How to practice Nichiren Buddhism Independently!

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Hello my Name is Richard H Brown. I have practiced and studied Nichiren Buddhism for the past 35 years. I have assisted in the tracing and development of other practioners and have received intense training in the practice by many faith filled pioneers of Nichiren Buddhism in America. I would like to offer my assistance in your practice of Nichiren Buddhism so that you may experience the absolute joy of the Law of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo, which is your life itself! You my friends are "Thus Come Ones" or as we profess "Buddha!

To start your own personal journey of faith I would like to offer you the Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo which you can download here:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/b8/38/91b838ef678a9696b3763ae14f177374.jpg

This is the first step.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Next it is important to research for yourselves and develop an understanding of Nichiren's Teachings and the practice of Nichiren Buddhism.

My suggestions are:
https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=23047

http://nichiren.info/gosho.html

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org

Note: do not join any organization or Sect affiliated with these resources just use their study materials to familiarize your self with Nichiren's Teachings.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Buddhist concepts are important and available within the resources I have provided and as you study Nichiren's Buddhism you can look them up as you go!

Another great resource of Buddhism can be found here:
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=buddhistwebring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egeocities%2Ews%2Fchris_holte%2FBuddhism%2Findex%2D2%2Ehtml

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Nichiren Teaches:

"As a daily religious practice, one should recite the daimoku, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo."

On Reciting the Daimoku of the Lotus Sutra

Here is a debate on my declaration of this truth!

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=23047

This debate will give you an insight to Nichiren's Teachings never before accomplished in this form.

I am very proud of the training in doctrinal study I received while practicing in NSA. This training is to be found. No where within SGI or NST or any other Nichiren School orvIrgsnization today!

As you study this debate if you have any questions please feel free to ask me.

Three important Doctrinal Writings of Nichiren's I feel will help you in your pursuit of The Way are:

Nichiren Teaches:
"As for my teachings, regard those before my exile to Sado as equivalent to the Buddha’s pre-Lotus Sutra teachings."

http://nichiren.info/gosho/LetterMisawa.htm

Nichiren Teaches:
"Question: For practitioners in the Latter Day of the Law, who have just aroused the aspiration for enlightenment, what types of practice are restricted?

Answer: Such persons are restricted from practicing almsgiving, the keeping of the precepts, and the others of the five paramitas, and are directed to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo exclusively. This practice corresponds to the capacity of persons at the stages of "producing even a single moment's faith and understanding" and "rejoicing on first hearing the Lotus Sutra." It represents the true intention of the Lotus Sutra."

http://nichiren.info/gosho/4StagesFaith5StagesPractice.htm

Nichiren Teaches:
"The Jigage section of the chapter states, ‘...single-mindedly desiring to see the Buddha, not hesitating even if it costs them their lives...’ I, Nichiren, have called forth Buddhahood from within my life by living this sentence."

http://nichiren.info/gosho/LetterGijobo.htm

You will definitely have a basis of faith practice and study if you study these Teachings of Nichiren.

Sincerely, Richard H Brown A Votary of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

[JazzIs TvRicky]

I base my practice of Nichiren Buddhism On Nikko Shonin's lineage and truly believe he was Nichiren Daishonin's Foremost Disciple.

This link will introduce you to his history:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikko_Shonin

[JazzIs TvRicky]

This is proof of how the Soka Gakkai's International presence destroys the purport of Nichiren's Buddhism and how gullible the members are!

http://www.hosshakukempon.com/flow-of-events.html

[JazzIs TvRicky]

You may know of the disputes between SGI and NST
and I would like to offer this as a resource which I find quite remarkable.

https://buddhismnichiren.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/reverend-tono-the-background-meaning-content-and-spriit.pdf

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Here is another resource for you to use in the pursuit of Nichiren Daishonin's Teachings!

http://nichiren.info/buddhism/library/

Use only for research do not get caught up in the SGI Cult and get tricked into joining. There is no need to pay for a Gohonzon and buy publications from a Slanderous and Evil made up Soka Religion.

Your Gohonzon is here:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/b8/38/91b838ef678a9696b3763ae14f177374.jpg

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Nichiren Teaches to purposely destroy others Objects of Worship. There is no where in the Teachings of Buddhism where it is taught to do called Respectfully Destroy others Objects of Worship or Burn Nichiren Gohonzons.

Nichiren calls this a Grave Offense and warns against such savage actions!

There are those here who will try to convince you otherwise. The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo should never be disparagile with words like No-honzon etc.

Stay away from those who always post on almost every topic posted. There is no way they could have read what was presented.

You will or already have identified the insincere and foolish pretenders of faith!

[JazzIs TvRicky]

An important aspect and practice in Buddhism is taught to us by Nichiren. This teaching is one of the most important of all.

Nichiren Teaches:

"In this letter, I have written my most important teachings. Grasp their meaning firmly, and make them a part of your life. Believe in the Gohonzon, the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvīpa. Be sure to strengthen your faith, and receive the protection of Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions. Exert yourself in the two ways of practice and study. Without practice and study, there can be no Buddhism. You must not only persevere yourself; you must also teach others. Both practice and study arise from faith. Teach others to the best of your ability, even if it is only a single sentence or phrase. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo."

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-16

How could we not embrace and follow such a wonderful Law such as this! Our fortune to have been born human and meet this wonderful Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is truly amazing 😉

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Another of the fallacies of false and misleading teachings attributed to Buddhism by Sects and Organizations like SGI is the subject of Mentor and Disciples. Nichiren is the Teacher or Mentor of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo and the Teacher of those who practice Nichiren Buddhism. Of course we will meet people who help us us in faith but we are what Buddhism calls Good Friends in Faith👍😊

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Nichiren Teaches:

"But encountering a good friend is the hardest possible thing to do. For this reason, the Buddha likened it to the rarity of a one-eyed turtle finding a floating log with a hollow in it the right size to hold him, or to the difficulty of trying to lower a thread from the Brahmā heaven and pass it through the eye of a needle on the earth.

Moreover, in this evil latter age, evil companions are more numerous than the dust particles that comprise the land, while good friends are fewer than the specks of dirt one can pile on a fingernail."

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/68#para-3

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Like other great religions Buddhism is concerned with good and bad which we must encounter as we live in this world.

Buddhism defines the battle of god and bad as "fundamental darkness" vs "fundamental enlightenment"

Just what dose this mean?

gampon-no-mumyō （元品の無明）: fundamental darkness


gampon-no-hosshō （元品の法性）: fundamental nature of enlightenment

These concepts can be found here:

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/F/242

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/F/242

Study is very important so gather friends who are akin to study and those more comfortable studying in groups and
assist each other as Good Friends👀👀🙏🏼😊

[JazzIs TvRicky]

This concept I find remarkable and filled with common sense.

eshō-funi （依正不二）: oneness of life and its environment.

https://www.nst.org/articles/the-principle-of-the-oneness-of-life/

[JazzIs TvRicky]

One of the common sense concepts not exclusively Buddhist that resonated with me is the concept of creating value in all aspects of our lives. My thoughts are just those words 'creating value' are self explanatory and yet extremely profound!

You will experience what the antithesis to this concept is and it will speak for itself and expose what Bad Friends in Faith are.👀

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Another Buddhist Concept which most altruistic persons embrace and practice is:

jigyō-keta （自行化他）: benefiting oneself and benefiting others; practice for oneself and others

I was fortunate to have met Mother Teresa while working at the Catholic Television Network in the 70's in Chicago. Just her presence emitted a force so powerful it was indeed enlightening!

http://www.nichirenshoshumyoshinji.org/faq/jigyo.php

[JazzIs TvRicky]

I have already suggested this particular Doctrinal Work of Nichiren's but I feel I must put more emphasis on it for it contains teachings which connect with the other Ten Major Writings in a most remarkable way,

isshin daie

And

Myoho Soku
Are very important doctrines of Buddhism in studying the Gosho On The Four Stages of Faith and The Five Stages of Practice you will discover its wonder and connection with A Sage and Unenlightened Man and Choosing the Heart of The Lotus Sutra as well as The Opening of The Eyes and On Reciting The Daimoku of The Lotus Sutra.

What a Journey you have in store! Enjoy your practice of faith and continue Chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo no matter what!

Sincerely, Richard H Brown A Votary of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

[JazzIs TvRicky]

I think the mistake many make is to not understand what Nichiren Teaches in the Gosho Letter to Misawa.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/112

This explains how Nichiren's Teachings are to be studied and their relevance in relation to Provisional and True.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

How in fact, did Nichiren attain Buddhahood!

This is Nichiren on how he practiced and attained 'The Way'... Enlightenment... Buddhahood

Nichiren writes:

"It is written that those who embrace the daimoku of the Lotus Sutra will be protected by Kishimojin and her ten daughters. They will enjoy the happiness of Aizen and the good fortune of Bishamon. Wherever your daughter may frolic or play, no harm will come to her; she will be free from fear like the lion king. Among Kishimojin's ten daughters, the protection of Kodainyo3 is the most profound. But your faith alone will determine all these things. A sword will be useless in the hands of a coward. The mighty sword of the Lotus Sutra must be wielded by one courageous in faith. Then he will be as strong as a demon armed with an iron staff.

I, Nichiren, have inscribed my life in sumi, so believe in the Gohonzon with your whole heart. The Buddha's will is the Lotus Sutra, but the soul of Nichiren is nothing other than Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Miao-lo states in his interpretations, "The revelation of the Buddha's original enlightenment is the heart of the sutra."

http://nichiren.info/gosho/ReplyKyoo.htm

This is the difference between Nichiren and Shakyamuni's Buddhism l, learn it well my friends🙏🏼👀😊

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Nichiren Teaches:

"Faith

"Since Nichiren's disciples, both priests and laymen, believe in the supremacy of the Lotus Sutra, which states, "...honestly discarding the provisional teachings" and "Never accept even a single phrase from other sutras," they can enter the Treasure Tower of the Gohonzon. How reassuring! Make every possible effort for the sake of your next life. The most important thing is to chant only Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and attain enlightenment. All depends on the strength of your faith. To have faith is the basis of Buddhism."

http://nichiren.info/gosho/RealAspectGohonzon.htm

[JazzIs TvRicky]

"The wisdom referred to is the three kinds of wisdom of a single mind. The “door” is the door that enables one to enter into this wisdom. The essence of the three kinds of wisdom of a single mind is Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, and the door is the mind of faith. So the passage in volume two of the Lotus Sutra (chapter three, Simile and Parable) says, “Even you, Shāriputra, / in the case of this sutra / were able to gain entrance through faith alone.” Here “entrance” is the same in meaning as “door.”

[Chas.]

Yeah, right. Just make Ricky your guru, what could go wrong with that?

Be like Ricky. Be a Rickette!

I mean, look at that face, what's not to trust? Get your Fedora and dark glasses and throw on a Zoot suit. Why not?

I'll tell you you why not. Ricky is not well, he is self-possessed and his demons want to possess you, too.

Just don't be that stupid.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Wow! You are taking this much too seriously Chas. I am who I am? A Votary of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.

[Chas.]

Once again, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Read Chas message very carefully folks. No need for me to say anything else, the message reveals the Cult👍🏽

Thank you Chas

[Noel]

Everyone should know by now it's a cult even Chas that won't admit

[JazzIs TvRicky]

It is not easy to realize what you have believed in for decades has left turned on Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism

[Noel]

Its the sought of stuff that creates deep loathing for self and others. Having a Nichiren Gohonzon and reconnecting to the original fundamentals of faith through readings Nichiren's letters would be a great help to alleviate the suffering that has been created by those leaders of SGI who have neglected their duty of care towards their members

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Noel I agree and would like to share with you that NSA had Leaders who were truly dedicated to The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo and practiced the faith wholeheartedly.

Many of them gave us their time without begrudging their lives and I did as well with the members I was responsible for.

The Soka Gakkai was in America truly Buddhism.

At that time I would have given my life for Ikeda, I read every Guidance he wrote and was always with him when he came to America. All the.guidance you read I was with him when he delivered those words.

SGI changed all that. What he did to those who were deep in faith was pitiful and those he replaced them with are negligent in studyvsnd incapabke if raising capable people.

His guidance is impossible to implement in SGI and is mere words never meant to be implemented on the real.

I know what Chas is facing and I will Chant for his happiness and well being.!

Yet I must call him out on his blind faith. Others like Jstie never really had faith in the first place and are really ignorant of Jigyo keta they never really engaged in Districts and the development and training of members. People like that just ciomplain and disrupt those who are truly seeking The WAY!

[Noel]

> Yet I must call him out on his blind faith. Others like Jstie never really had faith in the first place and are really ignorant of Jigyo keta they never really engaged in Districts and the development and training of members. People like that just complain and disrupt those who are truly seeking The WAY!

NSA was like the Titanic all was going fine until it hit the iceberg of negligence which is the Soka Gakkai of today

"Toda taught that propagation was first and foremost an act of compassion. His thoughts are reflected in the following words:

"Those who introduce others to this Buddhism should never forget their act is one of compassion. Propagation is neither religious debate nor a mere means to expand membership. Propagation translates into practicing the compassion of Nichiren Daishonin and allows us to carry on exactly as he did, acting as his representatives. You must never, at any time or under any circumstance, lose sight of this spirit!"

Furthermore, from the standpoint of Buddhist doctrine, Toda stressed the spirit of practice for oneself and others (Jpn: jigyo-keta).

Jigyo means to aim for one's own enlightenment, striving to achieve human revolution through one's daily practice, and keta means to teach the principles of Buddhism to others, enabling them to build a truly happy state of life.

Toda firmly asserted that faith without the altruistic spirit of keta was a self-centered faith withdrawn from the real world.

"Those who practice selfishly and do not bother to teach others are like people who eat delicious cuisine and never bother sharing with others. They will never be exempted from the offense of greedy stinginess.

One can never say that such an individual is a person of compassion. ... [The Life Span chapter of the Lotus Sutra] expresses the desire to somehow enable all living beings to attain the indestructible state of happiness and Buddhahood as soon as possible.

Furthermore, it equally states the desire for oneself to attain Buddhahood. By reciting this sutra, we are in fact praying for shakubuku every day."

(or by reciting Daimoku)

As they grasped the true meaning and spirit of propagation in this way, Soka Gakkai members set out to engage the people around them in dialogue about Buddhism"

http://www.joseitoda.org/president/propagation.html

[Chas.]

Readers will note that Mark Rogow and Katie smear along with what the KGB used to call the "useful idiots" Iain and now Noel and Ricky, while I quote the many history books to make my case against the un-indicted war criminals of Nichiren Shu, initiators and co-perpetrators of the Asian Holocaust against the peoples of the Pacific Rim and especially the Chinese people of Nanking.

These war criminals have never been brought to justice.

It is high time that they are hauled into court, because there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

Justice for the victims of the Rape of Nanking and elsewhere, and prosecution of the war criminals of Nichiren Shu, whose radical militaristic followers and chaplains misled the Japanese people and the royalty into this abomination!

Their distortions of Nichiren Buddhism into Shinto statue worship is the cause, and that distortion continues to be perpetuated by Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and their "useful idiot", Iain.

Their attacks on the SGI are merely a cover for their perpetual guilt over their complicity in war crimes while the founders of the SGI were cornered by Imperial Way Buddhism and their Shinto Talisman supporting the Pacifc War of Imperial State Zen. Mr. Makiguchi and Mr. Toda were ultimately imprisoned in Tokyo until Mr. Makiguchi's death and Mr. Toda's release at the end of the War, while the forces unleashed by Nichiren Shu (and with the complicity of the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) ran rampant over China and the Pacific Rim.

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

and here:

http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html

The Rape of Nanking (1937), also known as the Nanjing Massacre

The Bangka Island Massacre (1942): Slaughter of Australian Army Nurses

The Bataan Death March (1942)

The Sandakan Death March (1945)

Murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track (1942)

Conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels (1937-1945)

Mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo

Murder and cannibalism - captured American pilots

-Chas

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Great resource thread

[Chas.]

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 8:41:25 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> Great resource thread

Once again, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Just do it!

[Chas.]

To make it perfectly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate.

-Chas.

[tanfiel...@gmail.com]

Hi - Thanks for posting all this stuff, wonderful!
Began chanting 4/7/20.
Are there non-sectarian books that you could suggest, as I really don't like reading from phones/laptops?
(I love the sound and vibe of Gongyo, but do not know it).
All good Blessings
Christopher

[Chas.]

"Teacher of Distorting Rhetoric" Ricky REMAINS TO THIS DAY The Laziest Babbling Fraud In Nichiren Buddhism, EVER! +

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:

[snip]

> No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!
>
> As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
>
> The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!
>

[snip]

>
> You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas
>
> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

As pre-Sado Island teachings go, they are illustrative of the supplemental practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chapter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.

Here are the Gosho passages refuting your ignorant rantings. In all of these post-Sado writings Nichiren Daishonin discusses doing gongyo as a filial act in appreciation of the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha who preached it (as the supplementary and not as the primary practice):

In 1275, "Reply to the Lay Priest Soya", WND I, p. 486:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/58#para-0

In 1275, "Letter to Hōren", WND I, p. 513, again on p. 516, again on p. 517, and finally on p. 518:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-74
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-95
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-104
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-105

In 1275, "New Year’s Greeting", WND II, p. 530:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/243#para-1

In 1276, "The Fourteen Slanders", WND I, p. 756:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/92#para-4

In his 1276 autobiography of the Sado history, "The Actions of the Votary of the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 768:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/93#para-25

In 1280, "On Filial and Unfilial Conduct", WND I p. 1033:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/146#para-0

In 1280, "White Horses and White Swans", WND I, p. 1066 second paragraph, and again on the same page, fourth paragraph:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-1
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-3

Finally, at the end of 1280 and less than two years before his death, "Reply to the Mother of Ueno", WND I, p. 1072:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/154#para-0

The fact that you have made destroying Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Gongyo your cause celebre and that second fact that Nichiren Daishonin's own writings utterly refute you over and over, exposes the third fact that YOU, RICKY, ARE UNIQUE AS THE SINGLE LAZIEST BABBLING FRAUDULENT COMMENTATOR ON THE SUBJECT OF NICHIREN DAISHONIN'S PRACTICE OF THE BUDDHISM OF THE LOTUS SUTRA, EVER!

-Chas.
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 10:56:27 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> DAVE your presentations are more than welcome for instance: Nichiren The Buddhist Prophet is a most enlightening work so much valuable information and truly a work capturing Nichiren Daishonin’s Spirit of Faith!
>
> Thank you for taking the time to share and inform those of us who are not intimidated by those who have valuable contributions to the Spread of Nichiren Daishonin’s Teachings
>
> Sincerely Richard

Ricky, your attempts to deflect won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Let's see if you can respond intelligently this time.

-Chas.
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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:27:56 AM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> My position on Gongyo is Nichiren’s Teachings not mine your ignorance of Nichiren’s Teachings are not my fault Chas your lack of capacity in Study is grounded in prejudice and habit!
>
> Gongyo is your Gohonzon not The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Which you and Your Soka Cult now deny as necessary in the practice of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism! How pitiful
>

Actually, as I have demonstrated in detail above:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Your position on Gongyo REQUIRES THAT YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE NICHIREN DAISHONIN"S TEACHINGS.

Your foolishness based solely upon your blatant and blind, willful ignorance is your trademark, Ricky.

-Chas.
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:18:34 PM UTC-8, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> Chas the Gohonzon Burner and Statue Worshippers Guru! Nichiren is not God Chas. Read his teachings and stop with the deification off Shayamuni’s Lotus Sutra!

Now you have REALLY gone around the bend, Ricky. (1) I would be the last person in the world to do the dishonor to ANY HUMAN BEING by deifying them: which to me really means dehumanizing them. There are of course a large number of people who stand against deification of any sort, but I say that I would be the VERY LAST ONE (2) simply because it is in my nature to ignore social pressure of any sort. And that goes all the way back to my childhood. Finally (3) I think you have to be a nice person (the opposite of a hater) to want to make a God out of someone, and I am CLEARLY NOT A NICE PERSON.

Hence your current theorem about me does not pass the initial inspection by any 12-year-old, and what does that say about you?

-Chas.
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-8, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:

[snip]

> I am A Thus Come One!
>
> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

While it is clear from Nichiren Daishonin that the common mortal is the true Buddha, it is also clear from your laziness and utter foolishness that you are not a "Teacher of the Law", nor are you a "Thus Come One" and you are extremely unlikely to become one in this lifetime.

I do, however, predict in a vastly distant future that you will become that kind of great Buddha by virtue of your extremely poison drum relationship with the Lotus Sutra, your absolute hatred of Nichiren Daishonin and his teachings and your animus towards the Kosen Rufu movement in the SGI.

-Chas.
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[Noel]

Fire in the Lotus, Daniel Montgomery takes on a lot but he does it superbly. I was skeptical at first that a book under 300 pages could do an adequate job of covering Buddhism starting with "The Prince of India"(Chapter 1) and ending in "Other Nichiren Groups Abroad"(Chapter 19) and "To Save All the People of the World" (Chapter 20).

My apprehension continued as I detected a pervasive non-scholarly bias in favor of the material. However, I must agree with the previous reviewer who found Montgomery's readability a great alternative to ultra-scholarly Jacqueline Stone's Original Enlightenment and the Transformation of Medieval Japanese Buddhism. Her book is indispensable for an objective understanding of the ideas and currents that shaped Nichiren's Buddhism and the schisms that followed.

Yet, it is Fire that held my interest. I have even gone back and re-read several chapters because Montgomery does such a balanced job of presenting relevant details, texts, controversial angles, and ideological nuances. Consequently, he is able to capture what makes particular teachings, individuals, sects, and organizations attractive to their adherents and problematic to outsiders. Thankfully, he does not refrain from including unpleasant details about nearly everyone, including Nichiren.

I learned quite a bit about the history of Nichiren Daishonin's life and the various schisms that followed upon his death. Montgomery's traversal of lay organizations like Soka Gakkai (formerly NSA in the US), Reiyukai, Rissho Kosei-kai; Hommon Butsuryu-shu, Nichihonzan, Myohoji, and Buddhist School of America were more than just an excellent introduction to these movements.

He really captured the spirit of what made each of these possible and appealing. For some of us who have been familiar only with SGI's version of Buddhist history, this book is both dangerous and enlightening.

Montgomery's presentation of Nikkyo Niwano made me want to run out and join Rissho Kosei-kai and subscribe to Dharma World. My only disappointment has been not being able to find out anything about the author. I eventually tired of doing internet searches and coming up dry

I wanted to find out what kind of academic or educational background or ideological inclination produced a mind able to condense lots of complicated material with flawed material and players so effortlessly.

This book is an indispensable resource for anyone wanting a relatively brief but thorough view of Buddhism from Shakyamuni to Nichiren Buddhism up until 1990."

Noel

[tanfiel...@gmail.com]

Re Noel This looks like a comprehensive read.
I'll give it a go.

Blessings to all

Christopher

[Noel]

Thanks Christopher, glad l could help. Hope you enjoy the book!

Noel

[Noel]

wahzoh
4.0 out of 5 stars An interesting alternative
Reviewed in the United States on March 8, 2004

I had been looking forward to reading this book for some time. It is pretty easy reading, compared with more super-scholarly tomes (I'm thinking J.I. Stone). It has an easy, accessible prose style, and at times almost reads like a novel.

Montgomery takes a non-sectarian approach to Nichiren studies (what a relief!) and discusses first the Buddha Shakyamuni, then the Lotus Sutra itself, then Nichiren's life, and finally some of the sects which have grown up since Nichiren's passing.

His coverage of the SGI and Nichiren Shoshu pre-dates the "divorce"of 1992, and is an interesting "take" on the old NSA. This chapter is entitled "Have a Gohonzon" after the old Gakkai song.

All in all, I would recommend this book to a non-Nichiren beginner as an easy introduction to the history and doctrine of Nichiren Buddhism. I would recommend it to a sectarian believer as a refreshing independent view of how the schools developed.

The version I bought online at Amazon (through a vendor) was only $14, and in paperback. I think the prices being asked online for used copies at this point are way out of line."

Montgomery carefully documents each of the denominations, and he reasons that so many versions exist due to natural tendency in an early religion to engage in fiery bickering as doctrines are contested and scriptures formed, whereas in the later times, of a decaying sect: "The white-hot volcanic eruptions of yesterday are the lifeless subsoil of today." (247) Nichiren had six schools immediately inheriting different interpretations or communal loyalties, and this contention over territory, continuity, and control of the teachings defines then and the centuries since.

Often opposed by the Japanese feudal system and its heirs, today's Nichiren missionaries are freer to promote their energetic message--in Japan, this now involves political campaigns promoting a party representing pacifist, environmental, and humanistic issues in a nation that had fought or co-opted Nichiren's earlier adherents. Elsewhere: "The goal is straightforward: to gain peace for the world and salvation for themselves." (263) The potential lies within the individual to change, however, and this is why, Montgomery shows, the movement's emphasis on one's own conscience and no intermediaries between the believer and the dharma have impelled its often headstrong followers towards strong personalities and self-expression.

The book moves efficiently, but it can be extremely dense in how compacted and intricate can be descriptions of Nichiren's understanding of advanced commentaries on the Lotus Sutra, the core teaching, as well as the multiple and multiplying schools of his followers. It's tough for a uninitiated reader to keep straight Nicho from Nichiko, Niko from Nikko, Nichiren Shu from Nichiren Shoshu. An index, glossary, "how-to" and statistics appendices, and bibliography help. Montgomery keeps control of quite a large amount of data and history and dogma in 300 pages.

This is a work that will please those looking for an introduction that stays unbiased but delves deeply into this movement. "Fire in the Lotus" as of this writing is no longer in print, but it's worth seeking out as a rewarding and balanced introduction to Nichiren's origins and rise as a national and now global phenomenon.

[Noel]

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 11:26:02 AM UTC+10, Noel wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 6:06:27 PM UTC+10, tanfiel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Re Noel This looks like a comprehensive read.
> > I'll give it a go.
> >
> > Blessings to all
> >
> > Christopher
>
>

Manuel Valderrama
5.0 out of 5 stars Superb
Reviewed in the United States on July 10, 2010
In Fire in the Lotus, Daniel Montgomery takes on a lot but he does it superbly. I was skeptical at first that a book under 300 pages could do an adequate job of covering Buddhism starting with "The Prince of India"(Chapter 1) and ending in "Other Nichiren Groups Abroad"(Chapter 19) and "To Save All the People of the World" (Chapter 20). My apprehension continued as I detected a pervasive non-scholarly bias in favor of the material.

However, I must agree with the previous reviewer who found Montgomery's readability a great alternative to ultra-scholarly Jacqueline Stone's Original Enlightenment and the Transformation of Medieval Japanese Buddhism. Her book is indispensable for an objective understanding of the ideas and currents that shaped Nichiren's Buddhism and the schisms that followed. Yet, it is Fire that held my interest.

I have even gone back and re-read several chapters because Montgomery does such a balanced job of presenting relevant details, texts, controversial angles, and ideological nuances.

Consequently, he is able to capture what makes particular teachings, individuals, sects, and organizations attractive to their adherents and problematic to outsiders.

Thankfully, he does not refrain from including unpleasant details about nearly everyone, including Nichiren. I learned quite a bit about the history of Nichiren Daishonin's life and the various schisms that followed upon his death.

Montgomery's traversal of lay organizations like Soka Gakkai (formerly NSA in the US), Reiyukai, Rissho Kosei-kai; Hommon Butsuryu-shu, Nichihonzan, Myohoji, and Buddhist School of America were more than just an excellent introduction to these movements.

He really captured the spirit of what made each of these possible and appealing. For some of us who have been familiar only with SGI's version of Buddhist history, this book is both dangerous and enlightening.

Montgomery's presentation of Nikkyo Niwano made me want to run out and join Rissho Kosei-kai and subscribe to Dharma World. My only disappointment has been not being able to find out anything about the author. I eventually tired of doing internet searches and coming up dry.

I wanted to find out what kind of academic or educational background or ideological inclination produced a mind able to condense lots of complicated material with flawed material and players so effortlessly. This book is an indispensable resource for anyone wanting a relatively brief but thorough view of Buddhism from Shakyamuni to Nichiren Buddhism up until 1990.

[Noel]

Heritage of the Ultimate Law of Life http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/29

"Shakyamuni Buddha who attained enlightenment countless kalpas ago, the Lotus Sutra that leads all people to Buddhahood, and we ordinary human beings are in no way different or separate from one another. To chant Myoho-renge-kyo with this realization is to inherit the ultimate Law of life and death. This is a matter of the utmost importance for Nichiren’s disciples and lay supporters, and this is what it means to embrace the Lotus Sutra; i.e. the Law is transmitted through the scrolls of the Sutra and its words and concepts.

"For one who summons up one’s faith and chants Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with the profound insight that now is the last moment of one’s life, the sutra proclaims: “When the lives of these persons come to an end, they will be received into the hands of a thousand Buddhas, who will free them
from all fear and keep them from falling into the evil paths of existence.”
"My followers are now able to accept and uphold the Lotus Sutra because of the strong ties they formed with it"

The saving grace is that our Buddha nature has the quality of infinite compassion.‎ Benefit is not derived from the "Gohonzon", but rather faith in it as a reflection of the Buddha nature inherent within all human beings. In other words, if that wasn't so, those without Gohonzons would be wasting their time chanting instead of still receiving benefit by chanting NMRK ...
MBB. C.





On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 6:19:46 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . . . .
>
> But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . . .
> _____________________________________________________ . . . .
>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . . .
>
> Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . . . .
>
> One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . . .
>
> From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . . .
> Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . . .
>
> . .. . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS
> . .. . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
> . .. . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?
>
> From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . . .
>
> . .. . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.
>
> From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . . .
> Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . . .
>
> . .. . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY
> . .. . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
> . .. . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.
>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . .
>
> . .. . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages
> . .. . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
> . .. . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
> . .. . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
> . .. . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
> . .. . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
> . .. . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
> . .. . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
> . .. . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
> . .. . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
> . .. . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."
>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . .
>
> . .. . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the
> . .. . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
> . .. . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
> . .. . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
> . .. . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
> . .. . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
>
> Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . . . .
>
> Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . . . .
>
> -Chas. . . . .
> __________________________________________ . . . .
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> >
> > You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . . .
>
> You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . .
>
> It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . . . .
>
> It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . . . .
>
> You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . . . .
>
> -Chas. . . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . . .
> > >
> >
> >
> > They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . . .
> >
> > No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . . .
> >
> > There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . . .
> >
>
> [snip your garbage] . . . .
>
> So, now you are changing your tune? . . . .
>
> It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . .
>
> Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . . .
>
> 1. the fact that it has ten worlds . .. . . . .
>
> or . . . .
>
> 2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin . .. . . . .
>
> Here's your problem: . . . .
>
> A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . .
>
> B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . .
>
> C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . . . .
>
> D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . . . .
>
> Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . . . .
>
> -Chas. . . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .
>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . .
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> > >
> > > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . . .
> > >
> > > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . . . .
> > >
> > > -Chas. . . . .
> >
> >
> > On the Treasure Tower . . . .
> > https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . . .
> > Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . . .
> >
> > Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . . .
> >
> > Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . . .
> >
>
> This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . . . .
>
> To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . . . .
>
> Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . . . .
>
> Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> Wake up, dude! . . . .
>
> -Chas. . . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .

[Noel]

Most SGI members desperately want to believe that all the negative stuff written about the SGI is just plain nonsense, but the problem is, that there's just too much of it - with much of it verifiable!

So far as the Gakkai is concerned, much of this dates back to the late 1960s, seventies and early eighties, pre-dating the current 'known' Priesthood crises by at least some ten years!

The undeniable truth is that by blaming Nikken Shonin for everything, the Gakkai has left themselves wide open to criticism and have few answers for much of the above.

At the time, the internet had been barely dreamed of, let alone envisage this age of connectivity, when lids can easily get blown off such things! The internet is indeed the great "leveller"! The Gakkai is in trouble. There are published books and documents purportedly written by Ikeda ~ that he's barely seen! - MBB.C.


On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 7:31:57 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is;
> >
> > "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…"
> >
> > Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings."
>
> Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight." That's the quote without the "sic!"
>
> It is clear by now to everyone that you consider Nichiren Daishonin to be a lesser Buddha and yourself to be a greater one.

>
> Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . . .
>

> But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . .

> _____________________________________________________ . . .

>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . .
>

> Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . . .
>

> One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . .
>

> From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . .

> Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . .
>

> ... . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS
> ... . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
> ... . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?

>
> From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . .
>

> ... . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.

>
> From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . .

> Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . .
>

> ... . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY
> ... . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
> ... . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . .
>

> ... . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages
> ... . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
> ... . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
> ... . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
> ... . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
> ... . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
> ... . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
> ... . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
> ... . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
> ... . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
> ... . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . .
>

> ... . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the
> ... . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
> ... . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
> ... . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
> ... . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
> ... . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.

>
> Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . . .
>

> Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . . .
>

> -Chas. . . .
> __________________________________________ . . .
>

> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . .
>

> [snip] . . .

>
> >
> > You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . .
>

> You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . .
>

> It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . . .
>

> It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . . .
>

> You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . . .
>

> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .
>

> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . .
> > >
> >
> >

> > They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . .
> >

> > No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . .
> >

> > There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . .
> >
>

> [snip your garbage] . . .
>

> So, now you are changing your tune? . . .
>

> It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . .
>

> Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . .
>

> 1. the fact that it has ten worlds ... . .
>
> or . . .
>
> 2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... . .

>
> Here's your problem: . . .
>

> A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . .
>

> B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . .
>

> C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . . .
>

> D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . . .
>

> Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . . .
>

> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .
>

> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . .

> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . .
>

> [snip] . . .

>
> > >
> > > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . .
> > >

> > > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . . .
> > >

> > > -Chas. . . .

> >
> >
> > On the Treasure Tower . . .

> > https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . .

> > Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . . .
> >
> >
> >

> > Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . .
> >

> > Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . .
> >

> > Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . .
> >
>

> This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . . .
>

> To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . . .
>

> Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . . .
>

> Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . .
>

> [snip] . . .

>
> Wake up, dude! . . .
>

> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .

[Noel]

sokagakkaibuddha’ visavis the Murraysburg Bodhisattva VOW
14 December 2019 ·
'Controversies surrounding the Worldwide conferral of genuine non-sectarian Nichiren Gohonzons from the 'Gohonzon Distribution Network' ... '

A year ago, I posted a notice referencing the worldwide conferral of the 'Gohonzon Distribution Network' Gohonzons, for which I received astonishingly unpleasant responses, notably from NST members;

"Yes The High Priest of Murraysburg Boddhisattva Vow" ~ "We should all bow to his superior doctrine and become his disciples, especially the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu who knows nothing compared to him."

Then the same person pointed out the following comment by Josei Toda;
“The Dai Gohonzon is the only thing we ourselves cannot make, it is Nichiren Daishonins enlightenment and exists nowhere apart from the successive High Priests who are the only ones to receive it.

Therefore the objects of worship issued by Busuryu sect and Minobu sect (and Soka Gakkai Buddha) have absolutely no power, since they are counterfeit they have absolutely no power and are inhabited by the power of devils and should be feared” Josei Toda, Daibyakurenge No 98 p9.

But he should remember Toda only made these comments BECAUSE of all the nonsense that he had been fed by Nichiren Shoshu, at a time when it was completely impossible for him to verify whether or not these facts were true!

Added to which another NST member added;

"You should follow the teachings of your Master Josei Toda."

I replied;

"That's true - but at the same time, the very same Daibyakurenge in May 1970 stated that Ikeda was the new true Buddha even surpassing the Daishonin!*?!

Besides which, Toda was referring to Gohonzons transcribed by other sects ~ not actual Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren ~ there's a big difference!

And despite all that's happened regarding all the controversies surrounding Nichiu Shonin, your 9th. HP, I still believe in the authenticity of the Yashiro Kunisighe Dai-Mandara (Dai-Gohonzon).

But Taiseki-Ji needs to come clean over how they acquired the so-called "Dai-Gohonzon" - meaning that they must release all documents pertaining to Nichiu's time and allow scholarly discussion amongst all Nichiren sects to resolve the impasse!

Indeed, Toda made no mention of the Hokke Shu; the original group from which the "Dai-Gohonzon" actually hails, since he had no reason to doubt the cock 'n' bull story that Nichiren Shoshu told him.

Indeed, the main criteria for inscribing and bestowing a Gohonzon must be the intent and life state of either the person transcribing a Gohonzon, or the intent with which such a Gohonzon is bestowed ~ and in that respect, Nichiren Shoshu badly fails on the grounds that they're bestowing and inscribing Gohonzons based on forged documents, whilst at the same time having badly misrepresented the Yashiro Kunisighe Dai-Mandara by making out that it's the real 1279 Dai-honzon, when it's not ...

Moreover, Ikeda copied both Nittatsu and Nissho's Gohonzons into wood ~ without permission, although there were copyright laws in place preventing him from disseminating these Gohonzons; and indeed, once NST found out, all of them except one, the one in the Hall of the Vow ~ the so-called "Coffin Gohonzon", we're confiscated by NST!

At the time, the Soka Gakkai was a part of Nichiren Shoshu; in other words, the circumstances regarding the 'Gohonzon Distribution Network' bestowal of genuine Nichiren Gohonzons is‎ completely different. I suggest you get in touch with the suppliers of these Gohonzons at either Mt. Minobu or the Fuji School HQ at Honmon-Ji in Kitayama; or Honmon Shoshu in Kamakura; or the Kempon Hokke, as well as many others!

But what I would add is that most of the statements coming from either the SGI or NST regarding Gohonzons are complete hocus pocus. Comments like; " ...are inhabited by the power of devils and should be feared... " are merely reflective of Taiseki-Ji's own Freudian rhetoric about their own Gohonzons!

But in clarifying Toda's statement further, he pointedly referenced objects of worship that had been transcribed and issued by Busuryu and Minobu sects (although this on Toda's part is also incorrect), but not the Fuji school from whence Nichiren's White Lotus Gohonzon stems ~ and neither was he referring to Gohonzons {or copies thereof} that were actually inscribed by Nichiren himself ~ although, after all the nonsense Nichiren Shoshu puts out, as well as the experience of chanting to the Yashiro Kunisighe Dai-Mandara,‎ it's easy to understand how someone like Toda would think that the only person qualified to transcribe Gohonzons, would be the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu. And even if this was true, such a restriction cannot be leveled at Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren himself...




On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:37:13 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. .. ..
>
> But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas .. ..
> _____________________________________________________ .. ..
>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + .. ..
>
> Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. .. ..
>
> One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: .. ..
>
> From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus .. ..

> Sutra", WND I, p. 56: .. ..
>

> .. .. If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS
> .. .. AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
> .. .. then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?

>
> From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: .. ..
>

> .. .. RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.
>
> From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain .. ..

> Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: .. ..
>

> .. .. The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY
> .. .. UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
> .. .. HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: .. ..
>

> .. .. Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages
> .. .. Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
> .. .. SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
> .. .. Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
> .. .. SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
> .. .. FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
> .. .. The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
> .. .. OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
> .. .. DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
> .. .. Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
> .. .. WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: .. ..
>

> .. .. "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the
> .. .. first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
> .. .. they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
> .. .. Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
> .. .. enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
> .. .. HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
>
> Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. .. ..
>
> Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. .. ..
>
> -Chas. .. ..
> __________________________________________ .. ..
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: .. ..
>
> [snip] .. ..
>
> >
> > You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that .. ..
>
> You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. .. ..
>
> It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. .. ..
>
> It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. .. ..
>
> You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. .. ..
>
> -Chas. .. ..
> ___________________________________________________________ .. ..

>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:

> > > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: .. ..
> > >
> >
> >
> > They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in .. ..
> >
> > No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon .. ..
> >
> > There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. .. ..
> >
>
> [snip your garbage] .. ..
>
> So, now you are changing your tune? .. ..
>
> It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. .. ..
>
> Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: .. ..
>
> 1. the fact that it has ten worlds .... ..
>
> or .. ..
>
> 2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin .... ..
>
> Here's your problem: .. ..
>
> A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. .. ..
>
> B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. .. ..
>
> C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. .. ..
>
> D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. .. ..
>
> Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. .. ..
>
> -Chas. .. ..
> ___________________________________________________________ .. ..
>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: .. ..
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: .. ..
>
> [snip] .. ..
>
> > >
> > > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." .. ..
> > >
> > > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. .. ..
> > >
> > > -Chas. .. ..
> >
> >
> > On the Treasure Tower .. ..
> > https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 .. ..
> > Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. .. ..
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent .. ..
> >
> > Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" .. ..
> >
> > Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay .. ..
> >
>
> This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. .. ..
>
> To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. .. ..
>
> Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. .. ..
>
> Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! .. ..
>
> [snip] .. ..
>
> Wake up, dude! .. ..
>
> -Chas. .. ..
> ___________________________________________________________ .. ..

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo!

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[Noel]

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[JazzIs TvRicky]

The Soka Cult is not a Nichiren Sect it’s a Cult stealing Nichiren’s Teachings which they do not follow at all...

[Julian]

On 14/08/2020 18:29, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> The Soka Cult is not a Nichiren Sect it’s a Cult stealing Nichiren’s Teachings which they do not follow at all...
>

You can't steal that which was freely given to all people
although trying to keep private that which was given freely
to all people comes pretty close.

[Chas.]

Ricky's just upset because his temple is dying ...
________________________________________________________

One NST Temple Down, Five To Go, Northward Ho for Shujo +

The latest news from NST is that the priest from the Washington D.C. NST Myosenji Temple on 310 University Blvd., Silver Spring, Maryland, named Shojo Sakabe, had to close down the D.C. temple and flee with his belongings up North on I-95 to the Myosetsuji Temple in Flushing, N.Y., to what was a very cool welcome: for a failed chief priest who lost his temple, after having it burned down once already!

Temples in Japan, like the bars that the businessmen used to spend their evenings in, are now associated with some of the most famous super-spreader events in Tokyo. The same public health observations apply in the United States. Chanting and singing in crowds are the worst public activities to engage in, in the midst of a pandemic spread by aerosols that linger contagion in the air for hours in closed spaces.

This is why the SGI will remain shut down for the duration of the pandemic waves. For the SGI and its busy weeks of Zoom meetings, this is not a hindrance, since we are mostly a volunteer organization having low overhead with tiny group of paid staff, and with most centers being leased.

The various temples, on the other hand, survive on funeral Buddhist offerings and those from weddings, and other gatherings, and from monthly Gokuyo offerings by attendees to priest lectures, and especially Tozan pilgrimage fees, kickbacks and other cash flowing from prayers for the sick and the dead, into the coffers of the head temples in Japan, such as Taisekiji for NST.

Adding to those financial pressures, the money for temple offerings is much harder to come by from the worried dantos - the temple members, who grip their precious pennies more tightly, the more grasping and desperate that the priests become for money to sustain their geishas and gambling.

And no one is hopping on a jet to Japan for Tozan, or even into the car for a temple cleanup activity: at least no one who cares for their life. So, the temples are rapidly falling into disrepair.

Head funeral Buddhist temples like Taisekiji, in the manner of the chief vampires that they are, will suck the life out of the subsidiary temples around the world, and their hunger will increase the subsidiary temples sucking the life out of the danto members. When a temple's members go dry, that temple's closure and subsequent sale will feed the appetite of the head temple, until all the smaller and then finally, the temples in the large global metros are consumed. At the end of the cycle, the head temples will implode into bankruptcy, like a black hole feeding on stellar masses.

This is my prediction of the order of closing for the Nichiren Shoshu Temples in the United States:

1. Myosenji Temple, Washington D.C. Area, Shojo Sakabe (closed, pricey real estate)
2. Myoshinji Temple, San Francisco Area, Shogu Kimura (high expenses and land value)
3. Honseiji Temple, Hawaii, Shoka Kimura (expenses very high, also the selling price)
4. Myohoji Temple, Los Angeles Area, Taishin Takano (terrible hot spot, and high land value)
5. Myogyoji Temple, Chicago Area, Shingyo Kamichi (West Chicago, not worth as much)
6. Myosetsuji Temple, New York Area, Shinga Takikawa (Flushing? It's not exactly Manhattan)

President Trump is seemingly relentless in perpetuating the waves of this pandemic. The energy behind that is driven by this determination by the Buddhas in the Ten Directions, to see slanderous temples closed. Seems obvious to me.

-Chas.
______________________________________________

[Noel]

Buddhist Practice & Study

Posted: 19 Aug 2020 02:04 PM PDT

It is essential for us to study the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism, enabling us to understand the reasons to continue practicing. We can resolve doubts, overcome laziness, and strengthen our practice through study, so that when we face obstacles and want to stop, we will be able to bolster our faith.*

At Myosenji Temple, our Chief Priest conducts a monthly Basics Study class to teach new Buddhists (and refresh/remind other Buddhists) about their daily practice and about Buddhism. Our next Basics Study class is Sunday, August 23rd. Myosenji Buddhists may attend via our Live Stream. Please be sure to have your book, Nichiren Shoshu Basics of Practice book.

*p.54, Nichiren Shoshu Basics of Practice

The post Buddhist Practice & Study first appeared on Myosenji Buddhist Temple.

[Chas.]

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:58:28 PM UTC, Noel wrote:
>
> It is essential for us to study the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism, enabling us to understand the reasons to continue practicing. We can resolve doubts, overcome laziness, and strengthen our practice through study, so that when we face obstacles and want to stop, we will be able to bolster our faith.*
>
> At Myosenji Temple, our Chief Priest conducts a monthly Basics Study class to teach new Buddhists (and refresh/remind other Buddhists) about their daily practice and about Buddhism. Our next Basics Study class is Sunday, August 23rd. Myosenji Buddhists may attend via our Live Stream. Please be sure to have your book, Nichiren Shoshu Basics of Practice book.
>
> *p.54, Nichiren Shoshu Basics of Practice
>
> The post Buddhist Practice & Study first appeared on Myosenji Buddhist Temple.

If there is a Zoom meeting it will be hosted from Myosetsuji in Flushing, NY, because that is where your Myosenji chief priest Shujo is holed up.

Myosenji temple at Washington D.C. is shut down.

Note that Myosenji temple is the closest to President Trump, who is actually, surprisingly, and quite unintentionally, having a medicinal effect.

It's sort of like injecting bleach, so I guess the President was oddly right about that: cauterizing then bleaching is kind of like moxibustion, first Myosetsuji burned and now has been pandemically bleached away.

"Our present tribulations are like moxibustion; at the time, it is painful, but because it has beneficial aftereffects, the pain is not really pain." [from "On Persecutions Befalling the Sage," WND I, p. 998.]

Pretty soon the other temples will follow in order, because you can Zoom disseminate distorting rhetoric from anywhere to drain what little blood is left in the bank accounts of the diminished flock.

Your Gokuyo will no longer be supporting your local temples, it's all getting funneled back to Japan for Nichinyo at Taisekiji, as the foreign temples begin to be rolled up, one by one.

Go ahead and drive by your local temple and you'll see what I mean.

President Trump is unstoppable, and he is quite inexplicably blind to the waves of pandemic he is creating.

-Chas.
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[Noel]

Many Soka Gakkai Kaikan's in Japan are being destroyed so they can rebuild new ones because they want votes from general contractors etc so that they will vote for Komeito the Gakkai's political party. All about money, they couldn't care less about Buddhism. As long as Komeito holds the balance of power they wont be investigated and sent to jail for corruption that has occurred over many decades!

Noel

[Chas.]

What a pile of crap that is. We jettison older and smaller center buildings for newer ones when appropriate, not like the centuries old temples that have ultra-expensive repairs in progress eternally by specialist builders.

And the Soka Gakkai has been completely separated from New Komeito for 50 years now.

-Chas.

[Noel]

They said that 50 years ago but they didn't mean a word they said. Komeito candidates come to Soka Gakkai meetings to encourage members to ask their friends and their families to vote for them. This has been a common practice since Komeito set up shop and still happens today.

This practice is against the Law because Religion and Politics are meant to be separate. The Soka Gakkai use their centers for election activity. Since Abe Government (Jimento) with Soka Gakkai (Komeito) work together the government turns the blind eye to the Gakkai dirty work

Soka Gakkai members are being pushed to vote Jimento (Shinto) in prefectures where there are no Komeito candidates. And are also being pushed to buy Komeito Newspapers

Thousands of Soka Gakkai members have been excommunicated for speaking against Komeito's policies.

Where is the proof of what you say about complete separation or are these are just more empty words as usual !

Noel

[Chas.]

On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 10:22:57 PM UTC, Noel wrote:
>
> They said that 50 years ago but they didn't mean a word they said. Komeito candidates come to Soka Gakkai meetings to encourage members to ask their friends and their families to vote for them. This has been a common practice since Komeito set up shop and still happens today.
>
> This practice is against the Law because Religion and Politics are meant to be separate. The Soka Gakkai use their centers for election activity. Since Abe Government (Jimento) with Soka Gakkai (Komeito) work together the government turns the blind eye to the Gakkai dirty work
>
> Soka Gakkai members are being pushed to vote Jimento (Shinto) in prefectures where there are no Komeito candidates. And are also being pushed to buy Komeito Newspapers
>
> Thousands of Soka Gakkai members have been excommunicated for speaking against Komeito's policies.
>
> Where is the proof of what you say about complete separation or are these are just more empty words as usual !
>
> Noel

You are so profoundly ignorant of the law. It is completely legal to talk about politics and campaign in a religious setting, in any country where there are constitutional rules regarding making laws restricting the freedom of religion.

It just shows how little you know about the law, religion or politics.

And that is just a sideshow regarding what is going on in the temples. They are all going bust precisely because funeral Buddhist priests waste money so profligately: on geishas, gambling, expensive alcohol, nice homes and plush vacations. Well, now there are no wallets in the seats at the temples, and no wallets doing Tozan pilgrimage. That huge sucking sound you hear, that is like a vacuum cleaner with nothing to suck on, is an unsustainable trend, it always results in one of two things: a burned-out vacuum, or an unplugged vacuum. Pull the plug!

-Chas.

[Noel]

Jeepers creepers, what haven't you got against NST ?

[Noel]

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:05:54 AM UTC, Noel wrote:
>
> Jeepers creepers, what haven't you got against NST ?

Remember Marlon Brando in "The Wild One", leaning up against the handlebar of his motorcycle? The distressed villager against the backdrop of his gang ripping up the town asks, "What are you rebelling against, Johnny?" to which he responds, "What do you got?"

It's like that.

Ikeda is the money grabbing, power tripping thug here and you are one of his gang members doing his dirty work!


"In the next life you should use this sword as your staff. The Lotus Sutra is the staff that helps all the Buddhas of the three existences as they set their minds on enlightenment. However, you should rely on Nichiren as your staff and pillar. When one uses a staff, one will not fall on treacherous mountain paths or rough roads, and when led by the hand, one will never stumble. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo will be your staff to take you safely over the mountains of death. The Buddhas Shakyamuni and Many Treasures, as well as the four bodhisattvas headed by Superior Practices, will lead you by the hand on your journey.

If I, Nichiren, precede you in death, I will come to meet you at your last moment. If you should precede me, I will be sure to tell King Yama all about you. Everything that I tell you is true. According to the Lotus Sutra, Nichiren is the guide who knows the passes and gorges along the way. Devote yourself single-mindedly to faith with the aim of reaching Eagle Peak.

Money serves various purposes according to our needs. The same is true of the Lotus Sutra. It is a lantern in the dark or a boat at a crossing. At times it is water and, at times, fire. This being so, the Lotus Sutra assures us of “peace and security in our present existence and good circumstances in future existences - Nichiren

Noel









On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 2:24:00 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:

> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:00:25 AM UTC, Noel wrote:
> >
> > Jeepers creepers, what haven't you got against NST ?
>

> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:57:31 PM UTC, Noel wrote:
> >
> > Jeepers creepers, what haven't you got against NST ?
>

> Remember Marlon Brando in "The Wild One", leaning up against the handlebar of his motorcycle? The distressed villager against the backdrop of his gang ripping up the town asks, "What are you rebelling against, Johnny?" to which he responds, "What do you got?"
>
> It's like that.
> ___________________________________________________________

>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever +
>

> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 7:01:33 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:06:41 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 3:53:24 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > > From when he was 32 he first said Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. Until he was 50, eighteen years latter no Gohonzon existed. His follower's practice was devotion to Nichiren(Namu Nichiren) chanting Daimoku and studying his letters which were enough for them to have temporary enlightenment.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, so? What you are saying in your addled mind is effectively this:
> > >
> > > Noel's Illogic:
> > >
> > > 1. If Nichiren Daishonin's magical man-God powers conferred High-Function-Gohonzon-like effects on his followers during his magical life, then after he died and those magical powers waned, then the vast majority of his Gohonzons conferred (WHICH WERE NOT Noel's "grand finale" Gohonzons) would now express their Low-Function-Gohonzon effects and his followers would suffer incalculable evil effects.
> > >
> > > 2. This is due to the utter disregard in which Nichiren Daishonin held them due to his limited imagination (Oh, I can die, what will happen to them then?)
> > >
> > > 3. Therefore in Noel's logic: Nichiren Daishonin is a crappy Buddha.
> > >
> > > -Chas.
> >
> > There are 2 conditions under which Nichiren's Gohonzons work the most effectively:
> >
> > 1)Has the Gohonzon been written by Nichiren ?
> >
> > 2)Does the person who has Nichirens Gohonzon have devotion to Nichiren ?
> >
> > If these requirements have been met then it doesn't matter if the Gohonzon isn't a complete 10 world Gohonzon.
> >
> > Because Nichiren is Buddha there is no discrimination between complete and incomplete Gohonzons
> >
> > Gohonzons that are not written by Nichiren create discrimination between complete and not complete Gohonzons because the High Priests that wrote them are not Buddhas.
> >
> > Even though the power of Nichirens Gohonzons are equal, since he declared his mission complete in Koan 2nd, I still think that the inscriptions of his 10 world Gohonzons is what made it complete. It's the best thing we can have in this age of quarell and dispute when Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings have fallen into confusion and lost their power to lead people to enlightenment.
> > ________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > The 2nd least effective conditions:
> >
> > 1) the 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
> >
> > 2) Devotion to Nichiren
> >
> > Even those that have complete transcribed 10 world Gohonzons that are written by priests will lose the benefits from the practice if their devotion is not to Nichiren
> >
> >
> > The 3rd least effective conditions:
> >
> > 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
> >
> > 2) Devotion to Nichiren
> >
> > Devotion to Nichiren may compromise not having 10 world Gohonzons because Nichiren is the oneness of the Person and the Law
> >
> >
> >
> > The 4th least effective conditions:
> >
> > 1) not complete 10 world Gohonzons written by high priests
> >
> > 2) not devoted to Nichiren
> >
> > Overall the worst scenario is having a High priest Gohonzon that doesn't have 10 worlds and members and leaders not having devotion to Nichiren/Sun Lotus who is Buddha of the oneness of the person and the law in this age of Mappo
> >
> > Unfortunately, this fate is the present day reality of SGI.
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Any copy of Nichiren's Gohonzons by High priests that arent 10 worlds aren't such a good idea when they are given out to people. Those type of Gohonzons should only be for the priest's private collection. I think Nichikan's was one for private collection that slipped through the safety net that Ikeda seems to have strategically bought from a young priest who couldn't care less.
> >
> >
> > An original Nichiren 10 world Gohonzon is the image of Nichiren the Buddha of absolute freedom in the Latter Day of the Law
> >
> > - hide quoted text -
> > "I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!"
>
> Your initial theory on this issue and your modified theories are insupportable by either document or reason.
>
> 1. Your initial theory requires that Nichiren Daishonin exuded a field that activated the low-function-Gohonzons that most of his followers had. Was that like an electromagnetic field mediated by some new force-carrying boson like the photon, gluon, or the W and Z intermediate vector bosons? Or was that like the gravitational field that is transmitted by modifying the curvature of space-time? I presume that it was transmitted at the speed of light. These field carrying particles have not been detected yet at CERN's LHC, so they must be much heavier than the Higgs Boson.
>
> 2. Your initial theory required Nichiren Daishonin not to have the basic imagination to foresee that his death would inactivate the majority of Gohonzons that he had bestowed upon his most loyal followers, or not to care about that inevitable inactivation as a bad Buddha.
>
> 3. Your initial theory requires that when Nichiren Daishonin described these Gohonzons to his followers as the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa" that he was lying, since he knew a later high-function-Gohonzon revision would have permanent powers greatly transcending the powers of the low-function-Gohonzons that he was bestowing.
>
> 4. Your modified theory (to cover up the gaping holes in your initial theory) requires that ten-world high-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons exude a field that activates less-than-ten-world low-function Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzons. That field would also require specific bosons as a carrier particle or changing the curvature of space-time, and they must be heavier vector bosons than the Higgs.
>
> To wrap this up, each and every version of your theory is nothing less than the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.
>
> The force-carrying particle for the transmission of the power of the Gohonzon is in fact the photon, which interacts with the rods and cones at the end of the optic nerve, producing a raw image that is transmitted to the thalamus in the center of your head, and then to the visual cortex at the back of your head, which processes the image and adds 5 times as much metadata information to the image sent back to the thalamus, which then is transmitted to the cerebral cortex at the top of skull, where your world-view is maintained.
>
> However, that world-view is inactive until sound (from the pure and far-reaching voice out of your own mouth and reverberating in your skull) is mixed into that image and that stereo-sound-technicolor experience activated in the cerebral cortex is where the activated complex known as enlightenment occurs.
>
> My theory requires no new fields or force-carrying particles and requires no new brain physiology to function.
>
> Occam's razor says that I am right and you are wrong. The simplest explanation wins the day.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 5:26:28 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > "Because the Lotus Sutra manifests the Buddha’s spiritual aspect when one embodies that spiritual aspect in a wooden or painted image possessing thirty-one features, the image in its entirety becomes the living Buddha. This is what is meant by the enlightenment of plants.
> >
> > It is for this reason that T’ien-t’ai states, “All things having color or fragrance are manifestations of the Middle Way.” Commenting on this, Miao-lo adds: “However, although people may admit that all things having color or fragrance are manifestations of the Middle Way, they are nevertheless shocked and harbor doubts when they hear for the first time the doctrine that insentient beings possess the Buddha nature.”
> >
> > Ch’eng-kuan of the Flower Garland school stole T’ien-t’ai’s doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life, using it to interpret the Flower Garland Sutra. Then he wrote: “Both the Lotus and Flower Garland sutras reveal the doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life.
> > The Flower Garland Sutra, however, is the teaching of enlightenment for people of the sudden teaching, because it was preached earlier, while the Lotus Sutra is the teaching of enlightenment for people of the gradual teaching because it was preached later. The Flower Garland Sutra is the root because it preceded all the other sutras. The Lotus Sutra consists of nothing but branches and leaves.”
> >
> > He puffed himself up like a mountain, thinking that he alone had mastered the true teaching. In reality, however, he did not know about the enlightenment of plants, the heart of the doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life. Miao-lo ridiculed the ignorance Ch’eng-kuan showed in the above-quoted statement."
> >
> > Opening the Eyes of Images
> >
> > Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo down the middle of the Gohonzon is the enlightened aspect of the 9 worlds. They receive the light by the lines that flow from Nam[u] Myoho Renge Kyo into the 9 worlds. This means that the fundamental darkness of the 9 worlds will become latent. Enlightenment/wisdom and fundamental darkness do not appear at the same time
> >
> > The 9 worlds have their own individual shades of delusion this is why they all need to be present so their original enlightenment can manifest through having faith and chanting to a 10 world Gohonzon
> >
> > The common mortal is one with delusion and enlightenment and it's our choice which way we go
>
> Noel, you are drawing an improper conclusion. All nine worlds, and any 6 worlds of the nine worlds, or any two worlds of the nine worlds ... are all contained in the world of Buddhahood ... which is the effect of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.
>
> This is why any Gohonzon with "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" down the middle is a fully functional Gohonzon.
>
> This is also why any Gohonzon with the ten worlds on it that DOES NOT HAVE "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" down the middle is NOT a functional Gohonzon.
>
> The essential component is having "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren" down the middle to be a fully functional Gohonzon.
>
> Are we clear on that?
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> You are, once again, screaming in the mirror, dude.
>
> Your kindergarten-level ideas about the Gohonzon are ludicrous, only 5-year-olds would follow you into the perfect cul-de-sac you have found yourself.
>
> Here's a question for you, without giving much away that you should discover for yourself: just precisely where is the world of humanity/human beings located on these various ten-world Gohonzons that you speak of? Is the world of humanity/human beings always in the same spot on all of these? Where is it located on your so-called "grand-finale" Gohonzon? Is it where you think it should be? Do you think location on the Gohonzon relative to Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is important?
>
> Think carefully before you answer, that answer will be very telling. And don't go asking others for help, answer this yourself, out of your own enlightenment.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 3:45:03 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > Why do you want to know, Hasnt your sensei taught you the basics yet
> > .
>
> Like I thought. You can't answer the simplest question, whose implication would stem from your goofy Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories.
>
> You have not thought this incredibly stupid idea through skin depth.
>
> At least try and examine your dumb theory and answer the question.
>
> Unless you really don't believe it yourself, it is just another phantasmagoria of your crazy mind? Another drug-induced dream?
>
> Is that all you are doing, spewing your cranial ejaculations in all directions?
>
> Here it is again: A question for you, without giving much away that you should discover for yourself: just precisely where is the world of humanity/human beings located on these various ten-world Gohonzons that you speak of? Is the world of humanity/human beings always in the same spot on all of these? Where is it located on your so-called "grand-finale" Gohonzon? Is it where you think it should be? Do you think location on the Gohonzon relative to Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is important?
>
> Once again, think carefully before you answer, that answer will be very telling. And don't go asking others for help, answer this yourself, out of your own "ten-world" Gohonzon enlightenment.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 7:02:30 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> >
> > You need to study Gohonzon for yourself to find the answers that you seek
> >
> > investigate for yourself by using your own brain
> >
> > You can start with translating these charts
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> Stop dodging the question and answer it. I know you can't, because it would reveal the skin-depth of your utter foolishness, but try anyway.
>
> Here it is again for you: A question for you, without giving much away that you should discover for yourself: just precisely where is the world of humanity/human beings located on these various ten-world Gohonzons that you speak of? Is the world of humanity/human beings always in the same spot on all of these? Where is it located on your so-called "grand-finale" Gohonzon? Is it where you think it should be? Do you think location on the Gohonzon relative to Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is important?
>
> One more time, think carefully before you answer, that answer will be very telling. And don't go asking others for help, answer this yourself, out of your own "ten-world" Gohonzon enlightenment.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 3:45:03 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > Why do you want to know, Hasnt your sensei taught you the basics yet
> > .
>
> Like I thought. You can't answer the simplest question, whose implication would stem from your goofy Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories.
>
> You have not thought this incredibly stupid idea through skin depth.
>
> At least try and examine your dumb theory and answer the question.
>
> Unless you really don't believe it yourself, it is just another phantasmagoria of your crazy mind? Another drug-induced dream?
>
> Is that all you are doing, spewing your cranial ejaculations in all directions?
>
> Here it is again: A question for you, without giving much away that you should discover for yourself: just precisely where is the world of humanity/human beings located on these various ten-world Gohonzons that you speak of? Is the world of humanity/human beings always in the same spot on all of these? Where is it located on your so-called "grand-finale" Gohonzon? Is it where you think it should be? Do you think location on the Gohonzon relative to Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is important?
>
> Once again, think carefully before you answer, that answer will be very telling. And don't go asking others for help, answer this yourself, out of your own enlightenment.
>
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 7:02:30 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> >
> > You need to study Gohonzon for yourself to find the answers that you seek
> >
> > investigate for yourself by using your own brain
> >
> > You can start with translating these charts
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> Stop dodging the question and answer it. I know you can't, because it would reveal the skin-depth of your utter foolishness, but try anyway.
>
> Here it is again for you: A question for you, without giving much away that you should discover for yourself: just precisely where is the world of humanity/human beings located on these various ten-world Gohonzons that you speak of? Is the world of humanity/human beings always in the same spot on all of these? Where is it located on your so-called "grand-finale" Gohonzon? Is it where you think it should be? Do you think location on the Gohonzon relative to Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is important?
>
> One more time, think carefully before you answer, that answer will be very telling. And don't go asking others for help, answer this yourself, out of your own "ten-world" Gohonzon enlightenment.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> OK, I'll assume that you don't have an answer there, how about a simpler question. What is the name of the part of the Gohonzon that you associate with the world of Humanity/Human Beings?
>
> Presumably, if you believe you have a ten-world Gohonzon, you must have some idea what entity on the Gohonzon is associated with the world of Humanity/Human Beings on that Gohonzon, yes? Or are completely and transparently blowing smoke?
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:06:08 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 3:09:15 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Ok, let's make it easy for you. Here's one for you, number 26 in the Gohonzon chart which is notably absent amongst many other worlds in the Gohonzon that your sensei intentionally chose for you so as to gradually devalue the Gohonzon over time and have less dependence on it and more on the organization and him
> >
> >
> > Tenrin Jo-o
> >
> > Chakravartin ~ Wheel Turning King
> >
> > The wheel turning king is the ideal monarch, and in many ways is the worldly counterpart of the Buddha. They are even said to possess all of the thirty-two marks which the Buddhas, celestial bodhisattvas, and the higher deities possess.
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Number 27 in the Gohonzon chart is also said to be associated with the world of Humanity
> >
> > Ajase Dai-o
> >
> > King Ajatashatru
>
> [snip]
>
> Got that wrong Noel.
>
> The world of Humanity/Human Beings is present on every single Gohonzon. It is located on the Gohonzon centered on the character Myo.
>
> The world of Humanity/Human Beings is at the very heart of the world of Buddhahood.
>
> That collocation is another proof that "common mortals are ... the true Buddha."
>
> I'll let you figure out for yourself, where the other eight worlds and the world of Buddhahood should be located.
>
> Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise, in case you should find a way out of the trap of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, which are nothing more than and expression of deep hatred for Nichiren Daishonin, who would have been the perpetrator of the difference.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 5:31:13 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Good that you bought up this point as it brings out revelations
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> Noel, you can wrap as much fallacious reasoning, based improperly on quotes from the Gosho as you want, and you still are professing that (1) Nichiren Daishonin would give his his most loyal and early followers Low-Function Gohonzon that would stop working upon his death, (2) when his magic life powers stopped making those Low Function Gohonzons work properly, and then (3) at the last Nichiren Daishonin gave the latecomers of his followers High Function Gohonzons that would work properly after his death. This is nothing more than despising Nichiren Daishonin, the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as either an incompetent or someone who clearly did not care about his most loyal early followers. Noel, Your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories Are The Stupidest Ideas, Ever. And it is clear that you hate and despise Nichiren Daishonin and his Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra.
>
> Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 2:25:33 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > You deserve the Gohonzon you have that relects your charachter. A form of karmic retribution so to speak which would explain why the sgi chants like a chain saw to a possibly demon possessed Gohonzon that didn't have its eye opening ceremony performed by Nichiren
> >
> > This why it could be better to chant to any of Nichiren's Gohonzons than from transcribed Gohonzons from no matter what sect it came from
> >
> > As long as there is still commitment to Nichiren as Buddha/10 world Gohonzon then all his Gohonzons would be functional
> >
> > So as far as how many worlds there are in Nichiren's Gohonzons is only secondary to who performed the eye-opening ceremony on the Gohonzon.
> >
> > However because in koan 2nd he said that he completed his mission which coincided with his first inscriptions of 10 world Gohonzons I presume he was telling us that 10 world Gohonzons are the way to go
>
> Hmmm. As any scientist will inform you in the darkness of your ignorance, coincidence is not necessarily causation, in Latin this fallacy is called "Post hoc ergo propter hoc"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
>
> However that failed reasoning sinks ... you are extending your hogwash and horse apples theories to NOW INCLUDE that it is the utter devotion to Nichiren Daishonin, THAT is what allows the magical powers of his Low-Function Gohonzons and his High-Function Gohonzons to work better than anyone else's Gohonzons: even when they are downloaded as a pirate copy printout, from the traitorous thieving priests who betrayed him to worship statues of Shakyamuni as a falsely-deified man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth.
>
> So, evil causes related to procuring stolen Gohonzons are ignored by cause and effect, the most important thing is utter devotion to the NEW man-God or God Almighty named Nichiren Daishonin.
>
> It is switching your false-deification from Shakyamuni to Nichiren Daishonin that powers your stolen Gohonzons, that is your new magic trick.
>
> This ignores the fact that we are all Buddhas with the same powers, and that "the actual name of the entity" that is the eternal Buddha is in fact "Myoho-Renge" according to Nichiren Daishonin's own words.
>
> Here's another wonderful quote from the wonderful guy that you would falsely deify, Nichiren Daishonin that utterly refutes your hogwash and horse apples theories. From “Those Initially Aspiring to the Way”, WND I, p. 887:
> https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-95
>
> ... As for the meaning of Myoho-renge-kyo: THE BUDDHA NATURE
> ... INHERENT IN US, ORDINARY PEOPLE; THE BUDDHA NATURE OF
> ... BRAHMĀ, SHAKRA, AND THE OTHER DEITIES; THE BUDDHA NATURE OF
> ... SHĀRIPUTRA, MAUDGALYĀYANA, AND THE OTHER VOICE-HEARERS; THE
> ... BUDDHA NATURE OF MANJUSHRĪ, MAITREYA, AND THE OTHER
> ... BODHISATTVAS; AND THE MYSTIC LAW THAT IS THE ENLIGHTENMENT
> ... OF THE BUDDHAS OF THE THREE EXISTENCES, ARE ONE AND
> ... IDENTICAL. THIS PRINCIPLE IS CALLED MYOHO-RENGE-KYO.
> ... Therefore, when once we chant Myoho-renge-kyo, with just
> ... that single sound WE SUMMON FORTH AND MANIFEST THE BUDDHA
> ... NATURE OF ALL BUDDHAS; all existences; all bodhisattvas; all
> ... voice-hearers; all the deities such as Brahmā, Shakra, and
> ... King Yama; the sun and moon, and the myriad stars; the
> ... heavenly gods and earthly deities, on down to hell-dwellers,
> ... hungry spirits, animals, asuras, human and heavenly beings,
> ... and all other living beings. This blessing is immeasurable
> ... and boundless.
>
> It is our own Buddha nature that makes the Gohonzon a true and honest mirror of our true selves, and that only happens when we chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo (as opposed to Noel's Soto Zen meditation in front of his stolen Gohonzon printout.) While it is true that we only chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo because Nichiren Daishonin told us about it and asks us to, and that we chant because we follow him as Jogyo, the eternal leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, of which we include ourselves as members ... there is absolutely no necessity of giving a man long dead the control of turning off and on the power of our Gohonzon. He is quite busy elsewhere, I assure you and does not have his hand on the magical Gohonzon power supply switch.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:27:06 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > Since Nichiren’s Gohonzons have no value for you it shows that you aren't a Nichiren Buddhist but rather a slanderous demon possessed Ikedabot. You have shown your true colours to be that of a Shingon Dharma body worshipper that has cut himself off from the buddhas reward and manifest body.
> > The oneness of the 3 bodied Tathagatta thus come one Namu myoho renge kyo that Nichiren manifested in the Gohonzon
> >
> > Your Gohonzon doesnt have 3 of the lower worlds where Shingon doesn't have any which is another similiarity of you deficient practice
>
> The is not apparent at all: my refutation of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories (which are nothing more than hogwash and horse apples,) does not equate to slandering Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons.
>
> If that were the case, your theories would equate to Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons, which would make them the object of devotion. That is only true for Noel and no one else: and that is only true because Noel's ten-world Gohonzon theory is based on Noel's purely theoretical insight, without any actual insight to support it. It is a purely imaginary exploit.
>
> In fact, I have a better opinion of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons than you: (1) whereas you prize the last few over the rest, I consider each and every one of his Gohonzons to be the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa," and (2) I believe that others, such as Nichikan, can also inscribe the Gohonzon, the "supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa," however, (3) no Gohonzon should be stolen by traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death to worship statues of Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth, to be subsequently pirated on the web and finally printed out like a laundry list.
>
> Refuting your second point, all Gohonzons, even those with just Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren printed down the middle, possess all of the nine worlds in the world of Buddhahood on them, and when you chant to one that wasn't stolen, pirated and printed out like a laundry list, in an environment free of gross slander of the Law and evil accretions, you will perceive that yourself reflected in the mirror of your life.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:35:01 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > You have justified all Gohonzons including those that haven't been inscribed by Nichiren, even those with just Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo Nichiren printed down the middle that possesses all of the nine worlds in the world of Buddhahood, haven't the possibility of being possessed by Demon and Devils
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> Once again, you spout hogwash and horse apples in place of reason.
>
> (1) If you are saying that a specific paper Gohonzon must have its eyes opened by Nichiren Daishonin, or a priest who is a true follower of Nichiren Daishonin: in person with eyes on that paper or wooden Gohonzon, then your stolen and pirate-downloaded printout is invalid, so you cannot be saying that.
>
> (2) If you are saying that the original needs the eye-opening ceremony by Nichiren Daishonin, or a priest who is a true follower of Nichiren Daishonin, and then all good quality copies made by Nichiren Daishonin, or a priest who is a true follower of Nichiren Daishonin are then valid: then my Nichikan Gohonzon, with its eyes opened by the 26th High Priest and rescuer of the Fuji School is perfectly valid.
>
> Any other argument invalidates any copies of Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons like yours.
>
> This is completely apart from the evil causes you made to receive that Gohonzon from traitorous Nichiren Shu priests, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death, by distorting Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a statue-worshiping cult deifying Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 10:07:05 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > You haven't convinced me that you are of sound mind Chas it comes with your baggage that you haul arround like a stinking carcass
>
> It would be hard to convince someone who has invented his own theory about Gohonzons, with no support whatsoever from Nichiren Daishonin, or his closest followers Nikko Shonin and Nichimoku Shonin. Aside from the fact that your crap theories cast such an incredibly bad light on the Daishonin for never mentioning this "critical point," that you pulled out of your own mind, or where it's permanently lodged.
>
> Surely, a critical detail so important (low function Gohonzons not working properly, or only use Nichiren Gohonzons, forever and ever) would have been mentioned somewhere to someone in a Gosho letter, or the Ongi Kuden (Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings,), or Nikko's, or Nichomoku's writings.
>
> No, it only emanates from those traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu, who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death, to distort Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism into a statue-worshiping cult idolizing Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahwe/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
>
> And that is why I cannot convince you to abandon your own fantasies about this, for which you can show no documentary proof of any kind from the three founders of the Fuji School.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 1:10:46 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Nichikan said that Nichiren's 10 world Gohonzons were the best of the best so tell Nichikan that Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories Are The Stupidest Ideas, Ever while your chanting to his 5 world Gohonzon and show contempt for Nichiren Daishonin and his Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra
>
> Show me the precise quote. And the reference to it as well, don't just pull it out of your head, or where it's permanently lodged.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 10:10:21 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > Do you have a Japanese friend that can translate for you because Google translations aren't the best
>
> I feel you are about to shift your ground showing me an unrelated quote that you have incorrectly interpreted. I'm getting to know your insanity pretty well :(
>
> I want to see a quote supporting your low-function versus high-function Gohonzon theory specifically, from a source that can be checked (and I will check it!) What I DON"T WANT TO SEE is a quote from Nichikan simply admiring Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzon inscribing style.
>
> Think about this: Why would Nikko Shonin, Nikko Shonin and Nichikan Shonin ... who are all true followers of Nichiren Daishonin and supremely competent priests of the Fuji School ... why would they inscribe their own Gohonzons if they were by definition an inferior object of devotion?
>
> Nichiren Daishonin declared that the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", HE DID NOT SAY "only Gohonzons I INSCRIBE with ten worlds at the end of my life for the lucky few who received them ... are the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa."
>
> Just give me the Japanese and the documentary reference proving the unprovable: title, volume, page number, author.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:28:03 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Nikko transcribed 10 world Gohonzons from the Dai Gohonzon and less than ten for his private collection. Nichimoku and Nichikan's Gohonzons would have to be from their private collection. Something must have happened to their 10 world Gohonzons that were transcriptions from the Dai Gohonzon that High Priests are supposed to do being part of their job description. Maybe you can ask Nichiren Shoshu WTF is going on!
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Something wasn't completed before Koan 2nd the fulfillment of his purpose of inscribing 10 world gohonzons
> >
>
> You did not give the title, volume, page, and author of that document like I asked, so it's not a usable reference.
>
> All you do is evade the killer questions destroying your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, which are not mentioned in the Gosho Zenshu anywhere. That lack of mention guarantees that the stuff that you are making up out of your brain, or where it's permanently lodged, is bunk.
>
> Something so important as (1) Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons are the only ones to ever chant to. and (2) No one truly following Nichiren Daishonin should therefore ever inscribe a Gohonzon, except for his own "private collection," and never to be shared outside that "private collection," and (3) Nichiren Daishonin might say things that are wrong about all of this before a certain date (Koan 2nd), but Noel will get it right and straighten everyone out 700+ years from now ...
>
> That stuff about "private collection" of Gohonzons is a dead giveaway, Noel. You are a pirated stolen Gohonzon printout collector and are projecting that on the founders and rescuers of the Fuji School (Nikko Shonin, Nichimoku Shonin, Nichikan Shonin.)
>
> Why can't we find any trace of your special "Noel wisdom" anywhere in the Gosho, Noel? Because it's all crap!
>
> Admit it, you are pulling all of this out of your ass. You are making all of this up whole cloth.
>
> -Chas.
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:13:21 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > The reference I gave you was from the author Nichikan. Here it is again get it translated and don't be so slack then you will see what Nichikan said: "Nichiren's Gohonzons from 2nd Koan were the best of the best."
> >
>
> If that note of appreciation on Nichiren Daishonin by his loyal follower Nichikan Shonin is your only proof, then your arguments and Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories are not only the stupidest ideas ever, but they are the deadest as well. That quote does not rise to the occasion of issuing your Sears-Catalogue-Admonitions below.
>
> OK, this is like pulling teeth, you gave me the author Nichikan, now I want Document Title, Volume, Page information for your quote.
>
> >
> > > All you do is evade the killer questions destroying your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, which are not mentioned in the Gosho Zenshu anywhere. That lack of mention guarantees that the stuff that you are making up out of your brain, or where it's permanently lodged, is bunk.
> >
> > Of course they are not mentioned directly however he says it through whats behind his sentences and in his actions.It is a fault of yours and your fellow cultists that you cannot see deeply into situations because you have had your head so deeply planted in Ikedas ass that unless it comes from him you cant accept anything
> >
>
> That is clearly a lie. I give you countless direct quotes from Nichiren Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra primarily to counter that kind of lie about Sensei. You ignore and despise what Nichiren Daishonin says constantly. This is why you cannot produce a single quote from Nichiren Daishonin backing your contention that we are to follow Noel's Sears-Catalogue-Admonitions foolishness:
>
> Good: Only Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons are good, all others harbour demons.
>
> Better: Only Nichiren Daishonin's ten-world Gohonzons are better.
>
> Best: Only Nichiren Daishonin's ten-world Gohonzons at the end of his life are the best - they are superior and every other Gohonzon gives a lesser high, and maybe is demonic.
>
> You have created this fantasy, which puts the spotlight on Nichiren Daishonin for handing out low-function Gohonzons to his earliest and most loyal followers, showing just how much you think of his compassion and concern for those loyal followers.
>
> You have yet to produce a single quote from the Gosho Zenshu on this garbage theory. If this theory were true, why would his two closest disciples Nikko Shonin, Nichimoku Shonin and the restorer of the Fuji School inscribe Gohonzons? You claim it was only for their "private collection" and not for anyone else to chant to, thereby projecting your own "Gohonzon collector" antiques-road-show-bullshit on the founders and the restorer.
>
> All of these "Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories" have been pulled out of you ass on the fly, during these discussions to answer my refutations: you have no basis outside of Noel's ass.
>
> > > Something so important as (1) Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons are the only ones to ever chant to. and (2) No one truly following Nichiren Daishonin should therefore ever inscribe a Gohonzon, except for his own "private collection," and never to be shared outside that "private collection," and (3) Nichiren Daishonin might say things that are wrong about all of this before a certain date (Koan 2nd), but Noel will get it right and straighten everyone out 700+ years from now ...
> > >
> > > (1) Nichiren Daishonin's Gohonzons are the only ones to ever chant to.
> >
> > Since we have originals why wouldn't we. Why bother with a transcription unless your emotionally involved with the person Ikeda who authorized the printout for you
> >
>
> I understand that you do not have a set of ethical values related to ends versus means ... and so pirating and downloading a stolen Gohonzon printer image, from the source of the traitorous priests at Nichiren Shu who distorted Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra into a statue-worshiping cult idolizing Shakyamuni as a man-God like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah ... those kinds of causes pass muster with you, because the ends of your collector's greed at possessing the "best" over everyone else, and then trumpeting that publicly to get everyone and sundry following "Noel's Collector Buddhism" path to collection Nirvana are served by whatever means necessary. However, Noel, the ends DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. And your crazy ends are not rational, either.
>
> > > (2) No one truly following Nichiren Daishonin should therefore ever inscribe a Gohonzon, except for his own "private collection," and never to be shared outside that "private collection,"
> > >
>
> [snip]
>
> > Have you bothered to click on the link I sent you of the Gohonzon charts that Nichiren Shoshu made. If you did you would have seen that there were many less than 10 world Gohonzons that were made by the p

[Noel]

The major problem regarding the “Nichikan” Gohonzon; it looks so completely different to Nichikan's other full Ten World's 1718 Gohonzon that was given out during the Osaka/Kansai campaigns?

I also find it extremely odd that Jisai Watanabe omitted this Gohonzon whilst listing other High Priests' Gohonzons' that were used? It was just as though he didn't want to draw attention to it – especially since this letter was written just a year or two after the SGI started bestowing "Nichikan" Gohonzons? Very odd?

And what about the chief priest of Joen-ji temple in Tochigi Prefecture; Sendo Narita, about which very little is known - moreover there appears to be no statement from him at all about how or what a 270 year old six worlds Joju Gohonzon (dedicated to some other private and obscure individual) happened to be doing enshrined in a completely different temple from the one it where it originated?

Moreover, the SGI always argues; "all Gohonzons are the same"; or a "Gohonzon is a Gohonzon", although understandably, the SGI wanted to change the Nikken Gohonzon for reasons that were twofold - firstly it was political; the SGI and the members were making a statement by standing together against nst - but the second was of a far more ethereal reason; i.e. members felt such a Gohonzon inscribed by such an immoral character as 'Nikken' somehow contained his essence and character - an argument absolutely contrary to the one used in regards to the Dai-Gohonzon – or indeed in any SGI Gohonzon argument! Personally, I don't believe a Gohonzon is just a Gohonzon - and find these revelations regarding the SGI Nichikan Gohonzon somewhat disturbing and indeed from my own experience chanting with it?

If indeed it proves to be a Gohonzon from Nichiyo's hand then this turns things upside down - and even worse still – if it were planted in 'Joen-Ji' temple?

Indeed, could the entire SGI still be dancing to nst’s tune? This is not something that can be ignored?

In describing the Gohonzon, Nichiren unequivocally states;
"Without exception, all these Buddhas, bodhisattvas, great sages, and, in general, all the various beings of the two worlds and the eight groups who appear in the “Introduction” chapter of the Lotus Sutra dwell in this Gohonzon."

He clarifies this further in the following sentence;
"Illuminated by the light of the five characters of the Mystic Law, they display the dignified attributes that they inherently possess. This is the object of devotion."

Looking at the above statement the Nichikan Gohonzon cannot "illuminate" the world of Anger or hell or humanity or learning to "display the dignified attributes that they inherently possess. There is no argument regarding the missing worlds on the Nichikan Gohonzon. One cannot argue something is there, when plainly its not - whatever the twists and turns of the argument are?

If you're going to all the trouble of inscribing almost an entire Gohonzon, why omit some worlds and leave others – especially in the case of a wood-block Gohonzon apparently designed for many different practitioners – the more one thinks about it, the more bizarre it becomes? Indeed why not just omit all the worlds entirely – although I am certain that it is point that is so indicative that this Gohonzon was in fact some sort of test or trial Gohonzon – more than likely on the part of Nichiyo merely reflecting Nichikan’s thinking? Or maybe it was just some 'test' Gohonzon that Nichikan decided never to use – and as such it was archived at Taiseki-Ji.

But then there's worrying factor over other differences in style; indeed where 'Nichiren’s' name is found on this Gohonzon compared to the other 1718 Gohonzon; the numbers of worlds and indeed the calligraphy between these two very different Gohonzons, although, it would be most interesting to discover whether or not it was Nichikan who transcribed this Gohonzon or his protégé, Nichiyo?

The most bizarre aspect being that it was made into a wood-block for multiple Gohonzons? But even this could have been part and parcel of Nichiyo’s training with no intention of ever allowing this Gohonzon into the public domain?

But then again what was this Gohonzon doing ‘enshrined’ in a completely different temple from the one of its original dedication – and how did it end up there?

Since Ikeda stepped down from full control of the SGI, decisions are being taken by SGI committees seemingly more for ‘political’ purposes than ‘pure’ faith. A similar situation exists presently with Ikeda Sensei that existed prior to Mr. Williams demise - he was cocooned by those just below him and out of touch with the grass-roots.

As noted, the SGI has a remarkably low retention of just 5 per cent. A long look is needed at this is happening? Statistically there more unofficial SGI members in the USA than there are members and with such a low retention rate something is very wrong.

“ ...990,000 Gohonzon were handed out by NSA/SGI in the United States. Only 100,000 members are locatable, with 50-60,000 active. ...only 5% of the people receiving Gohonzon still practiced... ” (SGI source)
Some may feel that I’m not being a ‘good’ SGI member for pointing all this. On the contrary – sticking our heads in the sand is inviting disaster as one member put it;
“A former national YWD leader said at a conference I attended that, in her 20 years of practice, she'd helped 400 people get gohonzons. "Do you know how many are still practicing?" she asked. "TWO." This clearly illustrates the abysmal retention rates of the people who are convinced at some point to actually get a Gohonzon. This retention rate is not only dismal, it is fatal to SGI-USA's prospects. The writing is on the wall.”

I’m convinced much of the current problem lies with a totally ineffective SGI Gohonzon...
‘Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo’
MBB. C


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 9:08:02 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is; . . .
> >
> > "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…" . . .
> >
> > Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings." . . .
>
> Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight." That's the quote without the "sic!" . . .
>
> It is clear by now to everyone that you consider Nichiren Daishonin to be a lesser Buddha and yourself to be a greater one. . .
>
> Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . .
>
> But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . .
> _____________________________________________________ . . .
>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . .
>
> Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . .
>
> One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . .
>
> From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . .
> Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . .
>
> . . . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS
> . . . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
> . . . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?
>
> From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . .
>
> . . . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.
>
> From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . .
> Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . .
>
> . . . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY
> . . . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
> . . . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.
>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . .
>
> . . . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages
> . . . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
> . . . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
> . . . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
> . . . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
> . . . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
> . . . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
> . . . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
> . . . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
> . . . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
> . . . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."
>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . .
>
> . . . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the
> . . . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
> . . . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
> . . . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
> . . . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
> . . . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
>
> Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . .
>
> Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . .
>
> -Chas. . . .
> __________________________________________ . . .
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . .
>
> [snip] . . .
>
> >
> > You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . .
>
> You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . .
>
> It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . .
>
> It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . .
>
> You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . .
>
> -Chas. . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:
> > > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . .
> > >
> >
> >
> > They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . .
> >
> > No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . .
> >
> > There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . .
> >
>
> [snip your garbage] . . .
>
> So, now you are changing your tune? . . .
>
> It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . .
>
> Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . .
>
> 1. the fact that it has ten worlds ... . .
>
> or . . .
>
> 2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... . .
>
> Here's your problem: . . .
>
> A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . .
>
> B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . .
>
> C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . .
>
> D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . .
>
> Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . .
>
> -Chas. . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .
>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . .
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . .
>
> [snip] . . .
>
> > >
> > > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . .
> > >
> > > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . .
> > >
> > > -Chas. . .
> >
> >
> > On the Treasure Tower . . .
> > https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . .
> > Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . .
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . .
> >
> > Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . .
> >
> > Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . .
> >
>
> This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . .
>
> To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . .
>
> Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . .
>
> Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . .
>
> [snip] . . .
>
> Wake up, dude! . . .
>
> -Chas. . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . .

[Noel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH6LpEYgP8I

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On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:

> > Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is; . . . .
> >
> > "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…" . . . .
> >
> > Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings." . . . .
>
> Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight." That's the quote without the "sic!" . . . .
>
> It is clear by now to everyone that you consider Nichiren Daishonin to be a lesser Buddha and yourself to be a greater one. . . .
>
> Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . . .
>
> But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . . .
> _____________________________________________________ . . . .
>
> Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . . .
>
> Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . . .
>
> One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . . .
>
> From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . . .

> Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . . .
>
> . . . . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS

> . . . . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
> . . . . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?

>
> From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . . .
>
> . . . . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.
>

> From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . . .

> Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . . .
>
> . . . . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY

> . . . . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
> . . . . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . .
>
> . . . . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages

> . . . . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
> . . . . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
> . . . . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
> . . . . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
> . . . . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
> . . . . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
> . . . . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
> . . . . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
> . . . . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
> . . . . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."

>
> From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . .
>
> . . . . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the

> . . . . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
> . . . . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
> . . . . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
> . . . . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
> . . . . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
>
> Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . . .
>
> Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . . .
>
> -Chas. . . . .
> __________________________________________ . . . .
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> >
> > You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . . .
>
> You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . .
>
> It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . . .
>
> It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . . .
>
> You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . . .
>
> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .

>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:

> > > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . . .
> > >
> >
> >
> > They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . . .
> >
> > No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . . .
> >
> > There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . . .
> >
>
> [snip your garbage] . . . .
>
> So, now you are changing your tune? . . . .
>
> It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . .
>
> Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . . .
>
> 1. the fact that it has ten worlds ... . . .
>
> or . . . .
>
> 2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... . . .
>
> Here's your problem: . . . .
>
> A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . .
>
> B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . .
>
> C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . . .
>
> D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . . .
>
> Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . . .
>
> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .
>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . .
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> > >
> > > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . . .
> > >
> > > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . . .
> > >
> > > -Chas. . . .
> >
> >
> > On the Treasure Tower . . . .
> > https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . . .
> > Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . . .
> >
> > Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . . .
> >
> > Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . . .
> >
>
> This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . . .
>
> To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . . .
>
> Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . . .
>
> Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . . .
>
> [snip] . . . .
>
> Wake up, dude! . . . .
>
> -Chas. . . .
> ___________________________________________________________ . . . .

[Chas.]

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:

> Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is; . . . . .
>
> "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…" . . . . .
>
> Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings." . . . . .

Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight." That's the quote without the "sic!" . . . . .

It is clear by now to everyone that you consider Nichiren Daishonin to be a lesser Buddha and yourself to be a greater one. . . . .

Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . . . .

But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . . . .
_____________________________________________________ . . . . .

Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . . . .

Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . . . .

One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . . . .

From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . . . .

Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . . . .

. . . . . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS

. . . . . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
. . . . . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?

From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . . . .

. . . . . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.

From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . . . .

Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . . . .

. . . . . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY

. . . . . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
. . . . . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.

From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . . .

. . . . . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages

. . . . . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
. . . . . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
. . . . . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
. . . . . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
. . . . . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
. . . . . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
. . . . . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
. . . . . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
. . . . . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
. . . . . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."

From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . . .

. . . . . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the

. . . . . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
. . . . . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
. . . . . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
. . . . . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
. . . . . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.

Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . . . .

Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . . . .

-Chas. . . . . .
__________________________________________ . . . . .

On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . . .

[snip] . . . . .

>
> You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . . . .

You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . .

It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . . . .

It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . . . .

You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . . . .

-Chas. . . . .

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On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:

> > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . . . .
> >
>
>
> They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . . . .
>
> No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . . . .
>
> There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . . . .
>

[snip your garbage] . . . . .

So, now you are changing your tune? . . . . .

It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . .

Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . . . .

1. the fact that it has ten worlds ... . . . .

or . . . . .

2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... . . . .

Here's your problem: . . . . .

A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . .

B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . .

C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . . . .

D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . . . .

Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . . . .

-Chas. . . . .

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On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . . .
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . . . .

[snip] . . . . .

> >
> > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . . . .
> >
> > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . . . .

> >
> > -Chas. . . . .
>
>

> On the Treasure Tower . . . . .
> https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . . . .
> Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . . . .
>
>
>
> Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . . . .
>
> Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . . . .
>
> Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . . . .
>

This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . . . .

To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . . . .

Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . . . .

Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . . . .

[snip] . . . . .

Wake up, dude! . . . . .

-Chas. . . . .

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[marika]

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:
> > Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is; . . . . .
> >
> > "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…" . . . . .
> >
> > Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings." . . . . .
>
> Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight."

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[Noel]

Regarding this, the SGI website 'gakkaionline' reads:
"The characters that do not appear on the Nichikan Gohonzon include Devadatta, representing Hell; Ashura, representing Anger; and the Wheel-Turning Kings, representing Humanity. These characters are missing on about half of the Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin himself. After the Daishonin died, the successive high priests exercised their own judgment in deciding what names to include on the Gohonzon they transcribed.”

As far as I can see comparing it to other Ten Worlds Gohonzons; it doesn’t have Sharihotsu (Nijo, Voice Hearer, Realization) or the Dragon daughter; although the Ten Demon Daughters are there!*?! I would have thought this to be of some concern – the whole idea being to subdue the dominant negative life conditions with ‘Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo-Nichiren’ – so at least in theory; all those whose lives are predominantly blighted by the worlds of Devadatta (HELL) Ashura (ANGER), the Wheel-Turning Kings, representing (HUMANITY); Sharihotsu (Nijo, Voice Hearer, REALIZATION) and the Dragon daughter; in all these worlds, the Nichikan Gohonzon is somewhat lacking? The big question must be whether it would be more difficult to manifest the ‘Pure Aspect’ for someone blighted by those ‘omitted’ worlds – which indeed most of us are!*?!
Regarding the above; Tetsujo Kubota wrote 'In The Object of Worship of the Original Doctrine';
"With the passage of time in the Bun'ei (1263-1274), Kenji (1275-1277), and Koan (1278-1282) periods Nichiren inscribed the Mandalas at various times in all sorts of forms, the Abbreviated Style, the Quintessential Style and the Expanded Style.

The Abbreviated Style consists of the Title ("Namu Myoho renge kyo"), the Two Buddhas Shakya and Taho with the Two Spell Kings (Myo), Fudo and Aizen, in Sanskrit characters.

The Quintessential Style means he added the Four Bodhisattvas.

The Expanded Style means the whole of the Ten Worlds are included.”

The problem lay when the SGI was first excommunicated since they had their backs to the wall when the Nichikan Gohonzon was offered – and at the time it was the answer to the SGI’s prayers.

The other big question must be from where did the Nichiren Shoshu’s 'thinking' originate that its perfectly acceptable to transcribe Gohonzons with so many ‘worlds’ missing? And indeed why is the Soka Gakkai allowing itself to follow nst over this, when its so blatantly obvious that so much of their policy is wrong? It is of my firm belief that Gohonzons missing characters are an unbalanced representation of the workings of life. Indeed why did Nichiren go to all the trouble of finalising his Gohonzons in the 'Expanded Style'?

But this has more to do with sectarian authority and expression of an ideology – rather than the correct emphasis on transcribing Gohonzons as Nichiren finally laid out? Earlier Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren did have different compositions, reflecting an emphasis of one aspect or another addressing the specific spiritual needs of a ‘given’ recipient, but in the end Nichiren decided on the full blown version of the 'Ten Worlds Expanded Style'.
Indeed most of his Gohonzons from at least 1279 reflected this wisdom.

But after Nichiren passed, it seems various High Priests selected and omitted characters on their transcriptions to express their own emphasis and thinking. So in view of the fact that Nichikan was such a purist in following Nichiren, it is very odd to find such a Gohonzon transcribed by him? MBB.C

[Chas.]

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Noel wrote:

> Indeed, the official SGI position regarding the Gohonzon is; . . . . . .
>
> "Even though a Gohonzon is a Gohonzon, the source is important. We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings. In Letter to the Lay Priest Ichinosawa, the Daishonin states, If [sic!] the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear…" . . . . . .
>
> Phew! Regarding the above, firstly a Gohonzon is not just "a Gohonzon"! And secondly, the SGI without realising it makes reference to itself when it says, "We should be aware of those offering Gohonzon and teachings under the guise of Nichiren Buddhism but who are, in fact, propagating views that distort Daishonin’s teachings." . . . . . .

Shows just how much you hate Nichiren Daishonin's words. "If the source is muddy, the stream will not flow clear; if the body is bent, the shadow will not be straight." That's the quote without the "sic!" . . . . . .

It is clear by now to everyone that you consider Nichiren Daishonin to be a lesser Buddha and yourself to be a greater one. . . . . .

Trump Rule #1: When what you have been spouting for years is revealed to all to be utter nonsense, you can always change the subject to fear and loathing of something else, better if it is something loathed and fearful. . . . . .

But that doe NOT mean that anyone forgets your stupid nonsense or that you recite the Law in reverse order: Noelism Is Mutually Exclusive With All Other Sanghas . . . . . .
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Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories ARE STILL The Stupidest Ideas, Ever + . . . . . .

Not a single line or word of that Lotus Sutra quote supports any of your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories, Noel. Neither does any line quoted from the Gosho Zenshu. . . . . .

One more time, there is absolutely no substantiation of any kind of your Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories, in the Gosho, the Lotus Sutra or anywhere else. I have several direct quotes stating why you should reject this kind of garbage, unsubstantiated by even a single quote from the teachings or writings: . . . . . .

From "Questions and Answers about Embracing the Lotus . . . . . .

Sutra", WND I, p. 56: . . . . . .

. . . . . . If we MERELY RELY UPON THE COMMENTARIES OF VARIOUS TEACHERS

. . . . . . AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE STATEMENTS OF THE BUDDHA HIMSELF,
. . . . . . then how can we call our beliefs Buddhism?

From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I, p. 692: . . . . . .

. . . . . . RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.

From "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain . . . . . .

Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 872: . . . . . .

. . . . . . The meaning of this passage is that ONE SHOULD NOT RELY

. . . . . . UPON THE WORDS OF THE BODHISATTVAS AND TEACHERS, BUT SHOULD
. . . . . . HEED WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUDDHA.

From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . . . .

. . . . . . Bodhisattva Nagarjuna in his Commentary on the Ten Stages

. . . . . . Sutra states, "DO NOT RELY ON TREATISES THAT DISTORT THE
. . . . . . SUTRAS; RELY ON THOSE THAT ARE FAITHFUL TO THE SUTRAS." The
. . . . . . Great Teacher T'ien-t'ai says, "THAT WHICH ACCORDS WITH THE
. . . . . . SUTRAS IS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND MADE AVAILABLE. BUT PUT NO
. . . . . . FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT IN WORD OR MEANING FAILS TO DO SO."
. . . . . . The Great Teacher Dengyo says, "DEPEND UPON THE PREACHINGS
. . . . . . OF THE BUDDHA, AND DO NOT PUT FAITH IN TRADITIONS HANDED
. . . . . . DOWN ORALLY." Enchin, also known as the Great Teacher
. . . . . . Chisho, says, "IN TRANSMITTING THE TEACHINGS, RELY ON THE
. . . . . . WRITTEN WORDS [OF SCRIPTURES]."

From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263: . . . . . .

. . . . . . "NOT RELYING UPON PERSONS" means that when persons of the

. . . . . . first, second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though
. . . . . . they are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and
. . . . . . Manjushri who have attained the stage of near-perfect
. . . . . . enlightenment, IF THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN
. . . . . . HAND, THEN THEY ARE NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.

Clearly, nothing in Noel's Low-Function Versus High-Function Gohonzon Theories should be heeded by anyone. . . . . .

Furthermore, whatever flak he fires into the air to cover up this fact, is just more crapola freight on Noel's crazy train. . . . . .

-Chas. . . . . . .
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On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:15:50 AM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . . . .

[snip] . . . . . .

>
> You get it right on some things but when it comes to Gohonzon from where I see it you fail to grasp what I've been saying and have become confused by taking out of context what has been shared because of your preconceived fixed ideas of the nature of Gohonzons and I can see that your mentor Ikeda shares in the blame for that . . . . . .

You got your crazy Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories along with the downloaded printout of a pirated stolen Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon from the traitorous priests of Nichiren Shu who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin after his death by distorting his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatry cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus Christ, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . . .

It's a package deal wrapped up in complicity with traitors, which is why you hate the Kosen Rufu movement so much. . . . . .

It's simply cause and effect. And it's also why you will never go beyond theoretical ichinen sanzen, simply reading off the names of what you think are the ten worlds on your Gohonzon, instead of perceiving actual ichinen sanzen in the mirror of a non-stolen Gohonzon. . . . . .

You cannot slander the Gohonzon and receive inconspicuous benefits from it simultaneously, because the law of cause and effect is written down the middle of it. . . . . .

-Chas. . . . . .

___________________________________________________________ . . . . . .

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote:

> > Another nonsense pile of lies from Noel who hates and despises Nichiren Daishonin through his Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon theories that brand the Daishonin as careless, irresponsible and uncompassionate, by distributing lesser Gohonzon to his most loyal followers and high function ten world Gohonzon only to the very last of his followers to show up: . . . . . .
> >
>
>
> They all worked in Nichiren's Day but he left 10 world Gohonzons for the people in the age of Mappo that were identical with his life, not dysfunctional SGI Nichikan Gohonzons and we can all see as proof of their practice by a what mess the Soka Gakkai and its offspring are in . . . . . .
>
> No matter how high our cultivated state of the 10 worlds maybe we are all Beings that have the potential to fall/regress and Nichiren's layout in his 10 world Gohonzons bare witness to that fact otherwise what would the great Transformer Myoho Renge Kyo be doing in smack bang in the middle of all that...its pretty self explanatory if we think about it because it's staring us in the face except for the SGI's Nichikan Gohonzon that has only 5 Beings representing the 5 worlds which tell only half the story which is a distortion of the truth. The SGI falsely states that their Gohonzon is a ten world Gohonzon . . . . . .
>
> There are different schools of thought among Nichiren Buddhists that do not agree on a final evolution of an individuals cultivated state that lasts for all eternity however we all agree on the mutual possessions of the ten worlds that means we don't have to be a cultivated Buddha like Shakyamuni who's dominant life condition was that of Buddha to experience that enlightened state. . . . . . .
>

[snip your garbage] . . . . . .

So, now you are changing your tune? . . . . . .

It is not the ten-world character of the Gohonzon that satisfies your collector fetish, it is the fact that it is an authentic Nichiren Daishonin printout of a pirate downloaded image of a stolen Gohonzon, obtained from the source of the Nichiren Shu traitorous priests who betrayed Nichiren Daishonin immediately after his death to distort his Buddhism into a statue-worshiping idolatrous cult falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah. . . . . .

Either your collector's fetish is turned on by: . . . . . .

1. the fact that it has ten worlds ... . . . . .

or . . . . . .

2. the fact that it is authentically inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... . . . . .

Here's your problem: . . . . . .

A. if it is #1, but not #2, then the Denpo Gohonzon would be great and your whole prancing around waving your authentic Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . . .

B. if it is #2, but not #1, then any Nichiren Daishonin Gohonzon is great, and your whole prancing around waving your ten world Gohonzon collection is an egoistic dance of the foolish, and well ... completely erroneous. . . . . .

C. if it is both #1 and #2, then Nichiren Daishonin and Nikko Shonin have demonstrated their utter lack of compassion in not informing us of this critical discernment regarding Gohonzon power, and now Noel Buddhism is the true way for everyone to practice and Noel is the Compassionate Buddha of True Gohonzon Discernment for the Latter Day of the Law, and Nichiren Daishonin's teachings should be abandoned as neither complete, not final. . . . . .

D. if it is neither #1 nor #2, then Noel is the fraud and will surely not escape his just punishment for assailing the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law as neither being compassionate, nor competent. . . . . .

Get my drift, Noel? You have to choose who is the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, you or Nichiren Daishonin. You cannot have this both ways and there are no other combinations of these points you have made, only 4 possible combinations. . . . . .

-Chas. . . . . .

___________________________________________________________ . . . . . .

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM UTC-8, Noel wrote: . . . . . .
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:11:35 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote: . . . . . .

[snip] . . . . . .

> >
> > And lacking ANY SUPPORT WHATSOEVER, from the Gosho Zenshu for your inane theories is what prevents you from listening to the worlds of Nichiren Daishonin and the Gosho that call the Gohonzon, not the ten-world Gohonzon, or only Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin ... the Gohonzon is "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa." . . . . . .
> >
> > How could a Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law miss that critical point, unless the point is simply the purest horse apples lying in the dust. . . . . .

> >
> > -Chas. . . . . .
>
>

> On the Treasure Tower . . . . . .
> https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/31 . . . . . .
> Faith like yours is so extremely rare that I will inscribe the treasure tower especially for you. You must never transfer it to anyone but your son. You must never show it to others unless they have steadfast faith. This is the reason for my advent in this world. . . . . .
>
>
>
> Can you see Chas that in the second year of Kōan (1279), cyclical sign tsuchinoto-u was the time when Nichiren first started inscribing 10 world Gohonzons which Nichiren realized that he fulfilled the purpose of his advent . . . . . .
>
> Nichiren says On the Treasure Tower Gosho (1272), cyclical sign mizunoe-saru that the reason for his advent in this world was to inscribe Script Mandalas and 7 years later On Persecutions Befalling the Sage he says "for me it took twenty-seven years, and the great persecutions I faced during this period are well known to you all. In the 2,230 and more years since the Buddha’s passing, Nichiren is the only person in the entire land of Jambudvīpa who has fulfilled the Buddha’s words" . . . . . .
>
> Its clear as an unmuddied lake to me what Nichiren is saying here but if you want to stir up the mud and obscure clarity well then be on your head shall befuddlement stay . . . . . .
>

This is all the weakest of inferences on your part, Noel. . . . . .

To leave such an important aspect of Gohonzon to need to be inferred by someone so much later, would be the summit of incompetence and neglect. . . . . .

Your Low-Function versus High-Function Gohonzon Weak Inferences require the height of neglect and incompetence of Nichiren Daishonin for your inferences to hold. . . . . .

Nichiren Daishonin went on and on about all the crucial aspects of his practice of the Lotus Sutra, Noel, such as avoiding all forms of slander of the Law in Goshos like "Letter to Akimoto" and "The Fourteen Slanders." He literally SIMPLY COULD NOT HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE GOHONZON, NOEL! . . . . . .

[snip] . . . . . .

Wake up, dude! . . . . . .

-Chas. . . . . .

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