort to get der
Begmeister exposed; you are a lone wolf, scorned even by your
teachers (the Passantinos). Pastor Chuck's smiling visage can be
seen in a full church every weekend; these days, Bobbo Beggins
can only be seen by insomniacs, Tongans, and subscribers to Sky
Angel.
All this effort, only to be marginalized? Must suck for you.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> > > Ken Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only explanation that would make any sense, aside from the
> > > > theories Doug has denied, is that "something happened" between
> > > > Justine and one of the pastors, and no one in Calvary did anything
> > > > about it. Doug's kind of hate isn't something that comes out of the
> > > > blue....
> > >
> > > Is this your reason for hating Larson?
> >
> > Larson tried to frame me for an arson threat.
>
> Any proof of this attempted "framing"?
Yep. Records from the private investigator, along with the
police report. Irreconcilable contradictions....
> What was the basis of the claim?
The PI supposedly "traced" the mailing of the photograph to
a drop-box near my home. Problem is, FedEx records show
that it was physically impossible for the PI to have found what
he claimed to have found.
Fortunately, my opponents were amateurs -- if it had been
the $cientologists after me, I could have been in one world of
hurt.
> Did you threaten arson?
Of course not, you moron. I had absolutely nothing to do
with the incident -- and only learned about it when a fellow
law school classmate got me a copy of the police report.
> > And then, by and
> > through his agents, he meddled in my licensure proceeding.
>
> You have no evidence of that.
Yes, I do.
> > But I don't want Larson for that. I want his agents.
>
> Sure you do.
Damn straight, I do. And I have a fair chance of getting 'em.
Doug
> Still, it sounds as if I hit a nerve. I'm probably real close to the
> hidden truth. Did he give you the clap, dougie?
More homoerotic fantasies brought to you by Ken Smith...
Doug
> First off, it presupposes that unlike *you*, I have an obsession.
> Bob Larson isn't even on my life radar screen these days, and he
> hasn't been in years.
ROTFL. Thousands of posts in afb-l prove otherwise.
Doug
> Second, while I have a clearly identifiable right to be upset, you
> haven't admitted anything that would justify your insatiable hatred
> toward Pastor Chuck and his minions.
Difference is I don't hate...
Doug
> For me, Larson is a useful idiot.
Odd since that's how we view YOU.
Teresita
Let the facts speak for themselves:
Searched Groups for
bob larson
author:Rang...@concentric.net.
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,610.
Searched Groups for
bob larson
author:jaco...@pacbell.net.
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,480.
LOL!
Teresita
>
>Ken Smith wrote:
>
>> For me, Larson is a useful idiot.
>
>Odd since that's how we view YOU.
But you aren't even useful.
Doug
You need to do both of Ken Smith's email addresses.
It does take posts to refute Ken's posts. I wonder how many of mine were
refuting Ken's? Probably most of them.
Doug
> > > Larson tried to frame me for an arson threat.
> >
> > Any proof of this attempted "framing"?
>
> Yep. Records from the private investigator,
Let's see the report... Publish it.
> along with the police report.
Let's see the report... Publish it.
> Irreconcilable contradictions....
Between what you say and reality?
Doug
> > What was the basis of the claim?
>
> Fortunately, my opponents were amateurs -- if it had been
> the $cientologists after me, I could have been in one world of
> hurt.
IOW, if they were more competent investigators they would have been able
to prove that you were the firebug?
Doug
> > Did you threaten arson?
>
> Of course not, you moron.
I thought you called it your "high school prank".
> I had absolutely nothing to do
> with the incident
And we all know how well you tell the truth.
> -- and only learned about it when a fellow
> law school classmate got me a copy of the police report.
Interesting coincidence.
Doug
> Still, it sounds as if I hit a nerve. I'm probably real close to the
> hidden truth. Did he give you the clap, dougie? Syphillis can be
> treated in its earliest stages, but if left untreated, its victims often
> turn out just like you. :)
So you are saying now that you had an affair with Larson since that's
the only explanation for your actions? Jilted Lover?
Doug
> Second, while I have a clearly identifiable right to be upset, you
> haven't admitted anything that would justify your insatiable hatred
> toward Pastor Chuck and his minions.
Many of those minions are close personal friends. No hatred. More
accurately, I have sympathy for those sincere people who think that they
are doing God a service, but don't know better. They are not fed meat,
but are being fed milk.
> I mean, if you really cared
> about mail-order ministers dispensing spiritual cyanide, you'd be
> out picketing TBN.
What makes you believe that TBN is any better? Besides, I believe in
cleaning up things that I know about rather than, like you, something I
don't know about. CC is in my backyard. I was saved there. CC in SoCal
is like being LDS in SLC. TBN has very little influence.
> And if you're being honest about not being
> passed over for the ministry by CCCM
I never sought any ministry position, nor was I ever passed over. My
theology was different way too early for that to have even been a remote
possibility. CC only picks pastors who are pre-trib rapturists. I
abandoned that false theology within 6 months of conversion - by early
1979.
I have family members and close friends who lost their faith due to
Calvary Chapel teaching on 1981. For me, that's the cornerstone of their
theology - a lie.
> -- a first for you, but I'll
> accept it for sake of argument here -- then it shouldn't be a sore
> spot.
See above for the reason. I care because of what has happened to people
that I love. People that have been spiritually shipwrecked due to
Calvary Chapel. I know of no-one from TBN land that has happened to.
> Hence, by a process of elimination, we must conclude that
> there is something more personal -- and, more sordid! --
Hence your homoerotic fantasies.
> behind
> the obsessive-complusive conduct you direct at Pastor Chuck.
Refuting their false teaching is enough for me. The fact that it's in my
backyard and that I still have lots of friends in Calvary are enough for
me.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > > Did you threaten arson?
> >
> > Of course not, you moron.
>
> I thought you called it your "high school prank".
I didn't say it was *MY* high school prank, dipshit. But of
course, you knew that....
> > I had absolutely nothing to do with the incident
>
> And we all know how well you tell the truth.
We do. And of course, we ALL know that you are a total
stranger to the truth.
> > -- and only learned about it when a fellow
> > law school classmate got me a copy of the police report.
>
> Interesting coincidence.
Now, Doug's going to accuse a captain of the local police
force of complicity? LOL!
Doug
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> > Ken Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > Did you threaten arson?
> > >
> > > Of course not, you moron.
> >
> > I thought you called it your "high school prank".
>
> I didn't say it was *MY* high school prank, dipshit. But of
> course, you knew that....
Oh, that's right. You didn't admit to doing it.
Doug
> > Interesting coincidence.
>
> Now, Doug's going to accuse a captain of the local police
> force of complicity? LOL!
Hell, Ken if the entire Supreme Court of the State of Colorado is as
corrupt as your "corruptcourt.com" joke site indicates, then how hard
would it be to believe one single policeman would be corrupt?
After all, apparently you live at the center point of all human
corruption - Colorado. And all of the forces of corruption are pointed
at you - Ken Smith.
Then again, no one has ever accused you of not being paranoid...
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > > > Larson tried to frame me for an arson threat.
> > >
> > > Any proof of this attempted "framing"?
> >
> > Yep. Records from the private investigator,
>
> Let's see the report... Publish it.
>
> > along with the police report.
>
> Let's see the report... Publish it.
I will be happy to produce it -- to your pastor.
Ken Smith
Doug has never *admitted* to having gay sex in the mens' rooms
at Disneyland....
Ken Smith
If he gave it to Justine, and you actually still have sex with her....
Ken Smith
In a pig's eye. Your hatred for Pastor Chuck, Joe Marino, and
anyone else who crosses you is well documented.
Ken Smith
It proves what? Afb-l has been alt.fan.doug-gilliland for years, as
has arcc-c. You outpost me at least five-to-one. :)
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > Second, while I have a clearly identifiable right to be upset, you
> > haven't admitted anything that would justify your insatiable hatred
> > toward Pastor Chuck and his minions.
>
> Many of those minions are close personal friends. No hatred.
It is impossible to reconcile your conduct with that statement. I
personally doubt that you even have friends -- which is why you
spend so many hours on the Internet.
> More accurately, I have sympathy for those sincere people who think that
> they
> are doing God a service, but don't know better. They are not fed meat,
> but are being fed milk.
All you seem capable of feeding them is carrion. If God brought
you into my life to ensure that I would never return to the Christian
fold, he could hardly have fashioned a more effective instrument.
> > I mean, if you really cared
> > about mail-order ministers dispensing spiritual cyanide, you'd be
> > out picketing TBN.
>
> What makes you believe that TBN is any better? Besides, I believe in
> cleaning up things that I know about rather than, like you, something I
> don't know about.
First you claim I'm obsessed with Larson and then, you claim
that I don't know anything abouth him? Do try to make up your
mind, Chauncey.
> CC is in my backyard. I was saved there.
I see no evidence of that. All I see when I look at you and your
conduct is a hateful, spiteful, LITTLE man. With a gut the size of
a Buick, perhaps, but a *LITTLE* man nonetheless.
> CC in SoCal is like being LDS in SLC.
The LDS is in the *overwhelming* majority in Salt Lake City.
They have that kind of scoreboard? I didn't realize that Calvary
Chapel was THAT successful -- even though I lived in SoCal for
years. No wonder you are frustrated by your failure to put even
a dent in Calvary's reputation.
I'd love to hear what Pastor Chuck thinks of you, little man. Will
you waive confidentiality -- in front of them?
> TBN has very little influence.
>
> > And if you're being honest about not being
> > passed over for the ministry by CCCM
>
> I never sought any ministry position, nor was I ever passed over.
And if that statement is true -- and yours almost never are -- I
can eliminate that from the list of possible reasons for your crazy
obsession with Pastor Chuck and his friends.
> My theology was different way too early for that to have even been a
> remote
> possibility. CC only picks pastors who are pre-trib rapturists. I
> abandoned that false theology within 6 months of conversion - by early
> 1979.
>
> I have family members and close friends who lost their faith due to
> Calvary Chapel teaching on 1981.
Your wife is a heathen? No wonder you are so mad -- and why
you hate us heathen so!
> For me, that's the cornerstone of their theology - a lie.
For me, that's all you ever seem to spout -- lies.
Pastor Chuck may have made mistakes, but does it justify your
incessant and venomous fusillades?
> > -- a first for you, but I'll
> > accept it for sake of argument here -- then it shouldn't be a sore
> > spot.
>
> See above for the reason. I care because of what has happened to people
> that I love.
And do you harangue them mercilessly? Do you slander their
names all over the place? You claim that you care for me, but
the only manifestation of your love is attempts to injure me, and
I'm not the only one.
In short, your walk never matches your talk. In the last three
years, you have turned alt.fan.bob-larson into alt.fan.doug, with
virtually all of the posting having to do with you and your weird
obsession.
> People that have been spiritually shipwrecked due to
> Calvary Chapel.
Like Joe Marino? The hate, bile, and venom you have been
spitting belies your claim. (He is a Calvary Chapel pastor, and
you are not. Joe exhibits the biblical characteristics of a pastor
[1 Tim. 3], and you do not.)
> I know of no-one from TBN land that has happened to.
>
> > Hence, by a process of elimination, we must conclude that
> > there is something more personal -- and, more sordid! --
By your own admission in attacking me, none of the crap you
have spouted justifies the kind of relentless and malicious attack
you have initiated. You find it impossible that I would presume
to warn people about a blatant charlatan like Bob Larson (your
shrill objections to the sufficiency of the evidence are laughable,
as you refuse to give your precious Pastor Chuck anywhere near
the same latitude you give Larson), but expect us to believe that
your personal crusade is purely altruistic?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
> Hence your homoerotic fantasies.
The thought of a Calvary Chapel pastor screwing your wife,
and giving you the clap via proxy, is a "homoerotic fantasy?"
Doug, is there something you haven't told us about your "wife?"
> > behind
> > the obsessive-complusive conduct you direct at Pastor Chuck.
>
> Refuting their false teaching is enough for me.
That might explain the website, but it certainly doesn't explain
the venom you have unleashed on these NGs. You are either
not telling the truth, mentally disturbed, or both.
Teresita
Yeah, Bob was invited by another pastor to the men's bathroom at the Gayest
Place on Earth.
Teresita
the same amount of hate he reserves for other "heretics" and no more.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Doug (jaco...@pacbell.net)
Subject: Re: Ted, I'm STILL waiting for your answer (was Re: Theo and
Doug have Joe Marino Envy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel
Date: 2001-06-18 06:52:15 PST
"O. C. Swimmer" wrote:
> Why is it permissible for Doug to hate Joe?
What makes you think I hate Joe more than other heretic?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Teresita
>
> The thought of a Calvary Chapel pastor screwing your wife,
>and giving you the clap via proxy, is a "homoerotic fantasy?"
>Doug, is there something you haven't told us about your "wife?"
>
Yeah, his "wife" has the same amount of reality as his "seminary" and
the church where he is the "pastor." Which explains why he has so
much time to write thousands of posts on the internet.
M_Juren
> For me, Larson is a useful idiot. A symbol of what's wrong with
> Christianity.
Rather a sham-bol that you work to maintain in existence through your
dirty- handed and monopolistic web page, and your obstructive and
abusive "leadership".
We heathen actually like him where he is -- because
> it proves almost conclusively that your god is dead or worse, and
> that you ChristiaNazis can't clean up your own house.
Because you alienate enough Christians by your antics on the internet
and obstructionist and hateful "leadership" against one suspect
preacher you claim God is dead? You've yet to realize that just
because you're doing your best to bury God doesn't mean you're having
any effect at making Him dead.
And since
> the ChristiaNazis -- our American Taliban!
Read: hobgoblins.
-- are the real enemy,
> I'm more than willing to play the Larson card against them.
>
> I can empathize with your frustration. We have scoreboard
And the scoreboard is filled with goose eggs.
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith <Rang...@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<3C558053...@concentric.net>...
> > For me, Larson is a useful idiot. A symbol of what's wrong with
> > Christianity.
>
> Rather a sham-bol that you work to maintain in existence through your
> dirty- handed and monopolistic web page,
Since you can't be brilliant, you should at least strive to make
intelligible statements. How does one create a "monopolistic"
web page?
> and your obstructive and abusive "leadership".
I can lead Christians to knowledge -- but as you have proven
over and over again, I can't make you think.
> > We heathen actually like him where he is -- because
> > it proves almost conclusively that your god is dead or worse, and
> > that you ChristiaNazis can't clean up your own house.
>
> Because you alienate enough Christians by your antics on the internet
People like you are alien enough as it is.
> and obstructionist and hateful "leadership"
What on earth are you referring to?
> against one suspect preacher you claim God is dead?
Scoreboard is scoreboard. Your "god" hasn't taken out a for-
profit prophet since he chased them from the Temple nearly two
millenia ago.
> You've yet to realize that just
> because you're doing your best to bury God doesn't mean you're having
> any effect at making Him dead.
For all we know, he's already dead and buried -- in a shallow
common grave, somewhere in the city of Jerusalem. And if you
won't accept the evidence I produced against Larson, you can't
possibly accept the evidence for your missing-in-action messiah.
> > And since the ChristiaNazis -- our American Taliban!
>
> Read: hobgoblins.
You never *could* read, Juren.
> > -- are the real enemy,
> > I'm more than willing to play the Larson card against them.
> >
> > I can empathize with your frustration. We have scoreboard
>
> And the scoreboard is filled with goose eggs.
You must be looking at Doug vs. Calvary Chapel. Now,
THERE'S a trail of goose eggs....
Moe
Ever get the impression that d'ugh is like BL's jilted lover? It does
fit with the DYC tirade he does.
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
Captain of the Pagan Vampyre Cavalry-- saving cute and innocent necks everywhere!
yadumbass
> In short, your walk never matches your talk. In the last three
> years, you have turned alt.fan.bob-larson into alt.fan.doug, with
> virtually all of the posting having to do with you and your weird
> obsession.
LOL... ain't he a peach!
He's the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving...
---------
Craftsman
Ken Smith
Yup. The spiritual version of the clap.
Weather must suck in your neck of the woods today, Crafty....
> ---------
> Craftsman
Ken Smith
> Ken Smith wrote:
>
> > In short, your walk never matches your talk. In the last three
> > years, you have turned alt.fan.bob-larson into alt.fan.doug, with
> > virtually all of the posting having to do with you and your weird
> > obsession.
>
> LOL... ain't he a peach!
"And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and
the wicked, between those who serve God and those who will not."
-- Mal. 3:18
Just cleaning up some of my extraneous Larson pages, and found
this appropriate quote.... :)