Why not study Ichinen Sanzen?
Mark P.
core priciple to True Buddhism. Is it hard? Yes. Does it take
intelligience? No!
In fact, the priciple is so hard to grasp that it can only be
understood if you chant to understand it, and even then you get just a
little piece at a time. But these little pieces of understanding add
up over time and enable a person to comprehend Buddhism as a whole.
An excerpt from "The Doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen"
http://www.nsglobalnet.jp/page/d_and_p/chapter_18.htm, reads:
"Nichiren Daishonin says in the Gosho, "The True Object of Worship":
When he finally revealed in the "Great Concentration and Insight"
(Maka shikan) the way to perceive the true nature of life, he at the
same time used the "three thousand realms" as a way to understand it.
This is the ultimate truth of his teachings.(Gosho, p.645)
Thus, Ichinen sanzen is the ultimate principle of Buddhism and the
ultimate truth of the Lotus Sutra."
Whether or not the study of ichinen sanzen is what leads to
Buddhahood, making excuses for not studying it certainly doesn't
either. The fact is that the study of ichinen sanzen leads to
increased faith, so it cannot be a bad thing, and obviously our
priesthood studies it or they couldn't write their sermons.
Mark Porter
"The mirror of our mind and the mirror of the Buddha's mind are in fact the same mirror."
Try the new refined search feature on 175 Gosho at
http://perltng.com/lotus/
robek
Mark P. wrote:
> Someone please tell me why people make excuses for not studying the
> core priciple to True Buddhism. Is it hard? Yes. Does it take
> intelligience? No!
> In fact, the priciple is so hard to grasp that it can only be
> understood if you chant to understand it, and even then you get just a
> little piece at a time. But these little pieces of understanding add
> up over time and enable a person to comprehend Buddhism as a whole.
>
> An excerpt from "The Doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen"
> http://www.nsglobalnet.jp/page/d_and_p/chapter_18.htm, reads:
>
> "Nichiren Daishonin says in the Gosho, "The True Object of Worship":
>
> When he finally revealed in the "Great Concentration and Insight"
> (Maka shikan) the way to perceive the true nature of life, he at the
> same time used the "three thousand realms" as a way to understand it.
> This is the ultimate truth of his teachings.(Gosho, p.645)
>
> Thus, Ichinen sanzen is the ultimate principle of Buddhism and the
> ultimate truth of the Lotus Sutra."
>
> Whether or not the study of ichinen sanzen is what leads to
> Buddhahood, making excuses for not studying it certainly doesn't
> either. The fact is that the study of ichinen sanzen leads to
> increased faith, so it cannot be a bad thing, and obviously our
> priesthood studies it or they couldn't write their sermons.
Most who post here have no interest in discussing the Dharma. Try
Will's list, or the Indy lists.
r
Michael Cody
You mean reading your "teachings". You have no interest in discussing
*anything*.
Try
> Will's list, or the Indy lists.
>
> r
Will's list, thanks to you and Brian, *is* an Indy list.
Cody
robek
Michael Cody wrote:
> > ``````````````````````````````````````````
> > Most who post here have no interest in discussing the Dharma.
>
> You mean reading your "teachings". You have no interest in discussing
> *anything*.
>
> Try
> > Will's list, or the Indy lists.
> >
> > r
>
> Will's list, thanks to you and Brian, *is* an Indy list.
>
> Cody
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If you have no interest in discussing the Dharma, I respect that. I am
just saying there are people at the SGI list who are interested. Mark
might find a more receptive audience.
r
dere...@netscape.net
robek wrote:
> > Will's list, thanks to you and Brian, *is* an Indy list.
> >
> > Cody
> `````````````````````````````````
> If you have no interest in discussing the Dharma, I respect that. I am
> just saying there are people at the SGI list who are interested. Mark
> might find a more receptive audience.
Versus:
"...this was likely a harrassment qestion, not a sincere effort at
dialogue. I tend to pre-suppose good will in others. Silly me. I see
no reason to respond further to you or Cody, and spin that any way that
pleases you." Robin Beck, ARBN 12/9/05
Derek Juhl
Michael Cody
> Michael Cody wrote:
>
>
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>>>Most who post here have no interest in discussing the Dharma.
>>
>>You mean reading your "teachings". You have no interest in discussing
>>*anything*.
>>
>> Try
>>
>>>Will's list, or the Indy lists.
>>>
>>>r
>>
>>Will's list, thanks to you and Brian, *is* an Indy list.
>>
>>Cody
>
> `````````````````````````````````
> If you have no interest in discussing the Dharma, I respect that.
I never said that.
> I am
> just saying there are people at the SGI list who are interested.
I know. I added that the SGI list is an Indy list, thanks to you, Brian,
Andy, the fake NShu priest, "Ryuei" et al, something you dodged.
Mark
> might find a more receptive audience.
>
> r
Mark is an NST member. There's no one on that list that would be
receptive to him because, like you, they have all been brainwashed by
the SGI Ikeda Cult to hate Nichiren Shoshu.
Cody
Michael Cody
Poor Robin, so confused. One would think he's been running round in
circles or something.
Cody
Chris
Mark P. wrote:
> Someone please tell me why people make excuses for not studying the
> core priciple to True Buddhism. Is it hard? Yes. Does it take
> intelligience? No!
> In fact, the priciple is so hard to grasp that it can only be
> understood if you chant to understand it, and even then you get just a
> little piece at a time. But these little pieces of understanding add
> up over time and enable a person to comprehend Buddhism as a whole.
>
> An excerpt from "The Doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen"
> http://www.nsglobalnet.jp/page/d_and_p/chapter_18.htm, reads:
I think you have a point here.
Chris
Yelps
"Chris" <chris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It is a mistaken point, I once thought was true 40 years ago, before I
understood that study can never convey what real enlightenment is, nor is it
a requirement and that 98% of the people in the world are not wired that way
to begin with and never will be. It is not a requirement.
Buddhism is about THAT 98%!!!
You wanna fit a round peg into a square hole? be my guest...but one of
those 98% will look at what you are doing and think you are an idiot.
dc
Mark P.
>I think you have a point here.
>
Yes, because no matter what others think about whether you need to
understand at least the basics of ichinen sanzen to attain
enlightenment, the fact is that the understanding of it leads to
increased faith. There is no justifiable reason to put it off.
Chris
that?
Chris
I've thought I understood Ichinen Sanzen thoroughly at some 3 points in
my career. Now I realize how much I don't understand Ichinen Sanzen,
which itself is a kind of enlightenment -- but no where near "final
enlightenment."
Chris
Yelps wrote:
> "Chris" <chris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1134319093.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Mark P. wrote:
> >> Someone please tell me why people make excuses for not studying the
> >> core priciple to True Buddhism. Is it hard? Yes. Does it take
> >> intelligience? No!
> >> In fact, the priciple is so hard to grasp that it can only be
> >> understood if you chant to understand it, and even then you get just a
> >> little piece at a time. But these little pieces of understanding add
> >> up over time and enable a person to comprehend Buddhism as a whole.
> >>
> >> An excerpt from "The Doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen"
> >> http://www.nsglobalnet.jp/page/d_and_p/chapter_18.htm, reads:
> > I think you have a point here.
> It is a mistaken point, I once thought was true 40 years ago, before I
> understood that study can never convey what real enlightenment is, nor is it
> a requirement and that 98% of the people in the world are not wired that way
> to begin with and never will be. It is not a requirement.
Chris;
It is a starting point Dave.
Dave:
> Buddhism is about THAT 98%!!!
Indeed.
Dave:
> You wanna fit a round peg into a square hole? be my guest...but one of
> those 98% will look at what you are doing and think you are an idiot.
I guess that makes him one of the 1%. But it's you trying to fit
everyone into the same sized holes Dave.
Chris
Yelps
> Yelps, your version of Buddhism is warmed over Shingon. Did you know
> that?
Thats absurd, You haven't a clue what "Shingon" is and how you are playing
right into it.
dc
Yelps
No Chris. Buddhism is not about book learnin'
dc
Michael Cody
> "Chris" <chris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1134400793.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Yelps, your version of Buddhism is warmed over Shingon. Did you know
>>that?
>
>
>
> Thats absurd, You haven't a clue what "Shingon" is and how you are playing
> right into it.
>
> dc
You're right, Yelper, you're more like a *Klingon* than anything religious.
Cody
Mark P.
>Well Mark, Ichinen Sanzen makes a good starting point for your studies.
>I've thought I understood Ichinen Sanzen thoroughly at some 3 points in
>my career. Now I realize how much I don't understand Ichinen Sanzen,
>which itself is a kind of enlightenment -- but no where near "final
>enlightenment."
>
Well, thats exactly it. You can never fully understand it until you
achieve Buddhahood, but the small awakenings to it are very rewarding
in themselves. Understanding the nature of life is what Buddhism is
about. The hard part is adopting it into your life. Thats is the
difference between theoretical and actual ichinen sanzen.
Chris
>Well Mark, Ichinen Sanzen makes a good starting point for your studies.
>I've thought I understood Ichinen Sanzen thoroughly at some 3 points in
>my career. Now I realize how much I don't understand Ichinen Sanzen,
>which itself is a kind of enlightenment -- but no where near "final
>enlightenment."
> Well, thats exactly it. You can never fully understand it until you
> achieve Buddhahood, but the small awakenings to it are very rewarding
> in themselves. Understanding the nature of life is what Buddhism is
> about. The hard part is adopting it into your life. Thats is the
> difference between theoretical and actual ichinen sanzen.
I don't think "fully understanding" Ichinen Sanzen, at this point, for
me is even a valid goal. Like Dependent origination itself, the only
thing each realization has given me have been jumping perspectives;
first, an appreciation for both the "elephant" of life -- and the flea
that is me compared to that elephant. Heck the flea on the flea on the
elephant.
next, an appreciation for how "I" myself am an "elephant" compared to
how I conceptualize myself, "I".
and third, an appreciation for the perspective that "I" am a cartoon
compared to the ultimate.
fourth, an appreciation for the cartoonist for his wonderful skill and
sense of humor.
and fifth, the notion that some times "I" am the cartoonist and other
times the cartoon.
Chris with a little humor.
:-)