suffering

[dale]

What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
suffering.

Here is one that makes some sense to me ...

“You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.”

Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth



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[David Dalton]

On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
(in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):

I think saying that “I am one with the universe” is stupid. I am
a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily
imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness
of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And
I believe that the universe was conscious long before the
human species was around.

Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.

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[David Dalton]

On Nov 29, 2019, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2391AAA503...@news.eternal-september.org>):

> On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
> (in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):
>
> > What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
> > suffering.
> >
> > Here is one that makes some sense to me ...
> >
> > “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
> > of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
> > universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.”
> >
> > Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth
>
> I think saying that “I am one with the universe” is stupid. I am
> a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily
> imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness
> of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And
> I believe that the universe was conscious long before the
> human species was around.

Saying that “I am one with the universe” can be related to
the belief by some Wiccans that their Goddess and
Horned God are female and male aspects of The All
and other gods and goddesses are aspects of the
Goddess and Horned God. Though I am a neopagan,
I don’t subscribe to that view, but believe that many
gods and goddesses once lived as humans and
are not merely facets of The All. Also I don’t believe
that a subset of The All counts as an aspect of The All.

> Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
> my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.

I just downloaded a new list of groups from Eternal September
and it does include free.metaphysics, but not alt.metaphysics,
talk.philosophy.metaphysics, or alt.religion.pantheism.

Also alt.buddha.short.fat.guy has a lot more traffic than
alt.religion.buddhism .

[dale]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:06:05 -0330, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
>(in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):
>
>> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
>> suffering.
>>
>> Here is one that makes some sense to me ...
>>
>> “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
>> of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
>> universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.”
>>
>> Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth
>
>I think saying that “I am one with the universe” is stupid. I am
>a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily
>imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness
>of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And
>I believe that the universe was conscious long before the
>human species was around.
>
>Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
>my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.

got talk.religion.pantheism wrong ...

[dale]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:17:33 -0330, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
wrote:

I think femininity has to be in there somewhere.

Here are some of my present thinking in terms of Vedanta ...

panentheism - Dvaita?
pantheism - Adviata?

the meaning of the brush strokes of the symbol Om could be applied
both ways?

>
>> Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
>> my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.
>

my bad, I got the group name wrong

>I just downloaded a new list of groups from Eternal September
>and it does include free.metaphysics, but not alt.metaphysics,
>talk.philosophy.metaphysics, or alt.religion.pantheism.
>

same here

I use altopia with e-s as my backup

>Also alt.buddha.short.fat.guy has a lot more traffic than
>alt.religion.buddhism .

a happy Buddha is great, will add that group

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MyNews_Hot-Text wrote:
Here You See That Eckhart Tolle Is Just A Player Of Words

Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

This book can be borrowed for 14 days
I See It Have Two Chapter With 42 Pages
< https://archive.org/details/newearthawakenin00toll_0 >

Mr. Dale Kelly

"Univresal Metaphysics"
By John Clark
That That Explain The Play On Words
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Is The Title Of This Subject
Grammatically Correct?

"Dale" wrote:
>
> What are the metaphysics that explain
> suffering and an ending of suffering.

Yes It's Correct To The Subject

Dale" wrote Eckhart Tolle Said

> the universe is becoming conscious of itself

But Not The Answer
To The Metaphysic Question Of Suffering

<
https://metaphysicalperegrine.blogspot.com/2010/05/queston-of-suffering.html
>
~ In The Last Paragraph
~ In The Webpage
~ Steven L Dexter wrote:
~ On Saturday, May 1, 2010
~
~ Is there an answer to why we suffer?
~
~ Not really.
~ We can know, that the suffering is shared;
~ by God, by friends and loved ones.
~ There's comfort in that,
~ and that's the most we can have,
~ at least for now.

Hot-Text wrote:
The Metaphysic Question Of
The Ending Of Suffering

Christ Says
A few Will Be Save
Out Of The Fire

All The Other Will Be
Going To Suffer For Eternity

The Metaphysic OF Approved,
2 TIMOTHY 2:15

[MyNews Hot-Text]

"MyNews Hot-Text"
wrote in message news:qrsgjf$2n8$1...@dont-email.me...

> "Dale" wrote in message
> news:963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com...
>>
>> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering
>> and an ending of suffering.
>>

Timeless Question
Regardless Of
When Or Why
The Question Of Suffering

Explain All The Way
To The End Of
The Two Worlds
Of This Life
We Live In

Are World
Where One Feel The Pain Of Misery
One Suffer With Tears Of Sorrow

Or One Feel The Pain Of Happiness
One Suffer With Tears Of Joy

So Suffering. Is Timeless
All Things Suffer In This Old World
Be It Good Are Bad

I'll Have More On This Subject Too

'Spiritual' Pain
There Is No Misery
In The Life Of The Other
Old World

For The "Spirits"
Are From 'Nothing'

"Its" [They] Feel No Pain
In This Time And Place

In The New Life
There Will Be
Two New Worlds

All Get Spirits & Humans Will
Get A New Everlasting Body
To Be Send To The World Just
Made For Them

One World Will Be Suffering
Of .A Endless Joy
The Other Will Be Suffering.
Of A Endless Misery

As The Old Saying Go's
You Get That
Which You Give

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~ [Chorus:]
~ You've got the music in you
~ Don't let go
~ You've got the music in you
~ One dance left
~
~ This world is gonna pull through
~
~ Don't give up
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~
~ Can't forget
~ We only get what we give
~
~ [Unsaid lyrics from liner]
~ Championed by a soulless
~ media misleading
~
~ People unaware they're bleeding
~ No one with a brain is believing

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~ Never knew it anyway
~ Human natures so predictable
~
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[David Dalton]

On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
(in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):

> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
> suffering.

Suffering is a sign that if possible within your moral guidelines
that you need to change something to eliminate or minimize
the suffering. For example if you experience pain when you
place your hand near a hot stove, you should move your
hand away. And that applies both to your own suffering and
the suffering of others (i.e. you may be able to change something
to eliminate or minimize the suffering of others).

[dale]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:59:24 -0330, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
>(in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):
>
>> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
>> suffering.
>
>Suffering is a sign that if possible within your moral guidelines
>that you need to change something to eliminate or minimize
>the suffering. For example if you experience pain when you
>place your hand near a hot stove, you should move your
>hand away. And that applies both to your own suffering and
>the suffering of others (i.e. you may be able to change something
>to eliminate or minimize the suffering of others).

What about whole populations that suffer do to poverty,etc.?

I know The Buddha, in the four nobel truths says suffering is rooted
in craving ... could this be related to "the human condition"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_condition#Some_perspectives

[Surrender the Name]

On 11/30/2019 3:56 PM, dale wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:59:24 -0330, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
>> (in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
>>> suffering.
>>
>> Suffering is a sign that if possible within your moral guidelines
>> that you need to change something to eliminate or minimize
>> the suffering. For example if you experience pain when you
>> place your hand near a hot stove, you should move your
>> hand away. And that applies both to your own suffering and
>> the suffering of others (i.e. you may be able to change something
>> to eliminate or minimize the suffering of others).
>
> What about whole populations that suffer do to poverty,etc.?

There are basic human needs; air, water, food, sleep. Then also
consider that death impending is not an enemy but a friend, the
ultimate answer to suffering, and the ultimate end to that suffering,
yet death is not death, but a step up in evolution and consciousness.

>
> I know The Buddha, in the four nobel truths says suffering is rooted
> in craving ... could this be related to "the human condition"?

I would say yes. Not everyone is able to detach themselves from
the basic needs that keep the body alive.


>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_condition#Some_perspectives
>
>
>

[Rod]

On 11/30/2019 3:56 PM, dale wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:59:24 -0330, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
>> (in article<963utel6hseu75re2...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
>>> suffering.
>>
>> Suffering is a sign that if possible within your moral guidelines
>> that you need to change something to eliminate or minimize
>> the suffering. For example if you experience pain when you
>> place your hand near a hot stove, you should move your
>> hand away. And that applies both to your own suffering and
>> the suffering of others (i.e. you may be able to change something
>> to eliminate or minimize the suffering of others).
>
> What about whole populations that suffer do to poverty,etc.?
>
> I know The Buddha, in the four nobel truths says suffering is rooted
> in craving ... could this be related to "the human condition"?
>

Craving, wanting and many times need, but ones life does not depend
on wanting or craving as it does with need.