Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
rob wade
FRI is often asked about ex-gay ministries. We generally give
mildly-endorsing referrals to these efforts. After all, their
intentions are good. However, these organizations are not an unmixed
blessing. Consider some of the following facts:
There is no doubt that some who engage in homosexuality are converted
or weaned away from the lifestyle by these groups. This fact riles gay
activists since the bulk of them claim that they were born that way
and can't change. The existence of those who have changed is a real
'bug in the gay bonnet' since it puts the lie to one of their tactics.
And it forces gay apologists to argue that those who have changed
weren't really gay, or else they couldn't have changed a rather silly
tautology that ignores the plain evidence.
Despite the living testimonials of many ex-gays, there is little doubt
that the cure rates among the ex-gay organizations are nothing to brag
about. All addictions, particularly sexual addictions, are hard to
break and many more people attempt to break away than finally succeed.
A great deal of time, effort, and money has to be expended for each
cure. Per dollar, the cure rate for sexual addictions is among the
worst of all the habitual sins.
Alcoholics Anonymous appears to have popularized the 'it takes one to
save one' slogan. Although this theme has influenced many social
workers over the past several decades, the evidence that it truly
works is not so clear. FRI has attempted to nail down proof that
ex-druggies do the best work converting druggies away from drugs,
ex-drunks do the best weaning alcoholics from alcohol, and ex-gays do
the best converting homosexuals away from homosexuality. So far, we
have not found convincing evidence that any of the Ex- programs run by
Ex's are more successful than programs manned by non-professional
non-Ex's or those run by psychologists, social workers, or
psychiatrists. Either way, the success rate with addicts is not very
high.
Because they tap into the 'it takes one to save one' principle, the
leaders of the ex-gay ministries don't have to have college degrees,
and generally they don't. The enthusiasm of the converted is counted
as good as or better than degrees. But perhaps formal learning doesn't
make any difference when it comes to helping people. After all, many
studies that have compared the cure rates of students in psychology or
psychiatry often report as good or better cure rates for the students
than Ph.D.s or M.D.s in the field. Such heavy reliance upon
enthusiasm, however, is troubling to those that want reliable hard
facts. After all, those who are not technically trained will have
difficulty evaluating the scientific literature on homosexuality (or
any other) topic. Enthusiasm is no substitute for the training that
enables critical evaluation of technical reports and scientific
claims.
Everything Works Some of the Time
An important fact to remember when evaluating the claims of any cure
or program is that just about any treatment or cure works for some
people. In fact, FRI is unaware of any touted program, from nude
therapy to shock therapy and everything in between, that can't claim
some successes and trot out some testimonials to prove it. There are
always some who testify that a given program did them some good or
cured them.
The real issue then is not whether some are helped, since some always
are, but rather whether some reasonably predictable proportion of
those contacted by the Ex-program are cured. Further, how does the
proportion who are cured compare to the proportions cured by other
programs or simply by waiting until the person gets older (which works
for most addictions if the person doesn't die first).
Usually, curative-minded groups or treatments claim about a 1/3
success rate for those who stay the course of the entire treatment. Of
course, many addicts drop into Ex-groups for a look see. Some will
even try the program or treatment out for a while. But many, probably
even most, don't stay the course. How do you count these people? If
you consider them failures, then the program looks worse. But it they
are not counted at all, that's not quite fair either. Clearly,
figuring cure rates for any given Ex-program is exceptionally
difficult.
Figuring cure rates is even more difficult when the program or
organization deliberately avoids collecting data. Exodus, the largest
Ex-gay consortium, does not collect any form of data on cures or
conversions. Instead, it collects data on number of books sold, number
of inquiries, number of attendees at conferences, etc. As with many
social service organizations, Exodus has no hard evidence that its
approach works, other than the usual set of testimonials.
In May we talked with a member of the Exodus board of directors. He
offered the usual social service line that we don't know how many were
reached, but we know some are. And whether it's one or many, at
least... We talked with leaders of another ex-gay group in June, and
they gave the same answer. This is somewhat frustrating, since there
are always people who would like funding under the guise of helping
others. Prudence dictates that programs demonstrate how much bang for
the buck they deliver. Unfortunately, like so many social service or
helping programs, the ex-gay ministries cannot provide that crucial
information.
When government programs have been carefully evaluated, they usually
fail to accomplish much. So proof of efficacy is both a legitimate and
prudent request. When Bob Davies, North American director of Exodus,
was pinned by gay activists in mid-July, 1998 that two of the initial
leaders of Exodus had left their wives for homosexuality, he said "We
don't claim to have 100 percent success. We know that there are many
people that come to Exodus who after a period of time realize that
because of the difficulty in the change process they lose heart and
give up...that does not negate the fact that there are many people who
stick with it and experience significant change." (Christian News
7/27/98)
As the example of Exodus suggests, some of the leaders of the ex-gay
movement appear to be still semi-entangled with the lifestyle. As a
consequence, a significant number of those in leadership fall back
into homosexuality, when, had they just quit, got away, stayed away,
and moved on, they might have escaped entirely.
It is a sad truth that those who were once seriously involved with an
addiction are more susceptible to the temptations of that addiction
than those who were never addicted to begin with. Public record
documents several cases of leaders of ex-alcoholic and ex-drug abuser
programs who 'fell off the wagon.' When those who are struggling with
an addiction or sin are around others who are so tempted, bad things
can happen, and frequently do.
For instance, imagine that you have a large church. Adultery is a
common problem. In a large congregation, it is predictable that many
are struggling with having committed adultery or being sorely tempted
to. Let us further imagine that you organize a program to help such
individuals. You announce that at such a time in such a room all those
who have committed adultery or desire to do so will meet together to
comfort each other, pray, read the Bible, listen to speeches from
those who have overcome, etc.
What will happen? Predictably, chaos.
Why?
Every man in the room will know that every woman in the room either
has or wants to commit adultery. Every woman in the room will know
that every man in the room either has or wants to commit adultery.
While some may be helped by this ministry, it is certain that the
program will also be a stimulus to pairing up adulterous individuals,
serving as a kind of introduction agency. By focusing a ministry on a
particular sin or problem, and bringing together those with that
particular difficulty, significant problems are almost guaranteed.
Consider this testimony from lesbian Sandi Wiggins: "A little over ten
years ago I was involved with two different Ex-Gay ministries. I was
involved to the point where I was a small group leader and a hotline
phone counselor. My thinking was completely change imperative. I
engaged Ex-Gay ministries because of my own deep cognitive and
spiritual distress about being a Christian and a lesbian. I met my
partner at an Exodus conference. About five years ago, I turned to yet
a third Ex-gay ministry.
"Within the past two years, I have been praying and brooding more
intensely for resolution in my soul. I had deeply internalized
homophobia because of the way I understood that the Bible and hence
God thought about me. I totally believed that I could not live a
fulfilling life or be a Christian or be self-actualized unless my same
gender attractions disappeared.
"Now I have seen that all these things are possible in my life and
that I can truly continue to follow Jesus."
Notice the progression.
Sandi had "internalized homophobia." That is, she felt bad about her
involvement with homosexuality. But she DID NOT WANT TO GIVE IT UP, so
she hung around those with homosexual desires, ostensibly to help them
(and, FRI suspects, she genuinely wanted to help them quit). Still,
homosexuals were all around her. If she changed her mind again, the
'right' people were there to help her bail out and go back. Sandi hung
around homosexuality and homosexuals and eventually met her true
[homosexual] love.
Jesus said that "If you love me you will follow my commandments,"
including those commandments against sexual immorality. Unfortunately,
when asked to choose between sexual and/or personal fulfillment and
following Christ, people often choose the former and reinterpret the
latter.
If Ms. Wiggins had got free and moved on, her life today might be very
different. But now she is a cancer in both the ex-gay movement and the
church, arguing and proving by her very life that one can claim to
follow Jesus without actually doing so.
Light Templar
"rob wade" <rob-...@post.com> wrote in message
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> Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
>
> FRI is often asked about ex-gay ministries. We generally give
> mildly-endorsing referrals to these efforts. After all, their
> intentions are good. However, these organizations are not an unmixed
> blessing. Consider some of the following facts:
>
>
> There is no doubt that some who engage in homosexuality are converted
> or weaned away from the lifestyle by these groups.
Yet, there does not exist one, single, peer reviewed case study to prove
that an exclusively homosexual person has been converted to an
exclusively heterosexual person. We don't know if their "successes"
started out as homosexual, or bisexual, or even heterosexual. They
have not done any follow-up study to show the effectiveness of their
"treatment" over an extended period of time. (Exodus International
only claims a 3% success rate, and most of them "reconvert" within
a short period of time.)
In other words, the so-called "conversion therapy is so much crap.
nobody
"Light Templar" <I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Why do you respond to this troll? Do you think he reads these groups?
Have you ever seen him respond to a post? Ignore him and he'll go away.
Mother Bernadette Strange
Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate. We cast out the
demons that cause those vile homosexual lusts and longings and purge
the demoniac of all abnormal desires.
I'm living proof!
Mother Bernadette
Beacon of Truth in Darkest New Sodom
JTEM
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote
> Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate. We cast
> out the demons that cause [...]
Goodness me, I know you're a troll yet I find myself over come
with the desire to respond to Each. And. Every. Last. Word.
you post.
I can't control myself... oh no.... *Make*! *Me*! *Stop*!
Light Templar
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Light Templar" <I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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>
> Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate.
Bullshit. Post a a case study that has undergone scientific peer review.
And
I don't mean peer reviewed by some other religionist that bought a lab coat
and is playing doctor.
Dionisio
> Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
3%. Next question?
--
http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~dionisio -- Snookems, the white kitty.
"Ah, you are looking better already, Mr. Pontimer! I could have taken
another twenty years off your life, had you come here for treatment
twenty years ago! Embalming is most effective when commenced before
death occurs. If only Mr. Black didn't require me to operate at such a
disadvantage, waiting until hours after life is extinct! I really must
go on strike for the right to embalm living people, don't you agree?"
-- From _Hard Sell_ by Piers Anthony
Dionisio
<slap!>
You're welcome.
;)
L. Michael Roberts
Mother Bernadette Strange wrote:
> "Light Templar" <I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message news:<zPc5a.13706$YU4.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
> Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate. We cast out the
> demons that cause those vile homosexual lusts and longings and purge
> the demoniac of all abnormal desires.
Then you should have no problem posting the peer reviewed evidence
from the scientific literature to back up your assertion.
> I'm living proof!
ROFLMAO!!!
> Mother Bernadette
> Beacon of Truth in Darkest New Sodom
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curtsybear
> Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate.
If, by success, you mean "the miracle of the lighter wallet".
> I'm living proof!
Oh, hon. This is just *BEGGING* for a proper response.
But, perhaps, we are all too well-refined to stoop so low as to tell you
that you *indeed* are living proof ... of the ability to continue posting
after braindeath ... of your church's concerted efforts at satire ... of
the fact that christianity is not confined to being practiced by people
who actually possess compassion and wish to spread good works ... and,
finally, of the fact that your personal struggles against failing mental
health have all been for naught.
Ok. Maybe we aren't *ALL* too well-refined.
> Mother Beelzedette
> Crispy Baconette of Truth in Fryingest New Sodom
--
Curtis at Sieber dot Com
"What is intriguing about 'Ulterior Motive' is its author's background as,
first, a collaborator with behaviorist B.F. Skinner on chimpanzee-language
research, and, then, the inventor of the Start Button and Taskbar for
the computer program Windows 95." -- The New York Times, Christopher
Lehmann-Haupt, reviewing a book, but inadvertently tying together so
many loose ends about the origin of that damned start button!
Bill Baker
<dmi...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com> wrote in message
<3E560F41...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com>:
> rob wade wrote:
>> Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
>
> 3%. Next question?
I have a couple. Out of those 3%, how many convert back to their previous
ways? How many of them still "struggle with their homosexuality from time
to time"? Sounds like 3% may be an extremely optimistic number.
--
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stolen mandate to lead it into an apocalyptic war -- everyone's too busy
flocking to crap like "Kangaroo Jack" to get off their asses and do
anything about it.
--Mr. Cranky, http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/kangaroojack.html
Light Templar
"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:36:29 +0000, Dionisio
> <dmi...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com> wrote in message
> <3E560F41...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com>:
>
> > rob wade wrote:
> >> Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
> >
> > 3%. Next question?
>
> I have a couple. Out of those 3%, how many convert back to their previous
> ways? How many of them still "struggle with their homosexuality from time
> to time"? Sounds like 3% may be an extremely optimistic number.
>
That 3% is the "out the door" success rate. The Ex-Gay Ministries don't
do much, if anything at all, in the way of follow-up research. Their long
term success rate is far lower than 3%.
Bill Baker
<I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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Just as I suspected.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Bullsh*t.
You obviously don't recognize the Truth when you see it.
> Post a a
How many does "a a" add up to?
> case study that has undergone scientific peer review.
Why? Scientists aren't our peers. Only True Christians who practice
Faith Healing and the Exorcism of Demons are our peers. It makes no
difference to us what a bunch of deluded secular humanists conclude.
They constantly revise their idiotic scientific theories and never
arrive at the Truth that True Believers have found in the Holy
Scriptures for millennia. One of these Truths is that the Lord Jesus
can heal the sick by casting out demons. Since homosexual lust and
longing are caused by demonic possession, we cure homosexuality by
ridding the homosexual of the evil spirits that trigger the aberrant
impulses that drive him toward members of the same sex.
> And I don't mean peer reviewed by some other religionist that bought a lab
> coat and is playing doctor.
Most doctors are quacks who only want to profit from suffering. We
consult Faith Healers instead.
Praying for all of you,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian
Light Templar
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Bullsh*t.
>
> You obviously don't recognize the Truth when you see it.
>
You obviously don't recognize bullshit when you sling it.
> > Post a a
>
> How many does "a a" add up to?
As many as I want.
>
> > case study that has undergone scientific peer review.
>
> Why?
Because that is what any reasonable person requires for proof.
Try not to go into another snake handling diatribe this time.
John J. Petry
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
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> Our Holy Church has at least a 90% success rate. We cast out the
> demons that cause those vile homosexual lusts and longings and purge
> the demoniac of all abnormal desires.
>
>
Who left the door to the loony bin ajar?
Dionisio
> <dmi...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com> wrote in message
> <3E560F41...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com>:
>>rob wade wrote:
>>>Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
>>3%. Next question?
>
> I have a couple. Out of those 3%, how many convert back to their previous
> ways? How many of them still "struggle with their homosexuality from time
> to time"? Sounds like 3% may be an extremely optimistic number.
Um, that was the *effective* rate. (If a number so low can be called
"effective.") The other 97% did precisely as your wondered.
Bill Baker
Bernadette Strange) wrote in message
<94b6d5f1.03022...@posting.google.com>:
Throughout history, fundamentalist theology has contradicted science a
vast number of times. There has never been a single instance in which they
were not only proven to be wrong, but drastically so.
Ward Stewart
"Mother Bernadette" is posting what she considers to be 'satire.'
Jonathan Swift she is not -- generally tedious and overwritten - to be
read for amusement IF it amuses you.
ward
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"The United States is currently involved in a rather
expensive and extensive conflict with certain groups
of fundamentalist Muslims who have a similar attitude
concerning their moral code and its applicability to
you.
I doubt very much that you are willing to acquiesce
to their doctrines any more than I am willing to
acquiesce to yours."
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Nonna Yabisness
exle...@wowmail.com (Mother Bernadette Strange) wrote:
> Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
> True Christian Ex-Lesbian
---
Didn't you used to haunt other newsgroups and badger people as Rev.
Mother Henrietta Hickey?
Light Templar
"Nonna Yabisness" <No...@Yabisness.and.no.spam.either.com> wrote in message
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Yep, same person. Most recently she was sister sunshine, and before that
Rev. Norman, and on and on and on. Person is either a good satirist, or a
lunatic of the first order!
Marie C. Bennett
And don't forget the lovable "Ima Cockhound", the hillbilly mother of
our own "A. Krieghund", currently known as "Ehrloser Mann". ;-)
C.J.W.
Dionisio wrote:
> Bill Baker wrote:
> > <dmi...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com> wrote in message
> > <3E560F41...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com>:
> >>rob wade wrote:
> >>>Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
> >>3%. Next question?
> >
> > I have a couple. Out of those 3%, how many convert back to their previous
> > ways? How many of them still "struggle with their homosexuality from time
> > to time"? Sounds like 3% may be an extremely optimistic number.
>
> Um, that was the *effective* rate. (If a number so low can be called
> "effective.") The other 97% did precisely as your wondered.
In his 1987 publication, Psychoanalytic Theory, Male
and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches,
Dr. Reuben Fine, director of the New York Center
for Psychoanalytic Training, wrote: "I have recently had
occasion to review the result of psychotherapy with
homosexuals, and been surprised by the findings. It
is paradoxical that even though politically active
homosexual groups deny the possibility of change, all
studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive
effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment
used... a considerable percentage of homosexuals became
heterosexual...
"If the patients were motivated, whatever procedure is
adopted, a large percentage will give up their homosexuality.
In this connection, public information is of the greatest importance.
The misinformation spread by certain circles that `homosexuality is
untreatable by psychotherapy' does incalculable harm to thousands
of men and women" (pp. 84-86)
A relatively small aspect of the harm of having people trapped in relationships
they do not want to be in (just as American gay activists seem to want them to
be):
"Homosexual authors David Island and Patrick Letellier attempt to
expose inter-gay violence in their book, Men Who Beat the
Men Who Love Them, estimating that up to "650,000 gay
men" n42 are annually battered; "a gay man is abused . . . every
90 seconds." n43 How many of these battered men die
at the hands of other homosexuals? There were 3327
cases of gay-on-gay "domestic violence" reported by the
National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs in 1997
n44 --three times the number of "anti-gay" "intimidation"
or assaults alleged upon homosexuals that same year. n45
Island and Letellier document inter-gay battery as the
primary homosexual health problem after 1) AIDS (males),
Cancer (females) and 2) drug abuse. They write, "The Director
of the Gay Men's Domestic Violence Project . . . in San Francisco
stated that domestic violence may affect and poison as many
as fifty percent of gay male couples." n46
....
Approximately 21,000 Americans are murdered every year,
an average of 58 each day, n49 compared to two killings
allegedly based on "sexual orientation" in 1996. n50 These hard
data find "gay" men to be at far greater risk of harm from other
gay men and from outraged, often former boy abuse victims, than
from homophobic rednecks. Yet Island and Letellier find
establishment media and the homosexual media will
not print the truth about inter-gay violence.
....
The Advocate, the premier magazine for homosexual readers,
reports that a minimum of seventy-five percent of its readers
admit to engaging in violent sex; twenty percent engaged
in sadistic "bondage and discipline"; and fifty-five percent
engaged in other sex acts using painful objects. n53
Compared to heterosexual distrust or dislike, the rare assault
inflicted on someone at a bar and the singular, although
horrible, aberrant murder, it is fair to say that the on-going,
most significant "hate crimes" against homosexuals are,
as Kirk and Madsen noted, inflicted by homosexuals. n54
In 1987, "the San Francisco police responded to no fewer
than 100 calls per month for gay and lesbian domestic
violence. . . . There are thousands upon thousands of
victims of gay men's domestic violence in the United
States each month." n55
In 1981, the homosexual press reported that about ten
percent of San Francisco's homicides resulted from
homosexual sadomasochistic abuse, n56 a finding that
would be in keeping with the Reisman & Johnson data
(discussed hereinafter), and that of several homophile
researchers who cited self-confessed sadism among
upscale homosexual Advocate readers. n57"
(Regent University Law Review
2001 / 2002
14 Regent U.L. Rev. 283
ARTICLE: Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth
Judith A. Reisman)
n42 DAVID ISLAND & PATRICK LETELLIER, MEN WHO
BEAT THE MEN WHO LOVE THEM: BATTERED GAY
MEN AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 14 (1991)
n43 ib
n44 Study Says Gay Abuse Reports Rise 67
Percent, ASSOC. PRESS, Oct. 7, 1998.
n45Anne Seymour et al., Hate and Bias Crimes,
in NAT'L VICTIM ASSISTANCE ACAD. (Anne
Seymour et al. eds., 2000) at
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/assist/nvaa2000/academy/
(last updated Jun. 5, 2001) (funding for this project
was provided by the United States Department of Justice).
In Chapter 22 Special Topics Section 1, Hate and Bias
Crime Abstract, of the 8049 hate crime incidents reported,
1102 were for "sexual orientation bias." Id. As in the year
2000, the largest category of bias crime alleged, "intimidation,"
does not involve physical touching or battery. Id.
n46 ISLAND & LETELLIER, supra note 42, at 12.
n47 Id. at 50.
n48 Id. at 16. As a side bar, it is striking that violence to boy
children by trusted adult males is also a common theme
in homosexual and "heterosexual" pornography. In the latter,
young girls are seduced and graphically raped but rarely illustrated
as stabbed, killed or cannibalized (unless in a scene with a boy).
For example, one Playboy cartoon has Santa, having just eaten
a little lad, tell his elf, "Bring in another!" PLAYBOY, Jan. 1977,
at 221. A Penthouse cartoon depicts Santa having blown apart a
small boy's brain with the caption, "That'll teach you to be a good
boy." PENTHOUSE, Dec. 1977, at 208. In another Penthouse
cartoon a Victorian family at the dinner table prepares to eat a headless,
naked, cooked boy as father says, "And God bless Tiny Tim" (Tim's
crutch has been laid aside forever). PENTHOUSE, Dec. 1988,
at 210.
n49 U.S. DEP'T OF JUSTICE, NATIONAL CRIME
VICTIMIZATION SURVEY: INJURIES FROM VIOLENT
CRIME 1992-98 at 1 (2001) ("on average each year more than
21,000 people were murdered, 1992-98").
n50 Seymour et al., supra note 45.
n51 ISLAND & LETELLIER, supra note 42, at 10.
n52 Id. at 24.
n53 Janet Lever, The 1994 Advocate Survey of Sexuality and
Relationships: The Men: Sexual Revelations, THE ADVOCATE, Aug.
23, 1994, at 21.
n54 REISMAN, supra note 27. On the one hand, "hate crimes"
against homosexuals, such as a physical assault are statistically
meager. On the other hand, the most statistically significant "hate
crimes" against homosexuals, as Island and Letellier document in
Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them, are inflicted on
male homosexual victims by male homosexual predators.
ISLAND & LETTELIER, supra note 42.
The United States Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization
2000 finds 14,700 male victims of "Rape or sexual assault."
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, NATIONAL CRIME
VICTIMIZATION SURVEY: CHANGES 1999-2000
WITH TRENDS 1993-2000, at 8 (2001). The data citing
14,700 male "rape" victims identify no males reporting their
forcible sodomization-rape as a "hate crime." Id. Roughly
14,700 males (commonly young boys) were sodomized
(while sodomy is perhaps an equally vile crime, I confine "rape" to
its traditional definition of penetration of the female) during 1999-2000.
Therefore, these 14,700 males were largely victims of bi/homosexual assault.
Assuming the accuracy of the now discredited Kinseyan 10%
homosexual figure, Island and Letellier estimate "500,000
gay male victims [of "domestic" violence] each year." ISLAND
& LETTELIER, supra note 42, at 13. The figures proposed
by Island and Letellier and the Lloyd and West data documenting the
sexual violence common to 300,000 to 600,000 boy
prostitutes (addressed further herein) suggest that the
14,700 "rape" figure from the Department of Justice is a
modest estimate of the current problem of bi/homosexual
sexual violence.
n55 ISLAND & LETELLIER, supra note 42, at 8-9.
n56 ROGER J. MAGNUSON, ARE "GAY RIGHTS" RIGHT?:
HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE LAW 23 (1985) (citing
Coroner Battles Sado-masochistic Injuries, ASSOC. PRESS, Mar. 12, 1981).
n57 JUDITH REISMAN & CHARLES JOHNSON, PARTNER
SOLICITATION AS A REFLECTION OF MALE SEXUAL
ORIENTATION (1991). Included in that report are three
studies, reported in GAY RELATIONSHIPS (John DeCecco
ed. 1988) by homophile researchers. The report examined sadism
among homosexuals, among other behaviors; Lumby, id. at 61-72,
Laner & Kamel, id. at 73-90, and Lee, id. at 11-32. These
independent, homosexually positive studies confirmed the
Reisman & Johnson findings of statistically significant rates
of homosexual sadism, public sex, desires for young
sex partners, promiscuity and the like.
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the moment, one of the points in the
programme I have laid down. But
we must look ahead. Rosenberg is a
forerunner, a prophet. His theories
are the expression of the German soul.樗
(Strasser, Otto. Hitler and I. Boston,
Houghton Mifflin Company, 1940. :96)
http://religionandpolitics.web1000.com/
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Didn't you used to haunt other newsgroups and badger people as Rev.
> Mother Henrietta Hickey?
No. Grandmother Holiness and I belong to the same Holy Church, the
First Universal Christian KIngdom, but we are two distinct
individuals. She visits New Sodom preiodically to denounce its many
sins, and she is planning to leave Texas because too few criminals are
executed there promptly enough. She and Father Holiness will soon be
moving to beautiful Pinellas Park, Florida, a retirment community
close to Auntie Clarinda's Charismatic Baptist Church.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Yep, same person.
No, we are not the same person. Grandmother Holiness typically
preaches in the parenting newsgroups. She's a mother of seven now,
and as much far more authoritative on the subject of parenting than I
am.
> Most recently she was sister sunshine,
No, and most people recognized that Sister Sunshine was relatively
young in the faith and needed practice before preaching to a bunch of
degenerates like you.
> and before that Rev. Norman, and on and on and on.
Please! Norman was a hypocrite who used this group to make sexual
contacts with guilt-ridden homosexuals so they could enact blasphemous
sex rituals in the Roman Catholic Organization. He was and still is
one sick puppy. He's also dying of AIDS.
> Person is either a good satirist, or a lunatic of the first order!
I am neither. I am a True and Full Gospel preacher who wants to see
sinners saved, redeemed, and transformed into saints. My success rate
is phenomenal, but it takes a lot out of my to preach to perverts.
Soon I'm going to concentrate solely on lesbians. Recently an old
girlfriend of mine from my sinful past came out here to New Sodom and
threw herself at my mercy. I cleansed and healed her and now she is a
Christian. She's still a babe in the Lord's arms, and we have to be
careful to keep her away from all the devil-possessed lesbians who
want to drag her back down in to Cesspool of Sappho. I'm sure we'll
have no trouble keeping Satan away from her.
Praying for you,
Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Faith Healer
Light Templar
"C.J.W." <watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:3E590B9C...@bellatlantic.net...
Then failed to go ahead and actually document a single case
of such change.
L. Michael Roberts
C.J.W. wrote:
>
> Dionisio wrote:
>
>>Bill Baker wrote:
>>
>>><dmi...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com> wrote in message
>>><3E560F41...@insight.rr.KERSNIP.com>:
>>>
>>>>rob wade wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Just How Effective are the Ex-Gay Ministries?
>>>>
>>>>3%. Next question?
>>>
>>>I have a couple. Out of those 3%, how many convert back to their previous
>>>ways? How many of them still "struggle with their homosexuality from time
>>>to time"? Sounds like 3% may be an extremely optimistic number.
>>
>>Um, that was the *effective* rate. (If a number so low can be called
>>"effective.") The other 97% did precisely as your wondered.
<snip>
> a considerable percentage of homosexuals became
> heterosexual...
Rather vague for someone claiming to be a scientist. Perhaps you
would care to back up you blathering by posting some proof in the
form of a peer reviewed study that gives some hard numbers and
follow-up?
<snip 2 end>
Mother Bernadette Strange
> And don't forget the lovable "Ima C*ckhound", the hillbilly mother of
> our own "A. Krieghund", currently known as "Ehrloser Mann". ;-)
For a brief moment, Marie, I was beginning to think I saw a
flicker of intelligence emerging from your vociferous posts. Now I
realize it was just the flames of your own personal rebellion against
Almighty God and His True People roaring away to declare your
affiliation with the forces of evil. As I have explained to you many
times, and which you seem unable to grasp in spite of my diligent
efforts, I am Mother Bernadette Strange and ONLY Mother Bernadette
Strange. I do belong to the same Holy Church as Father and Mother
Holiness, their seven children, my husband Rufus, and Thurgood and
Sunshine Tucker, among others. I was married to Norman Boyd but the
Church dissolved that marriage. I joined the Church after Eulalia
Meadows had left it for her filthy voodoo cult in Louisiana. I have
never been in any way connected with this vulgar Ima person or with
your friend the Happy Fun Ball, which is no doubt some kind of
vibrating sex toy. "Ima" is obviously a made-up name and "she" has
openly admitted "she" has no connection whatsoever with me, my family,
or our Holy Church. Our writing and posting styles are completely
different and we don't post from the same server. It's disheartening
to see how the homosexuals have so easily pulled you down into their
whirlpool of ignorance and prejudice.
I also reviewed some of your past exchanges with Sister Sunshine.
Perhaps she was indeed bratty at times, but as the older and
presumably wiser woman, you are expected not to sling foul language
and insults at a babe in the Lord. What kind of example did you set
for her? Wasn't it you who advised her to kill herself? You two
spent virtually a whole post arguing over the properties of feces. Is
that the kind of person you are? If so, may God help you! I
certainly can't. The homosexuals have destroyed your spiritual
faculties entirely. You might as well be one of them, if in fact
you're not already.
I'll soon be leaving this group again. I've done my part in
bringing the True and Full Gospel to you. I've also been diligent at
correcting your many grammatical and stylistic errors to make you
better writers as well as believers. The rest is up to you. After
next month you'll have to start paying for my Pearls of Wisdom by
ordering our Church's newsletter by mail. I'm not giving away the
Glory much longer.
Praying for sinners all the time,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian and a VERY Real Person
C.J.W.
Light Templar wrote:
> <snip>
> > In his 1987 publication, Psychoanalytic Theory, Male
> > and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches,
> > Dr. Reuben Fine, director of the New York Center
> > for Psychoanalytic Training, wrote: "I have recently had
> > occasion to review the result of psychotherapy with
> > homosexuals, and been surprised by the findings. It
> > is paradoxical that even though politically active
> > homosexual groups deny the possibility of change, all
> > studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive
> > effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment
> > used... a considerable percentage of homosexuals became
> > heterosexual...
> >
>
> Then failed to go ahead and actually document a single case
> of such change.
"A case report is presented where homosexuality
apparently 'spontaneously remitted' . . .while
the patient underwent treatment for stuttering.
The change in sexual orientation. . .[was] possibly.
. .induced through generalization effects from
treatment of the relevant phobic aspects of
the stuttering problem to the associated social
aspects of the sexual problem." (J.F. Porter.
"Homosexuality Treated Advantageously in a
Stuttering Therapy Program: A Case Report
Presenting a Heterophobic Orientation" Australia
and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry 10, no. 2 :185-89)
Perhaps the change to a homosexual fixation/"orientation" would be a more
interesting problem.
The change away from it happens naturally when people "shift" orientation. It
happens by choice according to some self-defined gays. It happens just by
talking. (i.e. psychotherapy, which ironically does not have high success
rates for much of anything.) It happens through support groups.
It could happen through use of medication or probably even placebo:
". . .a homosexual man with severe social phobia...responded...to
phenelzine. During treatment, however, there was an unexpected
change in his sexual [dis]orientation. [Upon seeking treatment
for social phobia the patient himself] state that he was 'gay,' that
he was content with this, and that he did not
want his sexual [dis]orientation to be
a treatment issue. He had been aware of his homosexuality
since his mid teens and was sexually active exclusively with
homosexual males. He was not aroused by females, and had
never experienced heterosexual intercourse, as his erotic fantasies
involved males only. [The patient was placed on 75 milligrams
per day of phenelzine. Four weeks later he reported being:] more
outgoing, talkative and comfortable in social situations. He
spoke spontaneously in groups without blushing. [He also]
reported a positive, pleasurable experience of meeting and
dating a woman. During the next two months, he began
dating females exclusively, reportedly enjoying heterosexual
intercourse and having no sexual interest in males. He
expressed a desire for a wife and family, and his sexual
fantasies became entirely heterosexual. [The author's conclude:]
Social phobia may be a hidden contributing factor in some
instances of homosexual behavior and that phenelizine. . .
might facilitate heterosexual activity."
(D.H. Golwyn and C.P. Sevlie. Journal of Clinical
Psychiatry. no. 1. :173-81)
The insistence that homosexual sexual desires or behavior are somehow immutable
for "most homosexuals" in a way that can be used to define a group "identity"
is only an ignorant idea developed on the basis of American gay activists'
bigotry.
Then, gay activists demand documentation of a "homosexual" changing when they
have constructed the notion of Gayｩ in the first place.
"In the West, for instance, it may be common to expect that a homosexual
preference is life-long, exclusive, and may even be genetic. McIntosh
(McIntosh,
M. 1968. The Homosexual Role. Soc. Probl. 16(2):182-92) has argued, however,
that
this kind of homosexuality is a relatively new Western cultural phenomenon, and
Weatherford (Weatherford, J.M. 1986. Porn Row. New York: Arbor House) questions
the extent to which exclusive homosexual preferences are even characteristic of
present day U.S. culture. The cross-cultural evidence suggests that life-long
or
exclusive homosexuality is a rare phenomenon. Bisexuality and situational or
ad
hoc homosexual behavior are more common."
(Annual Review of Anthropology,
Vol. 16, 1987, The Cross-Cultural
Study of Human Sexuality,
D. L. Davis, R. G. Whitten :69-98)
Marie C. Bennett
Strange) wrote:
>Marie C. Bennet babbled:
>
>> And don't forget the lovable "Ima C*ckhound", the hillbilly mother of
>> our own "A. Krieghund", currently known as "Ehrloser Mann". ;-)
>
> For a brief moment, Marie, I was beginning to think I saw a
>flicker of intelligence emerging from your vociferous posts. Now I
>realize it was just the flames of your own personal rebellion against
>Almighty God and His True People roaring away to declare your
>affiliation with the forces of evil. As I have explained to you many
>times, and which you seem unable to grasp in spite of my diligent
>efforts, I am Mother Bernadette Strange and ONLY Mother Bernadette
>Strange.
Yes, I have heard you the first time, I just don't think you're
telling the truth.
>I do belong to the same Holy Church
Yes, the First Universal Christian Kingdom - World Evangelical Temple
- Christians United Now and Tomorrow, worshipping the God of Laura
Schlessinger.
>I have
>never been in any way connected with this vulgar Ima person or with
>your friend the Happy Fun Ball, which is no doubt some kind of
>vibrating sex toy.
No, it was a joke poking fun at Japanese Engrish.
>"Ima" is obviously a made-up name and "she" has
>openly admitted "she" has no connection whatsoever with me, my family,
>or our Holy Church. Our writing and posting styles are completely
>different and we don't post from the same server. It's disheartening
>to see how the homosexuals have so easily pulled you down into their
>whirlpool of ignorance and prejudice.
But Mother, I don't take them seriously, just as I don't take you
seriously. I'm in this newsgroup for the cheap laughs only --- really,
you are very primitive if you think everything I write here is what I
really think.
> I also reviewed some of your past exchanges with Sister Sunshine.
Got too much time?
> Perhaps she was indeed bratty at times, but as the older and
>presumably wiser woman, you are expected not to sling foul language
>and insults at a babe in the Lord. What kind of example did you set
>for her?
No, you is operatin' under tha false delusion, as your Mother Keesha
would say. She (Sunshine), claiming to be a woman of God, is to set an
example for me, the uppity atheist scum, not the other way 'round.
>Wasn't it you who advised her to kill herself?
No. You're getting something confused here, madam.
>You two
>spent virtually a whole post arguing over the properties of feces.
I was lecturing her that a particular metaphor she used wasn't making
any sense.
>Is
>that the kind of person you are? If so, may God help you! I
>certainly can't. The homosexuals have destroyed your spiritual
>faculties entirely. You might as well be one of them, if in fact
>you're not already.
You're giving those homosexuals far too much credit. It was your kind,
the Falwell and Robberson kind of people, that made me abandon Church
'n faith.
> I'll soon be leaving this group again.
Do come back, will ya? Preferably as a young, cute male ex-homosexual
member of your church.
>I've done my part in
>bringing the True and Full Gospel to you. I've also been diligent at
>correcting your many grammatical and stylistic errors to make you
>better writers as well as believers.
And you've been also very diligent at making many errors yourself.
>The rest is up to you. After
>next month you'll have to start paying for my Pearls of Wisdom by
>ordering our Church's newsletter by mail. I'm not giving away the
>Glory much longer.
Your faith is small, Mother. You're leaving the scene when your work
is not yet finished. I am VERY disappointed, ma'am.
Ward Stewart
<I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Are the two conditions mutually exclusive? I don't THINK so!
Fenris
<watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> "A case report is presented where homosexuality
> apparently 'spontaneously remitted' . . .while
> the patient underwent treatment for stuttering.
> The change in sexual orientation. . .[was] possibly.
> . .induced through generalization effects from
> treatment of the relevant phobic aspects of
> the stuttering problem to the associated social
> aspects of the sexual problem." (J.F. Porter.
> "Homosexuality Treated Advantageously in a
> Stuttering Therapy Program: A Case Report
> Presenting a Heterophobic Orientation" Australia
> and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry 10, no. 2 :185-89)
Eeew, one whole case, from Australia, a guy who stuttered. Wow! "...a
heterophobic orientation." Gee, no bias in "heterophobic," now, is there?
Too bad that American psychiatrists and M.D.s do not believe that
homosexuality is something that requires "treatment."
> Perhaps the change to a homosexual fixation/"orientation" would be a more
> interesting problem.
For whom? The extreme homophobes, who turn out to be closet cases? Oops,
sorry, didn't mean to hit so close to home, Walter.
> The change away from it happens naturally when people "shift" orientation. It
> happens by choice according to some self-defined gays. It happens just by
> talking. (i.e. psychotherapy, which ironically does not have high success
> rates for much of anything.) It happens through support groups.
You don't think psychotherapy is effective for much of anything, but you
are quite ready to prescribe it for homosexuality--and never mind that
none of the relevant professional organizations do. That's brilliant,
Walt. :)
Therapy is one means of getting to know oneself, an interesting thing to
consider, in light of the common mystical prescription: "To know God, know
yourself." Give it a try, Walt!
> It could happen through use of medication or probably even placebo:
"Physician, heal thyself."
[snip]
> [The author's conclude:]
> Social phobia may be a hidden contributing factor in some
> instances of homosexual behavior...
"Some instances." Eeew, now there's a firm, speculative statistic. But
you'd like to generalize to all, eh, Walter?
> The insistence that homosexual sexual desires or behavior are somehow
> immutable or "most homosexuals" in a way that can be used to define a group
> "identity" is only an ignorant idea developed on the basis of American gay
> activists' bigotry.
Who has ever said that "behavior" is immuatable? Any fool can remain
sexually abstinant or masturbate inside a woman.
"...can be used to define a group "identity"? Group identities evolve. If
there is bigotry, it is your foolish assertion that there is anything
wrong with people defining themselves as they please or in forming social
groups, as they please.
> Then, gay activists demand documentation of a "homosexual" changing when they
> have constructed the notion of Gay© in the first place.
Nice, try, Walt, creating a straw dog by conflating sexual orientation and
a subculture identity. "Gay activists" have not created the notion of
sexual orientation. A Gay subculture is something new, in the world, an
artifact of modern, urban, complex society. That doesn't mean that
homosexuals (individuals of fixed orientation) did not exist before that
or that they have not existed even in cultures which have not made the
distinction of "sexual orientation."
> "In the West, for instance, it may be common to expect that a homosexual
> preference is life-long, exclusive, and may even be genetic.
"Preference" and "orientation" are not the same thing. And it is not
generally known in the West that some other cultures define "homosexual"
differently, on the basis of behavior, not as someone who experiences
greater romantic and sexual attraction to members of the same gender but
as one who is effeminate and/or adopts receptive or "passive" roles in
sexual activities. IOW, the guy doing the screwing in Arabic and Latin
American cultures isn't homosexual.
> McIntosh (McIntosh,
> M. 1968. The Homosexual Role. Soc. Probl. 16(2):182-92) has argued,
however, that
> this kind of homosexuality is a relatively new Western cultural
phenomenon, and
> Weatherford (Weatherford, J.M. 1986. Porn Row. New York: Arbor House)
questions
> the extent to which exclusive homosexual preferences are even
characteristic of
> present day U.S. culture. The cross-cultural evidence suggests that
life-long or
> exclusive homosexuality is a rare phenomenon.
Define "rare." Is that 2-5% of the population? Well, duh.
> Bisexuality and situational or ad hoc homosexual behavior are more common."
Well, duh, again.
> (Annual Review of Anthropology,
> Vol. 16, 1987, The Cross-Cultural
> Study of Human Sexuality,
> D. L. Davis, R. G. Whitten :69-98)
The highly respected anthropologist Marvin Harris (father of "cultural
materialism" or "cultural ecology") concludes that homosexuality is as
complex as heterosexuality. (See the relevant two chapters in "Our Kind,"
a very gneral introduction to the evolution of human culture.
So, Walt, why don't you try telling the truth about why you spend your
life obsessing about other people's sexuality? With all the nonconsensual
horrors in the world to suggest ways in which you might choose to serve
God (in us all and all around), through the promotion of truth and justice
(which God loves), speaking out on behalf of the persecuted, the "anawim,"
why is it that you spend your life lying about them, instead?
--
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http://www.TrueMajority.org
http://www.MoveOn.org
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ (Ramsey Clark's petition)
Light Templar
>
>
> Light Templar wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > > In his 1987 publication, Psychoanalytic Theory, Male
> > > and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches,
> > > Dr. Reuben Fine, director of the New York Center
> > > for Psychoanalytic Training, wrote: "I have recently had
> > > occasion to review the result of psychotherapy with
> > > homosexuals, and been surprised by the findings. It
> > > is paradoxical that even though politically active
> > > homosexual groups deny the possibility of change, all
> > > studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive
> > > effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment
> > > used... a considerable percentage of homosexuals became
> > > heterosexual...
> > >
> >
> > Then failed to go ahead and actually document a single case
> > of such change.
>
> "A case report is presented where homosexuality
> apparently 'spontaneously remitted'
A case report to whom? Ah yes, his very own publication!
How convenient! Now that has about zero credibility.
Marie C. Bennett
wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:56:02 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>
>
>Marie C. Bennett <do....@email.com> wrote: (The subject line) Your
>Holy Church Chickens Out When The Battle Reaches Its Climax!
>
>
>Are you an atheist, madam?
Nope.
Light Templar
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
news:94b6d5f1.03022...@posting.google.com...
news:<x106a.1595$cD5.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
> > Yep, same person.
>
> No, we are not the same person.
Cut it out bernie, your comedy routine is cracking me up!
Light Templar
"Ward Stewart" <wste...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:it6i5v4rjlki1vog5...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:57:01 GMT, "Light Templar"
> <I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Nonna Yabisness" <No...@Yabisness.and.no.spam.either.com> wrote in
message
> >news:Nonna-785DDD....@news.chatlink.com...
> >> In article <94b6d5f1.03022...@posting.google.com>,
> >> exle...@wowmail.com (Mother Bernadette Strange) wrote:
> >>
> >> > Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
> >> > True Christian Ex-Lesbian
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Didn't you used to haunt other newsgroups and badger people as Rev.
> >> Mother Henrietta Hickey?
> >>
> >
> >
> >Yep, same person. Most recently she was sister sunshine, and before that
> >Rev. Norman, and on and on and on. Person is either a good satirist, or
a
> >lunatic of the first order!
> >
> Are the two conditions mutually exclusive? I don't THINK so!
>
> ward
>
True, very true.
C.J.W.
Fenris wrote:
> In article <3E591828...@bellatlantic.net>, "C.J.W."
> <watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> > "A case report is presented where homosexuality
> > apparently 'spontaneously remitted' . . .while
> > the patient underwent treatment for stuttering.
> > The change in sexual orientation. . .[was] possibly.
> > . .induced through generalization effects from
> > treatment of the relevant phobic aspects of
> > the stuttering problem to the associated social
> > aspects of the sexual problem." (J.F. Porter.
> > "Homosexuality Treated Advantageously in a
> > Stuttering Therapy Program: A Case Report
> > Presenting a Heterophobic Orientation" Australia
> > and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry 10, no. 2 :185-89)
>
> Eeew, one whole case, from Australia, a guy who stuttered.
That was what was asked for.
"Narrowly, the question to be addressed is: Do conversion
therapy techniques work to change unwanted sexual arousal?
I submit that the case against conversion therapy requires
opponents to demonstrate that no clients have benefited
from such procedures or that any benefits are too costly in
some objective way to be pursued even if they work. The
available evidence supports the observation of many
counselors - that many individuals with same-gender
sexual orientation have been able to change through
a variety of counseling approaches."
(Warren Throckmorton, Efforts to Modify Sexual
Orientation: A Review of Outcome Literature and
Ethical Issues, 20 J. MENTAL HEALTH &
COUNS. 283, 287 (1998) )
<snip>
> Too bad that American psychiatrists and M.D.s do not believe that
> homosexuality is something that requires "treatment."
That's not true. Many do think that treatment should be given, especially if
someone wants it.
".....former APA President Robert Perloff denounced the
organization as "too politically correct" and beholden to
special interests. n9 He noted that the organization had
tried to prevent research into "conversion therapy"
(therapy to change one's sexual orientation) and had tried
to label it "unethical" a priori, even when the patient
wants conversion therapy. n10 The APA blocked
presentations from researchers on whether sexual
orientation can be changed through counseling and therapy,
n11 yet it published controversial research suggesting
that sex between children and adults may not be
harmful and then styled itself a defender of academic
freedom (prompting both houses of Congress to take the
unusual step of passing a unanimous resolution of
condemnation). n12 Meanwhile, the American
Psychiatric Association [not to be confused with
APA, which is American Psychological Association]
offered luridly titled presentations on counseling aspiring
transsexuals. n13 This creates a rather bizarre contrast.
On the one hand, "mainstream" academic/professional
organizations publish research suggesting adult-child
sex may not be harmful, and ["on the other" seems to
suggest a contrast . . . the contrast does not arise until the
next sentence] they endorse supportive therapy for
individuals who wish to surgically alter themselves (some
would say physically mutilate themselves) from one sex to
the other. Yet, they denounce as unethical any healthcare
professionals who offer therapy to homosexuals who
wish to become heterosexuals. In other words, it is
ethical to counsel a man to have his penis removed so
he can have sex as a heterosexual woman, but it's
unethical to counsel a man to have sex as a heterosexual
man even if he wants to have sex as a typical man."
(Regent University Law Review
2001 / 2002 14 Regent U.L. Rev. 241
PREFACE: Gay Orthodoxy and Academic Heresy
Ty Clevenger )
n9 Bridget Murray, Same Office, Different Aspirations,
MONITOR, Dec. 2001, available at
http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec01/aspirations.html.
n10 Id.
n11 National Association for Research and Therapy
of Homosexuality, APA Defends Scientific Freedom:
NARTH Responds (Aug. 2001), at
http://www.narth.com/docs/scifreedom.html.
n12 Id; see also Stacey Burling, Group Drops
Plans for Review of Child Sex-Abuse Study, MILWAUKEE
J. SENTINEL, Nov. 21, 1999, at 1, available at 1999 WL
21552494.
n13 See e.g., American Psychiatric Association, Transgender
Perspectives: Women to Men...You Don't Know Dick,
1998 Annual Meeting Agenda, available at
http://www.psych.org/pnews/98-02-20/0604.html
(last visited Apr. 6, 2002).
> > Perhaps the change to a homosexual fixation/"orientation" would be a more
> > interesting problem.
>
> For whom?
For everyone, since the best way to eliminate destructive behavior patterns based on
fixations and addictions is at the beginning.
> The extreme homophobes, who turn out to be closet cases? Oops,
> sorry, didn't mean to hit so close to home, Walter.
>
> > The change away from it happens naturally when people "shift" orientation. It
> > happens by choice according to some self-defined gays. It happens just by
> > talking. (i.e. psychotherapy, which ironically does not have high success
> > rates for much of anything.) It happens through support groups.
>
> You don't think psychotherapy is effective for much of anything,
It is just a fact that in general talking to a shrink is not much more effective
than talking to one's neighbor, etc..
<snip>
> > [The author's conclude:]
> > Social phobia may be a hidden contributing factor in some
> > instances of homosexual behavior...
>
> "Some instances." Eeew, now there's a firm, speculative statistic. But
> you'd like to generalize to all, eh, Walter?
Obviously general studies should be done and have been done. A single case was
asked for and two specific cases were provided.
> > The insistence that homosexual sexual desires or behavior are somehow
> > immutable or "most homosexuals" in a way that can be used to define a group
> > "identity" is only an ignorant idea developed on the basis of American gay
> > activists' bigotry.
>
> Who has ever said that "behavior" is immuatable?
I included desires. And some do say that their behavior is immutable, which fits
with a pattern of addiction.
"The emerging trend testifies to a positive correlation
between homosexuality and high neuroticism."
(Gerard van den Aardweg, Male Homosexuality and
the Neuroticism Factor: An Analysis of Research
Outcomes, 3 DYNAMIC PSYCHOTHERAPY
79, 79 (1985))
Two studies published in 1999 confirm Aardweg's
conclusion. These studies documented the mental
health problems among homosexual persons. They offer
particularly compelling evidence since the subjects
were neither patients nor volunteers. One was a
birth cohort study which followed 1,263 children born in
Christchurch, New Zealand for twenty-one years. n57
Results at age twenty-one for 1007 participants were
reviewed and the following information compiled: n58
SEXUAL ORIENTATION
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Heterosexual
Suicidal (ever)
(n = 28) (n = 979)
Suicidal Ideation
67.9% 28.0%
Suicide attempts
32.1 7.1
Psychiatric disorders (14-21 years of age)
Major Depression
71.4% 38.2%
Generalized anxiety disorder
28.6 12.5
Conduct disorder
32.1 11.0
Nicotine dependence
64.3 26.7
Other substance abuse/
60.7 44.3
dependence
Multiple (> / = 2) disorders
78.6 38.2
The second study by Herrell et al. involved pairs of
twins discordant in the matter of sexual orientation
and was part of a larger study of Vietnam veterans.n59
The researchers concluded: "Same-gender sexual
orientation is significantly associated with each
of the suicidality measures." n60
(Regent University Law Review 2001 / 2002
14 Regent U.L. Rev. 423
ARTICLE: Why Narth? The American Psychiatric
Association's Destructive and Blind Pursuit of
Political Correctness
Dr. Benjamin Kaufman)
n57 David M. Fergusson et al., Is Sexual Orientation
Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in
Young People?, 56 ARCHIVES GEN. PSYCHIATRY
876, 876 (Oct. 1999).
n58 Id. at 879 tbl.
n59 Richard Herrell et al., Sexual Orientation and
Suicidality: A Co-Twin Control Study in Adult Men,
56 ARCHIVES GEN. PSYCHIATRY 867 (1999).
n60 Id. at 867
<snip>
> > Then, gay activists demand documentation of a "homosexual" changing when they
> > have constructed the notion of Gayｩ in the first place.
>
> Nice, try, Walt, creating a straw dog by conflating sexual orientation and
> a subculture identity.
I suppose if it makes you happy you can call me Walt. At any rate, I'm not
conflating sexual desires with anything. I am not the one saying that a person's
sexual desires give them an "identity," you are.
> "Gay activists" have not created the notion of
> sexual orientation. A Gay subculture is something new,
Wrong.
<snip>
> > "In the West, for instance, it may be common to expect that a homosexual
> > preference is life-long, exclusive, and may even be genetic.
>
> "Preference" and "orientation" are not the same thing. And it is not
> generally known in the West that some other cultures define "homosexual"
> differently, on the basis of behavior, not as someone who experiences
> greater romantic and sexual attraction to members of the same gender but
> as one who is effeminate
That characteristic is included in the typical American definition of "gay."
> and/or adopts receptive or "passive" roles in
> sexual activities. IOW, the guy doing the screwing in Arabic and Latin
> American cultures isn't homosexual.
And some American gays do not consider themselves as gay.
All of this has nothing to do with the fact that sexual desires are generally
mutable, including homosexual sexual desire. It has nothing to do with the fact
that it really does not make sense to label people "gay" except by their own
behavior or self-definition. I.e. their own choices, which blows a hole in a lot of
gay activists' advocacy and victimization propaganda.
<snip>
> The highly respected anthropologist Marvin Harris (father of "cultural
> materialism" or "cultural ecology") concludes that homosexuality is as
> complex as heterosexuality. (See the relevant two chapters in "Our Kind,"
> a very gneral introduction to the evolution of human culture.
>
> So, Walt, why don't you try telling the truth about why you spend your
> life obsessing
I do not spend the time on this issue that you do so claiming obsession is
hypocritical.
> about other people's sexuality? With all the nonconsensual
> horrors in the world to suggest ways in which you might choose to serve
> God (in us all and all around), through the promotion of truth and justice
There are not very many activists against the promotion of truth and justice in
America the way that gay activists are. The real question is why have you devote so
much of your time to spreading the typical propaganda and abusive lies of American
gay activists?
> (which God loves), speaking out on behalf of the persecuted, the "anawim,"
> why is it that you spend your life lying about them, instead?
It's your own philosophy that leads to more abuse and persecution. It is
narcissistic Hedonism that leads to the abuse of children and others that
self-defined gays proclaim such "love" for. Even the person that self-defined gays
purport to "love" the most is often the person they abuse the most. But after all,
sodomy is an abusive act, whatever a person chooses to self-define as.
"After the advent of the AIDS epidemic, academic homosexual
leaders worried that boys were avoiding gay men. Herdt
explained that homosexual leaders determined they must
access schools, scouts, and other child institutions in order
to "institutionalize 'socialization' techniques" n237 to bring
homosexuality to mainstream youth in the mid-1980s and reverse
a growing youthful resistance to homosexuality. School
newspaper ads seeking "gay" youths n238 and proclaiming
a battle against gay suicide and associated "hate" crimes
began to appear regularly. Herdt explained why homosexual
recruitment efforts increased. "We had not foreseen that . . .
gay youth would also have to contend with the new horrors
of AIDS [and that] . . . teenage gays and lesbians would
shun older gays as role models or even as friends . . . ." n239
To meet this challenge, Herdt said, "Only now has gay
culture begun to institutionalize 'socialization' techniques
for the transmission of its cultural knowledge to a younger
generation . . ." n240 as "local 'gay' movements provide
their own infrastructural support for the coming out
process in teens." n241
Homophile medical anthropologist Douglas Feldman claimed,
"these kids are our (the gay community's) future and
we must invest in them." n242 Yet, Feldman admits that
gay and lesbian organizations discourage having "gay"
boys tested for HIV. n243 Why? Feldman's reply is
disturbing. "Teenagers tend to be very susceptible to
sexually transmissible diseases [that testing might expose]," n244
observed Feldman,. In any event, Feldman observes, these boys
"have about a one in four chance of developing AIDS in
approximately five years." n245 So how does the gay
community counteract the unforeseen boyish
fear of homosexual sex and an early, painful and lonely death?
Methods of socialization into "gay cultural values" were
subsequently developed and implemented. n246 The
victim-minority propaganda techniques which Marshall
and Kirk diagramed in After The Ball were largely
followed to facilitate sexual access to all American
schoolchildren. "How To Stop Child Abuse," is one
of a series of full-page, fear-based advertisements
designed by Kirk and Madsen to sell the idea of
"bi/homosexual youth" to middle-America. n247
Propagandizing as science the false Kinsey data that
"one in every ten kids" is gay, the ad poses a forlorn,
average young boy of about thirteen years of age.
Implicit in the ad language is the threat to parents
and boys-this could be you. n248
The ad says the boy felt "different" when growing up and
realized he was gay. n249 Then he was abused (thrown
out of his home) by his parents and brutally rejected by his
friends. n250 Because most children feel "different," telling
children this could mean they are "gay" exploits the viewer's fear
even as it encourages homosexual experimentation
and recruitment. n251
Kirk and Madsen provide an eight point "Strategic Evaluation"
form to evaluate an ad's success in vilifying the "straight"
world as scoundrels and smearing "parents [and] his folks,"
who are not gays, as child abusers. n252 This advertisement
rates a "Bull's-eye," say Kirk and Madsen, n253 for implicit
in the ad "How To Stop Child Abuse" is the boy's possible
suicide because of "his folks'" intolerance of yet another "gay
teen." n254 Following is the Kirk and Madsen
analysis of the ad:
STRATEGY: Jamming/Conversion/Desensitization. Build
straight sympathy and protectiveness toward gays by
portraying them as innocent victims of circumstance and bigotry.
Teach readers that homosexuality is extremely common.
[Kinsey's fraudulent 10 percent claim]
COMMENT: The headline catches the eye, and trades on
the perennial public hysteria about child abuse (which is,
of course, often blamed on gays). Then the copy turns the
tables on straights: by focusing on teens, the ad portrays
gays as innocent and vulnerable, victimized and misunderstood,
surprisingly numerous yet not menacing. It also renders
the 'anti-family' charge absurd and hypocritical. Bull's
eye. n255
However, the truth is that the "public hysteria about child abuse"
is grounded in real sexual violence, including sexual violence
to boys by men. Moreover, current U.S. population data
comparing heterosexuals and homosexuals finds that child
abuse should be "often blamed on gays," a population which
reports that its strategy of winning youths necessitates "coaching"
and "guiding" children into homosexual experimentation."
(Regent University Law Review
2001 / 2002 14 Regent U.L. Rev. 283
ARTICLE: Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth
Judith A. Reisman)
n237 Gilbert Herdt, Introduction: Gay and Lesbian
Youth, Emergent Identities, and Cultural Scenes at
Home and Abroad, in GAY LESBIAN YOUTH 3
(Gilbert Herdt ed., 1989). 4.
n238 See LASSON NEWSPAPER, Mar. 9, 1992. The Lasson
is a student newspaper at George Mason Junior-Senior
High School, Falls Church City, VA. The student
newspaper ran an advertisement for an organization in
the Mar. 9, 1992 edition that offered "support groups"
and a "helpline" for "Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Youth (aged
14-21) since 1985." The definition of "youth" as including
those even age 24 appears throughout the homosexual
school recruitment literature.
n239 Herdt :3.
n240 Id. at 4.
n241 Id. at 29.
n242 Douglas A. Feldman, Gay Youth and AIDS, in
GAY AND LESBIAN YOUTH (Gilbert Herdt ed.,
1989). "About half of all gay men in major North American cities
with large gay communities are HIV-1 seropositive,"
says Feldman. Id. at 189. He writes that the highly
promiscuous sex acts of "gay" youths predispose
them as early AIDS victims.. Addressing the resistance
of adult homosexuals toward allowing "gay" youths to
test for AIDS, Feldman explains these boys "would
have about a one in four chance of developing AIDS
in approximately 5 years." Id. at 188. Feldman,
summarizing Bell & Holmes, adds, "Teenagers tend
to be very susceptible to sexually transmitted diseases"
concluding that teenagers will have higher HIV rates
than bi/homosexual males who "come out" in "their 20's,
30's, and 40's." Id. at 189. Feldman cites support data
from the New York City Department of Health, Morbidity
and Mortality Weekly Report (1985). Id.
n243 Id. at 188.
n244 Id. at 189.
n245 Id. at 188.
n246 Id. at 192.
n247 MARSHAL KIRK & HUNTER MADSEN, AFTER
THE BALL: HOW AMERICA WILL CONQUER ITS
FEAR AND HATRED OF GAYS IN THE 90S (1989). at 228.
n248 Id.
n249 Id.
n250 Id.
n251 Id.
n252 Id. at 229.
n253 Id.
n254 Id. at 228-29.
n255 Id. at 229.
C.J.W.
Light Templar wrote:
http://www.ranzcp.org/anzjp.htm
One conversionist has "claimed that overall, 38% of his
patients achieved "solid heterosexual shifts'...."
(Charles Silverstein, Psychological and Medical
Treatments of Homosexuality, in Homosexuality:
Research Implications for Public Policy 101, 107 (John
C. Gonsiorek & James D. Weinrich eds., 1991)
Comparably, another study of thirty-two patients undergoing
group therapies aimed at changing sexual orientation
"reported a 37% shift to heterosexuality...."
Ib.. (citing S. Hadden, Treatment of Male Homosexuals
in Groups, 16 Int'l. J. Group Psychotherapy 13 (1966))
Author Method Number Treated Success Rate
A. Freud Psychoanalysis 8 50%
Ovesey Psychoanalysis 3 100%
Schwartz et al Psychotherapy 54 65%
Mayerson et al Psychotherapy 19 47%
Bieber Psychoanalysis 106 27%
Ellis Psychotherapy 28 64%
Ross et al Psychotherapy 15 73%
Monroe et al Psychotherapy 7 57%
Van den Aardweg Psychotherapy 101 65%
SATINOVER, at 186 (1996) (summarizing A. Cantom-Dutari,
Combined Intervention for Controlling Unwanted Homosexual
Behavior: An Extended Follow-up, 5 ARCHIVES SEXUAL
BEHAV. 269-74 (1976) and M.F. Schwartz & W.H.
Masters, The Masters and Johnson Treatment Program for Dissatisfied
Homosexual Men, 141 AM. J. PSYCHIATRY 173-81(1984)).
I suspect you'll find the same success and failure rates among
alcoholics and the like. I think it's typically 30%. And just like
gay activists say that the people who change were never really
"homosexual" in the first place it can just as easily be said that those
who do not change don't really want to change. I would not say either.
At any rate, the fact that there is any success proves the case that the
therapy should be offered to those who want it.
> How convenient! Now that has about zero credibility.
No, I think you have about zero credibility. Right along with the APA
which discredits itself on this issue for the sake of its public
relations pieces. Their public relations pieces are refuted by
undisputed anthropological and historical facts, let alone studies on
these issues. They must think that people are truly, truly ignorant...
ne...@neilvandyke.org
Light Templar
What we are looking for is a single, peer reviewed case. I see a whole lot
of claims.
Were these cases documented and peer reviewed?
Fenris
<watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > Too bad that American psychiatrists and M.D.s do not believe that
> > homosexuality is something that requires "treatment."
>
> That's not true. Many do think that treatment should be given, especially if
> someone wants it.
Sure, by all means; support people in torturing themselves.
Then those "many" had better check with their professional organizations.
[snip]
> Psychiatric Association [not to be confused with
> APA, which is American Psychological Association]
> offered luridly titled presentations on counseling aspiring
> transsexuals. n13 This creates a rather bizarre contrast.
> On the one hand, "mainstream" academic/professional
> organizations publish research suggesting adult-child
> sex may not be harmful, and ["on the other" seems to
> suggest a contrast . . . the contrast does not arise until the
> next sentence] they endorse supportive therapy for
> individuals who wish to surgically alter themselves (some
> would say physically mutilate themselves) from one sex to
> the other. Yet, they denounce as unethical any healthcare
> professionals who offer therapy to homosexuals who
> wish to become heterosexuals.
Of course that has nothing to do with the efficacy and ethics of the
treatments. ;-)
> In other words, it is
> ethical to counsel a man to have his penis removed so
> he can have sex as a heterosexual woman, but it's
> unethical to counsel a man to have sex as a heterosexual
> man even if he wants to have sex as a typical man."
And, of course, that has nothing to do with differences in efficacy of the
respective treatments. ;-)
[snip]
> > > Perhaps the change to a homosexual fixation/"orientation" would be a more
> > > interesting problem.
> >
> > For whom?
>
> For everyone, since the best way to eliminate destructive behavior patterns
> based on fixations and addictions is at the beginning.
Sorry, but sexual orientation is not a matter of "addiction," and being
homosexual is not destructive. Heterosexuals are every bit as vulnerable
to sexual addiction and self-destructive sexual behavior as homosexuals.
> > You don't think psychotherapy is effective for much of anything,
Nice snip, Walter! I believe I went on to say something like: "...but you
prescribe it to cure homosexuality."
> It is just a fact that in general talking to a shrink is not much more
> effective than talking to one's neighbor, etc..
But you prescribe it to cure "homosexuality." LOL!
> <snip>
>
> > > [The author's conclude:]
> > > Social phobia may be a hidden contributing factor in some
> > > instances of homosexual behavior...
> >
> > "Some instances." Eeew, now there's a firm, speculative statistic. But
> > you'd like to generalize to all, eh, Walter?
>
> Obviously general studies should be done and have been done. A single case
> was asked for and two specific cases were provided.
So provide the general studies you say have been done. Peer-reviewed, are
they. ;-)
> > > The insistence that homosexual sexual desires or behavior are somehow
> > > immutable or "most homosexuals" in a way that can be used to define
a group
> > > "identity" is only an ignorant idea developed on the basis of American gay
> > > activists' bigotry.
> >
> > Who has ever said that "behavior" is immutable?
>
> I included desires. And some do say that their behavior is immutable,
which fits
> with a pattern of addiction.
Jeez, you are really deluded and dishonest. All behavior which is
immutable is not the result of "addiction", and addictions can be treated,
with varying degrees of success. Sexual orientation is not defined by
behavior.
> "The emerging trend testifies to a positive correlation
> between homosexuality and high neuroticism."
[massive mercy snip]
Golly, imagine that! Homosexuals growing up in homophobic environments
(i.e. subject to psychological, physical, and sexual abuse) manifest a
high degree of "neurosis", e.g., depression, suicidal behavior, et cetra.
Now, why ever on earth would that be?
> > > Then, gay activists demand documentation of a "homosexual" changing
when they
> > > have constructed the notion of Gay© in the first place.
> >
> > Nice, try, Walt, creating a straw dog by conflating sexual orientation and
> > a subculture identity.
>
> I suppose if it makes you happy you can call me Walt.
It would make me happy if you had the honesty and courage to post under a
real name.
> At any rate, I'm not conflating sexual desires with anything.
Yes, you are!
> I am not the one saying that a person's sexual desires give them an
"identity," you are.
Well, sexual orientation has to do with the part of one's core identity
having to do with romantic and sexual attraction, but you are conflating
that with a "Gay" social identity, specific to our culture, an identity to
which you object; although it does not affect or harm you in any way.
> > "Gay activists" have not created the notion of
> > sexual orientation. A Gay subculture is something new,
>
> Wrong.
Think you better read Harris, whom I have already cited.
> <snip>
>
> > > "In the West, for instance, it may be common to expect that a homosexual
> > > preference is life-long, exclusive, and may even be genetic.
> >
> > "Preference" and "orientation" are not the same thing. And it is not
> > generally known in the West that some other cultures define "homosexual"
> > differently, on the basis of behavior, not as someone who experiences
> > greater romantic and sexual attraction to members of the same gender but
> > as one who is effeminate
>
> That characteristic is included in the typical American definition of "gay."
In the typical homophobic definition. Effeminacy is not a safe indicator
of sexual orientation. .e., the guy doing the screwing is not considered
homosexual.
> > and/or adopts receptive or "passive" roles in
> > sexual activities. IOW, the guy doing the screwing in Arabic and Latin
> > American cultures isn't homosexual.
>
> And some American gays do not consider themselves as gay.
Non sequitur. Oh, wait, would that be you? Well, it's still fine by me.
You're the one who is all hung up about how other people define
themselves. Oh, but you are calling them Gay, even though they don't
consider themselves to be. Yeh, Walt, that makes sense! :) Hey, it's
okay with me if you have a profound need not to believe that you are
homosexual.
> All of this has nothing to do with the fact that sexual desires are generally
> mutable, including homosexual sexual desire.
Not for everyone, Walt. There are folks at both extremes for whom
orientation is fixed. They can be as sexually abstinent or celibate as
they want; they can even marry, screw their wives and have kids, and they
are still homosexual. I've know a number of the latter, people whose lives
were lies, who spent years lying to everyone close to them, hating
themselves, until they finally came out of the closet. One such person
expressed it to me as feeling as if years of slime were slipping away. So,
you see, Walt, there's still hope for you.
> It has nothing to do with the fact
> that it really does not make sense to label people "gay" except by their own
> behavior or self-definition. I.e. their own choices, which blows a hole
in a lot of
> gay activists' advocacy and victimization propaganda.
Walter, Walter. First convince all those people out there that they are
not really "heterosexuals," that there is no such thing as
"heterosexuals," and convince them that the people they have been calling
"homosexuals" aren't really homosexuals; THEN try convincing the
homosexuals that they are not really homosexuals. ;-) You really are nuts.
> <snip>
>
> > The highly respected anthropologist Marvin Harris (father of "cultural
> > materialism" or "cultural ecology") concludes that homosexuality is as
> > complex as heterosexuality. (See the relevant two chapters in "Our Kind,"
> > a very gneral introduction to the evolution of human culture.
> >
> > So, Walt, why don't you try telling the truth about why you spend your
> > life obsessing
>
> I do not spend the time on this issue that you do...
Oh, but you spend much, much more! You were posting in Usenet when I
arrived, and there are whole collections of the idiocies you have posted.
Want me to share some? There are some neat ones. I seem to remember one
about oral sex making one's voice higher. There is no hate you have not
spewed.
>... so claiming obsession is hypocritical.
You are the one who has made your life about "other" people's sexuality.
Again, Walt, try being honest and explain your personal obsession with
*other* people's sexuality.
> > about other people's sexuality? With all the nonconsensual
> > horrors in the world to suggest ways in which you might choose to serve
> > God (in us all and all around), through the promotion of truth and justice
>
> There are not very many activists against the promotion of truth and
justice in
> America the way that gay activists are. The real question is why have
you devote so
> much of your time to spreading the typical propaganda and abusive lies
of American
> gay activists?
Nice projection, Walter! You mean responding to the abusive lies and
propaganda of hatemongering bigots like yourself? Yeh, that's a hard one
to figure out. ;-)
But, again, take a look at the nonconsensual horrors in our world and
explain why you are obsessed with consensual behavior.
> > (which God loves), speaking out on behalf of the persecuted, the "anawim,"
> > why is it that you spend your life lying about them, instead?
>
> It's your own philosophy that leads to more abuse and persecution.
It's interesting how bigots always blame the targets of their bigotry.
Doesn't matter what the target group happens to be; it's always the same,
and the same kinds of propaganda are used. Bigotry is based upon
irrational fear. In the case of homophobia it has to do the fearing
oneself, one's own feelings.
> It is narcissistic Hedonism that leads to the abuse of children...
Nope, that's called pedophilia, and, like rape, it has to do with the
issue of power.
>... and others that self-defined gays proclaim such "love" for.
"Others"? Which "others" do you claim are being abused?
> Even the person that self-defined gays
> purport to "love" the most is often the person they abuse the most. But
after all, sodomy is an abusive act, whatever a person chooses to
self-define as.
And anal intercourse is neither universally practiced by nor by any means
exclusive to homosexuals. Apparently it's something that 24% of
heterosexuals do. As to it's being abusive; that is something that I leave
up to others to decide for themselves.
[massive snip of garbage]
Sex education and support of Gay/Lesbian youth is not a means of
"recruitment" nor a common avenue for abuse.
Healthy heterosexuals do not spend their lives as you do, Walter.
John J. Petry
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>> Cesspool of Sappho. <<
I love that one. I am going to have to share it with some of my dyke
friends. Maybe they will come and give you the liking that keeps you
ticking mom.
Light Templar
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licking. :c)
Tim, Some call me
> One conversionist has "claimed that overall, 38% of his
> patients achieved "solid heterosexual shifts'...."
Just for the heck if it, could you tell us what the elipses
represent? What was cut out?
--
"George W. Bush lives at the intersection of faith
and inexperience. This is not a reassuring address,
especially in a time of trouble."
--Joe Klein
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http://gods_soldier.blogspot.com
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Yes, I have heard
You may have "heard," especially if like many semi-literate people you
read aloud all the time, but it's obvious the Truth isn't penetrating
your darkened mind. You need to pray for guidance.
> you the first time, I just don't think you're telling the truth.
Then why not simply admit you're plagued by doubts, or that you can't
tell Truth from falsehood any more, instead of making false
accusations against the People of God? I am not Ima. That filthy
name "she" uses is synonymous with "homosexual," or did that detail
escape you like so many others?
> Yes, the First Universal Christian Kingdom - World Evangelical Temple
> - Christians United Now and Tomorrow, worshipping the God of Laura
> Schlessinger.
That's right. You still don't seem to believe our Holy Church exists.
I suppose you haven't bothered to call our Hotline to Heaven yet to
hear live testimony of the Power of God.
> No, it was a joke poking fun at Japanese Engrish.
Ridicule is your favorite sport, isn't it?
> But Mother, I don't take them seriously, just as I don't take you
> seriously.
God will punish you for not taking my preaching seriously.
> I'm in this newsgroup for the cheap laughs only ---
That's obvious. I'm sorry you haven't found anything more
constructive to do with your time. Allow me to remind you that sloth
is still a sin.
> really, you are very primitive if you think everything I write here is what I
> really think.
It's disingenuous of you if it isn't. I wonder what else you're lying
to everyone here about.
> Got too much time?
It only took five minutes.
> No, you is operatin' under tha false delusion, as your Mother Keesha
> would say.
That's not genuine Ebonics, and that's not the way Sister Keesha talks
or writes. She's my sister because she's younger than I am.
> She (Sunshine), claiming to be a woman of God, is to set an
> example for me, the uppity atheist scum, not the other way 'round.
She did that in her own not quite yet refined way. She shared the
Word of God with you and tried to help you overcome your doubts and
fears. In return you were rude and nasty to her. Is that how you
treat people who try to help you?
> No. You're getting something confused here, madam.
I'll admit that it's all a matter of interpretation, but that's how I
understood your post.
> I was lecturing her that a particular metaphor she used wasn't making
> any sense.
I personally would have preferred to introduce a loftier subject into
the discussion, but some people obviously never progress beyond their
personal childhood toilet training issues.
> You're giving those homosexuals far too much credit. It was your kind,
> the Falwell and Robberson kind of people, that made me abandon Church
> 'n
There should be two apostrophes in that word, since you're dropping
both the a and the d from "and." You mustn't blame me or anyone else
in our Holy Church for your gullibility in falling for any wealthy
televangelists' scams. It should have been obvious to you that their
ministries, totally unlike ours, are all about pulling in money. Just
look at how many minutes of "The Old Time Gospel Hour" are devoted to
begging for contributions instead of teaching the Truth. They never
would have fooled me, even when I was a sick lesbian who used to call
"The 700 Club" just to shock the operators with the kind of vulgar
talk you resort to again and again here. I was skilled at keeping
them on the line for an hour babbling about my struggles with
temptation. I never called anyone "dumb*ss" or "f*cker." I got them
to feel sorry for me. Later, when the prayers they said for me didn't
work (because they didn't perform telephone exorcisms the way Rufus
can), I called back and asked for a money-back guarantee. Our Holy
Church is NOTHING like that. I may ask for financial help every now
and then, but that has never been my primary purpose here.
> faith.
Which you lost a long time ago.
> Do come back, will ya? Preferably as a young, cute male ex-homosexual
> member of your church.
If I come back, it'll be "as" myself. I can only be myself, contrary
to what the homosexuals have convinced you to believe. Sister
Sunshine is eager to come back and spar with you again. So is her
natural sister, Sister Serenity. She's a baptist but not a member of
our Holy Church, so I'm not sure I can endorse any of her trachings.
She probably espouses error. I know they don't do faith Healings in
her church, so she may not be able to reach out to homosexuals. I've
heard that she believes they should all be stoned to death, but their
little brother is a homosexual and they seem to be having some success
winning his soul away from the devil. It figures that you would want
a "young, cute" man to fool around with. It's the Ayn Rand syndrome
all over again. Is Norman young enough for you?
> And you've been also very diligent at making many errors yourself.
Far fewer than you, my dear -- FAR fewer.
> Your faith is small, Mother.
As if you would know, of thou of NO faith whatsoever! If you believe
in something, even if it's a false god, why are you so ashamed to
discuss it? Do you bow down before graven images and chant spells in
Japanese?
> You're leaving the scene when your work is not yet finished.
My work is in my kitchen, my bedroom, and my nursery, not here in this
filthy semen-stained homo haven.
> I am VERY disappointed, ma'am.
I'm sure God feels the same way about you. One day God will catch up
with you, and the sparks, I assure you, will fly!
Hoping you'll repent before that happens,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian Ex-Dominatrix for Satan
Fenris
<watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> No, I think you have about zero credibility.
That's rich, coming from you. See below.
> Right along with the APA
> which discredits itself on this issue for the sake of its public
> relations pieces. Their public relations pieces are refuted by
> undisputed anthropological and historical facts, let alone studies on
> these issues. They must think that people are truly, truly ignorant...
No, but you are--and nuts. You never fail to misunderstand and/or
misrepresent the legitamate social scientist you quotes.
From: Bruce Garrett <bgar...@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: The Collected Wit and Wisdom of postman
Date: 30 May 1999 05:27:25 -0700
When postman decided to start yapping at me about my providing
quotes, I decided to take a wee stroll through my APH archive. Here's a
little of what I found from our current firsthand example, of what
an anti-Gay lunatic writes like.
What's striking when you look at the stuff he posted here in the
late 1998, is how offhandedly he refer to Gay people then as "homos". His
contempt for Gay people was not under the leash it is now, and that's
saying something. Many times I see him in those days, referring to Gay
civil rights rhetoric as "homo promo logic". It's pretty hard to read all
this crap in one go, and not see the red hot hostility that he views
homosexual people with.
This isn't meant to be a comprehensive survey...I just did a quick
grep on the archive from April 1999 through 1998. (aside to postman...why
do you keep putting two spaces after a comma?) I don't expect to see him
posting earlier then that...at least not under his current alias. When you
read it all together during the same sitting, you see a lot of interesting
similarities between his rhetoric and another's...particularly in the stuff
about how "society has decided", that one man one woman is best for
children, and his claim that homosexuality is bad because it negates the
complementary nature of the sexes. There is also a very interesting little
diatribe about how Gay people will get what we want if we just move more
slowly and not try to push our demands on society. Where have I heard that
before...
I tried to limit my sample here to single quotes, but occassionally
found an exchange with him and another poster that was too good to pass up.
Those are contained between the
--------------------
otherwise everything in quotes is from him. Message IDs and post dates for
specific quotes can be provided upon request.
Now without further adieu...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Collected Wit And Wisdom of Postman
"Homosexuality is a mental disorder, the attraction to those of the
same sex."
"Alcoholism! Choice? or Inheritance?
A better question would be who cares? You'll be just as dead when
you die from drunk driving as when you die from AIDs."
"The anus was is not designed for a penis. When men perform oral
sex on men it destroys their voice."
"Perhaps I should clarify. I was wrong to say it 'destroys their voice',
as that is not true. I should have said it seems to mess with their
speech. I just wonder why so many gay men speak with what is commonly
known as a lisp?"
--------------------
> Not very many do in my experience.
"Okay, you're very likely much more an authority on it than I. After
all, (you're gay right?) your experience probably has more depth than
mine (mine = T.V. and a few gays I've talked with.)."
--------------------
"My fault, it obviously doesn't 'destroy their voice'. I hereby retract
that. It just makes some of em talk funny. If that's not what
causes it what does?"
"Btw how is it "stereotyping" to say many gay men speak with a lisp?"
"The truth is "homophobic intolerance" to most gays."
"I didn't think gays would agree with evolution. After all any gay
'gene' would have been eliminated millions of years ago."
"If they've been around since the 'begining of time etc.' then this
faulty portion of the population would have been eliminated at one
time or another. How does the gay 'gene' survive evolution?"
"A species has its begining somewhere, this would be an individual
having a chance mutation etc. (according to evolution). The first
homo would have been eliminated and the gene that goes with it."
"Okay, homos were inferior according to evolution."
"The theory of natural selection would say that homos are
inherently inferior for it's purposes."
--------------------
> Asshole.
"Coming from a gay I guess that's a compliment, since they've been
know to have a propensity to like 'assholes'.
--------------------
"Many homosexual arguments smell of narcissism to me. It is inherent in
their preference and chosen behavior so that makes sense."
"There's a huge difference between being born left handed and being
born with tendencies toward abberant behavior."
"anyone who insists they've 'never' had a passing hetero thought in
this culture is lying."
"If there are no 'lifestyles' why does the word exist?"
"Usually any sexual minority can't get away with 'flaunting' their
abnormal sexual preferences. Only gays can, when is the last time
we've seen a group of prostitutes marching down the street in their
underwear for 'prostitution rights'?"
"What a family is. Gender roles, sex distinctions.....etc., all the
absolutes you don't care about."
--------------------
> (And before you go calling them "non-Catholic," consider whether
> the Church and the Pope do so. If they don't, then they have to
> be true Catholics.)
"At least they have a standard they pledge to live up to. Unlike
those who must attack the very nature of the sexes and the
standards based in it in order to validate their choice."
--------------------
"I guess I'll have to go manipulate some gay into stoking their moral
vanity again because I don't feel like re-reading threads..."
"I'm aware that every generation thinks the world is coming to an end.
This doesn't change the fact that cultures can and do devolve and
forcing others to sanction homosexuality (by "marriage") may well be
a sign of it."
"The APA created your movement, get over it."
"You have no Martin Luther King and never will."
"Lack of leadership just validates the common stereotype a little more
that gays are insecure to the point of being pathetic, needy and
narcissistic."
--------------------
"Hell, I swear, if homophiles didn't have 'bigots', 'homophobes',
'them', etc. to blame who knows what they'd do."
>They'd just get on with their lives like everybody else.
"Perhaps. But perhaps you're underestimating abnormal people's need
for validation..."
--------------------
"This culture doesn't agree with you that homosexuality is the most
natural and beneficial thing in the world or gay marriage would be
legal."
"I know enough to know that it's _heterosexuality_ that's implied as the
ideal, not homosexuality."
"If it wasn't important to educate (indoctrinate) children with the
virtues of being gay. Why do gays keep trying it? Why are we
constantly subjected to various homo promos? Don't hide behind
they're trying to promote "tolerance" either, what they're doing is
seeking to promote approval. Perhaps because they're so insecure with
their own choice in behavior that they need others approval to feel
validated."
--------------------
>>It is not merely a matter of numbers. It is "non-standard".
> So is left-handedness.
> So is opposite-sex marriage for a homosexual.
> So is being african-american.
> So is being episcopal.
> So is your obsession with other people's sex lives.
"Maybe he should have clarified and said 'abnormal aberration'."
--------------------
"The alchoholic cannot say, it's in my genetics, therefore I'm not
responsible for my actions. Why would an alchoholic choose to be
addicted to alchohol? Of course they're "born that way" too. So
they're the victims of their genetics too? Perhaps they should
organize and lead the fight for approval of alchoholism."
"Why do you so need to prove it's genetic if it's good and normal?
Why are gay suicide rates so high? Why is being gay different
than other fetishes? Why are gays the majority of the victims of
AIDS? Why were most civilizations wrong all throughout history?
Why is the average gay life span so low? Why were gays the first
to get AIDS? Why are some gays seeking to change, scriptures,
religious doctrines, the church, the state, the schools, the army
and the Boy Scouts? Why do gays seem to so desperately need the
approval of society?
"This behavior is not normal and it is not good."
"You're just a bestialityphobe! Why would they choose to be that way?
Don't you now how persecuted that makes them? You're too judge mental.
Who are you to judge, you bigot. It's just like people being born
left-handed Blah blah blah......insert all the normal homo promo
rhetoric here __________."
"What is the purpose of gay marches if not to promote their behavior?"
"So if the animals could consent it would be all right? There's
probably already some pervert who can prove their animal consents."
--------------------
> Well, if you are saying that homosexuality is an aberation, then you
> still need to demonstrate the harm it causes to the individual or
> society. 'Proof by assertion' is not sufficient.
"Does incest cause harm?"
--------------------
"Ever notice that the people who say, 'you can't legislate
morality' are usually the proponents of legislating immorality?"
--------------------
> No, simply treated equally as heterosexual behavior.
"'No, simply....'?! Treating it equally would be encouraging it."
--------------------
"Polygamists etc. doings aren't "illegal" in many places they're just
not sanctioned (state) through and/or given the sacrament (church)
of marriage."
"Most people can't control their feelings. Many people are born with
different types of feelings. The serial killer, for instance, is
born with tendencies towards feelings of killing people. This
doesn't make acting on any type of feelings either right or wrong."
"You're trying to say pedophilia is a choice? Why would anyone choose
to be that way? Don't you know that morality is entirely relative to
culture? Insert more homo promo logic here _________."
"So your answer to my original 'So?' is that being 'born that way'
gives someone a right to not be 'degraded' or disapproved of? Do you
'degrade' pedophiles? I do."
"Most gay male couples are probably more promiscuous than hetero
couples, yes. AIDS can be a result of this."
"You'd better hope the majority of pedos are straight or the puny
minority of male homos would get a taste of real persecution not
just 'denigration'.
"Like I said the most intellegent of this generation realizes the
nihlism inherent in your message. It's interesting to watch the
reaction it gets from those who only wanted to attack certain
absolutes, as gays do."
"Being "unaware" and then 'aware' of a preference makes it mutable by
default and it is most certainly 'not an immutable characteristic'.
"This is a republic. We can cater to whatever we want even if or when
it takes a constitutional amendment as we have seen."
"male male relations neglect the complementary nature of the sexes and
thus the nature of homosexuality itself causes destructive preferences
and behaviors and should be discouraged. "
"Anyhow, when gays quit marching around in their underwear practicing
lewdness in the street you might have progress."
--------------------
> But heterosexuals are not routinely condemned as a class
> of people because of their child molesters.
"No they're not, because they're not already advocating one type of
perversion."
--------------------
"By standard homo promo 'logic' everyone who cares enough to condemn
and/or disagree with something is actually a hypocrite. I.e. all
homos who care enough to 'condemn' or 'denigrate' pedophilia are
just closeted pedophiles."
--------------------
> The anus wasn't designed for a penis? How do you know this?
"Let's just say I wouldn't have to do detailed research to figure out
that thetheory that the earth orbits the sun is 'accepted beliefs',
or that the anus was not designed for a penis.
--------------------
"Whomever or whatever designed the anus it obviously was not designed
for the homo use. I wonder why homos haven't evolved something to
procreate in that way. Supposedly they've been around since the
beginning of time etc. etc. Of course that really couldn't be true
according to evolution's fundamental tenet of natural selection."
--------------------
> It's interesting how you've turned my words from the general
> (homosexuality) to the personal (my sexuality - which I've never
> mentioned), from one meaning (a sexual expression of love) to
> a confined meaning (sex = love) and continued to insist I said
> that, from questions about your interpretations to "attacks" on
> your rights. You've put words and intents in my mouth that never
> were there. You've decided to add that I have great anger. You
> have called me names, and you imply it's my fault because you
> 'ran out of cheeks to turn.' Interesting. I will not respond to
> your letters anymore, even if you attempt to goad me with more
> twisting, lies, inventions and rationalizations. By the way,
> it's very obvious that you *do* bear malice - a lot of malice.
"Hey, that's my job."
--------------------
"What is most probable is that those of a certain sexual disoriention
are very insecure with their choice and as a result frightened of
anyone who in any way disagrees with their behavior, even to the
extent of giving knee jerk reactions. That's all."
"So we finally meet a pagan homo, and I thought you were just a myth."
"Surely in all male relatoins bondage is more prevalent. It's surpising
that you're not into it but then, you're bi. bye."
"Men like bondage more than women. (Subjective opinion I'm *not*
willing to research, one argumentum ad numerum though; many would
agree with that statement.)"
"Btw Usenet is a world unto itself, inhabited by many kooks and
perverts, and no I'm not one of them."
---
-Bruce Garrett \ http://www.pobox.com/~bgarrett
Cockeysville, MD. / \ Your manuscript is both good and original, but the
part that is good is not original, and the part
that is original is not good.
-Samuel Johnson
Ward Stewart
Perhaps a tad sharper, better scansion, as "Sapphic Cesspit."
C.J.W.
Fenris wrote:
> In article <3E5953EB...@bellatlantic.net>, "C.J.W."
> <watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Heterosexuals are every bit as vulnerable
> to sexual addiction and self-destructive sexual behavior as homosexuals.
That's simply factually incorrect.
"There is more promiscuity among gays (or at least
among gay men) than among straights."
"The damage is redoubled when such creatures solicit
straight boys--a prime example of the gay tendency to
'live down to the stereotype. . . .It makes apparent liars out
of gays who protest that their sexual activities occur only
in private and between consenting adults, and are therefore
of no legitimate interest to the straight community or its legislative
apparatus. . . . And we emphasize, such behavior isn't at
all uncommon."
Kirk and Madsen
See generally:
(Regent University Law Review 2001 / 2002
14 Regent U.L. Rev. 283
Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth
Judith A. Reisman)
"The remaining "bachelors" (heterosexual Washingtonians
versus homosexual Advocates), were character analyzed
by categorizing and tabulating the advertisers' partner
solicitations. These primary findings were supported
by several cross-validation analyses of biographies, travel,
self-reports as well as other scholarly studies as cited below. n86
0.45% Washingtonian heterosexual bachelors (n = 2885)
were "in search of/offer" man-girl sex. n87
15% Advocate homosexual bachelors (n = 7407) were
"in search of/offer" man-boy sex. n88
Additional Corroborative Studies:
49% of "gay" male biographies (n = 166) report sex with boys. n89
41% of "gay" travel in foreign countries (n = 139) report laws on adult sex with
boys. n90
21% of Advocate readers (n = 2500) report adult molestation before age 15. n91
73% of "gay" men report sex with boys 16-19 or younger. n92
100 boys a year, plus, report molestation by a Boy Scout Leader. n93
150 boy homosexual victims versus 20 girl heterosexual victims per molester. n94
153 homosexual offenders assaulted 22,981 boys. n95
224 heterosexual offenders assaulted 4435 girls. n96
Psychologist Eugene Abel reported homosexuals "sexually molest
young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times
greater than the molestation of girls. . . . Nonincarcerated child
molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender . . .
whose targets were males." n98
The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is
staggering. Abel's data of 150.2 boys abused per male
homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual
violations of 19.8 girls. n99
These data are fully supported by the pre-Kirk and Madsen
homosexual political writings, especially blatant in Karla Jay
and Allen Young's two pro-gay books, Out of the Closets n100
and The Gay Report. n101 The former reprints "Gay Manifestos"
which boldly proclaim "kids can take care of themselves, and
are sexual beings way earlier than we'd like to admit . . . nice
bodies and young bodies are attributes, they're groovy,"
calling for elimination of the age of consent. n102
Jay and Young's finding of fifty to seventy-three percent of
homosexual males self-reporting sex with boys n103 (even
Advocate readers admitted to a twenty-one percent
molestation rate by age fifteen), n104 is of a "fit" with the one
in six or seven boys child-protection data estimates as boy
abuse by bi/homosexual males. n105
In Figure 2 (below), 1991 US Population, Statistical Abstracts n106
data are compared to the conservative, accepted child sex abuse
estimates (one in four girl victims and one in six to eight boy victims) n107
as well as accepted estimates of the homosexual and heterosexual
populations.
The homosexual population has been internationally identified in
France, England, and the USA as between one and three percent
(in a range of 1.5% to 2%). n109
Hard data confirm international research and law enforcement reports
that the two percent homosexual population harbors a vast pederast
boy abuse subculture. n110 Again, these data do not suggest that all
or most homosexuals abuse children. What they do show, however,
is that a statistically significant higher percentage of bi/homosexuals
abuse children than do heterosexual males. ...... It is assumed that
much child sexual abuse goes unreported and some unsubstantiated.
Hence, the following statistics are to be viewed with caution
as reflecting the best available current data.
Looking at the data in Figure 2, of 90 million American adult males:
86-88 million heterosexuals are the population pool from
which roughly 8 million girls (25% of all girls) are victimized. n111
1-2 million homosexuals are the population pool from which
roughly 6 to 8 million boys (17% to 24% of all boys) are
victimized. n112
Statistically then, 3 to 4.5 boys are victimized per each
homosexual male. n113
1 girl is victimized per each 11 heterosexual males. n114
Extant homophile studies also support these high rates of abuse:
50% of white homosexuals had 500+ sexual partners,
another one third averaged 100-500. n115
25% of white homosexuals admitted sex with boys,
"sixteen years old or younger." n116
50%+ of AIDS victims (n=279) had oral or anal sex
with a male by age 16 (1981-82). n117
20% of AIDS victims (n=279) had sex with a
male by age 10 (1981-82). n118
21% Advocate respondents (n=2500) "were sexually
abused by an adult by age 15." n119
The Advocate admitted that by 1991 almost 10,000 vulnerable,
lonely boys (discussed later) initiated into homosexual acts
allegedly via "consensual" sodomy, are now nonconsensual AIDS
statistics. n120 Due to better medications, says the executive director
of an AIDS resource center, "deaths may be down, but infections
are not." n121 Why? "Young men think of themselves as immortal."
Oral sodomy, a standard homosexual act, was found to be "the lone
risk factor (i.e. likely cause) in 8 percent of HIV infections" while anal
sodomy "soared by more than 40 percent" in one year, 1997-98 . . . 800
teen-agers (in many cases an entire high school) will be
contracting HIV every year [in Kentucky]." n122
The current dearth of data on causation of pediatric AIDS illustrates
the deliberate censorship of politically incorrect research. Dr. George
Rekers of the Department of Neuropsychiatry at the University of
South Carolina, School of Medicine, confirmed Dr. Loraine Day's
observations n123 regarding the difficulties encountered by researchers
who seek funding or publication if their results are unacceptable to
homosexual authorities. n124 Government agencies, including
the National Institutes of Health, often "stack" review committees
with homosexual scientists and/or gay rights supporters, thereby
insuring that politically incorrect research is not funded. n125
Perhaps the most worrisome of these anti-science activities has been
the limited amount of governmental research examining the connection
between early child sexual abuse and pediatric AIDS. Dr. Laura
Gutman, a respected child sexual abuse researcher, and her colleagues
found in their preliminary government funded studies that 14.6%
of children in the study with AIDS had "been sexually abused . . . .
Transmission by child sexual abuse was the most frequent of the
proven modes of acquisition of HIV in this population." n126 Twelve
males were identified (n=8) or suspected (n=4) of being perpetrators. n127
The lack of funding for such studies may deserve a congressional
inquiry. To hide the fact that most AIDS children appear to be infected
by bi/homosexuals, the "World AIDS Day" artfully reports that
"16% of adolescents with AIDS, aged 13 through 19 . . . have been
infected through heterosexual contact," n128 rather than that 84%
of AIDS children are infected by male bi/homosexual sex abuse.
Figure 3: A Minimum of 59% of Boys Infected by Men
HIV Transmission Routes in Adolescents
Aged 13-21 in the United States" *
Male Homosexuals/bisexual males
51%
Transfusion recipients
22%
Male homosexual intravenous drug users
8%
Heterosexuals
8%
Intravenous drug users
6%
Other
5%
* These statistics are taken from the study "AIDS Among Adolescents,"
published in the October 1990 issue of the American Journal of
Diseases of Children.
The Advocate published this table, (Figure 3), identifying at least
fifty-nine percent of adolescents with AIDS directly infected
by adult bi/homosexuals. It is reprinted here verbatim. n129
(Individuals over 18 generally are not considered "children" per
se, but one should recall that AIDS typically manifests itself
several years after infection).
By 1991 the Advocate cited CDC data identifying 7166 boys and
1537 girls (also commonly infected by bi/homosexual boyfriends)
dying of AIDS. n130 Where are the thousands of child sex
murder convictions for the men who fatally infected these
boys and girls?
Where is the outcry on behalf of these children in the establishment
media? Instead of prosecution of their rapists-murderers, schools
provide carte blanche to predators by implying that boys with
AIDS were "gay" from childhood. By labeling boy AIDS
victims "consenting gays," homosexual spokesmen "blame
the victims," blaming the boy's own death upon the
young "initiate." n131"
"Each new homosexual generation is being replenished
by heterosexuals whose productionof gay sons is entirely
unrelated to the dynamics of the epidemic. AIDS, therefore,
can keep mowing down gay men and rather than die out,
phalanx after phalanx will emerge from the trenches, ready to be
mowed down anew. The epidemic could literally go on forever."
(Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, Gabrielle Rotello)
<snip>
> > It is just a fact that in general talking to a shrink is not much more
> > effective than talking to one's neighbor, etc..
>
> But you prescribe it to cure "homosexuality." LOL!
Even talking to one's neighbor could cure types of homosexuality based on social
phobia. I did not say I prescribe it, just that there are successes. This is
simply a fact. A fact that you have such a problem with for some reason. Yet in
this same post you admit that for most people "orientation" is not fixed. You are
being disingenuous.
<snip>
> Golly, imagine that! Homosexuals growing up in homophobic environments
> (i.e. subject to psychological, physical, and sexual abuse) manifest a
> high degree of "neurosis", e.g., depression, suicidal behavior, et cetra.
> Now, why ever on earth would that be?
A correlation remains regardless of environment. You have not refuted anything I've
said factually. You "could" make your case factually if the truth was on your
side. E.g., compare suicide rates in nations in which homosexuality is generally
considered immoral versus nations in which it is generally considered moral. The
reason that you do not make a factual case, is the fact that you cannot.
<snip>
> > I am not the one saying that a person's sexual desires give them an
> "identity," you are.
>
> Well, sexual orientation has to do with the part of one's core identity
> having to do with romantic and sexual attraction, but you are conflating
> that with a "Gay" social identity, specific to our culture, an identity to
> which you object; although it does not affect or harm you in any way.
It's not just the fact that your arguments are based on lies which should be
corrected for the sake of knowledge and truthfulness. Your lies do harm others.
Your practice of intellectual fascism and promotion of political correctness over
moral correctness supposedly rationalized by "harm" is ironic.
<snip>
> > > > "In the West, for instance, it may be common to expect that a homosexual
> > > > preference is life-long, exclusive, and may even be genetic.
> > >
> > > "Preference" and "orientation" are not the same thing. And it is not
> > > generally known in the West that some other cultures define "homosexual"
> > > differently, on the basis of behavior, not as someone who experiences
> > > greater romantic and sexual attraction to members of the same gender but
> > > as one who is effeminate
> >
> > That characteristic is included in the typical American definition of "gay."
>
> In the typical homophobic definition.
There is nothing irrational about it. It is the simple recognition of a strong
pattern recognized by self-defined gays and non-gays alike.
> Effeminacy is not a safe indicator
> of sexual orientation.
It is fairly safe.
<snip>
> Oh, but you are calling them Gay, even though they don't
> consider themselves to be.
No I don't. You do.
> Yeh, Walt, that makes sense! :) Hey, it's
> okay with me if you have a profound need not to believe that you are
> homosexual.
I don't know how you think that discredits what I've said since my argument is based
on facts, not "feelings" as is yours.
But looking at "feelings" for a second:
If I really did have a "profound need" to not believe that I was homosexual I would
most likely label others as "gay" and in so doing put distance between myself and a
supposed "them." But by saying that in general everyone has the same capacities and
choices, as humans, not as supposed collectives defined by sexual
fixations/"orientations" I am including myself. If I were like you and others I
would set up the different identities and statuses and play at collectivist/fascist
politics, just as you do. Instead of dealing with statuses and identity/"who" in
which there can be no resolution to any problems I deal with viewpoints/"what" in
which there can be resolution, because a transcendent viewpoint applies to all,
while an immanence based notion of identity/status and the like does not apply to
everyone equally.
> > All of this has nothing to do with the fact that sexual desires are generally
> > mutable, including homosexual sexual desire.
>
> Not for everyone, Walt.
Yes, the possibility is there for everyone. You can deny it as you like. But that
only makes one wonder what it is that is so terrible about homosexuality that all
choice in the matter must be denied.
> There are folks at both extremes for whom
> orientation is fixed.
So you admit that in general people can change and it is the "extreme" minority that
cannot or will not. After all that??? Maybe you should talk to other gay
propagandists about the truth on the matter. Maybe you should try fighting for the
truth for once instead of your perversion and lies.
At any rate, that is irrelevant because sexual desires are generally irrelevant to
politics and ethics. Many men have a fixed orientation towards promiscuity and no
one argues that laws should be changed on the basis of those sexual desires. There
are some men who it could be argued cannot control either their orientation nor
perhaps even their behavior. We do not treat this fact, and it is a fact, as if
laws should be changed or as if the immoral can be defined as moral on the basis of
sexual desires/fixations/"orientations." Nor should we. We do not make general
public policy on the basis of sexual desires nor on the basis of exceptions.
> They can be as sexually abstinent or celibate as
> they want; they can even marry, screw their wives and have kids, and they
> are still homosexual. I've know a number of the latter, people whose lives
> were lies, who spent years lying to everyone close to them, hating
> themselves, until they finally came out of the closet. One such person
> expressed it to me as feeling as if years of slime were slipping away. So,
> you see, Walt, there's still hope for you.
You may want to consider the fact that your idea that homosexuality discredits
someone else and the like is based on considering homosexuality as something that
drives people to be irrational. Perhaps you are right.
> > It has nothing to do with the fact
> > that it really does not make sense to label people "gay" except by their own
> > behavior or self-definition. I.e. their own choices, which blows a hole
> in a lot of
> > gay activists' advocacy and victimization propaganda.
>
> Walter, Walter. First convince all those people out there that they are
> not really "heterosexuals,"
But they are heterosexuals as defined by their behavior and self-definition so why
would I want to do that? Plus, there's nothing wrong with heterosexuality per se
because the traditional romance of heterosexuality can be a good and constructive
thing which profoundly promotes the general welfare when guided by the correct
values.
> that there is no such thing as
> "heterosexuals,"
There is such a thing as heterosexuals as defined by their chosen behavior and
avowance of heterosexuality.
<snip>
Red herring. You have not dealt with the fact that you telling other people what
their "identity" is on the basis of sexual desires is as if they have no choice in
the matter is wrong. It's wrong and it is destructive. All the while you cause
harm to others you maintain the pretense that other people are causing harm.
<snip>
> Nice projection, Walter! You mean responding to the abusive lies and
> propaganda of hatemongering bigots like yourself?
You are giving other people a false identity based on their sexual desires and
seeking to entrap them in the notion that they have no choices. You are causing
harm. And it is not even on the basis of ignorance and prejudice that you cause
harm. You are both more destructive than any bigot and more immoral because you
know better, while they do not.
". . . .gender nonconformity and precocious psychosexual
development were predictive of self harm. . . For each year's
delay in bisexual or homosexual self-labeling, the odds of a
suicide attempt diminish by 80 percent.” [G. Remafedi, J. A.
Farrow, and R. W Deisher. “Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide
in GayBisexual Youth,” Pediatrics 87, no.6(1991), pp.869—75.]
“The very experience of acquiring a homosexual or bisexual
identity at an early age places the individual at risk for dysfunction.
This conclusion is strongly supported by the data."
[G. Remafedi, “Adolescent Homosexuality: Psychosocial
and Medical Implications,” Pediatrics 79, no. 3 (1987), pp. 331—37.]
"High risk sex between men accounts for the largest proportion of
AIDS cases among adolescents (13 to 21 years of age). Sex
between males has been implicated in 70% of the cases that were
unrelated to blood products. [n1] In a national sample of sexually
transmitted disease (STD) clinics, human immunodeficiency virus
(HIV) seroprevalence among 20- to 24-year-old male homosexual
youths was found to be 30.1%, as compared to an overall rate of 1.4%
among same-aged clients."
(Pediatrics 1994; 94: 163-168
August, 1994 Section: Articles.
Predictors of Unprotected Intercourse Among
Gay and Bisexual Youth: Knowledge, Beliefs, and Behavior
Gary Remafedi, MD, MPH)
<snip>
> But, again, take a look at the nonconsensual horrors in our world and
> explain why you are obsessed with consensual behavior.
I am not against toleration of consensual behavior. I am against your gospel of
Hedonism and the harm you cause with it. I am against the way you want to preach
narcissistic Hedonism to youths. On the other hand, you are for the mentoring of
homosexuality.
> > > (which God loves), speaking out on behalf of the persecuted, the "anawim,"
> > > why is it that you spend your life lying about them, instead?
> >
> > It's your own philosophy that leads to more abuse and persecution.
>
> It's interesting how bigots always blame the targets of their bigotry.
What I am saying is not based on ignorance. You want to lead and entrap people into
behavior patterns and immorality which will cause them harm. You want to promote
the notion that people do not have choices to make your task easier. You want
people to feel entrapped in behavior patterns that they may want to change. You
want youths to be trapped in an "identity" of your own making in which they become
depressed and self hating because the identity you have created is based on
perversion and disorder.
> Doesn't matter what the target group happens to be; it's always the same,
> and the same kinds of propaganda are used. Bigotry is based upon
> irrational fear. In the case of homophobia it has to do the fearing
> oneself, one's own feelings.
There is nothing irrational about being against the harm you cause.
"Each new homosexual generation is being replenished
by heterosexuals whose productionof gay sons is entirely
unrelated to the dynamics of the epidemic. AIDS, therefore,
can keep mowing down gay men and rather than die out,
phalanx after phalanx will emerge from the trenches, ready to be
mowed down anew. The epidemic could literally go on forever."
(Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men, Gabrielle Rotello)
"[L]ife expectancy at age 20
years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to
20 years less than for all men.” It is
estimated that “nearly half of
gay and bisexual men currently aged
20 years will not reach their 65th
birthday.” (1997 study: “Modelling
the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay
and Bisexual Men” in the International
Journal of Epidemiology (Volume 26))
> > It is narcissistic Hedonism that leads to the abuse of children...
>
> Nope, that's called pedophilia, and, like rape, it has to do with the
> issue of power.
It has to do both with people who like the feeling of power and people who think
that children are sexual and that pederasty is a form of "love." Both are
Hedonists. You have not refuted anything. And your attacks on moral objectivism
undermine the ethical basis upon which pedophilia is condemned. Not only that but
your support for a false identity which you assign to children and youths is not so
different from the false identity that pedophiles and pederasts give them.
> >... and others that self-defined gays proclaim such "love" for.
>
> "Others"? Which "others" do you claim are being abused?
Their domestic partner, if they have one. The person that they "love" by sodomizing
and abusing in general, emotionally and physically.
> > Even the person that self-defined gays
> > purport to "love" the most is often the person they abuse the most. But
> after all, sodomy is an abusive act, whatever a person chooses to
> self-define as.
>
> And anal intercourse is neither universally practiced by nor by any means
> exclusive to homosexuals. Apparently it's something that 24% of
> heterosexuals do.
You mean have done, perhaps only once and not as a typical behavior pattern. And
certainly not a typical behavior pattern of those who adhere to the teleological
thinking of traditional romance and a Providential complementarity of the sexes.
And it is not a typical behavior pattern of people who truly love the person they
have sex with.
Perhaps that is why it is actually a typical behavior pattern of self defined gays.
Because, for all your projections, yours is the path to true hate. Hate of one's
self/identity and hate of others who share it.
<snip>
--
--W
“Hitler stopped and looked me
in the eyes,‘Christianity is, for
the moment, one of the points in the
programme I have laid down. But
we must look ahead. Rosenberg is a
forerunner, a prophet. His theories
are the expression of the German soul.’”
C.J.W.
Light Templar wrote:
An open journal like that is ultimately peer reviewed. And a single peer
reviewed case would not impact the facts of anthropology and history either one
way or another.
To be honest, I do not care what you are looking for. You have not refuted
anything I have given evidence for. You, or the typical ignorant gay activist
kooks, do not define the standards of "proof." After all, to the typical gay
activists their own desires are the proof of whether something is ethical or
not. And that standard goes against civilization itself. So it is not as if
they have a track record of choosing the correct standards and making the
correct discriminations and judgments. After all, they typically say that they
do not even believe in discrimination so how are they going to be the ones to
make correct discriminations.
One personal testimony of the efficacy and helpfulness of therapy is enough to
warrant its availability to people who want to choose it.
The fact that gay activists deny that and instead attempt to define other
people by their sexual desires and to craft a supposedly immutable "identity"
for other people on that basis illustrates just how narcissistic and bigoted
the typical gay activist is. The fact that many gay activists also seek to
eliminate freedom and choices for other people just adds to their promotion of
self-destruction.
> I see a whole lot
> of claims.
> Were these cases documented and peer reviewed?
Are you saying that you will accept as fact a study that is peer reviewed?
If something is testable and repeated in numerous studies peer review is
irrelevant. And there is the fact that some things simply fall outside the
bounds of science.
Peer review and publication must be interspersed with
historical, philosophical, medical, and sociological support.
Ultimately, it is up to you to judge the quality of any study. Peer review is
all well and good and useful but that does not mean that you can cede your
responsibility to DISCRIMINATE to others as gay activists have a habit of
wanting on other issues as well. E.g. the desire to have the state make
people's discriminations for them.
"One study demonstrated that peer reviewers' theoretical
orientations influenced their evaluations of the methodological
quality of research, such that they found studies to be of
higher quality when the findings agreed with their orientation
(Mahoney, 1977). Even meta-analyses examining the
same group of studies reached conclusions that were
consistent with the theoretical orientation of the
meta-analysts (Miller & Pollock, 1994). Moreover, scientists
appear to be willing to ignore fundamental methodological
flaws, such as missing control groups or nonrandom
assignment, if they believe the research question is an
important one (Wilson, DePaulo, Mook, & Klaren, 1993)."
(Psychology, Public Policy and Law June, 2002
8 Psych. Pub. Pol. and L. 180
SPECIAL THEME: EXPERT TESTIMONY IN THE
COURTS: THE INFLUENCE OF THE DAUBERT,
JOINER, AND KUMHO DECISIONS
Margaret Bull Kovera, Melissa B. Russano, Florida
International University and Bradley D. McAuliff,
University of Nebraska-Lincoln)
"Scientific experts can have accumulated knowledge,
but they are not infallible, nor is peer review always a
sufficient check. One of the major lessons of the
environmental movement is what society gains when
experts are forced to expose the assumptions behind
their conclusions and the limitations of their expertise
and current state of knowledge."
(Penn State Environmental Law Review
Summer, 2002
10 Penn St. Envtl. L. Rev. 135
Who Owns Science?
A. Dan Tarlock)
Light Templar
Not necesarily true.
Dionisio
> See generally:
>
> (Regent University Law Review 2001 / 2002
> 14 Regent U.L. Rev. 283
> Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth
> Judith A. Reisman)
<LOL> Regent university and Reisman! Dogma U and a "researcher" who sues
her detractors for slander and lible, and looses!
Ouch! Now My tummy hurts from laughing too hard.
--
http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~dionisio -- Snookems, the white kitty.
"Ah, you are looking better already, Mr. Pontimer! I could have taken
another twenty years off your life, had you come here for treatment
twenty years ago! Embalming is most effective when commenced before
death occurs. If only Mr. Black didn't require me to operate at such a
disadvantage, waiting until hours after life is extinct! I really must
go on strike for the right to embalm living people, don't you agree?"
-- From _Hard Sell_ by Piers Anthony
L. Michael Roberts
C.J.W. wrote:
>
> Fenris wrote:
>
>>In article <3E5953EB...@bellatlantic.net>, "C.J.W."
>><watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Heterosexuals are every bit as vulnerable
>>to sexual addiction and self-destructive sexual behavior as homosexuals.
>
> That's simply factually incorrect.
>
> "There is more promiscuity among gays (or at least
> among gay men) than among straights."
Naturally you have a citation from the recent, mainstream, peer
reviewed, scientific literature to back that up?
<snip>
> (Regent University Law Review 2001 / 2002
> 14 Regent U.L. Rev. 283
> Crafting Bi/Homosexual Youth
> Judith A. Reisman)
ROFLMAO! The well known and under qualified homophobe Judith
Reisman, as published in the non-peer-reviewed publication of a
religious university - now that's credibility folks! ROFLMAO!
Fenris
to your garbage, and I hate myself for it. The sad thing is that I think
you truly believe what you write. Anyone who is capable of writing "The
philosophic naturalism that is the foundation of evolutionism is not hard
to
debunk." is a total loon.
Jesus commmanded love for a reason. In order to be able to love, one needs
to be able to empathize. That ability is limited by the degree to which
one knows and accepts oneself. So, again, Walter, explain to us why, in a
world wracked with nonconsensual horrors of all sorts, the big threat to
which you have committed yourself to combatting is homosexuality. What is
your personal investment in it all? And I know you have one, that you are
not motivated by some altrusitic desire to save humanity. It is something
very up close and personal. This I know for certain: Healthy people do not
spend their lives, as you do, obsessing about other people零 sexuality.
Healthy, secure heterosexuals do not obsess about
homosexuals/homosexuality. You靶e got a real issue about being defined as
a homosexual. Why零 that? Are you effeminate? Grwoing up, did you mess
around with other boys, enjoy it, and worry that you were Gay? Or is your
bisexuality too much for you to handle? Personally, I think you are a
genuine closet case, as research indicates most extreme homophobes, like
yourself, are. For once in your pathetic life try telling the truth about
yourself instead of spewing hate about others. And it is spewing lies and
hate. The most prominent social scientists in the world are in aggreement
about that.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Perhaps a tad sharper, better scansion, as "Sapphic Cesspit."
That's not a Hebraism. "Cesspool of Sappho" is.
> weird
> "The United States is currently involved in a rather
> expensive and extensive conflict with certain groups
> of fundamentalist Muslims who have a similar attitude
> concerning their moral code and its applicability to
> you.
> I doubt very much that you are willing to acquiesce
> to their doctrines any more than I am willing to
> acquiesce to yours."
That's because Islam is a false religion.
Mother Bernadette
True Christian
Fritz
> Fenris wrote:
>
> > In article <3E5953EB...@bellatlantic.net>, "C.J.W."
> > <watt...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Heterosexuals are every bit as vulnerable
> > to sexual addiction and self-destructive sexual behavior as homosexuals.
>
> That's simply factually incorrect.
>
> "There is more promiscuity among gays (or at least
> among gay men) than among straights."
Either you can't read for information or you don't know the
meaning of promiscuity.
I'm snipping the rest, it's too dam long.
Besides being a waste of time.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Taking back my freedom of conscience.
Marie C. Bennett
Strange) wrote:
>You may have "heard," especially if like many semi-literate people you
>read aloud all the time, but it's obvious the Truth isn't penetrating
>your darkened mind. You need to pray for guidance.
*I* need to pray? Even if you hate it, there's a nice German saying
which applies in your case: Herr, lass Hirn vom Himmel fallen!
>> you the first time, I just don't think you're telling the truth.
>
>Then why not simply admit you're plagued by doubts, or that you can't
>tell Truth from falsehood any more, instead of making false
>accusations against the People of God?
1) You're not a person of God.
2) I am completely able to distinguish truth from falsehood, and I
recognize you and your church to be not the truth, but a scam. This
analysis is the result of a crystal-clear mind, something people like
you hate and need to resort to call it the work of "Satan", that
multi-purpose wonder who you can blame for everything that sucessfully
disproves your ridiculous claims.
3) I am not in doubt, I am absolutely certain, beyond doubt, that you
are a scam. Ha! What do you say now, hm?
>I am not Ima. That filthy
>name "she" uses is synonymous with "homosexual," or did that detail
>escape you like so many others?
"Ima Cockhound" is a play on words which means "I am a Cockhound"
disguised as a name, just as the name of your "church", the First
Universal blah blah blah hides the phrase "f*ck wet c*nt", in case you
haven't noticed. These cheap jokes identify you, no matter how many
times you change your name or your posting server.
>> Yes, the First Universal Christian Kingdom - World Evangelical Temple
>> - Christians United Now and Tomorrow, worshipping the God of Laura
>> Schlessinger.
>
>That's right. You still don't seem to believe our Holy Church exists.
> I suppose you haven't bothered to call our Hotline to Heaven yet to
>hear live testimony of the Power of God.
No, I haven't. What's the number? Or is too "sacred" for you to tell
me?
>> But Mother, I don't take them seriously, just as I don't take you
>> seriously.
>
>God will punish you for not taking my preaching seriously.
Ooooh, I am trembling ;-P
>> I'm in this newsgroup for the cheap laughs only ---
>
>That's obvious. I'm sorry you haven't found anything more
>constructive to do with your time. Allow me to remind you that sloth
>is still a sin.
Permission denied.
>> really, you are very primitive if you think everything I write here is what I
>> really think.
>
>It's disingenuous of you if it isn't. I wonder what else you're lying
>to everyone here about.
Well, guess!
>> No, you is operatin' under tha false delusion, as your Mother Keesha
>> would say.
>
>That's not genuine Ebonics, and that's not the way Sister Keesha talks
>or writes. She's my sister because she's younger than I am.
You wouldn't know genuine Ebonics if it bit you in the butt. Ninure
already identified Keesha's "ebonics" as fake.
>> She (Sunshine), claiming to be a woman of God, is to set an
>> example for me, the uppity atheist scum, not the other way 'round.
>
>She did that in her own not quite yet refined way.
That's putting it VERY mildly.
>She shared the
>Word of God with you and tried to help you overcome your doubts and
>fears.
She never did that. She called me "bent", a "hag", claimed I molested
my neighbors' children and wanted me to look at her "precious".
>In return you were rude and nasty to her. Is that how you
>treat people who try to help you?
She is not a person who tried to help me. She's a rude brat who has
accomplished nothing in this newsgroup. She even came up with a
ridiculous story about AIDS coming from another planet.
>It should have been obvious to you that their
>ministries, totally unlike ours, are all about pulling in money.
Unlike yours!? It was only last week that you wanted me to give you my
bank account number! Not even the sleaziest pig preacher on television
was as openly greedy as you! Shame on you!
>Our Holy
>Church is NOTHING like that. I may ask for financial help every now
>and then, but that has never been my primary purpose here.
How about posting YOUR bank account number, so people can send you
money that way?
>> faith.
>
>Which you lost a long time ago.
Yes. What a happy day it was.
>I can only be myself, contrary
>to what the homosexuals have convinced you to believe.
Again, you're giving the homos far too much credit. You don't need a
homosexual to add one and one together.
>Sister
>Sunshine is eager to come back and spar with you again.
She'll better have changed her attitude, otherwise she's in for some
"intense" lessons on civility and courtesy, mind you!
>It figures that you would want
>a "young, cute" man to fool around with. It's the Ayn Rand syndrome
>all over again. Is Norman young enough for you?
No. "Young" means younger than 20.
>> And you've been also very diligent at making many errors yourself.
>
>Far fewer than you, my dear -- FAR fewer.
Too bad I didn't bother to maintain a scorecard to show your terrible
record here, so I'll have to let you slide by on this one...
>> Your faith is small, Mother.
>
>As if you would know, of thou of NO faith whatsoever!
"of thou of no faith"? This coming from the woman, or man, or thing,
whatever, who dares to obsess about other people's "bad" spelling and
grammar, when she herself is FULL OF IT!
>If you believe
>in something, even if it's a false god, why are you so ashamed to
>discuss it?
Like you once said, I don't cast my pearls before swine.
>Do you bow down before graven images and chant spells in
>Japanese?
No, my Japanese isn't good enough for that. I wanted Sunshine to
practice with me, but she instead tried to fool me with a complicated
sentence that even two native speakers of Japanese I asked couldn't
understand.
>> You're leaving the scene when your work is not yet finished.
>
>My work is in my kitchen, my bedroom, and my nursery, not here in this
>filthy semen-stained homo haven.
So what are you doing here anyway? Back into the kitchen with you! Are
you also barefoot and pregnant?
>> I am VERY disappointed, ma'am.
>
>I'm sure God feels the same way about you. One day God will catch up
>with you, and the sparks, I assure you, will fly!
Put back the sparkling candles, girl.
>Hoping you'll repent before that happens,
Yeah, yeah, I repent, the penitent man will pass, in Latin Jehovah
begins with an "I", the only way to get across the ravine is to take a
Leap of Faith... your lines are as stale as the crumbs left over from
Christ's breaking of his loaves.
curtsybear
> You may have "heard," especially if like many semi-literate people you
> read aloud all the time, but it's obvious the Truth isn't penetrating
> your darkened mind. You need to pray for guidance.
OR get one of those neat appliance bulbs, like go in the fridge or the
oven, so that every time your mind is opened, it goes on (and I suppose
that you instantly get a supremely great idea, because having a lit bulb
above your head while you were puzzled about something would violate
too many natural laws), right?
> Then why not simply admit you're plagued by doubts,
We've been plagued by frogs and locusts, but we haven't received the
plague-of-doubts yet. Perhaps you should try recasting the spell.
You must've mispronounced one of the demons' names.
> or that you can't
> tell Truth from falsehood any more, instead of making false
> accusations against the People of God?
I'm sorry. Was someone accusing you of intelligence, tolerance, or
logical thought?
> I am not Ima. That filthy
> name "she" uses is synonymous with "homosexual," or did that detail
> escape you like so many others?
Perhaps she is trying to "reclaim" the word, like your First Universal
Christian Kingdom ditty.
> That's right. You still don't seem to believe our Holy Church exists.
> I suppose you haven't bothered to call our Hotline to Heaven yet to
> hear live testimony of the Power of God.
I kept getting Mme. Cleo. Do you think it is a phone company conspiracy?
> Ridicule is your favorite sport, isn't it?
I'll give you ONE guess as to MY favorite sport, toots.
> God will punish you for not taking my preaching seriously.
Do you think we should all write "Beelzedette rulez" on the chalkboard
a thousand times to attone?
> That's obvious. I'm sorry you haven't found anything more
> constructive to do with your time. Allow me to remind you that sloth
> is still a sin.
Albeit a very slow way to sin. We prefer something more efficient.
> It's disingenuous of you if it isn't. I wonder what else you're lying
> to everyone here about.
Is she telling them you are intelligent, tolerant, or capable of logical
thought?
> It only took five minutes.
Quit whining. Your husband could only hold his breath and squinch his
eyes shut and ignore your bleating bibletracts for that long.
> That's not genuine Ebonics, and that's not the way Sister Keesha talks
> or writes. She's my sister because she's younger than I am.
Therefore, my sister is my mother, since she's older than I. Or does
that make me HER sister?
> I personally would have preferred to introduce a loftier subject into
> the discussion, but some people obviously never progress beyond their
> personal childhood toilet training issues.
Yeah. Either that or they have delusions about people in the bushes
across the street.
> I called back and asked for a money-back guarantee. Our Holy
> Church is NOTHING like that.
We're sure you've NEVER given ANYTHING back.
> As if you would know, of thou of NO faith whatsoever! If you believe
> in something, even if it's a false god, why are you so ashamed to
> discuss it? Do you bow down before graven images and chant spells in
> Japanese?
Pig latin, just like Jesus did!
> My work is in my kitchen, my bedroom, and my nursery, not here in this
> filthy semen-stained homo haven.
Given the stories about normie when he was interred with you, I'm certain
that the term "filthy semen-stained homo haven" fits your house quite
nicely.
> I'm sure God feels the same way about you. One day God will catch up
> with you, and the sparks, I assure you, will fly!
Especially if he has a steely will and he catches up with Larry Flynt,
n'est pas?
--
Curtis at Sieber dot Com
"What is intriguing about 'Ulterior Motive' is its author's background as,
first, a collaborator with behaviorist B.F. Skinner on chimpanzee-language
research, and, then, the inventor of the Start Button and Taskbar for
the computer program Windows 95." -- The New York Times, Christopher
Lehmann-Haupt, reviewing a book, but inadvertently tying together so
many loose ends about the origin of that damned start button!
Bernard Hubbard
news:94b6d5f1.03022...@posting.google.com:
> "Light Templar" <I...@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
> news:<x106a.1595$cD5.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>> Yep, same person.
>
> No, we are not the same person. Grandmother Holiness typically
> preaches in the parenting newsgroups. She's a mother of seven
> now, and as much far more authoritative on the subject of
> parenting than I am.
>
>> Most recently she was sister sunshine,
>
> No, and most people recognized that Sister Sunshine was relatively
> young in the faith and needed practice before preaching to a bunch
> of degenerates like you.
>
>> and before that Rev. Norman, and on and on and on.
>
> Please! Norman was a hypocrite who used this group to make sexual
> contacts with guilt-ridden homosexuals so they could enact
> blasphemous sex rituals in the Roman Catholic Organization. He
> was and still is one sick puppy. He's also dying of AIDS.
>
>> Person is either a good satirist, or a lunatic of the first
>> order!
>
> I am neither. I am a True and Full Gospel preacher who wants to
> see sinners saved, redeemed, and transformed into saints. My
> success rate is phenomenal, but it takes a lot out of my to preach
> to perverts. Soon I'm going to concentrate solely on lesbians.
Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? Naughty girl, Bernie
Babe. First you started to preach to the whole world, then you
decreased your audience to the *gay* world and now you are to limit
yourself to lesbians only. What's the matter mommy? Have you only
enough concentration to concentrate on lesbians? What is the reason
for your decrease in concentration? Did you donate some of your
concentration to Camp Diamond Hymen so that it could be a genuine
*concentration* camp? Hahahahaha.
> Recently an old girlfriend of mine from my sinful past came out
> here to New Sodom and threw herself at my mercy. I cleansed and
> healed her and now she is a Christian. She's still a babe in the
> Lord's arms, and we have to be careful to keep her away from all
> the devil-possessed lesbians who want to drag her back down in to
> Cesspool of Sappho. I'm sure we'll have no trouble keeping Satan
> away from her.
>
>
> Praying for you,
>
> Mother Bernadette Strange
> True Christian Faith Healer
>
--
Bernard Hubbard
Australian, a Green small *L* liberal and gay.
Proud to be all three.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius
has and knows its limits." --Unknown
The greatest undeveloped territory in the world lies under your hat.
Mother Bernadette Strange
Is "noone" supposed to be "no one" or "noon"? It's incorrect either
way.
Marie C. Bennett <do....@email.com> wrote in message news:<mgon5vsfspn0h8eru...@4ax.com>...
> *I* need to pray?
Definitely! Every day, as a matter of fact. I already pray without
ceasing, as the Holy Bible tells me I must. How many years has it
been since you opened your cold heart to God's Loving Warmth?
> Even if you hate it, there's a nice German saying which applies in your case: > Herr, lass Hirn vom Himmel fallen!
I have already been blessed with brains, thank you. You're the one
who said you "heard" what I wrote, nicht wahr? Doesn't that suggest
that you were reading my sermons aloud? Do you read them to your
husband, who used to be so handsome that you think he would have made
an impression on me as a five-year-old? What an active (not to
mention filthy) fantasy life you have!
> 1) You're not a person of God.
I certainly am! How dare you slander me! Since you're a stranger to
the Lord, how can you possibly know who His best friends are? I
assure you I'm one of them.
> 2) I am completely able to distinguish truth from falsehood,
Then prove it.
> and I recognize you and your church to be not the truth, but a scam.
How is it a scam? Are you sure you know what that word means?
> This analysis is the result of a crystal-clear mind,
Whose crystal-clear mind did you consult to lead you to that
conclusion? Dr. Phil's?
> something people like you hate and need to resort to call it the work
> of "Satan",
Doubt is indeed the work of Satan. God blesses those who believe
without questioning. Or slandering His People and their work.
> that multi-purpose wonder who you can blame for everything that sucessfully [2]
Sucessfully? Is that supposed to be German? It's certainly not
proper English.
> disproves your ridiculous claims.
Which of my claims is ridiculous? And on what grounds do you make
your idiotic assumptions about me and me Holy Church? You probably
don't even believe in miracles.
> 3) I am not in doubt, I am absolutely certain, beyond doubt, that you
> are a scam. [3]
Now I am a scam? You truly don't know what that word means. That
figures.
> Ha! What do you say now, hm?
I say what I've always said. You're wrong, and your mind is under
Satan's control. You need to be exorcised. Please let me send you
some miracle douche.
> "Ima C*ckhound" is a play on words which means "I am a C*ckhound"
And just what kind of "hound" is that, pray tell? That's a code name
for homosexual!
> disguised as a name, just as the name of your "church", the First
> Universal
First Universal Christian Kingdom.
> blah blah blah hides the phrase "f*ck wet c*nt", in case you haven't noticed.
Only the heathen reduce our Holy Church's beautiful name to an obscene
acronym.
> These cheap jokes identify you, no matter how many times you change your name > or your posting server.
I changed my name when I got married, and I have never changed my
posting server. Believe all the rubbish you want to, Marie. As I've
said, I can no longer reach your darkened mind. You're beyond help.
You may be beyond all hope as well, so taken in by Satan's crafty
tissue of lies are you. On Judgment Day you will find out that
although I do know Father and Mother Hickey and their children and
various other members (and ex-members) of our Most Holy Church, I am
in no way connected with this C*ckhound creature, as he or she
explained to you directly. A lot of the other people you group
together are also not connected, as you assume, and other members of
our Church have posted here without your being able to recognize them.
Give thanks to God that in this country you can believe even lies and
filth if you want to. It doesn't help you one bit, but you have every
right to swallow any rotten piece of trash thatcan be served on a
saucer.
> No, I haven't. What's the number? Or is too "sacred" for you to tell
> me?
You'll have to find it for yourself, but that shouldn't take much
effort on your part.
> Ooooh, I am trembling ;-P
You will be soon enough.
> Permission denied.
I have spoken the Truth, whether you're ready to accept it or not. I
certainly don't need your permission to do that.
> Well, guess!
I don't really care all that much. You admitted outright and
unequivocally that you lie. You remember that.
> >> No, you is operatin' under tha false delusion, as your Mother Keesha
> >> would say.
> You wouldn't know genuine Ebonics if it bit you in the butt. Ninure
> already identified Keesha's "ebonics" as fake.
As if "Ninure" would know! What are her credentials anyway? She's
even more deluded than you! She believes that sick, demented
homosexuals can circumvent the Word of God and become Christians. Is
she ever in for a big surprise come Judgment Day! I can't wait to see
the look on her face when God gives her thumbs down for all eternity!
And have you ever bothered to examine her writing style? Pure
garbage. Let me give you a few pointers, which you can verify in any
textbook on Ebonics. First, "you is..." is archaic. You've listened
to "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby, Baby?" too many times. No one
speaks like that any more. Second, "tha" would not equate with "the."
You'd either spell it out correctly or follow the normal Ebonic
pronunciation, which is "da" in most dialects. Here in New Sodom our
Black mayor, who is a Godless adulterer, wears a cap that identifies
him as "Da Mayor." That's genuine Ebonics. Also, if you're going to
simplify the vowel sound in "the" (to "da"), you must do the same to
"under," which then becomes "unda" or (if emphasized) "undah." Note
that Sister Keesha rarely uses unconventional spellings like that.
She uses authentic Ebonic syntax and verbal constructions. "False
delusion" is redundant and is not likely to be used by educated
speakers of High Church Ebonics. The street language is different.
Maybe that's what you're trying to imitate, and if so you're doing a
rotten job. Why am I not surprised? Remember who's the linguist
around here.
> That's putting it VERY mildly.
I see no need to exaggerate.
> She never did that. She called me "bent", a "hag", claimed I molested
> my neighbors' children and wanted me to look at her "precious".
Now you're exaggerating, misconstruing the sincere, though blunt,
words of a Child of God, and taking them completely out of context.
Anyway, she's been punished for using saucy language in her preaching.
She was exposed to that kind of gutter language when and where she
grew up. It can take years for us to iron out all the kinks in an
ex-sinner's character. That's probably why she took to you so
quickly. Birds of a feather, you know. I don't see that you did
anything to discourage her. Truly virtuous people would rise about
such behavior.
> She is not a person who tried to help me. She's a rude brat who has
> accomplished nothing in this newsgroup. She even came up with a
> ridiculous story about AIDS coming from another planet.
Oh, but that's true. The AIDS virus comes from a distant galaxy.
Where do you think it came from? Where has it been hiding since God
created the earth six thousand years ago? Do you think it evolved
from smegma? What a laugh! Be that as it may, Sister Sunshine tried
to help you find the Way to Salvation. She's just starting out
herself, and often stumbles along the way to this day. You never
hesitated once to kick her when she was down, did you? Are you proud
of all the nasty things you wrote to her? Weren't they "crude"? I
suggest you look that word up in a good dictionary before answering.
You tend to have a problem with definitions, I've noticed.
> Unlike yours!? It was only last week that you wanted me to give you my
> bank account number! Not even the sleaziest pig preacher on television
> was as openly greedy as you! Shame on you!
I merely offered you the opinion of making contributions to our Holy
Church by letting us do the deductions automatically. I didn't ask
you directly for a handout. Are you comparing me to "the sleaziest
pig preacher on TV" now? Is that your definition of urbane and
sophisticated language?
> How about posting YOUR bank account number, so people can send you
> money that way?
I don't have a bank account number.
> Yes. What a happy day it was [when I lost my faith].
You won't think so when you stand before God's Great White Throne!
> Again, you're giving the homos far too much credit. You don't need a
> homosexual to add one and one together.
No, I certainly don't, but you seem to need a whole pigpen full of
them to justify your insipid suppositions.
> She'll better have [4]
She'll better have? You urgently need to acquire a good English
grammar and study it.
> changed her attitude, [5]
That comma might be correct in German, but it isn't in English.
> otherwise she's in for some "intense" lessons on [5 1/2]
Why "on" and not "in"?
> civility and courtesy, mind you!
What would you know of civility and courtesy -- even remotely? Is
that what you showed her when she was here before? Whom are you
trying to kid? I keep forgetting how foggy your mind is, a veritable
Niflheim, I'd say. I'll continue to pray for you, my dear, but I
think you need to start praying for yourself. Don't you miss your
former relationship with God? The devil is only fooling you to drag
you down into hell. Trust me.
> No. "Young" means younger than 20.
So now you want to rob the cradle? Maybe you'd go for Sister
Sunshine's little brother. We've just about got him straightened out
now.
> Too bad I didn't bother to maintain a scorecard to show your terrible
> record here, so I'll have to let you slide by on this one...
My record is not terrible, here or anywhere else. I make very few
mistakes. Look at how many words I write, and how uplifting and
inspiring my prose is.
> "of thou of no faith"? This coming from the woman, or man, or thing, [6 1/2]
I am a woman. How coarse and vulgar of you to call me a thing! I
think that should count as a grammatical error.
> whatever, who dares to [7 1/2]
There's a problem with your rhetorical usage here. Although both are
grammatically correct, "dare [obsess]" and "dare to [obsess]" have
slightly different meanings. Are you sure you're ready to learn
Japanese? You haven't done very well with English so far.
> obsess about other people's "bad" spelling and grammar, when she herself is
> FULL OF IT!
I hardly call typing but one superfluous letter ("of" instead of "O")
bad spelling and grammar. With two young children to take care of, I
simply haven't the time to spend on trifles. I get in here, preach
the Gospel, and get back to my loving family as quickly as possible.
> Like [8 1/2]
Like? That's a preposition, not the conjunction this sentence
demands.
> you once said, I don't cast my pearls before swine.
You could discuss them without "casting" them. I'm sure they're faux
pearls anyway. Please yourself. I'm sure that's why you have a
vibrating Happy Fun Ball.
> No, my Japanese isn't good enough for that.
You could recite them directly from Japanese grimoires. Sister
Sunshine is studying Korean now anyway. Many Koreans are Christians,
and at the Korean market two blocks away they give her free apples and
ice cream when she practices Korean phrases with them.
> I wanted Sunshine to practice with me,
And she tried, but as usual you rudely snubbed her.
> but she instead tried to fool me with a complicated sentence that even two
> native speakers of Japanese I asked couldn't understand.
I don't think she was trying to "fool" you. She simply took a book
off the shelf -- a Japanese translation of "Breakfast at Tiffany's,"
it turns out -- and transcribed the first few lines for you. I think
that was very nice of her. Why don't you? That's how she learns
languages, from reading translations. She was only trying to help you
yet again, and as always you bit her head off in return. How callous
of you! The old Japanese lush down on the corner had no trouble
understanding those simple phrases. What rung of society do your "two
native speaker" friends come from anyway?
> So what are you doing here anyway? Back into the kitchen with you! Are
> you also barefoot and pregnant?
I am pregnant again -- thank God -- but not barefoot, at least at the
moment. It is February and the kitchen floor is chilly. When it's
warm, however, I walk around barefoot at home. Why shouldn't I? My
feet are clean and pure.
> Put back the sparkling candles, girl.
I don't use them. Are you trying to tell me you're not satisfied with
your vibrating Happy Fun Ball after all? Why did you buy it then?
> Yeah, yeah, I repent, the penitent man will pass, in Latin Jehovah
> begins with an "I", the only way to get across the ravine is to take a
> Leap of Faith... your lines are as stale as the crumbs left over from
> Christ's breaking of his loaves.
They are timeless Truths. I'm sorry that bothers you so much. I
suggest you get over it and really repent. Jesus is standing by, but
soon He will close the Gates of Heaven against you and all the other
unrepentant riffraff out there. You don't have to join a money-hungry
Church to be close to Jesus. Why can't you sue "The 700 Club" for
diverting your funds against your will? Prayer partners are supposed
to have a say in how their contributions are spent, unless you
foolishly handed over your money without reading the fine print first.
I take it you know very little about law (either).
I'm still here to help you, Marie,
But you must acknowledge your many shortcomings and want to be helped
first,
Ever prayerfully,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Totally Compassionate Ex-Lesbian
(February 25, 2003: Marie made 8 1/2 spelling, grammatical, and/or
stylistic errors in a single post of roughly 650 words. If it's a
scorecard you want, madam, I'm game. But no longer "gay.")
Marie C. Bennett
Strange) wrote:
>> Even if you hate it, there's a nice German saying which applies in your case: > Herr, lass Hirn vom Himmel fallen!
>
>I have already been blessed with brains, thank you. You're the one
>who said you "heard" what I wrote, nicht wahr?
You have a problem recognizing colloquial expressions. Start listening
to real people, for a change. Martin Luther once demanded "dem Volk
auf's Maul schauen".
>Doesn't that suggest
>that you were reading my sermons aloud? Do you read them to your
>husband, who used to be so handsome that you think he would have made
>an impression on me as a five-year-old?
My husband has no time for nonsense like this discussion with you. As
for his handsomeness, you are taking my statement out of context. I
was saying that if you met him the time *I* met him, you wouldn't have
become a lesbian. That meant 'when you were my age', not necessarily
the same year.
>> 1) You're not a person of God.
>
>I certainly am! How dare you slander me! Since you're a stranger to
>the Lord, how can you possibly know who His best friends are? I
>assure you I'm one of them.
I'm afraid I need a LITTLE more than your "assurances", dear.
>> 2) I am completely able to distinguish truth from falsehood,
>
>Then prove it.
You've got some nerve! Giving me your worthless assurances, yet
demanding proof from me!
>> and I recognize you and your church to be not the truth, but a scam.
>
>How is it a scam? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Indeed I do. Your church is fraudulent and deceptive.
>> This analysis is the result of a crystal-clear mind,
>
>Whose crystal-clear mind did you consult to lead you to that
>conclusion? Dr. Phil's?
No, it's mine, silly.
>> something people like you hate and need to resort to call it the work
>> of "Satan",
>
>Doubt is indeed the work of Satan. God blesses those who believe
>without questioning.
How convenient. Typical sectarian babble --- you must "believe without
questioning", otherwise you'd recognize the scam (the fraudulent and
deceptive act) for what it is.
>Or slandering His People and their work.
Speaking the truth is not slander, even when it hurts.
>> that multi-purpose wonder who you can blame for everything that sucessfully [2]
>
>Sucessfully? Is that supposed to be German? It's certainly not
>proper English.
It's just missing a "c". "Successfully". "successful in disproving
your ridiculous claims". That's a typo, nothing more.
>> disproves your ridiculous claims.
>
>Which of my claims is ridiculous? And on what grounds do you make
>your idiotic assumptions about me and me Holy Church? You probably
>don't even believe in miracles.
Indeed I don't. Michael Jackson however does. And you know how sick he
is.
>> 3) I am not in doubt, I am absolutely certain, beyond doubt, that you
>> are a scam. [3]
>
>Now I am a scam? You truly don't know what that word means. That
>figures.
You are fraudulent and deceptive. But you can replace the "a" with a
"u" if you like; this results in a more accurate description of you
and your ilk.
>I say what I've always said. You're wrong, and your mind is under
>Satan's control. You need to be exorcised. Please let me send you
>some miracle douche.
If you want to. Send one right over.
>> "Ima C*ckhound" is a play on words which means "I am a C*ckhound"
>
>And just what kind of "hound" is that, pray tell? That's a code name
>for homosexual!
If you say so.
>> disguised as a name, just as the name of your "church", the First
>> Universal
>
>First Universal Christian Kingdom.
Short: F*ck.
>> blah blah blah hides the phrase "f*ck wet c*nt", in case you haven't noticed.
>
>Only the heathen reduce our Holy Church's beautiful name to an obscene
>acronym.
You should have paid more attention when choosing a name for your
church. It is common to abbreviate names to save time and space; by
choosing a name that spells an obscenity when abbreviated, you have
made YOURSELF guilty, not me.
>I changed my name when I got married, and I have never changed my
>posting server. Believe all the rubbish you want to, Marie. As I've
>said, I can no longer reach your darkened mind. You're beyond help.
>You may be beyond all hope as well, so taken in by Satan's crafty
>tissue of lies are you.
You're a one-trick Pony, Berni --- always blaming Satan when you're
out of ideas.
>> No, I haven't. What's the number? Or is too "sacred" for you to tell
>> me?
>
>You'll have to find it for yourself, but that shouldn't take much
>effort on your part.
Why not post it right here? Is it possibly because it DOESN'T EXIST?
>> Well, guess!
>
>I don't really care all that much. You admitted outright and
>unequivocally that you lie. You remember that.
Maybe I only lied when I said I lie, and consequently do not lie
otherwise.
>> You wouldn't know genuine Ebonics if it bit you in the butt. Ninure
>> already identified Keesha's "ebonics" as fake.
>
>As if "Ninure" would know! What are her credentials anyway?
She's black.
>She's
>even more deluded than you! She believes that sick, demented
>homosexuals can circumvent the Word of God and become Christians. Is
>she ever in for a big surprise come Judgment Day! I can't wait to see
>the look on her face when God gives her thumbs down for all eternity!
>And have you ever bothered to examine her writing style? Pure
>garbage. Let me give you a few pointers, which you can verify in any
>textbook on Ebonics. First, "you is..." is archaic. You've listened
>to "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby, Baby?" too many times. No one
>speaks like that any more. Second, "tha" would not equate with "the."
> You'd either spell it out correctly or follow the normal Ebonic
>pronunciation, which is "da" in most dialects. Here in New Sodom our
>Black mayor, who is a Godless adulterer, wears a cap that identifies
>him as "Da Mayor." That's genuine Ebonics. Also, if you're going to
>simplify the vowel sound in "the" (to "da"), you must do the same to
>"under," which then becomes "unda" or (if emphasized) "undah." Note
>that Sister Keesha rarely uses unconventional spellings like that.
>She uses authentic Ebonic syntax and verbal constructions. "False
>delusion" is redundant and is not likely to be used by educated
>speakers of High Church Ebonics. The street language is different.
>Maybe that's what you're trying to imitate, and if so you're doing a
>rotten job. Why am I not surprised? Remember who's the linguist
>around here.
I'll concede that I was uncertain about the "tha". "You is operatin'
under the false delusion" however was common expression in the '40s.
You can hear it, for example, in an MGM cartoon from 1940 called
"Swing Social". It explains why the bass, I mean the Black Bass, don't
bite on Sundays...
>> She never did that. She called me "bent", a "hag", claimed I molested
>> my neighbors' children and wanted me to look at her "precious".
>
>Now you're exaggerating, misconstruing the sincere, though blunt,
>words of a Child of God, and taking them completely out of context.
>Anyway, she's been punished for using saucy language in her preaching.
> She was exposed to that kind of gutter language when and where she
>grew up. It can take years for us to iron out all the kinks in an
>ex-sinner's character. That's probably why she took to you so
>quickly. Birds of a feather, you know. I don't see that you did
>anything to discourage her. Truly virtuous people would rise about
>such behavior.
What, even though she accused me of molesting children? Unjustly
accusing someone of a crime is an offense, too, a terrible one.
>Are you proud
>of all the nasty things you wrote to her? Weren't they "crude"? I
>suggest you look that word up in a good dictionary before answering.
>You tend to have a problem with definitions, I've noticed.
You tend to have a problem with pride. You exaggerate when talking
about others making mistakes (sometimes even unjustly accusing someone
of incorrect spelling and/or grammar), while downplaying your own.
That's a typical sign of a person who has too much pride.
>> Unlike yours!? It was only last week that you wanted me to give you my
>> bank account number! Not even the sleaziest pig preacher on television
>> was as openly greedy as you! Shame on you!
>
>I merely offered you the opinion of making contributions to our Holy
>Church by letting us do the deductions automatically.
That sentence is not intelligible. How is making contributions an
"opinion"? Did you mean the "option" of making contributions? And
you're telling me to look up words. Ha! Get yourself a dictionary,
girlie!
>I didn't ask
>you directly for a handout. Are you comparing me to "the sleaziest
>pig preacher on TV" now?
No, you're sleazier. No TV preacher I've seen gave graphic
descriptions of homosexual acts the way you did. You're the bottom of
the barrel among preachers.
>> How about posting YOUR bank account number, so people can send you
>> money that way?
>
>I don't have a bank account number.
So how are you going to get any money from my bank account when you
don't have an account of your own?
>> Yes. What a happy day it was [when I lost my faith].
>
>You won't think so when you stand before God's Great White Throne!
Why is it white?
>She'll better have? You urgently need to acquire a good English
>grammar and study it.
It's "colloquial usage".
>> changed her attitude, [5]
>
>That comma might be correct in German, but it isn't in English.
"Otherwise" is usually preceded by a comma or a full stop.
>> otherwise she's in for some "intense" lessons on [5 1/2]
>
>Why "on" and not "in"?
Both "on" and "in" are correct in this case, Mrs. Pseudo-Linguist.
"in" is just more common.
>> No. "Young" means younger than 20.
>
>So now you want to rob the cradle? Maybe you'd go for Sister
>Sunshine's little brother. We've just about got him straightened out
>now.
Yes, send him to us instead of naughty Sunshine, Jesus' little "H-Bomb
of Truth".
>> Too bad I didn't bother to maintain a scorecard to show your terrible
>> record here, so I'll have to let you slide by on this one...
>
>My record is not terrible, here or anywhere else. I make very few
>mistakes.
And you accuse others, like me, of making mistakes, even in cases when
there aren't any. You've done this several times already in this very
post.
>> "of thou of no faith"? This coming from the woman, or man, or thing, [6 1/2]
>
>I am a woman. How coarse and vulgar of you to call me a thing! I
>think that should count as a grammatical error.
It's not. Now you're even losing your authority as a linguist. Looks
like you're a complete failure in every department.
>> whatever, who dares to [7 1/2]
>
>There's a problem with your rhetorical usage here. Although both are
>grammatically correct, "dare [obsess]" and "dare to [obsess]" have
>slightly different meanings. Are you sure you're ready to learn
>Japanese? You haven't done very well with English so far.
As if you would know! But actually my German is now better than my
English, even though English is my native tongue. It's common that
people who have studied a foreign language for a long time speak it
better than their native language, and often even better than the
native speakers of the foreign language, probably because foreign
languages are learned systematically, while the native tongue is
acquired by repeating what your parents say.
>> Like [8 1/2]
>
>Like? That's a preposition, not the conjunction this sentence
>demands.
Again, it's a very common colloquialism. Do you ever go outside?
>Please yourself. I'm sure that's why you have a
>vibrating Happy Fun Ball.
There is no such thing.
>That's how she learns
>languages, from reading translations.
My Japanese teacher, the honorable Nobuyuki Yamanaka PhD, says reading
Japanese translations of foreign books is a bad way to learn Japanese,
because those translations use artificial language that native
speakers often don't even understand. For example, the word "kanojo"
didn't exist before Western novels were translated into Japanese; it
was specifically created to make it easier for those translators. Same
case with "tokoro da", like in "Berni ga soto ni deru tokoro desu".
>> Put back the sparkling candles, girl.
>
>I don't use them. Are you trying to tell me you're not satisfied with
>your vibrating Happy Fun Ball after all? Why did you buy it then?
There is no such thing as a "happy fun ball". It's just a play on
words.
>Why can't you sue "The 700 Club" for
>diverting your funds against your will? Prayer partners are supposed
>to have a say in how their contributions are spent, unless you
>foolishly handed over your money without reading the fine print first.
> I take it you know very little about law (either).
We did talk to a lawyer, but he said there's no chance of getting the
money back.
>I'm still here to help you, Marie,
>But you must acknowledge your many shortcomings and want to be helped
>first,
I acknowlege those shortcomings that I really have. But I will not
tolerate you *falsely* accusing me of making mistakes.
>(February 25, 2003: Marie made 8 1/2 spelling, grammatical, and/or
>stylistic errors in a single post of roughly 650 words. If it's a
>scorecard you want, madam, I'm game.
And several of these supposed errors were none. Who taught you in
linguistics? Better go ask for a refund.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? Naughty girl, Bernie
> Babe.
My name is Bernadette, and I am in no way naughty. If you want to
discuss something naughty, tell us what you and Dave do in bed. Can
you still perform at your advanced age? You know he cheats on you
with younger men after you doze off. No homosexual can resist such
temptation.
> First you started to preach to the whole world, then you
> decreased your audience to the *gay* world and now you are to limit
> yourself to lesbians only.
That's right. The decision was God's. Since I was a sick and twisted
lesbian once, it's easier for me to reach other lesbians. I'm
beginning to see how violent their relationships typically are, and
that disturbs me. Tell me, does Dave ever beat up on you?
> What's the matter mommy? Have you only enough concentration to concentrate
> on lesbians?
I can lead more filthy lesbians to a saving and cleansing knowledge of
Jesus Christ than I can you totally reprobate male homosexuals.
> What is the reason for your decrease in concentration?
I'm not decreasing my concentration. I'm merely changing the focus.
Lesbians are more responsive to my preaching than homosexual men. Too
many of them are Roman Catholics.
> Did you donate some of your concentration to Camp Diamond Hymen so that it
> could be a genuine *concentration* camp? Hahahahaha.
You shouldn't make jokes about such things. There are plenty of
people in the world who want to put homosexuals into concentration
camps. Once our President conquers Iraq, your lot could be next. We
heard on the news today that he plans to occupy Iraq. I believe he
should simply give the whole country to Israel.
Praying for you always,
Mother Bernadette Strange
There are Jews with the last name Siebert. Are you one of them? Or
are you an uncircumcised heathen pig?
> OR get one of those neat appliance bulbs, like go in the fridge or the
> oven, so that every time your mind is opened, it goes on (and I suppose
> that you instantly get a supremely great idea, because having a lit bulb
> above your head while you were puzzled about something would violate
> too many natural laws), right?
The radiance of my Divine Light of Wisdom makes any such fixture
completely unnecessary.
> We've been plagued by frogs and locusts, but we haven't received the
> plague-of-doubts yet. Perhaps you should try recasting the spell.
> You must've mispronounced one of the demons' names.
I am no longer a witch and have no further dealings with the devil.
Can you say the same? If you doubt my Gospel preaching, you're
plagued by doubts.
> I'm sorry. Was someone accusing you of intelligence, tolerance, or
> logical thought?
Two out of three.
> Perhaps she is trying to "reclaim" the word, like your First Universal
> Christian Kingdom ditty.
Perhaps, but I am not connected with "her" in any way. Marie is so
gullible. If she fell for "The 700 Club," she'll fall for anything.
> I kept getting Mme. Cleo.
Miss Cleo -- note the correct name -- has been terminated.
> Do you think it is a phone company conspiracy?
It's more like another filthy homosexual lie.
> I'll give you ONE guess as to MY favorite sport, toots.
You mean rimming, don't you?
> Do you think we should all write "Beelzedette rulez" on the chalkboard
> a thousand times to attone?
There is only one t in "atone," and you'll have to do far more than
write nonsense on a chalkboard to make up for all your sins. Tell me,
Sissybear, do you felch?
> Albeit a very slow way to sin. We prefer something more efficient.
Remember that Marie is old enough to remember the 1940's. She doesn't
get around as well as she used to, so she resorts to sloth.
> Is she telling them you are intelligent, tolerant, or capable of logical
> thought?
That all depends on whether she's taken her medicine. When she's
thinking clearly, she testifies to my honor.
> Quit whining. Your husband could only hold his breath and squinch
Is that a word?
> his eyes shut and ignore your bleating bibletracts for that long.
Stop fantasizing about Rufus. It took me five minutes to review the
vicious verbal abuse Marie directed against poor Sister Sunshine. It
curled my hair it was so vulgar!
> Therefore, my sister is my mother, since she's older than I. Or does
> that make me HER sister?
Down in 'Bama, anything's possible. If you don't know yourself, I
certainly can't tell you.
> Yeah. Either that or they have delusions about people in the bushes
> across the street.
Come to New Sodom and see for yourself. You know you're just dying to
join in all the hoopla down there. Bring some of your famous pond
scum while you're at it.
> We're sure you've NEVER given ANYTHING back.
No one has ever asked. The point is that we never divert
contributions to any shady enterprises.
> Pig latin, just like Jesus did!
Our Lord spoke the Holy Aramaic tongue.
> Given the stories about normie when he was interred with you, I'm certain
> that the term "filthy semen-stained homo haven" fits your house quite
> nicely.
When Norman was staying here, we kept him on a leash. When I was
married to him, he did his sinning outside our otherwise happy home.
I know what sodomy smells like, and I would have known right away if
he was doing it where we lived.
> Especially if he has a steely will and he catches up with Larry Flynt,
> n'est pas?
Do you mean "n'est-ce pas"? You failed French, didn't you? I suppose
you were eager to move on to Greek. God will soon fry Larry Flynt
too, unless he repents.
Praying for you,
Mother Bernadette
True Christian Ex-Lesbian
curtsybear
> are you an uncircumcised heathen pig?
I've got an aunt who used to be a Siebert. Funny that all she had to do
after the marriage was to lop off one letter from her name. Being that
she doesn't have a foreskin to lop off for you, do you think this would
have sufficed?
Do you think I can still be a heathen pig, even if I'm circumcised?
> The radiance of my Divine Light of Wisdom makes any such fixture
> completely unnecessary.
Is it incandescent, halogen, or florescent?
> I am no longer a witch and have no further dealings with the devil.
I said demon, not devil. Even YOU should understand the difference there.
> Can you say the same? If you doubt my Gospel preaching, you're
> plagued by doubts.
Still sorry, but the plague-of-doubts must be lost in the mail, then.
Well, it IS "mail count" around here where the mail gets held back by the
USPS managers because otherwise the counts would be too high and they'd
have to pay piecework rates which are way too realistic to the unionized
letter carriers. Is it "mail count" over there in New Sodom as well,
or is your Callyfornia mail still so slow that you'd never notice the
difference anyway?
>> I'm sorry. Was someone accusing you of intelligence, tolerance, or
>> logical thought?
> Two out of three.
I'll go ahead and guess that you aren't applying for the international
award for tolerance? Ever heard of that Jesus guy? He seemed like a
pretty tolerant sort, at times. Except around those giggling fig bushes.
> Perhaps, but I am not connected with "her" in any way. Marie is so
> gullible. If she fell for "The 700 Club," she'll fall for anything.
I've never really listened to them much. What happened to the first
699 clubs?
>> I kept getting Mme. Cleo.
> Miss Cleo -- note the correct name -- has been terminated.
I thought part of her schtick was claiming to be acadian, like the rest
of the voodoo priestesses in the Big Easy (how do *I* get a nifty title
like THAT?), so I was instilling a bit of off-the-cuff frenchy-ness,
so don't go getting in a snit over it.
>> Do you think it is a phone company conspiracy?
> It's more like another filthy homosexual lie.
You think she's a homosexual? Or that only homosexuals use the phones?
Do wireless phones "broadcast" the gayness? Is that a new way of
converting the general population -- with our powerful homosexual
cell-tower-radiated brain-controlling waves?
>> I'll give you ONE guess as to MY favorite sport, toots.
> You mean rimming, don't you?
Bad guess. Think big heavy balls.
> There is only one t in "atone," and you'll have to do far more than
> write nonsense on a chalkboard to make up for all your sins. Tell me,
> Sissybear, do you felch?
Not since I broke my loop-de-loop crazy-straw. Tell me, do you have
visions?
> Remember that Marie is old enough to remember the 1940's. She doesn't
> get around as well as she used to, so she resorts to sloth.
I've been to beach resorts and ski resorts and a wholebuncha other
resorts, but I've never even heard of a sloth resort. That's ok, though.
Sounds a bit boring for my tastes.
> That all depends on whether she's taken her medicine. When she's
> thinking clearly, she testifies to my honor.
Now *that* sounds like nothing short of wishful thinking. Marie?
Is she telling the *truth*? Have you been testifying to "her honor"?
Tell me it ain't so!
>> Quit whining. Your husband could only hold his breath and squinch
> Is that a word?
Yes, it is an acceptable alteration of squint, but a bit more burlesque,
which fit the scene better.
>> his eyes shut and ignore your bleating bibletracts for that long.
> Stop fantasizing about Rufus.
I will if you will. *I* didn't say anything necessarily sexual. *You*
read all that into it.
> It took me five minutes to review the
> vicious verbal abuse Marie directed against poor Sister Sunshine. It
> curled my hair it was so vulgar!
Do you think I should pass this along to my hairdresser? She spends an
awful lot of people's money on skunky chemicals to curl their hair, and
I'm sure she'd be raking in the moolah hand-over-fist if she could do it
with but a few well-turned phrases. She might even give me a free waxing!
>> Therefore, my sister is my mother, since she's older than I. Or does
>> that make me HER sister?
> Down in 'Bama, anything's possible. If you don't know yourself, I
> certainly can't tell you.
Couldn't you ask up the chain and get some angelic and divine guidance
as to whether my sister is allowed to be older than I am, or whether I'm
her sister instead? This could really help out the next birthday, when
I'm rummaging through the Hallmarks. I need to know if I should get the
"happy birthday sis" one or the "from your sister, on your birthday" card.
Never mind. I'll just get her the one with the naked guy and the smarmy
titty joke. I aim to please no matter WHAT.
> Come to New Sodom and see for yourself. You know you're just dying to
> join in all the hoopla down there. Bring some of your famous pond
> scum while you're at it.
Have you been cursing my pond? I've lost two fish in the past few months.
Admittedly, they'd grown to the size of small dogs, but still...
Do you think the fish are possessed? They tend to kill quite a few birds
in the neighborhood, although I've never caught any of them "in the act".
>> We're sure you've NEVER given ANYTHING back.
> No one has ever asked. The point is that we never divert
> contributions to any shady enterprises.
No one has ever asked for a handout? What? Do you all wear
industrial-duty ear plugs at your church and double-pirate eyepatches
so that you don't have to hear and cannot see the poor people which you
SHOULD be helping?
Come to think of it, if *I* were to attend your church, I might also
take advantage of those gobstopper-earplugs, given the caterwauling
which sistah moonshine is certainly on about...
>> Pig latin, just like Jesus did!
> Our Lord spoke the Holy Aramaic tongue.
Forked, no doubt, or else how do you account for all the different
translations and misdirections?
>> Given the stories about normie when he was interred with you, I'm certain
>> that the term "filthy semen-stained homo haven" fits your house quite
>> nicely.
> When Norman was staying here, we kept him on a leash.
You kept him in a cage, toots. And he got out and was calling out to try
to find the delusional schtuppers in your bushes, as well as running more
porn through your computer than you could shake ten or fifteen sticks at.
Remember?
> When I was
> married to him, he did his sinning outside our otherwise happy home.
What was so happy about it? You seem to never have a single nice word
for him these days. Are you getting forgetful, or just dishonest about
his past with you?
> I know what sodomy smells like, and I would have known right away if
> he was doing it where we lived.
If it is done right, it should smell a bit like the burnt offerings which
that silly diety of yours used to require. You sure that he wasn't just
"worshipping" in a more old-testament fashion?
>> Especially if he has a steely will and he catches up with Larry Flynt,
>> n'est pas?
> Do you mean "n'est-ce pas"? You failed French, didn't you?
It's a wonderfull language which I've not had reason to use for aeons.
And I don't have big grammar-stick crammed up my butt.
> I suppose
> you were eager to move on to Greek.
With an El Salvadoran accent!
> God will soon fry Larry Flynt
> too, unless he repents.
He already crippled him. What more do you want, you sadist!
No One
Mann <E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2003 17:10:00 +1100, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bernard
> Hubbard <bern...@iprimus.com> wrote:
>
> >Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? <snip>
>
> <snip> Your queer attempt at humor is
> about as funny as a turd in a punch bowl (excepting at a homo function
> where such would be cause for great rejoicing, frivolity and revelry.)
I can imagine great rejoicing, frivolity, and reverlry if they were
watching you drink said punch ;-).
Mother Bernadette Strange
> I've got an aunt who used to be a Siebert. Funny that all she had to do
> after the marriage was to lop off one letter from her name. Being that
> she doesn't have a foreskin to lop off for you, do you think this would
> have sufficed?
For a man, no. Holy Circumcision is indispensable.
> Do you think I can still be a heathen pig, even if I'm circumcised?
Very easily.
> Is it incandescent, halogen, or florescent?
Don't you mean "fluorescent"? My inner glow is none of these things.
It comes from knowing Jesus. If you would only forsake your wicked
ways you could know this Inner Light for yourself.
> I said demon, not devil. Even YOU should understand the difference there.
The devil is the prince of demons. I no longer have dealings with any
type of evil spirit.
> Still sorry, but the plague-of-doubts must be lost in the mail, then.
> Well, it IS "mail count" around here where the mail gets held back by the
> USPS managers because otherwise the counts would be too high and they'd
> have to pay piecework rates which are way too realistic to the unionized
> letter carriers. Is it "mail count" over there in New Sodom as well,
> or is your Callyfornia mail still so slow that you'd never notice the
> difference anyway?
Only when it comes from 'Bama.
> I'll go ahead and guess that you aren't applying for the international
> award for tolerance? Ever heard of that Jesus guy? He seemed like a
> pretty tolerant sort, at times. Except around those giggling fig bushes.
Do you mean the cursed fig trees? He didn't trifle with mere bushes.
He taught us to "love one another," not "tolerate" one another.
That's why we don't believe in tolerance. It's condescending. We
embrace everyone with love. We just squeeze sinners a little harder
to show them the error of their ways.
> I've never really listened to them much. What happened to the first
> 699 clubs?
The name isn't "The 700th Club," but "The 700 Club." I'm not sure
because unlike Marie I was never a member, but I believe that has
something to do with their physical address in Virginia Beach.
> I thought part of her schtick was claiming to be acadian,
You mean a Cajun? I thought she claimed to be from Jamaica. As far
as I know she was really born down in Lost Angeles and made a career
out of lying. She'll get hers.
> like the rest of the voodoo priestesses in the Big Easy (how do *I* get a
> nifty title like THAT?),
Big Easy? Eat more marshmallows. That'll make you bigger. The easy
part you've probably got down pat already. It goes with the
territory.
> so I was instilling a bit of off-the-cuff frenchy-ness, so don't go getting
> in a snit over it.
I'm not getting into a snit. I'm here to help everyone with all their
shortcomings. The French equivalent of "Miss" is "Mademoiselle."
> You think she's a homosexual?
No, but you are, and I think you're lying about calling her. The
Psychic Readers Nitwit-work no longer employs her, and she never
worked the phones anyway.
> Or that only homosexuals use the phones?
That depends on what you mean by "use."
> Do wireless phones "broadcast" the gayness? Is that a new way of
> converting the general population -- with our powerful homosexual
> cell-tower-radiated brain-controlling waves?
I'm sure it's been attempted. When a man carries a tiny pink cell
phone, you know something's up.
> Bad guess. Think big heavy balls.
Fuzzy ones? Or more like medicine balls?
> Not since I broke my loop-de-loop crazy-straw. Tell me, do you have
> visions?
Only when God so ordains. Most homosexuals don't use a straw to
felch. They just dig right in. Don't tell me you don't watch those
hard-core barebacking and ultra-unsafe-sex videos they produce down in
Palm Springs for the extensive homosexual smut market. They show all
those filthy things in living color.
> I've been to beach resorts and ski resorts and a wholebuncha other
> resorts, but I've never even heard of a sloth resort. That's ok, though.
> Sounds a bit boring for my tastes.
If God doesn't strike you down before you're forty, you might resort
to a little sloth yourself.
> Now *that* sounds like nothing short of wishful thinking. Marie?
> Is she telling the *truth*? Have you been testifying to "her honor"?
> Tell me it ain't so!
She welcomed me back to the group. She has an acid tongue but at
least she derives something out of reading (and responding to)
virtually all my posts. Some people get bitter as they age,
especially if they're cut off from God and His forgiving love.
> Yes, it is an acceptable alteration of squint, but a bit more burlesque,
> which fit the scene better.
I don't think so.
> I will if you will.
He's my husband, not yours.
> *I* didn't say anything necessarily sexual.
Nor did I.
> *You* read all that into it.
Not all fantasies are sexual, at least among heterosexuals.
> Do you think I should pass this along to my hairdresser? She spends an
> awful lot of people's money on skunky chemicals to curl their hair, and
> I'm sure she'd be raking in the moolah hand-over-fist if she could do it
> with but a few well-turned phrases. She might even give me a free waxing!
And just what do you have waxed? Anyway, have her read some of
Marie's filthy language to her clients. It's bound to work on at
least a few.
> Couldn't you ask up the chain and get some angelic and divine guidance
> as to whether my sister is allowed to be older than I am, or whether I'm
> her sister instead?
In the normal course of events, you are her brother forever. If an
older contemporary were to be given a place of honor in the Church,
you could call him "father" (or her "mother"), but you wouldn't be
required to.
> This could really help out the next birthday, when I'm rummaging through the > Hallmarks. I need to know if I should get the "happy birthday sis" one or
> the "from your sister, on your birthday" card.
If you're a drag queen, the latter might do.
> Never mind. I'll just get her the one with the naked guy and the smarmy
> t*tty joke. I aim to please no matter WHAT.
I hope you know that stuff is pornography! Is this naked guy at least
circumcised?
> Have you been cursing my pond? I've lost two fish in the past few months.
> Admittedly, they'd grown to the size of small dogs, but still...
No, I wouldn't curse a pond. If you were sinking in one, however, I
might decide I don't have the strength to pull you out of it.
> Do you think the fish are possessed? They tend to kill quite a few birds
> in the neighborhood, although I've never caught any of them "in the act".
Your fish could be. What do you do with them? Are you into
gerbil-stuffing?
> No one has ever asked for a handout? What? Do you all wear
> industrial-duty ear plugs at your church and double-pirate eyepatches
> so that you don't have to hear and cannot see the poor people which you
> SHOULD be helping?
We do help the poor. None of our contributors has asked for a
contribution back. We always offer help to the downtrodden, unless
they're illegal immigrants. In that case we help them get home and
stay there.
> Come to think of it, if *I* were to attend your church, I might also
> take advantage of those gobstopper-earplugs, given the caterwauling
> which sistah moonshine is certainly on about...
She doesn't caterwaul. She has a beautiful voice.
> Forked, no doubt, or else how do you account for all the different
> translations and misdirections?
The devil tries to twist His Holy Words around, just as you like to
twist mine.
> You kept him in a cage, toots.
Only when he misbehaved.
> And he got out and was calling out to try to find the delusional scht*ppers
They're what you call feygelehs. And they're not "delusional."
> in your bushes,
They're not exactly my bushes. They're in a park across the street.
The bushes are dying from all the virally infected semen that's
ejaculated onto the ground near them.
> as well as running more porn through your computer than you could shake ten
> or fifteen sticks at. Remember?
Yes, but we put a stop to that quickly. He could still howl at the
homos in the bushes when he was in his cage if we didn't gag his
mouth. He knew the language of the werewolves, whom most homosexuals
call "bears."
> What was so happy about it?
I was serving God in it.
> You seem to never have a single nice word for him these days.
I still see him three times a week and take him home-made cupcakes and
cookies to eat. I don't hate him, but I can't condone his sin.
Whenever I see him, I preach to him. He still refuses to repent, even
though he says he can now remember dying and being in hell.
> Are you getting forgetful, or just dishonest about his past with you?
I am never dishonest about anything. He was on a leash more often
that he was in a cage. Sister Sunshine was in the cage most of the
time.
> If it is done right, it should smell a bit like the burnt offerings which
> that silly diety
The word is "Deity" and God Almighty is NEVER silly!
> of yours used to require. You sure that he wasn't just "worshipping" in a
> more old-testament fashion?
There was no such smell in our home, so yes, I'm sure.
> It's a wonderfull
Full?
> language which I've not had reason to use for aeons.
But you used it only yesterday, n'est-ce pas?
> And I don't have big grammar-stick crammed up my butt.
Is there any room there for such things anyway, I mean with all the
other things you've had up there lately?
> With an El Salvadoran accent!
Ugh! The Salvadorans are uncircumcised!
> He already crippled him. What more do you want, you sadist!
That was a warning shot. Hell is much worse than anything he's
experienced on earth.
Praying for all sinners,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Who Cleans Scummy Ponds with Clorox!
Jeff North
<E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:03:23 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>| Not likely boy. I don't attend parties of those who subculture accepts
>| such high risk people as bug chasers and bare backers as normal
>| everyday folks. That's the environment where you'll find the turd in
>| the punch bowl and every fecal fiend homo fighting to get it in his
>| cup. It's the nature of homosexual and homosexuality. Admit it and get
>| on with your "life?"
Admit what? Your cross dressing and other sexual fantasies?
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curtsybear
Hearing you rant about the indispensibility of circumcision is about
as realistic as hearing fat, pasty-white men rant about the immorality
of abortions. I guess as long as YOU don't have to endure the results,
then almost ANYTHING could be considered acceptable.
>> Do you think I can still be a heathen pig, even if I'm circumcised?
> Very easily.
Do you think that circumcising a pig would suffice to make it kosher?
Or would the juxtaposition of a circumcision and the hamhocks cause a
spacetime rift through which demons could pass?
> Don't you mean "fluorescent"?
Do I *sound* cockney?
> My inner glow is none of these things.
> It comes from knowing Jesus. If you would only forsake your wicked
> ways you could know this Inner Light for yourself.
If it is an inner light, does that mean your tummy glows like ET's did?
Cool.
> The devil is the prince of demons. I no longer have dealings with any
> type of evil spirit.
The devil is a fallen angel. Tell me, what good are angels if they are
so corruptable? Are ALL the demons fallen angels, or are they creations
of the one fallen angel? Could they rise, just as he fell? Could a
"risen demon" become a "prince of angels", just as a "fallen angel"
became this "prince of demons"?
Do you think that your god could have done something to avoid causing an
angel to fall? What was he doing which caused an angel so much heartache?
Would it be a sin if *I* did the same things? Isn't it a sin to make
angels' hearts ache?
>> Is it "mail count" over there in New Sodom as well,
>> or is your Callyfornia mail still so slow that you'd never notice the
>> difference anyway?
> Only when it comes from 'Bama.
Why? Don't go thinking that all the child porn in the mail comes
*from* HERE.
> Do you mean the cursed fig trees? He didn't trifle with mere bushes.
Yeah, those giggling fig bushes. I've gotten mad at stumps when I trip
over them and I've gotten mad at roots when they flonk-up the wheels
on the lawnmower. Do you think I should promote myself to berating
trees for not having fruit in the offseason? Would this engorge my
"holy quotient" by following such a "christian" example of behavior?
> He taught us to "love one another," not "tolerate" one another.
You've learned how to love but not tolerate? Married life must be a
scream with you: "I love you but I cannot stand you, you sick and vile
and despicable little cuddly-bear!" Shades of Sybil?
> That's why we don't believe in tolerance. It's condescending. We
> embrace everyone with love. We just squeeze sinners a little harder
> to show them the error of their ways.
So, logically, Charmin is sin-free, since you're not allowed to squeeze it?
> The name isn't "The 700th Club," but "The 700 Club." I'm not sure
> because unlike Marie I was never a member, but I believe that has
> something to do with their physical address in Virginia Beach.
And you have a branch of your F*CK-ish church there too, right? Perhaps
you could ask *them* what the whole deal is. Maybe it is Masonic, since
I'm always hearing about funny sigils and numerology when I hear about
THOSE cults...
>> I thought part of her schtick was claiming to be acadian,
> You mean a Cajun?
They're acadians, as far as I know.
> I thought she claimed to be from Jamaica.
Jamaica sounds nice. Do you think our next cruise should include it?
> As far
> as I know she was really born down in Lost Angeles and made a career
> out of lying. She'll get hers.
I know of quite a few people who would find those last few statements
from you to be the HEIGHT of irony.
> Big Easy? Eat more marshmallows. That'll make you bigger.
Your cuisine tips stink. Couldn't you at LEAST suggest that I stuff
myself with shellfish? That way I could be engorging myself while
enraging the god-of-kosherness.
> The easy
> part you've probably got down pat already. It goes with the
> territory.
You mean Alabama is "easy" territory? What possible adjective would
apply to *your* state, if Alabama is considered "easy"?
> I'm not getting into a snit. I'm here to help everyone with all their
> shortcomings. The French equivalent of "Miss" is "Mademoiselle."
And Mme. Cleo is much too old to be called "Mademoiselle", no matter
what her marital or virginal status might be.
>> You think she's a homosexual?
> No, but you are, and I think you're lying about calling her.
But I heard that all calls to your trunk had been hacked to reroute
to her. Either that, or I was just saying it to introduce her sham
organization into the conversation, given that your F*CK-church and her
F*CKED-psychics have so much in common.
> The
> Psychic Readers Nitwit-work no longer employs her, and she never
> worked the phones anyway.
Smart lady, though, given the scam she pulled -- almost legally, no?
>> Or that only homosexuals use the phones?
> That depends on what you mean by "use."
The new camera phones, if used right, can be a perfect tool for cheap
and easy wireless-colonoscopy. You should try them, to help you hunt
down all those evil demons which hide up in there.
Make sure you lock the phone, using a password, into a call to an
"external phone" first, though, because if one of those demons gets his
claws on the dialing buttons, the first thing he'll do is call Malasia.
I think they are having a Durian convention there and it reminds the
demons of their rectal homes. Do you know the internal-organ roaming
PLUS international rates on a cell phone? They're way up there!
> I'm sure it's been attempted. When a man carries a tiny pink cell
> phone, you know something's up.
Do you think that the color pink should be reserved for women? If so,
don't you think that caucasian men should stop breathing, as their pink
skin surely makes them ALL gay! I guess the blue color would please you,
until the rot sets in and the grey comes to the fore...
>> Bad guess. Think big heavy balls.
> Fuzzy ones? Or more like medicine balls?
More like medicine balls, only even heavier. Add in the necessity of
swilling beer and staring at everyone's butts.
> Only when God so ordains. Most homosexuals don't use a straw to
> felch. They just dig right in.
That's not polite. You should *always* ASK FIRST. And the crazy-straws
are standard equipment, but the porn videos which you use for "research"
refuse to pay the royalties to the crazy-straw industry, so they've
convinced you that such apparatuses are not necessary.
> Don't tell me you don't watch those
> hard-core barebacking and ultra-unsafe-sex videos they produce down in
> Palm Springs for the extensive homosexual smut market. They show all
> those filthy things in living color.
I prefer the film-noir versions in a grainy sepia. It makes it feel
like watching home movies from a really raunchy century passed long ago.
> If God doesn't strike you down before you're forty, you might resort
> to a little sloth yourself.
Could you describe how we should perform this sloth-y stuff? The official
gaydom handbook doesn't reference it and my hubby is turning 40 in but
a few months. I'd hate for him to be caught unawares, casting about for
some slothy festival, only to find out that he was merely being lazy...
> She welcomed me back to the group. She has an acid tongue but at
> least she derives something out of reading (and responding to)
> virtually all my posts. Some people get bitter as they age,
> especially if they're cut off from God and His forgiving love.
Whereas some people become bitter instantly, if they aren't?
>> Yes, it is an acceptable alteration of squint, but a bit more burlesque,
>> which fit the scene better.
> I don't think so.
Your sex life surely fits that description of "burlesque", what with
the grunting and heaving breaths intermingled with your biblical phrases
spat out between howls. At least that's how I've understood it when
you've talked about it in the past...
> He's my husband, not yours.
Be assured, my greatful self is appreciative of your sacrifice in
this matter.
>> *I* didn't say anything necessarily sexual.
> Nor did I.
Yeah, well *I* didn't say it FIRST. Nyah Nyah <stick out tongue>!
>> *You* read all that into it.
> Not all fantasies are sexual, at least among heterosexuals.
Y'all dream about flannel sheets too?
> And just what do you have waxed?
Eyelashes. In patterns. It's the newest thing.
> Anyway, have her read some of
> Marie's filthy language to her clients. It's bound to work on at
> least a few.
I'll pass along the hints. Perhaps you could get her riled up again so
there's more source material?
> In the normal course of events, you are her brother forever. If an
> older contemporary were to be given a place of honor in the Church,
> you could call him "father" (or her "mother"), but you wouldn't be
> required to.
Good. It's much more fun to call him "El pope de la doofusity" (or her
"Mother Skankperior"). Thanks for approving of alternate titles.
> If you're a drag queen, the latter might do.
If I'm a drag queen, I'd just grab the "everything I know about beauty
I learned from you / that and how to keep the falsies from falling off
when wresting in the back seat of a Pinto" card. Hallmark really *does*
have a card for EVERY type of message!
> I hope you know that stuff is pornography! Is this naked guy at least
> circumcised?
If not, I can use pinking shears on the photo, if that's necessary...
> No, I wouldn't curse a pond. If you were sinking in one, however, I
> might decide I don't have the strength to pull you out of it.
And if I saw you on the shore, I'd certainly think twice about the
necessity of returning to dry land...
>> Do you think the fish are possessed? They tend to kill quite a few birds
>> in the neighborhood, although I've never caught any of them "in the act".
> Your fish could be. What do you do with them? Are you into
> gerbil-stuffing?
I've stuffed everythin from cornish hens to big old turkeys. Perhaps
y'all in that "New Sodom" place are a bit more hard-up for vittles?
> We do help the poor. None of our contributors has asked for a
> contribution back. We always offer help to the downtrodden, unless
> they're illegal immigrants. In that case we help them get home and
> stay there.
And after they leave, I'm sure that the stories of you and your
congregation pretty much drop the illegal immigration flow from that
hometown to nothing. Thanks for the border support, toots!
> She doesn't caterwaul. She has a beautiful voice.
Then it is just her typing that is so snarled and tuneless? In person
she can be withstood?
> The devil tries to twist His Holy Words around, just as you like to
> twist mine.
I love it when someone gives MINE a good twist! See how alike we are!
> They're what you call feygelehs. And they're not "delusional."
They're not what *I* call "feygelehs". Well, maybe a few...
> They're not exactly my bushes. They're in a park across the street.
> The bushes are dying from all the virally infected semen that's
> ejaculated onto the ground near them.
Headline: "AIDS spreads to shrubbery, tree doctors stumped!"
> Yes, but we put a stop to that quickly. He could still howl at the
> homos in the bushes when he was in his cage if we didn't gag his
> mouth. He knew the language of the werewolves, whom most homosexuals
> call "bears."
And which we call "speaking in tongues". Or "bathing in tongues".
Or something like that...
>> What was so happy about it?
> I was serving God in it.
You were serving by driving him back to his homosexual trysts and making
him into a zombie? Are you SURE you and "miss" Cleo aren't BOTH on some
sort of Santeria jag?
> I still see him three times a week and take him home-made cupcakes and
> cookies to eat. I don't hate him, but I can't condone his sin.
But you encourage gluttony?
> Whenever I see him, I preach to him. He still refuses to repent, even
> though he says he can now remember dying and being in hell.
It's good he remembers you. How sweet.
> I am never dishonest about anything. He was on a leash more often
> that he was in a cage. Sister Sunshine was in the cage most of the
> time.
Were they ever in the cage together? You should've sold tickets!
> The word is "Deity" and God Almighty is NEVER silly!
Then explain that whole "I'm going to make Adam have sexual needs and
only give him horses and cows to play with" stunt?
> There was no such smell in our home, so yes, I'm sure.
I hear Airwick now has a "pleasing burnt calf" scent available. Do you
think I should use the spraycan or the plug-in?
>> It's a wonderfull
> Full?
Either Satan caused my keys to bounce, or there's something under them
gumming up the works!
>> language which I've not had reason to use for aeons.
> But you used it only yesterday, n'est-ce pas?
I use French regularly, but the language has languished on a back shelf...
>> And I don't have big grammar-stick crammed up my butt.
> Is there any room there for such things anyway, I mean with all the
> other things you've had up there lately?
Are you offering to help next time I do inventory?
> Ugh! The Salvadorans are uncircumcised!
And CUTE!
>> He already crippled him. What more do you want, you sadist!
> That was a warning shot. Hell is much worse than anything he's
> experienced on earth.
But there's the benefit of getting away from all the Ubermoral
hyperbusybodies, no?
> Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
> True Christian Who Cleans Scummy Ponds with Clorox!
We use a blue acidic dye, which cuts off the appropriate light spectrum
and keeps the scum down. We spilled it on a few friends one day, but
they're doing fine now as a performing troupe in Vegas.
L. Michael Roberts
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:04:38 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Jeff
> North <jnor...@xxbigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:37:40 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Ehrlicher Mann
>><E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:03:23 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>>>| no...@nospam.pacbell.net (No One) wrote:
>>>|
>>>| >In article <1bfab79b46f3569c...@news.teranews.com>, Ehrlicher
>>>| >Mann <E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>>>| >
>>>| >> On 26 Feb 2003 17:10:00 +1100, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bernard
>>>| >> Hubbard <bern...@iprimus.com> wrote:
>>>| >>
>>>| >> >Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? <snip>
>>>| >>
>>>| >> <snip> Your queer attempt at humor is
>>>| >> about as funny as a turd in a punch bowl (excepting at a homo function
>>>| >> where such would be cause for great rejoicing, frivolity and revelry.)
>>>| >
>>>| >I can imagine great rejoicing, frivolity, and reverlry if they were
>>>| >watching you drink said punch ;-).
>>>|
>>>| Not likely boy. I don't attend parties of those who subculture accepts
>>>| such high risk people as bug chasers and bare backers as normal
>>>| everyday folks. That's the environment where you'll find the turd in
>>>| the punch bowl and every fecal fiend homo fighting to get it in his
>>>| cup. It's the nature of homosexual and homosexuality. Admit it and get
>>>| on with your "life?"
>>
>>Admit what? Your cross dressing and other sexual fantasies?
<snip>
> I have no time to waste on people
> who have no redeeming factors, no honor, no morals, no character. Who
> forge other people's post and then deny that they did it -- people who
> are total losers*
Oh... you mean people like yourself...
<snip>
Jeff North
<E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:04:38 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Jeff
>| North <jnor...@xxbigpond.com.au> wrote:
>|
>| >On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:37:40 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Ehrlicher Mann
>| ><E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>| >
>| >>| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:03:23 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>| >>| no...@nospam.pacbell.net (No One) wrote:
>| >>|
>| >>| >In article <1bfab79b46f3569c...@news.teranews.com>, Ehrlicher
>| >>| >Mann <E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
>| >>| >
>| >>| >> On 26 Feb 2003 17:10:00 +1100, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bernard
>| >>| >> Hubbard <bern...@iprimus.com> wrote:
>| >>| >>
>| >>| >> >Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? <snip>
>| >>| >>
>| >>| >> <snip> Your queer attempt at humor is
>| >>| >> about as funny as a turd in a punch bowl (excepting at a homo function
>| >>| >> where such would be cause for great rejoicing, frivolity and revelry.)
>| >>| >
>| >>| >I can imagine great rejoicing, frivolity, and reverlry if they were
>| >>| >watching you drink said punch ;-).
>| >>|
>| >>| Not likely boy. I don't attend parties of those who subculture accepts
>| >>| such high risk people as bug chasers and bare backers as normal
>| >>| everyday folks. That's the environment where you'll find the turd in
>| >>| the punch bowl and every fecal fiend homo fighting to get it in his
>| >>| cup. It's the nature of homosexual and homosexuality. Admit it and get
>| >>| on with your "life?"
>| >
>| >Admit what? Your cross dressing and other sexual fantasies?
>|
>| I will ask you once more, Do me the favor of not making anymore of
>| your 3rd rate response to my posts.
Then stop posting like a first grader.
>| I have no time to waste on people
>| who have no redeeming factors, no honor, no morals, no character. Who
>| forge other people's post and then deny that they did it -- people who
>| are total losers*
[snip a whole lotta drivel]
No One
Mann <E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:03:23 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> no...@nospam.pacbell.net (No One) wrote:
>
> Not likely boy. <snip>
Don't be so sure. As Winston Churchill once said, "no one who is
squeamish should watch laws or sausage being made." You'd be
surprised at what gets in the food you eat.
John J. Petry
"Ehrlicher Mann" <E.M...@pov.org> wrote in message
news:ab31ff992cf5ff45...@news.teranews.com...
>
>
> >> I have no time to waste on people
> >> who have no redeeming factors, no honor, no morals, no character. Who
> >> forge other people's post and then deny that they did it -- people who
> >> are total losers*
>
>
>
> > Oh... you mean people like yourself...
>
> an excuse for existence from a subculture of the sexually perverted.
>
>
Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Hearing you rant about the indispensibility of circumcision is about
> as realistic as hearing fat, pasty-white men rant about the immorality
> of abortions. I guess as long as YOU don't have to endure the results,
> then almost ANYTHING could be considered acceptable.
Don't you think it's better to be circumcised than to be plagued with
a smelly foreskin and all that sickening smegma that collects beneath
it? Uncircumcised men have to clean their cheesy foreskins out at
least five times a day, and they still rarely get every chunk.
> Do you think that circumcising a pig would suffice to make it kosher?
Absolutely not. It's not the foreskin that makes any animal unclean.
> Or would the juxtaposition of a circumcision and the hamhocks cause a
> spacetime rift through which demons could pass?
I wouldn't dare tempt fate like that.
> Do I *sound* cockney?
C*ck-crazy perhaps. Otherwise, how would I know? Anyway, the proper
spelling on both sides of the Atlantic is "fluorescent." The word has
nothing to do with flowers (the Latin root "flor-") but rather with
"fluor," an older name for calcium fluoride. The word was coined
outright in 1546 from the German "Flüsse," which is related to the
English words "flux" and "flow."
> If it is an inner light, does that mean your tummy glows like ET's did?
> Cool.
My whole body glows, actually, but it's most prominent in my face.
Couldn't you tell from my Church publicity photo?
> The devil is a fallen angel. Tell me, what good are angels if they are
> so corruptable?
There's no a in "corruptible." Angels were created with free will
just like humans. Satan managed to tempt a great number of them to
rebel against God, whereupon they were cast down into the Pit.
> Are ALL the demons fallen angels, or are they creations of the one fallen
> angel?
All demons proper are fallen angels, but some authorities say that
Adam's first wife Lilith, who refused to adopt the Sacred Missionary
Position, coupled with demons and gave birth to incubi and succubi.
> Could they rise, just as he fell?
Not back into God's Grace. Many are allowed to roam the earth and
tempt mortals.
> Could a "risen demon" become a "prince of angels", just as a "fallen angel"
> became this "prince of demons"?
Not at this point in time. Satan is very jealous of his position.
Demons can score points with Satan and be granted special privileges
by corrupting souls. When I was a sick Satanic lesbian I recruited
women into the Rites of Sappho to win valuable booby prizes from my
covenmistress Countess Clitoria. This is how the devil operates.
> Do you think that your god
My God is the One True Lord!
> could have done something to avoid causing an angel to fall?
He didn't cause any angels to fall. The rebellious angels tried to
soar above His Throne and He cast them down as though they were gnats.
They could have chosen to serve instead of rebel.
> What was he doing which caused an angel so much heartache?
They envied his Power and Glory, and they paid. Hahahaha!
> Would it be a sin if *I* did the same things?
Yes.
> Isn't it a sin to make angels' hearts ache?
Are you speaking of fallen angels? You're supposed to thwart their
every attempt to drag you down the drain with them.
> Why? Don't go thinking that all the child porn in the mail comes
> *from* HERE.
They did close a huge kiddie porn outlet in Birmingham a few years
ago, you know. Do you have love bugs down there? They do in
Louisiana.
> Yeah, those giggling fig bushes. I've gotten mad at stumps when I trip
> over them and I've gotten mad at roots when they flonk-up the wheels
> on the lawnmower. Do you think I should promote myself to berating
> trees for not having fruit in the offseason?
No. You're not Jesus. You must pray to God for guidance in
understanding the Higher Meaning of that story.
> Would this engorge my "holy quotient" by following such a "christian" example > of behavior?
Not in and of itself. And it won't help you at all if you're still a
homosexual.
> You've learned how to love but not tolerate? Married life must be a
> scream with you: "I love you but I cannot stand you, you sick and vile
> and despicable little cuddly-bear!" Shades of Sybil?
No. Love is greater than tolerance. You typically tolerate people
you don't like very much.
> So, logically, Charmin is sin-free, since you're not allowed to squeeze it?
Don't be silly. Squeezing a roll of toilet paper accomplishes very
little. Squeezing a sinner does, especially if you use an iron maiden
or a pile of heave stones to squeeze the demons out.
> And you have a branch of your F*CK-ish church there too, right?
Yes, but we don't mix in with them.
> Perhaps you could ask *them* what the whole deal is. Maybe it is Masonic,
> since I'm always hearing about funny sigils and numerology when I hear about
> THOSE cults...
Freemasonry is certainly a cult. True Christians have nothing to do
with it.
> They're acadians, as far as I know.
That term is somewhat out of date. Miss Cleo -- whose real name is
Youree Harris -- is not a Cajun as far as I know.
> Jamaica sounds nice. Do you think our next cruise should include it?
That all depends on what you're looking for. It's a poor, backward
country.
> I know of quite a few people who would find those last few statements
> from you to be the HEIGHT of irony.
Why's that?
> Your cuisine tips stink. Couldn't you at LEAST suggest that I stuff
> myself with shellfish?
They're unclean!
> That way I could be engorging myself while enraging the god-of-kosherness.
The word is "kashruth," not "kosher-ness." You already kindle the
Wrath of Almighty God by carrying on carnally with men. Why add to
your burden?
> You mean Alabama is "easy" territory? What possible adjective would
> apply to *your* state, if Alabama is considered "easy"?
California is sun-baked but sin-soaked. I was born in Georgia and
things are much nicer there. Anyway, I didn't mean Alabama exactly.
I meant that you were probably easy already. Most homosexuals will
bed down with virtually any man who appeals to their lustful impulses.
> And Mme. Cleo is much too old to be called "Mademoiselle", no matter
> what her marital or virginal status might be.
She's forty and no virgin, but she isn't married either.
> But I heard that all calls to your trunk had been hacked to reroute
> to her. Either that, or I was just saying it to introduce her sham
> organization into the conversation, given that your F*CK-church and her
> F*CKED-psychics have so much in common.
They have absolutely NOTHING in common. Our Holy Church is the First
Universal Christian Kingdom. It's disrespectful to use acronyms for
such a holy name.
> Smart lady, though, given the scam she pulled -- almost legally, no?
Not at all legally. She was basically just a hired spokesperson, but
she lied about her origins and will answer to God for deceiving so
many gullible people. Marie Bennett is probably one of her biggest
customers. She falls for nonsense like that.
> The new camera phones, if used right, can be a perfect tool for cheap
> and easy wireless-colonoscopy. You should try them, to help you hunt
> down all those evil demons which hide up in there.
We use specially brewed herbal enemas to flush them out.
> Make sure you lock the phone, using a password, into a call to an
> "external phone" first, though, because if one of those demons gets his
> claws on the dialing buttons, the first thing he'll do is call Malasia.
Is that anywhere near Malaysia?
> I think they are having a Durian convention there and it reminds the
> demons of their rectal homes. Do you know the internal-organ roaming
> PLUS international rates on a cell phone? They're way up there!
That's why we stick to proven methods of ridding tormented souls of
evil influences.
> Do you think that the color pink should be reserved for women? If so,
> don't you think that caucasian men should stop breathing, as their pink
> skin surely makes them ALL gay! I guess the blue color would please you,
> until the rot sets in and the grey comes to the fore...
No. I don't think Caucasian people have especially pink skin, unless
they're just getting over a sunburn. I'm talking about hot pink. Or
maybe lavender.
> More like medicine balls, only even heavier. Add in the necessity of
> swilling beer and staring at everyone's butts.
Are you talking about bowling? I used to bowl. When I was a sick
lesbian I used to bowl on an all-dyke team called L's Angels, as a
matter of fact. All the members had an l somewhere in their name.
(My maiden name is Nolan.) There were men's teams who met in the same
bar in Atlanta. One was called the Four Skins and another was the
Lizards of Oz. I gave up bowling when I found Jesus, not that there's
necessarily anything wrong with it if it's done without booze. They
closed all the bowling alleys in New Sodom before I moved here. The
best one they converted into a used CD warehouse, and the other is now
a Kabuki nightclub.
> That's not polite. You should *always* ASK FIRST. And the crazy-straws
> are standard equipment, but the porn videos which you use for "research"
> refuse to pay the royalties to the crazy-straw industry, so they've
> convinced you that such apparatuses are not necessary.
I haven't looked at these filthy movies myself. We have a review
board at Church that does that to determine how evil they are. Down
in the bushes they rarely "ask" before plowing in. If they don't meet
any resistance they just do it.
> I prefer the film-noir versions in a grainy sepia. It makes it feel
> like watching home movies from a really raunchy century passed long ago.
I don't believe they make such things. There is no subtelty at all to
those disgusting pictures.
> Could you describe how we should perform this sloth-y stuff?
No. It comes naturally to sinners.
> The official gaydom handbook doesn't reference it and my hubby is turning 40 > in but a few months.
Are you going to dump him when he does? Turning forty for homosexuals
is like turning eighty for the rest of us. Tell me, is he Salvadoran
and uncircumcised? Why do you call him your "hubby"? Are you two
involved in a mockery of true marriage?
> I'd hate for him to be caught unawares, casting about for some slothy
> festival, only to find out that he was merely being lazy...
Sloth usually involves goofing off and wasting time better spent on
more constructive pursuits, like repenting and soulwinning.
> Whereas some people become bitter instantly, if they aren't?
I wouldn't know about that.
> Your sex life surely fits that description of "burlesque", what with
> the grunting and heaving breaths intermingled with your biblical phrases
> spat out between howls. At least that's how I've understood it when
> you've talked about it in the past...
You shouldn't dwell on such thoughts. My relationship with my husband
is pure bliss. That's all the detail you need concern yourself with.
Once you straighten your life out and find True Love with a decent
woman, you too can know this boundless bliss, but not until.
> Be assured, my greatful
Grateful.
> self is appreciative of your sacrifice in this matter.
Rufus is only thirty-six.
> Yeah, well *I* didn't say it FIRST. Nyah Nyah <stick out tongue>!
I can just imagine where your tongue has been lately! Do you use a
strong mouthwash right after rimming?
> Y'all dream about flannel sheets too?
I don't.
> Eyelashes. In patterns. It's the newest thing.
Strange. I think it's unnatural for a man to have his body hair
removed.
> I'll pass along the hints. Perhaps you could get her riled up again so
> there's more source material?
I share the same Gospel message with everyone. Soon Sister Sunshine
will be back and I'm sure Marie will pounce on her immediately and we
can all see a good catfight between them. I'm sure Marie will use
some of her best "cultivated" language, replete with the usual
obscenities.
> Good. It's much more fun to call him "El pope de la doofusity" (or her
> "Mother Skankperior"). Thanks for approving of alternate titles.
I never said I did.
> If I'm a drag queen, I'd just grab the "everything I know about beauty
> I learned from you / that and how to keep the falsies from falling off
> when wresting in the back seat of a Pinto" card. Hallmark really *does*
> have a card for EVERY type of message!
What rotten poetry! Surely you can do better than that. Don't gender
benders sing "You Make Me Feel Like a Brand New Woman" or something
like that?
> If not, I can use pinking shears on the photo, if that's necessary...
It's indispensable. Remember, smegma can kill you.
> And if I saw you on the shore, I'd certainly think twice about the
> necessity of returning to dry land...
Suit yourself. No, Curtsybear, I harbor you no ill will. In your own
way you're probably a very nice person. It makes me sad to know that
if you don't get rid of that "hubby" of yours and repent you'll spend
all eternity roasting in hell. Wouldn't you rather join our Holy
Church and have a mansion in Heaven? You can have all the ponds you
like up there, scum-free.
> I've stuffed everythin from cornish hens to big old turkeys. Perhaps
> y'all in that "New Sodom" place are a bit more hard-up for vittles?
Victuals. We have plenty of food out here, especially seafood, to
which I'm partial.
> And after they leave, I'm sure that the stories of you and your
> congregation pretty much drop the illegal immigration flow from that
> hometown to nothing. Thanks for the border support, toots!
We do support dumping radioactive waste all along our southern border.
Something has to be done about those interlopers.
> Then it is just her typing that is so snarled and tuneless?
I don't think it is.
> In person she can be withstood?
Most of the time. She throws little tantrums once in a while but we
have effective ways of dealing with that.
> I love it when someone gives MINE a good twist! See how alike we are!
Are you talking about your words or your nipples?
> They're not what *I* call "feygelehs". Well, maybe a few...
Until you've seen them for yourself, don't make assumptions.
> Headline: "AIDS spreads to shrubbery, tree doctors stumped!"
Nothing can flourish under that much gunk.
> And which we call "speaking in tongues". Or "bathing in tongues".
> Or something like that...
He was howling in tongues.
> You were serving by driving him back to his homosexual trysts and making
> him into a zombie? Are you SURE you and "miss" Cleo aren't BOTH on some
> sort of Santeria jag?
I mean when we were married. I took good care of Norman then. I kept
the house spotless. I was never involved with his sick homosexual
activities.
> But you encourage gluttony?
It's good for people dying of AIDS to eat. They give him dope to
smoke at the hospital, and that always gives him the munchies.
> It's good he remembers you. How sweet.
I said he remembers hell. I made his life paradise. It was all that
sodomy that put him in hell, not my special ministrations.
> Were they ever in the cage together? You should've sold tickets!
Never! He would have tried to recruit her into homosexuality. She
used to get into lesbian scenes when she was prostituting herself in
Memphis, and that makes her vulnerable.
> Then explain that whole "I'm going to make Adam have sexual needs and
> only give him horses and cows to play with" stunt?
That will take a little time, but as usual you've oversimplified the
details. Essentially God showed Adam how the animals copulated. None
was found suitable for him, but that doesn't mean he tried having sex
with any of them.
> I hear Airwick now has a "pleasing burnt calf" scent available. Do you
> think I should use the spraycan or the plug-in?
In your home I'm sure I could smell the scent of anuses and spent
semen everywhere. And maybe smegma too, if you're involved with a
Salvadoran.
> Either Satan caused my keys to bounce, or there's something under them
> gumming up the works!
Semen maybe? Do you download porn on your computer?
> I use French regularly, but the language has languished on a back shelf...
I was speaking of the language, not the wicked sexual technique.
> Are you offering to help next time I do inventory?
Only with the cleansing.
> And CUTE!
Some are; some aren't. They tend to be short, slow-witted, and
big-beaked.
> But there's the benefit of getting away from all the Ubermoral
> hyperbusybodies, no?
No, the demons are much worse.
> We use a blue acidic dye, which cuts off the appropriate light spectrum
> and keeps the scum down. We spilled it on a few friends one day, but
> they're doing fine now as a performing troupe in Vegas.
You mean Lost Wages? God will annihilate that city very soon. It's
almost as sinful as New Sodom.
Jesus Loves You, Sissybear,
Won't you repent?
Mother Bernadette
True Christian
Moira de Swardt
Mother Bernadette Strange <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
> curtsybear <Cur...@Sieber.com> wrote in message
> > I've been to beach resorts and ski resorts and a wholebuncha
other
> > resorts, but I've never even heard of a sloth resort. That's
ok, though.
> > Sounds a bit boring for my tastes.
> If God doesn't strike you down before you're forty, you might
resort
> to a little sloth yourself.
A sloth resort sounds delightful right now. I'm so tired, nearly
all the time. I woke up tired this morning, especially when I
thought about everything I have to do. I've bought a new home in a
lovely part of Johannesburg, close to where I grew up and where my
sister lives and moved over last weekend. I'm busy sorting
everything out and cleaning and hanging paintings, and finding
places to store full boxes, or the flattened ones until the person
who lent them to me can collect them.
No laundramat within easy walking distance so handwashing for things
like clothing is the order of the day. I'll have to make a plan for
the bedding and towels.
Sloth. I wish.
I am doing the Emmaus Walk Retreat later this month. The weekend
after International Women's Day on 8 March when all my women friends
have been invited to a reading of "The Vagina Monologues" at my
home. Imagine a whole book of discussions about the vagina and not
a single mention of douching. :-)
Moira, the Faerie Godmother.
Bernard Hubbard
$2...@hades.is.co.za:
Holy Mother Strange Bernadette would not be amused.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's Healing
Work? I'll start a new thread for you today. Sinners seeking
spiritual guidance from the True Church of God (the First Universal
Christian Kingdom of Righteousness And Wisdom) could easily be misled
by all this gutter talk about feces and food. I'm surprised old Marie
Bennett hasn't jumped in with her usual worthless two cents yet.
Praying for all of you,
Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Cleansed Ex-Lesbian
Mother Bernadette Strange
and foodstuffs. I understand how easily homosexuals confuse their
alimentary and excretory functions, but there's no place for such
trash talk in my Holy Church (or on Gospel Threads about it).
Thank you,
Reverend Bernadette Strange
True Christian & Ex-Lesbian
Mother Bernadette Strange
> A sloth resort sounds delightful right now.
"Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer
hunger" (Proverbs 19:15). Having a decent rest after hard work is not
sloth. I'm surprised you haven't learned as much at your age.
> I'm so tired, nearly all the time.
Too many parties and too many pals, no doubt, especially those
hard-drinking homosexuals.
> I woke up tired this morning,
What had you been doing in bed last night?
> especially when I thought about everything I have to do. I've bought a new
> home in a lovely part of Johannesburg,
I take it that means you're no longer as poor as a churchmouse. Real
estate isn't cheap.
> close to where I grew up and where my sister lives and moved over last
> weekend. I'm busy sorting everything out and cleaning and hanging paintings,
Nudes?
> and finding places to store full boxes, or the flattened ones until the person
> who lent them to me can collect them.
Don't you have a car?
> No laundramat within easy walking distance so handwashing for things
> like clothing is the order of the day. I'll have to make a plan for
> the bedding and towels.
Can't you outfit your wonderful new home with a washing machine? Or
are those hard to come by in modern South Africa?
> Sloth. I wish.
Sloth is a sin. Why do you entertain the thought? True Believers can
rest in Heaven.
> I am doing the Emmaus Walk Retreat later this month. The weekend
> after International Women's Day on 8 March when all my women friends
> have been invited to a reading of "The Vagina Monologues" at my
> home. Imagine a whole book of discussions about the vagina and not
> a single mention of douching. :-)
Disgusting! I couldn't live without douching. How can you possib;y
feel clean and fresh inside without it?
> Moira, the Faerie Godmother.
Known by the company she keeps...
Praying for you,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian
Marie C. Bennett
Strange) wrote:
>"John J. Petry" <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<b3pkqd$37f$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>> Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
>
>Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
>rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's Healing
>Work? I'll start a new thread for you today. Sinners seeking
>spiritual guidance from the True Church of God (the First Universal
>Christian Kingdom of Righteousness And Wisdom) could easily be misled
>by all this gutter talk about feces and food.
We all know that these are your favorite tropics, pig-preacher.
>I'm surprised old Marie
>Bennett hasn't jumped in with her usual worthless two cents yet.
No, but I see you have. What's wrong, toots? How come you've stopped
asking everyone if they rim? You know that you are this group's chief
expert on rimming. Say, do you spend more time thinking about rimming
than about the Bible? Be honest, for a change!
Marie C. Bennett
Strange) wrote:
>"John J. Petry" <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<b3pkqd$37f$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>> Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
>
>Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
>rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's Healing
>Work? I'll start a new thread for you today. Sinners seeking
>spiritual guidance from the True Church of God (the First Universal
>Christian Kingdom of Righteousness And Wisdom) could easily be misled
>by all this gutter talk about feces and food.
We all know that these are your favorite topics, pig-preacher.
>I'm surprised old Marie
>Bennett hasn't jumped in with her usual worthless two cents yet.
No, but I see you have. What's wrong, toots? How come you've stopped
asking everyone if he or she likes rimming? You know that you are this
No One
exle...@wowmail.com (Mother Bernadette Strange) wrote:
> "John J. Petry" <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:<b3pkqd$37f$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> > Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
>
> Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
> rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's Healing
> Work?
Neither the comments that John made which you quoted, nor anything else
in the message he posted, even quotes, were scatological. Otherwise,
you just admitted to being a spammer: posting messages for the purpose of
"promoting" some business.
If you want to post advertisements, pick a newsgroup where that is
appropriate.
> Praying for all of you,
>
> Mother Bernadette Strange
> True Christian Cleansed Ex-Lesbian
What you should be praying for is that you don't give ex-lesbians,
if there are any, a bad name. You even make "Dr. Laura" look
reasonable by comparision, and that is quite a trick. One things
for sure - you are no boy scout, and probably not a christian either.
So there - I managed to diss you while being slightly on-topic for
all the groups you crossposted to!
Bernard Hubbard
news:94b6d5f1.03030...@posting.google.com:
Is your Church now advocating barebacking Toots? It would seem that
the Church has changed its name somewhat from *FUCK* to *FUCK WET
CUNT* and finally *FUCK RAW*. Don't you believe in safe sex anymore
mommy? By the way I do approve of Rufus now that I know he is a bit
of a hairy chested marvel. Any chance you could introduce me if
something should happen to David?
Moira de Swardt
wrote in message
> > A sloth resort sounds delightful right now.
> "Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall
suffer
> hunger" (Proverbs 19:15). Having a decent rest after hard work is
not
> sloth. I'm surprised you haven't learned as much at your age.
What one person would regard as hard work another regards as having
a lazy day.
> > I'm so tired, nearly all the time.
> Too many parties and too many pals, no doubt, especially those
> hard-drinking homosexuals.
Possibly. And too many church and charity projects (still). And
taking a while to settle into the new place.
> > I woke up tired this morning,
> What had you been doing in bed last night?
As I was alone and asleep I would have no idea. However, your
ex-husband used to tie people down so that they couldn't touch their
genitals while sleeping. This would have disturbed my sleep even
more.
> > especially when I thought about everything I have to do. I've
bought a new
> > home in a lovely part of Johannesburg,
> I take it that means you're no longer as poor as a churchmouse.
Real
> estate isn't cheap.
Specially in one of Johannesburg's trendiest "pink" districts.
> > close to where I grew up and where my sister lives and moved
over last
> > weekend. I'm busy sorting everything out and cleaning and
hanging paintings,
> Nudes?
Only the one for which I posed.
> > and finding places to store full boxes, or the flattened ones
until the person
> > who lent them to me can collect them.
> Don't you have a car?
My new car is on order. Should be here in the middle of March.
> > No laundramat within easy walking distance so handwashing for
things
> > like clothing is the order of the day. I'll have to make a plan
for
> > the bedding and towels.
> Can't you outfit your wonderful new home with a washing machine?
Or
> are those hard to come by in modern South Africa?
No. They're very easy to access. However, I have a strange quirk.
I don't have anything in my home for which I still have to pay. No
debt except for real estate, and that is investment money. As you
commented, the real estate has been expensive. Luxuries like
appliances will have to wait, as will ripping out this hideous
bathroom and replacing it with a beautiful one!
> > Sloth. I wish.
> Sloth is a sin. Why do you entertain the thought? True Believers
can
> rest in Heaven.
I do plan to go to heaven, but I'm hoping it won't be yet.
> > I am doing the Emmaus Walk Retreat later this month. The
weekend
> > after International Women's Day on 8 March when all my women
friends
> > have been invited to a reading of "The Vagina Monologues" at my
> > home. Imagine a whole book of discussions about the vagina and
not
> > a single mention of douching. :-)
> Disgusting! I couldn't live without douching. How can you
possib;y
> feel clean and fresh inside without it?
Because I don't interfere with the process of natural cleansing
ordained by God so I haven't destroyed all natural means of
elimination. Daily external washing is perfectly adequate for
feminine hygiene.
> Known by the company she keeps...
True.
> Praying for you,
We've been through this one before. Please don't pray for me.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother.
Moira de Swardt
> > Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
> Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
> rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's
Healing
> Work?
What's "scaotological"? And in what context is it used in the
comment above?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Mother Bernadette Strange
> We all know that these are your favorite tropics, pig-preacher.
Tropics? Do you mean the Tropic of Cancer or the Tropic of Capricorn?
It's very vulgar of you to call me a "pig-preacher," Marie. Your
feeble mind must be completely dominated by vulgar images and dirty
thoughts all day and all night. You poor thing!
> No, but I see you have.
I knew you would. You follow me around like a lost puppy. You also
befoul every one of my sermons with your nonsense, the way dogs leave
little presents on the front yard. It's probably too late to toilet
train you, too. A lot of the people in old folks' homes are as
incontinent as you are. Such, I fear, is your future.
> What's wrong, toots?
My name is Bernadette, Marie. Is your memory failing you again today?
Don't they give you pills for that?
> How come you've stopped asking everyone if they rim?
I don't ask everyone about that. On Friday I was discussing felching
with Curtsybear. He admitted he used to do it when he had a curly
straw. Isn't that sickening? Now he says he has a "hubby."
> You know that you are this group's chief expert on rimming.
I've never rimmed anyone or anything, but I have studied the book
"Anal Pleasure and Health" in depth so I can understand homosexual
lust. Norman loves filthy rimming even though it usually gives him
hepatitis-C, and even Rufus tried it a few times when he was a
demented homosexual. More often he preferred to be rimmed because he
was usually the "top."
> Say, do you spend more time thinking about rimming than about the Bible?
Not by a long shot.
> Be honest, for a change!
I am ALWAYS honest, Marie. You're just confused about what Truth is.
Follow this simple rule: if I say it or write it, it's true. Case
closed.
Praying for your darkened mind,
(Let there be Light!)
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian
Mother Bernadette Strange
> Neither the comments that John made which you quoted, nor anything else
> in the message he posted, even quotes, were scatological.
They were talking about bowel movements in punchbowls. This thread is
all about Jesus Christ's Healing Power, not fecal foolishness of that
sort.
> Otherwise, you just admitted to being a spammer: posting messages for the
> purpose of "promoting" some business.
No. Our Holy Church is not a business and I'm not asking for money.
I'm preaching the True and Full Gospel to let sick homosexuals know
that Jesus can heal their unnatural lusts to slurp semen and rim
rectums, among other vile perversions.
> If you want to post advertisements, pick a newsgroup where that is
> appropriate.
I'm not advertising. I'm preaching the Good News! Homosexuals can be
saved from damnation.
> What you should be praying for is that you don't give ex-lesbians,
> if there are any, a bad name.
There are many ex-lesbians, thank God, and I am one of them. We have
a good name in the Book of Life.
> You even make "Dr. Laura" look reasonable by comparision, and that is quite a > trick.
We read her books religiously at our Holy Church.
> One things
Aposotrophe required.
> for sure - you are no boy scout, and probably not a christian either.
I am a True Christian, and my message goes out to boy scouts. They've
been specifically targeted by sick homosexuals for recruitment.
> So there - I managed to diss you while being slightly on-topic for
> all the groups you crossposted to!
I merely responded to a post about treating the spiritual and
psychological illness that is homosexuality. It can profit anyone who
chooses to apply it.
Praying for all of you,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian
Marie C. Bennett
wrote:
> It's very vulgar of you to call me a "pig-preacher," Marie. Your
>feeble mind must be completely dominated by vulgar images and dirty
>thoughts all day and all night. You poor thing!
I am telling nothing but the truth. I already explained to you why you
are the bottom of the barrel among preachers, even when compared to
greedy televangelists.
>> No, but I see you have.
>
>I knew you would. You follow me around like a lost puppy. You also
>befoul every one of my sermons with your nonsense, the way dogs leave
>little presents on the front yard.
"every one"? That is easily disproven; I need just one post of yours
without a reply from me.
>It's probably too late to toilet
>train you, too. A lot of the people in old folks' homes are as
>incontinent as you are. Such, I fear, is your future.
What makes you think I'm "incontinent"? I have never written such a
thing. Either you're extremely deluded, or you're lying.
>> What's wrong, toots?
>
>My name is Bernadette, Marie. Is your memory failing you again today?
> Don't they give you pills for that?
My memory is excellent, and I will remember every single word of yours
when you've cowering in the ground, asking strangers for a fix or if
they could tell you your name.
>> Be honest, for a change!
>
>I am ALWAYS honest, Marie.
Another lie. You are NEVER honest, pig-preacher. That is why you are a
pig-preacher, after all!
>You're just confused about what Truth is.
No, my mind is perfectly clear on that. Truth is the opposite of what
Bernie The Sock says.
>Follow this simple rule: if I say it or write it, it's true. Case
>closed.
That may be your delusion, but EVERYONE here knows that everything you
say or claim is wrong, either because you don't know better, or
because you deliberately spread falsehood. It's that simple, Berni -
you're either dumb, or you're lying. Whenever you write something,
whenever you open your filthy mouth, it's one of those two. Let's face
it: You are worthless. Case closed.
Mother Bernadette Strange
> What's "scaotological"?
I am sorry. I meant "scatological." That's such a disgusting word
that I shuddered as I typed it and wound up misspelling it. I also
misspelled "apostrophe" in a later post. You see, I welcome
constructive criticism, even from heathens, and I always own up to my
mistakes, paltry and insignificant though they are.
> And in what context is it used in the comment above?
The (other) heathens were using a thread about my Holy Church and its
special Healing Work to discuss feces in a punchbowl. That's a
disgusting image I refuse to link with any part of our Holy Church's
ministry and outreach to sick homosexuals.
Prayerfully,
Bernadette Strange
Probably the ONLY True Christian Here
Mother Bernadette Strange
> What one person would regard as hard work another regards as having
> a lazy day.
You may be right. Old, fat, ugly, and diseased homosexuals probably
have to "work" to find sex, but that doesn't mean they're really being
productive. They're certainly not pleasing God with their lustful
machinations.
> Possibly. And too many church and charity projects (still). And
> taking a while to settle into the new place.
I hope you haven't been neglecting going to the proper Church instead
of that homosexual sin den run by Satan.
> As I was alone and asleep I would have no idea. However, your
> ex-husband used to tie people down so that they couldn't touch their
> genitals while sleeping. This would have disturbed my sleep even
> more.
Why? I think it's a good idea to bind children of a certain age so
they can't masturbate. We do that at all our Cleansing Camps. Since
you don't believe in douching, it might please you to know that we
don't let girls use tampons, which can introduce microbes into their
Holy of Holies. Some girls use the nasty things to masturbate as
well, and we refuse to tolerate that. That's not why God created our
sacred reproductive organs.
> Specially in one of Johannesburg's trendiest "pink" districts.
That's where the killer asteroids will fall first.
> Only the one for which I posed.
I'm shocked! Was it tastefully done or did you get into an especially
revealing pose? Was the artist a lesbian?
> My new car is on order. Should be here in the middle of March.
Is it a luxury model? Where did you get all this money? Did one of
your party-hearty homosexual friends die of AIDS and leave you his
savings?
> No. They're very easy to access. However, I have a strange quirk.
> I don't have anything in my home for which I still have to pay. No
> debt except for real estate, and that is investment money. As you
> commented, the real estate has been expensive. Luxuries like
> appliances will have to wait, as will ripping out this hideous
> bathroom and replacing it with a beautiful one!
Are you going to outfit it with nude paintings and urinating putti?
> I do plan to go to heaven, but I'm hoping it won't be yet.
I wouldn't plan too concretely, as lenient as you are with sinners.
God expects you to denounce their sins!
> Because I don't interfere with the process of natural cleansing
> ordained by God so I haven't destroyed all natural means of
> elimination. Daily external washing is perfectly adequate for
> feminine hygiene.
That doesn't get inside the Holy of Holies to banish germs and filth.
I need lustral water inside me to feel truly fresh and pure.
> We've been through this one before. Please don't pray for me.
I must do what God tells me to, Moira. I simply pray that God will
bless you and show you the error of your ways as He sees fit. How can
you object to that?
Still praying for you all,
Mother Bernadette Strange
> I am telling nothing but the truth.
Really? Since when? You said yourself that no one can be sure when
you're lying. We've already established that you can no longer
discern Truth from falsehood. You turned your back on God and His
Liberating Truth when you lost your Faith and went a-whoring after
false gods.
> I already explained to you why you are the bottom of the barrel among
> preachers,
You mean you explained how your simple mind reached that conclusion.
I don't happen to share it. Neither does anyone else who's virtuous
or righteous. Only the scum of the earth thinks that about me.
> even when compared to greedy televangelists.
By your own admission, it was you who fell for their obvious lies. I
made no such mistake. I found then joined and now work as a
representative of the One True Church, the First Universal Christian
Kingdom World Evangelical Temple of Christians United Now & Tomorrow
for Righteousness And Widsom. You mustn't blame me for your failings.
While you were giving all your money to "The 700 Club," I was still a
sick, sex-crazed lesbian doing dominant scenes for Satan. Fortunately
God watched over me and eventually led me out of that sick, twisted
life. You've allowed Satan to lead you into a life of bitterness,
scorn, and rage against the True Church. I didn't make you that way;
the devil did.
> "every one"? That is easily disproven; I need just one post of yours
> without a reply from me.
A whole sermon can range over a series of posts, and there are very
few sermons that you've missed. Pay attention to what I'm saying so
you can better respond to it, dear. Your ignorance is showing.
> What makes you think I'm "incontinent"?
The effusion of words you spew on Usenet, for one. Your frequent use
of scatological language for another. Your attitude toward God, His
Church, and His People for a third. Shall I go on?
> I have never written such a thing.
Not in so many words.
> Either you're extremely deluded, or you're lying.
I am neither. You may not be physically incontinent -- yet -- but
metaphorically speaking you just can't hold it in any more. And that
goes double for your bile!
> My memory is excellent, and I will remember every single word of yours
> when you've cowering in the ground,
If one is "in" the ground, one doesn't cower. One might cower ON the
ground, but I certainly never will. Jesus still watches over me and
protects me from harm.
> asking strangers for a fix or if they could tell you your name.
I'll never be in such a state. I never took dope myself. I simply
got others hooked on it so I could manipulate them more easily. I was
recruiting for Satan, remember, not just for Sappho.
> Another lie. You are NEVER honest, pig-preacher. That is why you are a
> pig-preacher, after all!
I am not a "pig preacher." I don't rip people off or promise anyone
anything I can't deliver. Are you undergoing some kind of rigorous
hormone replacement therapy by any chance? Or are your bones simply
turning to dust beneath your flesh? It's not normal to be so
vindictive with good people like me. Do you kick and scream as you're
typing your nasty words into your computer? Does your husband bring
you a vial of Valium to calm your ragged nerves? I'm trying to help
you manage your anger. Why won't you let me?
> No, my mind is perfectly clear on that. Truth is the opposite of what
> Bernie The
That "The" shouldn't be capitalized. Live and learn from your
betters.
> Sock says.
If you mean Bernard Hubbard, you could be right. He's lusting after
Rufus now and is contemplating bumping off his supposed loverboy just
to get at my husband, who's younger. I've always maintained that "gay
love" (a prettied-up name for "homo lust") lasts about as long as a
Charms Blow-pop. My Holiness Gospel preaching is always reliable and
trustworthy. You'll sleep more easily if you just accept that
principle.
> That may be your delusion, but EVERYONE here knows that everything you
> say or claim is wrong, either because you don't know better, or
> because you deliberately spread falsehood.
You mean all the sick homosexuals who convene here to swap smutty
stories and scat jokes? Do you honestly believe for a second that I
care what any one of them thinks about me? If your mind was still
functioning normally -- and I know that's a very bif IF -- you'd see
that all their insults don't slow me down one bit. They never have.
> It's that simple, Berni -
My name is Bernadette.
> you're either dumb, or you're lying.
I am neither. You admitted before that you lied. I never lie. Stop
imputing your failings to me. I am pure.
> Whenever you write something, whenever you open your filthy mouth,
My mouth is clean and fresh, thank you. I brush and floss regularly,
and I swore off cunnilingus years ago. Unlike most of the people
here, probably including you, Marie, I have never once put my mouth on
or anywhere near a dirty penis.
> it's one of those two.
No, it's Truth, Marie, pure and simple. Deal with it.
> Let's face it: You
A capital letter is not required after a colon.
> are worthless. Case closed.
I must be worth something to you. You hang on to my every word. Even
the people I bring into the Holy Church don't do that as much as you
do. You probably print out all my sermons are circulate them at work
and in your neighborhood. Admit it, Marie, you couldn't live without
me! I think you're a closet lesbian and you've got a thing for me.
That's why you wanted to see a picture of me when I had short hair and
an extra-extra-large behind which I always crammed into tight jeans
with rips in them. You want to see my ample endowment in a tight tank
top, don't you? You said a lesbian made a pass at you years ago. You
may not remember responding to her advances, especially with your
faltering memory, but I think something had to have happened to you
back then. You probably just repressed the sordid details in the
darkest recesses of what was once your mind. Sometimes all it takes
is a touch in the right place to plant demons inside someone, and that
legion of them that speaks through you now had to get in there
somehow. You desperately need a strong herbal douche, Marie, and how!
I will continue to pray for you nevertheless,
Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
True Christian Ex-Lesbian Ex-Vampire Ex-Witch
Douching Demons Out Since 1999
Marie C. Bennett
Sockhole) wrote:
>Menopausal Marie C. Bennett <do....@email.com> wrote in message news:<1rn46vo1kbsedcpf4...@4ax.com>...
First you wrote I'm old (> 50), now you write I'm "menopausal"
(menopause usually ends at age 50). Will you ever decide?
>> I am telling nothing but the truth.
>
>Really? Since when? You said yourself that no one can be sure when
>you're lying.
I already commented on that. But apparently you've already forgotten.
>We've already established that you can no longer
>discern Truth from falsehood.
Nothing like that was "established", your empty brain just came up
with this ridiculous idea because you can't take it that I know and
proudly proclaim the ugly truth about you.
>> I already explained to you why you are the bottom of the barrel among
>> preachers,
>
>You mean you explained how your simple mind reached that conclusion.
>I don't happen to share it. Neither does anyone else who's virtuous
>or righteous. Only the scum of the earth thinks that about me.
I have already persuasively explained to you why YOU are the "scum" of
the earth.
>> even when compared to greedy televangelists.
>
>By your own admission, it was you who fell for their obvious lies.
So? I'm not saying you are LIKE them, I'm saying you're WORSE than
them. How come that a self-styled linguist can't understand simple
sentences?
>I
>made no such mistake. I found then joined and now work as a
>representative of the One True Church, the First Universal Christian
>Kingdom World Evangelical Temple of Christians United Now & Tomorrow
>for Righteousness And Widsom.
That last part is new... "Fuck Wet Cunt Raw?"
And what on earth is "widsom"? Your "sacred poetic license" way of
spelling "witsome", which you, in your pseudo-expert opinion, assume
to be the opposite of "witless"?
>You mustn't blame me for your failings.
No, I blame you for YOUR failings.
> While you were giving all your money to "The 700 Club," I was still a
>sick, sex-crazed lesbian doing dominant scenes for Satan.
Ha! And you think you're better than me because of that? Besides, I
didn't give ALL my money to them. Just 75$ a month. I left when Pat
ran for president, that's all.
>Fortunately
>God watched over me and eventually led me out of that sick, twisted
>life. You've allowed Satan to lead you into a life of bitterness,
>scorn, and rage against the True Church.
I have no rage against the True Church, wherever it may be. I have
less than warm feelings for you, however.
>I didn't make you that way;
>the devil did.
You really like to worship the devil; after all, YOU are the one who's
constantly dragging him into the discussion.
>> "every one"? That is easily disproven; I need just one post of yours
>> without a reply from me.
>
>A whole sermon can range over a series of posts, and there are very
>few sermons that you've missed. Pay attention to what I'm saying so
>you can better respond to it, dear. Your ignorance is showing.
Recently you often don't start a thread, you just post replies to
existing ones (like in the "Help, my husband's gay" thread). That's
not giving sermons.
>> Either you're extremely deluded, or you're lying.
>
>I am neither. You may not be physically incontinent -- yet -- but
>metaphorically speaking you just can't hold it in any more. And that
>goes double for your bile!
A-ha! Now that I've exposed your lie, you back down and say that you
were just "metaphorically speaking". How pathetic!
>> My memory is excellent, and I will remember every single word of yours
>> when you've cowering in the ground,
>
>If one is "in" the ground, one doesn't cower. One might cower ON the
>ground, but I certainly never will.
That's what I meant. The 'O' is right next to the 'I' on standard
keyboards. You've made several typos in this post alone, so don't
patronize me on this one.
>Jesus still watches over me and
>protects me from harm.
Is that why you got attacked by "vampires" recently? Methinks you need
a better bodyguard than your little Baby Jesus.
>> asking strangers for a fix or if they could tell you your name.
>
>I'll never be in such a state. I never took dope myself. I simply
>got others hooked on it so I could manipulate them more easily. I was
>recruiting for Satan, remember, not just for Sappho.
Who's Sappho?
>I am not a "pig preacher." I don't rip people off or promise anyone
>anything I can't deliver.
Yes, you do both things continuously.
>Are you undergoing some kind of rigorous
>hormone replacement therapy by any chance?
No.
>Or are your bones simply
>turning to dust beneath your flesh?
I am in prime physical shape. Better than you, I presume.
>It's not normal to be so
>vindictive with good people like me.
I'm kind, compassionate and friendly to good people. I'm vindicative,
cruel yet just and firm with naughty people like you.
>Do you kick and scream as you're
>typing your nasty words into your computer?
No, I drink orange juice and listen to nice music while having a good
time.
>Does your husband bring
>you a vial of Valium to calm your ragged nerves?
No, but he sometimes comes by, gives me a gentle kiss and says "Honey,
why are you arguing with stupid people? They're not worth your time.
Come, let's watch 'The McLaughlin Group' together."
>I'm trying to help
>you manage your anger.
I'm not angry. I'm not an angry type of person.
>Why won't you let me?
I'm letting you. But all you offer is your divine non-entity.
>> No, my mind is perfectly clear on that. Truth is the opposite of what
>> Bernie The
>
>That "The" shouldn't be capitalized. Live and learn from your
>betters.
I will, but what has this got to do with YOU?
>> Sock says.
>
>If you mean Bernard Hubbard, you could be right.
No, I mean YOU.
>You'll sleep more easily if you just accept that
>principle.
Maybe that's what helps *you* find some sleep, but I don't need that.
>> That may be your delusion, but EVERYONE here knows that everything you
>> say or claim is wrong, either because you don't know better, or
>> because you deliberately spread falsehood.
>
>You mean all the sick homosexuals who convene here to swap smutty
>stories and scat jokes? Do you honestly believe for a second that I
>care what any one of them thinks about me? If your mind was still
>functioning normally -- and I know that's a very bif IF --
What's a "bif IF"?
>you'd see
>that all their insults don't slow me down one bit. They never have.
No, they turn you on, right? Come on, admit it. You masturbate while
reading all those insults thrown at you!
>> Whenever you write something, whenever you open your filthy mouth,
>
>My mouth is clean and fresh, thank you. I brush and floss regularly,
>and I swore off cunnilingus years ago. Unlike most of the people
>here, probably including you, Marie, I have never once put my mouth on
>or anywhere near a dirty penis.
I have once never put a dirty penis in my mouth, stupid. And unlike
you, I have never licked dirty slots, either.
>I must be worth something to you.
Why? Do you think because I reply to you makes you worthy? Do you
think "Ehrlicher Mann", aka "A. Krieghund", is worth something to me?
You've got something terribly mixed up here, Sis'.
>You probably print out all my sermons are circulate them at work
>and in your neighborhood.
I don't have a printer connected to my computer.
>Admit it, Marie, you couldn't live without
>me!
Well, just HOW did I manage to sustain life the past decades without
knowing you? ;-P
>I think you're a closet lesbian and you've got a thing for me.
Ah, now your secret fantasies are finally getting out!
>That's why you wanted to see a picture of me when I had short hair and
>an extra-extra-large behind which I always crammed into tight jeans
>with rips in them.
And that's why I wanted you to return as a young, hung, MALE
ex-homosexual, younger than 20. Yeah, right. Get a grip, sis'.
>You want to see my ample endowment in a tight tank
>top, don't you?
I expected to see an ugly fat cow wearing knuckles.
>You said a lesbian made a pass at you years ago. You
>may not remember responding to her advances, especially with your
>faltering memory, but I think something had to have happened to you
>back then. You probably just repressed the sordid details in the
>darkest recesses of what was once your mind. Sometimes all it takes
>is a touch in the right place to plant demons inside someone, and that
>legion of them that speaks through you now had to get in there
>somehow.
If you'd actually SEEN her, you would know that if anything, this
event would have me shun away from any lesbian lust forever.
>You desperately need a strong herbal douche, Marie, and how!
I already told you that I douche regularly. But obviously, since you
are going senile (and accusing ME of that very thing, as you always
do), you already forgot. Maybe you should douche your mind, wash those
ugly thoughts away!
BTW, here's a joke that seems to be made for you:
Der Geschäftsmann zum Pfarrer: "Glauben Sie, dass ich in den Himmel
komme, wenn ich der Kirche 25000 Mark stifte?" - "Das kann ich Ihnen
nicht so genau sagen", erwidert der Pfarrer, "aber an Ihrer Stelle
würde ich es schon mal probieren."
Cliff Hammond
a Christian you should at least find a real one.
The Episcopalian bishop, Graham Polkingham, once said that newly converted
Christians should be locked up for the first couple years after
"conversion," least they drive people AWAY from Jesus.
gassho,
ordinary mind
"Mother Bernadette Strange" <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
news:94b6d5f1.03030...@posting.google.com...
Ward Stewart
It is the lecherous pursuit of Boy Scauts -- haven't you read your
agenda lately?
ward
------------------------------------------------
"Marital sex tends toward the boring end...
Generally, it doesn't deliver the kind of
sheer sexual pleasure that homosexual sex does.
-Paul Cameron
Rolling Stone, March 18, 1999
------------------------------------------------
Bernard Hubbard
news:94b6d5f1.03030...@posting.google.com:
> Menopausal Marie C. Bennett <do....@email.com> wrote in message
> news:<1rn46vo1kbsedcpf4...@4ax.com>...
>
>> I am telling nothing but the truth.
>
> Really? Since when? You said yourself that no one can be sure
> when you're lying. We've already established that you can no
> longer discern Truth from falsehood. You turned your back on God
> and His Liberating Truth when you lost your Faith and went
> a-whoring after false gods.
>
>> I already explained to you why you are the bottom of the barrel
>> among preachers,
>
> You mean you explained how your simple mind reached that
> conclusion. I don't happen to share it. Neither does anyone else
> who's virtuous or righteous. Only the scum of the earth thinks
> that about me.
>
>> even when compared to greedy televangelists.
>
> By your own admission, it was you who fell for their obvious lies.
> I made no such mistake. I found then joined and now work as a
> representative of the One True Church, the First Universal
> Christian Kingdom World Evangelical Temple of Christians United
> Now & Tomorrow for Righteousness And Widsom<sic>. You mustn't
> blame me for your failings.
I notice that your Church has undergone another name change. Last
time I remarked on it , the name was FUCK RAW ( an invitation I
believe to have sex without condoms or barebacking as it is better
known). It appears as though the name is now FUCK WET CUNT RAW.
What I would like to know can an unlubricated cunt join, and if so is
it allowable to use a lubricated comdom on it. I am asking only in a
technical way since I haven't touched a cunt and have had no desire
to since that treacherous ex wife of mine debunked with our two
daughters for the Netherlands. I do hope she has made it to the
*netherworld* by now. Scheming bitch that she was. You remind me of
her Mommy with your incessant pleadings for more money. Have you
emptied Rufus' bank account yet?
> While you were giving all your money to "The 700 Club," I was
> still a
> sick, sex-crazed lesbian doing dominant scenes for Satan.
> Fortunately God watched over me and eventually led me out of that
> sick, twisted life. You've allowed Satan to lead you into a life
> of bitterness, scorn, and rage against the True Church.
Mommy, I have asked before What is the *True Church* but you answer
was not coherent. So could you tell me which Christian Churches are
NOT the True Church. Thanking you in advance.
> I will continue to pray for you nevertheless,
>
>
> Reverend Mother Bernadette Strange
> True Christian Ex-Lesbian Ex-Vampire Ex-Witch
> Mistress of the Holy Golden Pliers and Guardian of Normie's Forceps
> Douching Demons Out Since 1999 all for a fee of course.
Moira de Swardt
wrote in message
> I hope you haven't been neglecting going to the proper Church
instead
> of that homosexual sin den run by Satan.
Well, it depends if one determines that the Episcopalian Church is a
"proper" church or not, now doesn't it?
> Why? I think it's a good idea to bind children of a certain age
so
> they can't masturbate. We do that at all our Cleansing Camps.
Since
> you don't believe in douching, it might please you to know that we
> don't let girls use tampons, which can introduce microbes into
their
> Holy of Holies. Some girls use the nasty things to masturbate as
> well, and we refuse to tolerate that. That's not why God created
our
> sacred reproductive organs.
> > Specially in one of Johannesburg's trendiest "pink" districts.
> That's where the killer asteroids will fall first.
Yes, dear.
> > Only the one for which I posed.
> I'm shocked! Was it tastefully done or did you get into an
especially
> revealing pose? Was the artist a lesbian?
I think it's very tasteful. As I said, even my doctor can't
recognise me. :-) The one I chose isn't specially revealing, nor
is the one my friend purchased, but some of the other four were
fairly revealing. The artist is a Roman Catholic priest in his late
seventies or early eighties. People knowledgeable about African art
might recognise the name of Father Frans Claerhout.
> > My new car is on order. Should be here in the middle of March.
> Is it a luxury model? Where did you get all this money? Did one
of
> your party-hearty homosexual friends die of AIDS and leave you his
> savings?
No. The very, very bottom of the range model in the cheapest line
made in South Africa. I'm busy earning the money honestly, and no
longer working for the church based organisation for which I was
working some time back. Fortunately I have not lost any friends to
HIV/AIDS for a long time. The only friend to die recently died of
various factors caused, in part, by age (and made worse by a life
time of smoking). I should imagine he left all his money to his
family.
> > No. They're very easy to access. However, I have a strange
quirk.
> > I don't have anything in my home for which I still have to pay.
No
> > debt except for real estate, and that is investment money. As
you
> > commented, the real estate has been expensive. Luxuries like
> > appliances will have to wait, as will ripping out this hideous
> > bathroom and replacing it with a beautiful one!
> Are you going to outfit it with nude paintings and urinating
putti?
What are "putti"? I shouldn't imagine I'm going to decorate it with
anything that costs a lot of money. I may have to content myself
with a few towels and a potplant or two.
> > I do plan to go to heaven, but I'm hoping it won't be yet.
> I wouldn't plan too concretely, as lenient as you are with
sinners.
> God expects you to denounce their sins!
God expects me to deal with mine.
> > Because I don't interfere with the process of natural cleansing
> > ordained by God so I haven't destroyed all natural means of
> > elimination. Daily external washing is perfectly adequate for
> > feminine hygiene.
> That doesn't get inside the Holy of Holies to banish germs and
filth.
> I need lustral water inside me to feel truly fresh and pure.
Bernie, that's merely masturbating with flowing water.
> > We've been through this one before. Please don't pray for me.
> I must do what God tells me to, Moira. I simply pray that God
will
> bless you and show you the error of your ways as He sees fit. How
can
> you object to that?
Because you're really not a nice character, whether posing as normie
(lack of capitalisation deliberate), Sunshine, Hickey, or
Berniedotty.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Fritz
> >I can imagine great rejoicing, frivolity, and reverlry if they were
> >watching you drink said punch ;-).
>
> Not likely boy. I don't attend parties of those who subculture accepts
> such high risk people as bug chasers and bare backers as normal
> everyday folks. That's the environment where you'll find the turd in
> the punch bowl and every fecal fiend homo fighting to get it in his
> cup.
My, what a discussing imagination you have.
Sounds like you need a brain flush.
> It's the nature of homosexual and homosexuality. Admit it and get
> on with your "life?"
No need, it's not in the least true.
And you know it.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Taking back my freedom of conscience.
Fritz
> >> I have no time to waste on people
> >> who have no redeeming factors, no honor, no morals, no character. Who
> >> forge other people's post and then deny that they did it -- people who
> >> are total losers*
>
> > Oh... you mean people like yourself...
>
> No, homophiles like you who have no life of there own and must borrow
> an excuse for existence from a subculture of the sexually perverted.
Yeap, that's you all right.
Fritz
> "John J. Petry" <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<b3pkqd$37f$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> > Your mom left the computer unlocked again I see.
>
> Would you sick homosexuals please stop posting this scaotological
> rubbish on the thread I started to promote our Holy Church's Healing
> Work? I'll start a new thread for you today. Sinners seeking
> spiritual guidance from the True Church of God (the First Universal
> Christian Kingdom of Righteousness And Wisdom) could easily be misled
> by all this gutter talk about feces and food. I'm surprised old Marie
> Bennett hasn't jumped in with her usual worthless two cents yet.
Now that's rich, nothing you've ever posted was worth anything.
Fritz
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:04:38 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Jeff
> North <jnor...@xxbigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:37:40 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Ehrlicher Mann
> ><E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
> >
> >>| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:03:23 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> >>| no...@nospam.pacbell.net (No One) wrote:
> >>|
> >>| >In article <1bfab79b46f3569c...@news.teranews.com>, Ehrlicher
> >>| >Mann <E.M...@pov.org> wrote:
> >>| >
> >>| >> On 26 Feb 2003 17:10:00 +1100, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bernard
> >>| >> Hubbard <bern...@iprimus.com> wrote:
> >>| >>
> >>| >> >Is this *sexual discrimination I see here? <snip>
> >>| >>
> >>| >> <snip> Your queer attempt at humor is
> >>| >> about as funny as a turd in a punch bowl (excepting at a homo function
> >>| >> where such would be cause for great rejoicing, frivolity and revelry.)
> >>| >
> >>| >I can imagine great rejoicing, frivolity, and reverlry if they were
> >>| >watching you drink said punch ;-).
> >>|
> >>| Not likely boy. I don't attend parties of those who subculture accepts
> >>| such high risk people as bug chasers and bare backers as normal
> >>| everyday folks. That's the environment where you'll find the turd in
> >>| the punch bowl and every fecal fiend homo fighting to get it in his
> >>| cup. It's the nature of homosexual and homosexuality. Admit it and get
> >>| on with your "life?"
> >
> >Admit what? Your cross dressing and other sexual fantasies?
>
> I will ask you once more, Do me the favor of not making anymore of
> your 3rd rate response to my posts. I have no time to waste on people
> who have no redeeming factors, no honor, no morals, no character. Who
> forge other people's post and then deny that they did it -- people who
> are total losers*
>
> *Everyone, at one time or the other, has encountered a professional
> loser. Not a griper, mind you, but a certified loser. One who cannot
> remain employed for more than 3 days; has multiple marriages which
> last about a year; depends upon handouts in order to eat; but
> cannot help but tell you how it's always the other guy's fault that
> things don't work well. Losers never retract nor say they are sorry,
> for they must retain their inflated over-estimation of their worth.
> The facts indicate that their whole existence is a gigantic mistake
> foisted upon a world which already contains too much waste.
>
> Encounters with losers always have the same result. They end with the
> loser proving to himself that it's you who are the loser and they
> do this with their practiced battery of "catch 22" setups. If a woman
> doesn't fill her intent on the first date, the man is therefore cold.
> A passionate man, under the influence of charm, is labeled "immature"
> and unable to control himself. If he is mannerly, he's accused of not
> being interested and perhaps even impotent. In the minds of the
> genuine loser, it's the rest of the world which is screwed up.
> Evidence to the contrary will never, ever be considered. If you do not
> believe their lies, they accuse you of lack of trust. If you believe
> their lies, you are a sucker and will suffer consequences.
>
> Losers are generally hypocrites. Although shouting to the world their
> self-sufficiency, they are usually on the dole -- divorce settlements,
> welfare, petty theft, etc. Losers are vipers and if they are cornered,
> they will lash out with intense fury even to the point of atrocious
> fabrication. They imagine demons where there aren't any and their
> wildest delusions appear as events which actually transpired.
>
> Such losers may not meet the requirements of legally insane but they
> are nuts enough to avoid at all costs. If by a mistake of judgment, or
> misplaced trust, or generosity, you become entangled with such
> snakes,excuse yourself and wish them love -- and never look back.
So is this a description of yourself?
Maybe you could talk to someone, like a doctor or something.
Moira de Swardt
Ward Stewart <wste...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> <moira.d...@wol.co.za> wrote:
> >What's "scaotological"? And in what context is it used in the
> >comment above?
> It is the lecherous pursuit of Boy Scauts -- haven't you read your
> agenda lately?
Oops! I have been remiss again.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
curtsybear
> Mother Bernadette Strange <exle...@wowmail.com> wrote in message
>> "The Yet Undouched Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@wol.co.za> wrote in message
>> Nudes?
> Only the one for which I posed.
How lovely to have, in such a brief exchange, the perfect thumbnail view
of the difference between a healthy person with a healthy spirituality
and a healthy body versus Beelzedette, who embodies everything which
could ever go wrong with social mentalization and crackpot religiosity.
One day, you might be kind enough to give people a place where they
might view such a lovely picture, Moira, but, for now, I'm afraid it'd
just attract the drooling "gimme more naked pictures" sociopathy which
we know as "sistah moonshine"...
--
Curtis at Sieber dot Com
"What is intriguing about 'Ulterior Motive' is its author's background as,
first, a collaborator with behaviorist B.F. Skinner on chimpanzee-language
research, and, then, the inventor of the Start Button and Taskbar for
the computer program Windows 95." -- The New York Times, Christopher
Lehmann-Haupt, reviewing a book, but inadvertently tying together so
many loose ends about the origin of that damned start button!