Peter never went to Rome, and the Word of God is what counts, not tradition... Gal. 2:9
old man joe
the elect of God see the Apostle Peter as one of the twelve chosen by God for eternal
life, for the administering of the gospel with attesting miracles and the writing of God's
Word to the elect... an eye witness to the things done and said by Christ. no more glory
is to be heaped upon Peter than on Mary, or John, or Paul or any other of the truly elect
or such would be idolatry. " when you shall have done all the things commanded you, say,
We are unprofitable servants, for we have done what we ought to do. " Lk. 17:10
simple recognition of the person as a child of God chosen by God through His grace to
fulfill God's purpose for our instruction is enough. all of the glory goes to God, not
man.
idolater's are named in the Holy Scriptures as being much more than someone who
worship's statues... Col. 3:5, for example, gives account of the fact that idolatry also
lies extensively in the heart... Paul writes... " immorality, impurity, passion, evil
desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry... "
this being the case, while the expositor's agree and disagree that Peter ever went to
Rome is not the crux of the matter. one will conclude that the passage of Gal. 2:9 speaks
to the direction Peter took as he fulfilled the command of Christ to preach the gospel...
" so that we ( Paul and Barnabas ) might go to the Gentiles and they ( James, Cephas and
John ) to the circumcised. "
there beinging many more Jews in Israel and surrounding area's than in Rome in that
time, as now, is a serious consideration before concluding that Peter went to Rome.
the Roman Catholic Church insists that not only did Peter go to Rome but that office of
Apostleship that he held was transferrible with all of the graces of that office. if he
passed on his apostleship, with all of the graces of that particular office, regardless of
his earthly whereabouts, that, is the crux of the matter.
here we have a denomination making great claims that it's head is speaking infallibly in
matter's of doctrine as though the Bible is not completed to be written as God say's it
is. Rev.22:18,19. other such denominations claim this, also.
one has only to enter into a Roman Catholic Church building and see than he has stepped
into an idol worshiping temple of Satan.
since the RCC answer's only to itself it always finds the means to usurp the Word of
God. the common man is also liable since he has no use for the Bible except to hide money
in, but rather follows the traditions set forth by his denomination.
duke
Hey, old man joe, he's buried there.
The Dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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Patrick
> speaking infallibly in
> matter's of doctrine as though the Bible is not completed to be written as
> God say's it
> is. Rev.22:18,19. other such denominations claim this, also.
You think the bible is the only and complete word of God?
You need to read John where he says all of the Words of Jesus
were not written down.
Abe Froman
You've GOT to check your info before posting, Patrick (like your
naming the wrong Bible version that is approved by the Church). There
is nothing in John about "words" not being written down... it's the
WORKS of Jesus that are referred to.
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one
of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not
contain the books that would be written."
Jn 25:21
bob young
Abe Froman wrote:
ROFL . . . . . . Considering the man is a myth then more 'ROFL'
The dullards who wrote the yarns never thought it worth covering 'His' first
eighteen years from the cradle, nothing, but nothing, is recorded - they just
couldn't wait to have him old enough to do all the magical stuff ! Marvelous
They were rather gullible in those days; and things haven't changed very much
even today !
You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of
magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the
price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent
enough.
[Aldous Leonard Huxley]
duke
>
>
>Abe Froman wrote:
>
>> "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"old man joe" <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> here we have a denomination making great claims that it's head is
>> >> speaking infallibly in
>> >> matter's of doctrine as though the Bible is not completed to be written as
>> >> God say's it
>> >> is. Rev.22:18,19. other such denominations claim this, also.
>> >
>> >You think the bible is the only and complete word of God?
>> >You need to read John where he says all of the Words of Jesus
>> >were not written down.
>>
>> You've GOT to check your info before posting, Patrick (like your
>> naming the wrong Bible version that is approved by the Church). There
>> is nothing in John about "words" not being written down... it's the
>> WORKS of Jesus that are referred to.
>>
>> "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one
>> of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not
>> contain the books that would be written."
>> Jn 25:21
>
>ROFL . . . . . . Considering the man is a myth then more 'ROFL'
>
>The dullards who wrote the yarns never thought it worth covering 'His' first
>eighteen years from the cradle, nothing, but nothing, is recorded - they just
>couldn't wait to have him old enough to do all the magical stuff ! Marvelous
You can run, but you can't hide. God is watching you.
>They were rather gullible in those days; and things haven't changed very much
>even today !
>You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of
>magic and religion.
Which animal told you why?
duke
wrote:
Abe, that's John 21:25.
vince garcia
As always, old fart joe is a liar and an incompetant. All one need do is
read 1st Peter to see he was writing from Rome! (Calling it Babylon!)
Of course, since Joe is a biblical illiterate who can't think his way
out of a paper bag, he'll incompetantly claim Peter was writing from the
original babylon because he's too stupid and geographically illiterate
to note that the subjects of this epistle are all located in the regions
of Turkey and the Balkans, and that there is no mention of any cities of
the Middle East. The author clearly meant to address Western churches
much closer to Rome than Babylon.*
* Which Strabo also wrote was a desolate wilderness in this time.
But this is what happens when liars and biblical illiterates try to
teach the Bible.
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire--and Joe will lead
the way in with his undending series of lies and dsistortions he posts
Patrick
Twice in one day.
I must be tired.
RWKnapp
In one post of late you applied the term Animal to yourself as a human
being and just because you closed you eye does not mean that other
human animals do not do the absurd, they do, and they call on magical
stuff also, your kind of persons. And you believe this as it is your
folly.
bob young
duke wrote:
ROFL He isn't watching you, you just think he is.
Now tell me - is that very intelligent ?
>
>
> >They were rather gullible in those days; and things haven't changed very much
> >even today !
>
> >You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of
> >magic and religion.
>
> Which animal told you why?
Yes we know why you pander after your god, it's because someone told you too.
Animals are lucky, they cannot speak, otherwise no doubt they would create and
propagate their gods too.
In a couple of million years chimps may learn a simple language, then they can
expect to see their first god, looking remarkably chimplike !
bob young
RWKnapp wrote:
W H A T ? ! !
old man joe
only the Catholics say he was writing from Rome... replacing the Bible word Babylon and
inserting Rome in its place. these have removed the Second Commandment out of the Bible
all together so they can continue being idol worshipers, so its no wonder that they should
remove other words out of the Bible to fit this thinking.
they need to do that to give credence to their idea that their popes are successors of
Peters office of apostle... so they are forced to say he went to Rome contrary to Gal.
2:9... no pope ever fit the Biblically stated requirements of that office.
bob young
duke wrote:
I'm watching you too, waiting for you to deal with my point above which, since it
frightens you so much, you had no alternative but to ignore it and dance around as
usual.
Have you no SHAME ?
The most unpardonable sin in society is independence of thought.
Emma Goldman (1869-1940)
Anarchism And Other Essays_ [1910],
"Minorities Versus Majorities"
duke
>On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:58:55 -0700, vince garcia <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:37:10 -0400, old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, old man joe, he's buried there.
>>As always, old fart joe is a liar and an incompetant. All one need do is
>>read 1st Peter to see he was writing from Rome! (Calling it Babylon!)
>>
>>Of course, since Joe is a biblical illiterate who can't think his way
>>out of a paper bag, he'll incompetantly claim Peter was writing from the
>>original babylon because he's too stupid and geographically illiterate
>>to note that the subjects of this epistle are all located in the regions
>>of Turkey and the Balkans, and that there is no mention of any cities of
>>the Middle East. The author clearly meant to address Western churches
>>much closer to Rome than Babylon.*
>>* Which Strabo also wrote was a desolate wilderness in this time.
>>But this is what happens when liars and biblical illiterates try to
>>teach the Bible.
>>All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire--and Joe will lead
>>the way in with his undending series of lies and dsistortions he posts
>only the Catholics say he was writing from Rome... replacing the Bible word Babylon and
>inserting Rome in its place.
Uh, no, the word "Babylon" is still in scripture. It's just that "Babylon" is
the secret decoder ring word for Rome, the true city of Babylon having been
destroyed at that time.
> these have removed the Second Commandment out of the Bible
>all together so they can continue being idol worshipers,
According to my bible, the 2nd Commandment is "worship no god but me".
According to my copy of the 10 commandments, the 1st says: I, the Lord am your
God, You shall not have other gods besides me."
So what is your problem with comprehension?
> so its no wonder that they should
>remove other words out of the Bible to fit this thinking.
You lose.
>they need to do that to give credence to their idea that their popes are successors of
>Peters office of apostle... so they are forced to say he went to Rome contrary to Gal.
>2:9... no pope ever fit the Biblically stated requirements of that office.
>
The Dukester, American-American
duke
>> You can run, but you can't hide. God is watching you.
>ROFL He isn't watching you, you just think he is.
>Now tell me - is that very intelligent ?
No, no you're not.
>> >They were rather gullible in those days; and things haven't changed very much
>> >even today !
>> >You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of
>> >magic and religion.
>> Which animal told you why?
>Yes we know why you pander after your god, it's because someone told you too.
>Animals are lucky, they cannot speak, otherwise no doubt they would create and
>propagate their gods too.
>In a couple of million years chimps may learn a simple language, then they can
>expect to see their first god, looking remarkably chimplike !
Well, wait on them.
vince garcia
I'm shocked...you had the guts to respond to some criticism for once!
Well, you're wrong. In fact, why don't you cite some reputable scholars,
if you can, who claim he was LITERALLY writing from the non-existent
city of babylon from that time? Then explain why his words are to cities
near rome, rather than cities near babylon
While we're on it, what proof do you have that even paul was martyred in
rome? The BIBLE doesn't say that! So why don't you accuse the catholics
of lying about HIS execution? There is NOTHING BUT THE SAME TRADITION
THAT SAYS PETER WAS MARTYRED AT THE SAME TIME that asserts paul was
literally martyred in rome.
Show me one verse that EXPLICITLY says paul was martyred in rome!
these have removed the Second Commandment out of the Bible
> all together so they can continue being idol worshipers, so its no wonder that they should
> remove other words out of the Bible to fit this thinking.
And YOU regularly deny the commandment about not bearing false witness
when you present falsehood and distortions as 'truth'
So you should clean your own laundry first before you worry about the
catholocs'
>
> they need to do that to give credence to their idea that their popes are successors of
> Peters office of apostle...
THAT is at least a more reasonable point, and if you'd stay on that
point intelligently, instead of using distortions and hyperbole to
support it, you might be worth listening to.
so they are forced to say he went to Rome contrary to Gal.
> 2:9... no pope ever fit the Biblically stated requirements of that office.
Gal 2:9 has nothing to do with the qualifications of being a "pope", and
is no evidence whatever that peter never went to rome.
You are misusing the scripture again, and in fact...YOU ARE DOING THE
VERY THING YOU ARE ACCUSING THE CATHOLICS OF! You have an
anti-catholic/anti-papal agenda, and so you are ignoring the obvious use
of babylon as a euphemism for Rome in order to redfine it literally in
order to promote the unfounded idea that peter never went to rome!
Do you think rev 14 is referring to literal Babylon too, instead of
Rome?
In fact, don't you think the RCC is the "whore of BABYLON"????
Dan Listermann
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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>
>> >They were rather gullible in those days; and things haven't changed very
>> >much
>> >even today !
>>
>> >You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible
>> >fooleries of
>> >magic and religion.
>>
>> Which animal told you why?
>
> Yes we know why you pander after your god, it's because someone told you
> too.
> Animals are lucky, they cannot speak, otherwise no doubt they would create
> and
> propagate their gods too.
>
> In a couple of million years chimps may learn a simple language, then they
> can
> expect to see their first god, looking remarkably chimplike !
>
I like to remind Christians that their deities look like great apes as per
their scriptures.
Elijahovah
> You think the bible is the only and complete word of God?
> You need to read John where he says all of the Words of Jesus
> were not written down.
People fail to see these words here.
They think it is saying other words of God are down
in writing and in other books. In a way this is true,
but it is not what it means. It means what it says
when it says NOT written down any where at all
and yet are still acts of God and word of God.
Jesus said he is the word of God and therefore
all that he did is also word of God even if no
where ever written down. This is very simple
reasonsing and fact by saying that truth is word
of God. All truth is word of God and all word of God is truth.
It refers to all things we should know including
the knowledge that arsenic on the lips will kill you.
Yes truth determines life and death, so even the
knowledge of poisons, antidotes, avoidance, cures,
is truth of God determining life and death.
The field of meds and its lying doctors or few who
know truth about meds is included in the whole
field of GOD'S TRUTH. This is why the expression
God's truth. If you take a scripture and you read it
wrong or interpret it in a false way, then that scripture
is no longer God's word or God's truth in the
meaning of YOUR interpretation of it. The truth
is wayed by it proving true. All truth is in reality
predictions that come true.... arsenic in a shot glass
with no antidote or mix will always do as we know it to do.
It is predictable, and so it proves to be truth of God.
In theory then we should be able to see enough to avoid
death even if we make mistakes that we must turn back
away from. In theory, none of our mistakes are sins,
but rather they are a learning process, because in theory
none of our mistakes should be big enough to cause death
to anyone.
Elijahovah
> You've GOT to check your info before posting, Patrick (like your
> naming the wrong Bible version that is approved by the Church). There
> is nothing in John about "words" not being written down... it's the
> WORKS of Jesus that are referred to.
This is stupid reasoning. If the works were not written down,
then it means words about these works were not written down
How else do you write down other than words.
Do you have a brain at all?
Granted I will not dispute against Jesus likewise playing word games.
Though he taught no man would rise to heaven until (he) the Son
of Man does; (and so this means not Enoch, not Noah, not Elijah,
not Abram, nor Lazarus), he none the less gave a pagan Greek analogy
to the Greek taught Jews of Lazarus in heaven with Abram and
a rich man in hell. He also says I am the god of Abram as if
Abram is alive, but he means the man who is not alive, is
alive in God's mind for the day God brings him back alive.
Thus a man's words are not a sin unless he intends to deceive
(successfully proudly accomplish a WRONG by the use of deceit).
Rebecca's clothing Jacob was an intent of justice and so is not
regarded
as deceit. In scriptural thinking, a right is not justified by a
wrong,
for the simple reason that if the result is what's right then the
means
wasn't wrong. Jesus enticed the men to kill him to prove men would
rather choose to be evil and wrong; thus he did not sin by knowing
their responce in how to anger them to kill him. He accomplished
perfectly what must be done to see why no son has ever led rightly
as a christ, we kill them all, none could ever be perfect enough for
us in our eyes. Thus the game of those who say Judas must be our
Christ for offering up Jesus as sacrifice, or Jesus walked into
suicide
which is a crime or sin, and so couldnt have gone to heaven.
These are reasonings that deliberately create a deceit so others
fail to see where the end path of all that is happening is headed for
and going to. This is why Jesus said that it is not crimes
(blaspheme) against God or Son that brings death, but a continued
defiance against the spirit which brings death and makes that death
eternal for the one who will refuse to ever change his spirit
by allowing God's spirit to conform his ways.
This is what proves that mistakes are not Sin.
It is not sin if proper atonements are made.
The sacrifice atonements of the Jews were symbols, not actual
atonements. You kill gonnorhea with penicillin or by eating
bread with mold, not by killing a dove on an altar.
Once atoned you do not go back to the cause of it or
you are sinning against spirit that eventually kills you.
Elijahovah
riding the governments. The picture has the three
entities of governement and religion and commerce.
But a Babylon effect of confusion exists in al three
fields and the internet gathering all together proves
that though the truth is freed into the world by the net,
the massive volume of lies explodes into a confusion
of beleiving anything anyone wishes to beleive.
CONTROL over what people say to the whole world
is now lost, and the lies can bury them all, all these
people can die because no longer is their a truth
to them, they are confused in seeing mass bullshit.
And the cause of death is then their laughing at it all
when this is SERIOUS.
Abe Froman
>> You've GOT to check your info before posting, Patrick (like your
>> naming the wrong Bible version that is approved by the Church). There
>> is nothing in John about "words" not being written down... it's the
>> WORKS of Jesus that are referred to.
>
>This is stupid reasoning.
[snip]
It wasn't reasoning at all, it was a statement. And you snipped the
past that explained the statement, you idiot.
>"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one
>of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not
>contain the books that would be written."
> Jn 21:25
duke
I'm sorry, but they DO NOT look like you.
bob young
duke wrote:
Does being pathetically childish come naturally to you Dook,
or do you find you have to work at it ?
Dan Listermann
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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duke
Your knuckles dragging on the ground are very easy to see.
Elijahovah
You people are so sad and pathetic as God Jehovah looks down on you.
God is angry that you should think that his Son taught you that the
words of the Bible are his only words. It is an insult and a great
unforgiven offence against Him. What you fail to see is what he means
when it is said the written word of God Jehovah should suffice or be
enough. It means that it is enough to teach you and show you how to
see his unwritten word every where you look, and also to hear that
unspoken word correctly in all that he created, (other than a wow
isn't this awesome what he created). God Jehovah does NOT wish to be
looked at as magical entertaining magician while you ignore the
knowledge being shown you.
You slam tradition, but God Jehovah does not say the BIble is true
and
tradition is false. What is does is inform you that tradition can be
just as false as misinteroretation of the Bible, and that tradition
can be just as true as correct interpretation of the Bible. Correct,
Peter was not the foundation of Rome... but beware you slam tradition
because the fact that Isaac was sacrificed at 25 is a major astral
factor and pivotal point in chronological proof of all calendar in
the
world branching off from Noah and back to Adam. Instead you wish to
see all pagan things as frabricated from nothing, not having any true
original source. Is as if you wish to say all uncircumcised penis was
fornication until the true Abram was brought into circumcision as if
you pretend perfect Adam had no foreskin. You fail to see that all
lies are twisted from truth because man cannot imagine things that
are
not filled with actual truths. There is no such thing as a total lie
without being comprised of things possible to do. Even if you imaging
a church flown by angels from Jerusalem to Spain it is comprised of
real things... a church and the ability to fly. Your imagination can
only create illusions or falsehoods or lies from possible truths. For
this reason you are to be condemned that you think all traditions are
lies if not in the Bible. Because then you place people like the Maya
either as all lies because nothing is said in the Bible of them, or
you decide to believe them as a reality unaffiliated with the Bible.
Both are a great severe sin that prevents you from seeing how they
traveled from Babylon and Egypt into China to cross the Pacific and
meeting a few who crossed the Atlantic. With calendars of ALL
nations,
trhis teek of the Maya is pinpointed to specific dates. So too
traditions will lead you to exact dates of a truth or a lie, and even
the true info that the lie was fabricated from.
HOW STUPID MY PEOPLE ARE IS THE WORDS OF GOD JEHOVAH
your hour is here
ELIJAH