Who are all you people?
A. M.
the SDA's are because I read very few things that sound like the SDA truth
that I know. Most of you are obvious sunday keepers, some are very confused
catholics, and a couple of you are nothing but trouble makers. The fact
that so many, I MEAN SO VERY VERY VERY MANY PEOPLE ATTACK the SDA message,
proves to me that it is the one and only true message. I mean what other
church has so many people trying to bring in different teachings. At the
schools, the churches, on web sites, chat rooms and newsgroups, people, LOTS
OF PEOPLE gang up to try and mess up the TRUE SDA message. You have sunday
keepers telling us we are wrong. You have liberals in the church that
really should just leave and join a Sunday church since they believe the
same basic things. You have lying conservatives, some of which post here
but you are nothing new. There were always men that knew how to say the
right things, use the right phrases, even teach some truth but they only did
it to make you think they were on your side. All the while nothing changes
with them. And when you see what they really have to say you notice that
the bell just isn't right. (Know what I mean by that last statement?)
Anyway, there is group after group that is in one way or another tearing
down the true SDA message. Now which other church has such a record? NONE,
not even the Catholics which have had a few men that spoke out, but that is
all they did, and it was about minor things really. Nope, only the SDA
church has the honor of having so many people trying to tear it apart. And
you know why. Because all those people work for Satan! He hates us. He
hates the SDA message. He hates the truth.
So once again, who are all you people. Go start your own religion or
newsgroup or whatever. What is your problem? Conscience bothering you or
something? Why do you feel the obligation to come here and spout of what we
have heard a bazillion times? What we can easily prove wrong? We aren't
going to change. We aren't going away. We are right, the majority is
wrong, always has been wrong, always will be wrong.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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> I have only been reading this NG a few days now and I have to wonder where
> the SDA's are because I read very few things that sound like the SDA truth
1) Ellen White says we should decorate our trees
with cheap ribbons rather than expensive
ornaments, is this the truth you know?
2) Ellen White says that storms are a result of
Satan (rather than by God, by prayer to God,
or by Spiritual gifts granted by God), is this
the truth you know?
3) PPPA books contain a time chart, and time
is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
Some Adventist churches have steeples on
their roofs that are obelisks (representations
of penises), is this the truth you know?
4) Criticizing the use of Egyptian penises in
and on the churches resulted in repeated
arrests and psychiatric torture, and saying
points 1, 2 and 3 above only got me
brutally assaulted at a Wednesday night
Seventh Day Adventist Bible Study, and
then the police used this brutal assault as
a reason to arrest me and return me to the
Hindu psychiatrists for another round of
torture. You people have Commandments
and Ellen White and faith in Jesus and
traditions, but no compassion, is this the
truth that you know?
Saying points 1, 2 and 3 prevented me,
from being welcomed, baptized and made
a member of the Seventh Day Adventist
Church, people must agree with the teachings
of Ellen White before being baptized, keeping
in mind that she wrote so much material that
it would take years to read it all. In retrospect,
I guess I'd rather be brutally assaulted at the
SDA church than become a member of
it. I am an Adventist who attempts to abide
by God's Commandments, including His
Seventh Day Sabbath, and not a Seventh Day
Adventist. I'm on my knees and begging
God to terminate your lives and destroy
your forests, how I rejoice when I hear of
the deaths of your children and the loss
of your forests. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
Perfectly Innocent
Hi A. M.,
I am Eugene Shubert. I am my theology. I am the sum total of my
experiences, aspirations, emotions, capacities, faith etc.
So you think you're a Seventh-day Adventist? What exactly is a
Seventh-day Adventist according to you?
I define true Seventh-day Adventists as follows:
http://www.everythingimportant.org/gospel/
http://www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/essence.htm
Eugene Shubert
Perfectly Innocent
Perfectly Innocent
>
> 1) Ellen White says we should decorate our trees
> with cheap ribbons rather than expensive
> ornaments, is this the truth you know?
Dear Mr. Kabatoff,
Ellen White trivia can be enlightening at times. I searched the EGW
database for "trees & ribbons" and couldn't find your quote. Could you
please post an exact reference?
> 2) Ellen White says that storms are a result of
> Satan (rather than by God, by prayer to God,
> or by Spiritual gifts granted by God), is this
> the truth you know?
I believe you're mistaken. Where did Ellen White say that Satan causes
all storms? If Ellen White ever identified Satan as the cause of a
specific storm, please give the reference.
> 3) PPPA books contain a time chart, and time
> is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
> obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
> Some Adventist churches have steeples on
> their roofs that are obelisks (representations
> of penises), is this the truth you know?
What's a PPPA book? As far as I know, only you believe that steeples
represent penises.
Do you also visit art galleries and cry against all the abstract art
because you and you alone see obscenities in them? What person has the
authority to absolutely declare that an abstract piece of art
represents this or that? Even if it was an artist's intent to create
pornographic abstract art and if only the two of you could see the
pornography, I'd still hang it on my wall.
> 4) Criticizing the use of Egyptian penises in
> and on the churches resulted in repeated
> arrests and psychiatric torture, and saying
> points 1, 2 and 3 above only got me
> brutally assaulted at a Wednesday night
> Seventh Day Adventist Bible Study, and
> then the police used this brutal assault as
> a reason to arrest me and return me to the
> Hindu psychiatrists for another round of
> torture. You people have Commandments
> and Ellen White and faith in Jesus and
> traditions, but no compassion, is this the
> truth that you know?
You are a definite challenge to church leaders. What should be done
for a brother who is obviously mentally ill and disrupts church
meetings with crazy talk?
> Saying points 1, 2 and 3 prevented me,
> from being welcomed, baptized and made
> a member of the Seventh Day Adventist
> Church,
Does that surprise you?
> people must agree with the teachings
> of Ellen White before being baptized, keeping
> in mind that she wrote so much material that
> it would take years to read it all.
Ordinarily it takes very little reading of Ellen White's writings to
recognize her as a prophet.
> In retrospect,
> I guess I'd rather be brutally assaulted at the
> SDA church than become a member of
> it.
Why have a desire to be a member of the SDA church at all?
> I am an Adventist who attempts to abide
> by God's Commandments, including His
> Seventh Day Sabbath, and not a Seventh Day
> Adventist. I'm on my knees and begging
> God to terminate your lives and destroy
> your forests, how I rejoice when I hear of
> the deaths of your children and the loss
> of your forests. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
I understand why you believe SDAs deserve the justice of God's wrath.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/dupery.htm
What makes you think that Seventh-day Adventists have forests?
Eugene Shubert
http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=34
Perfectly Innocent
> with cheap ribbons rather than expensive
> ornaments, is this the truth you know?
Dear Mr. Kabatoff,
Ellen White trivia can be enlightening at times. I searched the EGW
database for "trees & ribbons" and couldn't find your quote. Could you
please post an exact reference?
> 2) Ellen White says that storms are a result of
> Satan (rather than by God, by prayer to God,
> or by Spiritual gifts granted by God), is this
> the truth you know?
I believe you're mistaken. Where did Ellen White say that Satan causes
all storms? If Ellen White ever identified Satan as the cause of a
specific storm, please give the reference.
> 3) PPPA books contain a time chart, and time
> is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
> obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
> Some Adventist churches have steeples on
> their roofs that are obelisks (representations
> of penises), is this the truth you know?
What's a PPPA book? As far as I know, only you believe that steeples
represent penises.
Do you also visit art galleries and cry against all the abstract art
because you and you alone see obscenities in them? What person has the
authority to absolutely declare that an abstract piece of art
represents this or that? Even if it was an artist's intent to create
pornographic abstract art and if only the two of you could see the
pornography, I'd still hang it on my wall.
> 4) Criticizing the use of Egyptian penises in
> and on the churches resulted in repeated
> arrests and psychiatric torture, and saying
> points 1, 2 and 3 above only got me
> brutally assaulted at a Wednesday night
> Seventh Day Adventist Bible Study, and
> then the police used this brutal assault as
> a reason to arrest me and return me to the
> Hindu psychiatrists for another round of
> torture. You people have Commandments
> and Ellen White and faith in Jesus and
> traditions, but no compassion, is this the
> truth that you know?
You are a definite challenge to church leaders. What should be done
for a brother who is obviously mentally ill and disrupts church
meetings with crazy talk?
> Saying points 1, 2 and 3 prevented me,
> from being welcomed, baptized and made
> a member of the Seventh Day Adventist
> Church,
Does that surprise you?
> people must agree with the teachings
> of Ellen White before being baptized, keeping
> in mind that she wrote so much material that
> it would take years to read it all.
Ordinarily it takes very little reading of Ellen White's writings to
recognize her as a prophet.
> In retrospect,
> I guess I'd rather be brutally assaulted at the
> SDA church than become a member of
> it.
Why have a desire to be a member of the SDA church at all?
> I am an Adventist who attempts to abide
> by God's Commandments, including His
> Seventh Day Sabbath, and not a Seventh Day
> Adventist. I'm on my knees and begging
> God to terminate your lives and destroy
> your forests, how I rejoice when I hear of
> the deaths of your children and the loss
> of your forests. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
I understand why you believe SDAs deserve the justice of God's wrath.
Teresita
says...
>I believe you're mistaken. Where did Ellen White say that Satan causes
>all storms? If Ellen White ever identified Satan as the cause of a
>specific storm, please give the reference.
According to Roman Catholic teachings, God is the cause of at least one storm:
Jonah 1:[4] But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a
mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.
--
Encyclopedia Teresita
http://web.newsguy.com/teresita
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> >
> > 1) Ellen White says we should decorate our trees
> > with cheap ribbons rather than expensive
> > ornaments, is this the truth you know?
>
> Dear Mr. Kabatoff,
>
> Ellen White trivia can be enlightening at times. I searched the EGW
> database for "trees & ribbons" and couldn't find your quote. Could you
> please post an exact reference?
My Adventist books are in storage, can somebody
else assist us here and find the reference where Ellen
White recommends that we turn evergreen trees into
decorated idols with cheap ribbons instead of
expensive ornaments?
> > 2) Ellen White says that storms are a result of
> > Satan (rather than by God, by prayer to God,
> > or by Spiritual gifts granted by God), is this
> > the truth you know?
>
> I believe you're mistaken. Where did Ellen White
> say that Satan causes all storms? If Ellen White
> ever identified Satan as the cause of a specific
> storm, please give the reference.
Again, my Adventist books are in storage. But
I thought it was common knowledge that this was
Ellen White's stance on storms. I was attending
the SDA churches in Saskatoon for years,
periodically I would bring up the issue and provide
Scripture that was in opposition to her view, and
this only resulted in me being treated coldly.
> > 3) PPPA books contain a time chart, and time
> > is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
> > obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
> > Some Adventist churches have steeples on
> > their roofs that are obelisks (representations
> > of penises), is this the truth you know?
> What's a PPPA book? As far as I know, only you
> believe that steeples represent penises.
PPPA stands for Pacific Press Publishing Association,
it is the major Adventist publishing house. Try reading
a book called "Babylon Mystery Religion" by Ralph
Woodrow, also see Nicholas's glitzy flash animated
web site, he mentions the phallic worship too. There
used to be a book at the Saskatoon Public Library
on Egypt and obelisks that mentioned this, but the
book has been withdrawn and to my knowledge,
none of the books now permitted in our libraries
are allowed to discuss this. Can anybody in any
North American city find a copy of Ralph
Woodrow's "Babylon Mystery Religion" on the
shelf of their local library?
> Do you also visit art galleries and cry against
> all the abstract art because you and you alone
> see obscenities in them? What person has the
> authority to absolutely declare that an abstract
> piece of art represents this or that? Even if it
> was an artist's intent to create pornographic
> abstract art and if only the two of you could
> see the pornography, I'd still hang it on my wall.
I am discussing a church that professes to be
God's Church. God's Church is supposed to
be the bulwark of truth. Art galleries are not
in the habit of teaching truth. Think of God as
an artist, let us think of His intents, or what He
intends for us. It is obscene to merge pagan
traditions in with Christian worship, yet people
support the churches that do, because they are
more concerned about friends and family there,
as opposed to God.
> > 4) Criticizing the use of Egyptian penises in
> > and on the churches resulted in repeated
> > arrests and psychiatric torture, and saying
> > points 1, 2 and 3 above only got me
> > brutally assaulted at a Wednesday night
> > Seventh Day Adventist Bible Study, and
> > then the police used this brutal assault as
> > a reason to arrest me and return me to the
> > Hindu psychiatrists for another round of
> > torture. You people have Commandments
> > and Ellen White and faith in Jesus and
> > traditions, but no compassion, is this the
> > truth that you know?
>
> You are a definite challenge to church leaders. What should be done
> for a brother who is obviously mentally ill and disrupts church
> meetings with crazy talk?
In my case, rather than simply request that I no
longer come to meetings, I was brutally assaulted
at a Wednesday night Bible study. James de Witt
(a huge fellow with arms the size of my legs)
carried me upstairs and then punched me so hard
that I was nearly killed, I was left spread out on
the front lawn. They closed the meeting and left,
and left me spread out on the lawn. I stood
outside of the Central SDA church on Saturday
and showed off my blackened face and ripped
clothes, one member told me that if I ever come
back then they would do worse to me. Then the
following week they had me arrested under the
mental health act, for being brutally assaulted at their
meeting was used as evidence that I was mentally ill.
> > Saying points 1, 2 and 3 prevented me,
> > from being welcomed, baptized and made
> > a member of the Seventh Day Adventist
> > Church,
>
> Does that surprise you?
The Moslems too have phallic minarettes,
Hindus too incorporate phallic worship in
their religion. Yes, it surprises me that a
church that claims to be the bulwark of
truth would censor phallic worship, and
incorporate representations of Egyptian
penises in it's architecture. The Adventists
are united with the Protestants and
Catholics, they hired Hindu psychiatrists to
torture me in an effort to shut me up about
their phallic traditions. The Moslems never
harmed me over this, yet.
> > people must agree with the teachings of
> > Ellen White before being baptized, keeping
> > in mind that she wrote so much material that
> > it would take years to read it all.
> Ordinarily it takes very little reading of Ellen
> White's writings to recognize her as a prophet.
I wanted to be a member of the Seventh Day
Adventist Church largely based upon the beauty
of her writings, but I was troubled with her stance
on turning trees into decorated idols by using
cheap ribbons in place of expensive decorations,
and I was troubled by her stance on storms.
And I was troubled by the church leadership
wanting me to agree that she was a prophet,
which prophecies of her's have come true?
> > In retrospect, I guess I'd rather be
> > brutally assaulted at the SDA church
> > than become a member of it.
> Why have a desire to be a member of the
> SDA church at all?
I wanted to join with a body of believers that
were united in a love of Jesus and a love of
His Commandments, including the 4th
Commandment. I was being treated with
brutality by my family members and by
the medical system, and was hoping to
find love and compassion, and assistance
to flee the country. Once charged under
the mental health system, the police would
then arrest me and say "You have a history
of mental illness, you are under arrest."
The third time this was done to me, the
police officer said "You have a long term
history of mental illness, you are under
arrest." What the psychiatrists were doing
to me was horrendous, after every round of
torture I would return to church, I'd attend
church with my head banging in pain from
the medications they were forcing upon me,
I was attending in great discomfort. But
the greatest discomfort were these people
at the church that had suits that matched
the interiors of their new cars.
> > I am an Adventist who attempts to abide
> > by God's Commandments, including His
> > Seventh Day Sabbath, and not a Seventh Day
> > Adventist. I'm on my knees and begging
> > God to terminate your lives and destroy
> > your forests, how I rejoice when I hear of
> > the deaths of your children and the loss
> > of your forests. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
>
> I understand why you believe SDAs deserve the justice of God's wrath.
> http://www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/dupery.htm
> What makes you think that Seventh-day Adventists have forests?
> Eugene Shubert
> http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=34
Everything on earth including the forests
belong to God, as God destroys His forests,
there will be fewer forests for Adventists to
enjoy, fewer trees to decorate using cleap
ribbons instead of with expensive ornaments.
God takes no real pleasure in trimming your
branches, and leaves the task to others by
providing Spiritual gifts that can and do kill.
Some storms knock over trees, some storms
knock over people. The longer you people
treat me with disrespect and the longer you
dismiss my claims to have the right to be
treated with love and compassion, the longer
God will use me as a tool to bring destruction
to your families and resources, and the longer
you people profess to have Spiritual gifts and
mock the notion that God would provide me
with powers of any consequence, the more
damage I will do.
Daryl Shawn Kabatoff
Box 7134 (6 times the 1189 chapters of the Bible)
Saskatoon Saskatchewan
Canada
S7K 4J1
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> >
> > 1) Ellen White says we should decorate our trees
> > with cheap ribbons rather than expensive
> > ornaments, is this the truth you know?
>
> Dear Mr. Kabatoff,
>
> Ellen White trivia can be enlightening at times. I searched the EGW
> database for "trees & ribbons" and couldn't find your quote. Could you
> please post an exact reference?
My Adventist books are in storage, can somebody
else assist us here and find the reference where Ellen
White recommends that we turn evergreen trees into
decorated idols with cheap ribbons instead of
expensive ornaments?
> > 2) Ellen White says that storms are a result of
> > Satan (rather than by God, by prayer to God,
> > or by Spiritual gifts granted by God), is this
> > the truth you know?
>
> I believe you're mistaken. Where did Ellen White
> say that Satan causes all storms? If Ellen White
> ever identified Satan as the cause of a specific
> storm, please give the reference.
Again, my Adventist books are in storage. But
I thought it was common knowledge that this was
Ellen White's stance on storms. I was attending
the SDA churches in Saskatoon for years,
periodically I would bring up the issue and provide
Scripture that was in opposition to her view, and
this only resulted in me being treated coldly.
> > 3) PPPA books contain a time chart, and time
> > is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
> > obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
> > Some Adventist churches have steeples on
> > their roofs that are obelisks (representations
> > of penises), is this the truth you know?
> What's a PPPA book? As far as I know, only you
> believe that steeples represent penises.
PPPA stands for Pacific Press Publishing Association,
it is the major Adventist publishing house. Try reading
a book called "Babylon Mystery Religion" by Ralph
Woodrow, also see Nicholas's glitzy flash animated
web site, he mentions the phallic worship too. There
used to be a book at the Saskatoon Public Library
on Egypt and obelisks that mentioned this, but the
book has been withdrawn and to my knowledge,
none of the books now permitted in our libraries
are allowed to discuss this. Can anybody in any
North American city find a copy of Ralph
Woodrow's "Babylon Mystery Religion" on the
shelf of their local library?
> Do you also visit art galleries and cry against
> all the abstract art because you and you alone
> see obscenities in them? What person has the
> authority to absolutely declare that an abstract
> piece of art represents this or that? Even if it
> was an artist's intent to create pornographic
> abstract art and if only the two of you could
> see the pornography, I'd still hang it on my wall.
I am discussing a church that professes to be
God's Church. God's Church is supposed to
be the bulwark of truth. Art galleries are not
in the habit of teaching truth. Think of God as
an artist, let us think of His intents, or what He
intends for us. It is obscene to merge pagan
traditions in with Christian worship, yet people
support the churches that do, because they are
more concerned about friends and family there,
as opposed to God.
> > 4) Criticizing the use of Egyptian penises in
> > and on the churches resulted in repeated
> > arrests and psychiatric torture, and saying
> > points 1, 2 and 3 above only got me
> > brutally assaulted at a Wednesday night
> > Seventh Day Adventist Bible Study, and
> > then the police used this brutal assault as
> > a reason to arrest me and return me to the
> > Hindu psychiatrists for another round of
> > torture. You people have Commandments
> > and Ellen White and faith in Jesus and
> > traditions, but no compassion, is this the
> > truth that you know?
>
> You are a definite challenge to church leaders. What should be done
> for a brother who is obviously mentally ill and disrupts church
> meetings with crazy talk?
In my case, rather than simply request that I no
longer come to meetings, I was brutally assaulted
at a Wednesday night Bible study. James de Witt
(a huge fellow with arms the size of my legs)
carried me upstairs and then punched me so hard
that I was nearly killed, I was left spread out on
the front lawn. They closed the meeting and left,
and left me spread out on the lawn. I stood
outside of the Central SDA church on Saturday
and showed off my blackened face and ripped
clothes, one member told me that if I ever come
back then they would do worse to me. Then the
following week they had me arrested under the
mental health act, for being brutally assaulted at their
meeting was used as evidence that I was mentally ill.
> > Saying points 1, 2 and 3 prevented me,
> > from being welcomed, baptized and made
> > a member of the Seventh Day Adventist
> > Church,
>
> Does that surprise you?
The Moslems too have phallic minarettes,
Hindus too incorporate phallic worship in
their religion. Yes, it surprises me that a
church that claims to be the bulwark of
truth would censor phallic worship, and
incorporate representations of Egyptian
penises in it's architecture. The Adventists
are united with the Protestants and
Catholics, they hired Hindu psychiatrists to
torture me in an effort to shut me up about
their phallic traditions. The Moslems never
harmed me over this, yet.
> > people must agree with the teachings of
> > Ellen White before being baptized, keeping
> > in mind that she wrote so much material that
> > it would take years to read it all.
> Ordinarily it takes very little reading of Ellen
> White's writings to recognize her as a prophet.
I wanted to be a member of the Seventh Day
Adventist Church largely based upon the beauty
of her writings, but I was troubled with her stance
on turning trees into decorated idols by using
cheap ribbons in place of expensive decorations,
and I was troubled by her stance on storms.
And I was troubled by the church leadership
wanting me to agree that she was a prophet,
which prophecies of her's have come true?
> > In retrospect, I guess I'd rather be
> > brutally assaulted at the SDA church
> > than become a member of it.
> Why have a desire to be a member of the
> SDA church at all?
I wanted to join with a body of believers that
were united in a love of Jesus and a love of
His Commandments, including the 4th
Commandment. I was being treated with
brutality by my family members and by
the medical system, and was hoping to
find love and compassion, and assistance
to flee the country. Once charged under
the mental health system, the police would
then arrest me and say "You have a history
of mental illness, you are under arrest."
The third time this was done to me, the
police officer said "You have a long term
history of mental illness, you are under
arrest." What the psychiatrists were doing
to me was horrendous, after every round of
torture I would return to church, I'd attend
church with my head banging in pain from
the medications they were forcing upon me,
I was attending in great discomfort. But
the greatest discomfort were these people
at the church that had suits that matched
the interiors of their new cars.
> > I am an Adventist who attempts to abide
> > by God's Commandments, including His
> > Seventh Day Sabbath, and not a Seventh Day
> > Adventist. I'm on my knees and begging
> > God to terminate your lives and destroy
> > your forests, how I rejoice when I hear of
> > the deaths of your children and the loss
> > of your forests. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
>
> I understand why you believe SDAs deserve the justice of God's wrath.
> http://www.everythingimportant.org/seventhdayAdventists/dupery.htm
> What makes you think that Seventh-day Adventists have forests?
> Eugene Shubert
> http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=34
Everything on earth including the forests
Russell G.
Most of us keep quiet. We post when a topic touches our hearts.
It is so easy to get drawn into the name-calling, invective and
character assassination (I know from personal experience) that
it is better to keep quiet.
You have so many in here, claiming to be the "true" SDA's
but are way outside what the church teaches. You have
the truely disturbed and possessed who live to cross-post
their hatred, maligning the name of Jesus with every post.
For most of us, there is a time and a place to post. But,
between all of the shoulda, coulda, woulda, SDA
wanna-bes, you have a difficult task to present the
clear, unclouded message of God's grace given
freely to any asking for it.
But, don't give up on the medium. We do have
victories, small, but victories all the same.
God bless and keep posting,
Russell G.
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Susan Williams
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>AM --
>
>Most of us keep quiet. We post when a topic touches our hearts.
I keep posting about the bold death mandate against all non-Catholics.
Is it because of the crime of this mandate that the hearts of the
Jesuit who issued the decree are touched?
>It is so easy to get drawn into the name-calling, invective and
>character assassination (I know from personal experience) that
>it is better to keep quiet.
When are you Jesuits gonna follow that advice, Jesuit?
Which advice you have ever given have you followed?
Aren't you jesuits being a little obsessive? Hardly a post can come
out of your horns that don't involve whom you accuse and name-call as
insane nuts!
>You have so many in here, claiming to be the "true" SDA's
>but are way outside what the church teaches.
Because they are upset about a bold death mandate against all
non-Catholics? Jesuit? Is that why they make you so deceptive and
obsessive?
>You have
>the truely disturbed and possessed who live to cross-post
>their hatred, maligning the name of Jesus with every post.
But hateful Jesuit, you would not see these expositions of the death
mandate if your damned cult didn't still decree the mass
exterminations of all non-Catholics!
When will centuries prove you Jesuits are incapable of having any
sense??
>For most of us, there is a time and a place to post.
Whenever we show the convicting proof that proves you are the same
killer animals as documented in Foxe's Book of Martyrs?
>But,
>between all of the shoulda, coulda, woulda, SDA
>wanna-bes, you have a difficult task to present the
>clear, unclouded message of God's grace given
>freely to any asking for it.
When the ones claiming to ask for it here defend and struggle to cover
over a bold death mandate against all non-Catholics posted below!
>But, don't give up on the medium. We do have
>victories, small, but victories all the same.
If victories involve confronting the word of the death mandate and
showing us how it is not, then you do have victories. But remember:
Rome had "victories" all throughout history that the Pharisees had.
They succeeded in acquiring the condemnation of Christ. More Jews
were able to acquire te martyrdoms of Christ's followers.
That's where you are headed!
>
>God bless and keep posting,
>Russell G.
So here we see Jesuit Nicholas and others of the super-terrorist
killers telling us it is no sense posting to looneys like us whom they
claim name-call. Russell here now joins the ranks of the Vatican
insane to tell us posting is necessary!
Here is the bold death mandate against all non-Catholics common sense
will NEVER warn Jesuit Russell to address for obvious reasons:
=================
TO THE CATHOLIC with love
OVER 2600 PAGES THAT WILL HELP THE CATHOLIC FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT
WHAT
THE VATICAN DOES BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. PLUS, THIS SITE SHARES PROPHETIC
FACTS
LINKED TO HISTORIC FACTS CONCERNING ANTICHRIST.
A REAL BLESSING TO CATHOLICS! ~> www.RemnantofGod.org
===============
What is Jesuit Nicholas's reaction to the NON-CATHOLICS?
He has deliberately ignored a bold death mandate against all
non-Catholics AND HAS THENCE ONLY ATTACKED THOSE WHO EXPOSED IT!
Here is that bold death mandate against all non-Catholics!
==================
Here therefore is the death mandate against all non-Catholics that
William Suzanne also supports along with Nicholas, Andrew, Lamarr
Edwards, and the other Jesuits...
============
These Jesuits created a post entitled, "In Defense of the Church
Wiping Out Heretics!" You can find that thread here:
In response to this, since they violate all their lying tirades
against making attacks and accusations to attack us as hateful, we
responded with another thread entitled, "IN DEFENSE OF THE CHURCH
WIPING OUR HER NEIGHBOURS"
You can find that thread here:
The thread was expounding upon the Parable of the Good Samaritan where
Christ shows how those not of our religion should be treated contrary
to the mandates of Rome!
A man by the name of Ted Seeber condemned all non-Catholic life when
with approval he told us that:
"NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible.
They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible"
You can find that statement here as I submit the evidence:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.religion.christian.adventist&scoring=r&as_drrb=b&as_mind=5&as_minm=10&as_miny=2001&as_maxd=7&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2001&selm=55de15cf.0110071743.205a5dea%40posting.google.com
Brother Ted revealed that this was done just after the 911 attacks
when America was assessng what a terrorist was with respect to human
life.
Because of the revelation, Ted Seeber had to make an excuse and leave.
He left his website up, but his pictures and other things appeared to
have disappeared from it.
Soon, another killer super-terrorist became insensed at what was done
to Ted Seeber. He then moved out to attack me as I was showing how
Seeber confirmed THAT ROME HADN'T CHANGED. She still has
mass-exterminations as part of her agenda, practice and habits. To
accomplish this she has demons in human form trained to storm all free
media and teach people how they must understand that people will
disagree.
That killer refashioned his name after mine in the reverse and called
himself "William Suzanne." The man then entered with the boldest of
lies, much like John Ashcroft telling us the Patriot Act is
Constitutional!
He comes in telling us that SEEBER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR (or represent)
Rome in his condemnation of all non-Catholics.
I had to ask the super-terrorist more than once why then he wasn't
upset with Seeber for MISREPRESENTING Rome. Jesuits are all over the
newsgroups ranting and raging claim that we MISrepresent Rome. Will
Suzanne now tells us Seeber doesn’t represent Rome! He was asked to
give an answer for why he is not upset with Seeber. As usual, the
super-terrorist then moved into an unbridled attack against the
Adventist Church LEAVING THE QUESTION COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED!!
Now some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned
all non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even
those on the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that
Seeber did just that, and they went into every manner of defense for
Seeber. As we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this.
However, since we started this work, another person came out more
boldly and gave approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She
posts under the name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great
Christian work Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of
uncountable murders of bible-believing Christians, she referred to the
work as:
"Foxe's Book of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths
because they viewed religion differently:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im%40drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003
Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have
the liberty to do in this free country.
Teresita in response lied to us, telling us that when she called
Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's Book of Heretics," she was only
referring to the Albigenses of the Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003
who were a minority group of Christians during that time:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bb521t01pej%40drn.newsguy.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dg:thl3424526807d%26dq%3D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dbb521t01pej%2540drn.newsguy.com>
How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in
that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the
Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY
ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her
next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions:
Teresita belied her claim that she was only refering to the Albigenses
when she condemned the Christian martyrs as “hereticks” by condemning
Tyndale, who was not one of the Albigenses:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com>
NEXT:
When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained
to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the
Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of
Christians because the Israelites did the same with their enemies.
Here she is freely admitting what all those “Anti-Catholics” and
“Catholic-haters” have been saying all along:
Here is that dialogue below:
From: Teresita (tere...@newsguy.com)
Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
In article <6s6bdv0l317i6dfjs...@4ax.com>, Susan says...
>
>Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
>
>We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
>in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Teresita replies:
We merely carried out God's commandment in His Eternal Word:
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your
towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what
is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his
covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or
the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have
forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall
inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an
abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth
to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you
shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures
mandated their actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament
now? Do those scriptures still exist now and have weight now IN THE
NEW TESTAMENT??
LASTLY AND MOST STRONGLY:
After telling us that just to expose these facts about Rome she is now
boldly admitting is hatred, what would happen if we took a look at
what ANTI-PROTESTANTISM always was throughout the ages? When we
brought this issue about hatred up for her condemning the lives of all
non-Catholics, this is how she declared Rome didn’t hate her victims
she was killing:
I wrote:
In article <3dqrmvoit629haa6l...@4ax.com>, Susan
Williams says...
>But super-terrorists--I mean SUPER-TERRORISTS, we are waiting for
>evidence. We were not born to listen to the worst killers on the
>earth who tell us what we must do, but when we expose how they are
>they tell the world we hate Catholics. They can kill all
>non-Catholics they say, BUT THEY DON'T HATE THEM!
Teresita replies:
It's nothing personal. It's just business.
--
Encyclopedia Teresita
Now the man who was ready to pull out his hair telling us that Ted
Seeber didn’t represent Rome when he condemned the lives of all
non-Catholics is nowhere to be found with Teresita boldly confirming
the same. He was asked to comment about the words of Teresita, but
how can you force centuries experienced killers to commit suicide??
Instead he attacks the Adventist Church as a dangerous cult:
Super-terrorist William Suzanne:
>They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking
>a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them,
>but what do they really believe?
Susan Williams:
True Adventist are not like that. The problem is that demon-possessed
killers from the Antichrist such as William Suzanne have infiltrated
our church to the CORE. That is why when Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics to persecution and death, Paul Tooley came in to lie
claimng that he didn't do that, and then attacked me for exposing him.
They are trying to tell us that it is standard behavior for Adventists
to attack people who expose death mandates against all non-Catholics,
and that I am therefore not one.
Antichrist Andrew then attacked, claiming that by Brother Ted
frequently posting, he has childhood trauma and a dysfunctional home.
All of these said not the slightest word against the man who condemned
them to death.
COMPARE THE ISSUES THE SUPER-TERRORIST IS BRINGING AGAINST THE
ADVENTIST CHURCH WITH WHAT I'M SHIOWING YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU WOULD
PREFER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
William Suzanne:
>What facts won't they tell you?
Susan Williams:
Will Adventists tell you that you must protect a man who has condemned
the lives of all non-Catholics? Will they then tell you that a person
who exposes such a person is hateful and Satan’s child as William
Suzanne, Lamarr Edwards, "Adventist" Paul Tooley and "Adventist"
Andrew have done?
COMPARE THE ISSUES THE SUPER-TERRORIST IS BRINGING AGAINST THE
ADVENTIST CHURCH WITH WHAT I'M SHIOWING YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU WOULD
PREFER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
William Suzanne:
>They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only,
>true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they
>revere and believe without question has told them that
Susan Williams:
I would tell anyone that. But do you know folks that the major reason
Rome has shed more blood than any institution on earth was because all
those centuries of the Christian era SHE HAS BEEN SAYING THAT SHE WAS
THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH?? Do you know that she recently published a
public document REAFFIRMING THIS?? Why then is Will upset at us for
what he claims is the major crime of claiming to be the true church?
Now the man is telling us the Adventist Church is trying to hide the
claim. Rome doesn't hide the claim. Would something smell bad if the
Evangelical community accepts Rome anyway even though her claims to be
the true church always involves the shedding of much blood to those
who disagree?
Watch the demon work:
William Suzanne:
>"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts
>V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to
>God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).
>That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won't say
>it out loud in public, or to your face.
>
Susan Williams:
Now listen to what the Protestants used to say BEFORE, so that we can
figure out if something has taken possession of them:
"But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted
to ask the following question, 'Has not Rome changed recently?' To
answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of
D. Martyn Lloyd Jones:
'Ah, but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You
are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th
century - don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?
My answer is quite simple. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic
Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she
change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the
past - but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the
Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she
says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim!
She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church
of Rome remains the same.
If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she
taught in the 16th century, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No,
there is no change in the Church of Rome. And if there ever is one
great world Church, it will be because the Church of Rome has absorbed
all the rest and swallowed them in ignorance!'
=============
William Suzanne:
>They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this
>statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never
>retracted it:
Susan Williams:
What the super-terrorists won't tell you AND WHAT THEY HAVE NOT
RETRACTED! COMPARE THE "CRIMES!":
"If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this
country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, SO WE
BELIEVE" (The Shepherd of the Valley, official journal of the Bishop
of St Louis, Nov. 23, 1851).
William Suzanne claiming to quote Adventist sources:
>"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen
>White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the
>Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the
>other".
Susan Williams:
"No man has a right to choose his religion." -- (New York Freeman,
official journal of Bishops Hughes, Jan. 26, 1852).
William Suzanne:
>They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public
>seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point
>of conversion and baptism.
>
>Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the
>candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,
>
>"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe
>that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the
>remnant church".
>
>If the candidate says "yes" and is baptized, they soon learn that the
>"gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them
>accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy.
>They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know
>how exclusive it is, yet!
Susan Williams:
"The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor,
liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World,
April, 1870.)
"Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where
Catholicity has triumphed." -- (Catholic Review, June, 1875)
William Suzanne:
>No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word
>Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and
>doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that
>the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.
>
>Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these
>extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from
>Evangelical Christianity.
Susan Williams:
"Religious Liberty is merely endured UNTIL THE OPPOSITE CAN BE CARRIED
INTO EFFECT WITHOUT PERIL TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." -- (Rt. Rev.
O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)
"The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty
of conscience are a most pestilential error--a pest, of all others,
most to be dreaded in a state." -- Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius IX,
August 15, 1854.
"There is, ere long, to be a state religion in this country, and that
state religion is to be the Roman Catholic. . . The Roman Catholic is
to wield his vote for the purpose of securing Catholic ascendancy in
this country." -- (Father Hecker, Catholic World, July, 1870.)
"If the liberties of the American people are ever destroyed, they will
fall by the hands of the Catholic clergy." -- Lafayette
"You ask if the Pope were lord over this land and you were in a
minority, what he would Do to you? That, we say, would entirely depend
on circumstances. If it would benefit the cause of Catholicism, he
would tolerate you: if expedient, he would imprison, banish you,
probably he might even hang you. But be assured of one thing, he would
never tolerate you for the sake of your glorious principles of Civil
and religious liberty." -- (Rambler, one of the most prominent
Catholic papers of England, Sept., 1851.)
WHICH WOULD YOU WANT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!
How about William Suzanne telling us that ELLEN WHITE, dead for almost
100 years, IS THE ANTICHRIST!! When Christ comes, He will smell like
a rose just ressurrecting Ellen White to punish her for destroying the
earth!!
In His Grace,
Susan Williams
Russell G.
So far this last century, there were 2 major pogroms
that were carried out. The first was against the Jews
during the holocaust. The second was against the
Tutzi's in Rwanda during the 1990's.
There is a little known other going on as we speak
in the Sudan. Where Christians are being killed
daily by Muslims.
All of your tirading against Ted Seeber, Teresita
and EVERYONE else hasn't helped. Because
while they may believe the RCC was right in what
it did, they have NOT killed anyone.
You, demon Susan, are guilty though. You would have
the nature of Christ worn as a mantle of insanity
and hatred.
BTW, what SDA church are you supposedly
a member of?
Russell G.
"Susan Williams" <SWilliams...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:equ000h3eatgemcah...@4ax.com...
William Suzanne
about Satanic influences and learn the lies of anti-Christ:
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow
not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not
spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not
be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
Mrs. White did not make very many predictions, but she made
enough predicitions for us to examine whether or not she failed.
Remember, a TRUE prophet of God will NEVER make a false prediction:
Prediction #1: Jesus will return in June, 1845
Lucinda Burdick and Ellen Harmon [White] were close friends during the
mid-1840's. Mrs. Burdick, the wife of a pastor, had many opportunites
to hear Mrs. White's prophecies. Here Mrs. Burdick testifies of a
prophecy Mrs. White made:
"During the year 1845 I met Miss Ellen G. Harmon several times at my
uncle's house in South Windham, Me. The first of these meetings was in
the month of May, when I heard her declare that God had revealed to
her that Jesus Christ would return to this earth in June, the next
month." (Lucinda Burdick, notarized letter, published in Limboline)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Ellen Harmon said "God revealed to her" that Jesus would come in June
of 1845. This is an absolute failure. We can stop right here and know
without a doubt that, according to Deut. 18:22, we have nothing to
fear from this prophet. She has proven to be wrong, thus indicating
she does not speak for God. But if this is not enough evidence for
you, let us go on...
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #2: Jesus will return in September, 1845
Mrs. Burdick again testifies:
"During the haying season I again met her in company with James White
at the same place, and heard my uncle ask her about the failure of the
Lord to appear in June according to her visions. She replied that she
had been told in the language of Canaan which she did not understand;
but that she had since come to understand that Christ would return in
September, at the second growth of grass instead of the first."
(Ibid.)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Did Christ return in September of 1845? Obviously not. Another obvious
failure.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #3: Whites to be Thrown in Prison in 1846
Mrs. Burdick again testifies of statements made by Ellen White in
1846:
"Once, when on their way to the eastern part of Maine, she saw that
they would have great trouble with the wicked, be put in prison, etc.
This they told in the churches as they passed through. When they came
back, they said they had a glorious time. Friends asked if they had
seen any trouble with the wicked, or prisons? They replied, 'None at
all.'" (Ibid.)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Sister White "saw" they would have trouble with the wicked during
their trip. However, when they returned, they reported no such thing.
A prophecy does not get any more false than this!
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #4: The Great Pestilence that Never Came
In 1849, Mrs. White penned these memorable words:
"What we have seen and heard of the pestilence [of 1849], is but the
beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will
be all around us." (Present Truth, Sept. 1849).
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
The "pestilence" she was describing turned out to be a local
phenomena, not a sign of the imminent end of the world. Not long after
this prophecy was penned the pestilence ended and the United States
entered a period of peace and prosperity that lasted for many years.
She said "soon the dead and dying will be all around us." What does
soon mean? It has been over 150 years! She said the dead would be
around "us". That meant herself. She was saying the dead would be
around her. This never happened in her lifetime. Another obvious
prophetic failure.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #5: Jesus to come in "months"
In 1850 Sister White tells us what her angel told her:
"My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get
ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we
have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months."
(Early Writings, pp. 64-67)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
What is your definition of "a few months"? Three? Five? Well, it has
been 1,822 months since Mrs. White said only a "few months" remained.
She was certainly saying there were not "years" left, because she said
that what others had learned in "years", recent converts would have to
learn in "months." This is yet another failure.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #6: Some at 1856 Conference to see Jesus return
Unlike the previous failures, this one got widespread attention
because it was published in the "Testimonies to the Church" and many
people read it. In 1856, while attending a church conference, Mrs.
White had a vision:
"I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel:
'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some
will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming
of Jesus.'" Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Everyone at this conference passed away generations ago. Not a single
one was "alive" and "upon the earth to be translated at the coming of
Jesus." This is Ellen White's most terrific prophetic failure.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #7: Earth to be depopulated soon
In 1864 Sister White wrote:
"The human family was presented before me, enfeebled. Every generation
has been growing weaker, and disease of every form visits the human
race.... Satan's power upon the human family increases. If the Lord
should not soon come and destroy his power, the earth would soon be
depopulated." Testimony #8, p.94, in Spiritual Gifts III-IV
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Again we find the word "soon". In 1864 she said the earth would "soon"
be depopulated. Did that happen soon after 1864? Well, by 1900 the
earth's population had soared to 1.6 billion people. Today there are
over 6 billion. By 2050 there may be 25 billion people on the planet.
Because of better nutrition advances in medicine, and improved living
conditions, each generation is living longer, healthier, stronger,
taller, etc. This is nothing less than a spectacular failure.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #8: Slavery to Revive in the South
Here is another infamous prediction made by Mrs. White:
"Slavery will again be revived in the Southern States; for the spirit
of slavery still lives. Therefore it will not do for those who labor
among the colored people to preach the truth as boldly and openly as
they would be free to do in other places. Even Christ clothed His
lessons in figures and parables to avoid the opposition of the
Pharisees." (Spalding, Magan Collection, page 21 and 2 MR #153, page
300)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
Was slavery ever revived in the Southern United States? Of course not!
And it never will be revived again. Thanks be to God, slavery is dead
and gone. This is another prophetic debacle.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #9: Sick man to recover
In 1873, the editor of the Swedish edition of Advent Herald, Mr. C.
Carlstedt, had become seriously ill with Typhoid fever. Mrs. White and
others were called to his bedside to pray for Carlstedt. On their way
home from the prayer meeting, Mrs. White remarked that the Lord was...
"present with his restoring power, to raise Carlstedt, whose sickness
was not unto death, but to the glory of the Son of God." (Charles Lee,
Three Important Questions for Seventh-Day Adventists to Consider)
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
SDA minister Charles Lee was at the prayer meeting and was a witness
to Mrs. White's prediction. Sadly, Mrs. White was dead wrong.
Carlstedt was dead within one week of her statement. A horrific failed
prediction.
---------------------------------------------
Prediction #10: Rappings will increase
Mrs. White claimed she saw in vision from God the rappings of the Fox
Sisters and others would increase:
I saw that soon it would be considered blasphemy to speak against the
rapping, and that it would spread more and more, that Satan's power
would increase and some of his devoted followers would have power to
work miracles and even to bring down fire from heaven in the sight of
men. Early Writings, p. 59.
Pass or Fail? FAILURE!
This prophecy was a marked failure. We have seen no evidence it was
ever condsidered blasphemy to speak against the rapping. Even though
the Spiritualism movement increased in popularity for a short period
during the mid-1800s, it eventually died down. The movement was
already on the decline prior to the Fox sisters' admission in 1888 of
fakery, and after their deaths in the 1890s it continued to decline.
The entire Spiritualist movement fizzled out in the 1920s after
popular magician Harry Houdini exposed numerous popular mediums as
fakes and frauds.
DID ANY OF HER PREDICTIONS COME TRUE?
Mrs. White made some vague predictions about crime worsening and
cities becoming more polluted. These type of predictions are difficult
to judge, because many other people of her day were saying the same
thing. The problem is that if we considered everyone who made such
generalized predictions to be prophets, then we would literally have
thousands of prophets. General predictions about worsening crime and
pollution simply do not substantiate a prophet's claims. A prophet
must be measured on specific predictions and specific results.
In His True Grace,
William Suzanne
William Suzanne
Ellen White's description of Satan: "I was then shown Satan as he was,
a happy, exalted angel. Then I was shown him as he now is. He still
bears a kingly form. His features are still noble..."
--- from "Spiritual Gifts" Vol. 1, p. 27-28
In true Christianity, Christ bore our sins...according to Ellen White,
Satan is to bear our sins..
"As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed
them upon the scapegoat, so Christ will place those sins upon
Satan..." THE GREAT CONTROVERSY, Pg 422, 485-486
Christ will pass the sins onto satan??? IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE. Read
PROVERBS 30:5-6 again
She contradicts the Bible over 50 times! (Devil)
THE WORST OF SATANIC CULTIC BEHAVIOUR REVEALED BELOW
Shocking: as an anti-christ, her possessed, brainwashed cult followers
are baptized into Ellen G. White, not God! How does this happen? Cult
baptismal candidates do not realize what has happened. The pastor or
Bible teacher will teach the baptismal candidates that Ellen G. White
has the "Spirit of Prophecy."
Summary of Doctrinal Beliefs, Number 20. "The church is to come
behind in no gift, and the presence of the gift of the Spirit of
prophecy is to be one of the identifying marks of the remnant church.
(I Car. 1:5-7; 12:1-28; Amos 3:7; Hosea 12:10, 13; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)
Seventh-day Adventists recognize that this gift was manifested in the
life and ministry of Ellen G. White."
Note: As you can see the candidate is taught that Ellen G. White had
the "Spirit of Prophecy." But when the candidate is quizzed before
the church they use the "Vows" which does not mention EGW in the "
Baptismal Vow and Baptism number 8.
Vow number 8. "Do you accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts,
and do you believe that the gift of prophecy in the remnant church is
one of the identifying marks of that church?" (See pp. 39, 40, 293.)
Note: To the candidate, the remnant church is the Seventh-day
Adventist Church, and the gift of prophecy in the Adventist church is
Ellen White. So if you did not hear Ellen G. White mentioned in your
vows, this is the reason, you had already agreed to it in your
indoctrination. And when the church hears the vows it is assumed by
all that you have accepted Ellen White.
Perfectly Innocent
> In true Christianity, Christ bore our sins...according to Ellen White,
> Satan is to bear our sins..
> "As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed
> them upon the scapegoat, so Christ will place those sins upon
> Satan..." THE GREAT CONTROVERSY, Pg 422, 485-486
> Christ will pass the sins onto satan??? IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
Scholars from a wide variety of Christian denominations agree with
Seventh-day Adventists that Azazel represents Satan in Leviticus 16.
See chapters 34 and 35 of
http://www.maranathamedia.com.au/Download/Books/Questions%20on%20Doctrine.pdf
The Scapegoat
The Azazel goat (pronounced in Hebrew as aw-zah-zale), translated as
scapegoat in the King James Version, was one of two goats chosen for a
ceremony on The Day Of Atonement. The first goat was sacrificed, while
the scapegoat was taken out into the wilderness and released.
"Then he shall take the two goats, and set them before The Lord at the
door of the tent of meeting; and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two
goats, one lot for The Lord and the other lot for Azazel. And Aaron
shall present the goat on which the lot fell for The Lord, and offer
it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel
shall be presented alive before The Lord to make atonement over it,
that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel." (Leviticus
16:7-10 RSV)
"And when he has made an end of atoning for The Holy Place and the
tent of meeting and the altar, he shall present the live goat; and
Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and
confess over him all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all
their transgressions, all their sins; and he shall put them upon the
head of the goat, and send him away into the wilderness by the hand of
a man who is in readiness. The goat shall bear all their iniquities
upon him to a solitary land; and he shall let the goat go in the
wilderness." (Leviticus 16:20-22 RSV)
The Sacrificed Goat - A Symbol of Jesus Christ
The blood of the sacrificed goat was taken by the high priest Aaron
and sprinkled on the atonement cover, or mercy seat, of The Ark Of The
Covenant inside The Most Holy Place of The Tabernacle In The
Wilderness once per year on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:15-17).
This depicts the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, our "High Priest"
(Hebrews 8:1) entering The Throne Room of God to make atonement for
humanity once for all time (Hebrews 9:23-28).
The Scapegoat - A Symbol of Satan
The scapegoat was not killed, just as the spirit Satan cannot be
killed. Instead, all of the guilt of the people was symbolically
placed on the head of the scapegoat, who was then taken out into the
wilderness and released (Leviticus 16:21-22).
This goat represents the condemnation of Satan (see That Old Serpent)
for the Satan-inspired sins of all humanity, and his being put away in
a spiritual wilderness (Revelation 20:3,10). The sending of the azazel
goat out into the wilderness as done by the Old Testament high priest
after he returned from inside The Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle is
a ceremonial "preview" of Jesus Christ sending Satan into the abyss
which will be done after His Return from the Throne Room of God The
Father.
The original meaning of scapegoat was "escape goat," the goat that was
allowed to "escape" with its life. The accepted modern meaning of
scapegoat, someone who is punished for the wrongs of others, is not at
all accurate for Satan. He is as guilty as guilty can be, and he
deserves everything that's coming to him.
Eugene Shubert
http://www.everythingimportant.org
Cindy
> And here we have a FINE example of the lunatic fringe.
Russell just posted this, so we can see what touches his heart, and
how he responds so easily in the way he does:
"Most of us keep quiet. We post when a topic touches our hearts.
It is so easy to get drawn into the name-calling, invective and
character assassination (I know from personal experience) that
it is better to keep quiet."
He only keeps quiet, when people answer his attacks and namecalling,
and he has no answer to their questions:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=312ttvo5q6ch1oggjvdoglic0ovm6diibj%404ax.com&output=gplain
>
> So far this last century, there were 2 major pogroms
> that were carried out. The first was against the Jews
> during the holocaust. The second was against the
> Tutzi's in Rwanda during the 1990's.
You missed this one which even the Nazi's were shocked at included in
this post even tho the Ustashi have been been posted about how many
times?
>
> There is a little known other going on as we speak
> in the Sudan. Where Christians are being killed
> daily by Muslims.
>
> All of your tirading against Ted Seeber, Teresita
> and EVERYONE else hasn't helped. Because
> while they may believe the RCC was right in what
> it did, they have NOT killed anyone.
And as I asked you before why is it you know How Not to give the
second angels message, but then can never demonstrate how to give it
in any kind of way at all here on this NG?
No one who supports murder has the law of God written in their heart
Russell.
You defend murderers, what does that tell us? and if you don't like
what I say, THEN take it up with Jesus Christ, he's the one who
identified the pharissees as murderers and they didn't even say their
ancestors were right for killing the prophets, WHO HAD THEY KILLED
WHEN JESUS SAID THAT RUSSELL??
>
> You, demon Susan, are guilty though. You would have
> the nature of Christ worn as a mantle of insanity
> and hatred.
Russell forgot what he just wrote?
"Most of us keep quiet. We post when a topic touches our hearts.
It is so easy to get drawn into the name-calling, invective and
character assassination (I know from personal experience) that
it is better to keep quiet."
> BTW, what SDA church are you supposedly
> a member of?
Isn't there only one? Is it a what, or a who?
~ Cindy
You may read the balance in the previous post...
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>
> > all the abstract art because you and you alone
> > see obscenities in them? What person has the
> > authority to absolutely declare that an abstract
> > piece of art represents this or that? Even if it
> > was an artist's intent to create pornographic
> > abstract art and if only the two of you could
> > see the pornography, I'd still hang it on my wall.
>
> I am discussing a church that professes to be
> God's Church. God's Church is supposed to
> be the bulwark of truth. Art galleries are not
> in the habit of teaching truth. Think of God as
> an artist, let us think of His intents, or what He
> intends for us. It is obscene to merge pagan
> traditions in with Christian worship, yet people
> support the churches that do, because they are
> more concerned about friends and family there,
> as opposed to God.
You need to stop this great sin of yours. Stop accusing architects
of designing church steeples to represent penises. You have no
confessions. You don't know the thoughts of any architect. Only you
believe that church steeples look like Egyptian penises. What do you
think of the fingers on your hand? Don't they look more like little
penises than a church steeple?
Eugene Shubert
http://www.everythingimportant.org
Russell G.
touches her heart. Tearing and knashing her
teeth on those of us that are SDA's BUT
refuse to scream and shout about their
favorite pogroms.
I WILL defend murders. And if you have
a complaint about that, perhaps you should
go to the great Chief Defender of all
sinners (yes, including murder) Jesus
the Christ.
I HOLD OUT HOPE these self-same,
so-called "murders" might come to a
knowledge of the truth. I further recognize
that it is NOT my responsability to bring
them to repentence but it is God's. My
voice has to remain true to its calling by
God.
As far as your "questions"...
Susan (demon) Williams asked....
"He is not a liar. He is not a damned liar, Russell is a Jesuit liar!!
He did not address the compulsion of the Bush Administration yet.
None of the servants of the Antichrist have! Is there a necessity for
a comparison?"
No answer necessary here. We can disagree about politics
in honesty and still not be the dreaded "Jesuit".
Susan (demon) Williams asked....
"I expose killer Jesuits like yourself! What is the Bush
Administration's REAL PROBLEM with a terrorist who is more innocent by
the name of Osama Bin Laden?
CAN YOU JESUITS ADDRESS YOUR REAL PROBLEM IN PRETENDING YOU ARE NOT
BEING ASKED QUESTIONS TO THE POINT OF COMPULSIVELY TRAILING OUR POSTS?"
It is to laugh and cry at the same time.
Susan (demon) Williams asked ....
"You must be talking about your Jesuit butt! I was not even the one
who said we all must disagree, JESUIT!"
I don't believe I was the one either, demon.
Susan (demon) Williams asked...
"[speaking of Cindy's straw man in Teresita] None of the murderers
ever are, for another murderer is not here to
find the truth, but is here to preserve the murderers! Notice that
Nicholas also hasn't found anything important either. The death
mandate against all non-Catholics has not yet caught his Jesuit eye
though we did everything to bring it to his Antichrist attention.
O EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT!!"
Nothing to answer here except an unproven rant. You see
Cindy, when you do nothing but rant and rave against
select individuals you "drive them to distraction." Did it
EVER occur to you that Teresita or Ted Seeber said
the church had a right to do what it did because it sent
ALL of you hard-core, fanatical Catholic-haters into
a royal tizzy?
Which was my real point. I believe the Catholic church
was wrong in what they did in the middle ages. I believe
that God's church in the last days will suffer similarly.
BUT, that suffering will be brought on by a conglomeration
of forces. Not just one. Funny, but you don't hear
anything from any of you about the Baptists, or the
Episcopalians on the same subject. Of course, you
haven't found anyone yet to rave against either.
Susan (demon) Williams said....
[regarding my comment on praying for Ted Seeber and
her calling anyone who did so a JESUIT.]
"YES!! Who has prayed for or protected HIS VICTIMS!!
You prayed for Osama everytime America tries to bring his crimes to
light, Jesuit?"
Jesus told us to pray for our enemies. For those who would
despitefully use us. I DO not consider Ted Seeber an
enemy. An enemy is one you need to kill or get out of the
way for you to be a success. I didn't agree with Ted, nor
do I agree with you. But, I can successfully and will
continue to pray for both of you.
Oh, yes, I can pray for Osama with a clear conscience too.
Or don't you think he needs God's salvation?
Susan then almost has a lucid moment....
">> Let's see, Nicholas (who espouses SDA principles -- not in a manner
>> I would) is labeled a Jesuit. Andrew is labeled a Jesuit. Others
>> who have posted on this net have been as well who do NOT deserve it have
>> been.
O You mean as non-Catholics they noticed a death mandate against all
non-Catholics? Or did they succumb to obsessively attacking anyone
who exposes it?
Non-Jesuits can understand what I am saying Russell. That's why you
obsessively join the Jesuits in trailing my posts!"
Un huh. Let's see. You have posted about a gazillion times.
I have posted regarding your wackiness and rants less than
10 (since I am not sure make it 20). Yup, that must be compulsive.
Susan/Ted, if you want to be seen as less compulsive, you might
consider taking your rants and raves, placing them into an FAQ
and then posting them to your favorite groups about like other
FAQ's. Once or twice a month. You might have an impact
then.
The rest of Cindy's "factual questions" reference continues in a like
vein. Susan claims an obsession to reference and reply to her
posts. Already proven untrue. I think Susan has a problem
trying to keep who is and who is not replying clear in her
mind.
I also think both Cindy and Susan have a problem identifying
what is an what is not a "supercrime". Because for all their
posturing and ranting and raving, it all comes down to a
difference of opinion and interpretation.
Because I don't TOE their line I am a Jesuit infiltrator.
Because they obsess over certain people and personalities,
I believe that Susan/Ted at least is possessed.
So, Cindy, I don't think you can say NOT responding to
Susan's rants and raves is "running away." But you are
still acting as an enabler for Susan/Ted.
It's hard to tell which is worse. To be the dependent or
the co-dependent. Which are you Cindy?
Russell G.
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> > >
> > > is being marked with the use of an Egyptian
> > > obelisk, which is a representation of a penis.
>
> > believe that steeples represent penises.
>
> PPPA stands for Pacific Press Publishing Association,
> it is the major Adventist publishing house.
What book published by PPPA has a time chart that has anything to do
with any Egyptian obelisk? How many Egyptologists believe that the
obelisks of Egypt represent penises?
Eugene Shubert
http://www.everythingimportant.org
Truth
> Spoken by a non-SDA. So we can see what
> touches her heart. Tearing and knashing her
> teeth on those of us that are SDA's BUT
> refuse to scream and shout about their
> favorite pogroms.
We are all accountable Russell.
>
> I WILL defend murders.
So why accuse me, and announce your personal judgment that I am
"tearing and gnashing my teeth" because you do not follow my "favorite
program", simply because I recognize that, yes, you do defend murders?
I serve a God who says "thou shalt not kill" and who warns us about a
race of murderers, so that we may know where the danger lies, and warn
others, Jesus calls for his people to come out from among them, that
they not partake of her sins, which have reached up to heaven, and
receive not of her plagues, and you defend them where they are at?
Yes I WILL say this is wrong, Yes I WILL point this out so you can at
least consider this, or address it, and if you continue to defend
murder, at least others will be aware of what you are doing.
Jer 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye
that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned
against the LORD.
> a complaint about that, perhaps you should
> go to the great Chief Defender of all
> sinners (yes, including murder) Jesus
> the Christ.
Jesus is NOT the minister of sin, he came to save his people from
their sins NOT in them, and we are called to rebuke sin, NOT defend
it. A murderer may be saved, even a mass murderer may be saved, but
from the moment they repent, and commit themselves to Jesus, they are
NOT murderers anymore. Jesus would defend them, as would I, but that
is NOT the case with those posting here, they do not listen to
rebukes, heed reproofs, answer questions, or repent, they have the
same beliefs and sentiments and murderous mandates, as unchanging Rome
and defend that. And You say right along with them: " I WILL defend
murders" ?
>
> I HOLD OUT HOPE these self-same,
> so-called "murders" might come to a
> knowledge of the truth. I further recognize
> that it is NOT my responsability to bring
> them to repentence but it is God's. My
> voice has to remain true to its calling by
> God.
>
And how will they come to the knowledge of the truth without people
identifying the false and identifying the truth???? Is murder wrong?
do you tell those who defend this that it is wrong? or do you love and
defend them and think this will help the Holy spirit reach their
heart, and convict them? I remember you posting about your military
service, and being a medic because you would save life and not take
it, that post touched me, but it is not compatable with what you are
doing here.
It is not our job to convict, it is the Holy spirit who speaks to the
heart, but the gospel
begins with the call to repentance. Every preacher of righteousness in
the bible began in that same way, Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift
up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression,
and the house of Jacob their sins.
Here is the messenger who prepared the way for Jesus:
Mar 1:1-4 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of
God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger
before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.The voice of
one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his
paths straight.John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the
baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Here is how our example Jesus Christ began his earthly ministry:
Mar 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into
Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The
time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and
believe the gospel.
Rome is antichrist, ruled and led by Satan, the enemy of God, we are
not to be silent and complaisent about this, by saying "we shouldn't
be mean to antichrist, or Rome's agents, we should love and forgive
them" That is Romes message to the world, so that they will unite
with her, as prophesy tells us will happen.
W H A T K I N D O F W A R P E D M E S S A G E I S T H I S?
Twisting God's truth to serve the antichrist agenda:
Love God's enemies more than your neighbor, to the extent that your
neighbor is not warned and is harmed?
Love God's enemies more than your brethren, to the point that in
defending God's enemies you only attack and accuse the brethren, and
hinder the work?
This is a most monsterous deceit. Love becomes hate and hate becomes
love, and all the world wander after the beast, and think they are
doing God service...
I am posted a rather long EGW article today,"The apostasy" it is my
prayer that her message will be used mightily by God, to reach those
who will hear, to wake them up and cause them to look around them, and
begin to recognize what is happening here.
> As far as your "questions"...
As Far as my questions you yanked statements out of context so you did
not even address the actual points, nor did you even attempt to answer
the main questions. Anyone who cares to see this, only has to go to
the link I posted, and then compare it to what you posted. Nor did you
even address my reply below. So how can I respond further? As I said
we are all accountable, and you make your own choices Russell, and as
you explained, you only respond to what touches your heart.
~ Cindy
Russell G.
God bless,
Russell G.
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