Re:(Another lie posted by Vera) See A Pic Of Amazing Grace and the Croucher Cult on Mark T's Christian mocking website!
Amazing Grace
" ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> In news:aYWdnVqE9aAmXRXV...@earthlink.com,
> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:6erth7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> In news:kP-dnWoejv9MIxXV...@earthlink.com,
>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>> You have posted a lie. There is NO picture of Sensi or Rowland
>>>> there. YOU are a false witness.
>>>
>>> Tell this to your buddy Mark T! <grin>
>>
>> Why should I tell Mark, YOU are the one that posted the lie. YOUR
>> picture is there.
>
> In Germany we say someone might be "merkbefreit" if he or she is as stupid
> as you. And as Christians we say that someone as loveless as you cannot be
> a sister or brother. But that is Scriptural. Read Bible - maybe you will
> find out why.
>
> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>
Rofl
Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you are
called on it.
>
>>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6erq29F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> In
>>>>> news:voqdnf7Pl8efPRXV...@posted.socketinternetservices,
>>>>> Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
>>>>>> Mark T wrote:
>>>>>>> See pictures of Vera and Griz Cult Members at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/weird-christians-at-altchristnetchristi.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weird Christians I Have Met.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Griz cult members have the following unfortunate features:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - a distrust and fear of freedom
>>>>>>> - a belief in the importance of authority and in controlling what
>>>>>>> people believe
>>>>>>> - a corre貞ponding preference for obedience rather than love
>>>>>>> - a desire to give people what they want rather than the truth
>>>>>>> - a refusal to allow themselves to be in the least disconcerted
>>>>>>> when confronted with the true nature of their fundamentalist
>>>>>>> religion - a readiness to persecute and exclude anyone who is of
>>>>>>> a different persuasion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They prefer authority, obedience, and conformity over freedom,
>>>>>>> truth, and dissent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Key Characteristics of the Griz cult are [adapted from Joanne
>>>>>>> Ruhland 1995]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Content Which Is Authoritarian
>>>>>>> - Indoctrinates / clones
>>>>>>> - Unquestioning obedience / Leaders do not discuss questions
>>>>>>> - Love and loyalty are the bottom line
>>>>>>> - Indoctrination /Leaders' conclusions must be accepted.
>>>>>>> - Emphasis on uniformity
>>>>>>> - Elitist / accepts SOME Christians
>>>>>>> - Hidden agenda
>>>>>>> - Manipulates
>>>>>>> - Leaders "lord" it over the flock
>>>>>>> - Results in conformity, rigidity
>>>>>>> - Allows one avenue of service ... serving their group
>>>>>>> - Individual is responsible to leaders
>>>>>>> - Leaders tell individual what God's will is
>>>>>>> - Analytical thinking hindered
>>>>>>> - Simplistic approach to life
>>>>>>> - Pick your own bible verse to lead you / Choices must conform
>>>>>>> to leaders' dictates, leaders' approval
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fundamentalists can kiss my "left behind".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sensi:
>>>>>> I was just about to email you to find out if you were doing
>>>>>> ok. Glad to find you're on the mend and still learning like
>>>>>> the rest of us. I hope you're not getting those shots in
>>>>>> your 'left behind' err... seems to be bruised enough already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> Sensi
>
>
Matt B
<maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>" ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:6es9clF...@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:aYWdnVqE9aAmXRXV...@earthlink.com,
>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6erth7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In news:kP-dnWoejv9MIxXV...@earthlink.com,
>>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>>> You have posted a lie. There is NO picture of Sensi or Rowland
>>>>> there. YOU are a false witness.
>>>>
>>>> Tell this to your buddy Mark T! <grin>
>>>
>>> Why should I tell Mark, YOU are the one that posted the lie. YOUR
>>> picture is there.
>>
>> In Germany we say someone might be "merkbefreit" if he or she is as stupid
>> as you. And as Christians we say that someone as loveless as you cannot be
>> a sister or brother. But that is Scriptural. Read Bible - maybe you will
>> find out why.
>>
>> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>>
>Rofl
> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you are
>called on it.
Did you expect anything else?
Matt
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Amazing Grace
"Matt B" <trdel...@SPgmail.com > wrote in message
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LOL, no that is exactly what I expected. I've seen her do that too many
times, to too many people to expect anything different.
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Matt B
Lets see I made a comment. Where is the lie? Vera why are you
attacking so many people.
Exodus 20:16 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Matthew 19:18 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
seems you need to do a little repenting.
Have a nice Day Vera
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins."
Rod
> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:6es9clF...@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:aYWdnVqE9aAmXRXV...@earthlink.com,
>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6erth7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In news:kP-dnWoejv9MIxXV...@earthlink.com,
>>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>>> You have posted a lie. There is NO picture of Sensi or Rowland
>>>>> there. YOU are a false witness.
>>>> Tell this to your buddy Mark T! <grin>
>>> Why should I tell Mark, YOU are the one that posted the lie. YOUR
>>> picture is there.
>> In Germany we say someone might be "merkbefreit" if he or she is as stupid
>> as you. And as Christians we say that someone as loveless as you cannot be
>> a sister or brother. But that is Scriptural. Read Bible - maybe you will
>> find out why.
>>
>> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>>
> Rofl
> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you are
> called on it.
It didn't appear to be an attack, ion as much as the
picture she is referring to was menat by Mark as a general
representation of Christians which he seems to consider
brainless.
Amazing Grace
"Rod" <icom706'Ñ@att.net> wrote in message
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You are incorrect. The pictures on that site are of specific named people.
The statement she posted was a lie . She knew that when she posted it. Yes,
her picture is there.
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Rod <icom706'Ñ@att.net> typed:
Rod, they "luv" Marl T's form of what they call "satire" - so I wanted
to do them a favour with *my* "satire". I think it is funny. It is not
my fault if they have no sense of humor. I can also draw them all, Mr
Croucher with a Bible in the hand - and a picture of them all, just for
fun, oh, how much they would all be laughing! ROTFL!
::: vera :::
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Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
She calls that "site". lol
She is such a funny -err, "Christian". lol
But you see, her hubby is a deacon, so she can afford it. lol
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Jani
"Amazing Grace" <maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:6es9clF...@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:aYWdnVqE9aAmXRXV...@earthlink.com,
>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6erth7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In news:kP-dnWoejv9MIxXV...@earthlink.com,
>>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>>> You have posted a lie. There is NO picture of Sensi or Rowland
>>>>> there. YOU are a false witness.
>>>>
>>>> Tell this to your buddy Mark T! <grin>
>>>
>>> Why should I tell Mark, YOU are the one that posted the lie. YOUR
>>> picture is there.
>>
>> In Germany we say someone might be "merkbefreit" if he or she is as
>> stupid as you. And as Christians we say that someone as loveless as you
>> cannot be a sister or brother. But that is Scriptural. Read Bible - maybe
>> you will find out why.
>>
>> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>>
> Rofl
> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you are
> called on it.
Or she runs away, hurling more insults over her shoulder. She and John make
a good pair, and they're certainly doing sterling work as far as driving
people away from christianity is concerned.
Jani
Rod 疑
Yes, you do need a sense of humor when you're on usenet,
but Marks satire isn't funny. Yes, I've seen the picture
of you on their and Marks comments, and for these folks
to think it's funny but cry when you hand it back to them
is hypocrisy.
What gets me is that no one thinks to call a stop to it
and end the fighting. Mark should change his site to
reflect the better qualities of Christianity, not
demonstrate the bad qualities of Christianity by creating
the site that he has.
What has happened to common sense and the love that
was reputed to be found in Christianity ? Or is that
just another badly told story ?
No Vera, I don't believe Marks site is funny, I believe
Mark represents the depravity that is a constant of the
human mind, and those believing it humorous need to take
a deeper look at their faith.
Rod 疑
No Grace, I'm not incorrect. That last picture is a
picture mocking anyone not seeing things as Mark is seeing
them, that means he mocks any and all christians not
agreeing with his interpretation of what Christianity
should have been about.
Mark is about one thing, Mark. He sucks, his humor sucks
and those that believe he is funny are viewing him through
a dark glass.
The pictures on that site are of specific named people.
The very last picture is NOT, it's a generalization
of a christian character. It could be anyone subscribing
to a belief in the scriptures, and not to Marks pet
theories.
Mark is a cad, and a selfish, arrogant ass and will very
likely stay that way because he doesn't give a damn about
anyone but Mark. He has proved this by ridiculing
others....
> The statement she posted was a lie.
No, you are. You can't see past the obvious to
what has been right in front of you.
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Rod ? <icom706'''@att.net> typed:
You say it! These hypocrites have been doing this for years now. It is
really not funny. I could do the same with them, but I do not think such
things are right. But I am in good company there, and thank the Lord for
my brothers.
> What gets me is that no one thinks to call a stop to it
> and end the fighting. Mark should change his site to
> reflect the better qualities of Christianity, not
> demonstrate the bad qualities of Christianity by creating
> the site that he has.
You say it. They have never said one word to stop Mark, but they even
laughed with him when he prayed for my death for about 100 times or
more. They are so rotten, really.
> What has happened to common sense and the love that
> was reputed to be found in Christianity ? Or is that
> just another badly told story ?
Mark is no Christian, but a persecutor of Christianity - so do not
expect anything from him. They are even proud to cal this guy their
friend and even "brother". Aaaarghhh..
> No Vera, I don't believe Marks site is funny, I believe
> Mark represents the depravity that is a constant of the
> human mind, and those believing it humorous need to take
> a deeper look at their faith.
I agree with you.
::: good news runner :::
Correct. It is a picture of Amazing Grace. <grin>
> Mark is a cad, and a selfish, arrogant ass and will very
> likely stay that way because he doesn't give a damn about
> anyone but Mark. He has proved this by ridiculing
> others....
Not only others, but Jesus as well.
If he had done the same with Mohammed, he would probably be a dead man
now.
But Mark is a cad, as you say. Some others here, however, claim to be
good Christian people, posting one positive Bible verse after the other.
Or they started a big friendship with Mark, taking his side, giving up
the friendship to their brothers and sisters.
>> The statement she posted was a lie.
>
> No, you are. You can't see past the obvious to
> what has been right in front of you.
Correct!
They see what they want to see.... They accept a Bible mocking monster,
and hate their brothers and sisters... That says much to me.
Mark T
> Mark should change his site to
> reflect the better qualities of Christianity, not demonstrate the bad
> qualities of Christianity by creating
> the site that he has.
... but the Fundamentalist Dark Age IS funny!
See FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
Mark T
> That last picture is a picture mocking anyone not seeing things as Mark is
> seeing
> them, that means he mocks any and all christians not agreeing with his
> interpretation of what Christianity
> should have been about.
I have several sites.
One is lampooning the silliness of the current Fundamentalist Dark Age ....
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
BUT you will find intelligent articles on Christianity at
MY BLOG - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
> Mark is about one thing, Mark. He sucks
Only when drinking through a straw.
> The pictures on that site are of specific named people.
Weird Christians I Have Met. The JESUS IS BORED AWARD goes to those on the
page who have earnt it by their many ratbag religious rants and Bible Verse
Vomits.
Can I have your photo to place there?
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/weird-christians-at-altchristnetchristi.html
Oops ... found your picture and will add it to the site.
> The very last picture is NOT, it's a generalization
> of a christian character.
Nah! That's a "Typical Griz Cult Thug" - Neanderthal in nature. Sorta like
you.
> Mark is a cad, and a selfish, arrogant ass...
> He has proved this by ridiculing
> others....
But Fundamentalsts are SO easy to ridicule. If they had some commonsense my
job would be a whole lot more difficult.
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Mark T
> Mark is a cad ..... a Bible mocking monster
Nah!
I just mock silly little fundamentalists like you.
The Fundamentalist Funhouse now has a picture of Rod. See Rod's picture at
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/weird-christians-at-altchristnetchristi.html
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distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
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Mark T
> he prayed
Prayer for Vera
O Lord, Vera's posts are so dull that I think I must be dead. But if it be,
Lord, by your grace and favour, that I am not in fact dead - merely stunned
into mind-numbing oblivion by the overall tedium and general
inconsequentiality of the proceeedings - grant your servant this: grant that
Vera becomes 'called up yonder' to that 'place which you have prepared for
her' right away ... if that be not too forward a request, of course.
Amen.
> Mark is no Christian
**Rowland Croucher**
>
> "Amazing Grace" <maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:raqdnWExfapdnhTV...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
<>
>>>
>> Rofl
>> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you
>> are called on it.
>
> Or she runs away, hurling more insults over her shoulder. She and John
> make a good pair, and they're certainly doing sterling work as far as
> driving people away from christianity is concerned.
>
> Jani
Grace and Jani know this, but for others reading these threads, whilst
my two friends do not use an adjective before Christians/Christianity
they could have chosen any one of about 13. See 'Was Jesus a Christian?'
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/9664.htm
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Amazing Grace
"**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@contactemailonwebsite> wrote in message
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> Jani wrote:
>>
>> "Amazing Grace" <maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:raqdnWExfapdnhTV...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> <>
>>>> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>>>>
>>> Rofl
>>> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you
>>> are called on it.
>>
>> Or she runs away, hurling more insults over her shoulder. She and John
>> make a good pair, and they're certainly doing sterling work as far as
>> driving people away from christianity is concerned.
>>
>> Jani
>
> Grace and Jani know this, but for others reading these threads, whilst my
> two friends do not use an adjective before Christians/Christianity they
> could have chosen any one of about 13. See 'Was Jesus a Christian?'
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/9664.htm
>
> --
>
>
> Shalom/Salaam/Pax! Rowland Croucher
Thanks Rowland. Thats a keeper.
Grace
Amazing Grace
"Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi Jani,
Yes, sad but true.
Grace
::: good news runner :::
::: good news runner :::
prayed a million times.
But your dark soul can be seen by your actions. You should pray for your
own soul as long as there is time - which I doubt. The devil is laughing
about your stupidity. There will be an hour which will be your last. How
will you spend it?
You really will be dead soon enough when the Lord calls you to His
Throne to explain all your actions against His People to Him. I am
looking forward to that already.
And while you are dreaming, I am real.
In news:488a916e$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au,
Mark T <snailmail@letterbox0000115> typed:
> " ::: goo news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wroteth:
>
>
>> he prayed
>
>
> Prayer for Vera
>
> O Lord, Vera's posts are so dull that I think I must be dead. But if
> it be, Lord, by your grace and favour, that I am not in fact dead -
> merely stunned into mind-numbing oblivion by the overall tedium and
> general inconsequentiality of the proceeedings - grant your servant
> this: grant that Vera becomes 'called up yonder' to that 'place which
> you have prepared for her' right away ... if that be not too forward
> a request, of course.
>
> Amen.
>
>
>
>
>> Mark is no Christian
::: good news runner :::
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Mark T <snailmail@letterbox0000114> typed:
> "Rod ?" <icom706'''@att.net> wrote:
>
>> That last picture is a picture mocking anyone not seeing things as
>> Mark is seeing
>> them, that means he mocks any and all christians not agreeing with
>> his interpretation of what Christianity
>> should have been about.
>
> I have several sites.
Correct - he blasphemes Jesus as much as he can. He is obsessed with it.
Rod
Thanks you for verifying the truth about yourself,
but you really didn't need to do that. Most people
can see what you're about from your website.
The only "good thing" about you is the fact that you
have just owned up to what I've said.....if you can stir
it up you will...
::: good news runner :::
Rod <icom706'''@att.net> typed:
> Mark T wrote:
[snipped Bully Mark T's trash]
> Thanks you for verifying the truth about yourself,
> but you really didn't need to do that. Most people
> can see what you're about from your website.
>
> The only "good thing" about you is the fact that you
> have just owned up to what I've said.....if you can stir
> it up you will...
You say it, and he has been doing it for more than five years already.
He is on a vendetta for his brother, a homosexual who had AIDS. Now he
hates all Christians who do not accept homosexuality as a virtue but
regard it to be a sin in the eyes of God, which it is.
Rod
That explains a lot.
Rod
> "Rod ?" <icom706'''@att.net> wrote:
>
>> That last picture is a picture mocking anyone not seeing things as Mark is
>> seeing
>> them, that means he mocks any and all christians not agreeing with his
>> interpretation of what Christianity
>> should have been about.
>
> I have several sites.
>
> One is lampooning the silliness of the current Fundamentalist Dark Age ....
And your stirring it up is making it so much
brighter ? Come on Mark, stirring up more
hate won't gain acceptance for your brother
or for you, it just drives people further away
and you end up causing division, not healing
any breaches.
Is that your goal ? What do you hope to gain
from this ?
NOSPAM
<maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>You are incorrect. The pictures on that site are of specific named people.
>The statement she posted was a lie . She knew that when she posted it. Yes,
>her picture is there.
>
Where is this web site, please?
I must go and take a peek at it, just out of curiosity.
Thanks :o)
NOSPAM
wrote:
>
>Or she runs away, hurling more insults over her shoulder. She and John make
>a good pair, and they're certainly doing sterling work as far as driving
>people away from christianity is concerned.
>
>Jani
Right you are, Jani. They are both the epitome of evil, from what I
see from them.
They are no doubt a match made in Hell.
NOSPAM
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>You say it. They have never said one word to stop Mark, but they even
>laughed with him when he prayed for my death for about 100 times or
>more. They are so rotten, really.
And WHEN did he supposedly 'pray for your death'?
Show the post, please.
NOSPAM
<maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>Rofl
> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when you are
>called on it.
>>
Good morning, A.G. --
It appears that vera is doing nothing BUT lying, and yes-- she does
attack when called on it.
Like her johnnie-friend, everyone ELSE is to blame, and not 'her'.
NOSPAM
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>She calls that "site". lol
>
>She is such a funny -err, "Christian". lol
>
>But you see, her hubby is a deacon, so she can afford it. lol
>
DO be silent, vera. You're making yourself look more like a fool with
each continuing post you make.
NOSPAM
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:25:19 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
><vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>In news:i9mi84da88n0nso1i...@4ax.com,
>>Matt B <trdel...@SPgmail.com > typed:
>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:38:52 -0400, "Amazing Grace"
>>> <maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6es9clF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> In news:aYWdnVqE9aAmXRXV...@earthlink.com,
>>>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>>>> " ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:6erth7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> In news:kP-dnWoejv9MIxXV...@earthlink.com,
>>>>>>> Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>> You have posted a lie. There is NO picture of Sensi or Rowland
>>>>>>>> there. YOU are a false witness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell this to your buddy Mark T! <grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should I tell Mark, YOU are the one that posted the lie. YOUR
>>>>>> picture is there.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Germany we say someone might be "merkbefreit" if he or she is as
>>>>> stupid as you. And as Christians we say that someone as loveless as
>>>>> you cannot be a sister or brother. But that is Scriptural. Read
>>>>> Bible - maybe you will find out why.
>>>>>
>>>>> May the Lord have mercy on you.
>>>>>
>>>> Rofl
>>>> Vera, you are so predictable. You post a lie and then attack when
>>>> you are called on it.
>>>
>>> Did you expect anything else?
>>>
>>> Matt
>
>Lets see I made a comment. Where is the lie? Vera why are you
>attacking so many people.
>
>Exodus 20:16 (King James Version)
>King James Version (KJV)
>Public Domain
>
> 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
>
>Matthew 19:18 (King James Version)
>King James Version (KJV)
>Public Domain
>
> 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
>Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
>bear false witness,
>
>seems you need to do a little repenting.
>
>Have a nice Day Vera
>
>Matt
>
Good morning, Matt.
It appears that vera is attacking more and more people here every
day. A vendetta of hatred....... sad.
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NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> typed:
There you go - all pics of Amazing Grave there:
::: good news runner :::
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NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> typed:
Wanna see a picture of Amazing Grave?
::: good news runner :::
::: good news runner ::: <vera...@lycos.com> typed:
P.S.: You are wrong and the boss of the mobbers.
Matt B
It is sad but it is also her pattern. Maybe Vera will write another
letter to President Bush to ask him to get me off the NGs LOL.
Although didn't do much good last time.
Be Well
Matt
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Amazing Grace
This is Mark T's site.
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
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Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
> Elaine,
> This is Mark T's site.
>
::: good news runner :::
Sensi
See subject line.
Amazing Grace
"Matt B" <trdel...@SPgmail.com > wrote in message
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LOL You mean you havent had a visit from the local police, FBI,CIA or
Interpol
yet? Gee the president certainly is slow responding.
God bless,
Grace
Amazing Grace
"Sensi" <sensi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> See subject line.
Yep! I believe you just nailed it.
Grace
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> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>> See subject line.
>
> which is:
>
> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T. She wants
> everyone to join in her problem with Mark ,
>>
>
> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T.
>
> I believe that's incorrect. I have had some very ugly dealings with
> Mark T.
> I believe Vera's issues with Mark boil down to his utter disrespect
> for everything "Christian." Vera -- however imperfect -- calls
> herself a Christian; however imperfect, I call myself a Christian,
> too.
>
> I have no doubt that you'll be flaming ME next.
>
> That's ok! I wear a flame-proof suit called "The Holy Spirit."
You are right on everything above, John.
Mark T. came to ACC and libelled me and others while I had not even
known anything of him. It was just because of his hate for all
"fundamental" Christians. He hates Jesus. I have seldom seen any worse
bully than this guy. It is incredible that so-called "Christians" like
Amazing Grave link to his libel site. It says all there is about them
and their cheap Christianity.
> john w
::: vera :::
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
>>
>>
>>
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::: good news runner :::
Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
> See subject line.
::: good news runner :::
NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> typed:
Do you want to have more of them?
There you go:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?lr=&num=100&q=Vera+up+yonder+author%3AMark+author%3AT
And some more:
::: good news runner :::
P.S.: This is the link with more than 600 references to it:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?lr=&num=100&q=vera%27s+prayers+are+so+dull+&qt_s=Suche
ujb
perhaps JohnH can explain satire to you? no, i know he can and will, the
question is *will you* understand a lampoon after he has done so?
ujb
Rod
> "Rod ?" <icom706'''@att.net> wrotethy:
>
>
>
>> Mark should change his site to
>> reflect the better qualities of Christianity, not demonstrate the bad
>> qualities of Christianity by creating
>> the site that he has.
>
>
> ... but the Fundamentalist Dark Age IS funny!
>
> See FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
> http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
> - a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
> fundamentalism.
Perhaps it's the comic presenting it that isn't funny
then ?
Sensi
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> See subject line.
>
> which is:
>
> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T. She wants
> everyone to join in her problem with Mark ,
>
> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T.
>
> I believe that's incorrect.
Sensi:
I'm not going to argue with you.
I have had some very ugly dealings with
> Mark T.
> I believe Vera's issues with Mark boil down to his utter disrespect
> for everything "Christian." Vera -- however imperfect -- calls
> herself a Christian; however imperfect, I call myself a Christian,
> too.
>
Sensi:
Mark is kind of like the rest of us. None of us agree on
everything about Christianity or fundamentalism . You, me,
everyone has their own views about certain things all in the
realm of Christianity.
We'll stand up and fight for what we believe to be true,
sure. We all do this! Right or wrong.
The difference between the two, Vera and Mark.... is Mark is
secure in what he believes to be true and doesn't need an
army to stand up and fight for him.
The more Vera fights with him the more he sees her just as
he pegged her.
Vera otoh wants everyone to join in her crusade to fight
against Mark.
Nobody is joining ranks with her to fight a battle war
against Mark. There is no need to, it's a ng open to the
entire public. Doh....
Vera feels people let her down and is no longer going to
associate them as being friends or Christians.
She now goes to extremes saying people chose Mark over her
so she now fights against those who were cautious enough to
listen to their inner guidance not to fight to help her
gain this weird kind of control over a *news group* that she
so desperately wants to control.
It's almost laughable to think someone would go to such
extremes to gain control of something they could *never*
control in a million years even if Mark wasn't here.
She tries to run people off to this day which is the
weirdest thing... really *weird* and when people disagree
with her desire for weird control she really gets in a weird
whirlwind and bingo.... bible verses of hate and discord
come bouncing out of her of which Mark also sees her doing
and displays her as one of the weirdest fundamental
Christians he ever met.
I'd have to agree in the sense that no one can take
control of a ng and turn it into just one belief...
hers,mine, yours,etc.
But she keeps trying and trying....and trying....I really
want to laugh about it but she's made it so serious you just
have to have pity for her and conclude that it is rather weird.
My 2 pennies in the pot. Right or wrong that's how I see it.
> I have no doubt that you'll be flaming ME next.
Sensi:
If you'll turn down your flame you won't be so blinded by
your own light.
>
> That's ok! I wear a flame-proof suit called "The Holy Spirit."
>
>
Sensi:
Go ahead and wear your suit. Paranoia won't protect you.
You'll smother to death from your own flames.
>
> john w
Jani
"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
news:an3n84h5u0jd3dsuh...@4ax.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:28:58 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>><vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You say it. They have never said one word to stop Mark, but they even
>>>laughed with him when he prayed for my death for about 100 times or
>>>more. They are so rotten, really.
>>
>>
>>And WHEN did he supposedly 'pray for your death'?
>> Show the post, please.
>
> show the posts!
Speaking of which, where are those posts in which I allegedly discuss
private emails from Andrew, John? And don't start whining about
'misunderstanding' or 'misremembering' - for that to be the case, there'd
have to something to misunderstand or misremember in the first place. So,
WHERE ARE THE POSTS?
Jani
>
> Give her the slack you demand!
>
> You are defending someone (Mark T) who has called the Bible a
> "turd."
>
>
>
>
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Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
> john w <j wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> See subject line.
>>
>> which is:
>>
>> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T. She wants
>> everyone to join in her problem with Mark ,
>>
>> Re: CORRECTION: Vera has a personal problem with Mark T.
>>
>> I believe that's incorrect.
>
>
> Sensi:
> I'm not going to argue with you.
>
>
> I have had some very ugly dealings with
>> Mark T.
>> I believe Vera's issues with Mark boil down to his utter
>> disrespect for everything "Christian." Vera -- however imperfect --
>> calls herself a Christian; however imperfect, I call myself a
>> Christian, too.
>>
> Sensi:
> Mark is kind of like the rest of us.
Yes - he is as hateful as you are.
> None of us agree on
> everything about Christianity or fundamentalism . You, me,
> everyone has their own views about certain things all in the
> realm of Christianity.
>
> We'll stand up and fight for what we believe to be true,
> sure. We all do this! Right or wrong.
>
> The difference between the two, Vera and Mark.... is Mark is
> secure in what he believes to be true and doesn't need an
> army to stand up and fight for him.
> The more Vera fights with him the more he sees her just as
> he pegged her.
>
> Vera otoh wants everyone to join in her crusade to fight
> against Mark.
> Nobody is joining ranks with her to fight a battle war
> against Mark. There is no need to, it's a ng open to the
> entire public. Doh....
>
> Vera feels people let her down and is no longer going to
> associate them as being friends or Christians.
CORRECT!
People can be Mark T's brother or sister or mine. Both at the same time
is impossible!
> She now goes to extremes saying people chose Mark over her
Oh really? Where have I ever claimed this?
Fact is you belong together, Mark T, Amazing Grave, Matt, Feather (who
even phones withhereticks like him or "Pastor" Dave) etc.... But since
Mark T is no Christian, you are none, either. I for one am not one of
yours, that is sure!
> so she now fights against those who were cautious enough to
> listen to their inner guidance not to fight to help her
> gain this weird kind of control over a *news group* that she
> so desperately wants to control.
More lies!
> It's almost laughable to think someone would go to such
> extremes to gain control of something they could *never*
> control in a million years even if Mark wasn't here.
The group was okay before Mark T controlled it with his thugs.
> She tries to run people off to this day which is the
> weirdest thing... really *weird* and when people disagree
> with her desire for weird control she really gets in a weird
> whirlwind and bingo.... bible verses of hate and discord
> come bouncing out of her of which Mark also sees her doing
> and displays her as one of the weirdest fundamental
> Christians he ever met.
And who of importance would care? What he is doing is libel, and he has
libelled me and lied about me for years. You cannot justify that - not
by your sweetest words ever.
> I'd have to agree in the sense that no one can take
> control of a ng and turn it into just one belief...
> hers,mine, yours,etc.
>
> But she keeps trying and trying....and trying....I really
> want to laugh about it but she's made it so serious you just
> have to have pity for her and conclude that it is rather weird.
>
> My 2 pennies in the pot. Right or wrong that's how I see it.
You cannot stop *me* from saying my opinion - ever.
The Gospel is of importance, not what you wicked person claim here.
Jesus died for my sins - however you would like to reject that - and all
who call upon Him will be saved. But the rest will all be lost - just
like you, Sensi. You will be lost in the lake of fire where all the
wicked will go - forever. No, you will not be destroyed, just thrown
there forever - after a fair trial.
>> I have no doubt that you'll be flaming ME next.
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> If you'll turn down your flame you won't be so blinded by
> your own light.
>>
>> That's ok! I wear a flame-proof suit called "The Holy Spirit."
>>
>>
>
>
> Sensi:
> Go ahead and wear your suit. Paranoia won't protect you.
> You'll smother to death from your own flames.
He will not - but you will - after being sentenced by God Himself. You
will suffer an endless death in the lake of fire where all the wicked
people will be together with you.
I hope you will enjoy it - for you have been crying for it.
I am so sorry that there is no hope for you.
::: good news runner :::
ujb <u...@bigfoot.com> typed:
Yes, it is ALL satire! And now it is my turn for Satire, SSujbSS short
bus!
ujb
sweet sweet luvs being pooned... lol haha 8-)
Sensi
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> He flatly rejects the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ. "God could not/
> cannot become flesh."
Sensi:
I can't speak for Mark but I can say He's studying the idea
that Jesus is great but God is even greater.
> The God of the Bible can assume any form He chooses. That's part of
> what is called His "Omnipotence."
Sensi:
Sure He can. He can choose you to be a part of him and send
you on a mission to help others and you could truthfully say
I and my Father are one, meaning you and He could have the
same purpose and intent to send a message of love and
forgiveness and to be of service to help heal man kind of
their differences.
God is omnipotent enough to place himself in everyone and
everything at anytime. anywhere in anyone or everyone....so
I agree with you. But I don't think you can stuff an
omnipotent God in one place, one person, one time and say
that's all folks.
>
> . You, me,
>> everyone has their own views about certain things all in the
>> realm of Christianity.
>
> Correct. But there are core beliefs. CS Lewis called them "Mere
> Christianity."
Sensi:
The core...holds the essential structure of the fruit.
In this case it's picked from the tree of knowledge. This
fruit holds the DNA in the seed,the seeds carry the
flavor,color,texture, water and design to be what it's meant
to be.
If the DNA is love and forgiveness there will be a very
special appointed messenger to deliver the core of this
fruit in the form of knowledge that it be seeded into the
minds and hearts of the people. Jesus presented this fruit
of the Spirit...He taught about it, he practiced with it, he
lived it as perfectly intended. He even died for it to
prove love and forgiveness was real He even forgave those
who crucified him. They didn't have to believe him, they
saw it *through* him.
>
> You and Mark T both reject the BASICS.
>
> I could be a tulip. I would wish with all my petals that I was a
> rose. I remain a tulip.
>
> I could be a tulip and even CALL myself "an American Beauty red
> rose".
>
> I would remain a tulip.
>
> You could call yourself a brick. You could call yourself President
> Bush. You could call yourself President-apparent Barack Obama.
>
> You're still "Sensi" (whatever your actual name is), and by your own
> "confession", you are not what Jesus and the Apostles would have
> called " a Christian."
>
> You cannot substitute your views every time you see the views of
> Jesus, and be "one of His."
>
> He said, "Obey me." You don't.
Sensi:
You lost me there...
So what does obey mean to you?
>
> It's truly that simple.. Not only do you NOT obey, you make no
> effort in that direction!
>
>
Sensi:
Can you give me an example of NO effort in that direction.
>
>> We'll stand up and fight for what we believe to be true,
>> sure. We all do this! Right or wrong.
>>
>> The difference between the two, Vera and Mark.... is Mark is
>> secure in what he believes to be true and doesn't need an
>> army to stand up and fight for him.
>
> Neither does Vera, last I looked. And I have tried to "guide" Vera
> and to correct her any number times. She shrugged me off.
>
> Yet she continues to claim Jesus Christ as her Lord.
>
Sensi:
I claim Christ as my Lord which I see the name Christ as
being that omnipotent part of God that dwells/lives in
Jesus's heart & mind who-when Jesus often went away to be
still and quiet away from the crowd he could listen to His
Father as He guided him to do His work.
I claim Jesus as my brother, my savior, my example, my
teacher, but not my Father. God is the Father, Christ is the
Son and Jesus is the example of when God and Son become one
in heart and mind with same intent and purpose. Jesus led
the way of the Father and Son relationship.
> I have no problem with that.
>
> Paul said we were each entitled to "find our own way." I did; Vera
> did.
>
>
>> The more Vera fights with him the more he sees her just as
>> he pegged her.
>
> That's between Vera and Mark T. If he had said some of the things
> to me that he's said to Vera, I might be equally angry.
>
Sensi:
I agree.....
> Christians ARE allowed to get angry.
Sensi:
Christians are human just like everyone else but everyone
else is human just like Christians.
>
>> Vera otoh wants everyone to join in her crusade to fight
>> against Mark.
>> Nobody is joining ranks with her to fight a battle war
>> against Mark.
>
> Don't say "nobody."
Sensi:
Hop right up with sword in hand.. I'll just watch from the
sidelines.
>
> There is no need to, it's a ng open to the
>> entire public. Doh....
>>
>
> SNIP
>
Sensi:
LOL.. where'd you go? Off to war again I suppose.
> At any rate, this is becoming gossip.
>
> sayonara!
>
::: good news runner :::
Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
> "john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
> news:an3n84h5u0jd3dsuh...@4ax.com...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:28:58 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:
>> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:57:22 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
>>> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You say it. They have never said one word to stop Mark, but they
>>>> even laughed with him when he prayed for my death for about 100
>>>> times or more. They are so rotten, really.
>>>
>>>
>>> And WHEN did he supposedly 'pray for your death'?
>>> Show the post, please.
>>
>> Oh, Elaine the Insane! You make claims all the time, and you don't
>> show the posts!
>
> Speaking of which, where are those posts in which I allegedly discuss
> private emails from Andrew, John?
They were right under the subject line that said so! Did you not read
what you write?
> And don't start whining about
> 'misunderstanding' or 'misremembering' - for that to be the case,
> there'd have to something to misunderstand or misremember in the
> first place. So, WHERE ARE THE POSTS?
Oh, come on - you will know where they are, since they were only posted
a short while ago... Google for the subject line, Jani! It will lead you
immediately to the posts in which you discussed private e-mails with
Andrew.
I hope my English is good enough to make myself understood... Tse...
Yeah, you were talking about e-mails from Andrew - do you want to deny
that?
Sensi
> In news:LeqdncdFAtjvARbV...@posted.socketinternetservices,
> Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
>> john w <j wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
Sensi:
Well, a good thing I don't have to search very far.
Err umm... read your own writing on the wall...
Hint....
two sentences above your last one and the whole next
paragraph below this one.
>
> Fact is you belong together, Mark T, Amazing Grave, Matt, Feather (who
> even phones withhereticks like him or "Pastor" Dave) etc.... But since
> Mark T is no Christian, you are none, either. I for one am not one of
> yours, that is sure!
>
The rest of it.....I read it but it's the same old plot with
the same old story line.
Commercial break..
ujb
please show you can read, and understand English by showing the posts.
::: good news runner :::
ujb <u...@bigfoot.com> typed:
No time for such a nonsense. If Jani wants to talk about e-mails she
exchanged with Andrew it is up to her to do as she pleases.
::: good news runner :::
Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
> john w <j wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:51:44 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
Wrong - he hates Jesus, and he has never hidden that.
::: good news runner :::
Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>> In
>> news:LeqdncdFAtjvARbV...@posted.socketinternetservices,
>> Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com> typed:
>>> john w <j wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0500, Sensi <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
Oh, that is what you meant! Why did you not say it right away? I do not
care if someone chooses "Mark over me" - the problem is more that so
called Christian people accept the heretick Mark T and fight with him
against me - a Christian. It was the way you expressed it which
distorted what I meant.
>> Fact is you belong together, Mark T, Amazing Grave, Matt, Feather
>> (who even phones withhereticks like him or "Pastor" Dave) etc....
>> But since Mark T is no Christian, you are none, either. I for one am
>> not one of yours, that is sure!
>>
>
> The rest of it.....I read it but it's the same old plot with
> the same old story line.
>
> Commercial break..
You are - of course - the hero of your own soap opera.
NOSPAM
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>I agree with you.
No one in their mind agrees with you...
ujb
> In news:69ednYabdbYUKxbV...@comcast.com,
> ujb <u...@bigfoot.com> typed:
>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>> In news:g6g6qn$2jq3$1...@energise.enta.net,
>>> Jani <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
>>>> "john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message
>>>> news:an3n84h5u0jd3dsuh...@4ax.com...
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:28:58 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:
she said there are none
NOSPAM
>x-no-archive: yes
>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:28:58 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:57:22 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
>><vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You say it. They have never said one word to stop Mark, but they even
>>>laughed with him when he prayed for my death for about 100 times or
>>>more. They are so rotten, really.
>>
>>
>>And WHEN did he supposedly 'pray for your death'?
>> Show the post, please.
>
> Oh, Elaine the Insane! You make claims all the time, and you don't
>show the posts!
Another lie from wrong-way weatherless!
> Give her the slack you demand!
>
> You are defending someone (Mark T) who has called the Bible a
>"turd."
>
>
>
I never said I was 'defending' him, short bus. I SAID I wanted to see
the post in question.
NOSPAM
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>Oh, come on - you will know where they are, since they were only posted
>a short while ago... Google for the subject line, Jani! It will lead you
>immediately to the posts in which you discussed private e-mails with
>Andrew.
And your 'proof' is???
Even if someone does talk about an email, it's no criminal offense,
you jackass.
And there is no evidence that Jani ever did.
NOSPAM
>
> I told you I would not make a special search, didn't I? (yes)
Only because you're too stupid to know how, short bus.
NOSPAM
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, it is ALL satire! And now it is my turn for Satire, SSujbSS short
>bus!
\
HEY- MOUTH.
You've been corrected numerous times concerning your wayward behavior.
Clean it up.
You are addressing a gentleman, and you will show him the proper
RESPECT.
See, short bus vera? You've been warned numerous times that your
big mouth would be your eventual downfall, and it's happening already.
Remember this warning, madame.
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>you are a psychotic, sadistic son-of-a-bitch.
\
HEY- MOUTH.
You've been corrected numerous times concerning your wayward behavior
and gutter mouth.
Clean it up.
You are addressing a gentleman, and you will show him the proper
RESPECT.
See, short bus johnnie? You've been warned numerous times that your
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wrote:
>
>It is sad but it is also her pattern. Maybe Vera will write another
>letter to President Bush to ask him to get me off the NGs LOL.
>Although didn't do much good last time.
>
>Be Well
>
>Matt
>
>
>2 Peter 1:2
>Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Thanks, Matt- Yes indeed, p'raps the old girl will- who knows? Bush
might just send her off to Iraq! :O)
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<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>In news:EbCdnSN8B6wG-hbV...@earthlink.com,
>Amazing Grace <maran...@nospamgmail.com> typed:
>> Elaine,
>> This is Mark T's site.
Only because I ASKED for the URL, short bus vera.
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<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
Quiet, you lying idiot.
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>
> I could be a tulip. I would wish with all my petals that I was a
>rose. I remain a tulip.
>
> I could be a tulip and even CALL myself "an American Beauty red
>rose".
>
> I would remain a tulip.
What an idiot.
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>
> As Dr Charlie Shedd said a few years ago, "You don't break God's
>laws; they break you."
Yeah-- you even had that sig line on that porn filth you got caught
trying to peddle, liar-johnnie...
::: good news runner :::
::: good news runner :::
In news:orhn84d6mumr85auv...@4ax.com,
NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> typed:
::: good news runner :::
In news:vnhn849pdhlo0rd1m...@4ax.com,
NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> typed:
Mark T
>> Weird Christians I Have Met. The JESUS IS BORED AWARD goes >> to those
>> on the page who have earnt it by their many ratbag religious rants and
>> Bible Verse Vomits.
>> ... found your picture and will add it to the site.
>> http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/weird-christians-at-altchristnetchristi.html
....
> Thanks
--
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"Really! Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational." - Mark
17:2 (MTV)
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believe." - Mark 17:3 (MTV)
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Wyrst Pentacostal Church
Mark T
> his brother, a homosexual who had AIDS
My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, did more in his short life to help other
people than you could ever do in several lifetimes.
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from
http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/ljf/app/&id=A9A2709F7FBEB3F9CA2571A90...
Management of the HIV Infected Patient - Dedication to Brett Tindall
Date: 01 July 1994
Author: The Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG, President, Court of Appeal,
Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996)
Type: Speech
Subjects: HIV/AIDS, Person
Location: Sydney
For some reason which I have never discovered, Brett Tindall has always been
known to his friends as Badger. Mind you, I can see some similarities
between that remarkable creature and the hero to whom this book is
dedicated. The similarities derive from the fact that each traces their
origins to the Northern Hemisphere. Each is a small but powerful animal. The
habits of each are generally nocturnal. Above all, each retains its hold
upon the object of its attention with a terrible tenacity.
Brett Tindall was born in Sydney in 1961. At the time of this publication he
is therefore 33 years of age. But what an amazing life he has packed into
those years.
He took his first degree at the Cumberland College of Health Sciences. He
spent four years as an undergraduate medical student at the University of
Newcastle in New South Wales. He did not complete his primary medical
degree. I suspect that it was because something more important came along.
The AIDS epidemic. He worked for a time in various para-medical capacities -
as a tutor in nursing studies at the Kuring-gai College of Advanced
Education and as a speech pathologist in Sydney.
But by the mid-1980s, he was in the midst of the scientific response in
Australia to the AIDS epidemic. He began as a research assistant in the
Centre for Immunology at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney in 1985. In 1987 he
was promoted to scientific officer. When the National Centre in HIV
Epidemiology and Clinical Research was established he was appointed a
research assistant to Dr (now Professor) David Cooper. In due course he was
appointed Senior Project Scientist and for a time acted as Manager of the
Administration of the Centre.
His busy life as a research scientist did not detract from his Badger-like
activities in national and international programmes addressed to the
scientific and community responses to HIV/AIDS. He served as a committee
member of the AIDS Council of New South Wales. It was the high opinion in
which he was held by his professorial colleagues, and his own outstanding
contributions to national and international conferences, that caught the
attention of the World Health Organisation in 1988. Dr Jonathan Mann, the
charismatic Director of the Global Programme on AIDS utilised Brett Tindall
repeatedly in WHO meetings concerned with the prevention of the transmission
and the reduction of discrimination once transmission is established.
Amongst the more important WHO appointments were those in 1991 and 1992 as
consultant to various governments in the Western Pacific region to assist in
the establishment of an effective HIV surveillance and policy. Brett Tindall
did not just talk about Australia's relationship with its geographical
region. He did something about it.
According to those who know him best, a critical moment occurred in Brett
Tindall's life when he discovered when he was himself infected with HIV. The
usual, one might say human, response to that discovery would be rejection,
denial and despair:
"Close up the casement, draw the blind,
Shut out that stealing moon,
She wears too much the guise she wore
Before our lutes were strewn
With years-deep dust, and names we read
On a white stone were hewn."1
But this was not the response of a Badger. Brett Tindall's discovery
coincided with the visit to Australia of Dr Robert Gallo, a famed scientist,
now controversially associated with Luc Montagnier, in the identification of
HIV. In a small workshop which Brett Tindall attended, Gallo was asked what
he would do if he found that he was infected. One scientist who knew of
Brett Tindall's late discovery of his own condition allowed his eyes to
wander to the Badger as Gallo gave his answer. "I would spend the rest of my
life trying to find a cure". Brett Tindall had his mission.
"'O where are you going?' said reader to rider
'That valley is fatal when furnaces burn,
Yonder's the midden whose odours will madden,
That gap is the grave where the tall return.'
'O what was that bird,' said horror to hearer,
'Did you see that shape in the twisted trees?
Behind you swiftly the figure comes softly,
The spot on your skin is a shocking disease.'"2
Brett Tindall has not discovered the cure for HIV/AIDS. Some sceptics say a
cure will never be found. But he did concentrate his considerable intellect
upon the task. His research, shown by his publication list, is phenomenal.
And its central focus has been upon the process of sero-conversion and the
body's responses to the entry of the AIDS virus into its midst. If the
differential impact of the virus and of the available, rudimentary modes of
treatment could be examined, out of the variations might spring ideas for
the cure. They may not present a silver bullet cure. But they may point the
way to the control of the infection and a scientific response to it which
will save lives, reduce pain and prolong the quality of life of those living
with HIV/AIDS.
I first met Brett Tindall at the IIIrd International Conference on AIDS in
Washington in June 1987. He was, by then, two years into his mission. He was
publishing furiously, usually with other heroes of the Australian scientific
work on HIV/AIDS. Ron Penny. David Cooper. Basil Donovan et alios. The
Australian contingent in Washington stole away from the rest. We took an
early dinner in a sidewalk cafe in the summer light. Ita Buttrose, who was
then (as she still is) communicating understanding to middle Australia
presided at this feast. By chance I sat next to Brett Tindall. So began a
friendship which endures. I recall how he talked of his work and how it was
the sense of urgency that he projected that was infectious. If only that
infection would overtake the other.
My service on the WHO Global Commission on AIDS threw me into contact with
Brett Tindall at the Stockholm IVth International Conference in June 1988
and at the Montreal Vth International Conference in June 1989. But then I
drifted away from AIDS whilst Brett Tindall, true to his Badger instincts,
continued to work at the burning furnaces.
In recognition of his original scientific work, the Faculty of Medicine of
the University of New South Wales admitted him to an MSc programme. The
University awarded him that degree for a thesis on "Factors Associated with
Human Immunodeficiency Virus Infection and the Development of Acquired
Immunodeficiency Syndrome". In 1993 the same University conferred upon him
its Doctorate of Philosophy. And still the co-authored papers were produced
addressed to the detailed scientific data and targeted upon the process of
sero-conversion.
At the beginning of 1994 Brett Tindall went to Spain to attend the wedding
of a friend. By chance again, I was there. But this time we did not meet. He
returned to Sydney, struggling with illness. But he was ever determined and
resourceful.
Brett Tindall's life has become a series of goals. He has not given up. He
is an inspiration to friends and colleagues alike. And his work points the
way to the ongoing struggle against HIV/AIDS. It is a copybook example of
the lesson which one of his mentors, Dr June Osborn constantly taught. Good
strategies - scientific and social - in response to HIV/AIDS must be based
upon vigilantly observed and scrupulously recorded scientific data. Not out
of myth and prejudice but out of truth will come the effective responses to
this horrible and unexpected challenge to human health.
When I think of Brett Tindall. I think of his fierce determination, his
sense of urgency, his prodigious industry and his happy mixture of attention
to the scientific and social features of HIV/AIDS. He is an example and a
model for all of us. He teaches lessons about the indomitable human spirit.
When HIV/AIDS is finally tamed, Brett Tindall will have an honoured place
amongst the heroes.
"Near the snow, near the sun, in the highest fields
See how those names are fêted by the waving grass,
The names of those who in their lives fought for life,
Who wore at their hearts the fire's centre
Borne of the sun, they travelled a short while toward the sun
And left the vivid air signed with their honour."3
MICHAEL KIRBY
Sydney, 1 July 1994
* President of the New South Wales Court of Appeal. Chairman of the
Executive, International Commission of Jurists. One-time Commissioner of the
WHO Global Commission on AIDS and Trustee of the AIDS Trust of Australia.
1. Thomas Hardy, Shut Out that Moon.
2. W H Auden, O Where are you Going?
3. Stephen Spender, I Think Continuously of Those.
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<maran...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>Elaine,
>This is Mark T's site.
>
>http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
>
Thanks, A. M. --
Mark T
>> the silliness of the current Fundamentalist Dark Age ....
>
> And your stirring it up is making it so much
> brighter ?
Yep! It's always good to have a laugh.
> Is that your goal ? What do you hope to gain
> from this ?
Maybe you could start using your God-given brain instead of trying to be an
amateur psychiatrist.
--
"We're Christians! We're not supposed to think!" Fanny Wype ("Nudist Colony
Of The Dead")
Mark T
>> the Fundamentalist Dark Age IS funny!
>>
>> See FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
>> http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
>> - a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
>> fundamentalism.
>
> Perhaps it's the comic presenting it that isn't funny
> then ?
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my
enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." - Voltaire