@ HAROLD CAMPING PROCLAIMS THE YEAR 2011 AD AS THE END OF THE WORLD .SHOULD I BELIEVE HIM ? @
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right now on radio earthwide.
With his some new revelations from the Bible he decisively beats up
any other tv or radio preacher of christendom.
I am listening to his Open Forum programs very often as I have many
audiotapes .Right now I have a tape running with his Open Forum .
I am writing this though I don't agree with many of Camping's
statements.
I am taking sides with Jehovah's Witnesses while Camping is against
them .
Camping has been studying the Bible for some 55 years and for some 50
years he taught eternal hell as literal place of torments.
I wish you could hear his argumentation on hell how he fiercely
defended that cruel doctrine as he was 100% sure there was a literal
hell .
He even claimed the churches abandonded teaching the hell which was a
sign how apostate they became ! Today he is teaching differently the
churches are teaching literal hell and that is the proof they don't
teach truth !
Camping claims now he was under the influence of the church teaching
about hell that was his reason he teaught hell .
I remeber very well he was teaching we must study the Bible and
interpret the Bible with the Bible and at that time he was teaching
literal hell .
One may ask is Harold Camping reliable in matters of the endtimes he
is teaching .
My advise is to anyone interested in endtimes :
the timeline Harold Camping came to is a very interesting subject and
calculations on which he based his 2011 AD proclamation can be
accepted as they seem very logical ,reasonable and they seem tom be
his strong side.
He claims the Bible is the only true sacred book and there are no more
miracles now from God which could be a copy of what Jehovah's
Witnesses expressed decades ago in their declaration from 1930 AD or
so.
Note the doctrine of hell was denounced by Jehovah's Witnesses long
time ago and their predecessors the International Bible Students
already taught there was no hot hell before 1900 AD !
Harold Camping taught literal hell long time after his end of the
church age in 1988 AD . He was speaking about 2011 AD in 2007 AD and I
think I heard him speaking about literal hell !
Had I not come with the date 2011 AD in a seperate way as I had shown
in my posts I would not believe Harold Camping's calculations linked
to 2011 AD ,.But since he came with the same year and he has good
proofs for that year 2011 AD some things he teaches are acceptable and
you still can be a seperate christian like myself without any
association and showing sympathy for Jehovah's Witnesses as they are
linked to the period of 120 years that must precede the second coming
of Jesus Christ.That must be as our times are in the likeness of
Noah's days - Genesis 6.3;Mattew 24.37-39.
Harold Camping doesn't have such period to support his date 2011 AD.He
would have to link a true christian religion or some individuals in a
convincing way to such a period.
Yes ,7 days taken as 7000 years as in Genesis 7.4 and 2 Peter 3.8 is a
perfect explanation that can shake the world .
4990 BC + 7000 years = 2011 AD .
4990 BC is a date for the Flood of Noah's Days as established by
Harold Camping decades ago .
I am using a different timeline that leads to the same year 2011 AD.
587 BC + 70 weeks of Daniel 9.24 as 70 years + 2520 years + 2520 days
( 7 years ) = 2011 AD.
7 days = 7 years : 2004 AD - 2011 AD is like 7 days from Noah's time -
Genesis 7.4.
Luke Nichols
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The LORD has already come.
http://www.ashesaid.com
Luke
gabriel
> Undoubtedly , Camping is the most prominent preacher of the Bible
> right now on radio earthwide.
While given the sign of the times, it seems clear Jesus will be
returning at any time. We are commanded to watch and pray, and
that's just what we should do - we'll be ready for Christ's
return at any time. When Christ comes at a time different than
expected from those who perform, or believe upon those who
perform, the blasphemous act of numerology on the Bible, they are
the ones that will be overtaken as a thief in the night. =(
Camping's prophecies on an exact day are the result of heretical
allegorical interpretation of the Bible - where a person can
claim certain things have certain meanings, and pretty much make
any claim seem true if you twist allegorical meaning into
passages that are clearly not intended to have hidden meanings
made about them.
Seminar that explains the fallacy of allegorical interpretation
of Camping, letting you hear the exact false allegorical
interpretations he imposes on the Bible, all in the name of his
eyes being opened to see such things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB3KbvCqgS8
Watch it and realize how lost people like Harold Camping is in
his personally imposed allegorical meanings to most everything he
reads.
He claimed the world would end in 1994, using the same faulty
allegorical interpretations. He was wrong. This PROVES he has no
idea what he's talking about, and he's doing it again - and the
blind continue to follow the blind, thinking by some miracle this
time he'll be right. =(
Meanwhile people are fooled into not going to church anymore,
which you can't partake in the Lord's supper in Church in
remembrance of Him.
1 Corinthians 11:18-22 KJVR For first of all, when ye come
together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you;
and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies
among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest
among you. 20 When ye come together therefore into one place,
this is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21 For in eating every
one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and
another is drunken. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to
drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that
have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I
praise you not.
Where you can't be baptized anymore. Where you can't even get
married in your church anymore. But no one thinks of all those
contradictions - and when camping is pressed on those issues, he
stammers unable to answer the questions.
Watch the video and learn the truth - let others know before they
are pulled out of their church by his heretical teachings.
Psalms 46:10 KJVR Be still, and know that I am God: I will be
exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
duke
> Undoubtedly , Camping is the most prominent preacher of the Bible
>right now on radio earthwide.
He doesn't even know that Jesus couldn't advise the end date.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
rogue
Not to mention the fact that this isn't the first time that old Harold
has predicted the Second Coming.
Those of us in the know, know that there ain't no such animal. There
won't be a Second Coming since the bible isn't true.
duke
Well, the bible is true but harold camping certainly isn't.
OB...@aol.com
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I think you don't listen to Open Forumm by Harold Camping or you don't
understand what he is saying . He says clearly he is not predicting
the 2011 AD he is stating that it is declaration ;not a prediction
when we can speak " may be " or so ,now he is 100% sure of the year
2011 AD .He says he was predicting the year 1994 AD but not now as to
2011 AD.
If you want to pose an argument against him listen to his latest
explanations . What he is saying about the book of Daniel 12.9.
You belong to a church for years evidently and what Camping teaches
undermines your church.Of course what he teaches is very dangerous for
priests and pastors who live from preaching their religion.
OB...@aol.com
Please listen to his Open Forum what he is teaching about no man knows
the time.
He uses Romans 3.10-11 to prove his point . I would prove you using
this reference you are not righteous person ,not saved if you stick to
your view on no man knows the time.
gabriel
<OB...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 6:21?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
> --------------------------------------------
> I think you don't listen to Open Forumm by Harold Camping or you don't
> understand what he is saying . He says clearly he is not predicting
> the 2011 AD he is stating that it is declaration ;not a prediction
> when we can speak " may be " or so ,now he is 100% sure of the year
> 2011 AD .He says he was predicting the year 1994 AD but not now as to
> 2011 AD.
Unless you now believe Camping is God, you seem confused on what
prediction means. Unless Camping is God, he is merely predicting
the end of the World on that specific day in 2011.
Meanwhile Camping also condemns Jehovah's Witnesses on his
program as not really being saved. Not sure how you reconcile
that with claiming Camping speaks the truth and you being a
Jehovah's Witness.
Meanwhile, what you and Camping claim is soundly refuted:
duke
>On Jan 4, 4:09?pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
No thanks. I stick with God on this one.
OB...@aol.com
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You show how you misunderstand the Bible . Read Romans 3 literally as
you take the words Matthew 24.36 literally.
duke
>On Jan 6, 12:45?pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> ---
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>You show how you misunderstand the Bible . Read Romans 3 literally as
>you take the words Matthew 24.36 literally.
Matthew 24:36 (New International Version)
The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son,[a] but only the Father.
That's as far as I need to go. Romans 3 does not undo Mat 24:36.
rogue
No, actually the bible isn't true either. It fails to be true
historically, on prophecy and it's inconsistent and contradicts itself.
Rob
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On Jan 4, 6:21?am, gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com>
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I think you don't listen to Open Forumm by Harold Camping or you don't
understand what he is saying . He says clearly he is not predicting
the 2011 AD he is stating that it is declaration ;not a prediction
when we can speak " may be " or so ,now he is 100% sure of the year
2011 AD .He says he was predicting the year 1994 AD but not now as to
2011 AD.
People listened to Hitler also and they understood what he said. But he was
still a lunatic and he was wrong about the future. Why don't you just sign
your name as "Mrs. Camping"? You obviously have some perverted loyalty to
him. Hoping neither one of you ever reproduce.
duke
>On Jan 5, 5:14�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:44:42 -0800 (PST), rogue <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jan 4, 4:09�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:33:54 -0800 (PST), "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> > Undoubtedly , Camping is the most prominent preacher of the Bible
>> >> >right now on radio earthwide.
>>
>> >> He doesn't even know that Jesus couldn't advise the end date.
>>
>> >> The Dukester, American-American
>> >> *****
>> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> >> Pope Paul VI
>> >> *****
>>
>> >Not to mention the fact that this isn't the first time that old Harold
>> >has predicted the Second Coming.
>>
>> >Those of us in the know, know that there ain't no such animal. �There
>> >won't be a Second Coming since the bible isn't true.
>>
>> Well, the bible is true but harold camping certainly isn't.
>No, actually the bible isn't true either. It fails to be true
>historically, on prophecy and it's inconsistent and contradicts itself.
Where does it fail historically and spiritually?
rogue
JERRY
"spiritually" is a non-category, since one will find it spiritual if
one believes in it, much like the spirituality of the Koran or the
Bhagavad-Gita.
Historically, it fails to be correct. Archaeology has shown that when
Joshua and his army arrived at Jericho, the walls were already down.
At the time of the Exodus story, Egyptian history verifies that
slavery as depicted in the Exodus story didn't exist in the country.
On prophecy, all you have to do is check out the failed prophecy in
Ezekiel chapter 26 for the prophecied destruction of the island city
of Tyre at the hands of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The
Babylonian king laid siege to the island city for 13 years and was
unable to conquer it. Failed prophecy.
Ips-Switch
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Historically, it fails to be correct. Archaeology has shown that when
Joshua and his army arrived at Jericho, the walls were already down...etc.
Jesus told his men he would return before they all died. That they would
never taste of death. They all died and he hasn't been seen since. ;-)
rogue
> "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
JERRY
Yep, but I usually go there with people on failed prophecy. There are
so many verses about the failed parousia that they can't really deny
it but it's fun to watch the worms wiggle on the hook. ;-)
duke
>JERRY
>"spiritually" is a non-category, since one will find it spiritual if
>one believes in it, much like the spirituality of the Koran or the
>Bhagavad-Gita.
>
>Historically, it fails to be correct. Archaeology has shown that when
>Joshua and his army arrived at Jericho, the walls were already down.
>
>At the time of the Exodus story, Egyptian history verifies that
>slavery as depicted in the Exodus story didn't exist in the country.
>
>On prophecy, all you have to do is check out the failed prophecy in
>Ezekiel chapter 26 for the prophecied destruction of the island city
>of Tyre at the hands of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The
>Babylonian king laid siege to the island city for 13 years and was
>unable to conquer it. Failed prophecy.
Are you a Jew? Why don't you follow the New Testament?
Wild Bill
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:50:02 -0800 (PST), rogue <rogu...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>JERRY
>>"spiritually" is a non-category, since one will find it spiritual if
>>one believes in it, much like the spirituality of the Koran or the
>>Bhagavad-Gita.
>>
>>Historically, it fails to be correct. Archaeology has shown that when
>>Joshua and his army arrived at Jericho, the walls were already down.
>>
>>At the time of the Exodus story, Egyptian history verifies that
>>slavery as depicted in the Exodus story didn't exist in the country.
>>
>>On prophecy, all you have to do is check out the failed prophecy in
>>Ezekiel chapter 26 for the prophecied destruction of the island city
>>of Tyre at the hands of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The
>>Babylonian king laid siege to the island city for 13 years and was
>>unable to conquer it. Failed prophecy.
>
> Are you a Jew? Why don't you follow the New Testament?
Maybe because it's not much better than the Old Testament, duke!
Ips-Switch
> wrote:
>>On prophecy, all you have to do is check out the failed prophecy in
>>Ezekiel chapter 26 for the prophecied destruction of the island city
>>of Tyre at the hands of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The
>>Babylonian king laid siege to the island city for 13 years and was
>>unable to conquer it. Failed prophecy.
>
> Are you a Jew? Why don't you follow the New Testament?
What difference does it make? The prophesies still FAILED 100%! ;-)
OB...@aol.com
Camping have been studying the Bible for more than 50 years ! You
speak nonsense . Listen to Camping's explanations on knowing the time
of the end of the world . Just tune to Open Forum program it is so
easy !
OB...@aol.com
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Why don't you listen to Camping's Open Forum program .He is not
predicting 2011 AD ; he was predicting the year 1994 .
OB...@aol.com
Ala
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On Jan 4, 4:09�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
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>Camping have been studying the Bible for more than 50 years ! You
>speak nonsense . Listen to Camping's explanations on knowing the time
>of the end of the world .
But I've been extremely busy lately with this event (i'm heading the ad-hoc
"organizational committtee" of these four groups led by four horsemen for
the event.
Have you joined ? If not, please don't hesitate. All families should be in
it!
OB...@aol.com
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You believe what the Bible says ,not what people wrote back in time
you know nothing about .
Who can give us the best account of the past if not God Yahweh ?!
OB...@aol.com
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You know little of Harold Camping .Just listen to Open Forum he is
sometimes talking about himself as people call and ask him .
duke
But then again I, unlike you, understand that Christ fulfilled the old agreement
and started a new agreement.
Better luck next time.
duke
wrote:
If you believe that, you don't know the first thing about the bible, and I do
mean the very first thing..
duke
>On Jan 4, 4:09?pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
The Catholic Church as put in millions of man hours over the last 2000 years,
which also includes those that studied under Jesus and personally knew what he
said.
Any comments?
OB...@aol.com
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Harold Camping beats up all Roman Catholic religion with his Open
Forum programs just try to tune to one .
http://www.familyradio.com find location where you can listen on
radio.
Ips-Switch
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Do you know that only about 6 people still read your messages? That there
are only a few who reply to you. No one cares about Camping's predictions.
duke
>Harold Camping beats up all Roman Catholic religion with his Open
>Forum programs just try to tune to one .
>http://www.familyradio.com find location where you can listen on
>radio.
camping is not even a Christian. He belongs to a cult.
Karma
> On Jan 17, 5:59 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
> ----
> Harold Camping beats up all Roman Catholic religion with his Open
> radio.
Look, assclown.
We all know your stance. You are a Camping ass licker, you have these
moronic predictions that always fail, and you are clinically insane.
Plus, you are a lonely, desperate man.
We all know this.
Why do you have to keep repeating your bullshit? Everybody knows
already!
rogue
JERRY
LOL! I not only know the bible better than you, but have demonstrated
it here in Usenet for over ten years.
And the problem with Harold Camping is that he's using as a book a
collection of 2000 year old goatherder mythologies that fails to be
historically accurate, fails on prophecy and contradicts itself, and
those are the charges against it that are easily provable.
Ips-Switch
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Neither do you since you admitted you only read the book of Daniel
old man joe
>On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:33:54 -0800 (PST), "OB...@aol.com"
><OB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Undoubtedly , Camping is the most prominent preacher of the Bible
>> right now on radio earthwide.
>
>While given the sign of the times, it seems clear Jesus will be
>returning at any time. We are commanded to watch and pray, and
>that's just what we should do - we'll be ready for Christ's
>return at any time. When Christ comes at a time different than
>expected from those who perform, or believe upon those who
>perform, the blasphemous act of numerology on the Bible, they are
>the ones that will be overtaken as a thief in the night. =(
>
>Camping's prophecies on an exact day are the result of heretical
>allegorical interpretation of the Bible - where a person can
>claim certain things have certain meanings, and pretty much make
>any claim seem true if you twist allegorical meaning into
>passages that are clearly not intended to have hidden meanings
>made about them.
>
>Seminar that explains the fallacy of allegorical interpretation
>of Camping, letting you hear the exact false allegorical
>interpretations he imposes on the Bible, all in the name of his
>eyes being opened to see such things.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB3KbvCqgS8
>
>Watch it and realize how lost people like Harold Camping is in
>his personally imposed allegorical meanings to most everything he
>reads.
>
>He claimed the world would end in 1994, using the same faulty
>allegorical interpretations. He was wrong. This PROVES he has no
>idea what he's talking about, and he's doing it again - and the
>blind continue to follow the blind, thinking by some miracle this
>time he'll be right. =(
>
>Meanwhile people are fooled into not going to church anymore,
>which you can't partake in the Lord's supper in Church in
>remembrance of Him.
>
>1 Corinthians 11:18-22 KJVR For first of all, when ye come
>together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you;
>and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies
>among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest
>among you. 20 When ye come together therefore into one place,
>this is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21 For in eating every
>one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and
>another is drunken. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to
>drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that
>have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I
>praise you not.
>
>Where you can't be baptized anymore. Where you can't even get
>married in your church anymore. But no one thinks of all those
>contradictions - and when camping is pressed on those issues, he
>stammers unable to answer the questions.
>
>Watch the video and learn the truth - let others know before they
>are pulled out of their church by his heretical teachings.
>
>Psalms 46:10 KJVR Be still, and know that I am God: I will be
>exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
much to the contrary. there is much difference between what you say Camping said and what Camping
did say and does say.
for example, he does say people can marry in a church.
he did not say 1994 was the Rapture and Judgement Day but said it was possible.
the most important thing to realize is that no one predicts the Last Day but ' discover's ' the Last
Day being taught in Holy Scripture.
a fellow often depicted as standing on a corner of a busy city street holding a sign saying " The
End is Near " is not predicting the Last Day. Christ already predicted the Last Day as recorded in
Holy Scripture. one is simply voicing Christs prediction... just like Noah did; just like Jonah
did... God told them beforehand. He tells us beforehand. its only those who hold denominational
tradition above the Holy Scriptures who are saying the elect can not know the timing of the End.
Mt. 5:10,12; Jn. 15:20