New York, Nikken Shonin
Terry Berger
What day is he coming, July 19th???
How long is he going to be in New York?
The priests must of told you guys not to talk about it, huh?
Anyone flying to New York to see him?
dannyc, you must be excited, huh?
Is anyone going to be allowed to look him in the eye without keeping your
head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am wrong
about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
Did you guys think, no one was going to mention Nikken Shonin is visiting
New York on about July 19th.
Sincerely
Terry
Cody
"Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Just curious, how is where our High Priest goes any of your concern?
Cody
Cody
"Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> What day is he coming, July 19th???
How is that your concern?
> How long is he going to be in New York?
How is that your concern?
> The priests must of told you guys not to talk about it, huh?
Unlike SGI, we aren't told what to say or not say.
> Anyone flying to New York to see him?
How is that your concern?
> dannyc, you must be excited, huh?
Unlike SGI, we follow the Law, not the person. We aren't psyched up to get
excited because a leader is coming to town.
> Is anyone going to be allowed to look him in the eye without keeping your
> head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am wrong
> about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
First time I've heard about this. The last time I saw him, I looked him
straight in the eye. Unlike Ikeda, however, he looked back and smiled. Ikeda
can't look ANYONE straight in the eye.
> Did you guys think, no one was going to mention Nikken Shonin is visiting
> New York on about July 19th.
> Sincerely
> Terry
Again, how is it any of your concern?
Cody
Terry Berger
Another discredit lie told by Michael Cody, everyone looks President Ikeda
in the eye and he looks right in everyone's eyes also.
Knock off your ridiculous lies. You absolutely have no credibility. You
are very predictable.
I know your also trying to tell me to mind my own business, but guess what,
I will be interested in anything I want.
So why aren't the temple members talking about it? What is the big secret?
How come he is not coming to Los Angeles, is it because Myohoji might be
closing down?
Sincerely
Terry
"Cody" <nos...@please.com> wrote in message
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Cody
> Cody
> Another discredit lie told by Michael Cody, everyone looks President Ikeda
> in the eye and he looks right in everyone's eyes also.
As if you have ever looked him in the eye. I was with the man many times
and, trust me, he can't look anyone in the eye. Most con artists can't.
> Knock off your ridiculous lies. You absolutely have no credibility. You
> are very predictable.
Ad hominem. Yawn. When are you going to get specific on what lies you say
the www.sg-eye.com web site has? Never?
> I know your also trying to tell me to mind my own business, but guess
what,
> I will be interested in anything I want.
That doesn't answer how it is your business when and where our High Priest
travels. Are you part of the SS priest stalking division, Terry?
> So why aren't the temple members talking about it? What is the big
secret?
This is the first time I've heard of it and I am talking to you about it
today.
> How come he is not coming to Los Angeles, is it because Myohoji might be
> closing down?
> Sincerely
> Terry
You wish. Now, about that kai kan in Houston ... and the new NST facility in
New York when the SGI Ikeda cult members were chanting for the closure of
all the USA temples back in '99 ...
Cody
Terry Berger
Keep trying to convince yourself and the others in the temple that you are
practicing to the Law.
The high priest has made up his own self-asserting rules, high priest
sanctions the enlightenment of the members and the lifeblood of faith is
obeying and believing in the high priest. (100 Questions and Answers
published by Nichiren Shohu in 1996) These arbitrary self-centered
authoritarian rules have nothing to do with True Nichiren Daishonin's
Buddhism.
I know you are not able to see this since you are blinded by this same
nature in yourself. You need to look at it and self-reflect because you
will never be able to change your Karma and also become happy. Practicing
with the priests deceiving you into believing you are practicing True
Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, your life will just continue to get worse and
worse. You will just continue to become more bitter with your bickering,
knowing deep inside you are just trying to make yourself right and you left
True Nichiren Buddhism that creates happiness, peace, and security. Your
happiness depends on whether you can realize this. Open up your mind and
heart and seek the truth, and drop the self satisfied understanding of
Buddhism.
Sincerely
Terry
Cody
Yawn.
You only reveal your amateur ad hominem technique and your total lack of
understanding when it comes to Nichiren Shoshu.
Since I left the SGI Ikeda cult and started practising with the priesthood,
my life has become better than I ever dreamed it could be. I own three
businesses, do what I want to do from the time I wake up until the time I go
to bed. I live the life I love and I love the life I live!
Cody
"Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The Dreaded CRAIG
for a "dialogue!" Who would give this kind of creep the time of day?
dannyc
Ikeda came to NY.
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:56:00 GMT, "Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
:I am amazed no one is talking about it in arbn.
:
:
The Dreaded CRAIG
excitement and anticipation of the high priest coming to our country.
BTW Teery- I heard that the fatnman cult leader Ikeda is scared to
come to America because he doesn't want to risk facing one of the
many thousands of "independents" that his cult has spawned filtering
into one of his invitation-only meetings. So, the Ikedabots are all
chanting their little heads off, hoping they can somehow influence him.
What a waste of time. They guy can hardly get around anymore as
it is, so why should he have to face up to the difficult questions and
angry faces of those who await him? I know Lisa Jones would love
to talk to him face to face. Too bad it's never going to be
http://www.buddhajones.com/SGI/NewsJuly03.html
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:56:00 GMT, "Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote:
"If we can exert a billion lifetimes of painstaking effort in a single moment then for
certain we can experience the full-blown Buddhahood that Mr. Ikeda enjoys."
Public statement by Salem Don on the SGI yahoo board
"Sometimes we find it very difficult to chant to find our Buddhahood.
Buddhahood can be so undefinable. But I have heard of several women who chant
instead to support and protect Sensei or to have the same heart as Sensei.
This allows them to believe in themselves and this helps them believe in
their Buddhahood. If the word Buddhahood is too vague or maybe idealistic
then try chanting to have Sensei's spirit: to be a real disciple of Sensei."
SGI Trets Womens Division Leaders Training Course October 2001
"Expand the heart, prize it open and let your heart connect with Sensei's
heart. His heart is big enough to encompass the whole world and everything in
it. By making your connection with his heart and keeping it strong everyday,
you begin to sense the immense richness of your life."
SGI Trets Womens Division Leaders Training Course October 2001
"Didn't anyone tell you that 'no prayer is unanswered?' They should have.
Pray to visit President Ikeda in a dream. That's all. Anyone can do it.
What's so difficult about that? Then maybe you wouldn't spend so much time
minimizing the reality of Mr. Ikeda, 'the most important person in the
future history of the earth' or lamenting that he is inaccessable."
Salem Don
"Actually, I've visited President Ikeda in a dream or two. I also
communicated to him once without saying a word. Whatever personal
meaning I may have found in these communications, I doubt he has even
noticed"
Chris Holte
Kurt
Cr...@nospam.com (The Dreaded CRAIG) wrote:
> Unlike the followers of Ikeda, we do not pee our pants in
> excitement and anticipation of the high priest coming to our country.
> BTW Teery- I heard that the fatnman cult leader Ikeda is scared to
> come to America because he doesn't want to risk facing one of the
> many thousands of "independents" that his cult has spawned filtering
> into one of his invitation-only meetings. So, the Ikedabots are all
> chanting their little heads off, hoping they can somehow influence him.
> What a waste of time. They guy can hardly get around anymore as
> it is, so why should he have to face up to the difficult questions and
> angry faces of those who await him? I know Lisa Jones would love
> to talk to him face to face. Too bad it's never going to be
> http://www.buddhajones.com/SGI/NewsJuly03.html
>
Not only that, the only reason SGI militants like Terry gleefully want
the High Priest in town is so they can put another SGI spy operation
into play.
I remember the Culture Center vans staked out at LAX in '94 or 95 for a
large gathering of priests here in LA. The SGI knew everything- priests
itinerary, schedules, it was ultra creepy (and sick).
A prominent SGIUSA Culture Center staffer freely acknowldeged this to my
wife when confronted. "We need to know what the priests are up to."
Kurt
"Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Cody
> Another discredit lie told by Michael Cody, everyone looks President Ikeda
> in the eye and he looks right in everyone's eyes also.
> Knock off your ridiculous lies. You absolutely have no credibility. You
> are very predictable.
> I know your also trying to tell me to mind my own business, but guess what,
> I will be interested in anything I want.
> So why aren't the temple members talking about it? What is the big secret?
> How come he is not coming to Los Angeles, is it because Myohoji might be
> closing down?
> Sincerely
> Terry
Now you've gone from tolerable to now being to just plain creepy.
Seriously, do you have a life outside the SGI?
Kurt
"Cody" <nos...@please.com> wrote:
Considering that Myohoji just renovated our Main Hall's carpet and
seating, Terry is now being just desparate.
Bluediamondforme
From: "Cody" nos...@please.com
Date: 0913Jul2003 12:59 AM
Message-id: <beglmf$4trfc$1...@ID-137389.news.dfncis.de>
Cody
Actually Cody, everything your HP does is our concern. Wanna know why? Well,
I'll tell you. Because everything Pres. Ikeda does and says, you all feel is
your concern so everything Nikken says and does is our concern.
Bridgett
>>
Bluediamondforme
Message-id: <begm06$4rrit$1...@ID-137389.news.dfncis.de>
"Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I am amazed no one is talking about it in arbn.
> What day is he coming, July 19th???
How is that your concern?
> How long is he going to be in New York?
How is that your concern?
> The priests must of told you guys not to talk about it, huh?
Unlike SGI, we aren't told what to say or not say.
> Anyone flying to New York to see him?
How is that your concern?
> dannyc, you must be excited, huh?
Unlike SGI, we follow the Law, not the person. We aren't psyched up to get
excited because a leader is coming to town.
> Is anyone going to be allowed to look him in the eye without keeping your
> head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am wrong
> about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
First time I've heard about this. The last time I saw him, I looked him
straight in the eye. Unlike Ikeda, however, he looked back and smiled. Ikeda
can't look ANYONE straight in the eye.
Uh, not true. I'v seen Pres. Ikeda up close and personal once. It was at a
Sr. Leaders mtg for Hdqs and up levil leaders. He came into the room, did
sansho and turned and walked up and down the room shaking hands, talking to
people, LOOKING THEM STRAIGHT IN THE EYE. When he stopped at me he smiled,
said hello and looked me straight in the eyes while he did this. He stayed
right in front of me for a while. Longer than the rest. During his speech, I
was sitting maybe 3 rows from the front, right next to the aisle and he just
kept looking at me while talking. It's funny because I was going through some
difficult obstacles and Pres. Ikeda's talk seemed to be aimed right at me and
my difficulties. I will say it was amazing and the warmth I felt from his life
has stayed with me all these years.
Bridgett
Bluediamondforme
Date: 0913Jul2003 1:46 AM
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Cody
Another discredit lie told by Michael Cody, everyone looks President Ikeda
in the eye and he looks right in everyone's eyes also.
Knock off your ridiculous lies. You absolutely have no credibility. You
are very predictable.
I know your also trying to tell me to mind my own business, but guess what,
I will be interested in anything I want.
So why aren't the temple members talking about it? What is the big secret?
How come he is not coming to Los Angeles, is it because Myohoji might be
closing down?
Sincerely
Terry
Hey Terry,
Where did you hear that Myohoji might be closing down?
Bridgett
Bluediamondforme
Date: 0913Jul2003 2:23 AM
Message-id: <begqjl$4t696$1...@ID-137389.news.dfncis.de>
Are you trying to give me some hot shot senior leader guidance?
Yawn.
You only reveal your amateur ad hominem technique and your total lack of
understanding when it comes to Nichiren Shoshu.
Since I left the SGI Ikeda cult and started practising with the priesthood,
my life has become better than I ever dreamed it could be. I own three
businesses, do what I want to do from the time I wake up until the time I go
to bed. I live the life I love and I love the life I live!
Cody
Yeah, Cody owns 3 business. Sure thing. And I own Tiffany's jewelry store.
What Cody does from the time he wakes up until he goes to bed is reload his
hash pipe, which he has said here over and over again on arbn and elsewhere so
it's no secret. While he's hitting the pipe he's surfing the groups looking
for anything he can jump on and does so under fake names. Then he cross posts
from here to there and back to here again. When he's asked not to, his ever so
respectful attitude is F**K off, I'll do what I want.
Bridgett
Bluediamondforme
Date: 0913Jul2003 9:55 AM
Message-id: <abuse-019D57....@news-west.giganews.com>
What a shame Kurt that the Kurt I have heard many good things about lately
doesn't show that here. Maybe arbn is just meant to be the place everyone
shows their most negative side.
Bridgett
>>
The Dreaded CRAIG
>When he's asked not to, his ever so
>respectful attitude is F**K off, I'll do what I want.
>Bridgett
Like this?
"Fuck you too you fucking metal case. Sensei was right all
you fucking assholes should be executed. A bullet through the
skull. I wouldn't even waste a bullet I would kill you with my
bare hands and cut you into little fucking pieces and feed you
to my cat"
Bridgett Cash
"It's funny to watch you be so stupid. Do you even realize how stupid you are?
No, probably not which is why it's so funny"
Bridgett Cash
"I could give a flying fuck what you believe. You and yours can kiss my ass"
Bridgett Cash
"fuck off, fuck off!"
Bridgett Cash
"And cody the dickman(if you have one, not too sure) this
person is a REAL, Practicing Member of your Wonderful t.
And yes, dickmancody, I did insult you."
Bridgett Cash
"I feel perfectly comfortable telling you to fuck off."
Bridgett Cash
"FUCK YOU FUCK THE CHARTER FUCK OFF FUCKING
FUCK YOU FUCK YOUR FUCKING MOTHER FUCK THE WORLD
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK OFF FUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!"
Bridgett Cash
"in case their is any misunderstanding about my words let me clarify things: Fuck off!"
Bridgett Cash
"I am not the least bit sorry I said fuck off to these fucking morons"
Bridgett Cash
" I hope you can take your head out of your ass long enough to count and then I am
sure you'll stick it right back there"
Bridgett Cash
" Are you sexually frustrated there d.j.? Did your hand get tired?"
Bridgett Cash
"I'm still waiting for Cody to post all the obsenity filled posts I have
posted. Again, not the most recent one's where I told you to fuck off, but all
the other profanity ladden one's."
Bridgett Cash
"Oh gee, the gutter of NS is going to give me an award. Well, gee thanks so
very much but you can take your award and stick it up your ass."
Bridgett Cash
"FUCK OFF!"
Bridgett Cash
"How fucking stupid are you"
Bridgett Cash
"I thought I made myself perfectly clear when I said I don't give a rat's ass
what you fucking morons think. You see, cause and effect is very, very strict
and that would explain why my family members are suffering so much now. They
slandered me, and other sincere members with a very strong practice and acted
in ways counter to the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin and, as I knew would
happen, these members are now suffering greatly"
Bridgett Cash
"Fucking twisted, that's what the fuck you are.
Such a fucking asshole. You call yourself a buddhist? Your fucking mental and
they should lock your fucking stupid ass up"
Bridgett Cash, SGI member
"Go ahead and repost 5000 times what I said but I really couldn't care less.
I'm not ashamed or embarrassed by it nor do I regret saying it."
Bridgett Cash
"I would challenge you to prove who is the sleaziest poster here but I
know you haven't got the balls to meet my challenge so I won't bother"
Bridgett Cash
"My children are perfect in every way. However, with all the drugs you and the rest of
the fucking idiot NS members here have indulged in, I would get fixed if I were you.
Of course, D.J. need not apply because last time I checked it takes a man and a woman to
create life. Of course, with all the advancements today maybe D.J. could clone
a child"
Bridgett Cash
"I could give a shit if you believe anything I say."
Bridgett Cash
The Dreaded CRAIG
> Maybe arbn is just meant to be the place everyone
>shows their most negative side.
>Bridgett
Like this?
Kurt
bluediam...@aol.com (Bluediamondforme) wrote:
Sorry that you have a problem with this truth. I was there and had all
this personally confirmed. I can give you a name at the Culture Center.
You have no idea how much the SGI monitors our religion. Being close to
the temple as I am, I do. It's a dark side they'd rather you didn't
know, though to be fair, they do it much more in Japan than here.
I was appalled when I saw it happen and then heard more reports.
I only brought it up because Terry made that post.
Xxxoooxxxooo123
Date: 0913Jul2003 11:38 AM
Message-id: <3f0c6e3a....@news.netnitco.net>
On 09 Jul 2003 18:56:50 GMT, bluediam...@aol.com (Bluediamondforme) wrote:
>When he's asked not to, his ever so
>respectful attitude is F**K off, I'll do what I want.
>Bridgett
Like this?
"Fuck you too you fucking metal case. Sensei was right all
you fucking assholes should be executed. A bullet through the
skull. I wouldn't even waste a bullet I would kill you with my
bare hands and cut you into little fucking pieces and feed you
to my cat"
Bridgett Cash
Actually Craig, I never said this. You said it and put my name at the end.
It's just another one of your many thousands of lies.
Bridgett
Xxxoooxxxooo123
Message-id: <3f0c6f4f....@news.netnitco.net>
The swaggering psycho stalker bluediam...@aol.com (Bluediamondforme)
wrote:
> Maybe arbn is just meant to be the place everyone
>shows their most negative side.
>Bridgett
Like this?
Like I told you before Craig, I did not say these things. You did and forged
my name. A crime, btw. Just like all the other crimes you commit. Man you
must have alot of memory considering how many sig files you keep on people.
Yep, you are a real example of the benefits of being a NS buddhist. Too bad
your not chanting anymore.
Bridgett
Bridgett
SokaGuy
>You have no idea how much the SGI monitors our religion. Being close to
>the temple as I am, I do. It's a dark side they'd rather you didn't
>know, though to be fair, they do it much more in Japan than here.
>I was appalled when I saw it happen and then heard more reports.
>I only brought it up because Terry made that post.
>
Kurt,
I have often wondered but was concerned that it was "none of my business"; why
is it that your wife stayed with SGI? Surely she has the same access to
information you post here?
I am not asking to be a smart ass. I would really like to know. Of course, I
understand if you consider the matter private and that is okay as well.
Take Care,
Craig F.
The Dreaded CRAIG
> bluediam...@aol.com (Bluediamondforme) wrote:
>> Not only that, the only reason SGI militants like Terry gleefully want
>> the High Priest in town is so they can put another SGI spy operation
>> into play.
>> I remember the Culture Center vans staked out at LAX in '94 or 95 for a
>> large gathering of priests here in LA. The SGI knew everything- priests
>> itinerary, schedules, it was ultra creepy (and sick).
>> A prominent SGIUSA Culture Center staffer freely acknowldeged this to my
>> wife when confronted. "We need to know what the priests are up to."
> What a shame Kurt that the Kurt I have heard many good things about lately
> doesn't show that here. Maybe arbn is just meant to be the place everyone
> shows their most negative side.
> Bridgett<<<
>Sorry that you have a problem with this truth. I was there and had all
>this personally confirmed. I can give you a name at the Culture Center.
>You have no idea how much the SGI monitors our religion. Being close to
>the temple as I am, I do. It's a dark side they'd rather you didn't
>know, though to be fair, they do it much more in Japan than here.
>I was appalled when I saw it happen and then heard more reports.
>I only brought it up because Terry made that post.
In the Soka Cult, "being negative" means saying anything about the cult
that is not complimentary, even if it's the truth. It's the same way they
deal with the reports from the major news media and even the US
congress concerning the cult- they simply attack the messenger as
being mean spirited and "negative" instead of dealing with the facts.
People like Teery and Bridget "are" the SGI just like the cult likes to
put it when they speak of the "SGI family." It's the result of years of
brainwashing
C
"I could write a book about some of the treatment I've experienced in SGI.
I could write how I was slandered, ignored, yelled at, berated, insulted
and attacked by authoritarian leaders in this organization. It would make
most of your 'bad' experiences seem like a tea party"
Paul Wersant, at the happy zadankai board #6759
"Paul can't tell friends from enemies, and if you aren't completely behind
him he seems to think you are his enemy."
Chris Holte discusses Paul Wersant's problem
"A lot of the "Temple
Issue" has resulted in foolhardy and embarrassing displays of bombast
and rhetoric, or incited crazy or demented people (in Japan mostly)
to take actions ranging from harrassing people seeking to attend a
funeral to setting fires. From altering photos to talking about
"crushing Nikken".
Chris Holte
"I haven't burnt incense or offered greens in over a month.
I do the Hoben and Juryo in a long or short format as time permits."
Paul Wersant
Xxxoooxxxooo123
Message-id: <abuse-C681A5....@news-west.giganews.com>
Actually Kurt, I do believe you to a point. I beleive that SGI monitors NS
just like NS monitors SGI. I also believe that it does happen more in Japan
than here. Most people I know really could care less about the whole split
thing and everything connected to it. Most members I know dislike SS and want
no part in it. Myself included. What I am speaking of is the namecalling and
slander coming from Craig and Cody that you never comment on. By your silence
it seems you approve of it. If you don't speak out man.
Take care,
Bridgett
>>
The Dreaded CRAIG
>"Fuck you too you fucking metal case. Sensei was right all
>you fucking assholes should be executed. A bullet through the
>skull. I wouldn't even waste a bullet I would kill you with my
>bare hands and cut you into little fucking pieces and feed you
>to my cat"
>Bridgett Cash
>
>Actually Craig, I never said this. You said it and put my name at the end.
>It's just another one of your many thousands of lies.
>Bridgett
You didn't? OK, I'm game. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and
take your word for it, and I'll even apologise for the error. But that
doesn't do much good since all the rest of these are yours, and
a google search can verify that. So next time somebody gets a bit
testy with you, just go look in the mirror first before criticising them
straight away for being too "negative"
Xxxoooxxxooo123
Date: 0913Jul2003 12:00 PM
Message-id: <20030709160004...@mb-m17.aol.com>
Kurt wrote:
Kurt,
Take Care,
Craig F.
I agree with you Craig that it would normally be a private matter but Kurt has
commented on it publically. I think it shows how committed Kurt and his wife
are to each other and their marriage. I think it shows how much they love each
other that they coexist peacefully and stay centered on each other and their
marriage and leave this issue out of it. I myself respect this alot.
Bridgett
>>
The Dreaded CRAIG
>Like I told you before Craig, I did not say these things. You did and forged
>my name. A crime, btw. Just like all the other crimes you commit. Man you
>must have alot of memory considering how many sig files you keep on people.
>Yep, you are a real example of the benefits of being a NS buddhist. Too bad
>your not chanting anymore.
>Bridgett
>Bridgett
Like I said- you can take the culty out of the cult, but you can't take
the cult out of the culty. Your posts read almost exactly like the kachiyuke,
watchbuddh and other gak propaganda websites. Nothing but personal attacks,
accusations of imaginary "crimes" and finally a conclusion that it's all due to
being a Nichiren Shoshu Buddhists. You should write for the World fibber.
When Lisa Jones left them, they lost most of their creative writing skill. Maybe
you can fill that void for them.
Cody
"Bluediamondforme" <bluediam...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030709144059...@mb-m05.aol.com...
Um, again you're wrong. I don't care whether Ikeda visits SGI members. I
don't care when Ikeda visits his kids. I do care when he finances sleazy
lies. See the difference?
Cody
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
>
>
>
Cody
> << Subject: Re: New York, Nikken Shonin
> From: "Terry Berger" terb...@earthlink.net
> Date: 0913Jul2003 1:46 AM
> Message-id: <1wROa.91374$Io.79...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
>
> Cody
> Another discredit lie told by Michael Cody, everyone looks President Ikeda
> in the eye and he looks right in everyone's eyes also.
> Knock off your ridiculous lies. You absolutely have no credibility. You
> are very predictable.
> I know your also trying to tell me to mind my own business, but guess
what,
> I will be interested in anything I want.
> So why aren't the temple members talking about it? What is the big
secret?
> How come he is not coming to Los Angeles, is it because Myohoji might be
> closing down?
> Sincerely
> Terry
>
> Hey Terry,
>
> Where did you hear that Myohoji might be closing down?
>
> Bridgett
He didn't. He lied. Welcome to the Soka World.
Cody
Terry Berger
It was a question not a statement. I don't know if it is that is why I
asked. But the way the attendance has been and the claims of Kurt saying
they don't have enough money especially to translate the most important
writings which are the gosho. It sounds like possibly NST is not
financially viable to exist. One thing I know, is NST is losing a lot of
its membership since people do not feel fulfilled and are not getting
benefit. It makes sense since a temple member has no way of changing their
karma since Nikken Shonin has distorted Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.
These members are not necessarily coming over to True Buddhism with SGI
since they have been lied to about us, but they are leaving after being
around the temple for awhile since they don't feel right or comfortable and
are not getting benefit.
Sincerely
Terry
Terry Berger
Has Bridgett caught you telling falsehoods again?news:20030709145650...@mb-m05.aol.com...
Terry Berger
Don't you have anything better to do with your time then to collect info
about what someone might have said in the past. I do say, "might of said".
Who knows what is true and not true with your malicious nature.
Sincerely
Terry Berger
"The Dreaded CRAIG" <Cr...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3f0c6e3a....@news.netnitco.net...
Terry Berger
I was informed that "the dreaded craig of the wwf" has actually tried to
interfere with meetings of SGI or Pres Ikeda that he knew about by calling
them and telling them we were a dangerous cult.
That tells the whole story now, since this is why NST kept it so secret
Nikken Shonin is coming to New York.
I guess they thought we would lower ourselves to the same malicious lies
that "the dreaded craig of the wwf" has done.
Sincerely
Terry
"Xxxoooxxxooo123" <xxxooox...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030709155022...@mb-m23.aol.com...
Terry Berger
time of the riots in los angeles when you left in disagreement, that was
your time to persist through your weaknesses and grow tremendously. it
times like that we grow the most if you could have persisted in confronting
your weakness and negativity. it is members who have persisted through
their negativity that have helped SGI to grow into the great self-correcting
world organization we are today.
you were just about to change your karma and you walked away. you will
have to drop all this self-centered importance but you can still come back
to SGI and really change your karma. you will never change your malicious
tendencies in NST since especially that is what you are learning form the
priests. they must think you are wonderful for all the attracts and lies
you spread about SGI, Pres Ikeda, and the SGI members.
sincerely
terry berger
ps -the added "of the wwf" is not meant to disparage or make fun of you, but
I am pointing out how ridiculously vain and arrogant it sounds to name
yourself "the dreaded craig".news:3f0c2c36....@news.netnitco.net...
> Unlike the followers of Ikeda, we do not pee our pants in
> excitement and anticipation of the high priest coming to our country.
> BTW Teery- I heard that the fatnman cult leader Ikeda is scared to
> come to America because he doesn't want to risk facing one of the
> many thousands of "independents" that his cult has spawned filtering
> into one of his invitation-only meetings. So, the Ikedabots are all
> chanting their little heads off, hoping they can somehow influence him.
> What a waste of time. They guy can hardly get around anymore as
> it is, so why should he have to face up to the difficult questions and
> angry faces of those who await him? I know Lisa Jones would love
> to talk to him face to face. Too bad it's never going to be
> http://www.buddhajones.com/SGI/NewsJuly03.html
>
wrote:
> >I am amazed no one is talking about it in arbn.
> >What day is he coming, July 19th???
> >head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am wrong
> >about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
> >New York on about July 19th.
> >Sincerely
> >Terry
>
>
moment then for
> certain we can experience the full-blown Buddhahood that Mr. Ikeda
enjoys."
> Public statement by Salem Don on the SGI yahoo board
>
> "Sometimes we find it very difficult to chant to find our Buddhahood.
> Buddhahood can be so undefinable. But I have heard of several women who
chant
> instead to support and protect Sensei or to have the same heart as Sensei.
> This allows them to believe in themselves and this helps them believe in
> their Buddhahood. If the word Buddhahood is too vague or maybe idealistic
> then try chanting to have Sensei's spirit: to be a real disciple of
Sensei."
> SGI Trets Womens Division Leaders Training Course October 2001
>
> "Expand the heart, prize it open and let your heart connect with Sensei's
> heart. His heart is big enough to encompass the whole world and everything
in
> it. By making your connection with his heart and keeping it strong
everyday,
> you begin to sense the immense richness of your life."
> SGI Trets Womens Division Leaders Training Course October 2001
>
> "Didn't anyone tell you that 'no prayer is unanswered?' They should have.
> Pray to visit President Ikeda in a dream. That's all. Anyone can do it.
> What's so difficult about that? Then maybe you wouldn't spend so much time
> minimizing the reality of Mr. Ikeda, 'the most important person in the
> future history of the earth' or lamenting that he is inaccessable."
> Salem Don
>
> "Actually, I've visited President Ikeda in a dream or two. I also
> communicated to him once without saying a word. Whatever personal
> meaning I may have found in these communications, I doubt he has even
> noticed"
> Chris Holte
>
The Dreaded CRAIG
>"the Dreaded CRAIG of the WWF"
>Don't you have anything better to do with your time then to collect info
>about what someone might have said in the past. I do say, "might of said".
>Who knows what is true and not true with your malicious nature.
>Sincerely
>Terry Berger
Ah! Another happy dialogue from our favourite Ikedabot
The Dreaded CRAIG
http://news.sg-eye.com
http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:24:00 GMT, "Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>the dreaded craig of the wwf
>your arrogance really comes out in your malicious twisted posts. at the
>time of the riots in los angeles when you left in disagreement, that was
>your time to persist through your weaknesses and grow tremendously. it
>times like that we grow the most if you could have persisted in confronting
>your weakness and negativity. it is members who have persisted through
>their negativity that have helped SGI to grow into the great self-correcting
>world organization we are today.
>you were just about to change your karma and you walked away. you will
>have to drop all this self-centered importance but you can still come back
>to SGI and really change your karma. you will never change your malicious
>tendencies in NST since especially that is what you are learning form the
>priests. they must think you are wonderful for all the attracts and lies
>you spread about SGI, Pres Ikeda, and the SGI members.
>sincerely
>terry berger
>ps -the added "of the wwf" is not meant to disparage or make fun of you, but
>I am pointing out how ridiculously vain and arrogant it sounds to name
>yourself "the dreaded craig".
>"The Dreaded CRAIG" <Cr...@nospam.com> wrote in message
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> The high priest has made up his own self-asserting rules, high priest
> sanctions the enlightenment of the members and the lifeblood of faith is
> obeying and believing in the high priest.
"In this sect (Nichiren Shoshu), the Living Essence, Uninterrupted
Light of the Law has been bestowed like the transferal of the water of
the Law from one vessel to another upon each specifically chosen High
Priest in the lineage until the present day. To the last, the True
Buddha is Nichiren Daishonin, and ***we must revere the inner
enlightenment of the High Priests, which is only bestowed on and
between High Priests, in the same way that we revere the
Daishonin."*** Daisaku Ikeda, May 3, 1979
"Here, the 'Treasure of the Priest' refers to the High Priests in the
line of Nikko Shonin, who are the only ones who have received the
transmission of the Living Essence of the Law until the present day.
Furthermore, all of the Priests are the disciples of the High Priest.
They are the House of the Law. Consequently, no matter what the
circumstances may be, we must hold the Priests in a place of
importance." Daisaku Ikeda, February 28, 1978
"The 'Treasure of the Priest' refers to the 2nd High Priest of this
sect, Nikko Shonin, and as the 3rd president has stated, also refers
to the High Priests, the only persons who have received the Living
Essence of the Law." Seikyo Shimbun, June 30, 1978
"The Treasure of the Priest begins with Nikko Shonin, who correctly
acceded to the possession of the Living Essence of the Law of True
Buddhism, continues with the successive generations of High Priests,
and in a broader sense, includes all of the members of the Priesthood
who are of the House of the High Priest of the Law." Daisaku Ikeda,
"Daibyaku Renge," November 1979 issue, reprinted in October 1983 issue
"Any person who is not obedient to the High Priest, whatever the
reason may be, is no longer a Priest or lay member of Nichiren Shoshu.
This is because there is no error more fundamental than this."
Daisaku Ikeda, November 24, 1981, predicting SGI's excommunication a
decade later
"The foundation of Nichiren Shoshu is the Bestowal of the Living
Essence of the Law upon the One and Only Person. The only correct path
for both Priests and lay believers is to proceed in obedience to the
High Priest because of that Face to Face Bestowal of the Living
Essence of the Law." Daisaku Ikeda, Jan. 24, 1982
"Till the end, only the High Priest's instruction can be the basis for
the doctrines of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism." Daisaku Ikeda, April
17, 1981
"The inheritance of the Living Essence of the Law is the origin of
Nichiren Shoshu. With the Dai-Gohonzon as their source, the
successive generations of High Priests, the only ones to whom this has
been transferred, have continued in their Eternal Protection of the
Law." Daisaku Ikeda, July 24, 1982
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> I've seen Pres. Ikeda up close and personal once. It was at a
> Sr. Leaders mtg for Hdqs and up levil leaders. He came into the room, did
> sansho and turned and walked up and down the room shaking hands, talking to
> people, LOOKING THEM STRAIGHT IN THE EYE. When he stopped at me he smiled,
> said hello and looked me straight in the eyes while he did this. He stayed
> right in front of me for a while. Longer than the rest. During his speech, I
> was sitting maybe 3 rows from the front, right next to the aisle and he just
> kept looking at me while talking. It's funny because I was going through some
> difficult obstacles and Pres. Ikeda's talk seemed to be aimed right at me and
> my difficulties. I will say it was amazing and the warmth I felt from his life
> has stayed with me all these years.
Forever Sensei
(An SGI ode to Daisaku Ikeda)
Morning sun shining bright,
la la la la la
Facing the sky
Spirits are high
Gongyo fills our hearts with joy
chorus:
Arm in arm together we climb,
Sun is breaking through
Sensei, our lives are growing,
Sensei, our tears are flowing,
As shining eyes call to you
Sensei, Sensei, forever Sensei
Midday sun burning bright,
la la la la la
Courage is found
Hope is the sound
Shakubuku is the way
(repeat chorus)
Moonlight smiling in the night,
la la la la la
Tomorrow's dreams
Calling to all
Zadankai ( = Discussion Meeting)
(repeat chorus)
Sensei, For You
(Another ode to SGI Pres. Daisaku Ikeda)
Through your eyes
We see the dream unfold
In your words
We hear the thunder roll
Each day we seek your wisdom
As our voyage begins anew
Hurry home!
Hurry home!
We're calling for you
chorus:
Sensei, we're waiting
We're reaching to touch your heart
We're ready to play our part
In your great dream
All our tomorrows are shiny and new
We'll fight forever
Sensei, for you
By your side
We strive in unity
Far and wide
So all the world can see
With bold determination
Hopeful hearts and joyful tears
We'll go on!
Ever on!
Through all of our years
chorus:
Sensei, we're waiting
We're reaching to touch your heart
We're ready to play our part
In your great dream
All our tomorrows are shiny and new
We'll fight forever
Sensei, for you
We'll fight foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever!
Sensei, for you!<<<<<
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Not only that, the only reason SGI militants like Terry gleefully want
> the High Priest in town is so they can put another SGI spy operation
> into play.
> I remember the Culture Center vans staked out at LAX in '94 or 95 for a
> large gathering of priests here in LA. The SGI knew everything- priests
> itinerary, schedules, it was ultra creepy (and sick).
> A prominent SGIUSA Culture Center staffer freely acknowldeged this to my
> wife when confronted. "We need to know what the priests are up to."
When I returned from Tozan in 1994, Mr Williams' sister and Mrs Okano
were waiting at the gate for us Hokkeko members. Mrs Okano lied,
claiming to be a friend of my roommate. She then proceeded to
photograph us. [My roommate had not yet disembarked. He later
informed me in no uncertain terms that she was NOT a friend.] Mr
Williams' sister hid behind a large potted plant snapping photos.
Those women were creepy as hell.
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> What a shame Kurt that the Kurt I have heard many good things about lately
> doesn't show that here. Maybe arbn is just meant to be the place everyone
> shows their most negative side.
What about the creepy SGI members who spy on Nichiren Shoshu priests
and lay believers? It is a legitimate issue--Kurt has every right to
bring it up.
Derek Juhl
Cashjlac
Date: 0913Jul2003 3:14 PM
Message-id: <35f999f2.03070...@posting.google.com>
Derek Juhl
Derek,
You misunderstand me. That is my error. You didn't read my clarifying post to
Kurt. I HATE all the spying, and slander on both sides. I DISLIKE intensly SS
campaign. I DONT CARE IF NIKKEN COMES. What I was referring to was the open
slander and name calling done by some NS members here and no comment is EVER
made, except by Mark P.
Bridgett
>>
Cashjlac
Message-id: <35f999f2.03070...@posting.google.com>
chorus:
(repeat chorus)
(repeat chorus)
chorus:
chorus:
Derek Juhl
Cmon Derek. That is uncalled for. I am not a gung ho Ikeda fan like you all
think all SGI members are. Hell, I'm such a fringe SGI member anyway that I'm
really not an SGI member. I haven't even been to a dist mtg in a year or so.
I speak to very few SGI people, members or leaders. I did have a different
encounter with Daisaku Ikeda than is being portrayed here. That's all. I
don't need or want to hear any songs thank you.
Bridgett
>>
Kurt
sok...@aol.com (SokaGuy) wrote:
Not a problem, my life's an open book, but I'd rather talk in private to
protect my wife's privacy. I'll email you.
SokaGuy
>I think it shows how much they love each
>other that they coexist peacefully and stay centered on each other and their
>marriage and leave this issue out of it. I myself respect this alot.
>
I agree 100%. It is inspiring! Kurt, never thought your marriage would be a
model for a gay SGI couple, huh? Thanks!
-Craig F
Cashjlac
Date: 0913Jul2003 3:41 PM
Message-id: <abuse-0B0703....@news-west.giganews.com>
Kurt,
Now I am just curious about this but how do you and your wife handle the issue
of the Gohonzon? Do you both have a seperate one or do you just both chant to
the one you had before the split? I have heard the loveliest things about you
and your wife and I have been very impressed at the levil of committment you
both feel for your marriage and each other.
Take care,
Bridgett
>>
Cody
> Cody
> Has Bridgett caught you telling falsehoods again?
> Sincerely
> Terry
Of course not. What gave you that idea, her misinformed fantasies?
Cody
Cody
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote > Cmon Derek. That is uncalled for. I
am not a gung ho Ikeda fan like you all
> think all SGI members are. Hell, I'm such a fringe SGI member anyway that
I'm
> really not an SGI member. I haven't even been to a dist mtg in a year or
so.
> I speak to very few SGI people, members or leaders. I did have a
different
> encounter with Daisaku Ikeda than is being portrayed here. That's all. I
> don't need or want to hear any songs thank you.
>
> Bridgett
You can take the Bridgett out of the cult but you can't take the cult out of
Bridgett.
Cody
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> http://news.sg-eye.com
> http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
Enjoy!
Derek Juhl
Kurt
sok...@aol.com (SokaGuy) wrote:
Why not? There's no difference in marriage for either gay or straight.
Kurt
cash...@aol.com (Cashjlac) wrote:
5 years ago, The night before I was to receeive my special okitagi (sp?)
Gohonzon, two SGI leaders, (Al Albergate and Bruce Barnes) strongly
lobbied that my wife not have a Gohonzon inscribed by the current High
Priest in our house, so for that reason, (even though her original,
ironically was a Nikken Shonin inscribed Gohonzon), we practice to my
older Nittatsu. If I received my Gohonzon, she felt that she should get
an SGI one in addition.
Not worth the politics to bother with.
Cashjlac
>
> Now I am just curious about this but how do you and your wife handle the
issue
> of the Gohonzon? Do you both have a seperate one or do you just both chant
to
> the one you had before the split? I have heard the loveliest things about
you
> and your wife and I have been very impressed at the levil of committment you
> both feel for your marriage and each other.
>
> Take care,
> Bridgett
>
5 years ago, The night before I was to receeive my special okitagi (sp?)
Gohonzon, two SGI leaders, (Al Albergate and Bruce Barnes) strongly
lobbied that my wife not have a Gohonzon inscribed by the current High
Priest in our house, so for that reason, (even though her original,
ironically was a Nikken Shonin inscribed Gohonzon), we practice to my
older Nittatsu. If I received my Gohonzon, she felt that she should get
an SGI one in addition.
Not worth the politics to bother with.
Kurt,
Thanks for sharing that.
Bridgett
>>
Mark P.
>> Actually Cody, everything your HP does is our concern. Wanna know why?
>Well,
>> I'll tell you. Because everything Pres. Ikeda does and says, you all feel
>is
>> your concern so everything Nikken says and does is our concern.
>>
I really never cared anything about Ikeda, even when I was in
SGI. He was just a bunch of hype then and he still is now.
Mark Porter
Others read the Lotus Sutra with their mouths alone,
reading only the words, but do not read it with their
hearts. And even if they read it with their hearts,
they do not read it with their actions.
Alan
I'm wondering if Nikken realizes that Mrs. Clow isn't gonna be around to
rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
Alan
Cody wrote:
> "Terry Berger" <terb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:AMQOa.91279$Io.79...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>>I am amazed no one is talking about it in arbn.
>>What day is he coming, July 19th???
>>How long is he going to be in New York?
>>The priests must of told you guys not to talk about it, huh?
>>Anyone flying to New York to see him?
>>dannyc, you must be excited, huh?
>>Is anyone going to be allowed to look him in the eye without keeping your
>>head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am wrong
>>about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
>>Did you guys think, no one was going to mention Nikken Shonin is visiting
>>New York on about July 19th.
>>Sincerely
>>Terry
>
>
> Just curious, how is where our High Priest goes any of your concern?
>
> Cody
>
>
Cody
"Alan" <twobu...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3F0D01F4...@attbi.com...
>
> I'm wondering if Nikken realizes that Mrs. Clow isn't gonna be around to
> rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
>
> Alan
Above is an example of staying with the SGI due to stupidity.
Cody
Mark P.
>
>I'm wondering if Nikken realizes that Mrs. Clow isn't gonna be around to
>rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
>
No she is dead!
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> I'm wondering if Nikken realizes that Mrs. Clow isn't gonna be around to
> rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
The Clow story was a complete fabrication. SGI's star witness, Ron
Sprinkle, was on leave from the Seattle Police Department the night in
question--when he claimed to have met Nikken Shonin on the streets of
Seattle. Furthermore, SGI paid Sprinkle over US$ 4000 per month, in
addition to expenses. Judge Kaufman in L.A. saw right through SGI's
shenanigans, pointing out that Clow was a "nominal plaintiff."
Derek Juhl
Cody
"Derek N.P.F. Juhl" <dere...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:35f999f2.03071...@posting.google.com...
Alan knows all this and more. What boggles the mind is that he can't see the
logic and clings to the sleazy lies SGI told.
Cody
The Dreaded CRAIG
>rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
>Alan
Oh that's right- Mrs Clow died from cancer didn't she. I was wondering when
you guys would figure out how to turn that into a benefit!
"Members of the group have used arson and a bomb threat against
temples of rival Buddhist groups. Soka Gakkai has also tried to block the
publication of critical books, and it was convicted of wiretapping the
house of the Communist Party leader. A spokesman said the bomb threat
and arson incidents involved "individuals with history of mental illness"
NY Times 11-14-99
"it isn't worth spending a lot of money on spying on the Temple, since
so many people are willing to do it for free"
Chris Holte
Daisaku gave the orders:
"Let us proudly advance on the supreme road to Kosenrufu as we
BRING AN END to the [High Priest] Nikken sect"
WT, March 1, 1993, p. 4
The followers reply to their sensei:
The Soka Gakkai also has begun a campaign of harassment
against the priests. Rumors have been spread that the Taisekiji
Temple grounds are in disarray, with stray dogs wandering
about and robbers lurking in the shadows. Right-wing groups
park their sound trucks outside the temple and blast out their
criticism of the priests..."
Los Angeles Times, 12/16/91
"I know what the group does to people whom it
regards as its enemies. It's not safe for anyone
who dares to criticize it."
TIME - THE POWER OF SOKA GAKKAI
http://pathfinder.com/@@cQhxKQUA1N@02C68/time/international/1995/951120/japan.html
Ms. U witnessed four SGI senior leaders storm Bukkenji Temple.
She attempted to take a photograph of the vehicle that they
had arrived in. The four persons turned their attention on her
and charged her, knocking her into the air. When she hit the
ground, they brutally kicked and assaulted her. She suffered
multiple serious injuries, a broken hip and spinal fractures.
Shukan Jitsuwa 12/02/93
One member of the group of four monks and six followers
said they were verbally abused and punched by local members of
the Singapore Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Association
(SNSBA) [Soka Gakkai Singapore].
The Straits Times - TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 1991
"They tried to chase us when my sisters
went out. They came to our home to try to harass us. My former
friends told lies to get my phone number. When they called,
they said,‘You will go to hell, you will be unhappy’. Some were
subjected to physical violence. There was an order by Ikeda to
harass members who leave the cult."
Japan’s Rush Hour of The Gods
THE AUSTRALIAN MAGAZINE
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/rushour.htm
..."a mob of Soka Gakkai members, marched into the Kaishinji temple during a
religious service. Shoving aside worshippers, they seized Yahiro and
Kashiwazaki. I thought I was going to die, recalls Yahiro, an
asthmatic. He almost did. A large man grabbed Yahiro by his necktie and lifted
him off the floor, and others took turns punching him until he passed out."
TIME Magazine November 20, 1995 Volume 146, No. 21
"...several hundred Soka Gakkai members invaded his temple during a
service and beat him so severely that he was hospitalized for three months.
Yahiro's hospitalization in April 1991 brought to light a brewing battle..."
San Francisco Chronicle: - Japan Fears Another Religious Sect
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1995/12/27/MN62956.DTL
SGI charter:
3.SGI shall respect and protect the freedom of religion and religious
expression.
7.SGI shall, based on the Buddhist spirit of tolerance, respect other
religions...
SOURCE: SGI Homepage
Alan
The Dreaded CRAIG wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:03:30 GMT, Alan <twobu...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm wondering if Nikken realizes that Mrs. Clow isn't gonna be around to
>>rescue him in the middle of the night. :@0
>>Alan
>
>
> Oh that's right- Mrs Clow died from cancer didn't she. I was wondering when
> you guys would figure out how to turn that into a benefit!
She was able to have her day in court before her passing, that's how.
And even though she didn't see the outcome of the case, I'm sure she was
confident it would happen the way it did.
Alan
The Dreaded CRAIG
>> Oh that's right- Mrs Clow died from cancer didn't she. I was wondering when
>> you guys would figure out how to turn that into a benefit!
>
>She was able to have her day in court before her passing, that's how.
>And even though she didn't see the outcome of the case, I'm sure she was
>confident it would happen the way it did.
>Alan
She did have her day in court didn't she!
In the court trial surrounding Soka Gakkai's publication of
defamatory material aimed at discrediting the high priest of Nichiren
Shoshu, Nikken Abe, during cross-examination on February 7, 1996,
of one of the key witnesses for the defense, Ms. Hiroe
Clow, who alleged she witnessed Nikken Abe get involved in a
dispute with two prostitues in Seattle, Washington, in 1963, it
was learned that Clow could not account for five years of her
life in Yokosuka, Japan, in the mid-fifties. The defense lawyers
raised an objection to this line of questioning, but the judge
overuled the objection stating that it was relevant as to the
credibility of the witness and that he wanted to listen more.
Hiroe Clow claims she married Lesley Clow on June 23, 1954.
However, records indicate that she married him on June 23,
1959. Lesley Clow, who was in the Navy, indicated in his
February 6, 1959, submittal update of vital statistics, that he had no
wife and that his mother, Edith Clow, was named as the
recipient of payment in the event of death. However, in his next
submittal update of vital statistics, dated November 9, 1959,
he lists "Hiroe" as his wife and as the beneficiary.
Ms. Clow's family record, which was obtained from her
local registrar's office in Japan (Ms. Clow holds Japanese nationality),
indicates that she was married on June 23, 1959. Mr.
Konagai, the lawyer for the plaintiff, also presented evidence of
commemorative photographs of her wedding ceremony,
which was conducted at Hoshoji Temple during 1959.
Konagai asked Clow, "Didn't you marry Lesley Clow,
not in June of 1954, but in June of 1959?", to which Clow answered,
"No."
Clow stated that she had become a believer of Nichiren
Shoshu in 1956, in Yokosuka (which is where one of the largest U.S.
naval bases in Japan is located) and had been very active
as a Gakkai member.
However, Konagai asked her, "At that time, in 1956, weren't
you working at a bar called "Casino" on Dobu-zaka Avenue (a
red-light district), in Yokosuka?" "Weren't you residing in
a room on the second floor of Sawada Tatami Shop?" "You
probably remember the son of the owner of that shop,
don't you?" At that moment, Clow's face turned bright red as she
stammered, "Whaaattt? What is that? I don't know what
you're talking about" and desperately tried to deny it.
What was she so panicked about? Was there something
she was trying to hide? It appeared that there may have been
something, an incident, a lifestyle, during that blank period
of five years that she was trying to keep secret. The courtroom
suddenly became filled with tension.
Konagai then introduced Ms. N, who had come to court
that day and was sitting in the courtroom, and who, as a Gakkai
member, had worked with Clow at the bar "Casino" as her boss.
It was pointed out that Clow's working name was "Suzy."
Konagai then pointed to Ms. N. Clow turned and looked.
Ms. N greeted her cheerfully saying, "Hi, it's been a long time,
hasn't it." Clow, flustered, faced to the side and stated in a
raspy voice, "I don't know." During the questioning that followed,
Ms. Clow lost her composure and verbally attacked Konagai.
The judge cautioned her.
Somehow, within her suspicious, hidden past, there was the
hint that what later became the "Seattle Incident" had its
foundation in the rubble of her life in Yokosuka.
Alan
Commentaries by Nichiren Shoshu believers don't account for much as far
as the judges are concerned, perhaps because they are somewhat biased.
Alan
The Dreaded CRAIG
>Commentaries by Nichiren Shoshu believers don't account for much as far
>as the judges are concerned, perhaps because they are somewhat biased.
>Alan
Here we go again- LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!! ALL DANTOS ARE LIARS
SO JUST DON"T LISTEN TO THEM!!! ONLY SGI IS TELLING THE
TRUTH- ALL OTHERS ARE THE 3 POWERFUL DEVILS OUT TO
DESTROY POOR INNOCENY SENSEI!!!!
This is the only weapon the gaks have left- shoot the messenger, ignore
the message
Cashjlac
Date: 1013Jul2003 6:54 AM
Message-id: <3F0D8C7D...@attbi.com>
Alan
Alan,
Are you in Los Angeles?
Bridgett
>>
skeeter
What day is he coming, July 19th???
How long is he going to be in New York?
The priests must of told you guys not to talk about it, huh?
Anyone flying to New York to see him?
dannyc, you must be excited, huh?
Is anyone going to be allowed to look him in the eye without keeping
your
head down when you are in his presence? Please correct me if I am
wrong
about this, I know you will Kurt and Cody.
Did you guys think, no one was going to mention Nikken Shonin is
visiting
New York on about July 19th.
Sincerely
Terry
You sound really interested in the High Priest coming to New York if
he is coming to NY. Is there something you're planning to do to him?
Maybe you're a person the police should be informed about.
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> You misunderstand me. That is my error. You didn't read my clarifying post to
> Kurt. I HATE all the spying, and slander on both sides. I DISLIKE intensly SS
> campaign. I DONT CARE IF NIKKEN COMES. What I was referring to was the open
> slander and name calling done by some NS members here and no comment is EVER
> made, except by Mark P.
Thanks for the clarification.
Derek Juhl
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> Cmon Derek. That is uncalled for. I am not a gung ho Ikeda fan like you all
> think all SGI members are. Hell, I'm such a fringe SGI member anyway that I'm
> really not an SGI member. I haven't even been to a dist mtg in a year or so.
> I speak to very few SGI people, members or leaders. I did have a different
> encounter with Daisaku Ikeda than is being portrayed here. That's all. I
> don't need or want to hear any songs thank you.
Yes, I know that is true in your case.
Nevertheless, the songs I posted were sung frequently at SGI meetings.
I know because I was there--in some cases, playing in the orchestra.
Derek Juhl
Cashjlac
Message-id: <35f999f2.03071...@posting.google.com>
Derek Juhl
Yes, I sang all those songs and did all those AAO's and arm in arm
togetherness. I was so glad when all that went away. Never again would I
participate. Makes me feel stupid.
Bridgett
>>
Cody
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030711010207...@mb-m04.aol.com...
How do these quotes of yours make you feel?:
I will always try
to be respectful toward you and yours even when I disagree which will
probably
be most of the time. But it is possible to have an open dialouge with a
person
you disagree with if you agree to keep it real and respectful.
Peace&Joy.
B.
NST members give everyone plenty of
reason to judge because they for the most part are idiotic and rude.
Peace&Joy.
B.
Shut the hell up Cody. Your another worthless piece of s**t.
Bridgett
>
>Well aren't you the little punk.
- Bridgett Cash
As for calling NST members rude and
idiotic . If you don't like the truth tell your temple members on these
various boards to stop behaving like spoiled children. The temple will
never
grow or get respect as long as it's members conduct themselves on these
boards
the way they have so far.
Take care.
>well aki, I could give a flying fuck what you believe. You and yours can
kiss
my ass............<<<<<
-Bridgett Cash, SGI member
>
>No, it demonstrates that your an asshole. Skum of the earth.
-Bridgett Cash, SGI member
soaring...@aol.com (Soaringbluesky) wrote in
> I don't have to prove anything and the very last thing your ever getting
from
> me is a retraction for anything I say.
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
> >
> >We don't hate priests Craigi, just yours.
cash...@aol.com (cashjlac) wrote:
> You are a pathetic loser...... Go get a life.
Bridgett Cash wrote:
>You really are fucking sick...... So because I won't divulge names you make
up
a sick story like this...... Fucking twisted, that's what the fuck you are.
Such a fucking asshole. You call yourself a buddhist? Your fucking mental
and
they should lock your fucking stupid ass up<
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
No, Denise. He [Craig] needs to be put to sleep like the rabbid [sic] dog
he
is........
>only in your delusional dreams would I apologize to you. I could give a
shit
if you believe anything I say.
B.
Jealous Patrick? I guess no one has asked you to pose for anything.
Perhaps
the circus will take you.
B.
children don't count.
See you at the playground.
B,
Hey Cody,
How is it you have time to have 2 buisnesses and a marriage and still find
the
time to post as much as you do. I think cody is really many people posting
as
one. cody is the perfect example of the mistrust and anger temple members
display on a daily basis.
B,
Cody,
You are just sooooooooooooooooooo stupid. You know, your right. I should
not
base my opinion of the temple on my conversation with Mike or the daily
lives
of my family members. You yourself have given me a new reason to think you
are
all full of shit.
B,
Honestly cody, these little mind games you and your friends play are so
pathetic. Did you learn how to debate in pre-school. Your debate style
shows
as much.
B.
This person sounds quite paranoid. Is this the temple's speciality. As I
said
before, Paranoia runs deep with you people.
B.
cody,
did your growth stop in Jr.High. Why do you persist in refering to sgi
members as gakkers. where you left out of the click and now you have your
own.
How sweet.
B.
And cody, before you can come on and sprout some childish reply to my
statements the same goes for you. Although in your case, it will take many
mirrors because there are so many of you. In your case cody, I have figured
it
out. Either you really are more than one person or one of your two jobs is
as
a paid employee of the temple.
B.
And cody the dickman(if you have one, not too sure) this
person is a REAL, Practicing Member of your Wonderful t. And yes,
dickmancody,
I did insult you.
B.
I have said before I
could care less about you and yours and what you think. Most of you are
parasites on this planet, here only to take up air space. And that, my dear
cody is an insult.
B.
do you always flap your peak, dickman?
"B". alias "Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com>
"Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
is your wife a slut too cody or just you.
Cashjlac" <cash...@aol.com> wrote
You really should stop projecting your wife's past with everyone else. the
fact that you married a loser slut who couldn't get anyone else is not the
rest
of our problem. so is one of your businesses running the slut mobile with
your
wife. are you guys like spanish pimps. how much does a whore make over
there
cody. i would ask for top dollar prices but i doubt your wife could command
any more than dogpound prices.
>and your point is? Told you already, I make no apologies for these words
and
I meant every single one that I said. I am not embarrassed by these words
nor
do I regret saying them.
-Bridgett Cash, SGI member
The Dreaded CRAIG
Don't worry- plenty of camcorders will be rolling to keep the Ikedabots
hiding behind the bushes. One thing they don't need is to be the stars
of the TV news and an online video on sg-eye.com. The Ikedabots are
working "behind the scenes" to try to stop him through their political
connections.
C
The Dreaded CRAIG
>> encounter with Daisaku Ikeda than is being portrayed here. That's all. I
>> don't need or want to hear any songs thank you.
>
>Yes, I know that is true in your case.
>Nevertheless, the songs I posted were sung frequently at SGI meetings.
> I know because I was there--in some cases, playing in the orchestra.
>Derek Juhl
>
>Yes, I sang all those songs and did all those AAO's and arm in arm
>togetherness. I was so glad when all that went away. Never again would I
>participate. Makes me feel stupid.
>Bridgett
It makes Terry Burger and Alan Saunders feel proud
"Ikeda is their Master in Life, just as Toda was Ikeda's. That is only
natural. They also believe that Ikeda is enlightened, otherwise there
would be no point in listening to him!"
Chris Holte, SGI member
"My master is Daisaku Ikeda in this life."
Harsh Mishra
"Many of the Japanese Gakkai members would take a
bullet for their master, they love him so much. Ikeda gets that kind of love
because he is so charismatic"
Chris Holte
"Sure, President Ikeda is the authority on Buddhism in our time. His life has
proven it. You will only be fooling yourself by believing otherwise. It
changes nothing even if he made the earlier statement."
Harsh Mishra
"SGI has a top down organization that was created by Toda, who was influenced by people
such as Mao Tse Tung and Lenin" Chris Holte
"Toda was influenced by the apparant success of the
communist party. There is very little democratic in the structure of
the Gakkai." Chris Holte
"When people regard a teacher as a Living Buddha, and they
cross the line between the natural respect one owes a good teacher and
hero-worship, where is that line? Is it my business to castigate them
for loving Ikeda?"
Chris Holte, SGI-USA
"So we have some who chanted for Nikken to die, and from the looks of the feelings
of some of you DANTO some who want Ikeda to come to a bad end. It is natural.."
Chris Holte, SGI-USA
"Since, Ikeda is a "Sage" or one who knows more than we do, he is a
teacher for the modern age. That is why the best title anyone can hear is
"Sensei". Chris Holte
Kaptain Kosen rufu
skeeter wrote:
> You sound really interested in the High Priest coming to New York if
> he is coming to NY. Is there something you're planning to do to him?
> Maybe you're a person the police should be informed about.
Well... I wouldn't go that far but it would amuse me if I could snap a
photo of him getting beat up by NY prostitutes.
clk
ever so politically correct "public's right to know" campaign. Just
joking. SGI Soka Spirit, shame on you. Very cheap shot IMO. clk
Statement of SGI-USA Northeastern Zone Leaders in Response to Recent Actions
by the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)–New York.
Build bridges, not walls
We have learned of recent efforts by the Council on American-Islamic
Relations (CAIR)–NY in
response to offensive, anti-Islamic remarks made by Jisei Nagasaka, chief
priest of the Nichiren
Shoshu Myosetsu-ji Temple in Flushing, NY, and — until recently — posted to
the temple’s official
web site. As leaders of the Soka Gakkai International (SGI)–USA in the New
York area, we view Rev.
Nagasaka’s actions with great concern, and applaud CAIR–NY’s call for an
apology and repudiation of
these inflammatory and irresponsible statements.
We are particularly concerned because, like Nichiren Shoshu, the SGI is
rooted in the Nichiren School
of Mahayana Buddhism. However, like most mainstream Buddhists, we reject the
intolerant view
toward other religions expressed in Mr. Nagasaka’s statements. Rather, our
viewpoint is expressed in
Article 7 of the SGI Charter, which states that: "SGI shall, based on the
Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
toward the resolution of
fundamental issues concerning humanity."
In remarks published in the immediate aftermath of the events of September
11, 2001, SGI President
Daisaku Ikeda rejected religious stereotyping, saying "I pray that people
will not jump to the
conclusion that all Arabs are dangerous and that Islam encourages violence"
(Seikyo Shimbun,
9/16/2001). More recently, Mr. Ikeda has co-authored Global Civilization: A
Buddhist–Islamic
Dialogue with noted Muslim peace scholar Majid Tehranian (published by
British Academic Press).
Here in the Tri-state area, the SGI has been active in creating and
supporting efforts at interfaith
understanding.
These times of strife call for building bridges — not walls — among the
diverse peoples, cultures and
religions of our city. In keeping with this, we hope that the leadership of
Nichiren Shoshu Temple will
be prompted to arrive at a greater respect for the thousands of New Yorkers
and millions of fellow
Americans who embrace the tenets of Islam.
Tariq Hasan Paula Miksic Beatrice Lopez
Ken Nakagawa
The Dreaded CRAIG
>Article 7 of the SGI Charter, which states that: "SGI shall, based on the
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of fundamental issues concerning humanity."
Yadda yadda yadda
"Soka Gakkai is the greatest ally of the masses. Our enemies are the evil
religions. Evil religions drive people to hell. True Buddhism makes Buddhas out
of all people. Nichiren Daishonin said the source of all unhappiness and
misfortunes of people is evil religion. It was our teacher, Mr. Josei Toda, who
repeated this great saying. With the great spirit of this teacher of ours for
destroying the evil religions, we, his pupils must once again fiercely attack
them. " Daisaku Ikeda's Inauguration Address
The Dreaded CRAIG
>these inflammatory and irresponsible statements.
>We are particularly concerned because, like Nichiren Shoshu, the SGI is
>rooted in the Nichiren School of Mahayana Buddhism. However, like
>most mainstream Buddhists, we reject the intolerant view
>toward other religions expressed in Mr. Nagasaka’s statements. Rather, our
>viewpoint is expressed in
>Article 7 of the SGI Charter, which states that: "SGI shall, based on the
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of>fundamental issues concerning humanity."
From: Gdanyelz@a...
Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 6:10 am
Subject: Fwd: Tosos at NYC Culture Center this weekend!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/21127
from Tariq Hassan:
I want to make sure that you know that we're going to have major
tosos this weekend at the New York Culture Center: Sat 10AM - 8PM and
Sun 10AM-10PM (We'll also be doing our regular 8-9AM).
This is chanting so that Nikken Abe does not visit New York to inaugurate a
temple.<<<<<<<
Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if the gaks held a voodoo
prayer meeting to stop an Iranian Cleric from inaugerating a Mosque???
Hypocrite VOODOO bastards!
"we are the only religious organization that admits that it
*had* to lie to the membership. All of them do it, believe me."
Kathy Ruby
"Thanks to Mr. Holte for reminding us of the
depraved "protect the members" gambit. "We *have* to lie to them!
They trust us! If we deal straight with them, we'll destroy their
trust!" Say *_what_?!*"
Joe Shay, SGI member on the happy IRG message board
"Why should we abandon our President? If he is wrong he will
suffer for it, if he is basically a good person then admonishments should get
through to him. He teaches mostly right things, so perhaps we should simply
abandon those things that are incorrect about him and his cohorts and seek to
help people see the "error of their views."
Chris Holte on the happy IRG board
The Dreaded CRAIG
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of fundamental issues concerning humanity."
More infammatory utterances by the followers of Ikeda... should
we all go down to SGI HQ and wage a protest?
From: soka1spirit
Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Tweakin' my Speakin' & Weakenin' Nikken
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/21121
>If I am to be expected to engage in meaningful dialogue with
>Hokkeko members and others, that's the first obstacle to be
>tackled...because mutally respectful dialogue and "fightin' words"
>just don't mix...
How can you engage in a meaningful dialogue with the Hokkeko members
if you have not fully resolved that by them following Nikken
actually they are doomed. When you are fully aware of that fact
based on the teachings and Nichiren's warnings, our true
compassionate nature emerges rather than the combative nature. At
such times we are able to embrace those who have been led astray and
that can be done only when they themselves discover the true colors
and function of Nikken and those they follow. At such times we are
more than ready to embrace them and help them on the a correct faith
due to the efforts we extending now.
>How well do you think our paper trail of language toward Nichiren
>Shoshu would play out on the Ten O'Clock News...?? Will the
>American public accept the notion that we're not just two rival
>Japanese Nichiren sects having a turf war over vulnable American
>minds?
I hope that Nikken's wishes and influence to spread his ambitions
here in America will never make the Ten O'clock News slot. I'm sure,
he will not make it there because we give it attention but rather he
will make it there if we faile to grasp the significance of his
efforts and fight against his success and hope for him to reveal to
all his true colors by coming here.
S 1 S
<<<<
"Yes, some members have mentioned using the campaign to close temples. I
PERSONALLY support that idea." Kathy Ruby
"A lot of the "Temple Issue" has resulted in foolhardy and embarrassing
displays of bombast and rhetoric, or incited crazy or demented people (in
Japan mostly) to take actions ranging from harrassing people seeking to attend a
funeral to setting fires. From altering photos to talking about "crushing Nikken".
Chris Holte
"the daimoku campaign to close the temples in the US is NOT a freedom of
religion issue"
"I'll chant for the temples to close and for the sad people like your self to find
wisdom to cure your blindness."
Joe Stevens (now mia from SGI)
The Dreaded CRAIG
>As leaders of the Soka Gakkai International (SGI)–USA in the New
>York area, we view Rev.Nagasaka’s actions with great concern, and
>applaud CAIR–NY’s call for an apology and repudiation of
>these inflammatory and irresponsible statements.
>We are particularly concerned because, like Nichiren Shoshu, the SGI is
>rooted in the Nichiren School of Mahayana Buddhism. However, like
>most mainstream Buddhists, we reject the intolerant view
>toward other religions expressed in Mr. Nagasaka’s statements. Rather, our
>viewpoint is expressed in
>Article 7 of the SGI Charter, which states that: "SGI shall, based on the
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of>fundamental issues concerning humanity."
>Tariq Hasan Paula Miksic Beatrice Lopez>Ken Nakagawa
Gee- I wonder what the Muslims would say if the Ikeda cult called
their chief cleric an EVIL DEVIL THAT MUST BE ERATICATED???
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/21126
From: "Patrick Matthews" <patmatthews@s...>
Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 6:59 am
Subject: RE: [SGI] Digest Number 549
>>>
Evil is a function of our lives. We can not separate evil from our own
lives, we can only remain vigilant over evil. When we eradicate evil from
our own lives, we are eradicating evil from the saha world, in essence
purifying the saha world as Shakyamuni Buddha did in the Life Span Chapter
of the Lotus Sutra. "When great evil appears, great good is to follow".
This is also a quote from Nichiren Daishonin regarding fighting evil in this
world.
Recognizing the High Priest is the Devil of the Sixth heaven. means that the
world of heaven is being used to lull us into complacency and acceptance.
The reason the Devil resides in the sixth heaven is the world of heaven
fools us in to thinking we are safe and happy, when we are clinging to our
attachments and feeling good about it. The devil of the sixth heaven
appears whenever we, as individuals are about to overcome our kharma or
break through in our own lives. When the Devil of the Sixth Heaven arrives
to test Nichiren Buddhism, than the entire Sangha is in the process of a
break through in Kharma, I believe.
Pat
<<<<<<
"Mr. Ikeda is referring to Nichiren Daishonin's admonition about
ignoring slanderers. That's why we are standing up to you whenever we
can. You are a great slanderer, Mr. Bratcher. And some day, the wild
dogs will be paying a visit to your stomach. Some day you will cry,
"why, oh why, oh why did I ever believe the priests and slander Mr.
Ikeda?? What is going to happen to me now??? Won't the Universe take
pity on poor Craig Bratcher....????"
Dick Hower, SGI member
December 1, 2000 Soka Gakkai World Tribune
"The Victorious Future of Mentor and Disciple"
By Daisaku Ikeda
>>
I can see
Those who are like demons
Milling around what,
Unbeknownst to them,
Is only an execution block.
They trample
The noble spirit
Of the Daishonin
And have become
Pitiful robbers of the Law.
Like a rapacious swarm of locusts,
Nikken and his cronies
Have exploited and persecuted
And even plotted to destroy
The Soka Gakkai,
An organization of the highest good
That has made unprecedented contributions
To spreading the Law
And worked so hard
To support and protect the priesthood.
Their evil deeds
Will go down forever in history
And they will be severely judged
According to the law of cause and effect.
This I believe
To be the unwavering position
Of the Daishonin.
It will be just as he states
In the writing "On Persecutions Befalling the Sage":
They "seem to be free from punishment at first,
But eventually they are all doomed to fall"
(The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, p. 997).
The plots and schemes of High Priest Nikken Abe and his cohorts,
Spinning a web of the most base lies
And vicious slander,
Were designed to bring us down.
Yet
We shone on brightly
Like the morning sun!
We rose boldly to the challenge,
And began our battle!
The Daishonin, too,
Was slandered as an immoral priest,
And his struggles amid persecution
Were beyond description.
Our first president Tsunesaburo Makiguchi
Used to strictly remind us
That in comparison
The persecution we encounter
Is truly small and trivial.
With silent forbearance,
The firm resolve demonstrated by the Buddha
Engraved in our hearts,
We waged an arduous struggle
To overcome
Every imaginable
Haughty and arrogant utterance.
We will not be defeated.
We are fed up
With the clamoring and abusive foolishness
Of these spiritual paupers.
In fact, our mighty, passionate spirit
Only burns all the brighter.
They who are
At times frenzied,
At times coldly silent,
At times filled with excuses,
Will eventually depart this world,
Gasping and trembling in fear.
Backsliders in faith!
Are you satisfied
To lead a life
Trapped in a maze
Of hellish depths?
Slanderers of the Law!
Having corrupted the Daishonin's teachings
And veered from the eternal truth,
Are you prepared
To drift along forever in a state of life
Of agonized defeat?
Traitors!
Having turned your backs
On the Daishonin's golden words,
Are you ready
To be burned in the fires
Of the hell of incessant suffering?
To be imprisoned in a cavern
In the hell of extreme cold?
To be shut off in the darkness
Of misery and strife,
Forever deprived of the sun's light?
The Dreaded CRAIG
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of fundamental issues concerning humanity."
More infammatory utterances by the followers of Ikeda... should
dc
ever so politically correct "public's right to know" campaign. Just
joking. SGI Soka Spirit, shame on you. Very cheap shot IMO.
clk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Well it is either a cheap shot or it means that SGI is changing or both. We
know that there is a duplicitous attitude in SGI, as long as within there
own ranks they oppress their own believers. Naturally one has to be
sceptical since no apology has come out about their own excesses in the
past.
dc
henrigaspar
Why would Mr. Berger get "beat up" by prostitutes?
The Only Difference between Nichiren Shu and Nichiren Shoshu is the Sho Falsehood
He probably thinks New York is like it was, before Giuliani cleaned it
up. If he picks up a hooker now, it's more likely to be an undercover
cop, and we'll have headlines this time: because he was in headlines
after 9/11 blaming it on the SGI.
I hope he wears his ceremonial dress and hat. This would make for good
mug shots.
The story is that he'll be in New York from today, July 12th through
the 16th, but that might get extended.
It's a little bit of an impromptu schedule, because he was denied an
entrance visa by the Brazilian government. (I guess they don't want
the hookers down there to become corrupted by REAL evil.)
Now it is my belief that he is visiting here to start shutting down
the operation ... See the following ...
_____________________________________________________________________
Nikken is "a shutdown artist" ^
With the news that the Nichiren Shoshu district meetings are soon to
be a thing of the past, it is becoming increasingly apparent that 67th
High Priest Nikken is what they call in the corporate world "a
shutdown artist".
I used to work for a guy in the consulting business (1980's) who they
would call in when an operation went below the threshold of profit
center into cost center territory. He would come in, talk very nicely
to people and find out where all the assets were, and wrap it up. When
they needed a shutdown artist, they called him.
Having recently sucked the Nichiren Shoshu membership dry with
donations for the new Temple buildings and the big Tozan, and having
looked at the bottom line on growth, Nikken has made his executive
decision.
The business is shrinking, by that I mean: the return on investment
(ROI) is insufficient to grow the business in a healthy way.
Nikken is not into charity work. He's a Nichiren School priest of the
modern age: married, huge family, lots of responsibilities (geishas
have to eat, too).
Nikken got a huge slug of money from that Tozan, now he can reinvest
the money in the biz, or roll-up the biz and merge with someone and
take his profit into retirement. The latter is the game plan.
What will happen now, according to the standard protocol of the
shutdown artist is:
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1. Contraction Down to the Level of the Branch Offices ...
First, he will roll-up the lay organizations into temples.
This is possible due to castrating the lay leadership in 1992 and
after. Those that remained after the excommunication of the SGI in
1991, were the leaders with no spine and they could be easily herded.
At the point where all of the meetings are in a temple with a priest
present, he will really come after all remaining cash from the
membership.
Those that refuse to get rolled up into a temple will be decapitated.
One of the key things in rolling up any business is paying attention
to protecting the intellectual property and real assets. That's why he
will keep a tight hold on any viable temple and attached legacy
customer base and, of course, the Daigohonzon, which is worth a lot to
any prospective future partners (see step 3).
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2. The Vampire Treatment ...
They will constantly refrain: "We have to save the Daishonin's
Buddhism, preserve and protect the DaiGohonzon !!!"
Every last dollar will be collected and sent to Taisekiji, draining
the teamples around the world to the point of poverty, by threats of
being cut off, and selling some of the valuable properties outright.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the parish temples (danka-dera) issuing
certificates (tera-uke) to danto families, just like under the
Tokugawas, for lots of money. Except now, you won't be beheaded as a
Christian for not having a tera-uke.
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3. We Feel the Urge, the Urge to Merge ...
With the intellectual property, real assets and legacy customers
intact he can proceed to the cashier's desk located at Mt. Minobu.
Without any announcement or even giving any warning, the news will
come out that Taisekiji has re-merged with Nichiren Shu, under the
Minobu Sect temple hierarchy (hon-matsu ji).
By turning over these assets to Minobu sect, he will get a giant-sized
kickback, probably in a Swiss-numbered account. This is where the real
payoff is, but of course Nikken's wife wanting such an extravagant
lifestyle, all of the cahs producing steps above wil be taken.
This merger shouldn't be really surprising, considering it was less
than a century ago that Nichiren Shoshu (1912) broke away from
Nichiren Shu, and that all Nichiren Shoshu priests still are trained
at Rissho University, which is run by Nichiren Shu Minobu Sect.
It's actually very hard to tell these guys apart, which is why at the
time that the Shogun finally merged them all originally, in the 17th
century, he gave them all emblems to identify them, and a special one:
a Craneus, for the Fuji Sect at Taisekiji, because they had given so
much trouble to Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu. (See:
http://hometown.aol.com/charlestmf/index.html)
So, they already have their emblem in place, and a merger back to the
1912 configuration, it would appear, should go smoothly.
In a way, you could have seen this coming in 1914, when Nikken's
father (not really sure he is the father) 60th High Priest Nichikai
Abe (before he was HP) tagged along with 57th High Priest Nissho to
the Ikegami Honmon-ji, a temple of the Minobu Sect, where they met
with all the High Priests of all the Nichiren Shu sects and agreed to
declare Nichiren a "Great Teacher" in a document made official by the
military government (as opposed to calling him the Daishonin).
They even posed for a picture to prove it. They were discussing
reuniting the Nichiren Sects at that time, but it didn't come off
(because the Soka Gakkai had not come along yet).
Nichiren Shoshu was only two years old, and they were discussing
re-merging, talk about feet of clay !!!
Now that the Soka Gakkai is well on its way, it's time for that old
horse (danka-dera NST) to head for the barn (hon-matsu ji), with all
the other old horses (danka-dera Nichiren sects).
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4. Pull the Rip Cord on that Golden Parachute ...
Now, with Nikken's golden parachute fully packed, he can deploy it,
buy that ranch in Hawaii and retire with his wealth.
He does need to avoid trouble between now and then, to sidestep any
lawsuits that would block his quiet moves towards the exit door.
(Sssshhh !!!, don't tell anybody....)
Nikken is really a first rate shutdown artist, he could go easily to
work for one of the Beltway Bandit consulting firms around D.C., and
do very well rolling up and closing down cost centers.
But, of course thanks to the donations by the dedicated NST members,
like those on ARBN, he won't have to bother with working.
-Chas.
skeeter
between Nichiren Shu and Nichiren Shoshu is the Sho Falsehood)
wrote:
>Kaptain Kosen rufu <twobu...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3F0EEF5A...@attbi.com>...
>> skeeter wrote:
>>
>> > You sound really interested in the High Priest coming to New York if
>> > he is coming to NY. Is there something you're planning to do to him?
>> > Maybe you're a person the police should be informed about.
>>
SGI is the only "religious", and I use that term lightly, organization
that has a "dirty tricks" department, not unlike the Republican party
during the Nixon era. Ikeda has learned much from running a political
party in Japan. You must feel tickled knowing your contributions are
paying to run political campaigns for his candidates.
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
> More infammatory utterances by the followers of Ikeda... should
> we all go down to SGI HQ and wage a protest?
In his message to a nationwide prefecture leaders conference held at
the Soka Gakkai Headquarters in Tokyo on May 22, SGI President Ikeda
says:
"In his treatise 'On Establishing the Correct Teaching for the Peace
of the Land,'" Nichiren Daishonin says, 'Rather than offering up ten
thousand prayers for remedy, it would be better simply to outlaw this
one evil' (The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, 15). He is saying that
rather than offering many kinds of prayers to eliminate various
sufferings from the world, one should instead concentrate on removing
the fundamental cause of society's misery.
"'One evil' means the fundamental evil. It is because of the distorted
spiritual foundation of human beings and society that all
well-intentioned actions and strategies are futile.
"What, then, is this fundamental evil? The Daishonin clarifies that it
is slander of the true Law and correct teaching. It is a force that
tries to destroy kosen-rufu, which is the great wish of the Buddha. It
is jealousy toward, and betrayal of, the fundamental good that causes
the infinitely noble lives of all people to shine, that inspires them
to realize a peaceful society based on the principle of the sanctity
of life.
"Acting in league with those in power, people affected by such
negative forces trample on the true teaching and persecute people of
justice. This devilish function is itself the one evil, the
fundamental evil. In the modern age, the slanderous actions of
Nichiren Shoshu are a case in point.
"The Daishonin declares that if this one evil is simply ignored, the
calamities of internal strife and foreign invasion are bound to occur.
In other words, this one evil will ultimately drag the country down
the path of war, which causes the greatest suffering to the people.
For this reason, the Daishonin strictly admonishes that this one evil
must be eliminated."<<<<<
Derek Juhl
The Dreaded CRAIG
had said that Islam "is the one evil that must be eliminated?"
The hypocrisy of the Ikeda cult knows no bounds
http://www.daisaku-ikeda.com
http://news.sg-eye.com
dannyc
:Can you imagine the outrage in the Muslim community if Ikeda
:had said that Islam "is the one evil that must be eliminated?"
They would organize a picket perhaps.
I'll tell you one thing for free. If the Gakkai ever did start refuting
erroneous religions (instead of sucking up to them), I'd have a bit more respect
for them.
The Dreaded CRAIG!
>rooted in the Nichiren School of Mahayana Buddhism. However, like most
>mainstream Buddhists, we reject the intolerant view
>toward other religions expressed in Mr. Nagasaka’s statements. Rather, our
>viewpoint is expressed in
>Article 7 of the SGI Charter, which states that: "SGI shall, based on the
>Buddhist spirit of tolerance,
>respect other religions, engage in dialogue and work together with them
>toward the resolution of fundamental issues concerning humanity."
Tolerance doesn't mean compromising, or being 'nice' to each other.
True tolerance is supported by confidence; confidence that is based on the
truth. In society today, there's a lot of confusion about this. People tend to
think that tolerance means being nice; compromising between two points of
view. This is a false type of tolerance that will end in misery. As Nichiren
Daishonin points out:
"If we see or hear a person commit slander and make no attempt to stop
him even though he could be saved, we betray our great gifts of sight and
hearing and so commit an act of utter Mercilessness"
clk
"The Dreaded CRAIG!" <Craig!@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3f1700ce....@news.netnitco.net...
clk
without being misquoted. clk
The Dreaded CRAIG!
>Sorry, it was an excerpt from Tariq's memo. Whew, I say enough dorky things
>without being misquoted. clk
We know it was from the memo. Sorry for snipping it out
I was just trying to make the message more managable ( :
C
Kurt
"clk" <catl...@purr.net> wrote:
> Sorry, it was an excerpt from Tariq's memo. Whew, I say enough dorky things
> without being misquoted. clk
And what a nasty loose cannon that boy is....
I'm appalled at the power the SGI has given him.
The Dreaded CRAIG!
From: "Patrick Matthews" <patmatthews@s...>
Date: Sat Jul 12, 2003 6:59 am
Subject: RE: [SGI] Digest Number 549
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