What Freemasonry Means To Me
St. John The Sublime Reformer
br_...@pacbell.net (Eugene Goldman.·.) wrote:
> What Freemasonry Means To Me
> The Reverend Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, 33°
The 33rd Degree is a designation for the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and
Accepted Scottish Rite whose Head Temple in Washington D.C. is
known as the Mother Council of the World. A 33rd Degree holder
can only join if asked to do so like the entire Scottish Rite.
The founder of the North American Scottish rite was the Confederate
General Albert Pike who for his many writings and ritual work is
known as the Plato of Freemasonry and to which the main library
at the Supreme Council is dedicated to (next to the Albert Pike and
J. Edgar Hoover [blackmailer, pervert, & neo-nazi] Memorial Rooms).
Albert Pike was also the inventor and founder of the Klu Klux Klan,
writing all their rituals and manuals.
>
> I recently received a letter in which the writer asked: "Why are you a
> Freemason?" The question caused me to think and reaffirm my feelings
> about Masonry.
>
> At first I thought about my own forebears. My grandfather was a Mason
> for 50 years, my father for 50 years, and I have been a Mason for 60
> years. This means that my tie with Freemasonry extends back to 1869
> when my grandfather joined the Masons.
A man who is whole (i.e. not missing any limbs), who is clean (no
diseases or illness with open sores such as leprosy, pox, etc),
who was born a freeman (by clever use of semantics still used today
to keep a Black Men out of most lodges in the U.S.A. forcing them
to form their own all black lodges) may at the age of 21 ask a mason to
sponsor him into the "craft". If the lads father was a mason he is
given an automatic membership at the age of 18, not having to undergo
any character probing (this is how all the "good"(bad} masons get in
and perpetuate themselves. A lad getting in like this is known as a
Lewis. Therefore "Reverend" Peale didn't join at all he simply became
one like a levite priest would at his coming into manhood. Freemasonry
is a religion and it is a Priesthood, a secret priesthood, whose deity
is the Smithie of the World - Sakla.
>
> My feelings on my first entrance into a Masonic Lodge are very clear
> in memory.
Then goes on NOT to tell us what they were.
I was a young man and it was a great thrill to kneel before
> the altar of the Lodge to become a Freemason.
Young men like taking risks and catching some thrills.
This must have been the
> same feeling my father and grandfather experienced before me.
Not fear caused by adult coercion of course.
And it
> must also have been identical to the one that many great leaders of
> America and the world felt as they became Masons. Prominent among this
> select group are George Washington, Harry Truman, and 12 other
> Presidents as well as countless statesmen and benefactors of humanity.
>
> So I found myself thinking: "What does Freemasonry mean to me?" Of
> course Masons say that Freemasonry actually begins in each individual
> Mason's heart.
It begins with the son of the widow, the misbegotton one, the one
who considers himself to be god, Ialdabaoth, Sabaoth.
I take this to mean a response to brotherhood and the
> highest ideals. I recall the story of a man who came to me once and
> said: "I see that you are a Freemason.
How did he know that - give him the secret sign? The secret word?
The secret handshake? Why so many secrets for a "fraternity" that
claims it is not a secret society?
So am I." As we talked, he told
> me of an experience he had years ago. It seems that he joined the
> Masonic Fraternity shortly after he became 21 years old. When he was
> stationed in the military, he decided to attend various Lodge
> meetings.
Very helpful with promotions the core of "working the craft", mutual
backscratching. Non-masons call it corruption.
> On his first visit to a Lodge in a strange city, he was a bit nervous.
> One thought was constantly in his mind; could he pass the examination
> to show that he was a Mason? As the committee was carefully examining
> his credentials, one of the members looked him squarely in the eye and
> said:
> "Obviously you know the Ritual, so you can enter our Lodge as a
> Brother Mason. But I have one more question. Where were you made a
> Mason?"
Not a very trusting and benevolant lot are they, kind of like the
way criminals act. You're sure your not a cop ? I wonder what they
are hiding ?
With that he told the young visitor to think about it because
> when he knew the answer the examiner would not have to hear it. He
> would see it in his eyes. My friend told me that after a couple of
> minutes a big smile came to his face and he looked at the examiner,
> who said: "That's right, in your heart."
Should make the Joker happy, he's rather a jealous fellow.
>
> "Through Masonic teachings, good men practice love and charity. As a
> Fraternity they spend millions of dollars..."
Of course no "outsider" (which they derisively call Cowans) may
access their finanical "dealings" to verify this. Sort of like
the way John Gotti was always helping out the neighbourhood.
>
> Freemasonry is not a religion though,
Yes it is.
in my experience, Masons have
> predominately been religious men
Don't tell the residents of a city that has the dubious pleasure
of hosting a Shriner's convention (mind you the hookers and
bartenders are rather pleased).
The Shrine is for holders of the 32nd degree of Scottish Rite
Freemasonry plus Mark Masonry. It is a "diverting a discourse term"
for its full and proper name The Ancient and Noble Order of Knights
of the Mystic Shrine (the Kabba stone at Mecca, most sacred spot in
Islam).
and, for the most part, of the
> Christian faith.
Just don't mention Jesus Christ inside a Masonic Lodge especially
when during your initiation ritual when asked "to whom to you put
your trust ?" If your respond Jesus Christ you will not be admitted
into Freemasonry - the only acceptable response is The Great
Architect of the Universe who they say is God, or simply God (who
as everyone in the darkened room at the time knows is short for the
Great Architect of the Universe).
Don't say you put your faith in Jesus Christ - Oh no, not him!
Christian faith indeed.
Through Freemasonry, however, I have had opportunity
> to break bread with good men of other than my own Christian faith.
> Freemasonry does not promote any one religious creed.
So christianity is on the same moral par with Baal worship and
the Wican faith, splendid.
All Masons
> believe in the Deity without reservation.
The deity? Um can you be a little more specific, what deity is that
exactly ?
However, Masonry makes no
> demands as to how a member thinks of the Great Architect of the
> Universe.
So if it makes no demands as to how a member
thinks of the Great Architect one assumes it would be acceptable
if a brother thought of him as a son of a *****. So much for the
moral compass.
> Freemasonry is, for all its members, a supplement to good living which
> has enhanced the lives of millions who have entered its doors.
Yes most Freemasons profit $$$$$ quite nicely from the craft.
Though > it is not a religion, as such, it supplements faith in God the
> Creator.
How so ?
It is supporting of morality and virtue.
By not "judging" what anyones opinion is of the "great architect"
and by funnelling government contracts and promotions to brothers,
and helping brothers get away with crime? Right.
> Freemasonry has no dogma or theology.
You then don't have the slightest understanding of the meaning of
those words.
It offers no sacraments.
Horses**t. The word sacrament is simply Latin for secret. Freemasonry
is a society with secrets (and a secret society).
It
> teaches that it is important for every man to have a religion of his
> own choice and to be faithful to it in thought and action.
There is that old wobbly moral compass again.
As a
> result, men of different religions meet in fellowship and brotherhood
> under the fatherhood of God.
And pass around business cards.
I think that a good Mason is made even
> more faithful to the tenets of his faith by his membership in the
> Lodge.
What faith would that be exactly?
>
> Freemasonry is much more than a social organization. Through Masonic
> teachings, good men practice love and charity.
To each other.
As a Fraternity they
> spend millions of dollars to support hospitals, childhood language
> disorders clinics, and research into problems that plague man's
> physical and mental being.
Disinformation and P.R. Even the tobacco and Petrochemical industry's
not to mention Organized Crime claim to be benevolant and charitable
organizations.
The purpose of Freemasonry is not charity. It is a secret society
and a mystery religion for the mutual benefit of its members and
it's deity - the World Ruler.
Whenever I visit a Masonic hospital, of
> which there are many, my eyes fill with tears. As I see a youngster,
> who could not walk, now able to get from one end of the corridor to
> the other with the aid of an artificial leg, I am thrilled.
What percentage of your revenues go to this, scientology and
Reverend Moon's organization both claim to be charitable organizations,
open up the books.
For a
> young person to have the opportunity to become whole and productive is
> to me exciting and wonderful. And this opportunity is given at no cost
> to his or her family or the state. Living is beautiful but sometimes
> life can be harsh and cruel. Whenever or wherever people are in need
> Masons are there to help.
> From large undertakings to the smallest of needs, Masons are always
> there, caring and serving.
>
> I have always been interested as to why Masons devote so much time to
> their Fraternity. A good answer to this question came from a Grand
> Master who once told me that he enjoys his involvement because it
> gives him another dimension to living.
Just like the Golf and Country Club does.
The same answer is echoed by
> Brethren as they meet in Lodge rooms from one end of our Country to
> the other and around the world. Many of my best friends, associates,
> and fellow Christians are Freemasons and good churchmen as well.
So your critea for "best frienship" is not simply fellow christians
and good churchman "Reverend" they must also be FREEMASONS as well.
Some Reverend.
>
> In my travels at home and abroad a goodly number of Freemasons notice
> my Masonic ring, which I always wear. With pride they say: "I, too, am
> a Freemason."
The masonic ring is used as a "token", one of the three forms of
recognition which are held as the most important secrets of Freemasonry
which must never be divulged under pain of death (according to the
oaths they took when they joined).
Now there's some christian fellowship for you.
>
> To me, Freemasonry is one form of dedication to God and service to
> humanity. I too was a Freemason in my heart and so I will remain.
Right into the fires of hell.
I am
> proud of my involvement.
Pride goeth before a fall Reverend.
I am proud to walk in fraternal fellowship
> with my Brethren. Why am I a Freemason?
Because your father was and you automatically became one on your 18th
birthday.
Simply because I am proud to
> be a man who wants to keep the moral standards of life at high level
> and leave something behind so others will benefit.
So you can't do that through being a man of the cloth ? So you
feel your faith is somehow lacking and needs a little esoteric
spice to "liven" it up. I see.
Only as I,
> personally, become better, can I help others to do the same.
Wrong "Reverend" you become better by helping others.
I think you should consider a refresher course at divinity school.
Regardevoux
St. John The Sublime Reformer
Masonic Historian
Defender of the Faith
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> A man who is whole (i.e. not missing any limbs), who is clean (no
> diseases or illness with open sores such as leprosy, pox, etc),
> who was born a freeman (by clever use of semantics still used today
> to keep a Black Men out of most lodges in the U.S.A. forcing them
> to form their own all black lodges) may at the age of 21 ask a mason to
> sponsor him into the "craft".
"Freeman" is any man born free, regardless of colour. Yes, slaves were/are
excluded, but _all_ men are now free under the constitution.
>> My feelings on my first entrance into a Masonic Lodge are very clear
>> in memory.
> Then goes on NOT to tell us what they were.
Because that is something personal that every new Mason should experience
for himself. I don't want to know what it's like to enter a lodge as a
Mason until I do it myself.
>> I was a young man and it was a great thrill to kneel before
>> the altar of the Lodge to become a Freemason.
> Young men like taking risks and catching some thrills.
What risk is involved? None that I can see. And not all young men would be
thrilled by joining Masonry. The few that would be are most likely good
men, moral men.
>> This must have been the
>> same feeling my father and grandfather experienced before me.
>
> Not fear caused by adult coercion of course.
Of course not. I have had to be "coerced" by my father to hold off joining
for a while. He wants me to wait until he is the WM of the lodge.
> It begins with the son of the widow, the misbegotton one, the one
> who considers himself to be god, Ialdabaoth, Sabaoth.
What? The son of a widow is "misbegotten" ? Then there are alot of bastard
children out there.
> How did he know that - give him the secret sign? The secret word?
> The secret handshake? Why so many secrets for a "fraternity" that
> claims it is not a secret society?
It is not a secret society, dummy. How do you think you know about it? The
"secrets" are so that Masons can identify other Masons.
> So am I." As we talked, he told
> > me of an experience he had years ago. It seems that he joined the
> > Masonic Fraternity shortly after he became 21 years old. When he was
> > stationed in the military, he decided to attend various Lodge
> > meetings.
>
> Very helpful with promotions the core of "working the craft", mutual
> backscratching. Non-masons call it corruption.
That sort of thing doesn't happen, but you are free to believe whatever lies
you want to.
>> On his first visit to a Lodge in a strange city, he was a bit nervous.
>> One thought was constantly in his mind; could he pass the examination
>> to show that he was a Mason? As the committee was carefully examining
>> his credentials, one of the members looked him squarely in the eye and
>> said:
>> "Obviously you know the Ritual, so you can enter our Lodge as a
>> Brother Mason. But I have one more question. Where were you made a
>> Mason?"
>
> Not a very trusting and benevolant lot are they, kind of like the
> way criminals act. You're sure your not a cop ? I wonder what they
> are hiding ?
They are making sure that idiots like you don't get in, why else?
>>With that he told the young visitor to think about it because
>> when he knew the answer the examiner would not have to hear it. He
>> would see it in his eyes. My friend told me that after a couple of
>> minutes a big smile came to his face and he looked at the examiner,
>> who said: "That's right, in your heart."
>
> Should make the Joker happy, he's rather a jealous fellow.
What? Try making some sense when you make a comment.
>> "Through Masonic teachings, good men practice love and charity. As a
>> Fraternity they spend millions of dollars..."
>
> Of course no "outsider" (which they derisively call Cowans) may
> access their finanical "dealings" to verify this. Sort of like
> the way John Gotti was always helping out the neighbourhood.
Sort of the way any corporation doesn't let any "outsider" access their
financial records.
>> Freemasonry is not a religion though,
>
> Yes it is.
Prove it. Stop pulling out your little dictionary quotes and prove it.
Prove that Masonry is a religion by researching the subject, formulating a
thesis, and carefully wording your arguements. I believe that you are far
from being intelligent enough to do this, so I won't hold my breath waiting
for your essay.
>> in my experience, Masons have
>> predominately been religious men
>
> Don't tell the residents of a city that has the dubious pleasure
> of hosting a Shriner's convention (mind you the hookers and
> bartenders are rather pleased).
What a man does is his own business. Only he has to deal with whatever
punishement he will receive. And the last time I checked, drinking alcohol
wasn't illegal.
> Just don't mention Jesus Christ inside a Masonic Lodge especially
> when during your initiation ritual when asked "to whom to you put
> your trust ?" If your respond Jesus Christ you will not be admitted
> into Freemasonry - the only acceptable response is The Great
> Architect of the Universe who they say is God, or simply God (who
> as everyone in the darkened room at the time knows is short for the
> Great Architect of the Universe).
> Don't say you put your faith in Jesus Christ - Oh no, not him!
> Christian faith indeed.
But that would exclude men of other faith. If only you could see how
intolerant you are being. Didn't Jesus teach tolerance? You seem to have
forgotten that.
>> Through Freemasonry, however, I have had opportunity
>> to break bread with good men of other than my own Christian faith.
>> Freemasonry does not promote any one religious creed.
>
> So christianity is on the same moral par with Baal worship and
> the Wican faith, splendid.
I don't know about those two (cause I'm not a nutcase like you who knows
about stuff like that). But Christianity is on par with Buddhism, Islam,
Judaism, Shinto, Zen Buddhism, and other major religions. But that's not
what the poster was saying. He was saying that he had met men of other
faith, and that these men were moral. Are you saying that all men who are
not Christians are not moral? Again, you are showing intolerance, wihle
Jesus himself taught tolerance.
>> All Masons
>> believe in the Deity without reservation.
>
> The deity? Um can you be a little more specific, what deity is that
> exactly ?
Any deity that they choose to believe in, Allah, God, Buddha, or whoever
else. I think "the deity of their choice" should have been used.
>> However, Masonry makes no
>> demands as to how a member thinks of the Great Architect of the
>> Universe.
>
> So if it makes no demands as to how a member
> thinks of the Great Architect one assumes it would be acceptable
> if a brother thought of him as a son of a *****. So much for the
> moral compass.
You should be a spin doctor in Washington. The poster meant that Masonry
makes no demands as to which god a member thinks is the GAOTU.
>> Freemasonry is, for all its members, a supplement to good living which
>> has enhanced the lives of millions who have entered its doors.
>
> Yes most Freemasons profit $$$$$ quite nicely from the craft.
My father, and the men of his lodge, have not made one cent from being
Masons.
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appeared in this post>
Learn to be tolerant of others as Jesus taught you to. "Let he who has not
sinned cast the first stone."
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>St. John The Sublime Reformer's logic is a peculiar system of morality,
>veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols; It is based on his
>three grand principles - Brotherly love, relief, and truth.
>
His closing statement really sounds Masonic, doesn't it. But, the rest of
his post describes his as an anti.
I guess he feels that (since we are close to the Feast of St John) he is
entitled to voice all of the half-baked tripe he posted (and I deleted,
since I didn't want to dignify it with reposting).
Maybe, after he is through celebrating, he can get his facts straight.
SCOTTY
Temujin87
>The 33rd Degree is a designation for the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and
>Accepted Scottish Rite whose Head Temple in Washington D.C. is
>known as the Mother Council of the World. A 33rd Degree holder
>can only join if asked to do so like the entire Scottish Rite.
Bullocks you shagger! The Mother is in still in Scotland, which is why it's the
SCOTTISH Rite:
>Albert Pike was also the inventor and founder of the Klu Klux Klan,
>writing all their rituals and manuals.
Another bald-faced lie: General Forrest was the first Grand Dragon of the Ku
Klux Klan, not the lack lustre Pike.
>Therefore "Reverend" Peale didn't join at all he simply became
>one like a levite priest would at his coming into manhood. Freemasonry
>is a religion and it is a Priesthood, a secret priesthood, whose deity
>is the Smithie of the World - Sakla.
>
Now, who spoon-fed you that drivel? It is descended from the Osirian mythos
descended through the ages of Palestine unto the form adopted during the
crusades.
>It begins with the son of the widow, the misbegotton one, the one
>who considers himself to be god, Ialdabaoth, Sabaoth.
I suppose, then, that you fail to see the Gnostic bridge from the earliest
froms of henotheistic Judaism to the adopted Masonic/Templar rite?
>The Shrine is for holders of the 32nd degree of Scottish Rite
>Freemasonry plus Mark Masonry. It is a "diverting a discourse term"
>for its full and proper name The Ancient and Noble Order of Knights
>of the Mystic Shrine (the Kabba stone at Mecca, most sacred spot in
>Islam).
The actual stone in the Kabba is made of meteoric iron, discovered in the
desert and proclaimed a sign from Allah.
>So christianity is on the same moral par with Baal worship
Which is the Urheit of the religion of the pre-davidic Israelite kings...
>Horses**t. The word sacrament is simply Latin for secret. Freemasonry
>is a society with secrets (and a secret society)
???!!! Sacra-mens. "Holy-minded"
Try reviewing Latin, dude.
BTW: Religion: Res Legis: "Will of Law"
>What faith would that be exactly?
That would be "fidelis"