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Chas.
Aug 17, 2017, 2:27:20 PM8/17/17
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Katie Higgins' offences against the true aspect of all phenomena +
Katie, you make yourself an enemy of the Lotus Sutra by slandering the true aspect via your worship of statues. The true aspect is clearly referring to Myoho-Renge, not statues or images of Shakyamuni, as is stated in the bolded part below.
From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", WND I, p. 423:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-46
... Question: If so, then what passage contains a full
... elucidation of the entity?
...
... Answer: The passage in the “Expedient Means” chapter that
... deals with the true aspect of all phenomena.
...
... Question: How do we know that this passage deals with the
... lotus that is the entity?
...
... Answer: Because T’ien-t’ai and Miao-lo quote this passage
... when they explain the essence of the Lotus Sutra. And the
... Great Teacher Dengyō in his commentary also writes,
... “QUESTION: WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE LOTUS SUTRA? ANSWER:
... ITS ESSENCE IS THE TRUE ASPECT OF ALL PHENOMENA.” THIS
... PASSAGE OF COMMENTARY CLARIFIES THE MATTER. (SCHOLARS OF
... THE TIME KEPT THIS COMMENTARY SECRET AND DID NOT REVEAL THE
... NAME OF THE ENTITY, BUT THE PASSAGE IS CLEARLY REFERRING TO
... MYOHO-RENGE.)
...
... Furthermore, actual evidence of the entity is to be found
... in the examples of the three kinds of Buddhas described in
... the “Treasure Tower” chapter, the bodhisattvas who appeared
... from the earth, and the dragon king’s daughter who attained
... Buddhahood in her present form. The Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth offer actual evidence because, as a passage of the
... Lotus Sutra says, “[They are unsoiled by worldly things]
... like the lotus flower in the water.” Thus we learn of the
... true entity of these bodhisattvas. And the dragon king’s
... daughter offers actual evidence because she made her
... appearance at the gathering at Eagle Peak, “seated on a
... thousand-petaled lotus blossom big as a carriage wheel.”
...
... Moreover, the thirty-four manifestations of Bodhisattva
... Wonderful Sound and the thirty-three manifestations of
... Bodhisattva Perceiver of the World’s Sounds constitute
... further evidence. For, as the commentary says, “If he had
... not gained the mysterious power of perfect freedom of
... action through the meditation based on the Lotus Sutra,
... then how could he manifest these thirty-three different
... forms?”
...
... In addition, there is the sutra passage that states, “...
... the characteristics of the world are constantly abiding.”
... All these passages are documentary proofs cited by the
... scholars of our time. Personally, however, I prefer to cite
... the passage in the “Expedient Means” chapter on the true
... aspect of all phenomena and the passage in the
... “Supernatural Powers” chapter that refers to “all the
... doctrines possessed by the Thus Come One.” This last
... passage is also cited by the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai in
... his commentary explaining the five major principles of the
... Lotus Sutra. Therefore, I feel that this passage in
... particular can be cited as certain proof of the entity of
... the Mystic Law.
As I made clear earlier from this passage of the "Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13, which is preached during the first chapter of the Lotus Sutra and is concurrent with it and not previous to the Lotus Sutra, and which is in no way provisional or to be discarded in any way. In fact the Lotus Sutra and the Gosho reference the true aspect, and without this definition, THEY WOULD BE INCOMPLETE!
Here's the quote that destroys all your statue worshiping, I have highlighted the key phrase so that you cannot miss it (although I fear your mind cannot read it):
"Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13,
. “When bodhisattvas have in this manner observed the
. beginning and end of these four aspects and have understood
. them in their entirety, then they will clearly perceive
. that all phenomena, never abiding from one instant to
. the next, are constantly being born anew and passing into
. extinction, and then they will immediately perceive the
. true aspect of birth, abiding, change, and extinction.
.
. “Once they have gained this perception, then they must turn
. to the capacities, natures, and desires of living beings.
. Because such natures and desires are immeasurable in
. variety, the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable;
. and because the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable,
. its meanings are likewise immeasurable. THESE IMMEASURABLE
. MEANINGS ARE BORN FROM A SINGLE LAW, AND THIS LAW IS
. WITHOUT ASPECT. WHAT IS WITHOUT ASPECT IS DEVOID OF ASPECT
. AND DOES NOT TAKE ON ASPECT. NOT TAKING ON ASPECT, BEING
. WITHOUT ASPECT, IT IS CALLED THE TRUE ASPECT.
.
. “When bodhisattvas mahasattva rest and abide in this
. understanding of the true aspect of all phenomena, then the
. pity and compassion that they put forth will be based on
. clear understanding and not groundless, and they will be
. truly capable of rescuing living beings from the sufferings
. that they undergo. And once they have rescued them from
. suffering, they will preach the Law for them and enable
. living beings to enjoy ease and delight.
Santai or the Three Truths can only be found in the Lotus Sutra, this is one of the glories of the Lotus Sutra. "The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way." from the SGI Dictionary:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/T/183
The images of human beings are the images of their Temporary Existence alone, their impermanence.
I am impermanent and will vanish from the world, this is my destiny from birth: to be born is to die, that is the guarantee of the four sufferings. Birth, aging, sickness and death.
And yet, like an electron that has a particle and a wave function, I am also Non-Substantial and that was true before my birth, during my aging, sickness and after my death. In fact I am dying now, cells that were crucial to my function ar born and then die all the time. I am also like a wave.
In all those phases of my life I am in the Middle Way, the unification of the Three Truths.
Images of living beings are images of impermanence alone, and like "the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths," (from the definition of Santai) ... they do not possess the "true aspect."
The highest object of worship, the Gohonzon possesses the "true aspect" in the fact that it is an arrangement of characters and does not look like you or me or anyone you know. This is how it can reflect ALL THE LIVING BEINGS, not just here, but everywhere that life has or will develop in the ten directions and the three existences of past, present and future.
All living being possess the true aspect and they are all Buddhas, like the characters of an enormous version of the Lotus Sutra. However, not even the images of the Lord of Teachings, Shakyamuni or the Lord of Practice, Nichiren Daishonin reflect anything other than impermanence.
Only the Gohonzon reflects the true aspect. It is the highest object of worship and all others are pitiful in their aspect, by comparison: why would anyone chant the daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to any other object of worship?
How dishonorable!
-Chas.
In a quote from "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man" - Writings of Nichiren Daishonin p.108 ...
"Is not one who fails to heed the warnings of this sutra in effect cutting off the tongues of the Buddhas and deceiving the worthies and sages? This offense is truly fearful. Thus, in the second volume it says, 'If a person fails to have faith but instead slanders this sutra, immediately he will destroy all the seeds for becoming a Buddha in this world.' The meaning of this passage is that, if one turns one's back on even one verse or one phrase of this sutra, one is guilty of a crime equal to that of killing all the Buddhas of the ten directions in the three existences of past, present, and future."
Katie, you make yourself an enemy of the Lotus Sutra by slandering the true aspect via your worship of statues. The true aspect is clearly referring to Myoho-Renge, not statues or images of Shakyamuni, as is stated in the bolded part below.
From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", WND I, p. 423:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-46
... Question: If so, then what passage contains a full
... elucidation of the entity?
...
... Answer: The passage in the “Expedient Means” chapter that
... deals with the true aspect of all phenomena.
...
... Question: How do we know that this passage deals with the
... lotus that is the entity?
...
... Answer: Because T’ien-t’ai and Miao-lo quote this passage
... when they explain the essence of the Lotus Sutra. And the
... Great Teacher Dengyō in his commentary also writes,
... “QUESTION: WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE LOTUS SUTRA? ANSWER:
... ITS ESSENCE IS THE TRUE ASPECT OF ALL PHENOMENA.” THIS
... PASSAGE OF COMMENTARY CLARIFIES THE MATTER. (SCHOLARS OF
... THE TIME KEPT THIS COMMENTARY SECRET AND DID NOT REVEAL THE
... NAME OF THE ENTITY, BUT THE PASSAGE IS CLEARLY REFERRING TO
... MYOHO-RENGE.)
...
... Furthermore, actual evidence of the entity is to be found
... in the examples of the three kinds of Buddhas described in
... the “Treasure Tower” chapter, the bodhisattvas who appeared
... from the earth, and the dragon king’s daughter who attained
... Buddhahood in her present form. The Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth offer actual evidence because, as a passage of the
... Lotus Sutra says, “[They are unsoiled by worldly things]
... like the lotus flower in the water.” Thus we learn of the
... true entity of these bodhisattvas. And the dragon king’s
... daughter offers actual evidence because she made her
... appearance at the gathering at Eagle Peak, “seated on a
... thousand-petaled lotus blossom big as a carriage wheel.”
...
... Moreover, the thirty-four manifestations of Bodhisattva
... Wonderful Sound and the thirty-three manifestations of
... Bodhisattva Perceiver of the World’s Sounds constitute
... further evidence. For, as the commentary says, “If he had
... not gained the mysterious power of perfect freedom of
... action through the meditation based on the Lotus Sutra,
... then how could he manifest these thirty-three different
... forms?”
...
... In addition, there is the sutra passage that states, “...
... the characteristics of the world are constantly abiding.”
... All these passages are documentary proofs cited by the
... scholars of our time. Personally, however, I prefer to cite
... the passage in the “Expedient Means” chapter on the true
... aspect of all phenomena and the passage in the
... “Supernatural Powers” chapter that refers to “all the
... doctrines possessed by the Thus Come One.” This last
... passage is also cited by the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai in
... his commentary explaining the five major principles of the
... Lotus Sutra. Therefore, I feel that this passage in
... particular can be cited as certain proof of the entity of
... the Mystic Law.
As I made clear earlier from this passage of the "Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13, which is preached during the first chapter of the Lotus Sutra and is concurrent with it and not previous to the Lotus Sutra, and which is in no way provisional or to be discarded in any way. In fact the Lotus Sutra and the Gosho reference the true aspect, and without this definition, THEY WOULD BE INCOMPLETE!
Here's the quote that destroys all your statue worshiping, I have highlighted the key phrase so that you cannot miss it (although I fear your mind cannot read it):
"Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13,
. “When bodhisattvas have in this manner observed the
. beginning and end of these four aspects and have understood
. them in their entirety, then they will clearly perceive
. that all phenomena, never abiding from one instant to
. the next, are constantly being born anew and passing into
. extinction, and then they will immediately perceive the
. true aspect of birth, abiding, change, and extinction.
.
. “Once they have gained this perception, then they must turn
. to the capacities, natures, and desires of living beings.
. Because such natures and desires are immeasurable in
. variety, the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable;
. and because the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable,
. its meanings are likewise immeasurable. THESE IMMEASURABLE
. MEANINGS ARE BORN FROM A SINGLE LAW, AND THIS LAW IS
. WITHOUT ASPECT. WHAT IS WITHOUT ASPECT IS DEVOID OF ASPECT
. AND DOES NOT TAKE ON ASPECT. NOT TAKING ON ASPECT, BEING
. WITHOUT ASPECT, IT IS CALLED THE TRUE ASPECT.
.
. “When bodhisattvas mahasattva rest and abide in this
. understanding of the true aspect of all phenomena, then the
. pity and compassion that they put forth will be based on
. clear understanding and not groundless, and they will be
. truly capable of rescuing living beings from the sufferings
. that they undergo. And once they have rescued them from
. suffering, they will preach the Law for them and enable
. living beings to enjoy ease and delight.
Santai or the Three Truths can only be found in the Lotus Sutra, this is one of the glories of the Lotus Sutra. "The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way." from the SGI Dictionary:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/T/183
The images of human beings are the images of their Temporary Existence alone, their impermanence.
I am impermanent and will vanish from the world, this is my destiny from birth: to be born is to die, that is the guarantee of the four sufferings. Birth, aging, sickness and death.
And yet, like an electron that has a particle and a wave function, I am also Non-Substantial and that was true before my birth, during my aging, sickness and after my death. In fact I am dying now, cells that were crucial to my function ar born and then die all the time. I am also like a wave.
In all those phases of my life I am in the Middle Way, the unification of the Three Truths.
Images of living beings are images of impermanence alone, and like "the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths," (from the definition of Santai) ... they do not possess the "true aspect."
The highest object of worship, the Gohonzon possesses the "true aspect" in the fact that it is an arrangement of characters and does not look like you or me or anyone you know. This is how it can reflect ALL THE LIVING BEINGS, not just here, but everywhere that life has or will develop in the ten directions and the three existences of past, present and future.
All living being possess the true aspect and they are all Buddhas, like the characters of an enormous version of the Lotus Sutra. However, not even the images of the Lord of Teachings, Shakyamuni or the Lord of Practice, Nichiren Daishonin reflect anything other than impermanence.
Only the Gohonzon reflects the true aspect. It is the highest object of worship and all others are pitiful in their aspect, by comparison: why would anyone chant the daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to any other object of worship?
How dishonorable!
-Chas.
In a quote from "Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man" - Writings of Nichiren Daishonin p.108 ...
"Is not one who fails to heed the warnings of this sutra in effect cutting off the tongues of the Buddhas and deceiving the worthies and sages? This offense is truly fearful. Thus, in the second volume it says, 'If a person fails to have faith but instead slanders this sutra, immediately he will destroy all the seeds for becoming a Buddha in this world.' The meaning of this passage is that, if one turns one's back on even one verse or one phrase of this sutra, one is guilty of a crime equal to that of killing all the Buddhas of the ten directions in the three existences of past, present, and future."
Katie Higgins
Aug 19, 2017, 11:21:51 AM8/19/17
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Sorry if it offends you Chas, that you cling to a forged Gosho - or maybe it offends that anyone interested in full explanations of the classification of Nichiren's writings can research the matter for themselves ?
Your skin is as thin as your knowledge of Nichiren !!
~ Katie
Your skin is as thin as your knowledge of Nichiren !!
~ Katie
Noel
Aug 19, 2017, 6:20:26 PM8/19/17
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Chas.
Aug 20, 2017, 3:40:07 AM8/20/17
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1. The Ongi Kuden
2. The True Aspect of All Phenomena
3. The Entity of the Mystic Law
I also quoted the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, are you declaring that to be "forged", too?
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Aug 20, 2017, 7:00:45 AM8/20/17
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Nichiren recited the Lotus Sutra to embody the Buddha's golden words . Nichiren taught reverence for Shakyamuni, the true Buddha.
You are way off course, Chas --/ you lack the most basic and fundamental orientation to Nichiren's teachings - his own example - .
~ Katie
You are way off course, Chas --/ you lack the most basic and fundamental orientation to Nichiren's teachings - his own example - .
~ Katie
Chas.
Aug 20, 2017, 1:51:53 PM8/20/17
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This for you as well, Katie Higgins..
In response to Mark Rogow's weak and corrupted arguments:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/1fUX4H4ZIaw/hwfPlTmaBwAJ
Here's some Lotus Sutra for you to consider, Mark Rogow, in your utter defeat.
You say that Shakyamuni alone is the Tathagata, the only Thus Come One, and everyone else should prostrate themselves and kiss the feet of his statues as if he were God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and no one else is a Buddha. However, this is utterly incorrect.
When Shakyamuni preaches the Lotus Sutra, he is speaking for the soul of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo that exists in all living beings, but he is not the only one that preaches thus. In the Lotus Sutra he predicts future Buddhas from his followers and even from Devadatta. They will all become Thus Come Ones and that means they will all preach the Lotus Sutra as he did.
In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:
The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
... "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
... hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
... all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
... place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
... thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
... alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
... arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
... to the ground.
He and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:
From the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
... “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
... the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
... attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
... ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
... immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
... of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
... of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
... region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
... Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
... southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
... Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
... one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
... Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
... Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
... are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
... other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
... buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
... Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
... Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
... one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
... King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
... named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
... SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
... SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
Presumably, when each preached the Lotus Sutra, each in turn spoke for the entity of the Mystic Law welling up from within their lives. Each in turn said, "I [name goes here] tell all creatures that I [name goes here] exist forever in this world."
Presumably, none of them had the job of declaring what is the [name goes here]. That is the job of some one who comes sometime later as Bodhisattva Jogyo who says that "the actual name of the entity" was/is/will be "Myoho-Renge."
I presume that having been thus in this world, it is thus in those "other lands".
My presumptions might be wrong, but AT LEAST THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE ACTUAL WORDS DESCRIBING THE TRUE REALITY IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI, HIMSELF, AND NOT IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THE GOLDEN WORDS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, AS YOUR DISTORTIONS OF BUDDHISM ARE.
-Chas.
In response to Mark Rogow's weak and corrupted arguments:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/1fUX4H4ZIaw/hwfPlTmaBwAJ
Here's some Lotus Sutra for you to consider, Mark Rogow, in your utter defeat.
You say that Shakyamuni alone is the Tathagata, the only Thus Come One, and everyone else should prostrate themselves and kiss the feet of his statues as if he were God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and no one else is a Buddha. However, this is utterly incorrect.
When Shakyamuni preaches the Lotus Sutra, he is speaking for the soul of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo that exists in all living beings, but he is not the only one that preaches thus. In the Lotus Sutra he predicts future Buddhas from his followers and even from Devadatta. They will all become Thus Come Ones and that means they will all preach the Lotus Sutra as he did.
In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:
The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35
... "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
... hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
... all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
... place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
... thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
... alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
... arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
... to the ground.
He and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands:
From the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282
... “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
... the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
... attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
... ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
... immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
... of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
... of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
... region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
... Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
... southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
... Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
... one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
... Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
... Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
... are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
... other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
... buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
... Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
... Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
... one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
... King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
... named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
... SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
... SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.
Presumably, when each preached the Lotus Sutra, each in turn spoke for the entity of the Mystic Law welling up from within their lives. Each in turn said, "I [name goes here] tell all creatures that I [name goes here] exist forever in this world."
Presumably, none of them had the job of declaring what is the [name goes here]. That is the job of some one who comes sometime later as Bodhisattva Jogyo who says that "the actual name of the entity" was/is/will be "Myoho-Renge."
I presume that having been thus in this world, it is thus in those "other lands".
My presumptions might be wrong, but AT LEAST THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE ACTUAL WORDS DESCRIBING THE TRUE REALITY IN THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF, PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI, HIMSELF, AND NOT IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THE GOLDEN WORDS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA PREACHED BY SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, AS YOUR DISTORTIONS OF BUDDHISM ARE.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Aug 20, 2017, 4:29:46 PM8/20/17
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Cutting to the chase - it'd clear you either do not know of cannot accept the words you recite everyday -/ or maybe not having been taught that you were reciting the exact words of the Sutra Preached by Shakyamuni and embodied by Nichiren , you are just assuming your ignorance is ghe fast lane to personal wish fulfillment? Well, there you go -- a marketing strategy , a sales pitch really isn't introduction to the profound teachings of Nichiren after all !
~ Katie
~ Katie
Chas.
Aug 20, 2017, 11:05:59 PM8/20/17
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On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 1:29:46 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Cutting to the chase - it'd clear you either do not know of cannot accept the words you recite everyday -/ or maybe not having been taught that you were reciting the exact words of the Sutra Preached by Shakyamuni and embodied by Nichiren , you are just assuming your ignorance is ghe fast lane to personal wish fulfillment? Well, there you go -- a marketing strategy , a sales pitch really isn't introduction to the profound teachings of Nichiren after all !
>
> ~ Katie
That was a remarkably confused and obfuscated posting, even from you, Katie. Want to try again?
> Cutting to the chase - it'd clear you either do not know of cannot accept the words you recite everyday -/ or maybe not having been taught that you were reciting the exact words of the Sutra Preached by Shakyamuni and embodied by Nichiren , you are just assuming your ignorance is ghe fast lane to personal wish fulfillment? Well, there you go -- a marketing strategy , a sales pitch really isn't introduction to the profound teachings of Nichiren after all !
>
> ~ Katie
-Chas.
Noel
Aug 21, 2017, 1:42:23 AM8/21/17
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 6:29:46 AM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Cutting to the chase - it'd clear you either do not know of cannot accept the words you recite everyday -/ or maybe not having been taught that you were reciting the exact words of the Sutra Preached by Shakyamuni and embodied by Nichiren , you are just assuming your ignorance is ghe fast lane to personal wish fulfillment? Well, there you go -- a marketing strategy , a sales pitch really isn't introduction to the profound teachings of Nichiren after all !
>
> ~ Katie
Scrambled mind caused by too much slander for far too long
> Cutting to the chase - it'd clear you either do not know of cannot accept the words you recite everyday -/ or maybe not having been taught that you were reciting the exact words of the Sutra Preached by Shakyamuni and embodied by Nichiren , you are just assuming your ignorance is ghe fast lane to personal wish fulfillment? Well, there you go -- a marketing strategy , a sales pitch really isn't introduction to the profound teachings of Nichiren after all !
>
> ~ Katie
Katie Higgins
Aug 21, 2017, 11:13:27 AM8/21/17
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Funny / the path Nichiren lived , is extant in authentic documentation from the beginning to the end-- those who want to follow Nichiren are primarily concerned with his actual words , the Lotus Sutra and the True Buddha, Shakyamuni.
Now , if either of you can produce clear evidence on Nichiren's own words that he :
1) discarded any passage if the Lotus Sutra.
2) Named a Buddha of higher position than Shakyamuni .
3) Stated that he was transmitting his true teachings in some secret obscure manner that would not come to light until 100 plus years after his passing --
IF. You produce such passages and they meet all standards for attributing them to Nichiren, you will have provided some explanation for your disrespect and nasty pronouncements .
Typos in last comment are partially due to iPhone mishaps and also a product of being in the middle of my 6 night shift in a row stretch which comes around every other week !
Meanwhile , I assure you that the evidence of my correct faith and practice continues to be reflected in the work I perform and the life that I lead . Just sayin- your pronouncements and criticisms don't correlate with my actual proof.
~ Katie
Now , if either of you can produce clear evidence on Nichiren's own words that he :
1) discarded any passage if the Lotus Sutra.
2) Named a Buddha of higher position than Shakyamuni .
3) Stated that he was transmitting his true teachings in some secret obscure manner that would not come to light until 100 plus years after his passing --
IF. You produce such passages and they meet all standards for attributing them to Nichiren, you will have provided some explanation for your disrespect and nasty pronouncements .
Typos in last comment are partially due to iPhone mishaps and also a product of being in the middle of my 6 night shift in a row stretch which comes around every other week !
Meanwhile , I assure you that the evidence of my correct faith and practice continues to be reflected in the work I perform and the life that I lead . Just sayin- your pronouncements and criticisms don't correlate with my actual proof.
~ Katie
Chas.
Aug 21, 2017, 12:22:50 PM8/21/17
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1) I have shown you the page where Nichiren Daishonin declares that none of the golden words of the Lotus Sutra are to be discarded, whether in the theoretical first half or the essential second half (read the whole page 978 of WND I):
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/134#para-10
2) And below is where Nichiren Daishonin declares that the actual name of the entity is "Myoho-Renge".
In fact, everywhere in the Gosho Zenshu where he says to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, instead of Nam-Shakuson-Butsu or Nam-Shakamuni-Butsu, is where he declares that the actual name of the entity IS NOT one of the Japanese names Shakuson or Shakamuni.
-From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
.. Question: The Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai has explained that
.. the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
.. meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
.. figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
.. or lotus?
..
.. Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
.. detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
.. enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
.. seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
.. seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
.. is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
.. volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
> follows: "RENGE, OR LOTUS, IS NOT A SYMBOL; IT IS THE
> ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY. For example, at the beginning
.. of the kalpa of continuance, the various things in the
.. world had no names. The sage observed the principles that
.. govern them and on that basis made up names for them." He
.. also writes: "Now the name renge is not intended as a
.. symbol for anything. It is the teaching expounded in the
.. Lotus Sutra. The teaching expounded in the Lotus Sutra is
.. pure and undefiled and explains the subtleties of cause
.. and effect. Therefore, it is called renge, or lotus. This
.. name designates the true entity that the meditation based
.. on the Lotus Sutra reveals, and is not a metaphor or
.. figurative term."
-Note the line, Myoho-Renge is "the actual name of the entity," the Entity of the Mystic Law.
-"The entity" of the Mystic Law, BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, the Buddha of the original state, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.
-However, "the entity" is clearly not named Shakyamuni Buddha NOR Nichiren Daishonin, in spite of their profound roles in manifesting the enlightenement of the Lotus Sutra, preaching the Lotus Sutra and leading the Kosen Rufu endeavour to spread it widely.
-Myoho-Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life. These are real people, who emerge from the impurities of the Saha World and attain enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra alone, and no other practice (in fact, in spite of other grievous slanders of the Law.)
-We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku: when we give voice to the eternal truth of the Law. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.
-Myoho-Renge is always pure and true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or statues manifesting their visage or the aspect of their impermanence: we would not want to repeat their errors.
-One of the errors that neither Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin are known for is the error of the kind of preening arrogance that would be in any way comfortable with being worshiped like a Hindu god, and certainly not as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth in some traditionally deifying sense.
-Shakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin must suffer greatly at the slanders of sincere followers misled by the corrupted priests of Nichiren Shu and the Nikko sects as described at the top quote regarding statue worship of them: being hoisted up and placed in front of the Gohonzon.
3) None of the Gosho Zenshu has ever been secret or obscure, it did, however take some efforts to collect all the letters from all the sources.
-Chas.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/134#para-10
2) And below is where Nichiren Daishonin declares that the actual name of the entity is "Myoho-Renge".
In fact, everywhere in the Gosho Zenshu where he says to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, instead of Nam-Shakuson-Butsu or Nam-Shakamuni-Butsu, is where he declares that the actual name of the entity IS NOT one of the Japanese names Shakuson or Shakamuni.
-From "The Entity of the Mystic Law", p. 420:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/47#para-30
.. Question: The Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai has explained that
.. the term Myoho-renge is used in two different senses, one
.. meaning the entity of Myoho-renge and the other being
.. figurative in meaning. What are these two kinds of renge,
.. or lotus?
..
.. Answer: The figurative renge, or lotus, is explained in
.. detail in the three metaphors of the lotus blossom
.. enfolding the seed, the lotus blossom opening to reveal the
.. seed inside, and the lotus blossom falling and the
.. seed ripening, so one should refer to them. The lotus that
.. is the entity of Myoho-renge is explained in the seventh
.. volume of The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra as
> follows: "RENGE, OR LOTUS, IS NOT A SYMBOL; IT IS THE
> ACTUAL NAME OF THE ENTITY. For example, at the beginning
.. of the kalpa of continuance, the various things in the
.. world had no names. The sage observed the principles that
.. govern them and on that basis made up names for them." He
.. also writes: "Now the name renge is not intended as a
.. symbol for anything. It is the teaching expounded in the
.. Lotus Sutra. The teaching expounded in the Lotus Sutra is
.. pure and undefiled and explains the subtleties of cause
.. and effect. Therefore, it is called renge, or lotus. This
.. name designates the true entity that the meditation based
.. on the Lotus Sutra reveals, and is not a metaphor or
.. figurative term."
-Note the line, Myoho-Renge is "the actual name of the entity," the Entity of the Mystic Law.
-"The entity" of the Mystic Law, BTW, is the original Buddha, the Buddha of Limitless Joy, the Buddha of Beginningless Time, the eternal Buddha, the Buddha of the original state, or the true Buddha: these are all the same.
-However, "the entity" is clearly not named Shakyamuni Buddha NOR Nichiren Daishonin, in spite of their profound roles in manifesting the enlightenement of the Lotus Sutra, preaching the Lotus Sutra and leading the Kosen Rufu endeavour to spread it widely.
-Myoho-Renge is the entity of eternal enlightenment, not named after someone who practiced Brahmanism (Shakyamuni) or Amida Buddhism (Nichiren Daishonin) earlier in their life. These are real people, who emerge from the impurities of the Saha World and attain enlightenment through the Lotus Sutra alone, and no other practice (in fact, in spite of other grievous slanders of the Law.)
-We all manifest Myoho-Renge when we chant the daimoku: when we give voice to the eternal truth of the Law. However, all common mortals are two, but not two, both deluded and enlightened: we are the true Buddha.
-Myoho-Renge is always pure and true, never off the mark from beginning to end. This is why we don't worship human beings or statues manifesting their visage or the aspect of their impermanence: we would not want to repeat their errors.
-One of the errors that neither Shakyamuni nor Nichiren Daishonin are known for is the error of the kind of preening arrogance that would be in any way comfortable with being worshiped like a Hindu god, and certainly not as God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth in some traditionally deifying sense.
-Shakyamuni and Nichiren Daishonin must suffer greatly at the slanders of sincere followers misled by the corrupted priests of Nichiren Shu and the Nikko sects as described at the top quote regarding statue worship of them: being hoisted up and placed in front of the Gohonzon.
3) None of the Gosho Zenshu has ever been secret or obscure, it did, however take some efforts to collect all the letters from all the sources.
-Chas.
Katie Higgins
Aug 21, 2017, 9:26:20 PM8/21/17
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You don't know or believe thr Buddha's words you recite doing Gongyo everyday . Yet you preach here like a sage!
Busted - 🙀
~ Katie
Busted - 🙀
~ Katie
Chas.
Aug 22, 2017, 12:43:25 AM8/22/17
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Perhaps it is your corrupted views that are suspect?
-Chas.
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