The Iraqi Children.
Cashjlac
Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt? How are
their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves will the
US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise like so
many before?
Man's Best Friend
Yeah, we promised to rebuild Eastern Europe after the NATO bombings in
1999. Hasn't happened. So there's no reason to believe the U.S. will
do any different.
The psychological scars of this war will be bourne for many decades to
come. Also, Islamist youth will be inspired to further Jihad against
the West. Could "Operation Avenging Sword" be close at hand?
MBF
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Yeah, we promised to rebuild Eastern Europe after the NATO bombings in
> 1999. Hasn't happened. So there's no reason to believe the U.S. will
> do any different.
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA):
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/index.html
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children of
As many as 5000 Iraqi children die EVERY MONTH as a direct result of
economic sanctions. Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright
declared, "We think the price is worth it."
Recommended resources:
Book: _Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War_ by
Anthony Arnove (Editor)
Video: "Paying the Price: Killing the Children of Iraq" by John Pilger
Derek Juhl
Jim Cub 3D
>As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children of
>Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
We may never know. I'm shocked that I believe this, but it looks like there's
a concerted effort to praise the "precision" of the precision bombing. Was
listening the CBS radio this afternoon, and they wanted to switch for a while
to Sky Network (?) from Britain. The anchor there asked the reporter about
civiclian casualties in today's massive bombing. WHOOPS! CBS took it right
back and started talking about southern Iraq. Later, this yahoo on the local
station does this whole spiel about how Cadillac can pinpoint your car's exact
location, and the military GPS that guides the bombs is so much more
sophisticated - so obviously they only hit military targets **and there have
been NO civilian casualties. None! 10,000 bombs and missiles fell on a city of
5 million today, and not one civilian was hurt! Isn't that amazing? I'm
personally shocked and awed.
Anyway, point is, it's starting to look like the plan is to convey the message
that We Are All Good And Everything Is Fine.
Jim
Bluediamondforme
From: dere...@netscape.net (Derek N.P.F. Juhl)
Date: 2113Mar2003 6:03 PM
Message-id: <35f999f2.0303...@posting.google.com>
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/index.html
Derek Juhl
>
>Excellent link Derek. Everyone should look at this site.
Bridgett
>>
Bluediamondforme
Message-id: <35f999f2.03032...@posting.google.com>
Recommended resources:
Derek Juhl
>
>What can be said to these comments of "Albright's"?
>Comments like that make me ashamed to call myself
>an American.
>>
Akira
> that We Are All Good And Everything Is Fine.
> Jim
Reminds me of the SS cult propaganda
Akira
Cody
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
This hypocritical stuff coming from the person who posted this sick joke:
From: Cashjlac (cash...@aol.com)
Subject: just for laughs....
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Star Trek
> >
> > The Iraqi Ambassador to the UN has just finished giving a speech,
> > and walks out into the lobby where he meets President Bush.
> >
> > They shake hands and, after a brief chat about world affairs, the Iraqi
says,
> > "I have a question that I think perhaps you can answer."
> >
> > President Bush says, "Well, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
I'll do my best."
> >
> > The Iraqi ambassador continues, "My son watches this show 'Star Trek'
> > and in it there are Russians, Blacks and Asians, but never any Arabs.
He
> > is very upset. He doesn't understand why there are never any Arabs in
> > Star Trek."
> >
> > President Bush laughs, leans toward the Iraqi,
> > and whispers,"It's because it takes place in the future...."
Give us a break with your "concern", Cash.
Cody
Xxxoooxxxooo123
Date: 2213Mar2003 8:38 AM
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"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
> As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children of
> Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
How are
> their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
> comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
> families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves will
the
> US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise like
so
> many before?
This hypocritical stuff coming from the person who posted this sick joke:
>
>You are the only sick hypocrite here Cody. <
From: Cashjlac (cash...@aol.com)
Subject: just for laughs....
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Date: 2003-02-13 23:03:41 PST
Star Trek
> >
> > The Iraqi Ambassador to the UN has just finished giving a speech,
> > and walks out into the lobby where he meets President Bush.
> >
> > They shake hands and, after a brief chat about world affairs, the Iraqi
says,
> > "I have a question that I think perhaps you can answer."
> >
> > President Bush says, "Well, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
I'll do my best."
> >
> > The Iraqi ambassador continues, "My son watches this show 'Star Trek'
> > and in it there are Russians, Blacks and Asians, but never any Arabs.
He
> > is very upset. He doesn't understand why there are never any Arabs in
> > Star Trek."
> >
> > President Bush laughs, leans toward the Iraqi,
> > and whispers,"It's because it takes place in the future...."
Give us a break with your "concern", Cash.
Cody
>
>Do you have a problem with my concern for the children of Iraq? Are you
saying I can only be concerned with non-iraqi children? We haven't heard one
word about YOUR concern for these children or any one else in Iraq. Where is
it?
>>
Cody
"Xxxoooxxxooo123" <xxxooox...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> << Subject: Re: The Iraqi Children.
> From: "Cody" Iwant...@atall.com
> Date: 2213Mar2003 8:38 AM
> Message-id: <Zj0fa.2855$qF6.2...@news.ono.com>
>
>
> "Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children
of
> > Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
> How are
> > their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
> > comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
> > families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves
will
> the
> > US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise like
> so
> > many before?
>
> This hypocritical stuff coming from the person who posted this sick joke:
> >
> >You are the only sick hypocrite here Cody. <
LOL!
Cody
Xxxoooxxxooo123
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"Xxxoooxxxooo123" <xxxooox...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> << Subject: Re: The Iraqi Children.
> From: "Cody" Iwant...@atall.com
> Date: 2213Mar2003 8:38 AM
> Message-id: <Zj0fa.2855$qF6.2...@news.ono.com>
>
>
> "Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children
of
> > Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
> How are
> > their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
> > comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
> > families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves
will
> the
> > US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise like
> so
> > many before?
>
> This hypocritical stuff coming from the person who posted this sick joke:
> >
> >You are the only sick hypocrite here Cody. <
LOL!
Cody
>
>So Cody, where is your concern for these children? We are waiting. Do you
have any?
Cody
Nice try, changing the subject, but no cigar. You're the one that posted the
joke about how all the arabs in the world will be dead in the future, not
me.
Cody
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> We may never know. I'm shocked that I believe this, but it looks like there's
> a concerted effort to praise the "precision" of the precision bombing. Was
> listening the CBS radio this afternoon, and they wanted to switch for a while
> to Sky Network (?) from Britain. The anchor there asked the reporter about
> civiclian casualties in today's massive bombing. WHOOPS! CBS took it right
> back and started talking about southern Iraq. Later, this yahoo on the local
> station does this whole spiel about how Cadillac can pinpoint your car's exact
> location, and the military GPS that guides the bombs is so much more
> sophisticated - so obviously they only hit military targets **and there have
> been NO civilian casualties. None! 10,000 bombs and missiles fell on a city of
> 5 million today, and not one civilian was hurt! Isn't that amazing? I'm
> personally shocked and awed.
>
> Anyway, point is, it's starting to look like the plan is to convey the message
> that We Are All Good And Everything Is Fine.
No US apology over wedding bombing
Afghans claim 40 killed, 100 hurt, prompting Karzai to confront
American officials in Kabul
Luke Harding, South Asia correspondent
Wednesday July 3, 2002
The Guardian
US military officials in Afghanistan have refused to apologise
following the mistaken bombing of an Afghan wedding party on Monday
which killed at least 30 people, insisting that aircraft had come
under sustained and hostile fire. The incident prompted the Afghan
president, Hamid Karzai, to summon US military chiefs to his office
and demand "all necessary measures" be taken "not to harm innocent
Afghan civilians".
Afghans claim the wedding guests, who were celebrating near Deh Rawud
village, in the mountainous province of Oruzgan, north of Kandahar,
had been firing into the air - a Pashtun wedding tradition - when
American planes struck.
But a US spokesman claimed yesterday that the shooting was "not
consistent" with a wedding, saying that the planes had come under
attack.
"Normally when you think of celebratory fire... it's random, it's
sprayed, it's not directed at a specific target," said Colonel Roger
King at the US airbase at Bagram. "In this instance, the people on
board the aircraft felt that the weapons were tracking them and were
[trying] to engage them."
The US planes - including a B-52 bomber and an AC-130 helicopter
gunship - dropped seven 2,000lb bombs, he added.
His unapologetic tone, after one of the worst blunders of the US-led
coalition's nine-month war in Afghanistan will infuriate locals, who
said most of the dead were women and children. At least 40 others were
injured.
Last night a US soldier was shot in the foot as an American military
convoy returning from the hospital in Kandahar where wedding party
victims were being treated came under fire. Col King said the wounded
soldier was taken to the US base at Kandahar airport. Afghans
travelling with the convoy returned fire but it was not known if they
hit any targets.
In Washington, the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said of the
bombing that any loss of innocent lives was a tragedy, but said he
would not know what had happened until the Afghan and US investigators
had reported. "I read in the paper there was a wedding," Mr Rumsfeld
said. "I just don't know the facts."
US troops appear to have been carrying out a major search for Mullah
Omar, the Taliban's fugitive leader.
The Afghan foreign minister, Abdullah Abdullah, said that 40 people,
all civilians, had died, and that a further 100 were wounded.
"In one village, there was a wedding party... a whole family of 25
people. No single person was left alive. This is the extent of the
damage," he said.
Raaz Mohammad, an official at the Oruzgan governor's office in the
provincial capital, Tarin Kowt, also put the death toll as high as 40.
The Pentagon has admitted that one of its bombs was "errant" and
missed the target, but has refused to confirm that a missile hit the
wedding party.
American confusion is compounded by the fact that it is unclear which
plane was involved. The Pentagon confirmed that a B-52 bomber did drop
seven "precision guided weapons" on a cave complex, one of which
missed the target. But the US claims this hit an empty hillside. That
still leaves questions about the AC-130 gunship that returned what was
claimed to be anti-aircraft fire.
Mr Rumsfeld said he knew of no casualties, other than four "young
people" brought by their father to a US base, who were then
helicoptered to Kandahar for treatment. He did hint that al-Qaida
training manuals gave advice on how to discredit the US in situations
like this but added: "I have no reason to believe that is the case
this time."
Col King said the incident occurred during an operation to track down
wanted Taliban or al-Qaida personnel, arms and documents.
He said: "The US government extends its deepest sympathies to those
who may have lost loved ones or who may have suffered any injuries.
Coalition military forces take extraordinary measures to protect
against civilian casualties."
US forces killed 15 people in the same province in January in a
firefight which they later admitted was "ill-advised".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html
Derek Juhl
Mark P.
wrote:
>> As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children of
>> Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
>How are
>> their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
>> comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
>> families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves will
>the
>> US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise like
>so
>> many before?
>
The people are now coming out onto the streets more and more
because they have witnessed the accuray of the bombings which have
given them some peace of mind that the US is not out to get them.
Mark Porter
Others read the Lotus Sutra with their mouths alone,
reading only the words, but do not read it with their
hearts. And even if they read it with their hearts,
they do not read it with their actions.
Cody
"Mark P." <nosp...@perltng.com> wrote
> On 22 Mar 2003 18:18:17 GMT, xxxooox...@aol.com (Xxxoooxxxooo123)
> wrote:
>
> >> As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children
of
> >> Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
> >How are
> >> their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
> >> comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
> >> families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves
will
> >the
> >> US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise
like
> >so
> >> many before?
They have oil, which, the coalition forces have so far saved from being
torched. This will provide the money for rebuilding, although I am sure some
US and the Willing companies will get some juicy reconstruction contracts.
> >
>
> The people are now coming out onto the streets more and more
> because they have witnessed the accuray of the bombings which have
> given them some peace of mind that the US is not out to get them.
>
>
> Mark Porter
I'll be more impressed when the Muslims of Saddam's ruling sect start
surrendering like the Imperial Guard. The ones surrendering now are of
another sect and have never had any love for the Saddam regime.
Cody
Bluediamondforme
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Cody
>
>Oh, o.k now I get it. So I can presume correctly then that you have no
respect for women, including but not limited to your wife and daughters.
Since, according to you, I am a hypocrite because I posted a joke someone
posted to me that makes any concern I have for these children hypocritical.
So, after all the jokes you have posted about or responded to that Bratcher
posted last year about the kotectai and myself, we can now presume correctly
that you have no respect for women, including as I said your wife and
daughters.?
I am so glad I don't practice with Nichiren Shoshu. If, and I haven't seen
much evidence that you are not, you are any indication of the quality of
membership to be found there I'll stick with SGI. It may not be a perfect
orginization but it's a hell of alot better than what your's presents.
Bluediamondforme
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"Mark P." <nosp...@perltng.com> wrote
> On 22 Mar 2003 18:18:17 GMT, xxxooox...@aol.com (Xxxoooxxxooo123)
> wrote:
>
> >> As I sit here watching the bombing of Iraq my mind goes to the children
of
> >> Iraq. I wonder how afraid they are? Are they crying? Are they hurt?
> >How are
> >> their parents, who are as innocent as the japanese people were in WW2,
> >> comforting their children? How long will the nightmare go on for these
> >> families? Hours, days, weeks, months.? And when the military leaves
will
> >the
> >> US honor it's promise to rebuild Iraq or will we break that promise
like
> >so
> >> many before?
They have oil, which, the coalition forces have so far saved from being
torched. This will provide the money for rebuilding, although I am sure some
US and the Willing companies will get some juicy reconstruction contracts.
>
>Not quite accurate. Some oil fields have been burned although a very, very
small number. However, the US has a long standing history of not fulfilling
their promises to other people and Nations. We shall have to see how it plays
out.<
Jim Cub 3D
>Nice try, changing the subject, but no cigar. You're the one that posted the
>joke about how all the arabs in the world will be dead in the future, not
>me.
>
>Cody
Oh, come on Michael, don't be so transparanetly deliberate in your attacks on
an SGI (?) member. The name of the thread you have chosen to enter is "The
Iraqi Children". Craig tried to change the subject by posting a joke Cash may
once have told, which is, after all, a joke.
So it was Craig who originally chenged the subject, and now you've been asked
to return to it (as everyone but you and Craig is doing). Instead you accuse
Cash of "evasion" when he's asking you to be on topic. Transparent.
If you don't want to enter into a discussion of "Iraqi children", that may be
understandable - it's a war, after all, and its hard to balance. But if you
don't want to talk about Iraqi children, don't enter into a discussion entitled
"Iraqi children"
Jim
Cody
"Jim Cub 3D" <jimc...@aol.com> wrote
I thought you were a radio announcer and Editor of Living Buddhism, not the
usenet police. On this board people can post whatever they want in whatever
thread. This isn't Will's SGI board or the Zadankai board as you well know.
Bridgett posted this thread. I quoted her sick racist joke to question her
sincerity, that's all. What do you want to discuss regarding Iraqi children
with me, Jim? I'm all ears.
Cody
Mark P.
wrote:
>I'll be more impressed when the Muslims of Saddam's ruling sect start
>surrendering like the Imperial Guard. The ones surrendering now are of
>another sect and have never had any love for the Saddam regime.
>
Hussein is dead or dying right now, along with Tariq Aziz, his
sons, and top leadership. It is apparent from some low level minister
now getting on TV to stall while the rest of them figure out how to
get out of the country. Its not going to be long and they will all
leave.
Jim Cub 3D
>I thought you were a radio announcer and Editor of Living Buddhism, not the
>usenet police. On this board people can post whatever they want in whatever
>thread. This isn't Will's SGI board or the Zadankai board as you well know.
And that precludes me from asking for an honest dialogue instead of your
misrepresentations and attacks?
BTW, I have no position in Living Buddhism.And in the 4 or 5 years I did, I
think I submitted one article. It was, ironically enought, about dialogue.
>Bridgett posted this thread. I quoted her sick racist joke to question her
>sincerity, that's all.
Boy, you see sick racism under every bed, don't you? I think it's more that
when you see an SGI sympathizer posting something, you have to change the
subject to an attack on her because she's an SGI sympathizer.
What do you want to discuss regarding Iraqi children
>with me, Jim? I'm all ears.
>
>Cody
I already posted something on topic - I don't think we're gonna be allowed to
know how many Iraqi children are hurt in the war. Want something new? Okay.
The world may be a better, safer place is Saddam is dead. Is it a better,
safer place because Iraqi kids -- and adult civilians, and Marines, British
soldiers, Australian photographers, and Kurds -- are dead? Because no matter
how presision precision bombing might be, you don't have a war and kill only
one person.
Jim
Cody
"Jim Cub 3D" <jimc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030323002550...@mb-fa.aol.com...
> >
> >I thought you were a radio announcer and Editor of Living Buddhism, not
the
> >usenet police. On this board people can post whatever they want in
whatever
> >thread. This isn't Will's SGI board or the Zadankai board as you well
know.
>
> And that precludes me from asking for an honest dialogue instead of your
> misrepresentations and attacks?
What misrepresentations and attacks? Can you quote one? Opinion stated as
fact doesn't cut it with me, Jim.
>
> BTW, I have no position in Living Buddhism.And in the 4 or 5 years I did,
I
> think I submitted one article. It was, ironically enought, about
dialogue.
OK, I will no longer refer to you as the Midwest Editor. Sorry you lost your
job. Are you going to spend millions in revenge like Ikeda has for losing
his job?
>
> >Bridgett posted this thread. I quoted her sick racist joke to question
her
> >sincerity, that's all.
>
> Boy, you see sick racism under every bed, don't you?
That joke is racist using almost anyone's standard except the KKK.
> I think it's more that
> when you see an SGI sympathizer posting something, you have to change the
> subject to an attack on her because she's an SGI sympathizer.
Well, you're wrong. Racisim is racisim. Had a Hokkeko member posted it, my
reaction would be the same. Take a look at some of my responses to Mercia, a
Hokkeko member if you don't believe me.
>
> What do you want to discuss regarding Iraqi children
> >with me, Jim? I'm all ears.
> >
> >Cody
>
> I already posted something on topic - I don't think we're gonna be allowed
to
> know how many Iraqi children are hurt in the war. <
And you are surprised?
> Want something new? Okay.
> The world may be a better, safer place is Saddam is dead. Is it a better,
> safer place because Iraqi kids -- and adult civilians, and Marines,
British
> soldiers, Australian photographers, and Kurds -- are dead? Because no mat
ter
> how presision precision bombing might be, you don't have a war and kill
only
> one person.
> Jim
The world will be a better place when we have kosen rufu. Until then,
realize you live in the Latter Day and our mission is to do shakubuku. Will
the world be better off because the USA has the highest murder rate in the
world with Washinton D.C. holding first place? Will the world be better off
because the USA has the highest rate of homeless in the "free world"?
It's a crazy, fucked up world, Jim, and the key to changing it is not
pointing at the environment but changing ourselves through Buddhist practise
and encouraging others to do the same.
Cody
Cody
"Mark P." <nosp...@perltng.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:05:30 GMT, "Cody" <Iwant...@atall.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >I'll be more impressed when the Muslims of Saddam's ruling sect start
> >surrendering like the Imperial Guard. The ones surrendering now are of
> >another sect and have never had any love for the Saddam regime.
> >
>
> Hussein is dead or dying right now, along with Tariq Aziz, his
> sons, and top leadership. It is apparent from some low level minister
> now getting on TV to stall while the rest of them figure out how to
> get out of the country. Its not going to be long and they will all
> leave.
>
>
> Mark Porter
I hope so. The sooner this war is over, the better.
Cody
Jim Cub 3D
>The world will be a better place when we have kosen rufu. Until then,
>realize you live in the Latter Day and our mission is to do shakubuku. Will
>the world be better off because the USA has the highest murder rate in the
>world with Washinton D.C. holding first place? Will the world be better off
>because the USA has the highest rate of homeless in the "free world"?
>
>It's a crazy, fucked up world, Jim, and the key to changing it is not
>pointing at the environment but changing ourselves through Buddhist practise
>and encouraging others to do the same.
>
>Cody
Well, we agree on something, even though you and I disagree on what is "correct
Buddhist practice". Last Sunday, two meetings I went to had a total of six
guests. That night I went to a candleight vigil. Interesting contrast. The
vigil was mostly symbolic (obviously, in light of what's happened since last
Sunday). OTOH, if even two of the guests start chanting, it will have a
profound andlong lasting effect on the world.
At the same token, those qualities we hope to develop through Buddhist practice
are nothing but human attributes. So I think it is worthwhile to participate
in forums and activities meant to engender compassion, forebearance,
consideration, etc.
And btw, my position with LB was not a "job". It, like just about everything
done by 99.9 percent of SGI members, was voluntary. That's why I could get
away with 1 article in five years.
Jim
Cody
> >
> >The world will be a better place when we have kosen rufu. Until then,
> >realize you live in the Latter Day and our mission is to do shakubuku.
Will
> >the world be better off because the USA has the highest murder rate in
the
> >world with Washinton D.C. holding first place? Will the world be better
off
> >because the USA has the highest rate of homeless in the "free world"?
> >
> >It's a crazy, fucked up world, Jim, and the key to changing it is not
> >pointing at the environment but changing ourselves through Buddhist
practise
> >and encouraging others to do the same.
> >
> >Cody
>
> Well, we agree on something, even though you and I disagree on what is
"correct
> Buddhist practice". Last Sunday, two meetings I went to had a total of
six
> guests. That night I went to a candleight vigil. Interesting contrast.
The
> vigil was mostly symbolic (obviously, in light of what's happened since
last
> Sunday). OTOH, if even two of the guests start chanting, it will have a
> profound andlong lasting effect on the world.
It would be nice if they were chanting with Nichiren Shoshu, not the Ikeda
SGI cult. Expanding the Ikeda SGI cult is not a cause for world peace but an
act of slander towards the Daishonin's Buddhism.
>
> At the same token, those qualities we hope to develop through Buddhist
practice
> are nothing but human attributes. So I think it is worthwhile to
participate
> in forums and activities meant to engender compassion, forebearance,
> consideration, etc.
Not true change. I participate on many other forums not related to either
Buddhism or religion and try to get people to chant. I have got a few to
start doing that.
>
> And btw, my position with LB was not a "job". It, like just about
everything
> done by 99.9 percent of SGI members, was voluntary. That's why I could
get
> away with 1 article in five years.
> Jim
Yeah, Ikeda *does* have a lot of people working for him for free. Funny
thing is, Ikeda gets all the money, paid for awards, phony paid for degrees,
etc., not the unpaid workers.
Must be Ikeda's "compassion".
Cody
deejay
that although this current surgery is painful and scary, it removes the cancer
of Saddam which would torture and kill hundreds of thousands of those children
as they grow up
Liberate Iraq!
Xxxoooxxxooo123
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>You, Michael Cody are a lying hypocrite. Mercia doesn't count because you
don't like her but I bet if Craig Bratcher posted it you wouldn't have said a
word. Sorry if you took offense at my little joke, so many others laughed like
crazy but hey your entitled to your sense of humor. Somehow though, I doubt
you were really offended by it. Just another thing for you to latch onto and
attack me with.
Xxxoooxxxooo123
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Cody
>
>
>Every single thing I have ever done in or for SGI has brought me more back in
my life than I ever put out.
>>
Mercia
"Cody" <Iwant...@atall.com> wrote in message
news:4Hgfa.7797$qF6.2...@news.ono.com...
>
> I hope so. The sooner this war is over, the better.
>
> Cody
>
>
Funny thing that, the responsibility starts with one person. Oh Great One,
you sure must have been selected by the Daishonin to resolve all our world
problems.
Mercia
Mark P.
wrote:
>I hope so. The sooner this war is over, the better.
>
According to todays news the tapes of Hussein that are being
run right now contain a portion that specifiaclly mentions the 51st
Iraqi division, applauding them. Unfortunately, this division
surrendered before the tape was released. This seems to confirm that
these tapes were pre-recorded, indicating that Hussein is either dead
or seriously injured.
MarcInMD
begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the
clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we
here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so
dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me,
give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry
dc
And Patrick Henry dies on his plantation of Cancer----so he must have gotten
his wish.
With all the noble proclamations for freedom in history, there is still no
free will to transcend suffering.
dc
Akira
News Analysis:
Scott Ritter: Former U.N. Weapons Inspector and 'Talking Head'
Pedophile Talks at Wellesley
By Georgia Pellegrini '03
March 17, 2003
Former chief U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter spoke at Wellesley on
March 4 as the keynote speaker for Wellesley's political activism
week.
The theme was: "Come on Baby Light My Fire. Sparking social change
through activism."
"I am a white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant male," he began "which on this
campus is something more loathed than embraced." This would be
Ritter's only truthful statement of the evening.
After receiving groans from the audience in response, he quickly
returned to their favor by launching into an arrant attack on the
United States government. Ritter struck a scholarly pose throughout
the evening as he assiduously attempted to draw a parallel between
President Bush and Adolf Hitler, carrying the argument so far as to
declare that the equivalent of the Nuremburg trials would soon await
the United States government.
This assertion was sprung on the audience only after Ritter spent a
good ten minutes discussing the merits and values of our great
democracy. Last time I checked, a democracy such as ours has never
waged a war of ethnic cleansing in its homeland. No matter. According
to Ritter, the U.S. government is not only a Nazi regime, but will
soon be committing war crimes dramatic enough to merit trials in a
world court. All present-day S.S. officers take cover!
This was only the first in an evening of lavish contradictions and
flat out inaccuracies served up by Mr. Ritter.
"Iraq is an outlaw state," Ritter divulged, with a "brutal dictator."
Yet Ritter contends in his documentary project "Endgame: Closing the
File on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction," that it is the United
Nations' economic sanctions, and not the dictator, who is responsible
for the death of more than 1.2 million Iraqis.
What Ritter failed to mention is that even though Iraq claims its
people are malnourished as a result of sanctions, it actually exports
food to other nations. Coalition ships enforcing the UN sanctions
against Iraq recently diverted the ship M/V MINIMARE containing 2,000
metric tons of rice and other material being exported from Iraq for
hard currency.
Moreover, thanks to the oil-for-food program, the people of Iraq,
especially those in the north, are getting needed foods and medicines.
The program would be even more effective if the Iraqi regime were to
cooperate. Iraqi obstruction of the oil-for-food program, not United
Nations sanctions, is the primary reason the Iraqi people are
suffering. Perhaps Ritter missed that when he was busy inspecting.
What Weapons?
When addressing the possibility of Iraq's weapons stockpile since
inspections in 1991, Ritter said "What weapons?" Soon after, however,
Ritter was discussing the numerous incidences during which his team
found evidence and took pictures of biological and chemical weapons
programs, including a program for the enrichment of uranium.
For inspections to work, Ritter said, two criteria must be met. One,
there must be the willing cooperation of the government. Two, there
has to be willing enforcement of any law passed.
Given that, as Ritter asserted, the Iraqis lied about their weapons
inventory through false declarations, denied entry to sites and fired
guns on inspectors attempting to photograph these sites, and U.N.
resolution 1441 (an international law) has been violated, it would
seem that Ritter was making an argument for war. But no! Ritter was
not. For two allegedly well-researched reasons: One, "We don't have
enough men to fight this war," and two, "War ain't a video game."
Well, Scott, I am pretty sure the veterans of America and the enlisted
men and women in our armed forces are well aware that war is not a
video game. And it is fair to assume that most folks know this too. As
for size, it does matter and not only does the U.S. military have
enough men to fight a war in Iraq, it has a technological capability
greater than the next ten largest countries combined.
Lied to American People
Later in the evening, Ritter proclaimed to an audience now ebullient
over his criticism of the establishment, "The government lied to the
American people!" He went on to say that Colin Powell lied not just to
the American people, but to the U.N. and the world in his presentation
on February 6. It was, he proclaimed, "theatrics!"
What evidence did Ritter give to support such a bold assertion? Well,
none. But he did mention in passing that he had been out of the U.S.
intelligence loop for four years. Huh?
On it went. "The ideology of the conservative slice is taking
advantage of the naļve people!" Ritter roared as leftist professors,
peaceniks and a rag tag collection of surrender monkeys lauded him
with a standing ovation. We should all take cover, the former
inspector proclaimed, because Führer Bush is going to wage war on a
country whose leader isn't all that bad. He only starves his people
and tests chemical weapons on them, violates numerous U.N.
resolutions, shoots at an international coalition of inspectors,
commits war crimes and holds imperialist ambitions for the Middle
East.
Perhaps it is time for Ritter to start using the Internet to do some
research rather than to solicit 14- and 16-year-old minors for a
rendezvous in diners. Apparently Internet sex-crimes are not as
offensive as war crimes to Ritter, or to his wife for that matter.
Saddam, 14-year-olds, Saddam, 14-year-olds … It is a hard call.
Akira
The New York Times
By C. J. CHIVERS
January 29, 2003
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq, Jan. 28 — A small group of Kurds gathered outside a
United Nations compound here today, voicing support for a war to
remove President Saddam Hussein from power but demanding international
help to protect Kurdish civilians from chemical or biological attacks.
The demonstration, which included several *survivors of *previous
*chemical *attacks by the *Iraqi *military, was modest in size and
subdued in tone.
The protesters simply stood quietly outside the compound, in a cold
rain, holding photographs of their injured and their dead. But the
undercurrent of support for war stood in relief to larger and more
strident demonstrations occurring in nations around the world.
"We want to change the Iraqi regime," said Dr. Fayaq Muhammad Golpi, a
surgeon and head of the Anti-Chemical Weapons Society of Kurdistan,
the nonprofit group that organized the event. "If this change is
peaceful, it would be better than if there was war. But the change is
necessary, even if this means fighting."
The demonstration also brought to the surface the persistent public
worry here about the Kurds' vulnerability to a chemical or biological
strike by Mr. Hussein.
Sulaimaniya, like the large Kurdish cities of Erbil and Dohuk, is a
short drive from Iraqi Army positions. As Kurds count down the days to
a war they expect to start soon, they know that this is a land
virtually without chemical protective gear, where medical supplies are
limited and specialized drugs to combat chemical injury are all but
nonexistent.
For example, there are nearly four million people in the region of
northern Iraq that is beyond the control of Mr. Hussein's government.
Recent tours of markets here found only about two dozen aging gas
masks for sale in Erbil, many with cracked eyepieces and almost all
with expired filters. In Sulaimaniya, merchants say a stock of about
200 masks sold out long ago.
It comes as little surprise, then, that Kurds express deep misgivings
about their fate at the hands of a desperate or vengeful President
Hussein if the United States attacks Iraq.
"We are afraid," said Muhammad Amin Abdullah, standing in a line of
people holding photographs of Kurds killed in a chemical attack by
Iraq on the town of Halabja in 1988.
An estimated 5,000 Kurdish civilians died in that attack. In dozens of
interviews in the last two months with Kurdish doctors and officials,
all have said that Kurds are not much better protected today than they
were then, and that to improve preparations they need outside help.
To that end, demonstrators today delivered a letter to the United
Nations asking for shipments of chemical protective equipment. Dr.
Golpi, who treated victims of chemical attacks when he was with
Kurdish guerrillas in the mountains in the 1980's, said the United
Nations must also provide antibiotics, eyedrops, ointments and
bandages.
The supplies would be necessary, he said, if a significant number of
people were injured by nerve or mustard gas, which Iraq used on Kurds
in the 1980's, or biological agents, which Kurds believe that Iraq now
possesses.
United Nations officials here declined to comment on the request,
citing a policy under which its employees are generally forbidden to
speak with foreign journalists in northern Iraq.
In Washington, an American official said the Bush administration was
reviewing options to provide that kind of assistance. "We're looking
at it very seriously," he said.
The official said there were several possible obstacles, including
restrictions in United Nations resolutions and American trade law on
importing materials into Iraq, as well as concerns that some chemical
defense gear could fall into the hands of Iraqi agents. But he added,
"We're looking at it with an intent to be helpful."
In recent weeks, people opposed to renewed military action in Iraq
have demonstrated in scores of cities, including Montreal, London,
Berlin, Frankfurt, Brussels, Sydney and Istanbul.
Some demonstrators have used gimmicks, including 30 people who removed
their clothes and lay down in a street in Britain, aligning their
naked bodies to form the word peace.
Kurds resorted to no such tricks. Unlike the demonstrators elsewhere,
these Kurds expressed a sentiment that is common here. They said they
lived close enough to Mr. Hussein to know his government and to fear
it.
They said they were willing to risk war to have him removed.
Later in the day, flashes of Kurdish optimism returned. Abdul-Razzaq
Mirza, the minister of relations and cooperation for the eastern
Kurdish zone, said he was confident that even if no one else offered
assistance to defend against chemical or biological attacks, the
United States would do so before long.
"They have not given it to us yet," he said. "But I am sure they are
going to help us. They are not going to leave us to genocide again."
Akira
use chemical weapons against people in this war, they will just drop
the topic and come up with some other reason to oppose the USA
Palestinian Rally Urges: "O Saddam, Strike with Chemicals"
Ramallah rally blasts Iraq attack plans
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KHALED ABU TOAMEH Feb. 6, 2003
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Chanting "O Saddam, strike with chemicals," and "Tony Blair is a
liar," about 1,000 Palestinians marched through the center of Ramallah
Thursday to protest the expected US attack on Iraq.
The rally was addressed by a leader of Yasser Arafat's Fatah group and
a leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The
protest was organized by the Popular Committee for solidarity with
Iraq, one of many bodies in the West Bank and Gaza Strip entrusted
with organizing pro-Iraqi demonstrations.
"Tony Blair is trying to be his master's voice," said senior Fatah
official Sakher Habash. "We salute all those who join us standing in
solidarity with Iraq as it repels this US aggression."
Abu Ali Miqbel, a leader of the Damascus-based PFLP, supposedly banned
by Arafat last year, called George Bush "the lord of evil" and Tony
Blair "his prot g ."
Senior Palestinian officials had planned to address the crowd. But in
a last-minute change of plan, Arafat ordered his officials to stay
away from the rally, realizing it would appear very embarrassing after
Wednesday's UN speech by Colin Powell.
"Arafat is being very careful not to express any view in public on the
subject of Iraq," a senior Fatah official told The Jerusalem Post.
Palestinian plainclothes security agents kept a close eye on the
rally, which began at Manara Square in the center of Ramallah, to make
sure it did not get too big. They had orders to prevent any burning of
US flags, a common sight at previous demonstrations.
The demonstrators carried posters of Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat
and called on the Iraqi leader to bomb Tel Aviv.
"Colin Powell was wrong when he talked about terrorism at the United
Nations yesterday," said Riyad Al-Shibteen, a Ramallah resident who
took part in the rally. "The terrorism is not here. It is the Israelis
who are the terrorists."
Rasha Shehadeh, a college student, said she was more worried about the
Iraqi people than Saddam. "I feel sorry for the Iraqi people, who have
been under siege for more than 10 years," she said.
"Why doesn't [US President George] Bush ask the Israelis to get rid of
their weapons of mass destruction? I believe that the Americans and
the Israelis are trying to take control over the Iraqi oil. I hate
Bush more than I hate [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon."
Brian
> . Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace... give me liberty or give me death!
> Patrick Henry
Marc, save the borrowed rhetoric for a real enemy.
Brian
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> The problem with the peacenicks is that even if Sadham does in fact
> use chemical weapons against people in this war, they will just drop
> the topic and come up with some other reason to oppose the USA
This is an absurd claim. The "peaceniki" I know are opposed to human
rights violations, whether from Saddam Hussein, Uncle Sam, or others.
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> the Nuremburg trials
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger." Herman Goering at the
Nuremberg trials
Derek Juhl
Stephanie
> Last time I checked, a democracy such as ours has never
> waged a war of ethnic cleansing in its homeland.
I think most American Indians would disagree with that.
Stephanie
Foon
No kidding, and they're not the only examples. However, we must remember that we do not live in a true democracy (which is pure "majority rule -- and minority interests be damned"), fortunately. A democratic *republic* (NO relation to Republicans), as we have, can be a bit better, IF and only IF we all get off our butts and VOTE... and not for the lesser of two weasels, as we usually do. :)
Remember that every land always gets exactly the government it deserves, without exception. So it's up to us to deserve better.
- Larry
Brian
Brian
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TARGET: SCOTT RITTER
The War Party gets ugly
By Justin Raimondo
Scott Ritter, the former UN weapons inspector who quit in 1998 and now
says the U.S. is intent on manufacturing phony "evidence" of arms
violations as a pretext for war, is the victim of what may be the
sleaziest set-up job in recent history, a smearing so foul that it
makes the Clinton crowd look like a bunch of amateurs. The news that
he may have been arrested, in June 2001, as the result of an internet
sex sting, in which an undercover cop posing as a sixteen-year-old
girl lured him into "sex chat" over the internet, came to light in a
very strange way. A local newspaper, the Daily Gazette, of
Schenectady, New York, was first to pick up the dirt, which apparently
came to light when an assistant district attorney was fired for
settling the case and not informing the D.A. According to the Gazette:
"Police and prosecutors have declined to discuss the case, which
involved at least one class B misdemeanor, because it was adjourned in
contemplation of dismissal and ordered sealed by a Colonie Town Court
justice. The Daily Gazette's request for access to the arrest report
was denied by the Colonie town attorney's office, which ruled
disclosure was barred under the state Freedom of Information Law."
So the police just happened to conduct a "sex sting" operation against
the one man who had exposed the lies of our war-mad rulers from the
inside. On the eve of war, as hundreds of thousands protest in the
streets, this staunch Republican and solid family man who has become
one of the War Party's most formidable enemies is suddenly "exposed"
as a child molester.
Since the court records have been sealed, and the case was merely
"adjourned in contemplation of dismissal," the authorities will say
nothing, at least in public. The entrapment was apparently so
transparent, so obviously the clumsiest sort of Cointelpro-style
operation badly bungled by our newly-empowered political police, that
the charges were dropped to the legal equivalent of a traffic ticket.
Could it be that the records were sealed not to protect Ritter, but to
protect whomever tried to set him up?
Anybody who doesn't believe that Ritter was specifically targeted on
account of his political activities needs to seek help: that sort of
naivete can be terminal, and the patient probably shouldn't be trusted
to cross the street unattended.
In the post-9/11 era of the "Patriot" Act and the Office of Total
Information Awareness, what is happening to Ritter is meant as a
warning to anyone who dares oppose this government. Former UN
inspectors, it seems, are a special target. Remember that other
inspector, Jack McGeorge, also an American, who was "outed" as being a
member of a sado-masochistic "advocacy" organization? Just as our war
birds were wailing in bitter disappointment that the inspections
process would delay or maybe even derail the much anticipated
bloodbath, suddenly one of the inspectors is "exposed" as a
sadomasochist. The point was not to somehow prove that this made him
unfit for the job, but simply to degrade him, to make the experience
so painful that he would immediately withdraw – which is precisely
what happened.
There's nothing at all fishy about a "sealed" court record leaked to
reporters, complete with an alleged "mug shot" of Ritter broadcast on
television and republished by MSNBC. It's all a coincidence that this
comes out just as the war crisis reaches its climax – or anti-climax –
and the administration is desperate to come up with a half-way
convincing rationale for war. What are you – a conspiracy theorist?
Everybody knows the U.S. government is inherently and constitutionally
incapable of pulling off such a dirty rotten lowdown trick. After all,
isn't that why they hate us – because we're so wonderfully "free"?
Free to be spied on; free to be set-up and smeared if we defy the
powers-that-be; "free" to be entrapped by cyber-cops who randomly
chose the single most convincing opponent of the War Party to snare in
a web of deception.
The reaction to this is really a sight to behold. The same
"conservative" movement that reveled and rolled around in the muck of
the Clinton years like a pig in a deluxe pen, luxuriating in the filth
that bubbled up like a perpetual hot bath, is all abuzz. With all the
defiant malignity of Lucianne Goldberg and her son, what's-his-name,
rolling the latest Clintonian dirtball around on their tongues as if
it were the last bon bon in the box, they are drooling over this one.
(Look at bottom-feeder Jonah Goldberg lap it up.)
It's sickening, really, to even contemplate what is going on here, but
we should look at this ugliness full in the face. Because in forcing
ourselves to see it, we can see the War Party – the gang of lying,
thieving, conniving thugs with delusions of grandeur who dominate this
administration – in its essence.
Look on the face of evil, and, if you don't turn to stone, remember it
well. Because this is what we're up against, in America: an evil that
is almost demonic in its pure malevolence, a dark destructive spirit
that feeds on pain and is animated by the will to crush its enemies
underfoot. This is the face of an enemy that must be defeated.
Akira
<jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>When somebody is busting stuff up and wreaking
>> havok, and causing anarchy, what can one do to stop further
>> destruction?
>
>I do not recall Saddam Hussein going around other countries recently
busting
>stuff up and causing anarchy.
Duh. I was referring to the violent and acts of violent destruction of
the peaceniks that were rioting all over the world, as the title of
this thread states.
Akira
Akira
>> Secondly, we are not being paranoid because paranoia indicates a
fear
>> of something that isn't real. The cult SS campaigns are real. The
hate
>> rhetoric of Daisaku Ikeda that drives the SS is real.
>****From Shirley: First of all, mayhem and violence have no place in
>Nichiren's Buddhism and no place in what Pres. Ikeda teaches.
But the fact remains: the CULT leader instigates acts of hate and that
spawns violence. And you people call this guy your "sensei!"
>So you feel real fear in response to real threats? and that creates
a
>blinding paranoia.
I fear the CULT about as much as I fear a howling jackel. But that
doesn't mean that I should not refute them, nor does it mean that I
should not do my best to expose them for what they are, and try to
stop their acts of hatred and violence.
> Fear and paranoia create static, sound and fury and
>blocks our wisdom and perception.
Yet you sit there as a member of the CULT and attack those who wish to
refute their evil ways by calling us "paranoid" etc.
>****From Shirley: Well, it is difficult for me to point the finger
>at you for calling "cult SS" evil, because I hear the same term
>applied to NSS by the SGI.
The CULTs actions bear out the truth. Evil acts = evil. Bomb threats,
arson, murder, attempted murder, hacking the US crime computer,
attacking and harassing temple members etc.
http://news.daisaku-ikeda.com
> I view both coming from a position of fear
>(even though neither side says they are "afraid" of the other, and
>even though there is evil in this world, of which ND often wrote).
I
>reject both. I reject slapping the label "evil" on other folks who
>chant NMRK or their approach to Nichiren's Buddhism.
The Daishonin also said that even though they chant the sutra, if
their actions are contrary to the sutra then they are not votaries of
the sutra. You yourself know of many of the outwardly evil acts of the
CULT. Violent, hateful rhetoric coming from the CULT leader Ikeda. Yet
you have the cajones to attack us for exposing them, and criticise us
for not sitting down with the slanderers at their sham koolaid and
cookies pow-wow
>I view the reception at the Friendship Center as a rejection of hate
>and paranoia and fear; this fact flies in the face of your labeling
it
>a hate movement. It's not about hate. If it were, it would truly be
>destroyed by this (so don't worry). But it ain't.
"Reception?" Is somebody getting married??
Their little "reception" is nothing but a PR sham. If they really were
about rejecting the hate, then they would stop publishing the hate
propaganda, and remove the dozens of hate websites that spread the
hate. They would also apologise for their hate campaigns. They have no
intention of doing any of this. In fact they just made a new Soka Spit
hate website last week. Pick up the latest world tribune and look at
the hate being spewed.
>Hey, Bruce Barnes
>is a grand poobah of the soka spirit and he is about empowerment.
You
>may think he's just a really sneaky hate monger guy ... being a grand
>poobah and all.... but he's not. He's also not into grand poobahs
of
>any ilk.
Bruce ain't shit in the eyes of the upper appointed leadership of the
CULT. He is nothing but a puppet that they can dispose of at any time.
Even the Iraqis do a better job at the "we are a peaceful people"
counter rhetoric.
>Truth is not served by pointing fingers and "exposing THEM for what
>they are!!!"
Truth is truth. You want to bury the truth. We want to expose the
truth. The truth does hurt the CULT- that's why they want it buried so
bad, and that's why they are now trying to appear like all they want
is to sit down and have a friendly chat, while at the same time they
continue their hate rhetoric. Sorry girl, but as my daddy used to say,
you are a day late and a dollar short.
> It's about putting convictions and belief systems to
>the test. Exposing our belief systems for what they are. It's about
>striving for wisdom.
>Shirley
Is it really wise to belong to a cult that teaches children that a
priest is a "spinach head" that need to be "attacked" until he is
"dead?" Is it really wise to defend a CULT that has such a long record
of human rights violations? Is it really wise to call a militant CULT
politician "sensei" and sing songs or praises to him, while he spews
hate propaganda instructing people to destroy others and their
religion???!
Is it really wise to trust the CULT and come to their silly playhouse
happy koolaid and crackers meeting while all along they hold prayer
sessions to destroy us, and teach their members and chilren to hate
us? Do you really think we are that stupid? Or are you really that
stupid to believe it yourself?
http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
http://news.sg-eye.com
http://www.sg-eye.com
Akira
Akira
can never hide their true nature. http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
Akira
>Here is a quote from Bruce Barnes taken off the reform board. He was
>attempting to help Andy feel more empowered? Don't think so.
Sorry,
>Shirley and Susie, I know you mean well, but... Gina
>----- Original Message -----
>From: brucebarnesla
>To: SGI-USA...@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:07 PM
>Subject: [SGI-USA_Reform] Andy, Oye Vey!
>
>
>Dear Andy,
>
>I guess this was coming all along. You have presented non-
>negotiable terms to the SGI organization and backed yourself into a
>corner.
>
>Your statements are extreme and dismissive. You say the org is
>rotten to the core. All the leaders are liars and lacking integrity.
>
>All evidence of progress is tainted in your mind. The temple issue
>is a pack of lies.
>
>Andy, the SGI Presidents lead the whole organization in an all out
>struggle to support, dignify and enrich Nichiren Shoshu. It was
>hoped that the priesthood would "reform." It didn't. When Nikken
>took over he asserted the inherent, institutionalized inequality
>that Nichiren Shoshu is and was.
>
>So all the Gakkai guidance of "support the priests" was backed out
>and reversed. The many decades of support for NS ended up being a
>difficult lesson in revealing the priesthoods true nature.
>
>The entire record of the relationship clearly demonstrates the
>Gakkai's sincere campaign to make priest/laity unity and harmony a
>reality. It took that effort to reveal the irreconcilable
>differences between the two organizations.
>
>You have chosen to label that campaiagn as lies, betrayals, and
>deceptions.
>
>Your moral sense is superior to that of other people. You have
>identified the fatal flaw in this organization of common people.
>SGI advances by trial and error. It should have just simply
>spoken "the truth." It's leaders should have just shouted the truth.
>
>Now SGI has enshrined three common people as "eternal mentors." No
>wonder you're upset about it.
>
>You are a courageous American who always tells the truth. You are
>wiser than others. You are also more sincere. Your faults are
>small and honest. You own up to them. You have said you are
>combative and not very good at listening sometimes. But you are
>honest about admitting it. This makes you superior to all the SGI
>leaders.
>
>But, Andy, I feel betrayed by you. I have tried to give you hope.
>I have listened to you. I have refuted you. I have tried to show
>that things are changing for the better. But you just insist on
>dismissing everyone.blah blah blah
>
Shirley
equality. Underlining past mistakes - even leaders are human -- and
also emphasizing choice. Andy's choices and the SGI's choices.
I disagree with Bruce's assessment that Andy thinks he is superior to
SGI leaders - it implies that if Andy speaks out, or follows his
inclination towards accuracy, he must think he is superior. And
perhaps Andy's very strong statements about "rotten to the core"
deserved a strong response.
Acknowledging progress is empowerment. Helping to direct progress is
empowerment.
As far as "attempting to help Andy feel empowered," , since that
refers to internal motivation, I'll let Bruce respond to that if he
chooses to.
My partial interpretation of the matter,
Shirley
Mark P.
>Acknowledging progress is empowerment. Helping to direct progress is
>empowerment.
The word empowerment is nothing more than politically correct
bullshit. You have no more empowerment than what others want to give
you. It may make you feel better to think so, but it means absolutely
nothing. True empowerment comes from changing your karma.
Shirley
Your entire post is so gushing full of hate and bile.......... I just
don't know how to respond.
You scream that the good folks I chant with and practice with, who do
their best every day to help others, are nothing but a bunch of evil
cult people. Calling my religious beliefs all kinds of nasty names.
Splashing koolade over all with the same dehumanizing label. I would
never do the same to you.
Your whole post is a very vivid example of raging, flailing,
disempowerment. The proof is that you rage against hate and yet you
are consumed by it, you have no power over it within youself, and thus
are unable to listen or consider.
Sorry you feel this way,
Shirley
"Wisdom is the ability to discover alternatives." Paul Eldridge
akira...@yahoo.com (Akira) wrote in message news:<fc4f7dcc.03032...@posting.google.com>...
Akira
the truth- accuse the other side of "hate and bile" that the CULT is
famous for. This is the typical knee-jerk reaction of the CULT when
they are faced with the truth. If you people could just mind your own
business in the first place and stop your endless propaganda and PR
bunk none of this conversation would be happening. But you busy bodies
just can't do that, can you.
http://www.sg-eye.com
http://news.daisaku-ikeda.com
Akira
On 25 Mar 2003 15:00:03 -0800, thu...@aol.com (Shirley) wrote:
>You know Akira,
>Your entire post is so gushing full of hate and bile.......... I just
>don't know how to respond.
>You scream that the good folks I chant with and practice with, who do
>their best every day to help others, are nothing but a bunch of evil
>cult people. Calling my religious beliefs all kinds of nasty names.
>Splashing koolade over all with the same dehumanizing label. I
would
>never do the same to you.
>Your whole post is a very vivid example of raging, flailing,
>disempowerment. The proof is that you rage against hate and yet you
>are consumed by it, you have no power over it within youself, and
thus
>are unable to listen or consider.
>Sorry you feel this way,
>Shirley
>akira...@yahoo.com (Akira) wrote in message news:<fc4f7dcc.03032...@posting.google.com>...
LANevada
> what happened.
>
> There's nothing at all fishy about a "sealed" court record leaked to
> reporters, complete with an alleged "mug shot" of Ritter broadcast on
> television and republished by MSNBC. It's all a coincidence that this
> and the administration is desperate to come up with a half-way
> Everybody knows the U.S. government is inherently and constitutionally
> incapable of pulling off such a dirty rotten lowdown trick. After all,
> Free to be spied on; free to be set-up and smeared if we defy the
> powers-that-be; "free" to be entrapped by cyber-cops who randomly
> chose the single most convincing opponent of the War Party to snare in
> a web of deception.
>
> The reaction to this is really a sight to behold. The same
> "conservative" movement that reveled and rolled around in the muck of
> the Clinton years like a pig in a deluxe pen, luxuriating in the filth
> that bubbled up like a perpetual hot bath, is all abuzz. With all the
> defiant malignity of Lucianne Goldberg and her son, what's-his-name,
> rolling the latest Clintonian dirtball around on their tongues as if
> it were the last bon bon in the box, they are drooling over this one.
> (Look at bottom-feeder Jonah Goldberg lap it up.)
>
> It's sickening, really, to even contemplate what is going on here, but
> we should look at this ugliness full in the face. Because in forcing
> thieving, conniving thugs with delusions of grandeur who dominate this
>
> Look on the face of evil, and, if you don't turn to stone, remember it
> well. Because this is what we're up against, in America: an evil that
> is almost demonic in its pure malevolence, a dark destructive spirit
> that feeds on pain and is animated by the will to crush its enemies
> underfoot. This is the face of an enemy that must be defeated.
>The Washington Post is just a shill now for the Bush gang. They have
been trying to smear Scot Ritter because he is well respected as an
Arms Inspector by the UN and will not lie for the USA. His excellent
book " War on Iraq--What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know" by
William Rivers Pitt with Scott Ritter,tears apart the many outright
Lies of Bush concerning Iraq. Bush and his Administration will do and
are doing Anything they can to discredit Scott Ritter.Read the Book
also go to www.war-on-iraq.com
Larry S
Akira
>You know Akira,
>Your entire post is so gushing full of hate and bile.......... I just
>don't know how to respond.
>You scream that the good folks I chant with and practice with, who do
>their best every day to help others, are nothing but a bunch of evil
>cult people. Calling my religious beliefs all kinds of nasty names.
>Splashing koolade over all with the same dehumanizing label. I
would
>never do the same to you.
>Your whole post is a very vivid example of raging, flailing,
>disempowerment. The proof is that you rage against hate and yet you
>are consumed by it, you have no power over it within youself, and
thus
>are unable to listen or consider.
>Sorry you feel this way,
>Shirley
I am doing nothing but report the truth about the CULT and and Daisaku
Ikeda, who says: NICHIREN SHOSHU IS THE "ONE EVIL" THAT MUST BE
"ELIMINATED!!" I find it disturbing that people like Susie and Bruce
can call this guy their mentor and then have the cajones to invite us
to a crackers, koolaid and country music meeting! Stop treating us
like we are stupid, naive fools! Or better yet, mind your own business
and go about your own way!
August 10th 2001 SGI-USA World Tribune, page 5
SEE SCAN OF ARTICLE: http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/eliminate.htm
In his message to a nationwide prefecture leaders conference held at
the Soka Gakkai Headquarters in Tokyo on May 22, SGI President Ikeda
says:
"In his treatise 'On Establishing the Correct Teaching for the Peace
of the Land,'" Nichiren Daishonin says, 'Rather than offering up ten
thousand prayers for remedy, it would be better simply to outlaw this
one evil' (The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, 15). He is saying that
rather than offering many kinds of prayers to eliminate various
sufferings from the world, one should instead concentrate on removing
the fundamental cause of society's misery.
"'One evil' means the fundamental evil. It is because of the distorted
spiritual foundation of human beings and society that all
well-intentioned actions and strategies are futile.
"What, then, is this fundamental evil? The Daishonin clarifies that it
is slander of the true Law and correct teaching. It is a force that
tries to destroy kosen-rufu, which is the great wish of the Buddha. It
is jealousy toward, and betrayal of, the fundamental good that causes
the infinitely noble lives of all people to shine, that inspires them
to realize a peaceful society based on the principle of the sanctity
of life.
"Acting in league with those in power, people affected by such
negative forces trample on the true teaching and persecute people of
justice. This devilish function is itself the one evil, the
fundamental evil.
In the modern age, the slanderous actions of
Nichiren Shoshu are a case in point.
"The Daishonin declares that if this one evil is simply ignored, the
calamities of internal strife and foreign invasion are bound to occur.
In other words, this one evil will ultimately drag the country down
the path of war, which causes the greatest suffering to the people.
For this reason, the Daishonin strictly admonishes that this one evil
must be eliminated."
<<<
ak
Bluediamondforme
From: akira...@yahoo.com (Akira)
Date: 2513Mar2003 7:30 PM
Message-id: <fc4f7dcc.03032...@posting.google.com>
On 25 Mar 2003 15:00:03 -0800, thu...@aol.com (Shirley) wrote:
>You know Akira,
>Your entire post is so gushing full of hate and bile.......... I just
>don't know how to respond.
>You scream that the good folks I chant with and practice with, who do
>their best every day to help others, are nothing but a bunch of evil
>cult people. Calling my religious beliefs all kinds of nasty names.
>Splashing koolade over all with the same dehumanizing label. I
would
>never do the same to you.
>Your whole post is a very vivid example of raging, flailing,
>disempowerment. The proof is that you rage against hate and yet you
>are consumed by it, you have no power over it within youself, and
thus
>are unable to listen or consider.
>Sorry you feel this way,
>Shirley
>
>Don't feel bad Shirley, this is Craig Bratcher. Craig is nothing if not
consistent.
Bruce Barnes
We are not trying to insult your intelligence by inviting you for
conversation and refreshments. I for one, in no way perceive you as
naive. Clearly, you are a man on a mission. You honestly believe
that we are a cult and as such very dangerous.
In the region I practice in here in Los Angeles, none of the members
or leaders hate the priests or the Hokkeko members. I would consider
anyone teaching hate to have a serious psychological problem.
The letter I relayed on this board came from the honest feeling of
many of our members. SGI in LA is a peoples' Nichiren Buddhist
movement. THEY have decided to reach out in friendship to Nichiren
Shoshu members. Not even a living manifest Buddha can overrule them.
You have asked that I condemn Daisaku Ikeda's poem that refers to
traitors who have turned their backs on the Daishonin's teachings. You
have cited it as "evidence" that he is teaching hate. I want you to
know that I have been face to face and eyeball to eyeball with Daisaku
Ikeda on the temple issue. He dosen't hate the temple members. And
do you know how I know he doesn't hate the temple members, Akira?
Because I don't hate the temple members. Neither do most of the other
SGI-USA members. This is not to say that some leaders haven't overly
personalized Pres. Ikeda's ferocious opposition to slander in such a
way as to distort his intent. Well, shame on them. That type of
person is even higher on my dialogue priority list than the Hokkeko
members.
On the subject of slander, from what you say, you simply want to
expose the "evil of the SGI cult." That is certainly a straight
forward statement of your convictions. Under the circumstances, it is
not unreasonable that you would perceive our efforts to reach out with
great suspicion. I have clearly stated in my posts that I disagree
with NST'S view of SGI. Opposition does not have to mean bad blood,
or hatred. That's what we're trying to get across.
Lastly, Akira, I feel you have misperceived Shirley. She is very
independent and as you know, has been very outspoken in her
disagreement with some aspects of SGI. It seems a stretch to paint
everybody in our org as a mindless robot.
We're people, just like you.
Cody
"Bruce Barnes" <Barne...@prodigy.net> did the SGI shuffle and wrote
I don't believe you, Bruce.
> Akira,
>
> We are not trying to insult your intelligence by inviting you for
> conversation and refreshments. I for one, in no way perceive you as
> naive. Clearly, you are a man on a mission. You honestly believe
> that we are a cult and as such very dangerous.
So do I. But I don't believe it, I know it.
>
> In the region I practice in here in Los Angeles, none of the members
> or leaders hate the priests or the Hokkeko members. I would consider
> anyone teaching hate to have a serious psychological problem.
"We don't hate priests, Craigi, we just hate your priests".
Bridgett Cash, LS SGI-USA member right her on ARBN.
>
> The letter I relayed on this board came from the honest feeling of
> many of our members. <
I don't believe you.
> SGI in LA is a peoples' Nichiren Buddhist
> movement. <
SGI doesn't have anything to do with Buddhism in general or the Buddhism of
Nichiren Daishonin in particular. The "Buddhism" SGI says it is is a cover
so they can get non profit status.
> THEY have decided to reach out in friendship to Nichiren
> Shoshu members. Not even a living manifest Buddha can overrule them.<
I don't believe you. Why is it being held at the Unfriendship Center then?
>
> You have asked that I condemn Daisaku Ikeda's poem that refers to
> traitors who have turned their backs on the Daishonin's teachings. You
> have cited it as "evidence" that he is teaching hate. I want you to
> know that I have been face to face and eyeball to eyeball with Daisaku
> Ikeda on the temple issue. He dosen't hate the temple members.
Bullshit. He has called out time and time again for the destruction of our
religion. If that isn't hate, what is? Are you forgetting the Official hate
"Daimoku" campaign of 99, which Daimoku charts and everything? Are you
forgetting about the LIES SGI has published in their pubs like the Seattle
Lie and the "Geisha" lie?
And
> do you know how I know he doesn't hate the temple members, Akira?
> Because I don't hate the temple members. Neither do most of the other
> SGI-USA members. <<
I don't believe you. Why do you lie?
> This is not to say that some leaders haven't overly
> personalized Pres. Ikeda's ferocious opposition to slander in such a
> way as to distort his intent. Well, shame on them. That type of
> person is even higher on my dialogue priority list than the Hokkeko
> members.
Smooth, Bruce, smooth, but quit trying to insult our intelligence. We read
the WT.
>
> On the subject of slander, from what you say, you simply want to
> expose the "evil of the SGI cult." That is certainly a straight
> forward statement of your convictions. Under the circumstances, it is
> not unreasonable that you would perceive our efforts to reach out with
> great suspicion. I have clearly stated in my posts that I disagree
> with NST'S view of SGI. Opposition does not have to mean bad blood,
> or hatred. That's what we're trying to get across.
We know that you've been to the "treat the Hokkeko members with kindness" SS
meetings. After all, you're one of the head honchos for the SS in LA, now
aren't you?
>
> Lastly, Akira, I feel you have misperceived Shirley. She is very
> independent and as you know, has been very outspoken in her
> disagreement with some aspects of SGI. It seems a stretch to paint
> everybody in our org as a mindless robot.
> We're people, just like you.
The question is why do you continue with the SGI Ikeda cult. I can only
think of three reasons:
1. You're stupid, gullible and naive.
2. You're brainwashed
3. You're stuck in the SGI Ikeda cult due to family ties or friends.
Wake up, Bruce, you're wasting the little you have left of your life for
Ikeda. How sad.
Cody
Akira
>You have asked that I condemn Daisaku Ikeda's poem that refers to
>traitors who have turned their backs on the Daishonin's teachings. You
>have cited it as "evidence" that he is teaching hate. I want you to
>know that I have been face to face and eyeball to eyeball with Daisaku
>Ikeda on the temple issue. He dosen't hate the temple members.
August 10th 2001 SGI-USA World Tribune, page 5
Akira
>expose the "evil of the SGI cult." That is certainly a straight
>forward statement of your convictions. Under the circumstances, it
is
>not unreasonable that you would perceive our efforts to reach out
with
>great suspicion. I have clearly stated in my posts that I disagree
>with NST'S view of SGI. Opposition does not have to mean bad blood,
>or hatred. That's what we're trying to get across.
You are a day late and a dollar short Bruce. If you people were truly
sincere about ending the hate, then why are the sick CULT hate
websites still up? In fact you people just added another SS site last
week. Why do the CULT propaganda newspapers still exude the hate
rhetoric led by that militant hate monger you call "sensei?"
What idiot would want to sit down with the very people who have
perverted Buddhist prayers as a weapon to destroy them? Why can't you
just mind your own business? It will take more than a few half assed
overtures to get us to trust you people. You have a long way to go
before anybody will trust your CULT, not just us. Look at the lawsuit
that the good professors have filed against your CULT. Even the
scholars recognize what a fucked up bunch of militant misfits the CULT
is.
Akira
Akira
other
>personalized Pres. Ikeda's ferocious opposition to slander in such a
>way as to distort his intent. Well, shame on them. That type of
>person is even higher on my dialogue priority list than the Hokkeko
>members.
Let's start all over again. First take down all the CULT hate rhetoric
websites that attack us and our temples/priests/members. Then burn all
the hate literature from the past 12 years in a huge public bonfire,
and get all the CULT leaders at the microphone, including Ikeda, to
make public apologies for instigating all this hate and intolerance.
Then after no more hate is exuded from the CULT publications,
including in Japan, for a full 3 months, we can go our own happy ways
and leave each other alone. Until that happens, I will personally make
sure that every time the CULT SS wages another PR campaign, or Ikeda
makes another hate speech, or when another CULT child writes a cute
story about killing the "spinach head" high priest the whole world
will know all about it, and I will be on you like a pit bull who
hasn't eaten in a year.
http://news.sg-eye.com
http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
ak
Akira
> anyone teaching hate to have a serious psychological problem.
See? How can anyone trust you, who considers just such a person your
"sensei" singing songs of praise to him, and following his
"guidance?!"
ak
Mark P.
wrote:
>In the region I practice in here in Los Angeles, none of the members
>or leaders hate the priests or the Hokkeko members. I would consider
>anyone teaching hate to have a serious psychological problem.
>
Irregardless of how the SGI membership percieves the Hokkeko,
I don't think you will get many Hokkeko to come to your meeting
because of past causes the SGI have made. This is the reason that most
SGI members go to Nichiren Shu instead of Nichiren Shoshu when they
leave SGI. Cause and effect, pure and simple. You cannot be a part of
a slanderous organization without becoming tainted by it.
Akira
> expose the "evil of the SGI cult." That is certainly a straight
> forward statement of your convictions. Under the circumstances, it is
> not unreasonable that you would perceive our efforts to reach out with
> great suspicion. I have clearly stated in my posts that I disagree
> with NST'S view of SGI. Opposition does not have to mean bad blood,
> or hatred. That's what we're trying to get across.
"The Benefits accrued as a result of Praying for the defeat of
Nikken".
By Soka Gakkai SGI head "priest" Yuban Narita
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/cancer.htm
(Narita is the one who supplies the SGI Gohonzon)
Published in several Soka Gakkai online publications
In the past, I have addressed the question of Nikken's harmful
activities, and his destructive and denigrating behavior towards
others. Today however, I would like to focus on the importance of how,
praying for Nikken's removal, our life is purified and our enlightened
aspect elevated; how, as a consequence, we experience unparalleled
advancement in our lives. For reasons I will enlarge on in my talk, I
beseech you all to chant passionately and with a most fervent prayer,
for the removal of Nikken .
Since Nikken severed relations with the SGI, many people with a strong
and consistent practice have spoken of a heavy cloud over their hearts
and difficulty in focusing their prayers. One elderly woman told me
she simply cannot shake loose her feelings of heaviness, and never
feels refreshed from her practice, even though she practices strongly.
This is the effect of Nikken's devilish function*. I, myself, broke
through the dark clouds over my heart and experienced feelings of
liberation and limitless joy in my life after becoming involved in the
activity of bringing temple members back to the Daishonin's Buddhism.
In the Gosho, it is written: " To refute evil is a great good. To
refute good is a great evil". This passage explains why there is no
choice other than to challenge Nikken and consequently, what he
represents. President Ikeda, who more than anyone demonstrates the
application of this fighting spirit, has said: "To fight against
supreme evil represents supreme good".
For the last seven years, I have followed this course of action with
my life and my practice. To do so, causes an eruption of the mystic
law's energy throughout every cell in one's body, which is why this
type of prayer has allowed many members to overcome serious illnesses.
Here is one such experience:
A woman's husband, who doesn't practice, was diagnosed with stage four
cancer in the lymph nodes of his neck. He was given one week to live.
Upon hearing the guidance I have described, his wife went home and,
immediately, at midnight, began to chant. Her prayer was single-
mindedly for the defeat of Nikken, coupled with her deep desire that
her husband recover. After two hours, she experienced a deep
awakening. She felt a profound sense of appreciation to have been born
at such a momentous and determining time in the history of Buddhism,
and in the context of the future of mankind. She understood, on the
one hand, the defining nature of Daisaku Ikeda as a disciple of
Nichiren and a great bodhisattva, and, on the other hand, that
Nikken's function is that of the devil of the sixth heaven. She
perceived clearly what a golden age this is, and how she, as a
bodhisattva living at this time, could actively influence the outcome
of the battle between good and evil, which would affect the future of
mankind for eternity**. With this realization, the woman's joy was so
intense, that she chanted from midnight until eight in the morning
without any sense of time passing. During this time, her husband, who
was hospitalized, experienced major convulsions, and vomited
quantities of blood. His doctor, alarmed by this deterioration in the
man's condition, concluded that he wouldn't last the day. However,
despite these circumstances, he conducted tests, which yielded totally
unexpected results, whereupon he called the man's wife, and told her
to disregard what he had said previously about her husband having only
one week to live. The fact is he said, "There is no trace of cancer
cells to be found in his body".
This experience is a tremendous testimonial to the power and focus of
this woman's passionate prayer and her unflinching determination. It
is typical of many such experiences.
Here is another experience from a man in Hokkaido. His business was
selling racehorses. Unfortunately, with the recession being so severe,
unable to sell a single horse, and drowning in debt, he found himself
on the brink of bankruptcy. A leader came to encourage him. The leader
told the man of this specific prayer with which he could overcome his
current crisis, despite the reality of a severe recession. He
encouraged the man to pray fervently to defeat Nikken and to
participate whole-heartedly in the movement to bring back temple
members. The man replied: "I live in Hokkaido and Nikken lives in
Taiseki-Ji. I have never had contact with him personally and certainly
never been mistreated by him, so I fail to see the relevance of this".
It was the leader's unshakeable confidence, however, which finally
convinced him to take action and follow this guidance. Immediately,
without hesitating, he began to chant aggressively to defeat Nikken.
In a short time he had sold three horses from which he made a profit
of $200,000. He continued selling horses accumulating a total profit
in excess of $1,000,000. Feeling such tremendous appreciation at this
remarkable turn in events and how much his life had opened, he
expended huge efforts and successfully promoted 27 new Soka Gakkai
journal subscriptions, thereby fulfilling his debt of gratitude.
In conclusion, many of you are doubtless wondering why it is that such
dramatic results can come about from impassioned prayer, to defeat
Nikken. It is as President Ikeda has said: "Fighting supreme evil
creates supreme good". In other words, amongst our global community
upon this entity we call Earth, a cancer called Nikken is
proliferating. Before this cancer erupted, most of our prayers had
been based on our individual desires. However, with the onset of this
cancer, the metabolism of our planet has undergone change. The
collusion of corrupt priests with government authorities, to destroy
the activities of bodhisattvas has precipitated the three calamities
and the seven disasters, exactly as the Gosho describes. This has
become the reality of our times. It is demonstrably clear that the
earth's energy field and our environment have undergone radical
disruption since Nikken revealed his true identity as the devil of the
sixth heaven, specifically when he severed the relationship with the
entire body of the SGI, and propounded that he alone is the portal
through which people may access enlightenment. Whereas our prayers,
until now, have been motivated generally by our personal wishes, in
this critical time, it is of crucial importance that we stand up for
justice through our prayer and actions, to eradicate this most
powerful enemy intent on destroying Buddhism.
As I mentioned, at the beginning of my talk, those members who have
been heavy in heart, upon undertaking to chant with such a passionate
and determined prayer, experience an immediate uplifting of their
spirits, and an eruption of overwhelming joy they are unable to
explain. When one chants with whole-hearted intent to defeat Nikken,
one is actually purging one's life of its darkest demons. This is why
people have felt liberated and experienced unbelievable joy welling up
from the depths of their lives. Because the inner transformation
resulting from such prayer is of such a profound nature, it comes as
no surprise that the environment reflects this in like measure. This
prayer will not fail to bring about a vital and indestructible life
force. This is the working of the Mystic Law.*Expand on the meaning
of: "Remove Nikken" and "Nikken's devilish function", as external
elements, in the context of our own internal realm. ** Golden Age
Commentary: What makes this age a golden age is to realize Nikken's
pre-eminence in the lineage of arch enemies of Buddhism, wherein he
may be contrasted to Devadatta in the time of Shakyamuni, and Ryokan
in the time of Nichiren. With Nikken, Buddhism is ultimately faced
with the most powerful enemy imaginable. As the High Priest, he leads
the priesthood, whose primary function it is to protect the Law,
together with a multitude of lay believers, towards a teaching in
direct contradiction with Buddhism. His teaching denies the equality
of all people and the inherent nature of enlightenment, and, instead,
substitutes the concept that enlightenment may be bestowed or denied
by the sanction of the High Priest. ----
Akira
SLANDER AND ABUSE OF OPPONENTS
Inevitably cult groups like Soka Gakkai will make many opponents over
the years. These people are open to vicious
personality attacks of the most base order. Nothing more amply
demonstrates how far Soka Gakkai has
drifted from it's Buddhist roots than the websites of some of it's
members. The principle targets of abuse are Masamoto
Yamazaki - a former Soka Gakkai official, opponents of Soka Gakkai's
Komeito political party, Nobuko Nobuhira an ex-Gakkai
Womens Division member who alleged that Soka Gakkai Cult leader
Daisaku Ikeda had raped her, and Nikken Shonin - the
high priest of the Buddhist religion that excommunicated Soka Gakkai
after Ikeda formed his own new religion in 1991.
Like the attacks on newspapers the treatment of Soka Gakkai's enemies
is equally indicative of the Soka Gakkai cult mentality. Strange
scatological stories are invented by the SGI website owners - usually
hiding behind pseudonyms so that they never have to take
responsibility for their content (e.g.. providing proof).
Even the families of Soka Gakkai opponents are attacked in the manner
of a purlieu school child. Daughters of Soka Gakkai enemies are
portrayed as "drunks" and mothers are smeared as "prostitutes." No
evidence is ever given and all requests for some form of unbiased
proof are met with silence.
Those wishing to see the depths to which fanatical, militant Soka
Gakkai members will sink in their efforts to execrate Ikeda's
opponents can witness the bile for themselves at the following members
websites :
http://members.aol.com/tomoda97/nikken/heritage.htm
http://members.aol.com/domeinews/nichiren-shoshu/reformation/diaper2.htm
http://members.aol.com/nigelloyd/nichiren-shoshu/highpriest-scandals/9.htm
http://members.aol.com/nigelloyd/nichiren-shoshu/highpriest-scandals/8.htm
http://members.aol.com/takenikken/VanityFair/twins.htm
http://members.aol.com/takenikken/VanityFair/ohashi.htm
http://members.aol.com/takenikken/VanityFair/gyosei.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~sonoda/yamaz.jpg
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/susumukt/liar.htm
http://www.erols.com/miyoko/nobubic.htm
Akira
>anyone teaching hate to have a serious psychological problem.
"Why Is It Important to Fight against Nikken?
Nikken = "the one evil"
He is the source of the all trouble."
SGI Silicon Valley Website, San Jose, Calf.
http://www.sgi-siliconvalley.org/Picture_Show/3PowerfulEnemies/tsld023.htm
"On the other hand, 'shirkers and idlers' who fail
to speak out when they should and who are unable to repudiate evil
are,
in the final analysis, slandering the Law themselves. . . . no matter
how much daimoku lazy people chant, they will not receive true benefit
or develop a diamondlike state of being. They will not attain
Buddhahood. . . . Buddhism is very strict. No matter what excuses
people make or what leadership position they hold, if they do not
fight against evil, they will fall into hell."
January 11, 1997 speech by SGI President Daisaku Ikeda in Tokyo,
February 21, 1997, World Tribune (p. 11)
In another speech, Daisaku Ikeda makes the following statement:
"On the other hand, it is the members of the priesthood today that
have
become "devils" and "those in league with devils" who seek to halt the
flow of kosen-rufu and who are destroying Buddhism. They are enemies
of kosen-rufu and enemies of Buddhism who seek to render the Buddha's
words meaningless.
"For this reason, we must resolutely crush them. Between the Buddha
and devilish functions, there is no middle ground. If we fail to
fight, or
if our efforts are only half-hearted, then we will become allies of
these
devilish functions."
May 23, 1993 speech by Daisaku Ikeda, Kyushu Ikeda Auditorium, Fukuoka
City, Japan
World Tribune, June 28, 1993 (p.4, 4th column)
If you are an SGI member who has not participated in the many
campaigns to fight the "Nikkensect" just remember
that the leader of SGI says that you are allies of the devil and will
FALL INTO HELL.
Mr T
Barne...@prodigy.net (Bruce Barnes) wrote:
Bruce, he may not hate temple members- but he (and your Soka Spirit
movement) are committed to get us to leave temple. Do you not deny that
this is what he wants? As for your spin on his speeches and poems, his
language speaks for itself. We don't need another SGI leader trying to
downplay his language and put a gentler spin on the darker side of Mr.
Ikeda.
From our experience with the SGI, we found it (and see it even more
clearly today) not a healthy place to practice.
We're happy where we are, You know exactly how we feel, and so do the LA
members. Why the pretense?
--
Kurt
Shirley
*********Mark - I couldn't agree more with the quote above. And that
is exactly what true empowerment is about.
You say, "You have no more empowerment than what others want to give
you." is PRECISELY the delusion which must be debunked. Whether we
are waiting for empowerment to be handed to us by the government, by
school leaders or by SGI leaders or by priests or by the Buddha.
If your understanding of empowerment is "nothing more than politically
correct bullshit" then that's what empowerment is for you. Your
choice. Really too bad. Actually, you are not at all alone, especially
in this country. ("Oh, if I only had Bill Gates money, or had this
movie star or that movie star's looks... bla bla bla)
And there's the rub. And that's the tide we are trying to turn
through the great teachings of ND.
Empowerment for me starts with a choice, a vow, a prayer and putting
NMRK behind that with action and practice.... step-by-step.
Shirley
"Don't bother just to be better than your contemporaries or
predecessors. Try to be better than yourself." William Faulkner
Shirley
> the truth- accuse the other side of "hate and bile" that the CULT is
> famous for. This is the typical knee-jerk reaction of the CULT when
> they are faced with the truth. If you people could just mind your own
> business in the first place and stop your endless propaganda and PR
> bunk none of this conversation would be happening. But you busy bodies
> just can't do that, can you.
>
> http://www.sg-eye.com
> http://news.daisaku-ikeda.com
>
> Akira
*****From Shirley: Akira ...... re-read your post.
"You yourself know of many of the outwardly evil acts of
> the CULT. Violent, hateful rhetoric coming from the CULT leader Ikeda.
> Yet you have the cajones to attack us for exposing them, and criticise
> us for not sitting down with the slanderers at their sham koolaid and
> >> cookies pow-wow"
"Bruce ain't shit in the eyes of the upper appointed leadership of
> the CULT. He is nothing but a puppet that they can dispose of at any
> time."
*******Your post is OBVIOUSLY full of hate and bile and anger.
(actually, anger isn't such a bad thing - but hate is and
disrespecting another's faith is) You call us slanderers, we call
you slanders, yadda, yadda, yadda. (Actually, when Nikken states
that basing your faith upon the Gosho is BOGUS and DANGEROUS, I feel
that comes pretty close to slander, but this post isn't a critique of
Nikken, so I'll say no more.) Am I having a knee-jerk reaction
because I see the sky is blue on a clear day and say so? And I still
will not call your sangha (Nichiren Shoshu?) vile names - such as
CULT. Bad cause. Not only is your post full of hate, you know not of
what you speak at all when you talk of a "puppet". But..... spew
on. You are fully empowered to make your own causes.
and PS -- since when is dialogue an effort to bury the truth? Are you
afraid of the truth? Sometimes hugging close hate and black-and-white
judgements seems much safer, doesn't it?
Shirley
Cody
"Shirley" <thu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Wow, what a convulted rationalization for staying with the SGI Ikeda CULT!
Cody
Akira
>*******Your post is OBVIOUSLY full of hate and bile and anger.
>(actually, anger isn't such a bad thing - but hate is and
>disrespecting another's faith is) You call us slanderers, we call
>you slanders, yadda, yadda, yadda. (Actually, when Nikken states
>that basing your faith upon the Gosho is BOGUS and DANGEROUS, I feel
>that comes pretty close to slander, but this post isn't a critique of
>Nikken, so I'll say no more.) Am I having a knee-jerk reaction
>because I see the sky is blue on a clear day and say so? And I still
>will not call your sangha (Nichiren Shoshu?) vile names - such as
>CULT. Bad cause. Not only is your post full of hate, you know not of
>what you speak at all when you talk of a "puppet". But..... spew
>on.
"The Benefits accrued as a result of Praying for the defeat of
Akira
>*******Your post is OBVIOUSLY full of hate and bile and anger.
>(actually, anger isn't such a bad thing - but hate is and
>disrespecting another's faith is) You call us slanderers, we call
>you slanders, yadda, yadda, yadda. (Actually, when Nikken states
>that basing your faith upon the Gosho is BOGUS and DANGEROUS, I feel
>that comes pretty close to slander, but this post isn't a critique of
>Nikken, so I'll say no more.) Am I having a knee-jerk reaction
>because I see the sky is blue on a clear day and say so? And I still
>will not call your sangha (Nichiren Shoshu?) vile names - such as
>CULT. Bad cause. Not only is your post full of hate, you know not of
>what you speak at all when you talk of a "puppet". But..... spew
>on.
Akira
sick, hateful diatribe after another. On the other hand they claim
they want to sit down and have a cozy dialogue with us, while slurping
koolaid and munching cookies. Are these people schizophrenic or
what??? Is this what it means when the Gosho says their heads will be
split into many pieces?
> In response to the many requests for more materials to support those
> working in the Soka Spirit movement, we are happy to announce that
> today, March 21st, the first day of spring, we will launch the official
> SGI-USA Soka Spirit Web site,
>
> www.sokaspirit.org
>
> This is the first phase of the launch. We will regularly update the
> site with new functions and materials, including upcoming issues of THE
> JUSTICE CHRONICLE, the new SOKA SPIRIT e-NEWSLETTER (in mu ltiple
> languages), a new series of articles WHAT CAN I DO?, focusing on ways to
> contribute to the Soka Spirit movement as well as different pamphlets
> that are now available for downloading.
>
> Together with Los Angeles member Craig Green**, we have worked over the
> last few months to put this site together. Please pass along the
> website address, and you have any questions or comments, please send
> them us to as sokas...@sgi-usa.org.
>
> We thank you for all of your hard work, and we hope this site will be
> useful and informative for yourselves and the many members working on
> behalf of the Soka Spirit movement.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Robert Uruma
**Craig Green is one of those who publicly proclaimed that he thinks
it is a good thing to use daimoku to try to close temples
Akira
Akira
>If your understanding of empowerment is "nothing more than
politically
>correct bullshit" then that's what empowerment is for you. Your
>choice. Really too bad. Actually, you are not at all alone,
especially
>in this country. ("Oh, if I only had Bill Gates money, or had this
>movie star or that movie star's looks... bla bla bla)
> And there's the rub. And that's the tide we are trying to turn
>through the great teachings of ND.
Even your "empowerment" is bogus. You have no power in the CULT. You
are merely a dispensible puppet. If you really had any power then you
could use it to stop the CULT from further shooting themselves in the
foot with their pathetic hate campaigns, like the new SS soka spit
website. You are like little kids playing happy house family pharmacy,
while your thug daddy goes about business as usual. And please tell us
how this new SS website helps "turn the tide through the great
teachings of Nichiren Daishonin"
Akira
>movement) are committed to get us to leave temple. Do you not deny
that
>this is what he wants? As for your spin on his speeches and poems,
his
>language speaks for itself. We don't need another SGI leader trying
to
>downplay his language and put a gentler spin on the darker side of
Mr.
>Ikeda.
>From our experience with the SGI, we found it (and see it even more
>clearly today) not a healthy place to practice.
>We're happy where we are, You know exactly how we feel, and so do the
LA
>members. Why the pretense?
>
>--
>Kurt
Just look at the new SS website - the Soka Spit hate campagns are
alive an well. No end in sight to the vile bile
Akira
Mark P.
>If your understanding of empowerment is "nothing more than politically
>correct bullshit" then that's what empowerment is for you. Your
>choice. Really too bad. Actually, you are not at all alone, especially
>in this country. ("Oh, if I only had Bill Gates money, or had this
>movie star or that movie star's looks... bla bla bla)
> And there's the rub. And that's the tide we are trying to turn
>through the great teachings of ND.
By practicing correctly you influence your environment. If
this is what you mean by empowerment then I agree, although I have
found that most people don't understand this concept of self and
environment.
For the most part the word empowerment is nothing but a
buzzword started by the PC movement. I don't need words to know that I
affect my environment in every case.
>Empowerment for me starts with a choice, a vow, a prayer and putting
>NMRK behind that with action and practice.... step-by-step.
>
You don't even have to make a vow or pray for some specific
action. When you chant the Daimoku you affect your environment even if
you can't see it. This is how we gain benefit in our lives. We don't
need to pray for material things because the simultaneity of cause and
effect makes it a moot point to do this. It is much better to pray for
other people.
The main thing is that you strive to live the Lotus Sutra
through your actions, which you have agreed. This makes everything
possible, but don't expect that everything will go the way you expect
just because you chant. When we look back after 10 or 20 years we see
that everything worked out the way it should, and this is why we call
the Mystic Law, Mystic.
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Just look at the new SS website - the Soka Spit hate campagns are
> alive an well. No end in sight to the vile bile
>
> http://www.sokapirit.org
Aren't the webpages on the Clow incident a violation of the settlement?
Derek Juhl
Shirley
> On 26 Mar 2003 18:35:24 -0800, thu...@aol.com (Shirley) wrote:
>
>
>
> >If your understanding of empowerment is "nothing more than politically
> >correct bullshit" then that's what empowerment is for you. Your
> >choice. Really too bad. Actually, you are not at all alone, especially
> >in this country. ("Oh, if I only had Bill Gates money, or had this
> >movie star or that movie star's looks... bla bla bla)
> > And there's the rub. And that's the tide we are trying to turn
> >through the great teachings of ND.
>
> By practicing correctly you influence your environment. If
> this is what you mean by empowerment then I agree, although I have
> found that most people don't understand this concept of self and
> environment.
> For the most part the word empowerment is nothing but a
> buzzword started by the PC movement. I don't need words to know that I
> affect my environment in every case.
>
> >Empowerment for me starts with a choice, a vow, a prayer and putting
> >NMRK behind that with action and practice.... step-by-step.
> >
>
> You don't even have to make a vow or pray for some specific
> action. When you chant the Daimoku you affect your environment even if
> you can't see it. This is how we gain benefit in our lives. We don't
> need to pray for material things because the simultaneity of cause and
> effect makes it a moot point to do this. It is much better to pray for
> other people.
> The main thing is that you strive to live the Lotus Sutra
> through your actions, which you have agreed. This makes everything
> possible, but don't expect that everything will go the way you expect
> just because you chant. When we look back after 10 or 20 years we see
> that everything worked out the way it should, and this is why we call
> the Mystic Law, Mystic.
>
>
> Mark Porter
>
putting NMRK behind that", would be pretty much the same as striving
to live the Lotus Sutra through actions... The reason I stress
volition on my part is that I believe, as an empowered being, I also
have the absolute power to block advancement, to ignore repeated
lessons offered, and to screw things up or (worse!) stagnate. I
believe my ichinen or volition is an important part of the equation.
Shirley
"Character -- the willingness to accept responsibility for one's own
life -- is the source from which self-respect springs." Joan Didion
Cody
So, your "empowerment" is "embedded" in your life?
Seriously, here's the definition of "empowerment":
Main Entry: em·pow·er
Pronunciation: im-'pau(-&)r
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1648
1 : to give official authority or legal power to
2 : ENABLE 1a
3 : to promote the self-actualization or influence of <women's movement has
been inspiring and empowering women -- Ron Hansen>
- em·pow·er·ment /-m&nt/ noun
Which meaning did you have in mind, Shirley?
Cody
Cashjlac
Date: 2713Mar2003 12:21 PM
Message-id: <35f999f2.03032...@posting.google.com>
Derek Juhl
>
>Then I guess both sides are violating the settlement because the terms of the
settlement called for both sides to cease discussion.
>>
Bruce Barnes
Kurt,
You asked me if our Soka Spirit movement wants to get you back in SGI.
The answer is yes, but only if you want that too. You have made it
clear that you are happy where you are. I respect you and your
choice. You have also stated to the effect that we just need to leave
you guys alone. I would be happy with conversation with you, even if
you never come back to SGI. Affiliation is to me secondary to having
an ongoing dialogue.
You asked me "why the pretense?" Kurt, it's not a pretense. What I'm
saying is that the way to conclusively resolve the differences between
SGI and NST is through continuous conversation. I'm not presupposing
that such a resolution necessarily involves you or other Hokkeko
members joining SGI. True mutual understanding is as much as anyone
can reasonably hope for. I'm suggesting we start there.
I say the above in light of these facts:
There is the history. Up until 1990 NSA was based on a top down
organizational construct. It grew quickly here in the US and in many
ways was prone to excesses and authoritarianism. Many people suffered
greatly as a result. For all the talk about us being a cult, the fact
is that on the basis of gradually recreating individual human
interactions on the footing of equality and dialogue at all levels,
what is emerging is something that is the exact opposite of a cult.
Each member must assert through powerful prayer his or her own
sovereign equality. And each member must learn to respect the same
power and dignity in others. This dynamic is creating an organization
not based on top down but on mutuality. The same mutuality that the
Daishonin's Buddhism is based on. It's speak and listen. Or, speak
at the cost of one's life and listen at the cost of one's pride.
Some folks in NST seem to be a little "freeze framed" in their
perception of SGI. Of course, we are all entitled to the opinion of
our own choosing, but I feel that personal interaction would allow you
in NST and for that matter us in SGI a chance to better balance our
perceptions.
Sokagakkai is evolving. When the schism occured, the leadership of
our organization felt it was necessary to embark on a crash course on
antiauthoritarianism. It was the innoculation period and there was a
lot of overamping on the "don't follow the priests" rhetoric. I feel
that some of this led to hostility and meanness. (How's that for
understatement?)
As Americans, now more than ever, we are going to have to learn to
listen to people who don't agree with us. Such listening is humbling
even devastating. We in Sokagakkai are ready to do that with the
members of Hokkeko. We owe it to you.
Kurt, you say that I know how you and others in NST feel. I do but
not to the depths. And I want to, but of course, it's up to you.
.......Bruce Barnes
Gina
"Bruce Barnes" <Barne...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Bruce, they've been telling you how they feel to the depths on arbn for
years now. What did you miss?
BTW, just one look at the new sokaspirit.org pages tells me that SGI has
only changed for the worst. Do you not see that?
Gina
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Then I guess both sides are violating the settlement because the terms of the
> settlement called for both sides to cease discussion.
Nichiren Shoshu does not discuss the Clow case. However, "Soka
Spirit" is an official SGI site.
Derek Juhl
Cody
"Derek N.P.F. Juhl" <dere...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:35f999f2.03032...@posting.google.com...
You're using logic with her, Derek. This is something unfamiliar to this
"lady".
Cody
Cody
"Gina" <noe...@ihatemail.com> wrote in message
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Of course he has. He is a top SS leader in LA. He is also lying through his
teeth. For example, there was no "schism". Ikeda lost his job and like a
spoiled brat he emabarked on a million dollar lying campaign to get revenge
for being fired. It's that simple. Nothing complicated. Had Ikeda been a
real man instead of a rat, he would have accepted being fired, joined the
Hokkeko as a plain member and none of this would have happened and we all
would be practising in unity in the Hokkeko. ARBN would be a great shakubuku
tool!
Bruce says SGI has changed. I agree with you, for the worst. Ikeda is
adulated more than ever. For Crimeny's sake, they even put Ikeda on a par
with Ghandi and King and put on "exhibits" for this. What arrogance! Ikeda
has tried to destroy True Buddhisma and Ikeda himself says he is on a par
with Ghandi and King? Please!! The SS movement is in full swing. Buddhism is
rarely discussed. Gongyo has been changed. They are still issuing nohonzons.
Ikeda is still "writing" his hateful poems. SGI is still filing hundreds of
nuisance law suits against Nichiren Shoshu.
Cody
atheramari
Derek Juhl
>
>Then I guess both sides are violating the settlement because the terms of the
settlement called for both sides to cease discussion.
@@@@@@@@@@@@
Derek only sees HIS side. Haven't I been saying this?
Derek, its not JUST FOR NST..okay?
I know you think EVERYTHING is JUST FOR NST and NIKKEN, but it isn't.
She's right, it was an agreement for BOTH sides.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
::::does a dance with hand motions::
D
Foon
>
> Replying to Kurt:
>
> You asked me if our Soka Spirit movement wants to get you back in SGI.
> The answer is yes, but only if you want that too. You have made it
> clear that you are happy where you are. I respect you and your
> choice. You have also stated to the effect that we just need to leave
> you guys alone. I would be happy with conversation with you, even if
> you never come back to SGI. Affiliation is to me secondary to having
> an ongoing dialogue.
You may feel sincere in your last statement, although I doubt it, but the agenda is to elevate your sense of self in one way or another. You can claim to have offered "dialogue" and been rejected, or you can claim to have offered and been accepted and have undergone a long "dialogue" with one of THEM and thereby to have gained an understanding of THEM, or you can claim a huge VICTORY if you manage to subvert someone into going back to the gakkai. The other outcome, which you might not expect, is that you awaken finally, realize the destructive hypocrisy you have been practicing, and rejoin True Buddhism.
Now, how likely are you to fess up, overcome the expected gakkai spin, admit to one and all that you are parroting a view rather than really embracing it, and break free of the purely feudalistic status-conscious society which the gakkai has finally and fully become (wherein, the lower levels are kept so in the dark that they don't even KNOW they are the peons in a feudalistic hierarchy)?
(C'mon, you can't still be holding onto that old, raggedy 1990 Seikyo Times edition which was Mr. Ikeda's "prime instruction and real Gosho" for the next millennia, are ya? I know HQ. Chiefs who carried that in their back pockets for years! The BIBLE of Ikeda's new Buddhism!) Bzzzt! Buy a clue! He was setting you folks up for the break with Nichiren Shoshu he was about to cause! That issue alone is proof of who did what to whom! I've read that embarrassing, ecumenicizing, christianization of Buddhism ST issue. Its guiding spirit for the wimpy, soul-sucking gakkai which was to rancorously emerge from its putrid cocoon was evident even then, and repeated and repeated ad nauseum ever since.
> You asked me "why the pretense?" Kurt, it's not a pretense. What I'm
> saying is that the way to conclusively resolve the differences between
> SGI and NST is through continuous conversation. I'm not presupposing
> that such a resolution necessarily involves you or other Hokkeko
> members joining SGI. True mutual understanding is as much as anyone
> can reasonably hope for. I'm suggesting we start there.
You suggest that the disciples and followers of _*Nichiren Daishonin*_, the teacher of the Rissho Ankoku Ron, the never-compromising advocate of Buddhist orthodoxy, the triumphant Buddha who fulfilled all prophesies as the Thus Come One, the True Buddha who infused his Enlightened Life into the Dai-Gohonzon and passed it down through the Lineage of the Law using our High Priests for His Unprecedented Goal..... that _*His*_ followers should just... what?..... "Agree to disagree" with a pathetically heretical group of followers of a person named Ikeda?! For that is how we feel and believe through the proof and conviction we have received.
There will never be a compromise or reconciliation between True Buddhism and any other religion. Accept that fact if you accept no other. Our organizations and religions are NOT both practicing Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism. Nichiren Shoshu is, no one else is. You will NEVER manage to compromise that fact, nor deal with us as any sort of equals -- for you are not. We do not waffle, we do not lower ourselves to sit down with you as equals in a religious discussion... we... do... not... abandon... True... Buddhism... for... mere... friendship... or... ephemeral... power. Period.
> snip your skewed rewriting of gakkai history <
I know I jumped in here when you were replying to Kurt, but I doubt he'd disagree with me in the slightest (except for maybe some typos, grammatical errors, or an emphasis or two. ;)
With great respect for what you could be, but none for what you are, I am,
- Larry Crimmins, Phoenix, USA
dc
any other religion. Accept that fact if you accept no other. Our
are, no one else is. You will NEVER manage to compromise that fact, nor
deal with us as any sort of equals -- for you are not. We do not waffle, we
do not lower ourselves to sit down with you as equals in a religious
friendship... or... ephemeral... power. Period."
Foon Mohammed
Shirley
> Buddhism and any other religion. Accept that fact if you accept no
> other. Our organizations and religions are NOT both practicing Nichiren
> Daishonin's Buddhism. Nichiren Shoshu is, no one else is. You will
> NEVER manage to compromise that fact, nor deal with us as any sort of
> equals -- for you are not. We do not waffle, we do not lower ourselves
> to sit down with you as equals in a religious discussion... we... do...
> not... abandon... True... Buddhism... for... mere... friendship... or...
> ephemeral... power. Period.
> >
***From Shirley
Ah, and here we have an example of the fundamental darkness of human
nature that leads to all wars: ALL wars. "we do not lower ourselves
to sit down with you as equals..." Anti-equality, (the SGI makes
claims to exclusive ownership of the true practice, but it would never
yowl about "not as any sort of equals" as you have foolishly done)
Anti-communication, dehumanization, anti-friendship, We are the only
way... Personally, I reject it! I reject it in the SGI. I reject it
from political hawks. I reject it from NST.
I reject all arguments that would seek to shrink the Law of Myoho and
plant their puny little ownership flag and claim exclusive ownership.
I have a theory that if human beings are seeking and are exposed
(continuously - not just one conversation) to truth and falsehood,
side-by-side, their wisdom will inevitably zero in on and choose the
truth. The masses have and can be dreadfully misled (history has
shown) by constantly being pummeled with only one version of the
truth.
Your perception of the mere act of dialogue and being exposed to other
views as, "abandoning" your own convictions shows that you definitely
do not share the faith in the human potential (or yourself) that I do.
How can anyone claim ownership of, Myoho - reality itself?
Here are some quotes about the Law from another list:
Question: "How can Myoho-Renge-Kyo be a teacher? Someone has to
teach
it."
To learn from all the elements of life is to learn from Myoho-renge-
kyo. Life is the greatest teacher that one will ever have.
The Daishonin taught: "Once you realize that your own life is the
Mystic Law, you will realize that so are the lives of all others."
(From "On Attaining Buddhahood")
The Daishonin also wrote: "..all beings and their environments in any
of the Ten Worlds, from Hell at the lowest to Buddhahood at the
highest, are, without exception, the manifestations of Myoho-renge-
kyo." from "The True Entity of Life"
And:
"The two Buddhas, Shakyamuni and Taho, are merely functions of the
true Buddha, while Myoho-renge-kyo actually is the true Buddha." Ibid.
And:
"Reality is another expression for Myoho-renge-kyo; hence Myoho-renge-
kyo is manifest in all phenomena." Ibid.
Shirley
Shirley
>
> So, your "empowerment" is "embedded" in your life?
>
> Seriously, here's the definition of "empowerment":
>
> Main Entry: em·pow·er
> Pronunciation: im-'pau(-&)r
> Function: transitive verb
> Date: 1648
> 1 : to give official authority or legal power to
> 2 : ENABLE 1a
> 3 : to promote the self-actualization or influence of <women's movement has
> been inspiring and empowering women -- Ron Hansen>
> - em·pow·er·ment /-m&nt/ noun
>
> Which meaning did you have in mind, Shirley?
>
> Cody
******From Shirley ---
Very simple, SELF EMPOWERMENT. A oneness with the Law of Myoho.
Shirley
PS - you used the word "embedded" - I didn't. Too many newscasts
about "embedded journalists." ... interesting term.
Cody
news:<lqMga.10087$qF6.3...@news.ono.com>...
> >
> > So, your "empowerment" is "embedded" in your life?
> >
> > Seriously, here's the definition of "empowerment":
> >
> > Main Entry: em·pow·er
> > Pronunciation: im-'pau(-&)r
> > Function: transitive verb
> > Date: 1648
> > 1 : to give official authority or legal power to
> > 2 : ENABLE 1a
> > 3 : to promote the self-actualization or influence of <women's movement
has
> > been inspiring and empowering women -- Ron Hansen>
> > - em·pow·er·ment /-m&nt/ noun
> >
> > Which meaning did you have in mind, Shirley?
> >
> > Cody
>
>
> ******From Shirley ---
> Very simple, SELF EMPOWERMENT. A oneness with the Law of Myoho.
Er, that isn't one of the choices, Shirley. Did you mean number 2, "enable"?
Are you trying to say "we" can be one with the Law of Myoho and thereby
become "empowered"?
>
> Shirley
> PS - you used the word "embedded" - I didn't. Too many newscasts
> about "embedded journalists." ... interesting term.
It was my attempt at humour and at making a parody of your new New Age word,
"empowerment".
Cody
doppelganger
boycotting the Dai-Gohonzon...instead people made trips to Japan to be
with Ikeda......
and why do people keep their Gohonzons inscribed by the High
Priest Nittatsu Shonin? ( Because they know that the no-honzons are
not true )
d
"Foon" <fo...@sunlink.net> wrote in message news:<LnXga.39$eg2....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> You suggest that the disciples and followers of *Nichiren
> Daishonin* , the teacher of the Rissho Ankoku Ron, the
> never-compromising advocate of Buddhist orthodoxy, the triumphant Buddha
> who fulfilled all prophesies as the Thus Come One, the True Buddha who
> infused his Enlightened Life into the Dai-Gohonzon and passed it down
> through the Lineage of the Law using our High Priests for His
> Unprecedented Goal..... that *His* followers should just...