Europansies Wring Hands Over Cycle of Violence in Holland
CB
Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2004
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands – Dutch Muslims and Christians called for an end to a
cycle of retaliatory vandalism of mosques and churches on Tuesday, while slain
filmmaker Theo van Gogh was cremated a week after his murder by a suspected
Islamic radical.
Around 150 guests gathered at De Nieuwe Ooster Crematorium for the cremation,
aired live on national television.
Hundreds more watched on a screen outside. Mourners left flowers, cigarettes and
beer at a makeshift monument on the street where Van Gogh, a distant relative of
the Dutch impressionist painter Vincent Van Gogh, was repeatedly shot and
stabbed.
"Our country is confused and grieving," said Bram Peper, calling Van Gogh's
murder an attempt to silence "the power of the word."
Van Gogh was cremated to the music of the Lou Reed song "A Perfect Day." He is
survived by his parents, former wife and a 12-year-old son.
Since the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whose last film was critical of how women
are treated under Islam, fires have been set at mosques and an immigrant social
center has been vandalized. A pre-dawn explosion Monday in the southern town of
Eindhoven damaged an Islamic elementary school.
Overnight, Molotov cocktails were thrown at Protestant churches in the central
Dutch towns of Utrecht and Amersfoort, causing minor damage, officials said. No
injuries were reported in either attack.
Van Gogh's killing and the violent response have shocked many in the
Netherlands, who prided themselves on being part of what they considered a
peaceful and open society.
Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk met Tuesday with moderate Muslim
organizations.
"Everything must be done to halt this negative development," the two parties
said in a joint statement. Verdonk promised the government would take steps to
"isolate" Islamic extremists and reach out to mainstream Muslims.
The Muslim organizations pledged to inform followers about "the dangers of
radicalism [and] underline the need to defend the values of a democratic state,"
it said.
Van Gogh's murder came two months after the release of "Submission," his last
film which Muslims have called insulting to Islam. A five-page note threatening
the lives of several Dutch politicians was driven into his chest with a knife.
Six alleged Islamic radicals are in custody in connection with his death,
including the alleged killer, 26-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, who holds Dutch and
Moroccan passports. All face charges of forming a terrorist conspiracy to murder
the filmmaker.
Threats of reprisals against the Dutch government also reportedly were posted on
a Web site by a radical Islamic group in Dubai, if more mosques are attacked in
the Netherlands.
Van Gogh's murder evoked memories of the May 2002 assassination of Pim Fortuyn,
a populist right-wing, anti-immigration politician. His slaying triggered a
hardening of the government's attitude toward newcomers and the expulsion of
many thousands of asylum seekers.
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rudikazooti
should go ahead and hate the rest of the Muslims for a few rotten
extremists? I will have to say though that to give the hate side ammunition,
the Muslim clerics are just not voicing enough disgust at this Van Gogh
killimg in Holland. Give these people an inch and they end up taking a mile.
"CB" <C...@nuthin.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Dutch Call for Calm as They Mourn Filmmaker Killed by Muslim Radical
> Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2004
>
> AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Dutch Muslims and Christians called for an end to
CB
>A few rotten apples always spoil a bunch. Are you suggesting CB, that we
>should go ahead and hate the rest of the Muslims for a few rotten
>extremists? I will have to say though that to give the hate side ammunition,
>the Muslim clerics are just not voicing enough disgust at this Van Gogh
>killimg in Holland. Give these people an inch and they end up taking a mile.
Quite the contrary.
I just find it ironic that when one man in Holland gets killed by an Islamic
terrorist, suddenly the "anti-war" "peace-loving" "civilized" Europeans are
burning down mosques and attacking Muslims.
rudikazooti
the killing of Van Gogh: "The same destructive hate associated with
fundamentalist muslim terrorism" which happened on 9-11 or march 11 in
Spain.
http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/ftxt/20041110193930.html
"CB" <C...@nuthin.com> escribió en el mensaje
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CB
>the killing of Van Gogh: "The same destructive hate associated with
>fundamentalist muslim terrorism" which happened on 9-11 or march 11 in
>Spain.
>http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/ftxt/20041110193930.html
That doesn't excuse bombing mosques in your own country. The Europansies claim
that they are so "civilized" and used that as an excuse to not fight the
terrorists on their own ground. Now that the shoe is on the other foot we see
how civilized they really are
CB
>> That doesn't excuse bombing mosques in your own country. The Europansies claim
>> that they are so "civilized" and used that as an excuse to not fight the
>> terrorists on their own ground. Now that the shoe is on the other foot we see
>> how civilized they really are
I'm sure you just didn't pop in this group out of nowhere, so I suspect you've
been reading here for awhile. So I guess the irony must have gone over your
head. I'll spell it out for you.
Many europansies have smugly claimed that the USA is not civilized like they
are. They cite the fact that they are "anti-war" and "ant-death penalty" as
evidence as to how they are superior to the USA in their civilized behavior.
But the irony is this: In the USA, thousands of people were killed by Islamic
terrorists just in one attck, but we never had even a few people bomb mosques or
Muslim schools otherwise any social uprising against Muslims. But in Holland,
one man gets killed by one Islamic extremist, and they immediately have several
attacks against Muslims. In the mean time, French citizens are endangered by an
uprising in a former Frenchie colony in Africa. "Abti-war" "peace loving"
"civilized" France immediately invades and reports state that they are shooting
anybody who gets in their way. They have even destroyed the local sovereign
governments airforce. All the while, the europansies have boycotted helping the
USA investigate the mass grave of children in Iraq, because the evidence can be
used against Sadham Hussein who may get the death penalty.
So, it boils down to this: Europe isn't anymore civilized than the USA. Their
"anti-war" "peace-loving" posturing is purely political. When the shoe is on the
other foot, all their smug self-serving feel-goodism goes right out the window.
Now, do you get it?
>I think that you will find that very few Dutchmen are torching mosques
>- maybe half a dozen or less out a population of millions. With
>regard to the Dutch being uncivised, that is surely a generalisation
>too far? If we give the benefit of the doubt to Islamic murderers, on
>the basis that they are a small minority, surely us infidels should be
>similarly treated.
>
>It is surely only a matter of time until the populations of many
>countries affected by Islamic terrorists start to take the law into
>their own hands. Once the first Muslim suicide bomber in the UK blows
>up a load of schoolchildren, I have no doubt that mosques will be
>ablaze all the way from Bolton to Nelson. After all, the Islamic
>terrorists in Fallujah have been using minarets on mosques for snipers
>to murder US and Iraqi peacekeepers. So much for respecting their own
>religion. Why should we?
>
>Tranquilo
>Mike
rudikazooti
"CB" <C...@nuthin.com> escribió en el mensaje
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CB
>prorata.
Shit. Go into any 7-11, Marathon gas station or taxi in any major city and look
who is there
> In large cities in Europe and the UK one is looking at
>millions of them. In cities in the north of England they are now a
>very major minority, with all projections showing them to be a
>majority in the near future.>Hence the very real fear.
>Tranquilo
>Mike
I don't fear the Muslims. The ones I've met are very nice people. It's the few
radical terrorists that need to be dealty with. People in the USA understand
that. That's why we don't feel a need to burn down their mosques here
Kurt
mike_s...@hotmail.com (Mike Smith) wrote:
> "rudikazooti" <slic...@thanks.com> wrote in message
> news:<2vht0mF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> > Right. The shoe is definitely on the other foot...
> >
> > "CB" <C...@nuthin.com> escribió en el mensaje
> > news:41936f11....@90.0.0.1...
> > > So, it boils down to this: Europe isn't anymore civilized than the USA.
> > Their
> > > "anti-war" "peace-loving" posturing is purely political. When the shoe is
> > on the
> > > other foot, all their smug self-serving feel-goodism goes right out the
> > window.
> > > Now, do you get it?
> > >
>
> I take your point. You don't have to convince me that the Frogs
> aren't any more civilised than the Yanks. They have been major arms
> and civil suppliers to Iraq in the past, and hope to be so again.
> They have never, in their history, been anything other than
> self-serving. The Dutch incident is pretty minor really.
>
> Probably the thing is that there are very few Muslims in the USA
> prorata. In large cities in Europe and the UK one is looking at
> millions of them. In cities in the north of England they are now a
> very major minority, with all projections showing them to be a
> majority in the near future.
>
> Hence the very real fear.
>
> Tranquilo
> Mike
But everyone misses the bigger picture- As the US and Europe continue
their petty battles, Asia becomes a bigger player.
The US doesn't want to learn from history- it considers itself almost
the way the Roman Empire did, and without allies, it fell. With the bulk
of the US population so isolated from the rest of the world, they have
quite a distorted view of things. Remember that only 10% of population
hold passports.
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Brian Rahilly
12/11/04 2:52 PM:
>> Probably the thing is that there are very few Muslims in the USA
>> prorata.
>
> Shit. Go into any 7-11, Marathon gas station or taxi in any major city and
> look
> who is there
>
>> In large cities in Europe and the UK one is looking at
>> millions of them. In cities in the north of England they are now a
>> very major minority, with all projections showing them to be a
>> majority in the near future.>Hence the very real fear.
>> Tranquilo
>> Mike
>
> I don't fear the Muslims. The ones I've met are very nice people. It's the few
> radical terrorists that need to be dealty with. People in the USA understand
> that. That's why we don't feel a need to burn down their mosques here
>
Oh sure.
In California, four Muslim women from the northern part of that state
visiting a Venice restaurant on Sunday say they were verbally assaulted by
another patron who made references to raping Muslim women and threatened
them with physical assault.
The women, all wearing Islamic head scarves, say a white male began playing
a guitar and singing after they entered the restaurant. His song allegedly
contained lyrics such as: "Those goddamn Muslim terrorists attack our
country....They wear ugly robes that are so stinky...And they rape their
women all the time...but since their women like it, they don't need to get
it over there, we can give it to them here."
After the Muslim women reported the man's actions to the restaurant manager,
he became even more upset and threatened the women with physical harm. The
man was later arrested by the Los Angeles Police Department. CAIR and the
women's civil rights attorney are calling on local law enforcement and the
FBI to treat the incident as a hate crime and to prosecute the alleged
perpetrator to the full extent of the law.
In Michigan, a Muslim father and son report that they were refused service
at a Meijer store in Fraser, Mich. The store's cashier allegedly refused to
accept credit card payment for gas, saying, "We don't take credit cards...We
closed the machines," and shouted, "You Arabs get out of here...We don't
want to serve you guys...Go back to your country...Dirty Arabs." Another
customer also joined in the abuse. The victims' attorney is considering a
lawsuit against Meijer. (There is a surveillance camera videotape of the
incident.)
In Illinois, a Glendale Heights Islamic center received a phoned bomb threat
Tuesday and was burglarized Saturday. The center has called for increased
police protection and is in the process of installing security cameras and
window grills. Local FBI agents are working with the center on the case.
But wait, there's sadly more.
CAIR has learned that a "Class B" explosive device was thrown into the van
of the Burbank, Ill., Palestinian Muslim family at about 11 p.m. on
Saturday, March 22. (Class B explosives are used in commercial-grade
fireworks.) According to the family, the van's door was blown off, shattered
glass was thrown up to 30 feet away and a hole was punched in the vehicle's
floor. They believe the incident is related to the ongoing war with Iraq.
Family members say they also experienced hostility from neighbors following
the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
And this:
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called on federal
authorities to aid the investigation of an incident in Indiana that left a
Muslim businessman with burns over 60 percent of his body.
The Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group says the
37-year-old Afghanistan native was injured Monday night at his restaurant in
Indianapolis, Indiana. According to media reports, the man told officials he
was cleaning up in the kitchen when two people burst in and set him on fire.
Fire and police investigators tell CAIR that there is an ongoing
investigation and that no possible motive is being ruled out.
CB
>> I don't fear the Muslims. The ones I've met are very nice people. It's the few
>> radical terrorists that need to be dealty with. People in the USA understand
>> that. That's why we don't feel a need to burn down their mosques here
>>
>Oh sure.
>he became even more upset and threatened the women with physical harm. The
>man was later arrested by the Los Angeles Police Department. CAIR and the
>women's civil rights attorney are calling on local law enforcement and the
>FBI to treat the incident as a hate crime and to prosecute the alleged
>perpetrator to the full extent of the law.
Verbal assault. Nothing even remotely like bombing mosques like they are doing
in Europe. The police arrested them. Unlike the europansies, they won't be
releasing him with a slap on the wrist.
>CAIR has learned that a "Class B" explosive device was thrown into the van
>of the Burbank, Ill., Palestinian Muslim family at about 11 p.m. on
>Saturday, March 22. (Class B explosives are used in commercial-grade
>fireworks.) According to the family, the van's door was blown off, shattered
>glass was thrown up to 30 feet away and a hole was punched in the vehicle's
>floor. They believe the incident is related to the ongoing war with Iraq.
>Family members say they also experienced hostility from neighbors following
>the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Why didn't they report this to the police? CAIR has terrorsist connections. They
are also a friend of Soka Gakkai, and marched with them against the NY temple.
I would trust their word as far as Yasir Arafat could throw them. I find it
interesting that you rely on them for "proof" of mass attacks against Muslims in
the USA.
Brian Rahilly
13/11/04 10:17 AM:
If what they have can be considered to be terrorist connections, then so
does every administrations since Reagan.
B
Mike Smith
> But everyone misses the bigger picture- As the US and Europe continue
> their petty battles, Asia becomes a bigger player.
> The US doesn't want to learn from history- it considers itself almost
> the way the Roman Empire did, and without allies, it fell. With the bulk
> of the US population so isolated from the rest of the world, they have
> quite a distorted view of things. Remember that only 10% of population
> hold passports.
Exactly. The average man in the street doesn't understand or care
about the bigger picture. The country has, historically, been
isolationist except with regard to the Monroe Doctrine. It's current
international activity is solely to do with threats to the US itself -
as it perceives them. Afghanistan was an obvious one as the base for
Al Qua'eda. Iraq has been perceived as a danger to the West for
years, and the US and its allies acted to enforce about 17 UN
resolutions which Iraq had waved two fingers at.
The average American is perfectly happy to be isolated from the rest
of the world. Witness their failure to come to the aid of the free
world in 1914 and 1939. In the former case they entered the war in
1917 when it was all over bar the shouting, and in WW2 they entered
only when Japan attacked them and Germany declared war on them.
Without 9/11 there would be no US troops in either Afghanistan or
Iraq. If the 1993 bomb had collapsed both WTC towers and killed
30,000 people, as envisaged, then the US would have been in the Middle
East much sooner.
It's all about self-defence, not world domination.
Tranquilo
Mike
CB
>> Why didn't they report this to the police? CAIR has terrorsist connections.
>
>If what they have can be considered to be terrorist connections, then so
>does every administrations since Reagan.
>B
yadda yadda yadda
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/2149_0_2_0_C/
>>
CAIR has launched an effort to counteract anti-Muslim prejudice, which it
says is widespread among Americans. They recently asked Muslims around the world
to help correct misperceptions of Islam and its stance on religiously motivated
terror. The Kentucky office of CAIR is conducting “sensitivity training” for FBI
agents in Lexington. CAIR said 13 FBI agents, including supervisors, attended a
workshop that examined “basic Islamic beliefs and concepts, common stereotypes
of Islam and Muslims, and ways in which to improve interactions with the Muslim
community.”
There is irony, though, in CAIR’s efforts to counteract what they call
stereotypes of Muslims. CAIR denies any ties to terrorist groups but has
generated its own share of controversy and has contributed to these stereotypes
by participating in conferences that feature speakers that voice racist
epithets, support suicide bombers, call for the termination of the Jews, and
support leaders of the Hamas terrorist group.
Since September 11, 2001, three CAIR figures have been arrested by U.S.
federal authorities on terrorist-related charges. CAIR also has been criticized
for its links to Hamas by various terrorist experts and scholars, including
Matthew Levitt, senior fellow in terrorism studies at the Washington Institute
for Near East Policy. Levitt testified to the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on
Terrorism that CAIR was founded by Omar Ahmed, who co-founded the Islamic
Association for Palestine, a HAMAS front organization.
Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi of Italy has said CAIR’s ties to Hamas are
“evident.” In February 2000 he gave a speech identifying CAIR as a Muslim
Brotherhood front organization that works in the U.S. as a lobby against radio,
television and print media journalists who dare to produce anything about Islam
that is at variance with their fundamentalist agenda. To the utter shame of the
media, CAIR has been very effective in silencing the media.