The Protestants, in keeping with Catholic tradition want a burning hell for babies to endue it for infinity... Jer. 25:27
old man joe
buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which God
throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original Sin, so they can
be in conscience torment for infinity is the doctrine of those so set in Catholicism,
though they be Protestant, is yet another sign of the great falling away from the Word of
God.
Catholic doctrine was set in stone centuries ago when they found a way to control the
ignorant peasants and wrangle money from them for the forgiveness of sins. the people
forming the early Catholic Church were wealthy and educated... everyone appointed to any
high office in it in those days was wealthy and educated.
it was then an easy thing to control superstitious peasants with the threat of an eternal
hell, Limbo and Purgatory... which the could buy their way out of as well as their little
ones. its no secret that the empire of Catholicism was built by paying for forgiveness of
sins for money.
this also addresses why the Catholic Church made it a big, big sin for any peasant to own
a Bible.
today's falling away of Protestant denominations carries with it the idea's formed early
on in Catholicism. the unbiblical God painted by Catholicism has a God who is nothing but
a cruel, mean, monster who throws babies into hell fire for the imputation of the single
sin of Adam set to their account for infinity. and infinity never ends. so parents, kiss
your babies good bye since unless they are saved they are determined to be in conscience
torment for infinity for the single sin we call Original.
thanks be to the Living God in Christ that the Bible teaches no such God.
what is taught in the Bible is the Living God who fits the punishment to the crime as in
Deu. 25:1-3 and Lk. 12:41-48. and the crime is paid for by death of the body and death of
the soul... the wages of sin is death and the soul that sins will die.
we are directed by the Word of God to search out the entire Bible in order to discover our
doctrine. doing this reveals the many different meaning's God place's on the Bible word
' eternal. ' eternal means the span of one's life, Ex. 21:6.
eternal means the time span of earth's existence from Creation until the Last Day, Ps.
73:12, where the word ' eternal ' is translated ' world. '
eternal also refers to the Living God who always existed, Ps. 90:2. most folks attach
this meaning to the word eternal when passages read " eternal destruction, " ( NASB ) or
" everlasting destruction " ( KJV ) in 2 Th. 1:9.
we know there are scores of passages which say plainly that when the unbeliever is dead he
is dead... he does not have eternal life so babies can burn in hell for infinity. that's
a Catholic idea they drew from the writings of the Greek philosopher Plato and capitalized
on it for money.
we know from Rev. 20:10-15 that there will be no more " day and night " once God destroys
this present universe to bring in the new heavens and the new earth. but rather than see
these passages at face value, people read into it and see there remains for infinity day
and night so babies dying at birth can burn in hell for ever... after being given eternal
life. there's not a passage in all of Holy Scripture where God gives eternal life to
heathen's.
obviously, then, the falling away has to do with people lovingly following doctrines of
demons. and this love is agape type love spoken of by Christ in Jn. 3:19.
RWKnapp
> buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which God
> throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original Sin, so they can
> be in conscience torment for infinity is the doctrine of those so set in Catholicism,
> though they be Protestant, is yet another sign of the great falling away from the Word of
> God.
Seems you are the that is buying into this doctrine, as I never would
say "we call Original Sin" Then what Protestant church teach that
doctrine. Most that I know, would and have rejected such, as it is
our sin not the sin of another such as Adam or Eve who are only
accountable to their own sins.
> Catholic doctrine was set in stone centuries ago when they found a way to control the
> ignorant peasants and wrangle money from them for the forgiveness of sins. the people
> forming the early Catholic Church were wealthy and educated... everyone appointed to any
> high office in it in those days was wealthy and educated.
Interesting you say the Protestant accept that doctrine and the first
Protestant was Martin Luther and he was the one that was against it,
so why do you keep saying such things as it is clear you are wrong.
Protestants are not one church under a human leader as the R C C so
name names if you want people to read you post and believe any of
it. So far it is questionable.
>
> it was then an easy thing to control superstitious peasants with the threat of an eternal
> hell, Limbo and Purgatory... which the could buy their way out of as well as their little
> ones. its no secret that the empire of Catholicism was built by paying for forgiveness of
> sins for money.
>
> this also addresses why the Catholic Church made it a big, big sin for any peasant to own
> a Bible.
So that is old history, and is not the way it is today, seems your
teaching is just like theirs if you need to point to some sin in
history and try to apply such today.
>
> today's falling away of Protestant denominations carries with it the idea's formed early
Falling away from who, the Catholic church, good for them.
> on in Catholicism. the unbiblical God painted by Catholicism has a God who is nothing but
> a cruel, mean, monster who throws babies into hell fire for the imputation of the single
> sin of Adam set to their account for infinity. and infinity never ends. so parents, kiss
> your babies good bye since unless they are saved they are determined to be in conscience
> torment for infinity for the single sin we call Original.
I do not remember the Pope or any Priest teaching God is "a cruel,
mean, monster" please provide referance such as from the
Vatican website would help support your statements if you can find
it.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed!
good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mark
9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that
believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about
his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee
to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into
the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee
to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for
thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two
eyes to be cast into hell fire:
9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
duke
>buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which God
>throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original Sin
No such statement, but thinking you know what is in scripture is more than
expected of you.
Romans 5:12-14 (New International Version)
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned� 13for before the
law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when
there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time
of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,
who was a pattern of the one to come.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>On Jan 7, 8:17�am, old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which God
>> throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original Sin, so they can
>> be in conscience torment for infinity is the doctrine of those so set in Catholicism,
>> though they be Protestant, is yet another sign of the great falling away from the Word of
>> God.
>
>Seems you are the that is buying into this doctrine, as I never would
>say "we call Original Sin" Then what Protestant church teach that
>doctrine. Most that I know, would and have rejected such, as it is
>our sin not the sin of another such as Adam or Eve who are only
>accountable to their own sins.
It sad the way you protest_ers just won't accept the Word of God.
RWKnapp
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:51:23 -0800 (PST), RWKnapp <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 7, 8:17 am, old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting hell into which God
> >> throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original Sin, so they can
> >> be in conscience torment for infinity is the doctrine of those so set in Catholicism,
> >> though they be Protestant, is yet another sign of the great falling away from the Word of
> >> God.
>
> >Seems you are the that is buying into this doctrine, as I never would
> >say "we call Original Sin" Then what Protestant church teach that
> >doctrine. Most that I know, would and have rejected such, as it is
> >our sin not the sin of another such as Adam or Eve who are only
> >accountable to their own sins.
>
> It sad the way you protest_ers just won't accept the Word of God.
It is silly the way you refuse to prove anything and you yourself is
the protest_ers here, as you do not accept the Word of God. The
protestant do not protest the Word of God but the false teachings of
the Pope's and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that long
ago left the Word of God for pagan teachings and such.
>
> Romans 5:12-14 (New International Version)
>
> Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
> 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through
> sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the
> law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when
> there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time
> of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,
> who was a pattern of the one to come.
Yes and all the baptism water is not going to change it, death still
happens even to Popes and all Catholics die as did Adam and because
they reject Jesus as Lord and saviour and reject the false teachings
of the catholic church.
Rob
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:17:04 -0500, old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >buying into that old Catholic idea of an eternal, burning, tormenting
hell into which God
> >throws babies dying at birth for the single sin of what we call Original
Sin
>
> No such statement, but thinking you know what is in scripture is more than
> expected of you.
>
> Romans 5:12-14 (New International Version)
> Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
> 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
through
before the
> law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account
when
> there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to
the time
> of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did
Adam,
> who was a pattern of the one to come.
>
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
What about the verses that say the son will not pay for the sins of his
father and vice versa?? The OT says that. It also says god visited the sins
of fathers upon their sons. That's a contradiction and adds to the argument
that the bible is fiction. Why should 6 billion people pay for what you say
one man named Adam did?? That's not justice. And if Jesus died for Adam's
sin, who died for Eve's?? That leaves one half of mankind still imperfect.
The bible fails again.
duke
>> It sad the way you protest_ers just won't accept the Word of God.
>It is silly the way you refuse to prove anything and you yourself is
>the protest_ers here, as you do not accept the Word of God.
To play your game - where do I not accept the Word of God?
My position is defended by posters on this ng as well as protestant posters on
other Christian ng's, like alt.bible, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,
etc.
> The
>protestant do not protest the Word of God but the false teachings of
>the Pope's and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that long
>ago left the Word of God for pagan teachings and such.
To hammer the nail in your own coffin, what FALSE teachings of the Pope and the
RCC?
>> Romans 5:12-14 (New International Version)
>> Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
>> �12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through
>> sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned� 13for before the
>> law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when
>> there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time
>> of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,
>> who was a pattern of the one to come.
>Yes and all the baptism water is not going to change it,
Yet your falsehood is that baptism does not remove the stain of original sin
from the soul. It's not the water alone, but the simultaneous promises to
reject satan and his evil ways.
Which brings up the question. Have you been baptized in water + promises?
> death still
>happens even to Popes and all Catholics die as did Adam and because
>they reject Jesus as Lord and saviour and reject the false teachings
>of the catholic church.
Spiritual death for the baptized/confirmed happens because we play God in our
decisions rather than listen to God. Jesus gave us the sacrament of
confession, John 10-20-23, to reconcile ourselves to God in our sins.
Eh, you do believe in the sacraments of Baptism, Confession and Confirmation,
don't you??
Patrick
the false teachings of
the Pope's and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that long
ago left the Word of God for pagan teachings and such.
death still
happens even to Popes and all Catholics die as did Adam and because
they reject Jesus as Lord and saviour and reject the false teachings
of the catholic church.
PB -- Just because we do not use the word "SAVED"....
Just because Catholics attempt to keep the doctrine pure
and not diluted or interpretted by any tom, dock, or raymond.....
Just because we believe that Jesus died and left the church
in the hands of one man.....
Just because 2000 years of history includes human sin, pride,
greed, power grabbing.....
You decide that all Catholics are heretics?
Is this your final answer?
duke
>> Romans 5:12-14 (New International Version)
>> Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
>> 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
>through
>> sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned- 13for
>before the
>> law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account
>when
>> there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to
>the time
>> of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did
>Adam,
>> who was a pattern of the one to come.
>What about the verses that say the son will not pay for the sins of his
>father and vice versa?? The OT says that.
Yet Jesus came to fulfill the old covenant and bring a new WAY. And Romans 5
says we are born with the stain of Adam's sinfulness just as we are born with 10
fingers and 10 toes. It's your choice to act.
> It also says god visited the sins
>of fathers upon their sons. That's a contradiction and adds to the argument
>that the bible is fiction.
Only for those that lack the ability to enjoin the two into one.
The NT is the next step to the OT.
> Why should 6 billion people pay for what you say
>one man named Adam did?? That's not justice.
It is if you think in terms of Adam exhibiting the sin stain as 1st man. We are
all born with that stain.
> And if Jesus died for Adam's sin, who died for Eve's??
Wow, what a silly question? Now I know why you don't understand.
> That leaves one half of mankind still imperfect.
>The bible fails again.
With your silly comment, it's confirmed accurate.