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over the world via his radio station about the year 2011 AD with two
dates : May,21,2011 AD and October,21,2011 AD as the decisive dates
for mankind living now .He is 100% sure that Rapture is to take place
( some 200 000 000 people only ) in May and God will destroy the whole
universe with fire in October 2011 AD .There will be a period of 150
days or 5 months of hell on earth for more than 6 billion people who
will be left on earth .
Reasoning and calculations he uses seem to be very good especially
calculations with 7000 years since Noah's flood in 4990 BC and some
other important details you can learn about from his Open Forum
programs I am a vivid listener of.
The movie " 2012 " that just came out you can go and see .I don't
know if I see it because it would be a waste of time and money and I
believe it is not about a real end of the world the Bible is talking
about.
Nostradamus predictions are senseless but Mayan calendar can be of
interest to know but to som degree as it is not about what the Bible
teaches either.
Just compare the nature of the prediction I am giving and even what is
Harold Camping teaching about his proclamation and compare all.
Mayan calendar will not give you salvation the Bible is teaching
about.
And note the year 2011 AD is earlier than the year 2012 AD. You don't
wait untill the last moment but pick up the first available predicted
date and then if it fails you deal with the next one.
In happens that in my prediction I combined the two dates : 2011 AD
and 2012 AD.
There is one year Sept/Oct 2011 AD - Sept/Oct 2012 AD that is for the
establishment of God's Kingdom on earth. Camping is teaching otherwise
that Rapture of the saved will take place first and then the physical
universe will be destroyed which is a nonsense .
He misconstrued 2 Peter 3 where it says the old world was destroyed by
water and now the new heavens and earth are kept for the destruction
by fire . What old world was destroyed by water ? The evil one !
Sun ,stars and moon and earth remained the same after the Flood of
Noah.
So the new heavens and new earth must have spiritual connotation
( meaning ) .
And now just imagine Camping is 100% sure about the rapture and
destruction of the universe !
One miss in understanding draws other misunderstandings after it .
Camping is right on the year 2011 AD however but he has a body of so
many twisted doctrines .
In all if I had not come up with the year 2011 AD I would not believe
his 2011 AD proclamation.
He says Jesus is the Father ,Jesus is the Holy Ghost .
The end of the church era took place in 1988 AD ( spring ) and yet for
almost 20 years after that date he was teaching this horrible twisted
doctrine about literal hot hell for ever.
He defends Sunday as the Sabbath what most false religions are
teaching.He doesn't understand what is the new era of Sabbaths and it
has nothing to do with rest from physical job on Sunday.
He is using the Bible but Mayans had no idea what is the Bible and
true religion so we cannot trust Mayan calendar if we really mean
business.
OB...@aol.com
the best christian organization as they also teach about the end of
the evil world order ,not destruction of literal physical universe.
You can learn from my posts how important is sexual aspect of life if
we want to be happy always in the Paradise.
It is unimaginable to live eternally without sexual activities in the
context of marriage.
God's promises cannot be broken and He promises in Psalm 128 each and
every God-fearing servant will be blessed with wife and children.
There might be some who are now celibate or died being so and they
served God well .They must get wives in the Paradise and that will be
the fulfillment of Psalm 128.
duke
The answer is neither one. Only the Father knows. Not even Jesus, the man
knew, and you certainly don't.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Listen to Open Forum by Harold Camping what he is says about people
who believe true christians cannot know the time of Jesus' return .
OB...@aol.com
and spend a few days completely on studying what Harold Camping is
teaching about 2011 AD and check this discussion group what is being
written here on 2011 AD and 2012 .
OB...@aol.com
I am writing this as NASA published the information there will be no
end of the world in 2012 .
Ips-Switch
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> And here again we see that Jehovah's Witnesses should be considered as
> the best christian organization as they also teach about the end of
> the evil world order ,not destruction of literal physical universe.
JWs are *NOT* Christians.
>
> You can learn from my posts how important is sexual aspect of life if
> we want to be happy always in the Paradise.
Jesus said no one will be given in marriage after the resurrection.
Marriage would cause too much conflict in Paradise.
> It is unimaginable to live eternally without sexual activities in the
> context of marriage.
Why?
> God's promises cannot be broken and He promises in Psalm 128 each and
> every God-fearing servant will be blessed with wife and children.
If that's so why are there so many men like yourself who cannot find a woman
to have children with?
> There might be some who are now celibate or died being so and they
> served God well .They must get wives in the Paradise and that will be
> the fulfillment of Psalm 128.
And where will God get the wives from? If no woman wants them now, no woman
will want them in Paradise.
>
Sockie
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Harold Camping of the Family Radio Stations already sends the news all
> over the world via his radio station about the year 2011 AD with two
> dates : May,21,2011 AD and October,21,2011 AD as the decisive dates
> for mankind living now .He is 100% sure that Rapture is to take place
> ( some 200 000 000 people only ) in May and God will destroy the whole
> universe with fire in October 2011 AD .There will be a period of 150
> days or 5 months of hell on earth for more than 6 billion people who
Since you know he's a false prophet why do you keep listening to him? Why
don't you take up a pleasurable hobby?
Florence B. Nitengail
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Why do you keep shilling for a man you know is a false prophet and liar?
Parish *~
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Why study the words of a known false prophet? He's made many false
predictions in the past.
OB...@aol.com
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Your response shows how you don't understand the Bible and me .
Jesus had no wife on earth and that doesn't mean no woman wanted him !
Don't you understand that there might be people who stay celibate for
God's Kingdom sake ?
OB...@aol.com
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You want to try how much you understand the Bible ? Call Harold
Camping 1-800-322-5385 .
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Right now at this time about 11 PM I have a audiocassette running with
Open Forum with Harold Camping teaching.
I don't watch tv at home anymore . I tune to Family Radio for some
time and very little listen to commercial radio . I could run Open
Forum programs for hours daily .I have recorded many parts of Open
Forum on many cassettes.
You don't understand in what times we are living now . Just tune in
for a few Open Forum programs.
Call him or listen to Open Forum for some time may be he will get a
call from a listener calling him a false prophet and what his answer
will be .
Ips-Switch
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On Nov 13, 2:18�pm, "Ips-Switch" <Ips-Swi...@nospam.invalid>
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Your response shows how you don't understand the Bible and me .
::: You've already admitted you never read the bible, therefore you can't
understand what you have never read.
Jesus had no wife on earth and that doesn't mean no woman wanted him !
::: We don't know if Jesus was married or not since the RCC omitted scrolls
from what became the bible.
Don't you understand that there might be people who stay celibate for
God's Kingdom sake ?
::: There is nothing in the bible telling people they must remain celibate
for God's Kingdom. Gold told us to multiply and fill the earth. Had you
read the bible you would know this. Why haven't you obeyed God and married
to produce children?
Parish *~
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On Nov 13, 2:23�pm, "Parish *~" <Par...@invalid.invalid>
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Right now at this time about 11 PM I have a audiocassette running with
Open Forum with Harold Camping teaching.
= Even though you agree he's a false prophet and teaches nonsense. Why do
you refuse to address the issues and just post the same thing for months and
years?
I don't watch tv at home anymore . I tune to Family Radio for some
time and very little listen to commercial radio . I could run Open
Forum programs for hours daily .I have recorded many parts of Open
Forum on many cassettes.
= Why? What are you getting out of this obsession with Camping?
You don't understand in what times we are living now . Just tune in
for a few Open Forum programs.
= Why when everyone knows he's a false prophet. What is he doing with all
the money people send him?
Call him or listen to Open Forum for some time may be he will get a
call from a listener calling him a false prophet and what his answer
will be .
= It doesn't matter what his answer is, it doesn't change the fact that
every one of his predictions have been 100% wrong. Don't you agree?
Sockie
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Call him for what? Everyone knows he's a false prophet so why call him? You
yourself admitted he's WRONG!
Sockie
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Of course there will be no end. Why should there be?
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life in Paradise will be !
Ips-Switch
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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If they don't LIKE you and are not ATTRACTED to you, they will not want to
marry you or have sex and children with you. Why can't you understand that?
Jesus said none will be given in marriage and all will be as angels. Why do
you insist he lied?
You don't understand what Paradise will be like either. No one has come back
to tell us what it's like.
OB...@aol.com
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You don't understand the Bible . Jesus was speaking in
metaphors,parables,figures of speech- Matthew 13.11,34-35.
You should check my post history .I wrote on the subject Matthew
22.30.
Here I will give you another good example .
Matthew 24.35 .
Jesus says there heavens and earth shall pass away .
Heavens and earth shall not pass away ! Literal heavens and earth .
But evil world order ( heavens and earth spiritually understood )
shall pass away.
Most christians think wrong way as they take the words of Jesus
literally.
duke
>On Nov 13, 11:54?am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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>Listen to Open Forum by Harold Camping what he is says about people
>who believe true christians cannot know the time of Jesus' return .
Not even Jesus knew. And we definitely don't.
OB...@aol.com
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Jesus didn't know the time at the time he was speaking the words
Matthew 24.36.
That is the point ! The Present Tense is used there.
Can you imagine angels who sound trumpets in Revelation 6 to 11 and
yet Jesus Christ comes back 300 years later ! How they know it is time
to sound the trumpets ? They must know the time .
So at the endtimes Jesus ,angels in heaven and true servants of God
Yahweh may know the time.
duke
>duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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>Jesus didn't know the time at the time he was speaking the words
>Matthew 24.36.
>That is the point ! The Present Tense is used there.
He also said it is not his **to know**, but only the Father in heaven.
Profit-Of-Gloom
<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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If nothing means what he says---- why bother reading his word at all? Just
keep making things up that fit your agenda.
OB...@aol.com
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Read my posts and learn who much the words in the Bible mean !
OB...@aol.com
You confused the Present Tense with the Future Tense.
At the time Jesus was utterring these words Matthew 24.36 nobody
except God Yahweh ( His Father ) could know when the endtime era will
come .
The endtime era is like a day or an hour.
They have a wider meaning :
We are living in the day of huge scientific discoveries = we are
living in time of great scientific achievements and that can cover
decades !
I will keep food reserves for the hour of war .It may mean I will keep
food for the hard times when war takes place.
So ,you can see to know the day and the hour may cover a long period
of time and about that future period of endtime events nobody knew
about 2000 years ago.
You just take the words of the Bible as they come to you without
examining what God's infinite mind can relay to us through His Word.
OB...@aol.com
You don't really know who are Jehovah's Witnesses according to the
Bible.
You don't know the sense of sex according to the Bible .
duke
>On Nov 13, 11:54?am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
>You confused the Present Tense with the Future Tense.
>At the time Jesus was utterring these words Matthew 24.36 nobody
>except God Yahweh ( His Father ) could know when the endtime era will
>come .
And Jesus the man didn't know either. That leaves you and I out also.
>You just take the words of the Bible as they come to you without
>examining what God's infinite mind can relay to us through His Word.
He wouldn't tell Jesus.
OB...@aol.com
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At that time there was no need to know when the endtime would come.
That is why Jesus said to his then disciples in Acts 1.8:
it is not for you to know the time and seasons ...
Now when we live already in that time we know it as we see it
spiritually .
... a wise man's heart discerns the time and the judgement -
Ecclesiastes 8.5.
Read Revelation 3.3 ;Matthew 24.45-50.
One must know the time when the thief comes to watch : Luke 12.39.
Most people ignore the words in this verse to watch one must know the
time .
They are influenced by the next verse Luke 12.40 that seemingly
contradicts the previous verse they did not even know .
"Watch therefore for the Son of Man comes at an hour yee think not ".
It is not a contradiction if we take it spiritually.
Like in Mark 13.11 : it is not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost that
is in you.
Watch therefore for the Son of Man comes at an hour ye think not ...
but the Holy Ghost that is in you .