Can Noel's wife translate ?

[Katie Higgins]

A quote for the shepards of lies:
若如經文一ヒ悪口ﾉ罪生身ﾉ佛ｦ一劫ﾉ中罵ﾙ勝ﾀﾘ。宗祖ハ如来使ﾅﾙｺﾄ分明也。

How vital is it to " know" what has actually been written ?

Nichiren based his teachings on scripture - did not rely on his Tendai colleagues interpretations , oral transmissions or mind -revelation , master / disciple secret transmissions.

Those claiming to follow Nichiren must thoroughly examine that which they claim is " the true teaching " -- otherwise they will fall into the vortex of lies and corruption.

~Katie

[Chas.]

Readers will note that Mark Rogow and Katie smear along with what the KGB used to call the "useful idiots" Iain and now Noel and Ricky, while I quote the many history books to make my case against the un-indicted war criminals of Nichiren Shu, initiators and co-perpetrators of the Asian Holocaust against the peoples of the Pacific Rim and especially the Chinese people of Nanking.

These war criminals have never been brought to justice.

It is high time that they are hauled into court, because there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

Justice for the victims of the Rape of Nanking and elsewhere, and prosecution of the war criminals of Nichiren Shu, whose radical militaristic followers and chaplains misled the Japanese people and the royalty into this abomination!

Their distortions of Nichiren Buddhism into Shinto statue worship is the cause, and that distortion continues to be perpetuated by Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and their "useful idiot", Iain.

Their attacks on the SGI are merely a cover for their perpetual guilt over their complicity in war crimes while the founders of the SGI were cornered by Imperial Way Buddhism and their Shinto Talisman supporting the Pacifc War of Imperial State Zen. Mr. Makiguchi and Mr. Toda were ultimately imprisoned in Tokyo until Mr. Makiguchi's death and Mr. Toda's release at the end of the War, while the forces unleashed by Nichiren Shu (and with the complicity of the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) ran rampant over China and the Pacific Rim.

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

and here:

http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html

The Rape of Nanking (1937), also known as the Nanjing Massacre

The Bangka Island Massacre (1942): Slaughter of Australian Army Nurses

The Bataan Death March (1942)

The Sandakan Death March (1945)

Murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track (1942)

Conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels (1937-1945)

Mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo

Murder and cannibalism - captured American pilots

-Chas

[Noel]

No matter what is written such a person as you of incorrigible disbelief would never understand

[Katie Higgins]

No matter what was written by Nichiren himself, lazy hobos like you would resort to name calling rather than get off your lazy behind and do some research!!

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

In other words, Chas cannot translate the actual words of the "great reformer of Nichiren's Buddhism"!!

~Katie

[Noel]

Can you see that you accuse us of the very thing you do yourself


"The Words and Phrases of the Lotus Sutra by T’ien-t’ai speaks of the three poisons as the underlying cause of the three calamities of famine, war, and pestilence, stating:

Because anger increases in intensity, armed strife occurs.

Because greed increases in intensity, famine arises.

Because foolishness increases in intensity, pestilence breaks out.

And because these three calamities occur, earthly desires grow more numerous and powerful than ever, and false views increasingly flourish.”

Your false views are increasingly flourishing as your foolishness grows



"In the “Simile and Parable” (third) chapter of the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni says to Shāriputra, “He [the Thus Come One] is born into the threefold world, a burning house, rotten and old, in order to save living beings from the fires of birth, aging, sickness, and death, care, suffering, stupidity, misunderstanding, and the three poisons; to teach and convert them and enable them to attain supreme perfect enlightenment.”

Katie being a Shakyamuni Buddhist has shut the door to Thus Come One and remains in a rotten and old burning house, even though the 3 bodied Thus Come One Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo is here to save living beings from the fires of birth, aging, sickness, and death, care, suffering, stupidity, misunderstanding, and the three poisons

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren--himself:


"Therefore, the words of this Sutra are indeed the very soul of Shakyamuni Buddha. And since every single word constitutes the soul of the Buddha, Shakyamuni Buddha will protect persons who practice this Sutra as though he were protecting his very own eyes. He will accompany such persons just as a shadow accompanies a body. How then could the prayers of such persons not be answered."

"In the same volume in the Lotus Sutra, the Buddha says, 'for the sake of the Buddha way I have in countless different lands from the begining until now widely preached various sutras, but among them this Sutra is foremost'. This passage means that Shakyamuni Buddha has appeared in countless lands, taking different names and assuming varying life spans."

"I Nichiren, humble person though I am, have received Lord Shakyamuni's royal command and come to this country of Japan."


Noel, is operating by command of his own overinflated ego!

~Katie

[Noel]

Nichiren is talking about you Katie

“But the present age is a defiled one. Because the minds of people are warped and twisted, and provisional teachings and slander alone abound, the correct teaching cannot prevail.

In times like these, it is useless to practice the reading, reciting, and copying [of the Lotus Sutra] or to devote oneself to the methods and practices of meditation."

[Katie Higgins]

I get very clear communication from Nichiren , reading his writings , applying myself to the practice he documented as his own , which did focus on reciting the Lotus Sutra. There is something mystical in hearing the Buddha's words ; there is the unique quality of sound and the significance Nichiren showed for the words themselves , the Buddha's own mind , his true intention.

~Katie

[Noel]

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 2:13:10 PM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I get very clear communication from Nichiren , reading his writings , applying myself to the practice he documented as his own , which did focus on reciting the Lotus Sutra. There is something mystical in hearing the Buddha's words ; there is the unique quality of sound and the significance Nichiren showed for the words themselves , the Buddha's own mind , his true intention.
>
> ~Katie

As far we go receiving communication from Nichiren its like we are living on different planets from what we get out of it. The message that you receive is so different, just have to accept that this is the situation without being judgmental of you. It would have to be a similar way that you treat your patients when they are incoherent and misbehave. You have to look at their history of what happened to them and understand why they are the way they are

[Chas.]

On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 9:13:10 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I get very clear communication from Nichiren , reading his writings , applying myself to the practice he documented as his own , which did focus on reciting the Lotus Sutra. There is something mystical in hearing the Buddha's words ; there is the unique quality of sound and the significance Nichiren showed for the words themselves , the Buddha's own mind , his true intention.
>
> ~Katie

That is absolute baloney. You read into his discussions of ey-opening that worshiping statues of Shakyamuni as God Almighty is OK.

Everywhere else, that Nichiren Daishonin tells you what not to do, you do that thing, and when he tells you what to do , you don't do it. You don't hear Nichiren Daishonin's voice at all. You ignore his every admonition.

For instance:
___________________________________________

________ Slanders of the common mortal ___________
________ as the true Buddha ______________________

Let's revisit that ARBN quote from the follower of the Nichiren Shu traitorous founders, the Five Senior Priests who converted Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Buddhism into a syncretic Shinto statue-worshiping of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth:

||| I have considered the recipients of Nichiren's writings to
||| be a key factor, or rather, an important element regarding
||| the *meaning* conveyed. Nichiren wrote about the Gohonzon
||| to disciples and lay followers whom he had taught for
||| almost two decades; all of whom grasped the doctrines
||| Nichiren himself established for propagating
||| Myoho-renge-kyo in this latter age.
|||
||| Do you, Chas, accept and believe the preceding 18 years of
||| Nichiren's teachings , written to these disciples and lay
||| followers? In those writings I find and provide passages
||| here, to establish that Nichiren himself taught the primacy
||| of the daimoku as " a complete explanation" of the Lotus
||| Sutra, and Shakyamuni as the true, eternal Buddha. Since
||| you have dismissed the basic understanding ALL recipients
||| of Nichiren's writings most certainly had, how can you make
||| any determinations about the *meaning* expressed in the
||| Gosho?

There are many pillars upholding the difference of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra from all other Buddhisms, which are then clearly distortions of the Buddha's teachings and intent.

It's also abundantly true that all of Nichiren Daishonin's pillars stand together in perfect logical harmony, without the tiniest weak point in the structure. All of the deviant variants of Buddhism are like horrid collapsing lopsided structures in comparison. They are tents and hastily erected shacks that do not survive even the slight breeze. Let's start with the notion of manifesting Buddhahood in an instant:

From "Wu-lung and I-lung", WND I, p. 1099 (most relevant part highlighted):

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/162#para-1

... Myoho-renge-kyo is likened to the lotus. The great māndāra
... flower in heaven and the cherry blossom in the human world
... are both celebrated flowers, but the Buddha chose neither
... to compare to the Lotus Sutra. Of all the flowers, he
... selected the lotus blossom to symbolize the Lotus Sutra.
... There is a reason for this. Some plants first flower and
... then produce fruit, while in others fruit comes forth
... before flowers. Some bear only one flower but much fruit,
... others send forth many flowers but only one fruit, and
>> still others produce fruit without flowering. THUS THERE
>> ARE ALL MANNER OF PLANTS, BUT THE LOTUS IS THE ONLY ONE
>> THAT BEARS FLOWERS AND FRUIT SIMULTANEOUSLY. THE BENEFIT OF
>> ALL THE OTHER SUTRAS IS UNCERTAIN, BECAUSE THEY TEACH THAT
>> ONE MUST FIRST MAKE GOOD CAUSES AND ONLY THEN CAN ONE
>> BECOME A BUDDHA AT SOME LATER TIME. WITH REGARD TO THE
>> LOTUS SUTRA, WHEN ONE'S HAND TAKES IT UP, THAT HAND
>> IMMEDIATELY ATTAINS BUDDHAHOOD, AND WHEN ONE'S MOUTH CHANTS
>> IT, THAT MOUTH IS ITSELF A BUDDHA, AS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
>> MOON IS REFLECTED IN THE WATER THE MOMENT IT APPEARS FROM
>> BEHIND THE EASTERN MOUNTAINS, OR AS A SOUND AND ITS ECHO
>> ARISE SIMULTANEOUSLY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT THE SUTRA
>> STATES, "IF THERE ARE THOSE WHO HEAR THE LAW, THEN NOT A
>> ONE WILL FAIL TO ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD." THIS PASSAGE MEANS
>> THAT, IF THERE ARE A HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO
>> UPHOLD THIS SUTRA, WITHOUT A SINGLE EXCEPTION ALL ONE
>> HUNDRED OR ONE THOUSAND OF THEM WILL BECOME BUDDHAS.

The piece to focus on here is:

"The benefit of all the other sutras is uncertain, because they teach that one must first make good causes and only then can one become a Buddha at some later time. With regard to the Lotus Sutra, when one's hand takes it up, that hand immediately attains Buddhahood, and when one's mouth chants it, that mouth is itself a Buddha"

The only conceivable way that one can attain Buddhahood simultaneously with chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, is if one is already a Buddha, and one only needs to chant the daimoku to manifest that pre-existing and inherited Buddhahood.

As argued clearly in the previous 2nd section on slanders of the true aspect of all phenomena, (1.) the common mortal is the true Buddha and provisional Buddhas are a function of the true Buddha (common mortal), and (2.) all phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity, but is inclusive of all entities.

The view that the provisional Buddhas who appear to save we common mortals are THE Buddha, and that we ARE NOT, is a slander of the Lotus Sutra in the Latter Day of the Law and it arises from confusing inconspicuous benefit with enlightenment.

Here is Nichiren Daishonin's explanation of the differences in the teachings, and which view the Lotus Sutra takes.

From "The Unanimous Declaration by the Buddhas", WND II, p. 859:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/315#para-185

>> WHEN ONE TURNS TO THE PERFECT TEACHING, however, and sees
... that all phenomena are perfectly fused together, full and
... perfect like the moon on the fifteenth night of the month,
... free of all insufficiency, and when one understands them to
>> the fullest, THEN THERE IS NO MORE JUDGING THEM AS GOOD OR
>> BAD, NO MORE CHOOSING ON THE BASIS OF WHAT IS TIMELY, NO
>> MORE NEED TO SEEK OUT A QUIET SETTING, NO MORE QUESTION OF
>> WHICH PERSONS ARE ELIGIBLE. When one understands that all
... phenomena whatsoever are manifestations of the Buddhist
... Law, then one has fully comprehended the nature of the
... things of the phenomenal realm. Then even if one follows a
... path that is not the way, one will still be fulfilling
... the Buddha way.
...
>> HEAVEN, EARTH, WATER, FIRE, AND WIND ARE THE FIVE WISDOM
>> THUS COME ONES. THEY RESIDE WITHIN THE BODY AND MIND OF ALL
>> LIVING BEINGS AND ARE NEVER SEPARATED FROM THEM EVEN FOR AN
>> INSTANT. THEREFORE WORLDLY AFFAIRS AND AFFAIRS RELATING TO
>> ENLIGHTENMENT BLEND TOGETHER IN HARMONY WITHIN THE MIND OF
>> THE INDIVIDUAL; OUTSIDE OF THE MIND, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO
>> OTHER THING THAT EXISTS. THEREFORE, WHEN ONE HEARS THIS
>> TRUTH, ONE CAN AT THAT POINT IMMEDIATELY ATTAIN THE GOAL OF
>> BUDDHAHOOD WITHOUT A MOMENT'S DELAY, FOR IT IS A PRINCIPLE
>> OF THE UTMOST PROFUNDITY.

To confuse inconspicuous benefit with enlightenment is a slander of the Lotus Sutra, and will cause one to fall into the evil paths.

Inconspicuous benefit grows slowly as one practices, like a great tree.

Being the true Buddha is the heritage of the Law, received from your parents at birth in the form of the three bodies of the Buddha, establishing your true identity as Myoho-Renge, the Entity of the Mystic Law.

You have always been and will always be the true Buddha: to be a living being is to be the true Buddha.

What in heaven's name is so difficult to understand about the common mortal being the true Buddha? It has nothing at all to do with the "original enlightenment" of corrupted Tendai traitors, who just want to sit on their ass and do nothing.

SGI members accept that the enlightenment they attain upon chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to the Gohonzon means that they have to walk that talk: the characteristics of a Buddha are the characteristics of a Bodhisattva bent on doing Kosen Rufu. Law -> Wisdom -> Action, and the action of shakubuku speaks the loudest: shakubuku manifests your Buddhahood most clearly.

All living beings are Buddhas, endowed with the three Bodies of the Buddha received from their parents.

From "On the Treasure Tower," WND I, pp. 299-300:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31#para-3
.. YOU, YOURSELF, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY
.. ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES. You should
.. chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with this conviction. Then the
.. place where you chant daimoku will become the dwelling
.. place of the treasure tower.

He says it plainly right there: "You, yourself, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES." Nichiren Daishonin is not just being a cheerleader for Abutsu-bo here, he really means it.

From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 131:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-202
.. THE BUDDHA NATURE THAT ALL THESE BEINGS POSSESS IS CALLED
.. BY THE NAME MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. THEREFORE, IF YOU RECITE THESE
.. WORDS OF THE DAIMOKU ONCE, THEN THE BUDDHA NATURE OF ALL
.. LIVING BEINGS WILL BE SUMMONED AND GATHER AROUND YOU. AT
.. THAT TIME THE THREE BODIES OF THE DHARMA NATURE WITHIN
.. YOU—THE DHARMA BODY, THE REWARD BODY, AND THE MANIFESTED
.. BODY—WILL BE DRAWN FORTH AND BECOME MANIFEST. THIS IS
.. CALLED ATTAINING BUDDHAHOOD. To illustrate, when a caged
.. bird sings, the many birds flying in the sky all gather
.. around it at once; seeing this, the bird in the cage
.. strives to get out.”

And there he says it again, very clearly, no interpretation required. "... if you recite the words of the daimoku once ... This is called attaining Buddhahood."

From "The Unanimous Declaration by the Buddhas of the Three Existences regarding the Classification of the Teachings and Which Are to Be Abandoned and Which Upheld," WND II, pp. 847-848:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/315#para-105
.. THE SENTIENT BEINGS AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TEN WORLDS
.. ARE THE BUDDHA OF THE DHARMA BODY, ONE WHO POSSESSES THE
.. VIRTUE OF THE THREE BODIES IN A SINGLE ENTITY. Once one has
.. understood this, one will fully realize that all phenomena
.. are the Buddhist Law. This is known as the stage of hearing
.. the name and words of the truth. FROM THE STAGE OF HEARING
.. THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH ONE PROCEEDS DIRECTLY TO
.. THE ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM. Thus
.. in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment
.. there are no successive stages of practice.

Note the phrase: "From the stage of HEARING THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH one proceeds directly to the ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM."

From hearing the daimoku -> directly to attaining Buddhahood.

Then he says: "Thus in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment THERE ARE NO SUCCESSIVE STAGES OF PRACTICE."

Thus, there are no extra practices needed to attain Buddhahood.

Enlightenment or Buddhahood is attained by hearing or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for the very first time. In that moment you are a participant in the ceremony in the air.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 429:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-89

.. Therefore, we understand that, once the “Life Span”
.. chapter of the essential teaching had been revealed, ALL
.. THOSE IN THE ASSEMBLY ON EAGLE PEAK BECAME ENLIGHTENED TO
.. THE LOTUS OF THE ENTITY. Those of the two vehicles, the
.. icchantikas, or persons of incorrigible disbelief, and
.. the determinate groups, as well as women and evil men,
.. ALL GAINED AN AWAKENING TO THE LOTUS OF THE ETERNAL BUDDHA.

All living beings are Buddhas, and they all attain Buddhahood/enlightenment in the ceremony in the air, which you participate in, upon any contact with the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra.

From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 133:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-217

.. “It is the same way with the practitioners of the Lotus
.. Sutra. THOUGH THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES OF
.. BUDDHISM AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM
.. DELUSION, IF ONLY THEY HAVE FAITH, THEN WITHOUT A DOUBT
.. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FREE THEMSELVES simultaneously from
.. the illnesses of the three categories of illusion—illusions
.. of thought and desire, illusions innumerable as particles
.. of dust and sand, and illusions about the true nature of
.. existence. THEY WILL REACH THE LANDS OF ACTUAL REWARD AND
.. TRANQUIL LIGHT, AND CAUSE THE THREE BODIES OF A THUS COME
.. ONE THAT THEY INHERENTLY POSSESS TO SHINE.

In Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo IS EQUAL TO FAITH, chanting it and even hearing it is attaining enlightenment and manifesting your inherent Buddhahood.

From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 470:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-20
.. People may well wonder what this revelation means. Explain
.. that it teaches that COMMON PEOPLE LIKE OURSELVES, who have
.. been submerged in the sufferings of birth and death since
.. time without beginning and who never so much as dreamed of
.. reaching the shore of enlightenment, BECOME THE THUS COME
.. ONES WHO ARE ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE
.. THREE BODIES.

And that means through the revelation (hearing the daimoku, chanting it) of the Lotus Sutra itself, we common people become the Thus Come Ones (plural,) not through some Bodhisattva path. We perform as Bodhisattvas, BECAUSE WE HAVE ATTAINED BUDDHAHOOD THROUGH CHANTING NAM_MYOHO_RENGE_KYO TO THE GOHONZON.

From "The One Essential Phrase," WND I, p. 922:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/121#para-1
.. SINCE THE LOTUS SUTRA DEFINES OUR BODY AS THE DHARMA BODY
.. OF A THUS COME ONE, OUR MIND AS THE REWARD BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, AND OUR ACTIONS AS THE MANIFESTED BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, ALL WHO UPHOLD AND BELIEVE IN EVEN A SINGLE
.. PHRASE OR VERSE OF THIS SUTRA WILL BE ENDOWED WITH THE
.. BENEFITS OF THESE THREE BODIES. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is only
.. one phrase or verse, but it is no ordinary phrase, for it
.. is the essence of the entire sutra. YOU ASKED WHETHER ONE
.. CAN ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD ONLY BY CHANTING NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO,
.. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL. THIS IS THE
.. HEART OF THE ENTIRE SUTRA AND THE SUBSTANCE OF ITS EIGHT
.. VOLUMES.

Just by chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, we can attain Buddhahood. He doesn't say how long we have to chant, because it happens immediately.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-29
.. IN ESSENCE, THE ENTITY OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS THE PHYSICAL
.. BODY THAT THE DISCIPLES AND FOLLOWERS OF NICHIREN WHO
.. BELIEVE IN THE LOTUS SUTRA RECEIVED FROM THEIR FATHERS AND
.. MOTHERS AT BIRTH. Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD
.. EXPEDIENT MEANS, PUT FAITH IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ALONE, AND
.. CHANT NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, WILL TRANSFORM THE THREE PATHS
.. OF EARTHLY DESIRES, KARMA, AND SUFFERING INTO THE THREE
.. VIRTUES OF THE DHARMA BODY, WISDOM, AND EMANCIPATION. The
.. threefold contemplation and the three truths will
.. immediately become manifest in their minds, and the place
.. where they live will become the Land of Eternally Tranquil
.. Light. The Buddha who is the entity of Myoho-renge-kyo, of
.. the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching, who is
.. both inhabiting subject and inhabited realm, life and
.. environment, body and mind, entity and function, THE BUDDHA
.. ETERNALLY ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES—HE IS TO BE FOUND
.. IN THE DISCIPLES AND LAY BELIEVERS OF NICHIREN.

Notice the qualifying phrase:

"Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD EXPEDIENT MEANS, put faith in the Lotus Sutra alone, and chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, will transform the three paths of earthly desires, karma, and suffering into the three virtues of the Dharma body, wisdom, and emancipation."

You have to "honestly discard expediant means" to gain the benefits of the three bodies: you can't worship statues, practice the four dictums (Zen, Nembutsu, Tantric/True Word, Shakyamuni's provisional precepts), join with Shinto, or chant to pirated printouts of Gohonzon stolen by traitorous, thieving, murderous priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping Shinto cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of God Almighty, which he would have rejected as utterly narcissistic. That slander of complicity cancels your benefits of the three bodies.

From "The Doctrine of Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life," WND II, p. 87:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/180#para-43
.. THIS MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS A TERM DESIGNATING THE ESSENTIAL
.. NATURE OF OUR MINDS, OR, MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE
.. ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THE MINDS OF ALL LIVING BEINGS, THE
.. EIGHT-PETALED WHITE LOTUS BLOSSOM. THE WORDS OF THE BUDDHA
.. HIMSELF TEACH US THIS. From time without beginning until
.. the present, these bodies of ours have transmigrated
.. through the realm of birth and death, in a state of
.. delusion as to the essential nature of the mind that is
.. within these bodies. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE
.. LOTUS SUTRA AND CHANT THE DAIMOKU THAT REPRESENTS THE THUS
.. COME ONE OF ORIGINAL ENLIGHTENMENT, WHO POSSESSES THE THREE
.. BODIES IN A SINGLE BODY, THE THUS COME ONE BECOMES
.. MANIFEST. In our present existence we achieve the inner
.. realization and attainment of Buddhahood that is known as
.. the attainment of Buddhahood in our present form.

Once again, he states it clearly and without any amount of chanting or time passage: our Buddhahood "becomes manifest" at the point when we "have encountered the Lotus Sutra and chanted the daimoku."

You have always been and will always be the true Buddha: to be a living being is to be the true Buddha. More detail on this in the 7th section below on Gradualism.

-Chas.

[Noel]

One proceeds directly to the attainment of Buddhahhod is a journey. Simultaneously experiencing Buddhahhod in Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life doesn't mean that Buddhahood has become our dominant life condition. If we think that, then we are the same as the traitorous Tendai priests that distorted the meaning of Hongaku

[Noel]

Simultaneously experiencing Buddhahhod in Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life doesn't mean that Buddhahood has become our dominant life condition like Shakyamuni and Nichiren. If we think that, then we are the same as the traitorous Tendai priests that distorted the meaning of Hongaku

Attaining Buddhahood in single moment is also a dominant life condition but for only that fleeting moment. Unless we are in that state consistently we cant consider that we have attained the state of Buddhahood as our dominant life condition of the ten worlds in which all Buddhas throughout the 10 directions and 3 existences dwell even though we only experience this state temporarily


The more the 3 innate Buddha bodies manifest in our life the more solid the life condition of buudhahood is established in our life

Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo is indeed such a diligent practice

If we believe that we have attained that solid state of Buddhahood when we have not,then it becomes a great cause for confusion



15. Emerging from the Earth

Text: “And in order that day and night with constant diligence / they may seek the Buddha way”

Alternative reading: Constant diligence day and night—this has always been the way to seek the Buddha way.

Summary: This passage is saying that if in a single moment of life we exhaust the pains and trials of millions of kalpas, then instant after instant there will arise in us the three Buddha bodies with which we are eternally endowed. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is just such a “diligent” practice.

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/Separate-Transmission/1

[Katie Higgins]

I think maybe you have an aversion to submitting your ego. Period--, and this bears out in your oft made comments regarding my profession; whether mocking me as a psychiatric nurse, or claiming to know the nature of the work I do in this field with adolescents.

You just cannot descend from your pulpit for any other reason than to cozy up in your armchair!!

The point I will reiterate her is that "hearing" the teaching is strongly emphasized by Nichiren because it is the teaching of the Buddha-- and the purpose for reciting the sutra. Is this too simple a concept for your constantly over reading complex mind?

~Katie

[Chas.]

What motivates Katie Higgins, Mark Rogow (Buku) and what the KGB calls their "useful idiots", Iain and now Noel and Ricky, to go on like this (aside from their inner demons cultivated by slandering the Law through chanting to statues and images), what causes them to attack the SGI so vigorously? They are connected to Nichiren Shu and Kempon Hokke and other temples and these temples are un-indicted co-conspirators in war crimes.

It's not just that their Nichiren Shu youth militia groups were the incendiary driving force behind the inner officer corps of the Imperial Japanese forces that pushed for expansion into the Asian Pacific War.

It's not just that their Nichiren Shu chaplains were on the front lines with those ravenous militias as they committed war crimes around the Asia Pacific, cheering them on and correcting their style of Zen beheading of innocents, and using bound captives for bayonet and other kinds of practice.

It's that at the very beginning, Nichiren Shu priests created the premise for invasion of China, they were the match that lit the conflagration.

They will deny the truth in their usual incendiary manner, but the two posts below quote many history books and you cannot deny the condemnation of history.

From: "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #1"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/pfHcnbnjHus/B_RYwmkbCgAJ

and from "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #2"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/QgGf39rK6jU/39hhlHcbCgAJ

So the answer to why they attack the SGI?

It's to cover up with flak the fact that Mr. Makiguchi died in prison, while Mr Toda spent the War in prison to be released at the end, for standing up the the imperial Way Buddhism and Imperial State Zen government perpetrating the Pacific War and its countless atrocities, which Nichiren Shu initiated, promulgated and rode the four horses of the Apocalypse straight through.

They can do no other than what they are doing to save the shreds of face that they still possess. That's why.

-Chas.

[Noel]

You underestimate Nichiren and ego trip that know what he says when it is clear that you dont. You treat others here as if they were your patients but it doesn't work here. Go play doctors and nurses with Mark and look for some more people that fit into a subordinate patient relationship that bolsters that obese obscene ego of yours that hates Nichiren



"In a single moment of life we exhaust the pains and trials of millions of kalpas, then instant after instant there will arise in us the three Buddha bodies with which we are eternally endowed. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is just such a “diligent” practice."

[Chas.]

Katie overestimates the duration of her spells over her zombies. Apparently a couple of months is all she's good for.

As for Noel and Ricky, the influence they are under will last until the printout ink fades on their pirated stolen Gohonzon.
_________________________________________

_______ Slanders of the Gohonzon ________________

In an exchange with a follower of the errant 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu on ARBN:

||||.. "You make yourself an enemy of the Lotus Sutra by
||||.. slandering the true aspect via your worship of statues. "
||||
|||| BREAKING NEWS-- I don't worship statues !!
||||
|||| I have one statue, 6 inches in height of Shakyamuni Buddha
|||| below my Nichiren Gohonzon.
||||
|||| Nichiren kept a statue of Shakyamuni and he instructed at
|||| least tree of his disciples on consecrating their statues
|||| of Shakyamuni which they had fashioned themselves!! Three
|||| Goshos describe the meaning of having an image of
|||| Shakyamuni-- and all have been references and presented as
|||| responses to accusations like this one posted by Chas,
|||| months ago.
||||
|||| Chas, you either cannot read, or simply prefers to blast
|||| your own warped notions as though they were facts. Saw a
|||| lot of that during the presidential campaign --
..
.. It's in front of your Butsudan. From the viewpoint of the
.. Gohonzon, you are making it [at least] an equal.

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

From "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 384:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-7

>> Although not worthy of the honor, I, NICHIREN, WAS
>> NEVERTHELESS THE FIRST TO SPREAD THE MYSTIC LAW ENTRUSTED
>> TO BODHISATTVA SUPERIOR PRACTICES FOR PROPAGATION IN THE
>> LATTER DAY OF THE LAW. I WAS ALSO THE FIRST, THOUGH ONLY
>> BODHISATTVA SUPERIOR PRACTICES IS SO EMPOWERED, TO INSCRIBE
>> [THE OBJECT OF DEVOTION as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni
... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the "Life Span"
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the "Treasure Tower" chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the "Emerging from the Earth"
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. NOT onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

Continuing in that passage:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-8

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote
>> island is, I believe, AN OFFENSE THAT CAN NEVER BE
>> EXPIATED, EVEN WITH THE PASSING OF COUNTLESS KALPAS. A
>> PASSAGE FROM THE "SIMILE AND PARABLE" CHAPTER READS, "IF I
>> WERE TO DESCRIBE THE PUNISHMENTS [THAT FALL ON PERSONS WHO
>> SLANDER THIS SUTRA], I COULD EXHAUST A KALPA AND NEVER COME
>> TO THE END." On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the
... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and
>> lay supporter. THE SUTRA READS, "[THE BENEFITS HE GAINS
>> THEREBY WILL BE SUCH THAT] EVEN THE BUDDHA WISDOM COULD
>> NEVER FINISH CALCULATING THEIR EXTENT."

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit:

"an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope EVEN FOR THEM, because:

'The sutra reads, "[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent."'

Continuing in that passage:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-9

>> NICHIREN ALONE TOOK THE LEAD IN CARRYING OUT THE TASK OF
>> THE BODHISATTVAS OF THE EARTH. HE MAY EVEN BE ONE OF THEM.
>> IF NICHIREN IS TO BE COUNTED AMONG THE BODHISATTVAS OF THE
>> EARTH, THEN SO MUST HIS DISCIPLES AND LAY SUPPORTERS. The
... sutra states: "If one [of these good men or good women in
>> the time after I have passed into extinction] IS ABLE TO
>> SECRETLY EXPOUND THE LOTUS SUTRA TO ONE PERSON, EVEN ONE
>> PHRASE OF IT, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT HE OR SHE IS THE
>> ENVOY OF THE THUS COME ONE. HE HAS BEEN DISPATCHED BY THE
>> THUS COME ONE AND CARRIES OUT THE THUS COME ONE'S WORK."
... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

In Nichiren's role as "taking the lead" of the task of Kosen Rufu, he established the Gohonzon as THE supreme object of devotion:

And at the end of the "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 386:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-16

... In this letter, I have written my most important teachings.
... Grasp their meaning firmly, and make them a part of your
>> life. Believe in the Gohonzon, THE SUPREME OBJECT OF
>> DEVOTION IN ALL OF JAMBUDVĪPA. Be sure to strengthen your
... faith, and receive the protection of Shakyamuni, Many
... Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions. Exert
... yourself in the two ways of practice and study. Without
... practice and study, there can be no Buddhism. You must not
... only persevere yourself; you must also teach others. Both
... practice and study arise from faith. Teach others to the
... best of your ability, even if it is only a single sentence
... or phrase. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
...
...................................... With my deep respect,
...
................................................... Nichiren
...
...
........... The seventeenth day of the fifth month

So, placing ANY OTHER object of devotion in front of, beside, on the same altar with, or frankly, anywhere in the room or building housing the Gohonzon, which is the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", would be slandering the Gohonzon by conflating the two as equal, or even near equal in worthiness of your devotion, or even within the same realm of equality.

And in my view, placed anywhere "in all of Jambudvipa" along with the Gohonzon is a slander of the Gohonzon. That is simply taking the Daishonin at his word.

Continuing the exchange with the very same follower of the errant 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu on ARBN, out comes the ultimate result of the slanderous view taken above in the earlier exchange:

||| So it was about 18 years between nichuren's establishing
||| Namu-myoho-renge-kyo as the ESSENTIAL practice of the Lotus
||| sutra for this latter age AND the first Honzon masala
||| inscribed by nichiren for a priest who was imprisoned for
||| not recanting his faith in Nichiren's teachings. The first
||| Gohonzon was inscribed on the eve of Nichiren's exile to
||| Sado--right?
|||
||| If you read and study the letters Nichiren wrote from
||| 1271-1282 you will not find a single teaching that claims
||| ONLY with Gohonzon can one attain Buddhahood. What you
||| would also find is that Nichiren was selective bestowing
||| Gohonzon-- it seems that right from the start Nichiren
||| emphasized FAITH alone as the main criteria for bestowing
||| Gohonzon. Now, if you check out what Nichiren taught those
||| who received Gohonzon directly from him, you would also
||| find that he focuses exclusively on the single mind of
||| faith in the Lotus Sutra, the essential phrase and
||| essential practice and that HE is acting as Shakyamuni's
||| disciple, propagating the correct teaching for us in this
||| latter age.
|||
||| Speaking only for myself, I believe that generally
||| speaking, YES, the Gohonzon represents the supreme OBJECt
||| of worship, but SPECIFICALLY it is FAITH in
||| Myoho-renge-kyo, dedicating one's life with single minded
||| focus on the Lotus Sutra itself that is the practice for
||| attaining Buddhahood. --

If that were simply true, then the 20 years that Nichiren Daishonin spent after April 28, 1253, when he first chanted the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra, in seeking and trying to inscribe the Gohonzon, bestow it upon his followers and finally declaring it as the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" in this Gosho letter in 1273 ... these efforts of those years were superfluities, an unneeded expenditure of the time and effort of the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth in the mission of Kosen Rufu. That would make Nichiren Daishonin an extraordinary and unmatched wastrel of the precious resources and continuing efforts of Kosen Rufu. Can anyone believing this incredible lie actually consider themselves a follower of Nichiren Daishonin?

And finally this from the same follower of the errant 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu on ARBN:

||| Clearing out 3 Nichikan no-honzons in one very respectful
||| ceremony-- burning them as offerings to Devadatta... was an
||| experience as profoundly joyful as my first encounter with
||| daimoku in August 1988.
|||
||| Whatever Nichikan did-- he is no longer infecting my home
||| or polluting my faith--. RIP Nichikan!! (probably not)
|||
||| I enshrined a Nichiren Prayer Gohonzon--, again, a
||| profoundly joy filled experience!
|||
||| I don't think Chas or anyone can appreciate the difference
||| in authentic v. counterfeit Gohonzons unless you
||| experience it , up close and first hand--

From Immanuel Kant, "Critique of Practical Reason", Book 1, Chapter 1, paragraph 14:
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/5683/pg5683.txt

... Thus, practical laws refer to the will only, without
... considering what is attained by its causality, and we may
... disregard this latter (as belonging to the world of sense)
... in order to have them quite pure.

Emmanuel Kant wrote of the "Categorical Imperative" in his "Critique of Practical Reason" There are many practical outcomes of the Categorical Imperative (that treating a perfect Law as a utility is categorically unethical, etc.), but one is this:

Categorical: Ends do not justify means. Means and ends must be justified separately.

Let's imagine a scenario, where a person in a town had a perfect Gohonzon and practiced to it, and they were unavailable by any means.

Let's also assume that not having such a perfect Gohonzon denied persons of the experience of attaining perfect enlightenment in this life and there may be not another chance in kalpas of existence across countless lives to attain this perfect enlightenment (e.g. one-eyed turtle.)

1. Could a person consider the act of stealing that perfect Gohonzon and practicing to it, which might entail the violence and murder that is attendant upon burglary, to attain enlightenment of the Lotus Sutra, to the Mystic Law of cause and effect?

If ends justified means, they could steal or murder to obtain an authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon and get great benefits from it.

However, causality demands that ends do not justify means and YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GAIN BENEFIT FROM STEALING GOHONZON, WHICH IMPLIES THE RISK OF POTENTIALLY COMMITTING VIOLENCE AND MURDER.

2. Since theft of a perfect Gohonzon is not in any way a cause for enlightenment, and since slandering the Law is worse than the secular violations of the criminal code (theft, murder), then Nichiren Daishonin's admonition against receiving from or giving to the icchantika ... includes receiving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from a slandering priest of Nichiren Shu, founded by the 5 senior traitorous priests that turned Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism into Shinto worship of Shakyamuni as a Hindu god.

By their treason, the Nichiren Shu copies of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon are actually stolen, which included the slander of murdering of the Buddhas in the ten directions (many quotes by Nichiren Daishonin thus.)

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GAIN BENEFIT FROM RECEIVING STOLEN GOHONZON FROM A PRIEST DISTORTING NICHIREN DAISHONIN"S BUDDHISM AND STEALING HIS FOLLOWERS INTO A NEW SHINTO SECT OF WORSHIPING SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA AS A HINDU GOD.

3. Then receiving that Gohonzon 2nd hand or 3rd hand, or 500th hand from the internet is the very self-same slander of the Law, the intervening handoffs do not wash away the stain. NO MATTER HOW MANY HANDS THE STOLEN GOHONZON PASSES THROUGH, THE PROFOUND SLANDER OF THIEVING AND DISTORTING RETAINS THE SAME POTENCY.

-Chas.

[Noel]

"Let us talk about inkjet photo prints. Since they are considered as one of the best digital printers for all printing needs, chances are, you may want to have your business cards printed in one. And why not? With all the reviews these printers are getting, you want some piece of the action. Do digital prints fade?

It is difficult to give an accurate estimate for either of this types of prints. First, because manufacturers are constantly improving ink longevity. However, in the general sense, it can be said that the best pigment-based inks, used with their appropriate photo print papers, have a lifetime of more than 100 years before noticeable fading occurs."

http://laserpage.com/articles/printer_ink_fading.htm

[Noel]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 3:07:56 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:

Chas is still under Ikeda's spell in an org that is on the way out while he clings to his 5 world Gohonzon making out he has all the answers that only a fool would believe

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Chas is an example of what The Cult Soka Gakkai International produces as supposedly the only organization that is qualified to teach a Made Up 'Soka Religion' by stealing Nichiren's name and amassing Billions of Dollars in Property and various Rare Art Collections.

Stay far away from this White and Japanese controlled Corporation! Cult!

[Noel]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 6:27:00 PM UTC+10, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> Chas is an example of what The Cult Soka Gakkai International produces as supposedly the only organization that is qualified to teach a Made Up 'Soka Religion' by stealing Nichiren's name and amassing Billions of Dollars in Property and various Rare Art Collections.
>
> Stay far away from this White and Japanese controlled Corporation! Cult!

Yeah true Ikeda used Nichiren Buddhism for his own ends: status,power, riches etc
Its no wonder why so many SGI members are suffering from this toxic relationship

[Chas.]

Why statues are not to be chanted to -

On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 6:08:49 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> Since SGI is wrong about the identity and nature of the Eternal Buddha why would you believe it is correct about anything else?
>
> The entire thrust of the Rissho Ankoku Ron is that the Treasure of the Buddha is Shakyamuni and the Treasure of the Law is Myoho renge kyo (Lotus Sutra).
>

Make a quote, please.

Taking just the first few horrible translations of the Gosho that you quote to "prove" your fictitious points...

> Nichiren says in "Reply to Lady Nichinyo": "I for the first time reveal, as a banner of the spread of the Hokkekyo the Great Mandala which even Nagarjuna, Vasubandhu, and so on, and Tendai, Myoraku, and so on did not reveal. This is not at all something which I, Nichiren made myself. It is the Object of Worship which is from the print block of the Great Muni, the World Honored One within the Stupa of Taho and the Separate-Body Buddhas."
>
> Clearly, the Daishonin inscribed the Gohonzon as taught to him by the Great Muni.
>

Your text is a profound forgery and utter uglification of the true text of the Gosho, written to Nichinyo.

From "The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon", WND I, pp. 831-832:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/101#para-1

. How wondrous it is that, around two hundred years and more
. into the Latter Day of the Law, I was the first to reveal
. as the banner of propagation of the Lotus Sutra this great
. mandala that even those such as Nāgārjuna and Vasubandhu,
. T’ien-t’ai and Miao-lo were unable to express. This mandala
. is in no way my invention. It is the object of devotion
. that depicts Shakyamuni Buddha, the World-Honored One,
. seated in the treasure tower of Many Treasures Buddha, and
. the Buddhas who were Shakyamuni’s emanations as perfectly
. as a print matches its woodblock. Thus the five characters
. of the Lotus Sutra’s title are suspended in the center,
. while the four heavenly kings are seated at the four
. corners of the treasure tower. Shakyamuni, Many Treasures,
. and the four leaders of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth are
. side by side at the top. Seated below them are the
. bodhisattvas, including Universal Worthy and Manjushrī, and
. the voice-hearers, including Shāriputra and Maudgalyāyana.
. [Beside them are] the gods of the sun and moon, the devil
. king of the sixth heaven, the dragon king, and an asura. In
. addition, the wisdom kings Immovable and Craving-Filled
. take up their stations to the south and north. The evil and
. treacherous Devadatta and the ignorant dragon king’s
. daughter form a group. Not only the Mother of Demon
. Children and the ten demon daughters, who are evil demons
. that sap the lives of people throughout the major world
. system, but also the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva
. Hachiman, and the seven reigns of the heavenly gods and
. five reigns of the earthly gods, who are the guardian
. deities of Japan—all the various great and small gods, that
. is, the main gods, are ranged in rows. How then could the
. remaining subordinate gods be left out? The “Treasure
. Tower” chapter states, “[Shakyamuni Buddha used his
. transcendental powers to] lift all the members of the great
. assembly up into the air.”
.
. Without exception, all these Buddhas, bodhisattvas, great
. sages, and, in general, all the various beings of the two
. worlds and the eight groups who appear in the
. “Introduction” chapter of the Lotus Sutra dwell in this
. Gohonzon. Illuminated by the light of the five characters
. of the Mystic Law, they display the dignified attributes
. that they inherently possess. This is the object of devotion.
.
. This is what is meant when the sutra says “the true aspect
. of all phenomena.” Miao-lo stated: “The true aspect
. invariably manifests in all phenomena, and all phenomena
. invariably manifest in the ten factors. The ten factors
. invariably manifest in the Ten Worlds, and the Ten Worlds
. invariably manifest in life and its environment.” It is
. also stated that the profound principle of the true aspect
. is the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. The Great
. Teacher Dengyō said, “A single moment of life comprising
. the three thousand realms is itself the Buddha of limitless
. joy; this Buddha has forsaken august appearances.”
. Therefore, this Gohonzon shall be called the great mandala
. never before known; it did not appear until more than 2,220
. years after the Buddha’s passing.

Your priests have corrupted this beautiful description and will suffer the ages in Avichi hel for it, and now you, too, for climbing on the bandwagon with them. They wanted to worship Shakyamuni as a god, because they think so little of themselves. They wanted to worship stupas, like the Hinayana believers of the Pali canon. This was the original error that led to statue worship, abandoning the teachings and taking up with images of men as your object of worship.

> "Thus it was revealed that Shakyamuni had long been the Buddha since the eternal past, and it became clear that various Buddhas in other worlds were all manifestations of Shakyamuni Buddha..[ ] now, however, as Shakyamuni was proved to be the Eternal Buddha, those Buddhas in the Flower Garland Sutra, or Buddhas in the Hodo, Hannya, or Great Sun Buddha sutras all became subordinates of Shakyamuni Buddha." (Kaimoku Sho, p. 174, translated by Kyotsu Hori, 1987)
>
> Same quote in the MW's:
>
> "When Shakyamuni Buddha revealed that he had gained enlightenment in the far distant past and had since then been constantly in the world, it became apparent that all the other Buddhas were emanations of Shakyamuni....but now it became apparent that Vairocana Buddha of the Kegon Sutra and various Buddhas of the Hodo, Hannya and Dainichi sutras are in fact all followers of Shakyamuni Buddha." (MW V.2, p.149)
>

Here is the actual quote from "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 256:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-187

. When Shakyamuni Buddha revealed that he had gained
. enlightenment in the far distant past, it became apparent
. that all the other Buddhas were emanations of Shakyamuni.
. When the Buddha preached the earlier sutras and the first
. half, or theoretical teaching, of the Lotus Sutra, the
. other Buddhas were pictured as standing on an equal footing
. with Shakyamuni, after completing their respective
. practices and disciplines. Therefore, the people who take
. one or another of these Buddhas as their object of devotion
. customarily look down on Shakyamuni Buddha. But now it
. becomes apparent that Vairochana Buddha, who is described
. in the Flower Garland Sutra as being seated on a lotus
. pedestal, and the various Buddhas who appear in the sutras
. of the Correct and Equal and the Wisdom periods, such as
. the Mahāvairochana Sutra, are all in fact followers of
. Shakyamuni Buddha.

There is simply no end to the distortions you can vomit forth, perjured for you evil purpose: to support your Hindu/Shinto practice of worshiping Shakyamuni as a god, which he would himself decry. Shakyamuni was added to the Hindu pantheon of gods to the end of enfolding and crushing the life out of the corrupted practice of Buddhism after it had passed into the East.

Your Middle Day of the Law practice of worshiping statues is NOT for the era Nichiren Daishonin, it is the hollow and ghostly practice of the dead. The practice of the Latter Day of the Law is to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to the Gohonzon, not the image of any person, Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.

As I made clear earlier from this passage of the "Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13, which is preached during the first chapter of the Lotus Sutra and is concurrent with it and not previous to the Lotus Sutra, and which is in no way provisional or to be discarded in any way. In fact the Lotus Sutra and the Gosho reference the true aspect, and without this definition, THEY WOULD BE INCOMPLETE!

Here's the quote that destroys all your statue worshiping, I have highlighted the key phrase so that you cannot miss it (although I fear your mind cannot read it):

. “When bodhisattvas have in this manner observed the
. beginning and end of these four aspects and have understood
. them in their entirety, then they will clearly perceive
. that all phenomena, never abiding from one instant to
. the next, are constantly being born anew and passing into
. extinction, and then they will immediately perceive the
. true aspect of birth, abiding, change, and extinction.
.
. “Once they have gained this perception, then they must turn
. to the capacities, natures, and desires of living beings.
. Because such natures and desires are immeasurable in
. variety, the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable;
. and because the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable,
. its meanings are likewise immeasurable. THESE IMMEASURABLE
. MEANINGS ARE BORN FROM A SINGLE LAW, AND THIS LAW IS
. WITHOUT ASPECT. WHAT IS WITHOUT ASPECT IS DEVOID OF ASPECT
. AND DOES NOT TAKE ON ASPECT. NOT TAKING ON ASPECT, BEING
. WITHOUT ASPECT, IT IS CALLED THE TRUE ASPECT.
.
. “When bodhisattvas mahasattva rest and abide in this
. understanding of the true aspect of all phenomena, then the
. pity and compassion that they put forth will be based on
. clear understanding and not groundless, and they will be
. truly capable of rescuing living beings from the sufferings
. that they undergo. And once they have rescued them from
. suffering, they will preach the Law for them and enable
. living beings to enjoy ease and delight.

Santai or the Three Truths can only be found in the Lotus Sutra, this is one of the glories of the Lotus Sutra. "The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way." from the SGI Dictionary:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/T/183

The images of human beings are the images of their Temporary Existence alone, their impermanence.

I am impermanent and will vanish from the world, this is my destiny from birth: to be born is to die, that is the guarantee of the four sufferings. Birth, aging, sickness and death.

And yet, like an electron that has a particle and a wave function, I am also Non-Substantial and that was true before my birth, during my aging, sickness and after my death. In fact I am dying now, cells that were crucial to my function ar born and then die all the time. I am also like a wave.

In all those phases of my life I am in the Middle Way, the unification of the Three Truths.

Images of living beings are images of impermanence alone, and like "the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths," (from the definition of Santai) ... they do not possess the "true aspect."

The highest object of worship, the Gohonzon possesses the "true aspect" in the fact that it is an arrangement of characters and does not look like you or me or anyone you know. This is how it can reflect ALL THE LIVING BEINGS, not just here, but everywhere that life has or will develop in the ten directions and the three existences of past, present and future.

All living being possess the true aspect and they are all Buddhas, like the characters of an enormous version of the Lotus Sutra. However, not even the images of the Lord of Teachings, Shakyamuni or the Lord of Practice, Nichiren Daishonin reflect anything other than impermanence.

Only the Gohonzon reflects the true aspect. It is the highest object of worship and all others are pitiful in their aspect, by comparison: why would anyone chant the daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to any other object of worship?

How dishonorable!

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Safe to say you cannot obtain the translation and cannot admit that your lack of capacity and resourcefulness means you have no way of knowing what was actually written by the predecessor of your " faith".

Does your attempt to diminish me increase your capacity ?

Nothing personal here , you can either perform requisite tasks to determine the true teachings or not.

~Katie

[Chas.]

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 5:21:58 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> The most perverse sect at the time of Nichiren was Tendai [Mikkyo] which mixed Lotus Sutra Buddhism and Shingon. Today, we have a similar problem but NST and SGI ...

[snip]

You are projecting. It is you and your Shinto-ized version of Hinduistic statue-worshiping distortion of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism that is clearly a corruption. Nichiren Daishonin declared the Gohonzon as the supreme object of worship throughout Jambudvipa, not your pictures and statues. They do not possess the true aspect.

From "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 383-385:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-3

... NO ONE BUT NICHIREN has ever revealed teachings like these.
... Though T’ien-t’ai, Miao-lo, and Dengyō knew about them in
... their hearts, they never put them into words. They went
... about their lives keeping this knowledge to themselves. And
... there was good reason for this. The Buddha had not
... entrusted them with the task, the time had not yet come,
... and they had not been the Buddha’s disciples from the
... distant past. Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices,
... and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth cannot only appear during the
... first five hundred years of the Latter Day of the Law and
... spread the five characters of Myoho-renge-kyo, the essence
... of all phenomena, BUT ALSO GIVE CONCRETE FORM TO THE
... CEREMONY OF THE TWO BUDDHAS SEATED SIDE BY SIDE IN THE
... TREASURE TOWER. The reason is that what they are to spread
... and give concrete form to is none other than the teaching
... of the actual three thousand realms in a single moment of
... life in the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching.
...

1. "No one but Nichiren" has revealed these teachings, not even Shakyamuni, Lord of Teachings, who is negatively included with all others in the phrase "no one".

It was no one else's mission, but Nichiren Daishonin to reveal the highest truth hidden at the heart of the Lotus Sutra. Nichiren Daishonin explains this in various other places as due to the time, however, it is also due to who Nichiren Daishonin is.

Nichiren Daishonin is the man for that moment, who turns that wheel that makes the new era of the Latter Day of the Law or Mappo, by revealing the truth that no one else can reveal.

This is the man Iain calls a "latter commentator", and who I call Daishonin or True Buddha. Nichiren Daishonin is the revealer, not the commentator, oddly, that role is left to Shakyamuni who predicted Nichiren Daishonin's revelation of the heart of the Lotus Sutra: the heart of the highest teaching.

The heart of the highest teaching that he reveals is not indicated directly in any quote in the Lotus Sutra, such that you can actually logically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what Nichiren Daishonin reveals is the truth.

The truth of the Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, as in all far lesser religious truths, is not logically deduced or induced, but is based on faith alone: however, in both the Western and Eastern worlds, Reason includes both Logic AND Faith.

Hence, faith-based logic is reasonable, unless you are without faith, then that logic is not reasonable and makes no sense whatsoever.

Faith in this case implies practice, you have to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to come to believe in it and experience the result to gain faith.

2. However, before you can have faith in the power of the daimoku, you had to have faith in Nichiren Daishonin, who reveals that highest truth, you would have to have faith in the mentor, that he is revealing to you, the disciple, the absolute truth and nothing else. Otherwise, your practice of the Lotus Sutra would be Tendai, and simple recitation of its chapters to your statues.

Not having faith in Nichiren Daishonin, since you had never heard of him, you had to have faith in the mentor that introduced you, or taught you to chant, or led the first district meeting you went to, or ... whoever the bodhisattva was: that person had faith in the daimoku, the Gohonzon and hence, that Nichiren Daishonin was in fact, completely right! The disciple first receives faith in the veracity of Nichiren Daishonin (or an echo of it) from their mentor.

3. "Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices, and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among the Bodhisattvas of the Earth ..." "... also give concrete form to the ceremony of the two Buddhas seated side by side in the treasure tower." That concrete form is the Gohonzon, the highest object of worship.

Shakyamuni not only cannot reveal the highest teaching ... also, he cannot enscribe the Gohonzon.

Why? Because it is not his mission given by the eternal Buddha. That was given to the very first of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, Nichiren Daishonin, as the embodiment of Superior Practices, or Jogyo.

This means you either trust what Nichiren Daishonin says and choose the Gohonzon as your highest object of worship to chant the daimoku to, or distrust Nichiren Daishonin and chant the daimoku to your statues. You will however, have to choose which path to take, with hell to pay upon your mistaken choice.

... THEREFORE, THE TWO BUDDHAS, SHAKYAMUNI AND MANY TREASURES,
... ARE BUDDHAS WHO ARE FUNCTIONS [OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO]. IT IS
... MYOHO-RENGE-KYO THAT IS THE TRUE BUDDHA. This is what is
... described in the sutra as “the Thus Come One’s secret and
... his transcendental powers.” THE “THUS COME ONE’S SECRET”
... REFERS TO THE ENTITY OF THE BUDDHA’S THREE BODIES, AND IT
... REFERS TO THE TRUE BUDDHA. “His transcendental powers”
... refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers
... to provisional Buddhas. A COMMON MORTAL IS AN ENTITY OF THE
... THREE BODIES, AND A TRUE BUDDHA. A Buddha is a function of
... the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case,
... though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the
... three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the
... sake of all of us living beings, that is not so. ON THE
... CONTRARY, IT IS COMMON MORTALS WHO ENDOW HIM WITH THE THREE
... VIRTUES.
...

4. "Therefore, the two Buddhas, Shakyamuni and Many Treasures, are Buddhas who are functions [of Myoho-renge-kyo]. It is Myoho-renge-kyo that is the true Buddha."

Shakyamuni (and Taho) are functions of the eternal Buddha, Myoho-Renge-Kyo, which we invoke in the daimoku.

Is that crystal clear? If you chant the daimoku, you have to have faith that Nichiren Daishonin is correct, otherwise Myoho-Renge-Kyo would not be the eternal Buddha: and if you accept that, then Shakyamuni would not be a function of Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

You cannot have it both ways, you must give up the supremacy of Shakyamuni and stop chanting to images of him, since you cannot chant the highest teaching hidden in the Lotus Sutra that was revealed by Nichiren Daishonin unless you agree with him on this completely central point. Stop chanting to functions, and chant to the Gohonzon.

5. These three phrases (a through c, below) refer to the common mortal, or true Buddha, which Nichiren Daishonin is, and also you and I as well as every common mortal. Common mortals in the Mappo era, after Nichiren Daishonin revealed the truth, are also Bodhisattvas of the Earth, according to Josei Toda.

Here's the proof of Nichiren Daishonin's point.

a. '“Thus Come One’s secret” refers to the entity of the Buddha’s three bodies, and it refers to the true Buddha.'

b. "A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha."


c. "On the contrary, it is common mortals who endow him [Shakyamuni] with the three virtues."

6. These two phrases (d and e) refer to provisional Buddhas like Shakyamuni, who are functions of the three bodies of the true Buddha.

d. '“His transcendental powers” refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers to provisional Buddhas.'

e. 'A Buddha is a function of the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case, though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the sake of all of us living beings, that is not so.'

... The “Thus Come One” is explained clearly in T’ien-t’ai’s
... commentary as follows: “The Thus Come One is a general
... designation for the Buddhas of the ten directions and the
... three existences, for the two Buddhas, the three Buddhas,
... the true Buddha, and provisional Buddhas.” THE “TRUE
... BUDDHA” HERE MEANS COMMON MORTALS, WHEREAS “PROVISIONAL
... BUDDHAS” MEANS BUDDHAS. However, because of the difference
... between ordinary people and Buddhas that stems from the
... disparity between delusion and enlightenment, ordinary
... people are unaware that they are endowed with both the
... entity and the functions of the three bodies.
...

'The “true Buddha” here means common mortals, whereas “provisional Buddhas” means Buddhas.'

That is another direct quote making this very point again. Clear and straightforward and unmistakable.

The common mortal is the true Buddha, whereas Shakyamuni and Many Treasures in all their eternal glory as inscribed on the Gohonzon, are functions of the entity that is any common mortal enveloped in his or her delusion.

That means that if a statue worshiper really wanted to enshrine a more proper image to chant to, it would be the picture of a drunk or a hooker on the street: better that, than just a FUNCTION of that true Buddha, that very human being.

This is why we don't chant to images, since images cannot have the true aspect, only the Gohonzon has the true aspect, which means without having aspect (from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, without which the Lotus Sutra would lack the clear understanding of true aspect, and would therefore be less complete.)

... “All phenomena” in the sutra refers to the Ten Worlds, and
... the “true aspect,” to what they actually are. THE “TRUE
... ASPECT” IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MYOHO-RENGE-KYO; hence all
... phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo. Hell’s displaying the form
... of hell is its true aspect. When hell changes into the
... realm of hungry spirits, that is no longer the true form of
... hell. A Buddha displays the form of a Buddha, and a common
... mortal, that of a common mortal. The entities of all
... phenomena are entities of Myoho-renge-kyo. That is the
... meaning of “the true aspect of all phenomena.” T’ien-t’ai
... states that the profound principle of the true aspect is
... the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. This
... interpretation identifies the phrase “true aspect” with the
... theoretical teaching and “the originally inherent
... Myoho-renge-kyo” with the essential teaching. You should
... ponder this interpretation deep in your heart.
...

'The “true aspect” is another name for Myoho-renge-kyo; hence all phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo.'

This is the fruit of the clear understanding of that description of true aspect.

If the true aspect was an image of Shakyamuni, then it could not be Myoho-Renge-Kyo, because Myoho-Renge-Kyo is without aspect, you cannot view it from any point and see an aspect.

Also, then all entities and phenomena could not be the true entity of Myoho-Renge-Kyo, without having the aspect of Shakyamuni, were Shakyamuni's image the true aspect.

All phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity.

This also, BTW explains that passage with all of the negations from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/1#para-23

'his body neither existing nor not existing,
neither caused nor conditioned, neither self nor other,
neither square nor round, neither short nor long,
neither appearing nor disappearing, neither born nor extinguished,
neither created nor arising, neither acted nor made,
neither sitting nor lying down, neither walking nor standing,
neither moving nor turning, neither idle nor still,
neither advancing nor retreating, neither in safety nor danger,
neither right nor wrong, neither gaining nor losing,
neither that nor this, neither departing nor coming,
neither blue nor yellow, neither red nor white,
neither crimson nor purple nor any other sort of color'

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

... Although not worthy of the honor, I, Nichiren, was
... nevertheless the first to spread the Mystic Law entrusted
... to Bodhisattva Superior Practices for propagation in the
... Latter Day of the Law. I was also the first, though only
... Bodhisattva Superior Practices is so empowered, to inscribe
... [the object of devotion as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni

... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the “Treasure Tower” chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the “Emerging from the Earth”
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.

...

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. Not onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote

... island is, I believe, an offense that can never be
... expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas. A
... passage from the “Simile and Parable” chapter reads, “If I
... were to describe the punishments [that fall on persons who
... slander this sutra], I could exhaust a kalpa and never come
... to the end.” On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the

... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and

... lay supporter. The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains
... thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could
... never finish calculating their extent.”
...

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit"

"an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope even for them, because:

'The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent.”'

... Nichiren alone took the lead in carrying out the task of
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. He may even be one of them.
... If Nichiren is to be counted among the Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth, then so must his disciples and lay supporters. The

... sutra states: “If one [of these good men or good women in

... the time after I have passed into extinction] is able to
... secretly expound the Lotus Sutra to one person, even one
... phrase of it, then you should know that he or she is the
... envoy of the Thus Come One. He has been dispatched by the
... Thus Come One and carries out the Thus Come One’s work.”

... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

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On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 9:47:28 AM UTC-7, ilovedr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Chas, you forgot to take note:
>
> Let's look into "The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon", and see what Nichiren teaches us.
>
> "This mandala is in no way my invention. It is the object of devotion that depicts Shakyamuni Buddha, the World Honored One, seated in the treasure tower of Many treasures Buddha, and the Buddhas who were Shakyamuni's emanations as perfectly as a print matches its print block."
>

Your argument is a non sequitor and is sign of your fallacious reasoning and mental corruption. I never claimed that Nichiren Daishonin invented the Gohonzon, which is a depiction of the ceremony in the air at the moment that the Law is passed from the mentor (Shakyamuni) to the disciples (Bodhisattvas of the Earth, chiefly Jogyo Superior Practices, who is Nichiren Daishonin).

Nichiren Daishonin is the common mortal, who is the true Buddha, as are you and myself. Shakyamuni is a function of our true Buddhahood, this is what Nichiren Daishonin says. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, you cannot believe in the daimoku, which Nichiren Daishonin revealed and that you have to take on faith. He sadi it, I didn't, why do you want to thwart what he says so clearly with all this flak? Just accept it.

According to the Ongi Kuden and thus Nichiren Daishonin, the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: In
... this passage we learn about the Buddha of the original
... state [that is, the Buddha of limitless joy]. “Grandfather”
... is another name for the Dharma-realm. The first three of
... the ten factors listed in the “Expedient Means” chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as “grandfather.” Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word “wheel-turning” refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words “sage king”
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

That passage refers to this one, the one and only reference to "the grandfather", where the son and father of Shakyamuni, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, attains enlightenment when "the Law of the buddhas finally appeared before him" :

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... “Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme perfect
... p.157enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder’s life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... “Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a hundred,
... thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects, all
... together surrounded the sons and followed them to the place
... of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the thus
... come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer alms,
... pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they arrived,
... they bowed before his feet, touching their heads to the
... ground.

Aside from that, who knows, I don't. As far as I can tell, the eternal Buddha has no person otherwise identified in the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni attained enlightenment after his father.

At any rate, who was first hardly matters, unless you want to worship a statue of the first enlightened one.

I am satisfied that the Buddha leading our regiment of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth is Nichiren Daishonin, AKA Jogyo Superior Practices. He is the mentor whose Gosho I have made my mentor. I practice as he says and only that way. I worship no person and images of no person.

I worship the Gohonzon of the True Aspect of all Phenomena, which, BTW is a topic none of you have touched on, although I have elucidated it fully for your edification.

> "It is also stated that the profound principle of the true aspect is the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo.[Lotus sutra Chap.2] The Great Teacher Dengyo said, "A single moment of life comprising the three thousand realms is itself the Buddha of limitless joy. this Buddha has forsaken august appearances." [The Treatise on the Secret and Sacred Teachings]
>
>

Are you listening to yourself? The Buddha of Limitless Joy is without aspect, just as I quoted.

Not a statue of Shakyamuni. Get it?

> Do you need page#'s-- not sure which text you have.
>
> IF Nichiren were the Original Buddha, teacher of Shakyamuni, WHY wouldn't he claim credit for the SOURCE of the Gohonzon as "his own invention"?
>
> OR REVEAL the identity you claim is is TRUE identity?
>

Didn't claim that. Putting words in my mouth is lying. Don't do that.

All common mortals are the true Buddha, led by Nichiren Daishonin. Nichiren Daishonin is the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, AKA Jogyo.

> With your own presumptions,You, Chas are identifying Nichiren as a cunning, duplicitous teacher-- when it is your Sensei who has earned that title a million times over!!
>

This is a pile of crap and wierd supposition, avoid it Katie.

> And that is the crux of the matter. You lost your true mind before you posted your first comment on this site---such is the fate of those who "follow evil teachers".
>
[snip the rest.]
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On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 8:56:22 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

> How fortunate that we can possess and chant to an *authentic* Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren's own hand...
>

These Gohonzon were received from the hands of an entire line of priests that betrayed Nichiren Daishonin and turned to Shinto-ized Hinduistic cult worship of images that Shakyamuni himself would have spurned, and ancient practices that were before Nichiren Daishonin turned the wheel to create the new era: of the Latter Day of the Law.

Receiving distortions of Nichiren's Buddhism and then Nichiren's stolen Gohonzon from evil priests worshiping in ancient and now-dead practices will incur instead a serious admonition from the Daishonin.

Cause and effect rules the world. You cannot steal Gohonzon and then expect benefit from distortions of the founder's practice.

-Chas.
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On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 12:09:25 AM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:22:09 AM UTC-4, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Here's a refresher for you, Chas-- Nichiren's description of the Eternal Buddha and his attitude towards him--
>
> The passages are from "The Opening Of The Eyes"-
>
> "But the Buddha, our great teacher, has advanced beyond even transmigration with change and advance, let alone transmigration with differences and limitations. He has wiped out even the very root of fundamental darkness, let lone the illusions of thought and desire that are as minor as branches and leaves."
>
> "The Buddha, from the time of his enlightenment at the age of thirty until his passing at the age of eighty, expounded his sacred teachings for a period of fifty years. Each word, each phrase he spoke is true, not a sentence, not a verse is false. The words of the sages and worthy preserved in the scriptures and teachings of Confucianism and Brahmanism, as we have noted, are free of error, and the words match the spirit in which they were spoken. But how much more true is this in the case of the Buddha, who had spoken not a false word for countless kalpasI In comparison to the non-Buddhist scriptures and teachings, the doctrines that he expounded in a period of fifty or so years represent the great vehicle, the true words of the great man, Everything that he preached, from the dawn of his enlightenment until the evening that he entered into nirvana , is none other than the truth."
>

Interesting that you missed the next paragraphs and the meaning of this passage, which applies directly to you all.

It has to do with how the supreme teachings are attacked by “appropriating Buddhism” or “plagiarizing Buddhism”, by efforts to "twist what is lofty and force it into a mean context; they destroy what is exalted and drag it down among the base, striving to put the two on an equal level."

Here is the passage that describes what you and your traitorous priests do, by merging Hinduism and Shinto statue worshiping with Nichiren's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra ("The Opening of the Eyes (I)", WND I, pp. 223-225)
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-13

... However, when we examine the eighty thousand teachings of
... Buddhism expounded during a period of fifty or so years and
... recorded in scriptures, we find that they fall into various
... categories such as HINAYANA AND MAHAYANA, PROVISIONAL AND
... TRUE SUTRAS, EXOTERIC AND ESOTERIC TEACHINGS, DETAILED AND
... ROUGH DISCOURSES, TRUE WORDS AND FALSE WORDS, CORRECT AND
... INCORRECT VIEWS. BUT AMONG THESE, THE LOTUS SUTRA ALONE
... REPRESENTS THE CORRECT TEACHINGS OF SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, THE
... LORD OF TEACHINGS, THE TRUTHFUL WORDS OF THE BUDDHAS OF THE
... THREE EXISTENCES AND THE TEN DIRECTIONS. The World-Honored
... One of Great Enlightenment designated a specific period of
... the preceding forty years and more, and defined the various
... sutras preached during that period, numerous as the sands
... of the Ganges, as the sutras in which he had “not yet
... revealed the truth.” He designated the Lotus Sutra preached
... during the eight years as the sutra in which he “now must
... reveal the truth.” Thus Many Treasures Buddha came forth
... from beneath the earth to testify that “all that you have
... expounded [in the Lotus Sutra] is the truth,” and the
... Buddhas who are emanations of Shakyamuni gathered together
... and extended their long tongues up to the Brahmā heaven in
... testimony. These words are perfectly clear, perfectly
... understandable, brighter than the sun on a clear day, or
... like the full moon at midnight. Look up to them and believe
... them, and when you turn away, cherish them in your heart!
...
... The Lotus Sutra contains two important teachings. The
... Dharma Analysis Treasury, Establishment of Truth, Precepts,
... Dharma Characteristics, and Three Treatises schools have
... never heard even so much as the name of these teachings.
... THE FLOWER GARLAND AND TRUE WORD SCHOOLS, ON THE OTHER
... HAND, HAVE SURREPTITIOUSLY STOLEN THESE DOCTRINES AND MADE
... THEM THE HEART OF THEIR OWN TEACHINGS. The doctrine of
... three thousand realms in a single moment of life is found
... in only one place, hidden in the depths of the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra.
... Nāgārjuna and Vasubandhu were aware of it but did not bring
... it forth into the light. T’ien-t’ai Chih-che alone embraced
... it and kept it ever in mind.
...
... The doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of
... life begins with the concept of the mutual possession of
... the Ten Worlds. But the Dharma Characteristics and Three
... Treatises schools speak only of eight worlds and know
... nothing of the entirety of the Ten Worlds, much less of the
... concept of their mutual possession. The Dharma Analysis
... Treasury, Establishment of Truth, and Precepts schools
... derive their teachings from the Āgama sutras. They are
... aware only of the six worlds and know nothing of the other
... four worlds. They declare that in all the ten directions
... there is only one Buddha, and do not even preach that there
... is any other Buddha in any of the ten directions. OF THE
... PRINCIPLE THAT “ALL SENTIENT BEINGS ALIKE POSSESS THE
... BUDDHA NATURE,” THEY OF COURSE SAY NOTHING AT ALL. They
... refuse to acknowledge that even a single person possesses
... the Buddha nature. IN SPITE OF THIS, ONE WILL SOMETIMES
... HEAR MEMBERS OF THE PRECEPTS AND ESTABLISHMENT OF TRUTH
... SCHOOLS DECLARING THAT THERE ARE BUDDHAS IN THE TEN
... DIRECTIONS, OR THAT ALL LIVING BEINGS POSSESS THE BUDDHA
... NATURE. This is because the teachers of these schools who
... appeared after the passing away of the Buddha had stolen
... these Mahayana doctrines and incorporated them into the
... teachings of their own schools.
...

Buddhas in the ten directions. Do you know who they are? The world of living beings.

THEY ARE COMMON MORTALS, WHO ARE NONE OTHER THAN THE TRUE BUDDHA.

How could you possibly miss this point?

... To illustrate, in the period before the appearance of
... Buddhism, the proponents of the non-Buddhist teachings in
... India were not so bound up in their own views. But after
... the appearance of the Buddha, when they had listened to and
... observed the Buddhist teachings, they became aware of the
... shortcomings of their own doctrines. THEY THEN CONCEIVED
... THE CLEVER IDEA OF APPROPRIATING BUDDHIST TEACHINGS AND
... INCORPORATING THEM INTO THEIR OWN DOCTRINES, AND AS A
... RESULT THEY FELL INTO EVEN DEEPER ERROR THAN BEFORE. THESE
... ARE EXAMPLES OF THE ERRORS KNOWN AS “APPROPRIATING
... BUDDHISM” OR “PLAGIARIZING BUDDHISM.”
...

And this appropriation into Hinduism (the non-Buddhist schools of India), continues with the statue worshipers of Nichiren Shu, and now Nichiren Shoshu, since Alex is an active part of your Sangha.

... The same thing occurred in the case of non-Buddhist
... scriptures in China. Before Buddhism was brought to China,
... Confucianism and Taoism were rather naive and childish
... affairs. But in the Later Han, Buddhism was introduced to
... China and challenged the native doctrines. In time, as
... Buddhism became more popular, THERE WERE CERTAIN BUDDHIST
... PRIESTS WHO, BECAUSE THEY HAD BROKEN THE PRECEPTS, WERE
... FORCED TO RETURN TO SECULAR LIFE, OR WHO ELECTED TO JOIN
... FORCES WITH THE NATIVE CREEDS. THROUGH SUCH MEN, BUDDHIST
... DOCTRINES WERE STOLEN AND INCORPORATED INTO THE CONFUCIAN
... AND TAOIST TEACHINGS.
...

This is much like the Nichiren Shu and now, Nichiren Shoshu and Iain's Sangha.

... In volume five of Great Concentration and Insight we read:
... “These days there are many devilish monks who break the
... precepts and return to lay life. Fearing that they will be
... punished for their action, they then go over to the side of
... the Taoists. Hoping to gain fame and profit, they speak
... extravagantly of the merits of Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu,
... usurping Buddhist concepts and reading them into their
... erroneous scriptures. THEY TWIST WHAT IS LOFTY AND FORCE IT
... INTO A MEAN CONTEXT; THEY DESTROY WHAT IS EXALTED AND DRAG
... IT DOWN AMONG THE BASE, STRIVING TO PUT THE TWO ON AN EQUAL
... LEVEL.”

"They twist what is lofty and force it into a mean context; they destroy what is exalted and drag it down among the base, striving to put the two on an equal level."

That's what you guys are all about.

>
> Do you notice, Chas--- how Nichiren upheld the Lotus Sutra? Do you notice that he doesn't call himself, "Buddha"?
>

Absolutely Nichiren Daishonin does, over and over.

He refers to himself as a "common mortal".

The term "Daishonin" or "true Buddha" means "common mortal." Shakyamuni is a provisional Buddha, or a function of the true Buddha, which is a common mortal.

That's why the Gohonzon works so perfectly for everyone. It raises the enlightened aspect of not only the provisional Buddha function of Shakyamuni, but all the other provisional Buddhas and other functions in your life, when you add the "pure and far-reaching voice" invoking the daimoku of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

Do I need to include those passages again? I will until you can grasp their truth, which you repeatedly are missing.

[snip the rest.]

-Chas.
_________________________________________________________

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 10:41:22 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

Yo! Chas - maybe the reason Nichiren does not refer to himself or his staunch followers as "Buddha" is because they are not " Buddha"-

Maybe you have noticed that only in the disputed Gosho, "The True Aspect of All Phrnomena" and the proven forgery , the Ogni Kuden , will you find such nonsensical references re: common mortals are Budfhas -- yaddy yaddy ---

[snip]
_________________________________________________________

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 12:50:26 AM UTC-7, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:

But Chas, this is exactly your behaviour which can be clearly seen by reveiwing your postings. The evidence for such is actual in relation to you (readers can chevk this for themselves by using the forum index):

"THEY TWIST WHAT IS LOFTY AND FORCE IT
... INTO A MEAN CONTEXT; THEY DESTROY WHAT IS EXALTED AND DRAG
... IT DOWN AMONG THE BASE, STRIVING TO PUT THE TWO ON AN EQUAL
... LEVEL.”

[snip]
_________________________________________________________

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

iainx, I think you are pointing out a very fundamental aspect of the attitudes and beliefs that Chas exemplifies here; the same *ends* justifies the *means* attitude that produced forgeries, fake doctrines -- in the name of *widespread propagation*.

What is Chas actually propagating? if not; Make it easy, make it about materialism, make it into a *business* --- He has no more qualm about lying and manipulation than the originators of the transfer documents, the ogni kudon , the dai-no-honzon!! They all believed the *ends* justified the *means*--

[snip]
_________________________________________________________

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:59:38 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:

How you congratulate and reinforce each other's different delusions! What a deadly embrace.

Katie (and Mark Rogow) discard the parts of Nichiren Daishonin's life work that they disagree with: those parts that point to the erroneous nature of their practice of worshiping Shakyamuni as a GOD.

Bowing down to images of another human being, they are like impoverished and starving children looking through the window outside of the supermarket, who will never get to eat the nutritious food inside, but will perpetually place all their devotion and desire on that food.

Little do they know there is food in their pockets already: as common mortals they have always been and will always be true Buddhas possessing the three bodies of the Buddha received from their parents, and entities of the Mystic Law, the Buddha of limitless joy.

Iain is worshiping the Law itself and has divorced that Law from the true Buddha, who is a common mortal. He is like a man in prison on a hunger strike, who has the keys to his cell in his pocket: as a common mortal he has always been and will always be the true Buddha of Beginningless Time and the Buddha of Absolute Freedom.

Although they appear to believe differently: Katie and Mark thinking the eternal Buddha is someone other than themselves who they must worship, and Iain thinking that the Buddha is the Law and no one he would follow in particular, they actually agree. They all think the Buddha is outside.

How tragic and pitiful.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Or you can continue to post irrelevant bunk - which appears to be the "core " of your contributions--

[Chas.]

Iain and Katie make a new buddhism, starting by attacking and replacing the SGI and President Ikeda +

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-8, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
||| Does the emphasis modern SGI teaching places on the
||| mentor-disciple relationship help or hinder practice
||| of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren's Buddhism?
|||
||| To address this question it is first necessary to define
||| what the SGI means by 'mentor'. The term is used in
||| 6 main ways by SGI:
|||
||| 1) The Law as mentor
||| 2) The Buddha as mentor
||| 3) One or other of the "3 Presidents"
||| 4) Mr Ikeda as mentor
||| 5) A generalised umbrella term that is used to refer to
||| any of 1-5 without being specific 6) A general concept that
||| wraps 1-5 into a 'oneness'
|||

You forgot countless. President Ikeda once called the Gohonzon the true mentor, he has mentioned being mentored by children he talks to, and by Zhou Enlai of China (and many others), and has said the SGI is filled with great mentors and that they should mentor each other.

||| Using this term in so many different senses invites
||| confusion.
|||

The true state of affairs in life is as confusing as hell. So, what?

Mentoring and being mentored in Nichiren Buddhism is good. If I shakubuku someone and they decide to come to a meeting, even if they don't decide to take up the practice and receive the Gohonzon right away, this is still an absolute good. They will without doubt attain enlightenment sooner than they would if they only heard me say Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo when I first invited them (I never, ever, forget to say Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.)

In all three cases the result is guaranteed, so why do I bother trying to get people to come to meetings (acting as their parent and mentor)? The answer is that there is an untold amount of human misery that can happen along the path towards enlightenment and I am a determined enemy of human misery: to diminish and end it, forthwith.

When I was yet unborn but residing in my mother's womb after September 1950, the martyred Tsunesaburo Makiguchi was still the President of the Soka Gakkai. Before my birth in June 1951, Josei Toda became the President of the Soka Gakkai. When I was nine, Daisaku Ikeda became the President of the Soka Gakkai. I claim all three as mentors.

Mr. Toda said, "Abolish human misery," and I have vowed to do so.

||| In terms of the Law and the Buddha, it is unnecessary,
||| since the acts of teaching, learning, embracing and
||| following are already implicit and explicit. In terms of
||| Nichiren's teaching 'Namu' underscores those actions.
|||
||| It can be helpful to describe the relationship between
||| human mentors and their disciples and a shared mission to
||| accomplish something. The question is should this linear
||| and usually personal relationship be conflated with faith
||| and practice of the Law or relationship with the Buddha?
|||
||| What happens, for instance, if the 'mentor' in the sense
||| of the 3 presidents or Mr Ikeda are at variance with the
||| Law or the Buddha? And if one has conflated them, will one
||| be able to spot if there is a variance?
|||
||| Associating these different usages things together, as is
||| done in 5) and 6), makes it hard to think about them
||| separately.
|||
||| Specifically, if one has got used to thinking about 1-5
||| as a 'oneness', if there is variance, then cognitive
||| dissonance with result. If one has accepted the proposition
||| that it is RIGHT to think of these things as a 'oneness'
||| then the likely response to any dissonance, will be to
||| excuse, overlook or dismiss the incongruity. And that's a
||| problem when it comes to practicing the Law.
|||

So picky. The principle mentor and disciple is about practicing the Lotus Sutra, not theorizing about it. In the Ceremony in the Air, the Buddha preaches the Law and the Bodhisattvas of the Earth arise and vow to receive the Law, protect it and spread it widely. This is an organized action and they had a leader name Jogyo, Superior Practices. They were not theorizing, like Shakyamuni's followers who were monks (and yourself), they were taking action (like President Ikeda and the SGI.)

||| Nichiren's stance is clear, he resisted bringing the Law,
||| The Buddha, The Sutra and spiritual teachers together in
||| this way and in the following passage we can see why.
|||

Baloney, not clear at all. You are simply avoiding doing the hard work of Kosen Rufu, by sitting and meditating about theory and chanting to pagodas.

||| "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain
||| Buddhahood Through The Lotus Sutra"
|||
|||
||| WND Volume 1 page 872-873
|||
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-4
|||
||| "A sutra says: 'Rely on the Law and not upon persons.
||| Rely on the meaning of the teaching and not on the words.
||| Rely on wisdom and not on discriminative thinking. Rely on
||| sutras that are complete and final and not on those that
||| are not complete and final.'
|||
||| The meaning of this passage is that one should not rely
||| upon the words of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but should
||| heed what was established by the Buddha. It further means
||| that one should not rely upon the teachings of the True
||| Word, Zen, and Nembutsu schools, which are based upon the
||| sutras of the Flower Garland, Āgama, Correct and Equal, and
||| Wisdom periods, but should uphold the sutras that are
||| complete and final. And by relying upon 'sutras that are
||| complete and final,' it means upholding the Lotus Sutra."
|||
||| By keeping teachers (or mentors) and bodhisattvas
||| separate, he maintains the supremacy of the Law and The
||| Buddha as the spiritual authority. And by making
||| distinctions between the Sutras, he does the same.
|||

You are conflating "True Word, Zen, and Nembutsu schools" with the SGI and upholding the Lotus Sutra with yourself? You are clearly creating a new Sangha of Iain Buddhism now, by replacing the SGI and President Ikeda with yourself.

Also, the "A sutra" quoted by Nichiren Daishonin is the Nirvana Sutra, which we all know is final, but incomplete, although it is the Buddha's last word and testament. Literalists like yourself would note the inconsistency. Disciples who follow their mentors, like myself, will try to understand and follow the Buddha's last will and testament. That is mentor and disciple, too.

||| Clearly, it was important to him to ensure that his
||| followers understood this but why?
|||
||| Nichiren's writings are full of instances where he argues
||| that 'teachers' can and do lead their disciples astray,
||| specifically away from a correct faith in the Lotus Sutra.
||| He was also went to great lengths to avoid doing that
||| himself, which is why some people refer to Nichiren as a
||| 'scriptural' Buddhist.
|||
||| We can see this approach in the two translations of the
||| following passage:
|||
||| Writings of Nichiren Daishonin Vol , Page 543.
|||
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/66
|||
||| "Your process of questioning is backwards. If I had cited
||| passages from the commentaries of men such as T’ien-t’ai
||| and the others and you had then asked whether there were
||| passages from the sutras and treatises to support them,
||| that I could understand. But since I have already cited
||| sutra passages that clearly prove the argument, it is
||| hardly necessary to ask if there are similar passages in
||| the commentaries. If by chance you found that the sutras
||| and the commentaries disagreed, would you then discard the
||| sutras and follow the commentaries?"
|||
||| Writings of Nichiren Shonin, Doctrine 1, University of
||| Hawaii Press, page 195
|||
||| "Your question is out of order. You may ask for
||| scriptural proofs to back up statements in later
||| commentaries, but you may not look for proofs in later
||| commentaries when the statements in sutras are clear. Are
||| you going to side with commentaries against sutras in cases
||| where you find then contradictory?"
|||

I'm sorry, you can't dismiss Nichiren Daishonin (as a "later commentator" to be ignored) to avoid his admonitions against slander of the Law and towards refuting slander of the Law (which you have), and then quote him to support your attack on his true followers in the SGI.

You yourself said that the Lotus Sutra is the only mentor you will follow, so to be consistent with your denial of Nichiren Daishonin as mentor, please quit quoting him to undermine those true disciples of Nichiren Daishonin that actually follow him closely and carry out his intent by their actions, in the SGI.

You are either with Nichiren Daishonin or you are in Avichi Hell:

From the Orally Transmitted Teachings, p. 138,

... Point Seventeen, on the words "Abandoning restraint, they
... give themselves up to the five desires / and fall into the
... evil paths of existence."
...

... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says:

... "Abandoning restraint" is a term designating slander of
... the Law. Those who do so are without doubt destined to
... fall into the Avichi hell.
...
... But now Nichiren and his followers, who chant
... Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, are exempted from the fate referred
... to in this passage of the sutra.

After summarily dismissing Nichiren Daishonin (have you every called him "Daishonin" in this forum? I think not) and then having the temerity to quote the dismissed Bodhisattva Superior Practices, you then have the utter gall to go on and interpret what he says and re-interpret the Lotus Sutra for yourself.

||| Here Nichiren is setting a priority between reliance on
||| the Sutra and the commentaries.
|||
||| It is not automatically bad to take heed of what teachers
||| or mentors have to say, they may have genuinely useful
||| insights.
|||
||| The issue is about keeping a separation between them and
||| setting the correct hierarchy so that one can evaluate
||| those insights against the benchmark of the Law, Buddha
||| and (Lotus) Sutra, whist maintaining the priority order
||| that maintains the supremacy of Law, Buddha and Sutra.
|||
||| In terms of any modern Nichiren sect that claims to
||| practice his teachings, one might add Nichiren's teaching
||| to the end of that pecking order.
|||
||| So we can see by this that the teaching of "the way
||| mentor disciple" as currently used by the SGI is at best
||| unclear and invites confusion in the practice of the Lotus
||| Sutra and at worst is open to abuse.
|||
||| Further more it is at odds with Nichiren's approach.
||| Where he deliberately separated these concepts to avoid
||| risk, the SGI brings then together and invites it.
|||
||| One particular problem is the emphasis with which the
||| mentor is given by some practitioners, which has potential
||| to obstruct their faith and hinder their practice. This
||| results from the general focus that is currently accorded
||| to thus teaching by SGI.
|||
||| It results in strange statements about having a
||| 'supercharged practice' as a result of embracing the mentor
||| or achieving radical life transformation as a result of
||| having 'made a relationship with Sensei (or 'my mentor').
||| As if pure faith in Namu myoho renge kyo and the Gohonzon
||| wasn't enough!
|||

People who have experienced what you have not, try and express their experiences in human terms that you can understand. That is mentoring. Just having faith in the Lotus Sutra and undermining the Sangha that encouraged your practice of that faith, is not a small evil, Iain.

||| Given that Nichiren Buddhism is fundamentally about
||| correct faith in the correct object of worship, this trend
||| should be worrying to any organisation that is concerned
||| with teaching thus Buddhism.
|||
||| There are indications that the focus on the mentor is
||| displacing Namu myoho renge kyo and the Gohonzon and
||| becoming a thing in itself that is considered as the means
||| for salvation.
|||
||| I'm sure some will object, pointing out that SGI continue
||| to chant the Daimoku to the Gohonzon and to teach about
||| Nichiren, the Daimoku and the Gohonzon. This is all true
||| however it's a red herring. It's not that the SGI does
||| these things, it's a question of how and to what degree.
|||
||| Put simply, anything that has the potential to damage
||| correct understanding and correct faith or to divert from a
||| central correct focus on the power of Namu myoho renge kyo
||| and the Gohonzon, should be put aside.
|||
||| We have seen how conflating different things by using the
||| same term to refer to them is not correct in terms of
||| Nichiren's teaching.
|||
||| If one goes further and then states "if one forgets the
||| way of mentor-disciple, one cannot attain enlightenment" as
||| Mr Ikeda does in his 2009 lecture on the Heritage of the
||| Ultimate Law of Life and Death, one can clearly see the
||| danger that Nichiren was warning his disciples about.
|||
||| To assert such a thing is not only irresponsible but it
||| is unsupportable on the basis of the Lotus Sutra and
||| Nichiren's teaching. The Sutra clearly teaches that if one
||| makes a relationship with the Sutra, even if one rejects it
||| or slanders it, one will attain enlightenment. Nichiren
||| teaches the same thing. So how can Mr Ikeda assert such a
||| thing and who do we take as right?
|||

What President Ikeda says is simply a reflection of his experience doing Kosen Rufu and by doing countless shakubuku and leading activities and seeing what has worked and what has not. You have none of that experience, Iain. Those who divide and undermine the Sangha, EVEN WHEN THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT IN SOME SMALL PRINCIPLE, are doing a great evil to the greater Kosen Rufu movement.

Note that the Three Presidents all suffered under the yoke of an absolutely corrupt priesthood, and remained supportive, handing over vast amounts of money and follwing their rituals loyally. It was the ingratitude and jealousy of the NST priesthood that caused THEM to excommunicate US. That was the reward the SGI received from them. We didn't leave them, they kicked us out. We followed Nikko Shonin's admonitions to the bitter end as loyal disciples of the Fuji School. And like a tongue pushed to the side as the rotten tooth of Nichiren Shoshu is extracted from the mouth of the Fuji School, we will remain healthy in spite of their corruption. Their will be peripeteia, a reversal of fortune, for the Fuji School.

||| The answer should be clear based on Nichiren's statements
||| above. Mr Ikeda's teaching is to be disregarded. And yet
||| for many SGI members who have accepted the teaching of
||| mentor-disciple and accepted the notion that it is
||| legitimate to bring different things together to form a
||| oneness, will most probably either miss this variance with
||| the Sutra or find a way explain it away. It is likely that
||| if they have taken Daiseku Ikeda as their mentor that they
||| will favour him and accepted his teaching rather than
||| reject it on the basis of the Sutra.
|||
||| One nutshell, they are likely to reject Nichiren, reverse
||| the priority and assert his supremacy over that of the Law,
||| Buddha, The Sutra and Nichiren. And if they do that, they
||| will have damaged their faith.
|||
||| So, does the teaching of mentor disciple help or hinder
||| practitioners of Nichiren Buddhism? My answer to that is a
||| resounding no.
|||
||| The purpose of a teacher of the Law is to facilitate
||| their students to a correct faith and practice that becomes
||| self motivated and self sustaining and to get out of their
||| way when it does. In a sense it is the most humble role
||| that if done well is as effective as it is invisible.
|||
||| When the student establish a faith and practice that
||| results in the Law pulsing strongly through their lives as
||| it did with the Atsuhara believers the teacher knows they
||| have done what they came to do, it is time to quietly
||| celebrate one's achievement, laud the students achievement
||| and let go.
|||
||| Now that really is a mentor...

I take it that you are the "great teacher" showing President Ikeda and the SGI (and the "later commentator" Nichiren Daishonin) how to do this properly?

I will repeat what I said to you in another post.

I note that your preaching to your new Sangha is an attempt to mentor and collect disciples to your new Buddhism, Iain.

You have identified both Nichiren Daishonin as "later commentators" that you can ignore at your whim, by virtue of your vast wisdom and interpretation of the Lotus Sutra, replacing them both and putting forth your new Iain Buddhism.

There are three treasures, not two.

The Sangha is third of those, and a Sangha must have a
leader to survive.

Hence, not following the Sangha's leader means abandoning
the Sangha and forgoing one of the legs of that three
legged platform for your life.

Even though you misrepresented yourself as a member of
the SGI for two months after you abandoned it, you must
at least comprehend that.

Replacing the Buddha with oneself and stealing the
Buddha's Sangha are the acts of Devadatta, Iain. It all
starts out with lies and ends in misery.

Here's the initial revealing of the misrepresentation,
complete with putting the blame on others for your
actions:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/eVElZxnOADY/fJGOdGdhDAAJ

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-8, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
||| Oh and on a related note, I parted company with SGI on
||| the last day of 2015 and have been remiss in thanking you
||| for enabling me to understand how far it had drifted from
||| the organisation I joined (and would still join if it
||| taught the sane things and facilitated the sane pure
||| faith). I owe you a great debt of gratitude. :D

Note that the disciples are collecting already at the
bottom of that list of posts.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:13:22 PM UTC-8, kahlei...@gmail.com wrote:
||| *applause* Iain your posts continue to give me life and
||| are a source of encouragement. Thank you. Daily life is
||| busy so at the moment i do not have time to post or even
||| read. But i do have a question I would like to get answered
||| from the gosho steeped people of this forum so will post
||| later.
||| Happy Thursday.

Here's the first failed attempt to form a Sangha outside
ARBN, which failed utterly [with Julian's responses],
which is why you continue to attempt to make this
forum your new Sangha:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/RULYUjCHykc/eHiAld6SEAAJ

On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-8, Julian wrote:
> On 01/01/2016 18:19, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
> ||| Thanks Chas, I know it wasn't directed at me and I've
> ||| guessed there's a history between David and you, lool I've
> ||| seen some of the exchanges here and on Narchive! Still, I
> ||| found it surprising and I restate that I don't think you do
> ||| that, at least I hope you wouldn't!!!
> |||
> ||| Odd that you're having posts blocked, I haven't had
> ||| that at all but hey. So what do you reckon? Shall we move
> ||| out of the wild west and into a moderated forum? What's
> ||| your vote? Alex? David? Mark? Anyone else?
> |||
> ||| If we want to do that, I'd want to set some ground
> ||| rules we could agree on and that keep the forum lively,
> ||| free yet not prone to excesses of objectionable posting.
> ||| Provided that's agreed and stated up front, very happy to
> ||| moderate a group on that basis...
> |||
> ||| What say you guys? :)
>
> I'm not interested in moderated fora unless I, alone, am
> the moderator.
> Even then it would be too tiresome to keep my interest
> beyond a day
> or so.

On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 4:29:53 AM UTC-8, Julian wrote:
> On 01/01/2016 22:36, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
> ||| OK, thanks Julian, that's a pity. Not even if it's a
> ||| loosely moderated forum and moderated openly to jointly
> ||| agreed criteria? If you change your mind, let me know. I
> ||| hope you're doing well by the way. Happy New Year to you :)
> |||
>
> In my experience, invariably, the moderators go insane
> corrupted by even so little power.

I have nothing to add there.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

宗祖ハ如来使ﾅﾙｺﾄ分明也。

"It is clear that the founder is the servant/messanger or the Buddha."

Written by Nichikan.

Source : "Complete Writings of High Priests"
7 volumes - sold only to priests and doctorate level professors -cost : $2000. !

Text is Classical Chinese - translated by Shinkei - confiirmed by 2 independent sources 😊

Those who have sincere seeking minds will verify all info I have shared here -- and realize as I have that the Shoshu priest SGI calls the great reformer was the " Fall guy" for the bold strokes transforming Nichiren's teachings to match Tendai " original enlightenment " doctrine .

Oh what a tangled web !! Scholars and sincere priests can unravel and expose NST/SGI.

The true teachings of Nichiren will be propagated without fail .

~ Katie

[Noel]

Nichiren is a missionary of Thus Come One 3 bodied Tathagata

It's not saying that Nichiren is the servant/messengers of Shakyamuni Buddha

In trying to prove SGI/NST wrong you prove them right

Thanks Katie for having a sincere seeking mind to verify that Nichiren is a fully enlightened Buddha even though it runs contrary to your intention

You should keep on learning from Nichikan and eventually, you'll be released from your entanglement of erroneous doctrines

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren is the servant / messenger of the Buddha , according to writing by Nichikan - do, Shoshu has misrepresented Nichikan AND. revised the Three Jewels.

Does your wife read Classical Chinese?
That is the language Nichikan used.

Interesting how confident you appear calling Nichiren a " Buddha" in light of the fact Nichiren himself never said this.

Investigating and examining original documents is a vital undertaking, not given much respect by the 3 self- professed teachers posting here .

~Katie

[Noel]

宗祖ハ如来使ﾅﾙｺﾄ分明也

如来 (Nyorai) = Thus Come One is Present


釈迦牟尼 (Shakyamuni) is Absent


仏陀（Buddha) is Absent


Your way out of your depth, as usual, Katie and take everything out of context to suit your tunnel vision mentality. You and Shinkai are but infants playing in your Shakyamuni Buddha sandpit professing yourselves to be wise from little knowledge that is dangerous in the hands of fools such as you guys

[Katie Higgins]

如来 (nyorai) means the Buddha. This is the one Buddha land, and the Buddha is the eternal Shakyamuni.

From "The Letter of Petition for Yorimoto":

建治三年六月の「頼基陳状（よりもとちんじょう）」（興師写本在）にも

「其の故は日蓮聖人は御経にとかれてましますが如くば久成如来（くじょうにょらい）の御使上行菩薩の垂迹（すいじゃく）法華本門の行者五五百歳の大導師にて御座候（ござそうろう）聖人を」（昭定１３５２頁）とありますように、四条金吾さんは日蓮聖人のことを「久成如来の御使上行菩薩の垂迹」と仰いでいたことが分かります。

Important to master the basics - before you become a verbally abusive critic 😬

~Katie

[Noel]

如来 (Nyorai) = Thus Come One is the quality of Buddha not actually a person, therefore, you cannot say Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Shakyamuni Buddha however you can say Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nyoria/Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Thus Come One

Nichiren fused with Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Thus Come One therefore living the life an enlightened Budddha as historical Buddha's and common mortals do

[Noel]

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:48:00 PM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:

宗祖ハ如来使ﾅﾙｺﾄ分明也

You have yet to distinguish the difference 如来 (Nyorai) = Thus Come One
釈迦牟尼 (Shakyamuni) 仏陀（Buddha). You need study these meanings from the SGI dictionary that you have sadly neglected which explains your confusion and desist with your nonsense

Thus Come One ［如来］ (, Pali tathāgata;  nyorai): One of the ten honorable titles of a Buddha, meaning one who has come from the realm of truth.

This title indicates that a Buddha embodies the fundamental truth of all phenomena and has grasped the law of causality spanning past, present, and future.

There are two opinions about the Sanskrit and Pali word tathāgata. One view interprets it as a compound of tathā and āgata, meaning “thus come one” and indicating one who has arrived from the realm of truth. This is the interpretation generally used in Chinese translations.

The other interprets the word tathāgata as the compound of tathā and gata, meaning “thus gone one” and indicating one who has gone to the world of enlightenment.

Buddha ［仏］ (, Pali;  hotoke or butsu): One enlightened to the eternal and ultimate truth that is the reality of all things, and who leads others to attain the same enlightenment.

In India, the word Buddha was originally a common noun meaning awakened one or enlightened one, referring to those who attained any kind of religious awakening.

In Buddhism, it refers to one who has become awakened to the ultimate truth of all phenomena. In this context, the term Buddha at first was applied exclusively to Shakyamuni.

Later, however, with the development of Buddha as an ideal, numerous Buddhas appeared in Mahayana scriptures. These include such Buddhas as Amida and Medicine Master. Expressions such as “the Buddhas of the ten directions” and “the Buddhas of the three existences” communicate the idea that Buddhas, or the potential for enlightenment they represent, are omnipresent. The state of perfect enlightenment sought in Buddhism is called Buddhahood.

Various definitions of Buddha are set forth in Buddhist teachings. In Hinayana teachings, it means one who has entered the state of nirvana, in which both body and mind are extinguished.

Mahayana teachings generally maintain that one becomes a Buddha only after innumerable kalpas of austere and meritorious practices, by eradicating illusions and earthly desires and acquiring the thirty-two features of a Buddha.

The Lotus Sutra views Buddha as one who manifests the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent, who is enlightened to the true aspect of all phenomena, and who teaches it to people to save them from suffering.

The Buddhism of Nichiren, which is based on the Lotus Sutra and regards it as Shakyamuni’s most profound teaching, recognizes the potential of every person to become a Buddha.

[Katie Higgins]

The SGI dictionary? Looked up " kanto Tendai"-for you , Noel-- but unfortunately what you really need to know isn't in the SGI dictionary 😬

~ Katie

[Noel]

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 8:03:09 PM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> The SGI dictionary? Looked up " kanto Tendai"-for you , Noel-- but unfortunately what you really need to know isn't in the SGI dictionary 😬
>
> ~ Katie

You and many other past and present SGI members have failed to deepen their understanding of and appreciation for Buddhist philosophy have displeased Honourary President, Daisaku Ikeda of Soka Gakkai International

You seek knowledge from scholars that tickle your ears and wax dum to the profound teachings that are before you


"A Buddhist writing states, “The Law does not spread by itself. Because the people spread it, both the people and the Law are respect-worthy” (Gosho zenshū, p. 856).

If the Buddha, having awakened to the Dharma, or Law of life, had not endeavored to teach it to others, his enlightenment would have been incomplete.

Moreover, even though the Buddha himself expounded this Law, without others to spread it, it would not have benefited the people.

We of the Soka Gakkai earnestly hope our publication of English works, such as the translation of Nichiren’s writings and this dictionary, may serve to make the wisdom of Buddhism accessible to more people, enabling them to find a way to true happiness and thereby contributing to the realization of a peaceful world.

If by encountering this dictionary, many people are able to deepen their understanding of and appreciation for Buddhist philosophy, I will be deeply gratified.

Finally, I want to extend my heartfelt appreciation to those who have assisted with the preparation and editing of this dictionary."

Daisaku Ikeda
President, Soka Gakkai International

[Katie Higgins]

Like I said- nothing remotely about Nichiren in the SGI corporation-- bags of hot air and pathetic synchophants/ taking turns behind the pulpit!

You are displaying both characteristics - in syncs with the rubbish you propagate .

Pitiful 😭

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

It's like Nichiren is your puppet - saying what makes you feel grand and self important !!

You aren't reading Nichiren to understand his mind and heart , you use his words to make yourself look superior !!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

As you are well aware in the midst of your distortions of Buddhism, and as has been mentioned to you multiple times, quoting Nichiren Daishonin, who is quoting the Lotus Sutra's title, "the actual name of the entity" is NOT Shakyamuni, NOR Nichiren Daishonin, NOR Daisaku Ikeda, NOT the name of any impermanent being who has ever or will ever live. "The actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge."

And all common and impermanent mortals share that name as their shared true entity, in all our variety. Said in more succinct terms by Nichiren Daishonin, "the common mortal is ... the true Buddha."
___________________________________________

________ Slanders of the eternal Buddha __________

Once again, that quote from ARBN:

||| "A Nichiren Buddhist priest that I recently met in Japan
||| said that there were around 50 Nikko sects and SGI and
||| Nichiren Shoshu are only 2 of them and there around 500
||| Nichiren Shu sects. I reckon he'd be right by the amount
||| of temples I visited. Some of the Nichiren Shu and Nikko
||| temples had Nichiren placed directly in front of the
||| Gohonzon. The deity's in the temple grounds and inside
||| their temples of the Pure land, Shingon, Shinto and Zen are
||| the same as the deity's we have in our Gohonzons but in 3D
||| up to about 20m in Height ..."

It is unimaginable that people could read the Gosho quote down below and still not understand what Nichiren Daishonin states clearly: the original Buddha is named Myoho-Renge, and not named Shakyamuni, Nichiren Daishonin, anyone or anything else.

The treachery of the Five Senior Priests who founded Nichiren Shu and converted Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Buddhism into a syncretic Shinto statue-worshiping deist faith has now led to this treasonous view by a denizen of ARBN:

||| I have considered the recipients of Nichiren's writings to
||| be a key factor, or rather, an important element regarding
||| the *meaning* conveyed. Nichiren wrote about the Gohonzon
||| to disciples and lay followers whom he had taught for
||| almost two decades; all of whom grasped the doctrines
||| Nichiren himself established for propagating
||| Myoho-renge-kyo in this latter age.
|||
||| Do you, Chas, accept and believe the preceding 18 years of
||| Nichiren's teachings , written to these disciples and lay
||| followers? In those writings I find and provide passages
||| here, to establish that Nichiren himself taught the primacy
||| of the daimoku as " a complete explanation" of the Lotus
||| Sutra, and Shakyamuni as the true, eternal Buddha. Since
||| you have dismissed the basic understanding ALL recipients
||| of Nichiren's writings most certainly had, how can you make
||| any determinations about the *meaning* expressed in the
||| Gosho?

First, let's hear what Nichiren Daishonin says on the subject.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30

... Question: The Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai has explained that
... the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
... meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
... figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
... or lotus?
...
... Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
... detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
... enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
... seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
... seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
... is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
... volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
>> follows: "RENGE, OR LOTUS, IS NOT A SYMBOL; IT IS THE
>> ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY. For example, at the beginning
... of the kalpa of continuance, the various things in the
... world had no names. The sage observed the principles that
... govern them and on that basis made up names for them." He
... also writes: "Now the name renge is not intended as a
... symbol for anything. It is the teaching expounded in the
... Lotus Sutra. The teaching expounded in the Lotus Sutra is
... pure and undefiled and explains the subtleties of cause
... and effect. Therefore, it is called renge, or lotus. This
... name designates the true entity that the meditation based
... on the Lotus Sutra reveals, and is not a metaphor or
... figurative term."

Note the line, Myoho-Renge is "the actual name of the entity," the Entity of the Mystic Law.

"The entity" of the Mystic Law, BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, the Buddha of the original state, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.

However, "the entity" is clearly not named Shakyamuni Buddha NOR Nichiren Daishonin, in spite of their profound roles in manifesting the enlightenement of the Lotus Sutra, preaching the Lotus Sutra and leading the Kosen Rufu endeavour to spread it widely.

Myoho-Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life. These are real people, who emerge from the impurities of the Saha World and attain enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra alone, and no other practice (in fact, in spite of other grievous slanders of the Law.)

We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku: when we give voice to the eternal truth of the Law. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.

Myoho-Renge is always pure and true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or statues manifesting their visage or the aspect of their impermanence: we would not want to repeat their errors.

One of the errors that neither Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin are known for is the error of the kind of preening arrogance that would be in any way comfortable with being worshiped like a Hindu god, and certainly not as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth in some traditionally deifying sense.

Shakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin must suffer greatly at the slanders of sincere followers misled by the corrupted priests of Nichiren Shu and the Nikko sects as described at the top quote regarding statue worship of them: being hoisted up and placed in front of the Gohonzon.

According to the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, who was the son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

>> The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: IN
>> THIS PASSAGE WE LEARN ABOUT THE BUDDHA OF THE ORIGINAL
>> STATE [THAT IS, THE BUDDHA OF LIMITLESS JOY]. "GRANDFATHER"
>> IS ANOTHER NAME FOR THE DHARMA-REALM. The first three of

... the ten factors listed in the "Expedient Means" chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as "grandfather." Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word "wheel-turning" refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words "sage king"
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

The followers of the 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu consider the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings to ALSO BE FAKED (because its view of Buddhism would disallow statue worship and funeral Buddhism), but once again, the Gosho in many places AND THE CORE OF THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, confirms this view.

That passage refers to this one, the one and only reference to "the grandfather", where his son, who is the father of 16th son Shakyamuni, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, attains enlightenment when "the Law of the buddhas finally appeared before him". This from the mouth of Shakyamuni Buddha, himself:

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... "Now, monks, THE BUDDHA GREAT UNIVERSAL WISDOM EXCELLENCE
... PASSED TEN SMALL KALPAS BEFORE THE LAW OF THE BUDDHAS
... FINALLY APPEARED BEFORE HIM AND HE ATTAINED SUPREME
... PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT. Before this buddha left the

... householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a

... hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
... all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
... place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
... thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
... alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
... arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
... to the ground.

Since the "grandfather" was the father of the Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, who was the father of the 16th son who later became Shakyamuni Buddha, and because the Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence attained enlightenment prior to Shakyamuni, this is evidence from the one and only earliest timeline from the Lotus Sutra, that Shakyamuni Buddha was NOT the name of the Buddha of the original state.

In fact, anyone attaining enlightenment on any timeline for the first time cannot be named as the Buddha of the original state, who is enlightened from beginningless time, which is off the end of every timeline and not actually part of any history.

The "grandfather" is anonymous in the Lotus Sutra. The "grandfather" has no time associated with his enlightenment, or assignment of any progenitor and Nichiren Daishonin assigns him as primogenitor in that passage from the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, as the first: the "Buddha of the original state."

Aside from that, who knows, I don't. As far as I can tell, the eternal Buddha has no other person identified as such in the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni attained enlightenment after his father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and unnamed grandfather with no date for his attainment of the enlightenment.

At any rate, who was first hardly matters, unless you want to worship a statue or image of the first enlightened one. I certainly don't want to worship or pray to any statues of anyone.

I am satisfied that the Buddha leading the army of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth is Nichiren Daishonin, also known as Jogyo Superior Practices. He is the mentor whose Gosho I have made my mentor, because our general, Ikeda Sensei asked me too. I practice as Nichiren Daishonin says and only that way. I worship no person and images of any person.

Continuing, another challenge from a follower of the Nichiren Shu icchantikas/issendai:

||| You, Chas, claim to be practicing Nichiren's teachings- do
||| you not? Then please explain why you cannot believe
||| thousands of passages written in Nichiren's own hand, such
||| as:
|||
||| "Now, when the Eternal Buddha has revealed in the essential
||| section of the Lotus Sutra, this world of endurance
||| (Saha-world) became the Eternal Pure Land, indestructible
||| even by the three calamities of conflagration, flooding,
||| and strong winds, which are said to destroy the world. It
||| transcends the four periods of cosmic change: the kalpa of
||| construction, continuance, destruction and emptiness.
||| Sakaymuni Buddha, the Lord-preacher of this pure and, has
||| never died in the past, nor will He be born in the future.
||| He exists forever throughout the past present and future.
||| All those who receive His GUIDANCE are one with the Eternal
||| Buddha." - Nichiren, "The True Object of Worship".
|||
||| Now, you are interpreting the Lotus Sutra- in an effort to
||| support your SGIkeda's claim that Nichiren, not Shakyamuni
||| is the True, Original Buddha!! By doing this you are also
||| dismissing Nichiren's own statements referencing his
||| identity as the Buddha's envoy, the only one who can
||| understand the "entity of the Lotus"--So, YOU, Chas claim
||| to be --what? the envoy of the Buddha you have demoted?? Or
||| are you just a parrot for SGIkeda's lies??
|||
||| To summarize, I practice Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism. I
||| regard Nichiren as the ONE teacher for this latter age. I
||| believe the words Nichiren has used to describe himself,
||| Shakyamuni Buddha and the Lotus Sutra--Since, you, Chas do
||| not produce evidence for your assertions from Nichiren's
||| own hand, you are not qualified to call yourself a follower
||| of Nichiren-- in fact, you have clearly shown yourself to
||| be a follower of Ikeda, whose errors have been exposed here
||| and elsewhere , whilst your Top leaders refuse to engage in
||| public debate to settle the matters you continue to parrot
||| here!!

This is yet another bad translation of the Gosho, by corrupted statue-worshiping priests of Nichiren Shu. Note the absence of the term "Eternal Buddha" in the correct translation below, that phrase having been doctored by Nichiren Shu slandering priests in their corrupted translation.

Shakyamuni was of course manifesting Myoho-Renge, his true self and at the highest condition of human existence when he was preaching the Juryo chapter.

But his name was Shakyamuni, not Myoho-Renge, which is "the actual name of the entity" according to Nichiren Daishonin.

From "The Object of Devotion for Observing the Mind Established in the Fifth Five-Hundred-Year Period after the Thus Come One's Passing -Nichiren, the shramana of Japan", WND I, p. 366 ... once again, noting the total absence of calling Shakyamuni the "eternal Buddha":
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/39#para-70

... First, at his place of enlightenment, Shakyamuni Buddha
... [preached the Flower Garland Sutra in which he] revealed
... the Lotus Treasury World. In the following fifty years,
... until he entered nirvana in the grove of sal trees,
... Shakyamuni preached about the lands of the various Buddhas,
... such as the Lotus Treasury World and the Land of Secret
... Solemnity [in the Secret Solemnity Sutra], revealed the
... three kinds of lands when he three times purified countless
... lands [in the theoretical teaching of the Lotus Sutra], and
... revealed the four kinds of lands according to the four
... different views [in the Nirvana Sutra]. These lands—the
... Land of Transition, the Land of Actual Reward, and the Land
... of Tranquil Light; the Land of Peace and Sustenance, the
... Pure Emerald World, the Land of Secret Solemnity, and the
... lands of all the other Buddhas—are transient lands that
... change in the course of the kalpas of formation,
... [continuance, decline, and disintegration]. The Buddhas of
... these lands had been magically conjured by Shakyamuni
... Buddha, and when the lord of teachings entered nirvana, all
... these Buddhas likewise entered extinction. In the same way,
... their lands also vanished.
...
... The sahā world Shakyamuni Buddha revealed in the "Life
... Span" chapter is the eternal pure land, impervious to the
... three calamities and to the cycle of the four kalpas. The
... Buddha neither has entered into extinction in the past nor
... will be born in the future. And the same is true of his
... disciples. This means that their lives are perfectly
... endowed with the three thousand worlds, that is, with the
... three realms of existence. The Buddha did not reveal this
... truth in the theoretical teaching, or the first fourteen
... chapters, of the Lotus Sutra because the time was not right
... and the people's capacity was not yet developed.
...
... Shakyamuni Buddha did not transmit the five characters of
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
... the Lotus Sutra, even to the bodhisattvas Manjushrī and
... Medicine King, let alone to any lesser disciples. He
... summoned from beneath the earth the great bodhisattvas as
... numerous as the dust particles of a thousand worlds and, as
... he preached the eight chapters, transferred it solely to
... them.

Finally, a piece of logic related to time itself, and that logic is irrefutable.

Beginningless time is before any finite point in the past on the timeline, such as when Shakyamuni attained enlightenment. From the Lotus Sutra, chapter 16, starting with the critical phrase "Ga hon gyo bosatsu do":
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-14

... originally I practiced the bodhisattva way,
... and the life span that I acquired then has
... yet to come to an end but will last twice
... the number of years that have already passed.

A finite time in the past, which is half the time of a future point, can not possibly be the locus known as "beginningless time", which is off the timeline. The eternal Buddha's enlightened life crosses before, during and after every point on the timeline, which is why the adjective "eternal" is applied.

Shakyamuni, in his complete honesty, declared that he attained enlightenment under another Buddha and implicitly therefore that Shakyamuni is not the name of the eternal Buddha, as the Nichiren Shu and it's plausibly deniable legion of SGI attackers erroneously believe. You cannot deny what the Lotus Sutra says, Shakyamuni is not the name of the eternal Buddha, anymore than anyone's impermanent name is. That name is Myoho-Renge.

________ Slanders of the Gohonzon ________________

In an exchange with a follower of the errant 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu on ARBN:

||||.. "You make yourself an enemy of the Lotus Sutra by
||||.. slandering the true aspect via your worship of statues. "
||||
|||| BREAKING NEWS-- I don't worship statues !!
||||
|||| I have one statue, 6 inches in height of Shakyamuni Buddha
|||| below my Nichiren Gohonzon.
||||
|||| Nichiren kept a statue of Shakyamuni and he instructed at
|||| least tree of his disciples on consecrating their statues
|||| of Shakyamuni which they had fashioned themselves!! Three
|||| Goshos describe the meaning of having an image of
|||| Shakyamuni-- and all have been references and presented as
|||| responses to accusations like this one posted by Chas,
|||| months ago.
||||
|||| Chas, you either cannot read, or simply prefers to blast
|||| your own warped notions as though they were facts. Saw a
|||| lot of that during the presidential campaign --
..
.. It's in front of your Butsudan. From the viewpoint of the
.. Gohonzon, you are making it [at least] an equal.

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

From "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 384:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-7

>> Although not worthy of the honor, I, NICHIREN, WAS
>> NEVERTHELESS THE FIRST TO SPREAD THE MYSTIC LAW ENTRUSTED
>> TO BODHISATTVA SUPERIOR PRACTICES FOR PROPAGATION IN THE
>> LATTER DAY OF THE LAW. I WAS ALSO THE FIRST, THOUGH ONLY
>> BODHISATTVA SUPERIOR PRACTICES IS SO EMPOWERED, TO INSCRIBE

>> [THE OBJECT OF DEVOTION as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni

... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the "Life Span"
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the "Treasure Tower" chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the "Emerging from the Earth"
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. NOT onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

Continuing in that passage:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-8

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote

>> island is, I believe, AN OFFENSE THAT CAN NEVER BE
>> EXPIATED, EVEN WITH THE PASSING OF COUNTLESS KALPAS. A
>> PASSAGE FROM THE "SIMILE AND PARABLE" CHAPTER READS, "IF I
>> WERE TO DESCRIBE THE PUNISHMENTS [THAT FALL ON PERSONS WHO
>> SLANDER THIS SUTRA], I COULD EXHAUST A KALPA AND NEVER COME

>> TO THE END." On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the

... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and

>> lay supporter. THE SUTRA READS, "[THE BENEFITS HE GAINS
>> THEREBY WILL BE SUCH THAT] EVEN THE BUDDHA WISDOM COULD
>> NEVER FINISH CALCULATING THEIR EXTENT."

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit:

"an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope EVEN FOR THEM, because:

'The sutra reads, "[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent."'

Continuing in that passage:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-9

>> NICHIREN ALONE TOOK THE LEAD IN CARRYING OUT THE TASK OF
>> THE BODHISATTVAS OF THE EARTH. HE MAY EVEN BE ONE OF THEM.
>> IF NICHIREN IS TO BE COUNTED AMONG THE BODHISATTVAS OF THE

>> EARTH, THEN SO MUST HIS DISCIPLES AND LAY SUPPORTERS. The

... sutra states: "If one [of these good men or good women in

>> the time after I have passed into extinction] IS ABLE TO
>> SECRETLY EXPOUND THE LOTUS SUTRA TO ONE PERSON, EVEN ONE
>> PHRASE OF IT, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT HE OR SHE IS THE
>> ENVOY OF THE THUS COME ONE. HE HAS BEEN DISPATCHED BY THE

>> THUS COME ONE AND CARRIES OUT THE THUS COME ONE'S WORK."

... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

[Katie Higgins]

"Re the Yorimoto chinjo Gosho
The version that is in the Shoshu and Gakkai Gosho is :
再治本 (saijihon) which is a revision.
This copy is by Nikko of the fuji group.

建治三年六月の「頼基陳状（よりもとちんじょう）」（興師写本在）にも

「其の故は日蓮聖人は御経にとかれてましますが如くば久成如来（くじょうにょらい）の御使上行菩薩の垂迹（すいじゃく）法華本門の行者五五百歳の大導師にて御座候（ござそうろう）聖人を」（昭定１３５２頁）とありますように、四条金吾さんは日蓮聖人のことを「久成如来の御使上行菩薩の垂迹」と仰いでいたことが分かります。

This version exists in holigraph at kitayama honmonji. We can see how Nikko understood Nichirens identity as Jogyo, messenger of the eternal Buddha.
Its written plain as day. If one can read it and thinks it means something else, then they are avoiding the truth. " Shinkei

Actual documents are presented during formal debate. This is the standard that is required and the procedure that is most difficult to perform " on- line"-- though not entirely impossible , the audience here lacks the means and the skill to process the fundamental evidence that opposes their views. But that's not all - here there is eho investment in rather easy to refute erroneous teachings .i don't intend to slight or defame Anyone here -- it is one's own behavior that ultimately exposes one's true nature.

Lacking skill is nothing to be ashamed of -/ but lacking sincere motivation to investigate the information presented by someone who does pisses skill , is shameful .

All that I am sharing can be verified by sincere students of Nichirens teachings . And I already know this is occurring. Continuing with the usual personal attacks will further expose the weaknesses and dubious agendas of those claiming superior comprehension of heretical teachings .

I have no interest in ego battles -- either one can acknowledge the need for thorough scholarly research , or one dismisses it because he can't be bothered to make the required effort to verify and authenticate crucial writings, and reliably translate them .

Sincere readers will make their own conclusions based on the tenor of comments here.

Best~
~Katie

[Chas.]

I don't quite understand why you think this is an important new revelation.

In the last deep explanatory writing of Nichiren Daishonin was received by Ota Jomyo (whom Nichiren sternly corrected on the top of page 978 of the WND I, "On Establishing the Four Bodhisattvas as the Object of Devotion",) and this Gosho letter clearly declares who Nichiren Daishonin really is: Jogyo.

From "Receiving of the Three Great Secret Laws", WND II, p. 987:

... These Three Great Secret Laws were unquestionably received
... by me, Nichiren, some two thousand and more years ago, when
... I was the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth; they
... were passed on to me by oral transmission from the lord of
... teachings, the World-Honored One of Great Enlightenment.
... And these actions that I now take embody what I received in
... transmission on Eagle Peak, without the slightest deviation
... or alteration in form, the three great matters of the Law
... of the “Life Span” chapter.

As I have restated endlessly to y'all, quoting Nichiren Daishonin, who is quoting the Lotus Sutra's title, "the actual name of the entity" is NOT Shakyamuni, NOR Nichiren Daishonin, NOR Daisaku Ikeda, NOT the name of any impermanent being who has ever or will ever live. "The actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/v6xPPxdrQC0/F8tG_JcrBQAJ

Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

How does your " revelation" hold up in the 10 Major Writings?

It appears that your assertions about the "name of the true entity " only serve the revision of the Three Jewels that is the cornerstone of your Shoshu derived doctrine. Your "revelation " is from a disputed Gosho that forms the main corpus of your doctrine, which just so happens to demote Shakyamuni Buddha .

It would appear that you are merely substantiating your revision of the Three Jewels with the corrupted teachings of your Shoshu heritage!

~Katie

[Chas.]

It is in fact your revelation that is confused and does not hold up:
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My revelation uses some of the major writings to make my case:
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On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 11:07:09 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Only in one Gosho - disputed and ongi kuden - fake.
[snip your bilge about missing the point, which you are evading with that flak.]

1. You made your typical and rather stupid evasion over the point that "the actual name of the entity" is NOT Shakyamuni, NOR Nichiren Daishonin, NOR Daisaku Ikeda, NOT the name of any impermanent being who has ever or will ever live. "The actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge." That quote is from "The Entity of the Mystic Law."

Are you now declaring one of Nichiren Daishonin's most important Gosho letters to be faked, too.

Answer that question honestly, and not by sleazy innuendo as you have been doing. Go on the record.

2. THIS GOSHO, which you have also smeared with that same innuendo is making a different point entirely, that Nichiren Daishonin claims to be Jogyo, leader of the Bodhissattvas of the earth. Are you attacking that Gosho and that claim, too?

From "Receiving of the Three Great Secret Laws", WND II, p. 987:

... These Three Great Secret Laws were unquestionably received
... by me, Nichiren, some two thousand and more years ago, when
... I was the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth; they
... were passed on to me by oral transmission from the lord of
... teachings, the World-Honored One of Great Enlightenment.
... And these actions that I now take embody what I received in
... transmission on Eagle Peak, without the slightest deviation
... or alteration in form, the three great matters of the Law
... of the “Life Span” chapter.

Stop slopping up your attacks on the Gosho by being imprecise. Get yourself ON THE RECORD on these attacks and make it clear which of Nichiren Daishonin's Goshos you think are disputed and faked, and stop smearing the rest of them with your broad and frankly confused brush.

Here are clearly MORE THAN ON Gosho quotes backing up my claim about common mortals being the true Buddha, and attaining enlightenment when you chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo the first time.

All living beings are Buddhas, endowed with the three Bodies of the Buddha received from their parents.

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From "On the Treasure Tower," WND I, pp. 299-300:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31#para-3
.. YOU, YOURSELF, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY
.. ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES. You should
.. chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with this conviction. Then the
.. place where you chant daimoku will become the dwelling
.. place of the treasure tower.

He says it plainly right there: "You, yourself, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES." Nichiren Daishonin is not just being a cheerleader for Abutsu-bo here, he really means it.

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From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 131:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-202
.. THE BUDDHA NATURE THAT ALL THESE BEINGS POSSESS IS CALLED
.. BY THE NAME MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. THEREFORE, IF YOU RECITE THESE
.. WORDS OF THE DAIMOKU ONCE, THEN THE BUDDHA NATURE OF ALL
.. LIVING BEINGS WILL BE SUMMONED AND GATHER AROUND YOU. AT
.. THAT TIME THE THREE BODIES OF THE DHARMA NATURE WITHIN
.. YOU—THE DHARMA BODY, THE REWARD BODY, AND THE MANIFESTED
.. BODY—WILL BE DRAWN FORTH AND BECOME MANIFEST. THIS IS
.. CALLED ATTAINING BUDDHAHOOD. To illustrate, when a caged
.. bird sings, the many birds flying in the sky all gather
.. around it at once; seeing this, the bird in the cage
.. strives to get out.”

And there he says it again, very clearly, no interpretation required. "... if you recite the words of the daimoku once ... This is called attaining Buddhahood."

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From "The Unanimous Declaration by the Buddhas of the Three Existences regarding the Classification of the Teachings and Which Are to Be Abandoned and Which Upheld," WND II, pp. 847-848:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/315#para-105
.. THE SENTIENT BEINGS AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TEN WORLDS
.. ARE THE BUDDHA OF THE DHARMA BODY, ONE WHO POSSESSES THE
.. VIRTUE OF THE THREE BODIES IN A SINGLE ENTITY. Once one has
.. understood this, one will fully realize that all phenomena
.. are the Buddhist Law. This is known as the stage of hearing
.. the name and words of the truth. FROM THE STAGE OF HEARING
.. THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH ONE PROCEEDS DIRECTLY TO
.. THE ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM. Thus
.. in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment
.. there are no successive stages of practice.

Note the phrase: "From the stage of HEARING THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH one proceeds directly to the ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM."

From hearing the daimoku -> directly to attaining Buddhahood.

Then he says: "Thus in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment THERE ARE NO SUCCESSIVE STAGES OF PRACTICE."

Thus, there are no extra practices needed to attain Buddhahood.

Enlightenment or Buddhahood is attained by hearing or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for the very first time. In that moment you are a participant in the ceremony in the air.

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From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 429:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-89

.. Therefore, we understand that, once the “Life Span”
.. chapter of the essential teaching had been revealed, ALL
.. THOSE IN THE ASSEMBLY ON EAGLE PEAK BECAME ENLIGHTENED TO
.. THE LOTUS OF THE ENTITY. Those of the two vehicles, the
.. icchantikas, or persons of incorrigible disbelief, and
.. the determinate groups, as well as women and evil men,
.. ALL GAINED AN AWAKENING TO THE LOTUS OF THE ETERNAL BUDDHA.

All living beings are Buddhas, and they all attain Buddhahood/enlightenment in the ceremony in the air, which you participate in, upon any contact with the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra.

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From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 133:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-217

.. “It is the same way with the practitioners of the Lotus
.. Sutra. THOUGH THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES OF
.. BUDDHISM AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM
.. DELUSION, IF ONLY THEY HAVE FAITH, THEN WITHOUT A DOUBT
.. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FREE THEMSELVES simultaneously from
.. the illnesses of the three categories of illusion—illusions
.. of thought and desire, illusions innumerable as particles
.. of dust and sand, and illusions about the true nature of
.. existence. THEY WILL REACH THE LANDS OF ACTUAL REWARD AND
.. TRANQUIL LIGHT, AND CAUSE THE THREE BODIES OF A THUS COME
.. ONE THAT THEY INHERENTLY POSSESS TO SHINE.

In Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo IS EQUAL TO FAITH, chanting it and even hearing it is attaining enlightenment and manifesting your inherent Buddhahood.

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From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 470:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-20
.. People may well wonder what this revelation means. Explain
.. that it teaches that COMMON PEOPLE LIKE OURSELVES, who have
.. been submerged in the sufferings of birth and death since
.. time without beginning and who never so much as dreamed of
.. reaching the shore of enlightenment, BECOME THE THUS COME
.. ONES WHO ARE ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE
.. THREE BODIES.

And that means through the revelation (hearing the daimoku, chanting it) of the Lotus Sutra itself, we common people become the Thus Come Ones (plural,) not through some Bodhisattva path. We perform as Bodhisattvas, BECAUSE WE HAVE ATTAINED BUDDHAHOOD THROUGH CHANTING NAM_MYOHO_RENGE_KYO TO THE GOHONZON.

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From "The One Essential Phrase," WND I, p. 922:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/121#para-1
.. SINCE THE LOTUS SUTRA DEFINES OUR BODY AS THE DHARMA BODY
.. OF A THUS COME ONE, OUR MIND AS THE REWARD BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, AND OUR ACTIONS AS THE MANIFESTED BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, ALL WHO UPHOLD AND BELIEVE IN EVEN A SINGLE
.. PHRASE OR VERSE OF THIS SUTRA WILL BE ENDOWED WITH THE
.. BENEFITS OF THESE THREE BODIES. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is only
.. one phrase or verse, but it is no ordinary phrase, for it
.. is the essence of the entire sutra. YOU ASKED WHETHER ONE
.. CAN ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD ONLY BY CHANTING NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO,
.. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL. THIS IS THE
.. HEART OF THE ENTIRE SUTRA AND THE SUBSTANCE OF ITS EIGHT
.. VOLUMES.

Just by chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, we can attain Buddhahood. He doesn't say how long we have to chant, because it happens immediately.

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From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-29
.. IN ESSENCE, THE ENTITY OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS THE PHYSICAL
.. BODY THAT THE DISCIPLES AND FOLLOWERS OF NICHIREN WHO
.. BELIEVE IN THE LOTUS SUTRA RECEIVED FROM THEIR FATHERS AND
.. MOTHERS AT BIRTH. Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD
.. EXPEDIENT MEANS, PUT FAITH IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ALONE, AND
.. CHANT NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, WILL TRANSFORM THE THREE PATHS
.. OF EARTHLY DESIRES, KARMA, AND SUFFERING INTO THE THREE
.. VIRTUES OF THE DHARMA BODY, WISDOM, AND EMANCIPATION. The
.. threefold contemplation and the three truths will
.. immediately become manifest in their minds, and the place
.. where they live will become the Land of Eternally Tranquil
.. Light. The Buddha who is the entity of Myoho-renge-kyo, of
.. the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching, who is
.. both inhabiting subject and inhabited realm, life and
.. environment, body and mind, entity and function, THE BUDDHA
.. ETERNALLY ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES—HE IS TO BE FOUND
.. IN THE DISCIPLES AND LAY BELIEVERS OF NICHIREN.

Notice the qualifying phrase:

"Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD EXPEDIENT MEANS, put faith in the Lotus Sutra alone, and chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, will transform the three paths of earthly desires, karma, and suffering into the three virtues of the Dharma body, wisdom, and emancipation."

You have to "honestly discard expediant means" to gain the benefits of the three bodies: you can't worship statues, practice the four dictums (Zen, Nembutsu, Tantric/True Word, Shakyamuni's provisional precepts), join with Shinto, or chant to pirated printouts of Gohonzon stolen by traitorous, thieving, murderous priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping Shinto cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of God Almighty, which he would have rejected as utterly narcissistic. That slander of complicity cancels your benefits of the three bodies.

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From "The Doctrine of Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life," WND II, p. 87:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/180#para-43
.. THIS MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS A TERM DESIGNATING THE ESSENTIAL
.. NATURE OF OUR MINDS, OR, MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE
.. ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THE MINDS OF ALL LIVING BEINGS, THE
.. EIGHT-PETALED WHITE LOTUS BLOSSOM. THE WORDS OF THE BUDDHA
.. HIMSELF TEACH US THIS. From time without beginning until
.. the present, these bodies of ours have transmigrated
.. through the realm of birth and death, in a state of
.. delusion as to the essential nature of the mind that is
.. within these bodies. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE
.. LOTUS SUTRA AND CHANT THE DAIMOKU THAT REPRESENTS THE THUS
.. COME ONE OF ORIGINAL ENLIGHTENMENT, WHO POSSESSES THE THREE
.. BODIES IN A SINGLE BODY, THE THUS COME ONE BECOMES
.. MANIFEST. In our present existence we achieve the inner
.. realization and attainment of Buddhahood that is known as
.. the attainment of Buddhahood in our present form.

Once again, he states it clearly and without any amount of chanting or time passage: our Buddhahood "becomes manifest" at the point when we "have encountered the Lotus Sutra and chanted the daimoku."

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It's so simple, why can't you and Jackie Stone just get this through your thick skulls?

You are calling Nichiren Daishonin a Tendai distorter preaching "original enlightenment," and you should cease and desist!

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Looks like you zero on a detail that you interpret and/or embellish with original enlightenment doctrine--, completely missing the foundation of Nichiren's doctrine.

Why wouldn't you demean J. Stone's knowledge or even my appreciation of her knowledge? It's the same attitude you have with Nichiren's writings-- YOU prefer the egocentric renderings of licentious priests-- your hobos are your "teachers" --Yet you yourself lack credentials for ANY of your macho rhetoric!

We get that much!

~Katie

[Noel]

“Devadatta” (12th) chapter of the Lotus Sutra, indicating that it signifies that all women have the potential to gain enlightenment."

I believe in your potential to gain enlightenment Katie if not in this life then in some of your infinite future lives

[Katie Higgins]

And precisely what do I gain placing any confidence in your beliefs ?

Passive/ aggressive "buddha " is what you look like !!

~Katie

Because you lack knowledge and skill to either preac

[Katie Higgins]

Continued from previous comment :

My argument is that Noel , Chas & Ricky are deficient on multiple levels - history, culture and language and have no basis for their authoritative "preaching". It is obvious their attacks come from " personal " bias and are likewise aimed at discrediting " persons "-/ an obvious attempt to detract from their ignorance .

~Katie

[Chas.]

Your crazy-train views that the only persons who can attain enlightenment are those that can read and translate 13th century Japanese and Chinese characters, BADLY AND WITH THE DISTORTIONS OF NICHIREN SHU STATUE WORSHIPING SHINTO ... those views are clearly not supported by the existence of Shakyamuni, who neither read, not spoke, 13th century Japanese or Chinese. Surely he understood what he was saying perfectly well. Of course, that person bears no relationship with your statues of handsome boy models pretending to be Shakyamuni for their sculptor.

You are simply out of your mind, Katie Higgins!

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

I think it is pretty obvious that if one intends to practice the teachings written in Classical Chinese and medieval Japanese, one has to either develop the skill to read these languages or depend upon the translations of others .

Furthermore. If one intends to become a follower of Nichiren , one should first and foremost learn a one can about Nichiren , the culture and Buddhist teachings that influenced his writings .

You are propagating s " short cut", advocating reliance on one small group of SGI brand " experts " and demonizing multiple scholars and serious minded followers of Nichiren who are exposing major errors in your doctrine . This is YOUR rendition of following an unparalleled Buddhist scholar, Nichiren !!

You continue to twist my comments and smear everyone who points out what should be obvious to you by now - but you have no expertise to even determine who amongst the scholars that are teaching more about Nichiren than SGU/NST/Shu combined !! You cannot even form a reliable frame of reference -- just blind loyalty to an organization .

~Katie

[Chas.]

So, let's get this right.

You have to study in Chinese and Japanese characters to attain enlightenment in your distortion of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

And yet you do your 5 and 3 gongyo in English?

Here's more confusion from Katie Higgins:
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:27:22 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Noel, I believe the Buddha's golden words on the matter -- well explained in detail on the Life Span chapter of the Lotus Sutra. Perhaps you do not believe the Lotus Sutra and though you may still recite the Jiga-ge , you do not believe ..." Since I attained Buddhahood the number of kalpas that have passed is immeasurable hundreds of thousands of myriads of tens of millions of quintillion's of asamkheyas. I have ever been preaching the Dharma, teaching and converting numberless tens of millions of beings ."
>
> Nichiren beloved The Buddha's teachings, Noel . Maybe you should consider what Nichiren's " bodily reading of the Lotus Sutra" means for us in this evil age? Or continue to dismiss the obvious -- according to Nichiren , Shakyamuni is the eternal Buddha .
>
> ~ Katie

We have been through this many times now, and you refuse to pay attention to the Lotus Sutra, always avoiding the truth.

The passage of time and the locus of a specific point in time means that there is a before and an after that point.

Before Shakyamuni was enlightened, there were his 15 older brothers, who were possibly concurrently (before and after) Buddhas like him in different parts of the universe.

Before their enlightenment came his father, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, as stated in the 7th chapter of the Lotus Sutra, which you ignore (quoted below.)

How much before is not stated.

Before that came his grandfather, the Buddha of the original state, called "Myoho-Renge", by Nichiren Daishonin in many Gosho letters. This is called the Buddha of Beginningless Time, or Kuon Ganjo.

This requires no analysis or interpretation whatsoever, it is stated clearly and succinctly.

Why do you not address this point? Because you can't, it makes everything you say and your Shinto worship of statues of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, a huge and vacuous lie.
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1. In fact, nowhere in the Lotus Sutra does Shakyamuni state that he is the Buddha of the original state, the eternal Buddha. Shakyamuni never, ever named himself as the eternal Buddha, in fact, he identified himself as the 16th son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, son of "the grandfather" in this passage:

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... “Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme perfect

... enlightenment. Before this buddha left the

... householder’s life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... “Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,

... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a hundred,
... thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects, all
... together surrounded the sons and followed them to the place
... of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the thus
... come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer alms,
... pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they arrived,
... they bowed before his feet, touching their heads to the
... ground.

You either have to accept what he says about himself or you are calling him the most incredible liar of all time. Which is it, Katie Higgins? Liar or Buddha?

2. In fact, nowhere in the Gosho does Nichiren Daishonin identify Shakyamuni as the Buddha of the original state. In fact, he identifies the actual name of the entity of the Mystic Law as Myoho-Renge:

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30

... Question: The Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai has explained that
... the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
... meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
... figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
... or lotus?
...
... Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
... detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
... enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
... seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
... seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
... is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
... volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as

>>> follows: “Renge, or lotus, is not a symbol; IT IS THE

>>> ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY. For example, at the beginning
... of the kalpa of continuance, the various things in the
... world had no names. The sage observed the principles that
... govern them and on that basis made up names for them.” He
... also writes: “Now the name renge is not intended as a
... symbol for anything. It is the teaching expounded in the
... Lotus Sutra. The teaching expounded in the Lotus Sutra is
... pure and undefiled and explains the subtleties of cause
... and effect. Therefore, it is called renge, or lotus. This
... name designates the true entity that the meditation based
... on the Lotus Sutra reveals, and is not a metaphor or

... figurative term.”

Is Nichiren Daishonin also lying?

3. If Nichiren Daishonin disagreed with the Lotus Sutra, Nichiren Daishonin himself would tell you to listen to the man with the "sutra in hand."

He states it clearly in the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings. Completely backs up what is in the Lotus Sutra passage about the grandfather.

According to the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

>>> The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: IN
>>> THIS PASSAGE WE LEARN ABOUT THE BUDDHA OF THE ORIGINAL
>>> STATE [THAT IS, THE BUDDHA OF LIMITLESS JOY]. “GRANDFATHER”
>>> IS ANOTHER NAME FOR THE DHARMA-REALM. The first three of
... the ten factors listed in the “Expedient Means” chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as “grandfather.” Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word “wheel-turning” refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words “sage king”
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

The followers of the 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu consider the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings to ALSO BE FAKED (because its view of Buddhism would disallow statue worship and funeral Buddhism), but once again, the Gosho in many places AND THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, confirms this view.

And now, are you calling the 7th Chapter of the Lotus Sutra "faked" as well as the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings and several Gosho letters that disagree with your statue-worshiping slander of the Law?

What's next?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Chas asks :>>"You have to study in Chinese and Japanese characters to attain enlightenment in your distortion of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

And yet you do your 5 and 3 gongyo in English? <<"

I redirect Chas to what i wrote: >>"I think it is pretty obvious that if one intends to practice the teachings written in Classical Chinese and medieval Japanese, one has to either develop the skill to read these languages or depend upon the translations of others . "<<

In other words, there is no getting around the translation issue and there is no shirting the crucial aspects of Buddhist history and culture-- . the question is how best to ascertain the truth of what Nichiren wrote, taught and lived. I contend that the "brand" SGI, which is an offshoot of Shoshu has made major errors and as others point out the major issue is the erroneous doctrine : that Nichiren is the original Buddha-- and that the "Gohonzon"/ "daimoku" SUPERCEDE the Lotus sutra an constitute a NEW higher, superior teaching.

I caution Chas about interpreting the Lotus sutra by any means other than Nichiren's own writing ON Nichiren's personal copy of the threefold Lotus sutra, the Chu-hokkekyo. It has been pointed out to Chas that although his "organization" has disregarded this document, it is extant, a "cultural treasure", Nichiren's annotations are in Classical Chinese and the translation of Nichiren's OWN words is underway.

Most of Chas' commentary is in defense of an erroneous doctrine, an evil doctrine, in fact, that has been widely propagated, and despite all evidence that our society is in serious spiritual decline, and despite the numerous stories published abut the corrupt multi billion dollar cult-level marketing org, , known as SGI, Chas will continue to defend both his "org" and meanwhile discount and dismiss all evidence that the "branches bearing rotten fruit" in the SGI are the product of their "rotten roots" -- Tendai original enlightenment doctrine--- Scholarly folks and those who appreciate the purpose of academic research will greatly appreciate learning that the SGI is NOT Nichiren's teachings , is the cause for the personal and widespread societal misery that is the result of widespread propagation of SGI's evil doctrine.

SGIkeda as a cult and a scam is not nearly as important as propagating the true teaching. It is just that one cannot even share truth amongst these hobos and not be attacked personally, etc. It is just that one cannot avoid denouncing the enemies of the Buddha in the current situation we find ourselves in. IF Chas or any of his cohorts DID actually care first and foremost abut following Nichiren, they themselves, would be engaged in research and dialogue about the critical mattes revealing the corruption of their lineage--

NOTE: SGI/Chas only responds with authoritative posturing, mud slinging and displays of their being the antithesis of Nichiren in their approach to understanding the true teachings.

~Katie

[Chas.]

You are projecting again, slinging mud, while accusing others of slinging mud. How typical of Katie Higgins.

I quote you the Lotus Sutra in many places and not one but a large number of Gosho letters that run completely counter to what it is you preach. You say you are a world renowned translator of 13th century Chinese and Japanese, and superior to Professor Burton Watson who died in April, here is his bio, let's compare it to yours:
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"Born in 1925 in New York, Burton Watson was educated at Columbia University, and received his doctorate in 1956. He also studied at Kyoto University as a Ford Foundation Overseas Fellow, and taught Chinese and Japanese language and literature at Kyoto, Columbia and Stanford. In 1979 he received the Gold Medal Award of the Translation Center at Columbia University. In 1981 he received the PEN Translation Prize."

'As winner of the PEN/Ralph Manheim Medal in 2015, Dr. Watson was regarded as "the inventor of classical East Asian poetry for our time."'

Burton Watson is a founding member of the Renditions Advisory Board, and served as Renditions Fellow in 1989-90. He has published over twenty volumes of translations from and studies of Chinese and Japanese literature. His translations of Hou Han Shu; Shi ji and the poems of Li Bai, Bai Juyi and Lu You are published in Renditions No.1, Nos. 21 & 22, Nos. 33 & 34, and No. 49. His translations of Records of the Grand Historian are published in the Renditions Book series.

Burton Watson is among the best loved of American translators working from Asian languages. The natural ease and quiet elegance of Watson's use of language is particularly suited to the work of such poets as Wang Wei, Bai Juyi and Lu You. The exhibits here are taken from Watson's translations of Bai Juyi, one of his faviourite poets.

Major Publications:

Po Chu-i: Selected Poems. New York: Columbia University Press, 2000.

Masaoka Shiki: Selected Poems. New York: Columbia University Press, 1997.

The Vimalakirti Sutra. New York: Columbia University Press, 1997.

Letters of Nichire. New York: Columbia University Press, 1996.

Selected Poems of Su Tung-Po. Port Townsend, Wash.: Copper Canyon Press, 1994.

The Lotus Sutra. New York: Columbia University Press, 1993.

The Tso Chuan: Selections from China's Oldest Narrative History. New York: Columbia University Press, 1989.

Ssu-ma Ch’ien: the Historian & His Work. Ann Arbor, Mich.: University Microfilms International, 1985.

The Columbia Book of Chinese Poetry: from the Early Times to the
13th Century. New York: Columbia University Press, 1984.

From the Country of Eight Islands: an Anthology of Japanese Poetry. Garden City, New York: Anchor Books, 1981.

Japanese Literature in Chinese. New York: Columbia University Press, 1975-1976.

Courtier & Commoner in Ancient China. New York: Columbia University Press, 1974.

The Old Man Who Does As He Pleases: Selected Poetry and Prose of Lu Yu. New York: Columbia University Press, 1973.

Chinese Lyricism: Shih Poems from the 2nd to the 12th Century. New York: Columbia University Press, 1971.

Chinese Rhyme Prose: fu of Han & the Six Dynasties Period. New York: Columbia
University Press, 1971.

The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu. New York: Columbia University Press, 1968.
An Introduction to Sung Poetry. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1967.

Basic Writings of Mo Tzu Hsun Tzu and Han Fei Tzu. New York: Columbia University Press,
1967.
Su Tung-p’o: Selection from a Sung Dynasty Poet. New York: Columbia University Press, 1965.

Cold Mountain 100 Poems. New York: Grove, 1962; Cape: London, 1970.

Early Chinese Literature. New York: Columbia University Press, 1962.

Records of The Grand Historian of China. New York: Columbia University Press, 1961.

Records of the Grand Historian: Han Dynasty I & II; Qin dynasty. Hong Kong; New York: Renditions-Columbia University Press, 1993.
_______________________________________________

Let's see your academic credentials, list of accomplishments and distinguished awards, OK, Katie Higgins?

You're such an expert, I'm sure you can produce and adequate Curriculum vitae to support your exaggerated claims of being an authority.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

What are your qualifications, Chas to make any sort of statement as to the veracity of Watson' stranslations?
Yours is a straw man argument. No one is questioning Watson's translation. Its the published version of it. Things added, removed and changed for the sectarian versions.
Only half the corpus translated? Why is that?

~Katie

[Chas.]

So, you are not questioning Burton Watson's translation, merely his integrity regarding what he would have his name on as translator?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Again -- it is not the transcript of Burton Watson's translation -but the edited version your sect published that is in question -- shown to have additions , deletions and uniquely odd phrasing .

R.I.P. Burton Watson 🌹

<Katie

[Chas.]

What evidence of that can you produce, how about the unedited transcript?

You are such a bald-faced liar.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Why don't YOU know the process for publication? WHY are you not aware that Watson's original transcripts were NOT published by the Gakkai?

Scholars familiar with the process you are claiming ignorance of, are helpful in showing that there is/was an agenda "changing the basic messages" of Nichiren's original writings. You can be the last to acknowledge this, but in accordance with ALL of your misconceptions, there is a price to pay for "blind allegiance" to an "organization"-- Nichiren's life story is evidence of that!

~Katie

[Chas.]

Like I said, a cowardly liar and deceiver, unable to produce evidence of her slanders of the Lotus Sutra.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

>
> Like Chas said, a cowardly liar and deceiver IS: unable to acknowledge evidence that SGI's main corpus is a collection of fabricated and cunningly engineered documents !!

Thanks for putting yourself in proper context!

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

心生大歓喜 自知当作仏

"but, your minds filled with great joy,
will know that you yourselves will "ATTAIN"
Buddhahood."

Last 2 sentences of ch.2 Lotus Sutra .

Hey, Chas - do you recall former SGI-USA WD leader, Linda Johnsons double page WT -article under large print banner " Buddhahood is not something we attain"--? Published 2011.

Ms. Johnson wrote a very eloquent Tendai original enlightenment article that Greg Martin refused to retract !!

That you and SGIKEDA are egregiously misguided regarding attaining Buddhahood , is not a new or well kept secret 😬

~ Katie

[Mark Rogow]

Absolutely true!

[Chas.]

That's a bad translation. Here are the last two lines of Chapter 2 of the Lotus Sutra translated by Burton Watson:

All were able to acquiesce and obey and to turn the unregressing wheel of the Law. Immeasurable numbers of living beings conceived the desire for supreme perfect enlightenment.
______________________________________________

-I quote you the Lotus Sutra in many places and not one but a large number of Gosho letters that run completely counter to what it is you preach. You say you are a world renowned translator of 13th century Chinese and Japanese, and superior to Professor Burton Watson who died in April, here is his bio, let's compare it to yours:
_________________________________________________

-"Born in 1925 in New York, Burton Watson was educated at Columbia University, and received his doctorate in 1956. He also studied at Kyoto University as a Ford Foundation Overseas Fellow, and taught Chinese and Japanese language and literature at Kyoto, Columbia and Stanford. In 1979 he received the Gold Medal Award of the Translation Center at Columbia University. In 1981 he received the PEN Translation Prize."

-'As winner of the PEN/Ralph Manheim Medal in 2015, Dr. Watson was regarded as "the inventor of classical East Asian poetry for our time."'

-Burton Watson is a founding member of the Renditions Advisory Board, and served as Renditions Fellow in 1989-90. He has published over twenty volumes of translations from and studies of Chinese and Japanese literature. His translations of Hou Han Shu; Shi ji and the poems of Li Bai, Bai Juyi and Lu You are published in Renditions No.1, Nos. 21 & 22, Nos. 33 & 34, and No. 49. His translations of Records of the Grand Historian are published in the Renditions Book series.

-Burton Watson is among the best loved of American translators working from Asian languages. The natural ease and quiet elegance of Watson's use of language is particularly suited to the work of such poets as Wang Wei, Bai Juyi and Lu You. The exhibits here are taken from Watson's translations of Bai Juyi, one of his faviourite poets.

-Major Publications:

-Po Chu-i: Selected Poems. New York: Columbia University Press, 2000.

-Masaoka Shiki: Selected Poems. New York: Columbia University Press, 1997.

-The Vimalakirti Sutra. New York: Columbia University Press, 1997.

-Letters of Nichire. New York: Columbia University Press, 1996.

-Selected Poems of Su Tung-Po. Port Townsend, Wash.: Copper Canyon Press, 1994.

-The Lotus Sutra. New York: Columbia University Press, 1993.

-The Tso Chuan: Selections from China's Oldest Narrative History. New York: Columbia University Press, 1989.

-Ssu-ma Ch’ien: the Historian & His Work. Ann Arbor, Mich.: University Microfilms International, 1985.

-The Columbia Book of Chinese Poetry: from the Early Times to the

13th Century. New York: Columbia University Press, 1984.

-From the Country of Eight Islands: an Anthology of Japanese Poetry. Garden City, New York: Anchor Books, 1981.

-Japanese Literature in Chinese. New York: Columbia University Press, 1975-1976.

Courtier & Commoner in Ancient China. New York: Columbia University Press, 1974.

-The Old Man Who Does As He Pleases: Selected Poetry and Prose of Lu Yu. New York: Columbia University Press, 1973.

-Chinese Lyricism: Shih Poems from the 2nd to the 12th Century. New York: Columbia University Press, 1971.

-Chinese Rhyme Prose: fu of Han & the Six Dynasties Period. New York: Columbia
University Press, 1971.

-The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu. New York: Columbia University Press, 1968.

An Introduction to Sung Poetry. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1967.

-Basic Writings of Mo Tzu Hsun Tzu and Han Fei Tzu. New York: Columbia University Press, 1967.

-Su Tung-p’o: Selection from a Sung Dynasty Poet. New York: Columbia University Press, 1965.

-Cold Mountain 100 Poems. New York: Grove, 1962; Cape: London, 1970.

-Early Chinese Literature. New York: Columbia University Press, 1962.

-Records of The Grand Historian of China. New York: Columbia University Press, 1961.

-Records of the Grand Historian: Han Dynasty I & II; Qin dynasty. Hong Kong; New York: Renditions-Columbia University Press, 1993.
_______________________________________________

-So, let's see your extensive academic credentials, list of accomplishments and distinguished awards, OK, Katie Higgins?

-You're such an expert, I'm sure you can produce and adequate Curriculum vitae to support your exaggerated claims of being a translation authority for ancient Chinese and Japanese works.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Yo Chas !

This translation,

'...but, your minds filled with great joy,

will know that you yourselves will "ATTAIN"

buddhahood.'

is from the Gakkai Gosho website, lotus sutra, p.81.

Check it out 😀

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Sorry, I was on the wrong chapter on the website.

The lines are:

"You will have no more doubts or perplexities

but, your minds filled with great joy,

will know that you yourselves will attain buddhahood."

Now, remember that Nichiren Daishonin stated clearly that the theoretical first half of the Lotus Sutra leans towards the traditional Bodhisattva view of slowly attaining Buddhahood over time (sometimes, kalpas of it.) It isn't until the essential teaching of the last 14 chapters, from the 15th chapter “Emerging from the Earth” to the 28th chapter “Universal Worthy”, that the Shakyamuni who cast off his transient identity and revelaed his true identity as having attained enlightenment as one of the 16 sons of the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence in the remote past.

This would be one of those lines that is superseded by the view of the essential teaching of the latter half of the Lotus Sutra.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

I think your tendency to discount any part of the Lotus Sutra is the product of 'bad teachers"-- I think you have been mislead -- and though you could rethink some of your most rigid positions, you won't. Nichiren understood T'ien-t'ia's teaching regarding the entire Lotus sutra-- terms like "opening up" and "merging" were used in his teachings-- YOU are from the divide and discard "school" that resembles the fourfold rise and fall Tnedai doctrinal classification. This is NOT subtle at all-- it is profound and it directly relates to the literal meaning of Nichiren's actual words. IF you aren't more concerned with knowing what is authentic and what has been "contrived"---than acting like an expert- while knowing you cannot read Nichiren directly, then there is no possibility of constructive dialogue.

Again, you interpret-- based on yours and other' arbitrary ideas-- and THIS, in and of itself, is the antithesis of what Nichiren taught through his own example.

~Katie

[Chas.]

You are a parasite in the Lion's body, as you can see from Admonition #4 below

Like I said, I follow Nikko Shonin's 26 Admonitions, here are the first four:
______________________________________________

(1.) The doctrines of the Fuji school must not differ in the least from the teachings of the late master.

(2.) The doctrines of the five senior priests differ in every regard from the teachings of the late master.

(3.) There will [in the future] appear persons who slander our school, saying that the Gosho are forged writings. You must not associate with such evil
priests.

(4.) Those who produce forged writings and say that they are Gosho, or who practice with the view that the essential and theoretical teachings [of the
Lotus Sutra] are the same, are parasites in the lion's body.
______________________________________________

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Can you formulate an insult without promising it in s forged / fake document, Chas?

If you couldn't use your arsenal of phony "teachings " there would be a much appreciated , substantial decrease in your inane comments !!

~Katie

[Chas.]

Well, now it's clear. You do NOT have a list of Gosho letters that you consider "faked."

Like Senator Joseph McCarthy, you wave an empty list of "disputed Goshos" to silence and shut down any opposition.

You are "Tailgunner" Joe, in a dress.

Your true purpose is to discredit and dishonor ALL of Nichiren Daishonin's life work, to knock him down and erect statues of Shakyamuni as Almighty God everywhere for us all to bow down to in our insignificance.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

It is clear that you are not just clueless but lazy as well -- . There are several sources for researching the numerous issues around translation of medieval Japanese and Classical Chinese -- combined with historical cultural background on BUDDHISM in general and Nichiren's training . Education and influences in particular . You want s simple list that you can attack ? Sorry Chas, but no feeding frenzy will be dispersed here--not from me. Your ego battle fix will have to come from some unwitting participant who does not know your schemes znd tactics for distracting and derailing the presentation of Nichiten's true teachings .

< Katie

[Noel]

On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 7:43:10 AM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> It is clear that you are not just clueless but lazy as well -- . There are several sources for researching the numerous issues around translation of medieval Japanese and Classical Chinese -- combined with historical cultural background on BUDDHISM in general and Nichiren's training . Education and influences in particular . You want s simple list that you can attack ? Sorry Chas, but no feeding frenzy will be dispersed here--not from me. Your ego battle fix will have to come from some unwitting participant who does not know your schemes znd tactics for distracting and derailing the presentation of Nichiten's true teachings .
>
> < Katie

Your problem Katie is that you can't understand what Nichiren says in his Goshos that are written in plain simple everyday English that has been made available through translation so how in the Hell can you understand what Nichiren is saying by studying medieval Japanese and Classical Chinese. It's just further down the rabbit hole you go on your disoriented mentally deranged path

[Katie Higgins]

I dunno, Noel-- still wondering about your dismissal of about a thousand passages of Nichiren's clear, concise writing on the True Buddha, Shakyamuni. And still can't figure out why you cannot expand your study beyond wikipedia , the sermons of Shoshu priests and Ricky's manic zealotry!

You seem to be in need of indoctrination and are most impressed by those who follow that course-- yet, when one applies oneself to correct faith, the capacity for wisdom and comprehension is accompanied by diligence and dedication to the pursuit of truth. I know this to be the case, So, I see your attitude as reflecting your lack of faith and your complacency with lesser or completely erroneous teachings as a reflection of your need to protect your frail ego.

~Katie

[Noel]

Your faith is warped that's why you can't see Nichiren straight from the Gosho..it's that simple

[Katie Higgins]

Sorry ? I just mentioned the thousand plus passages you discount. And the verifiable authentic writings you can't acknowledge because it would deconstruct the foundations of your " original enlightenment " fantasy!

Question : what are the two possessions Nichiren himself treasured most ?

Answer : His personal , annotated (by him) copy of the Threefold Lotus Sutra, the " Chu-hokkekyo " and his statue of Shakyamuni Buddha.

Question : How do we know this ?

Answer :Becsuse Nichiren himself gave these possessions of his special designation in his last will and testament - which is extant in original form, preserved and protected as a cultural treasure in Japan.

~Katie

[Noel]

You cant understand what true Buddha Shakyamuni means so how can you understand anything else thats written

[Chas.]

You keep making the same fallacious argument, that because the eternal Buddha's actual name is NOT the Nichiren Daishonin, it must be Shakyamuni, raised up by you and Nichiren Shu as some Hindu/Shinto God Almighty avatar of Brahma or Vishnu. In fact the actual name of the entity, according to Nichiren Daishonin, is "Myoho-Renge." And all common mortals receive the three bodies at birth, from their parents. See the Gosho quotes below...
__________________________________________________

________ Slanders of the eternal Buddha __________

Once again, that quote from ARBN:

||| "A Nichiren Buddhist priest that I recently met in Japan
||| said that there were around 50 Nikko sects and SGI and
||| Nichiren Shoshu are only 2 of them and there around 500
||| Nichiren Shu sects. I reckon he'd be right by the amount
||| of temples I visited. Some of the Nichiren Shu and Nikko
||| temples had Nichiren placed directly in front of the
||| Gohonzon. The deity's in the temple grounds and inside
||| their temples of the Pure land, Shingon, Shinto and Zen are
||| the same as the deity's we have in our Gohonzons but in 3D
||| up to about 20m in Height ..."

It is unimaginable that people could read the Gosho quote down below and still not understand what Nichiren Daishonin states clearly: the original Buddha is named Myoho-Renge, and not named Shakyamuni, Nichiren Daishonin, anyone or anything else.

The treachery of the Five Senior Priests who founded Nichiren Shu and converted Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Buddhism into a syncretic Shinto statue-worshiping deist faith has now led to this treasonous view by a denizen of ARBN:

||| I have considered the recipients of Nichiren's writings to
||| be a key factor, or rather, an important element regarding
||| the *meaning* conveyed. Nichiren wrote about the Gohonzon
||| to disciples and lay followers whom he had taught for
||| almost two decades; all of whom grasped the doctrines
||| Nichiren himself established for propagating
||| Myoho-renge-kyo in this latter age.
|||
||| Do you, Chas, accept and believe the preceding 18 years of
||| Nichiren's teachings , written to these disciples and lay
||| followers? In those writings I find and provide passages
||| here, to establish that Nichiren himself taught the primacy
||| of the daimoku as " a complete explanation" of the Lotus
||| Sutra, and Shakyamuni as the true, eternal Buddha. Since
||| you have dismissed the basic understanding ALL recipients
||| of Nichiren's writings most certainly had, how can you make
||| any determinations about the *meaning* expressed in the
||| Gosho?

First, let's hear what Nichiren Daishonin says on the subject.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30

... Question: The Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai has explained that
... the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
... meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
... figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
... or lotus?
...
... Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
... detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
... enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
... seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
... seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
... is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
... volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as

>> follows: "RENGE, OR LOTUS, IS NOT A SYMBOL; IT IS THE

>> ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY. For example, at the beginning
... of the kalpa of continuance, the various things in the
... world had no names. The sage observed the principles that
... govern them and on that basis made up names for them." He
... also writes: "Now the name renge is not intended as a
... symbol for anything. It is the teaching expounded in the
... Lotus Sutra. The teaching expounded in the Lotus Sutra is
... pure and undefiled and explains the subtleties of cause
... and effect. Therefore, it is called renge, or lotus. This
... name designates the true entity that the meditation based
... on the Lotus Sutra reveals, and is not a metaphor or
... figurative term."

Note the line, Myoho-Renge is "the actual name of the entity," the Entity of the Mystic Law.

"The entity" of the Mystic Law, BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, the Buddha of the original state, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.

However, "the entity" is clearly not named Shakyamuni Buddha NOR Nichiren Daishonin, in spite of their profound roles in manifesting the enlightenement of the Lotus Sutra, preaching the Lotus Sutra and leading the Kosen Rufu endeavour to spread it widely.

Myoho-Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life. These are real people, who emerge from the impurities of the Saha World and attain enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra alone, and no other practice (in fact, in spite of other grievous slanders of the Law.)

We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku: when we give voice to the eternal truth of the Law. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.

Myoho-Renge is always pure and true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or statues manifesting their visage or the aspect of their impermanence: we would not want to repeat their errors.

One of the errors that neither Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin are known for is the error of the kind of preening arrogance that would be in any way comfortable with being worshiped like a Hindu god, and certainly not as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth in some traditionally deifying sense.

Shakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin must suffer greatly at the slanders of sincere followers misled by the corrupted priests of Nichiren Shu and the Nikko sects as described at the top quote regarding statue worship of them: being hoisted up and placed in front of the Gohonzon.

According to the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, who was the son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

>> The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: IN
>> THIS PASSAGE WE LEARN ABOUT THE BUDDHA OF THE ORIGINAL
>> STATE [THAT IS, THE BUDDHA OF LIMITLESS JOY]. "GRANDFATHER"
>> IS ANOTHER NAME FOR THE DHARMA-REALM. The first three of
... the ten factors listed in the "Expedient Means" chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as "grandfather." Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word "wheel-turning" refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words "sage king"
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

The followers of the 5 Senior Priests of Nichiren Shu consider the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings to ALSO BE FAKED (because its view of Buddhism would disallow statue worship and funeral Buddhism), but once again, the Gosho in many places AND THE CORE OF THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, confirms this view.

That passage refers to this one, the one and only reference to "the grandfather", where his son, who is the father of 16th son Shakyamuni, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, attains enlightenment when "the Law of the buddhas finally appeared before him". This from the mouth of Shakyamuni Buddha, himself:

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... "Now, monks, THE BUDDHA GREAT UNIVERSAL WISDOM EXCELLENCE
... PASSED TEN SMALL KALPAS BEFORE THE LAW OF THE BUDDHAS
... FINALLY APPEARED BEFORE HIM AND HE ATTAINED SUPREME
... PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT. Before this buddha left the

... householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a

... hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
... all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
... place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
... thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
... alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
... arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
... to the ground.

Since the "grandfather" was the father of the Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, who was the father of the 16th son who later became Shakyamuni Buddha, and because the Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence attained enlightenment prior to Shakyamuni, this is evidence from the one and only earliest timeline from the Lotus Sutra, that Shakyamuni Buddha was NOT the name of the Buddha of the original state.

In fact, anyone attaining enlightenment on any timeline for the first time cannot be named as the Buddha of the original state, who is enlightened from beginningless time, which is off the end of every timeline and not actually part of any history.

The "grandfather" is anonymous in the Lotus Sutra. The "grandfather" has no time associated with his enlightenment, or assignment of any progenitor and Nichiren Daishonin assigns him as primogenitor in that passage from the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, as the first: the "Buddha of the original state."

Aside from that, who knows, I don't. As far as I can tell, the eternal Buddha has no other person identified as such in the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni attained enlightenment after his father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and unnamed grandfather with no date for his attainment of the enlightenment.

At any rate, who was first hardly matters, unless you want to worship a statue or image of the first enlightened one. I certainly don't want to worship or pray to any statues of anyone.

I am satisfied that the Buddha leading the army of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth is Nichiren Daishonin, also known as Jogyo Superior Practices. He is the mentor whose Gosho I have made my mentor, because our general, Ikeda Sensei asked me too. I practice as Nichiren Daishonin says and only that way. I worship no person and images of any person.

Continuing, another challenge from a follower of the Nichiren Shu icchantikas/issendai:

||| You, Chas, claim to be practicing Nichiren's teachings- do
||| you not? Then please explain why you cannot believe
||| thousands of passages written in Nichiren's own hand, such
||| as:
|||
||| "Now, when the Eternal Buddha has revealed in the essential
||| section of the Lotus Sutra, this world of endurance
||| (Saha-world) became the Eternal Pure Land, indestructible
||| even by the three calamities of conflagration, flooding,
||| and strong winds, which are said to destroy the world. It
||| transcends the four periods of cosmic change: the kalpa of
||| construction, continuance, destruction and emptiness.
||| Sakaymuni Buddha, the Lord-preacher of this pure and, has
||| never died in the past, nor will He be born in the future.
||| He exists forever throughout the past present and future.
||| All those who receive His GUIDANCE are one with the Eternal
||| Buddha." - Nichiren, "The True Object of Worship".
|||
||| Now, you are interpreting the Lotus Sutra- in an effort to
||| support your SGIkeda's claim that Nichiren, not Shakyamuni
||| is the True, Original Buddha!! By doing this you are also
||| dismissing Nichiren's own statements referencing his
||| identity as the Buddha's envoy, the only one who can
||| understand the "entity of the Lotus"--So, YOU, Chas claim
||| to be --what? the envoy of the Buddha you have demoted?? Or
||| are you just a parrot for SGIkeda's lies??
|||
||| To summarize, I practice Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism. I
||| regard Nichiren as the ONE teacher for this latter age. I
||| believe the words Nichiren has used to describe himself,
||| Shakyamuni Buddha and the Lotus Sutra--Since, you, Chas do
||| not produce evidence for your assertions from Nichiren's
||| own hand, you are not qualified to call yourself a follower
||| of Nichiren-- in fact, you have clearly shown yourself to
||| be a follower of Ikeda, whose errors have been exposed here
||| and elsewhere , whilst your Top leaders refuse to engage in
||| public debate to settle the matters you continue to parrot
||| here!!

This is yet another bad translation of the Gosho, by corrupted statue-worshiping priests of Nichiren Shu. Note the absence of the term "Eternal Buddha" in the correct translation below, that phrase having been doctored by Nichiren Shu slandering priests in their corrupted translation.

Shakyamuni was of course manifesting Myoho-Renge, his true self and at the highest condition of human existence when he was preaching the Juryo chapter.

But his name was Shakyamuni, not Myoho-Renge, which is "the actual name of the entity" according to Nichiren Daishonin.

From "The Object of Devotion for Observing the Mind Established in the Fifth Five-Hundred-Year Period after the Thus Come One's Passing -Nichiren, the shramana of Japan", WND I, p. 366 ... once again, noting the total absence of calling Shakyamuni the "eternal Buddha":
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/39#para-70

... First, at his place of enlightenment, Shakyamuni Buddha
... [preached the Flower Garland Sutra in which he] revealed
... the Lotus Treasury World. In the following fifty years,
... until he entered nirvana in the grove of sal trees,
... Shakyamuni preached about the lands of the various Buddhas,
... such as the Lotus Treasury World and the Land of Secret
... Solemnity [in the Secret Solemnity Sutra], revealed the
... three kinds of lands when he three times purified countless
... lands [in the theoretical teaching of the Lotus Sutra], and
... revealed the four kinds of lands according to the four
... different views [in the Nirvana Sutra]. These lands—the
... Land of Transition, the Land of Actual Reward, and the Land
... of Tranquil Light; the Land of Peace and Sustenance, the
... Pure Emerald World, the Land of Secret Solemnity, and the
... lands of all the other Buddhas—are transient lands that
... change in the course of the kalpas of formation,
... [continuance, decline, and disintegration]. The Buddhas of
... these lands had been magically conjured by Shakyamuni
... Buddha, and when the lord of teachings entered nirvana, all
... these Buddhas likewise entered extinction. In the same way,
... their lands also vanished.
...
... The sahā world Shakyamuni Buddha revealed in the "Life
... Span" chapter is the eternal pure land, impervious to the
... three calamities and to the cycle of the four kalpas. The
... Buddha neither has entered into extinction in the past nor
... will be born in the future. And the same is true of his
... disciples. This means that their lives are perfectly
... endowed with the three thousand worlds, that is, with the
... three realms of existence. The Buddha did not reveal this
... truth in the theoretical teaching, or the first fourteen
... chapters, of the Lotus Sutra because the time was not right
... and the people's capacity was not yet developed.
...
... Shakyamuni Buddha did not transmit the five characters of
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, the heart of the essential teaching of
... the Lotus Sutra, even to the bodhisattvas Manjushrī and
... Medicine King, let alone to any lesser disciples. He
... summoned from beneath the earth the great bodhisattvas as
... numerous as the dust particles of a thousand worlds and, as
... he preached the eight chapters, transferred it solely to
... them.

Finally, a piece of logic related to time itself, and that logic is irrefutable.

Beginningless time is before any finite point in the past on the timeline, such as when Shakyamuni attained enlightenment. From the Lotus Sutra, chapter 16, starting with the critical phrase "Ga hon gyo bosatsu do":
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/16#para-14

... originally I practiced the bodhisattva way,
... and the life span that I acquired then has
... yet to come to an end but will last twice
... the number of years that have already passed.

A finite time in the past, which is half the time of a future point, can not possibly be the locus known as "beginningless time", which is off the timeline. The eternal Buddha's enlightened life crosses before, during and after every point on the timeline, which is why the adjective "eternal" is applied.

Shakyamuni, in his complete honesty, declared that he attained enlightenment under another Buddha and implicitly therefore that Shakyamuni is not the name of the eternal Buddha, as the Nichiren Shu and it's plausibly deniable legion of SGI attackers erroneously believe. You cannot deny what the Lotus Sutra says, Shakyamuni is not the name of the eternal Buddha, anymore than anyone's impermanent name is. That name is Myoho-Renge.


________ Slanders of the common mortal ___________
________ as the true Buddha ______________________

Let's revisit that ARBN quote from the follower of the Nichiren Shu traitorous founders, the Five Senior Priests who converted Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Buddhism into a syncretic Shinto statue-worshiping of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth:

||| I have considered the recipients of Nichiren's writings to
||| be a key factor, or rather, an important element regarding
||| the *meaning* conveyed. Nichiren wrote about the Gohonzon
||| to disciples and lay followers whom he had taught for
||| almost two decades; all of whom grasped the doctrines
||| Nichiren himself established for propagating
||| Myoho-renge-kyo in this latter age.
|||
||| Do you, Chas, accept and believe the preceding 18 years of
||| Nichiren's teachings , written to these disciples and lay
||| followers? In those writings I find and provide passages
||| here, to establish that Nichiren himself taught the primacy
||| of the daimoku as " a complete explanation" of the Lotus
||| Sutra, and Shakyamuni as the true, eternal Buddha. Since
||| you have dismissed the basic understanding ALL recipients
||| of Nichiren's writings most certainly had, how can you make
||| any determinations about the *meaning* expressed in the
||| Gosho?

There are many pillars upholding the difference of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra from all other Buddhisms, which are then clearly distortions of the Buddha's teachings and intent.

It's also abundantly true that all of Nichiren Daishonin's pillars stand together in perfect logical harmony, without the tiniest weak point in the structure. All of the deviant variants of Buddhism are like horrid collapsing lopsided structures in comparison. They are tents and hastily erected shacks that do not survive even the slight breeze. Let's start with the notion of manifesting Buddhahood in an instant:

From "Wu-lung and I-lung", WND I, p. 1099 (most relevant part highlighted):

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/162#para-1

... Myoho-renge-kyo is likened to the lotus. The great māndāra
... flower in heaven and the cherry blossom in the human world
... are both celebrated flowers, but the Buddha chose neither
... to compare to the Lotus Sutra. Of all the flowers, he
... selected the lotus blossom to symbolize the Lotus Sutra.
... There is a reason for this. Some plants first flower and
... then produce fruit, while in others fruit comes forth
... before flowers. Some bear only one flower but much fruit,
... others send forth many flowers but only one fruit, and
>> still others produce fruit without flowering. THUS THERE
>> ARE ALL MANNER OF PLANTS, BUT THE LOTUS IS THE ONLY ONE
>> THAT BEARS FLOWERS AND FRUIT SIMULTANEOUSLY. THE BENEFIT OF
>> ALL THE OTHER SUTRAS IS UNCERTAIN, BECAUSE THEY TEACH THAT
>> ONE MUST FIRST MAKE GOOD CAUSES AND ONLY THEN CAN ONE
>> BECOME A BUDDHA AT SOME LATER TIME. WITH REGARD TO THE
>> LOTUS SUTRA, WHEN ONE'S HAND TAKES IT UP, THAT HAND
>> IMMEDIATELY ATTAINS BUDDHAHOOD, AND WHEN ONE'S MOUTH CHANTS
>> IT, THAT MOUTH IS ITSELF A BUDDHA, AS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
>> MOON IS REFLECTED IN THE WATER THE MOMENT IT APPEARS FROM
>> BEHIND THE EASTERN MOUNTAINS, OR AS A SOUND AND ITS ECHO
>> ARISE SIMULTANEOUSLY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT THE SUTRA
>> STATES, "IF THERE ARE THOSE WHO HEAR THE LAW, THEN NOT A
>> ONE WILL FAIL TO ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD." THIS PASSAGE MEANS
>> THAT, IF THERE ARE A HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO
>> UPHOLD THIS SUTRA, WITHOUT A SINGLE EXCEPTION ALL ONE
>> HUNDRED OR ONE THOUSAND OF THEM WILL BECOME BUDDHAS.

The piece to focus on here is:

"The benefit of all the other sutras is uncertain, because they teach that one must first make good causes and only then can one become a Buddha at some later time. With regard to the Lotus Sutra, when one's hand takes it up, that hand immediately attains Buddhahood, and when one's mouth chants it, that mouth is itself a Buddha"

The only conceivable way that one can attain Buddhahood simultaneously with chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, is if one is already a Buddha, and one only needs to chant the daimoku to manifest that pre-existing and inherited Buddhahood.

As argued clearly in the previous 2nd section on slanders of the true aspect of all phenomena, (1.) the common mortal is the true Buddha and provisional Buddhas are a function of the true Buddha (common mortal), and (2.) all phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity, but is inclusive of all entities.

The view that the provisional Buddhas who appear to save we common mortals are THE Buddha, and that we ARE NOT, is a slander of the Lotus Sutra in the Latter Day of the Law and it arises from confusing inconspicuous benefit with enlightenment.

Here is Nichiren Daishonin's explanation of the differences in the teachings, and which view the Lotus Sutra takes.

From "The Unanimous Declaration by the Buddhas", WND II, p. 859:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/315#para-185

>> WHEN ONE TURNS TO THE PERFECT TEACHING, however, and sees
... that all phenomena are perfectly fused together, full and
... perfect like the moon on the fifteenth night of the month,
... free of all insufficiency, and when one understands them to
>> the fullest, THEN THERE IS NO MORE JUDGING THEM AS GOOD OR
>> BAD, NO MORE CHOOSING ON THE BASIS OF WHAT IS TIMELY, NO
>> MORE NEED TO SEEK OUT A QUIET SETTING, NO MORE QUESTION OF
>> WHICH PERSONS ARE ELIGIBLE. When one understands that all
... phenomena whatsoever are manifestations of the Buddhist
... Law, then one has fully comprehended the nature of the
... things of the phenomenal realm. Then even if one follows a
... path that is not the way, one will still be fulfilling
... the Buddha way.
...
>> HEAVEN, EARTH, WATER, FIRE, AND WIND ARE THE FIVE WISDOM
>> THUS COME ONES. THEY RESIDE WITHIN THE BODY AND MIND OF ALL
>> LIVING BEINGS AND ARE NEVER SEPARATED FROM THEM EVEN FOR AN
>> INSTANT. THEREFORE WORLDLY AFFAIRS AND AFFAIRS RELATING TO
>> ENLIGHTENMENT BLEND TOGETHER IN HARMONY WITHIN THE MIND OF
>> THE INDIVIDUAL; OUTSIDE OF THE MIND, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO
>> OTHER THING THAT EXISTS. THEREFORE, WHEN ONE HEARS THIS
>> TRUTH, ONE CAN AT THAT POINT IMMEDIATELY ATTAIN THE GOAL OF
>> BUDDHAHOOD WITHOUT A MOMENT'S DELAY, FOR IT IS A PRINCIPLE
>> OF THE UTMOST PROFUNDITY.

To confuse inconspicuous benefit with enlightenment is a slander of the Lotus Sutra, and will cause one to fall into the evil paths.

Inconspicuous benefit grows slowly as one practices, like a great tree.

Being the true Buddha is the heritage of the Law, received from your parents at birth in the form of the three bodies of the Buddha, establishing your true identity as Myoho-Renge, the Entity of the Mystic Law.

You have always been and will always be the true Buddha: to be a living being is to be the true Buddha.

What in heaven's name is so difficult to understand about the common mortal being the true Buddha? It has nothing at all to do with the "original enlightenment" of corrupted Tendai traitors, who just want to sit on their ass and do nothing.

SGI members accept that the enlightenment they attain upon chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to the Gohonzon means that they have to walk that talk: the characteristics of a Buddha are the characteristics of a Bodhisattva bent on doing Kosen Rufu. Law -> Wisdom -> Action, and the action of shakubuku speaks the loudest: shakubuku manifests your Buddhahood most clearly.

All living beings are Buddhas, endowed with the three Bodies of the Buddha received from their parents.

From "On the Treasure Tower," WND I, pp. 299-300:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31#para-3
.. YOU, YOURSELF, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY
.. ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES. You should
.. chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with this conviction. Then the
.. place where you chant daimoku will become the dwelling
.. place of the treasure tower.

He says it plainly right there: "You, yourself, ARE A THUS COME ONE WHO IS ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES." Nichiren Daishonin is not just being a cheerleader for Abutsu-bo here, he really means it.

From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 131:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-202
.. THE BUDDHA NATURE THAT ALL THESE BEINGS POSSESS IS CALLED
.. BY THE NAME MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. THEREFORE, IF YOU RECITE THESE
.. WORDS OF THE DAIMOKU ONCE, THEN THE BUDDHA NATURE OF ALL
.. LIVING BEINGS WILL BE SUMMONED AND GATHER AROUND YOU. AT
.. THAT TIME THE THREE BODIES OF THE DHARMA NATURE WITHIN
.. YOU—THE DHARMA BODY, THE REWARD BODY, AND THE MANIFESTED
.. BODY—WILL BE DRAWN FORTH AND BECOME MANIFEST. THIS IS
.. CALLED ATTAINING BUDDHAHOOD. To illustrate, when a caged
.. bird sings, the many birds flying in the sky all gather
.. around it at once; seeing this, the bird in the cage
.. strives to get out.”

And there he says it again, very clearly, no interpretation required. "... if you recite the words of the daimoku once ... This is called attaining Buddhahood."

From "The Unanimous Declaration by the Buddhas of the Three Existences regarding the Classification of the Teachings and Which Are to Be Abandoned and Which Upheld," WND II, pp. 847-848:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/315#para-105
.. THE SENTIENT BEINGS AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE TEN WORLDS
.. ARE THE BUDDHA OF THE DHARMA BODY, ONE WHO POSSESSES THE
.. VIRTUE OF THE THREE BODIES IN A SINGLE ENTITY. Once one has
.. understood this, one will fully realize that all phenomena
.. are the Buddhist Law. This is known as the stage of hearing
.. the name and words of the truth. FROM THE STAGE OF HEARING
.. THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH ONE PROCEEDS DIRECTLY TO
.. THE ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM. Thus
.. in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment
.. there are no successive stages of practice.

Note the phrase: "From the stage of HEARING THE NAME AND WORDS OF THE TRUTH one proceeds directly to the ATTAINMENT OF BUDDHAHOOD IN ONE’S PRESENT FORM."

From hearing the daimoku -> directly to attaining Buddhahood.

Then he says: "Thus in the teaching of perfect and immediate enlightenment THERE ARE NO SUCCESSIVE STAGES OF PRACTICE."

Thus, there are no extra practices needed to attain Buddhahood.

Enlightenment or Buddhahood is attained by hearing or chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for the very first time. In that moment you are a participant in the ceremony in the air.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 429:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-89

.. Therefore, we understand that, once the “Life Span”
.. chapter of the essential teaching had been revealed, ALL
.. THOSE IN THE ASSEMBLY ON EAGLE PEAK BECAME ENLIGHTENED TO
.. THE LOTUS OF THE ENTITY. Those of the two vehicles, the
.. icchantikas, or persons of incorrigible disbelief, and
.. the determinate groups, as well as women and evil men,
.. ALL GAINED AN AWAKENING TO THE LOTUS OF THE ETERNAL BUDDHA.

All living beings are Buddhas, and they all attain Buddhahood/enlightenment in the ceremony in the air, which you participate in, upon any contact with the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra.

From "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man," WND I, p. 133:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-217

.. “It is the same way with the practitioners of the Lotus
.. Sutra. THOUGH THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLES OF
.. BUDDHISM AND MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM
.. DELUSION, IF ONLY THEY HAVE FAITH, THEN WITHOUT A DOUBT
.. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FREE THEMSELVES simultaneously from
.. the illnesses of the three categories of illusion—illusions
.. of thought and desire, illusions innumerable as particles
.. of dust and sand, and illusions about the true nature of
.. existence. THEY WILL REACH THE LANDS OF ACTUAL REWARD AND
.. TRANQUIL LIGHT, AND CAUSE THE THREE BODIES OF A THUS COME
.. ONE THAT THEY INHERENTLY POSSESS TO SHINE.

In Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo IS EQUAL TO FAITH, chanting it and even hearing it is attaining enlightenment and manifesting your inherent Buddhahood.

From "The Teaching, Practice, and Proof," WND I, p. 470:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/57#para-20
.. People may well wonder what this revelation means. Explain
.. that it teaches that COMMON PEOPLE LIKE OURSELVES, who have
.. been submerged in the sufferings of birth and death since
.. time without beginning and who never so much as dreamed of
.. reaching the shore of enlightenment, BECOME THE THUS COME
.. ONES WHO ARE ORIGINALLY ENLIGHTENED AND ENDOWED WITH THE
.. THREE BODIES.

And that means through the revelation (hearing the daimoku, chanting it) of the Lotus Sutra itself, we common people become the Thus Come Ones (plural,) not through some Bodhisattva path. We perform as Bodhisattvas, BECAUSE WE HAVE ATTAINED BUDDHAHOOD THROUGH CHANTING NAM_MYOHO_RENGE_KYO TO THE GOHONZON.

From "The One Essential Phrase," WND I, p. 922:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/121#para-1
.. SINCE THE LOTUS SUTRA DEFINES OUR BODY AS THE DHARMA BODY
.. OF A THUS COME ONE, OUR MIND AS THE REWARD BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, AND OUR ACTIONS AS THE MANIFESTED BODY OF A THUS
.. COME ONE, ALL WHO UPHOLD AND BELIEVE IN EVEN A SINGLE
.. PHRASE OR VERSE OF THIS SUTRA WILL BE ENDOWED WITH THE
.. BENEFITS OF THESE THREE BODIES. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is only
.. one phrase or verse, but it is no ordinary phrase, for it
.. is the essence of the entire sutra. YOU ASKED WHETHER ONE
.. CAN ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD ONLY BY CHANTING NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO,
.. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL. THIS IS THE
.. HEART OF THE ENTIRE SUTRA AND THE SUBSTANCE OF ITS EIGHT
.. VOLUMES.

Just by chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, we can attain Buddhahood. He doesn't say how long we have to chant, because it happens immediately.

From "The Entity of the Mystic Law," WND I, p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-29
.. IN ESSENCE, THE ENTITY OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS THE PHYSICAL
.. BODY THAT THE DISCIPLES AND FOLLOWERS OF NICHIREN WHO
.. BELIEVE IN THE LOTUS SUTRA RECEIVED FROM THEIR FATHERS AND
.. MOTHERS AT BIRTH. Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD
.. EXPEDIENT MEANS, PUT FAITH IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ALONE, AND
.. CHANT NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, WILL TRANSFORM THE THREE PATHS
.. OF EARTHLY DESIRES, KARMA, AND SUFFERING INTO THE THREE
.. VIRTUES OF THE DHARMA BODY, WISDOM, AND EMANCIPATION. The
.. threefold contemplation and the three truths will
.. immediately become manifest in their minds, and the place
.. where they live will become the Land of Eternally Tranquil
.. Light. The Buddha who is the entity of Myoho-renge-kyo, of
.. the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching, who is
.. both inhabiting subject and inhabited realm, life and
.. environment, body and mind, entity and function, THE BUDDHA
.. ETERNALLY ENDOWED WITH THE THREE BODIES—HE IS TO BE FOUND
.. IN THE DISCIPLES AND LAY BELIEVERS OF NICHIREN.

Notice the qualifying phrase:

"Such persons, WHO HONESTLY DISCARD EXPEDIENT MEANS, put faith in the Lotus Sutra alone, and chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, will transform the three paths of earthly desires, karma, and suffering into the three virtues of the Dharma body, wisdom, and emancipation."

You have to "honestly discard expediant means" to gain the benefits of the three bodies: you can't worship statues, practice the four dictums (Zen, Nembutsu, Tantric/True Word, Shakyamuni's provisional precepts), join with Shinto, or chant to pirated printouts of Gohonzon stolen by traitorous, thieving, murderous priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping Shinto cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of God Almighty, which he would have rejected as utterly narcissistic. That slander of complicity cancels your benefits of the three bodies.

From "The Doctrine of Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life," WND II, p. 87:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/180#para-43
.. THIS MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS A TERM DESIGNATING THE ESSENTIAL
.. NATURE OF OUR MINDS, OR, MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE
.. ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THE MINDS OF ALL LIVING BEINGS, THE
.. EIGHT-PETALED WHITE LOTUS BLOSSOM. THE WORDS OF THE BUDDHA
.. HIMSELF TEACH US THIS. From time without beginning until
.. the present, these bodies of ours have transmigrated
.. through the realm of birth and death, in a state of
.. delusion as to the essential nature of the mind that is
.. within these bodies. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED THE
.. LOTUS SUTRA AND CHANT THE DAIMOKU THAT REPRESENTS THE THUS
.. COME ONE OF ORIGINAL ENLIGHTENMENT, WHO POSSESSES THE THREE
.. BODIES IN A SINGLE BODY, THE THUS COME ONE BECOMES
.. MANIFEST. In our present existence we achieve the inner
.. realization and attainment of Buddhahood that is known as
.. the attainment of Buddhahood in our present form.

Once again, he states it clearly and without any amount of chanting or time passage: our Buddhahood "becomes manifest" at the point when we "have encountered the Lotus Sutra and chanted the daimoku."

You have always been and will always be the true Buddha: to be a living being is to be the true Buddha.

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren's writings are clear Noel - starting with "Securing the Peace of the Land by Propagating the True Teaching". Did you miss Nichiren's emphasis on " abandoning Shakyamuni " as the major error of the 8 schools of Buddhism in his time ? This is a treatise , written in Classical Chinese-- when did you last read it?

Very sketchy of you to continue demeaning my comprehension of Nichiren's teachings when you do clearly dismiss what Nichiren has stated in great detail .

~ Katie

[Noel]

Your the one who has dismissed Nichiren's goshos. Look at all the gosho's Chass has made available for you to reference but you continually ignore them and insist that Shakyamuni lives forever as the only Buddha in the universe

[Chas.]

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 9:32:46 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I just asked you to provide your own info regarding coherence of your Gosho passage , in terms of what you consider the teaching you are gleaning from it. The task for you is to explain how what you are quoting supports or is supported by the 10 Major writings. I am also asking you to explain the relevance of what you are calling a " teaching " from the Gosho with a thousand plus passages identifying Shakyamuni as the true Buddha and the relevance of your proffered teaching " to Nichiren's documentation of his life as Shakyamuni's disciple , the foremost votary of the Lotus Sutra.
>
> Can you validate the passages you quoted in proper context ? Or is this an " odd duck" passage ?
>
> ~Katie

There were 14 different Gosho quotes just in that last section (which obviously you didn't read,)

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/1fUX4H4ZIaw/a2EK_wb_CAAJ

were they all "odd duck" or faked passages? I believe the point you are driving home is that the Gosho is faked, from Nichiren Daishonin, who is a fake. And that only statues of Shakyamuni the Hindu/Shinto Almighty God replacing Brahma/Vishnu, are to be trusted, and we must subjugate ourselves in complete prostration to your new God, like a Catholic monk or nun.

You are a lying distorter of Buddhism, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Lots of name calling - no action on the work required to make a coherent argument -

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Copy:paste squawk. Repeat.

The arbn Boy Band , "Blind Parrots "😄

~Katie

[Noel]

You really are pathetic Katie if you were serious you would do your best to answer Chass but I can see that you are not genuine but a person of little substance and how inept you are

> I just asked you to provide your own info regarding coherence of your Gosho passage, in terms of what you consider the teaching you are gleaning from it.

[Chas.]

That is illogical, like most of your statements, on its face. Two parrots would parrot nothing, one has to be a speaker and the other to parrot what he says. This is in fact incorrect in this case, but I wanted to lay bare your lack of proper logical thinking, and in this case, even counting.

So far, you have cast aspersions upon all the Gosho and much of the Lotus Sutra that says things you don't agree with, and you are unwilling to focus your slander of both in any way shape or form.

The exception is that you have identified (1) the Gosho letter "The True Aspect of All Phenomena," and (2) "The Record of Orally Transmitted Teachings" or Ongi Kuden as entirely faked, yes? Am I correctly recording your views for posterity?

If so, then if you do NOT identify further Gosho letters and writings as faked, I can freely assume that they are all legit, from your point of view, yes?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Noel, you, yourself should be interested in how the select passages you base "your views" of Nichiren's teachings on "correlate" with Nichiren's Major treatises and possibly come to terms with the emphasis Nichiren placed on Shakyamuni Buddha. but you aren't into "that kind " of study, and apparently you have not done much research on the translation issues ---but you want me to discuss what you and Chas copy and paste here? Do either of you know what was added, deleted or otherwise changed in "translation" of ANY of the passages you cite? No. But, I am pathetic?

You and Chas are complacent and lazy-- and have the nerve to insult me for asking that you put forth some effort in establishing you "case"-- You will find the same repeated rhetoric from Chas here on arbn for the past 20 years and you must be his most ardent competitor.

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Site for gosho in japanese with pics and dictionaries:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/saikakudoppo/archives/cat_50023174.html

Even Noel can learn to distinguish real from phony balony -/without depending on his Japanese speaking wife?

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Then I can freely assume that you consider the rest of the Gosho as non-fake. When you use the phrase "disputed Goshos" in the future, you will be called upon in each case to identify which ones you mean on the spot. If you refuse to answer in the case of specific Goshos, where there will be a small list, we will make assumptions based upon that list.

You will be called out in every single case when you and your Nichiren Shu puppeteers sling your mud on the Gosho.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Oooooooo🙀‼️

Called out by ignorant hobos😁

[Noel]

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:49:00 PM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Oooooooo🙀‼️
>
> Called out by ignorant hobos😁

You're the ignoramus here Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Interesting the way you hobos partner up to issue your demands and non- Buddhist pronouncements -/like a tag team of heretical slanderers 😬

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Unsubstantiated lies about the verity of the entire Gosho and the Lotus Sutra, slinging mud at the true teachings is a grave offense indeed, Katie Higgins.

-Chas.

[Noel]

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:04:12 AM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Interesting the way you hobos partner up to issue your demands and non- Buddhist pronouncements -/like a tag team of heretical slanderers 😬
>
> ~ Katie

Of matters of great concern where you have crossed the line by trying to undermine Nichiren's and Shakyamuni's teachings those of clear conscience have a duty not to remain silent

[Katie Higgins]

Concscience? Based on adherence to shabby translations and FAKE documents, you are all about EGO, poorly studied and wrong-headed-- thin skinned and outright nasty--

I wonder why you assume you can issue demands and make pronouncements ? IS this what you have "attained"-?--- Does your wife jump when you bark?

~Katie

[Noel]

Your lucky that you are not my wife and I'm lucky that I'm not your husband.Why are always bringing my wife into it, you must be jealous

[Katie Higgins]

You brought your wife into multiple discussions on Eagke Peak - flaunting her " knowledge "- funny, you are the one who seemed to be suggesting her being Japanese gave credence to your self professed understanding of Nichiren's teachings .

I wonder if you even have a wife-- or anyone who tolerates your "Little Lord Fauntleroy" attitudes 😁

~ Katie

[Noel]

Your poor husband having to endure a shrew like you "Better to live on the corner of a roof than to share a house with a nagging wife."

[Katie Higgins]

Sharing a text I received recently from my husband , Kevin :

>>Yes, you sure do. The state of my faith right now is all from you. At the end of Gongyo I always thank the Buddha, Nichiren and you. I mean it.<<

And

>>I owe you a great deal for pointing me to correct faith and practice. I am sorry for causes I made in support of SGI. That's it. I take it from here.<<

Can't copy / paste screen shots of these messages -/ but of course they are saved in my iPhone with a great many texts from readers directed here by me--

I am still astounded at the changes in my husband since he cut off ties with SGI and began to practice correct faith -/ thank you for your interest in my marriage & family 😊

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Clearly, you really do hate Nichiren Daishonin and his function as the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, that much, and sincerely desire to replace him with your false God fashioned from Shakyamuni's image.

Shakyamuni DID NOT GIVE US Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to chant, the Gohonzon to chant it to, the Gosho to study, the practice of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, appear as Jogyo/Superior Practices to lead us, or give us his sincere followers Nikko Shonin and Nichimoku Shonin to secure his legacy as the Fuji School.

Shakyamuni did none of that. He is the Lord of Teachings, and for that I am eternally grateful. But in the Latter Day of the Law, Nichiren Daishonin is the Lord of Practice and following him we can accomplish the great desire for Kosen Rufu, the widespread propagation of the Law into the world.

Your motivation to undermine Nichiren Daishonin's function and replace him with idol-worship of the the Buddha of another day arises directly from Tenji-Ma and you will come to see this, hopefully not too late, but others must be warned in the meantime not to travel that dark road straight into hell with you.

-Chas.

[Noel]

I can understand profound positive changes from breaking with the SGI but I question that any good will come out of an incorrect faith that you have that will damage your poor family and yes I am interested in them out of concern for their welfare

[Chas.]

To make it perfectly clear once more, Noel, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

"Can Noel's Wife Translate?"

Answer : NO ‼️

You don't know what you are refuting , buddy - anymore than you have any insight into my faith and the welfare of my family .

What becomes so plain with you " common mortal true buddhas " is your insufferable intrusion into the personal and professional lives of others for the sole purpose of making some negative asssrssmemt . This is Gakkai strategy , which is fortunately becoming the early warming sign for many to leave them strictly alone -

It's good to see you displaying what lies beneath those cunning wearers of " robes of virtue "- its good to show you aren't following Nichiren - which is s hopeful message for those who would otherwise discard the practice along with the unsavory busy bodies who marketed it to them .

~Katie

[Noel]

You are like a fire ant laughing at the sun, when I compare her depth of understanding to your misunderstanding of Nichiren Buddhism. Sometimes I show her your translation material and it never ceases to draw a smile, shake of the head and a laugh from her and from me when I see how way off the mark you are. Sorry but you've become a bit of a joke around here but thanks for the entertainment keep it coming HAHA we'll both end up in stitches from laughter if you keep up your comedy show

[Katie Higgins]

Sure , Noel , laughing is proof either if you can translate , much less understand Nichiren's writings. Right.

Idiots laugh, Noel - wise people can demonstrate their skill, and openly share their sources .

~Katie