Re: If Jesus knew of the betrayal... answered

[Pastor Frank]

"clamato" <cla...@operamail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 25, 5:49 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> "Reuben Hick" <outerdarkn...@warmoose.com> wrote in message
>> news:U10Ak.383$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> > "Thommadura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> >> old man joe wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:31:15 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear...@nativeweb.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> "If Jesus knew of the betrayal because it was part of God's plan
>> >>>> then
>> >>>> the curse on Judas is ungodlike. Clergymen seem able to accept that
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> man following God's plan to the letter can also be a traitor. If it
>> >>>> were simply God's purpose to sacrifice an innocent man, Jesus could
>> >>>> have given himself up to the authorities making himself look even
>> >>>> more
>> >>>> innocent and humble. In reality many people had seen Jesus preaching
>> >>>> and anyone of them could have pointed the authorities to the Garden
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> Gethsemane and the Mount of Olives where Jesus had been in the habit
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> watching for the miracle for the last week. The chief priests had
>> >>>> argued with him face to face and knew Jesus in person so, having
>> >>>> found
>> >>>> the gang's hideout, they could have identified Jesus themselves but
>> >>>> Judas theatrically and unnecessarily kisses Jesus on the cheek to
>> >>>> betray him. The betrayal has no purpose except to incriminate the
>> >>>> perfidious Jew." (Dr M D Magee; Defeat and Capture; Contents
>> >>>> Updated: 9
>> >>>> November 1998;
>> >>>>http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0460DefeatCapture.html#top)
>>
>> >>> the fact that Jesus was ... " delivered up by the predetermined
>> >>> plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of
>> >>> godless men and put [Him] to death. " ( Acts 2:23 ) ...
>> >>> ...is nothing new ( for He used the wickedness of Pharaoh to
>> >>> fulfill His purpose ) in the works of God.
>> >>> your Dr. Magee is in error since the Gentiles as well had a hand
>> >>> in killing Christ... Acts 4:27,28 ... the conclusion is that Dr.
>> >>> Magee
>> >>> is an unlearned Gnostic as well as an Anti-Semetic, conveniently
>> >>> leaving out Gentiles who also took part in Jesus death.
>> >>> the statement of Magee ( and yours as well by believing in him and
>> >>> quoting him ) that the " betrayal has no purpose " is in direct
>> >>> conflict with Holy Scripture and calls God a liar... " Brethren, the
>> >>> Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit
>> >>> foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide
>> >>> to
>> >>> those who arrested Jesus. " Ac 1:16 " the Scripture had to be
>> >>> fulfilled
>> >>> "... God foretold of the whole
>> >>> manner of Jesus death and used godless men acting in their
>> >>> wickedness,
>> >>> both Jews and Gentiles, to fulfill all the previously written
>> >>> Scripture about Jesus' death... that God foretells the future with
>> >>> absolute accuracy is a defining character of God and proof positive
>> >>> that Scripture is God breathed and not the philosophy of men...
>> >>> .... " I am God, and there is no other; [I am] God, and there is no
>> >>> one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning And from ancient
>> >>> times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be
>> >>> established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure " Is.
>> >>> 46:9,10
>>
>> >> 1 - The last quote specifically eliminates the christ as being a god.
>>
>> > In what way? Just because you say so?
>>
>> Christ is not God, for God is not flesh but Spirit, i.e. a totally
>> Holy
>> Spirit. Christ is our God INCARNATE, meaning God appearing in the body of
>> a
>> person. Jesus specifies below, that His God indwells Him and does the
>> works.
>
> Ooooh! I saw those movies! Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The
> Faculty, Stargate.
> What a theologist/cheap movie buff you are, graeat and glorious Frank.
> X)
>
You are being an idiot, for the word spirit indwelling Jesus means a
quality of attitude, such as an ideal like the HOLY SPIRIT, not some
creature of your mythology. Lots of atheists are beset by attitudes, if not
possessed by them, just not holy ones.

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