Ping Marc Strumpf
Cody
heart attack.
See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/66742
Cody
Ivan
So, how did she die? And who is she? Enquiring minds want to know!
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Who is April and what is she to Terry?
Bridget
Cody
She was good friends with Terry and Marc. She was also a good friend of
one of my ex girlfriends. You can read more about her on Will's SGI
Yahoo board.
Cody
marcinmd
Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that..She took pills and killed
herself..Shame on you.
Cody
This is what Terry says what happened (from the above URL that you are
obviously too lazy to click on):
"Since no one asked about what really happened.
And since some people repeat misinformation.
I hope to tell the truth, if that is not too much to ask.
According to the police and the obituary that was published in the
Washington Post. April died of a heart attack.
I do not know if the police or the Washington Post got it right.
The one thing that I can say with certainty is that she was not
abandoned by her friends.
I was one of them.
Though, I do not blame people for disparaging the SGI or me.
I am appalled that someone would tell horrible falsehoods about a
person who is not here to defend themselves.
She had many friends that still hold her memory dear to their hearts.
I am one of them.
She taught me much about living, honesty, and justice.
If more people were lucky enough to know her, there would be less
misery in the world.
She saved many people's lives. The fact that she is not here now
does not take away from that.
A life well lived can still teach.
Her life is full of lessons.
Terry"
YOU should be ashamed of yourself for jumping to conclusions all these
years.
Cody
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Clearly I do not know much about this April woman or Terry Ruby himself
but since you all posted this here and since I'm the curious type I
have a few questions.
1.) When did she die? 8 years ago right? So why is she being
discussed now? I get that on Will's group Terry seems to be posting
installments about April but I don't follow Will's group much and so
don't seem to understand why he's even talking about her there and why
she's being discussed here? Please fill me in.
2. ) Michael, why is it that Marc should be ashamed of himself? What
did Marc do? Why is Marc saying she killed herself if the official
reports says heart attack? I guess I just don't understand why she's
being discussed online if she's been dead so long?
Answers please.
Thanks.
Bridget
marcinmd
This discussion isnt necessary....
I helped identify the Body... I have the death certificate.... I
bailed her son out of Foster Care and he lived with me until he moved
in with his Aunt....I cleaned out her house.
There is no mystery here... Terry may just be defending her reputation.
It's very hard to tell people when someone commits suicide, so friends
and family often make up a story. Very sad...
Good luck cults like the SGI and NST that peddle artifical happiness
need to sweep under the rug the not so lucky.
Drop the subject.
Kurt
"marcinmd" <marc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> This discussion isnt necessary....
>
> I helped identify the Body... I have the death certificate.... I
> bailed her son out of Foster Care and he lived with me until he moved
> in with his Aunt....I cleaned out her house.
>
> There is no mystery here... Terry may just be defending her reputation.
> It's very hard to tell people when someone commits suicide, so friends
> and family often make up a story. Very sad...
>
> Good luck cults like the SGI and NST that peddle artifical happiness
> need to sweep under the rug the not so lucky.
>
> Drop the subject.
Thanks for using her tragic death to further your agenda.
--
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Cody
> This discussion isnt necessary....
>
> I helped identify the Body... I have the death certificate.... I
> bailed her son out of Foster Care and he lived with me until he moved
> in with his Aunt....I cleaned out her house.
>
> There is no mystery here... Terry may just be defending her reputation.
> It's very hard to tell people when someone commits suicide, so friends
> and family often make up a story. Very sad...
>
> Good luck cults like the SGI and NST that peddle artifical happiness
> need to sweep under the rug the not so lucky.
>
> Drop the subject.
You wrote, and I quote, "Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that". I
even provided an URL so you could check what he said before you put your
foot in your mouth. The reason I brought it up is that you've been using
her "suicide" to push your agenda for years now. The Wash. Post and the
police say she died of a heart attack. What proof do you have other than
your opinion that she died otherwise?
This has nothing to do with SGI or NST except in your twisted and sick
mind. It does have A LOT to do with your credibility.
Cody
marcinmd
> Thanks for using her tragic death to further your agenda.
>
You must be delusional.... You guys... started a thread with my name on
it. You floated an untrue story about the tragic death of one of my
closest friends.. I corrected the facts.
I wonder what it is about the words I wrote: "This dicussion is not
necessary" and "Dorp the subject" that you were unable to appreciate or
understand?
marcinmd
Cody wrote:
> marcinmd wrote:
> > This discussion isnt necessary....
> >
> > I helped identify the Body... I have the death certificate.... I
> > bailed her son out of Foster Care and he lived with me until he moved
> > in with his Aunt....I cleaned out her house.
> >
> > There is no mystery here... Terry may just be defending her reputation.
> > It's very hard to tell people when someone commits suicide, so friends
> > and family often make up a story. Very sad...
> >
> > Good luck cults like the SGI and NST that peddle artifical happiness
> > need to sweep under the rug the not so lucky.
> >
> > Drop the subject.
>
> You wrote, and I quote, "Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that". I
> even provided an URL so you could check what he said before you put your
> foot in your mouth. The reason I brought it up is that you've been using
> her "suicide" to push your agenda for years now. The Wash. Post and the
> police say she died of a heart attack. What proof do you have other than
> your opinion that she died otherwise?
>
> This has nothing to do with SGI or NST except in your twisted and sick
> mind. It does have A LOT to do with your credibility.
The more I encounter NST members like Cody on the Internet, the more I
am certain of how harmful their practice must be for them..This is a
really really sick attack.. Unnecessary on all counts.
There is no police report that says she had a heart attack..There is no
Wash. Post article that I ever saw . Terry and I spent a lot of time
together after she died, cleaning up the mess she left behind. There is
no doubt about how she died. Terry has no doubt about how she died...
If he is telling people a false story, then I am sure he has his
reasons. As I said, people often hide the fact that some has killed
themselves to protect their reputation. I am sure he is well
intentioned.
I have Terry's phone number..Anyone can email me and I will give it
them if they wish to talk to him .. I also have her death certificate
some place... She killed herself... Cody is really scummy to use this
out of the blue, just becasue he is bored and wants to stir things up
on arbn..Shameful, yet typical
Cody
>> Thanks for using her tragic death to further your agenda.
>>
>
>
> You must be delusional.... You guys... started a thread with my name on
> it.
No, I did.
> You floated an untrue story about the tragic death of one of my
> closest friends..
No, I stated what Terry Ruby wrote on another board and posted the URL
so you could check it.
> I corrected the facts.
No, you didn't. In fact, you obscured them.
>
> I wonder what it is about the words I wrote: "This dicussion is not
> necessary" and "Dorp the subject" that you were unable to appreciate or
> understand?
As soon as you clear everything up and stop using her death to further
your anti-SGI/NST agenda, the subject will be dropped. If you don't like
that, tough titties.
Cody
Cody
> Cody wrote:
>> marcinmd wrote:
>>> This discussion isnt necessary....
>>>
>>> I helped identify the Body... I have the death certificate.... I
>>> bailed her son out of Foster Care and he lived with me until he moved
>>> in with his Aunt....I cleaned out her house.
>>>
>>> There is no mystery here... Terry may just be defending her reputation.
>>> It's very hard to tell people when someone commits suicide, so friends
>>> and family often make up a story. Very sad...
>>>
>>> Good luck cults like the SGI and NST that peddle artifical happiness
>>> need to sweep under the rug the not so lucky.
>>>
>>> Drop the subject.
>> You wrote, and I quote, "Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that". I
>> even provided an URL so you could check what he said before you put your
>> foot in your mouth. The reason I brought it up is that you've been using
>> her "suicide" to push your agenda for years now. The Wash. Post and the
>> police say she died of a heart attack. What proof do you have other than
>> your opinion that she died otherwise?
>>
>> This has nothing to do with SGI or NST except in your twisted and sick
>> mind. It does have A LOT to do with your credibility.
>
> The more I encounter NST members like Cody on the Internet, the more I
> am certain of how harmful their practice must be for them..This is a
> really really sick attack.. Unnecessary on all counts.
I have nothing to do with it. Try sticking to the facts instead of
trying to change the subject to your opinion of my persona. Nobody else
is "attacking" anyone. You are the only one attacking people.
> There is no police report that says she had a heart attack..There is no
> Wash. Post article that I ever saw . Terry and I spent a lot of time
> together after she died, cleaning up the mess she left behind. There is
> no doubt about how she died. Terry has no doubt about how she died...
> If he is telling people a false story, then I am sure he has his
> reasons. As I said, people often hide the fact that some has killed
> themselves to protect their reputation. I am sure he is well
> intentioned.
Well, then, why don't you call him on it instead of whining about it
here? I gave you the URL. You do know how to open a Yahoo account and
post on a Yahoo group, don't you?
>
> I have Terry's phone number..Anyone can email me and I will give it
> them if they wish to talk to him .. I also have her death certificate
> some place... She killed herself... Cody is really scummy to use this
> out of the blue, just becasue he is bored and wants to stir things up
> on arbn..Shameful, yet typical
You say she killed herself. You offer no proof. Terry says she died from
a heart attack according to the police report and the obituary in the
Wash. Post. Why, pray tell, should we believe you when all you offer is
your word and insults? I know you are quite capable of lying as is
evidenced by the fact that you deny that you told me on AIM that, if it
weren't for me, Carol would have been your girlfriend.
Cody
Kurt
"marcinmd" <marc...@aol.com> wrote:
> I have Terry's phone number..Anyone can email me and I will give it
> them if they wish to talk to him .. I also have her death certificate
> some place... She killed herself... Cody is really scummy to use this
> out of the blue, just becasue he is bored and wants to stir things up
> on arbn..Shameful, yet typical
The only problem is that you chose to blame SGI and NST for her death.
I could care less about any other details.
op
memories) to post what he did on Will's board. From other things Terry has
posted about her, she seems as if she was a very lovely person. I wish you
and Marc would drop this subject. Why should Marc post on Will's board and
stir up old dirt? The post won't go through anyway. As he said, if anyone
wants more information, email Terry or Marc. If anyone wants the whole
truth, well, maybe they aren't going to find it in this situation. op
"Cody" <n...@yelps.brainwashedbythecult.edu> wrote in message
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marcinmd
>
> The only problem is that you chose to blame SGI and NST for her death.
> I could care less about any other details.
Oh yes..SGI could have been sued IMHO.. I shall spare you the details
The larger point I was making was that good luck cults cant have
example's of such great misfortune ( and abuse at their hands) floating
around.. It's hard to keep people in the pews, it spoils the false
sales pitch... But, I have said that many many times before..
Cody
> Cody, Marc just said that Terry had his reasons (probably to respect April's
> memories) to post what he did on Will's board.
Sheer speculation.
> From other things Terry has
> posted about her, she seems as if she was a very lovely person.
I knew her personally. Yes, she was a very nice person.
> I wish you
> and Marc would drop this subject.
Marc has been using the lie that she committed suicide to further his
anti SGI-NST agenda. I don't like that for some reason.
> Why should Marc post on Will's board and
> stir up old dirt?
The reason Marc won't post on Will's board is because Marc knows he's
lying and doesn't want to be called on it by Terry.
> The post won't go through anyway.
Why not?
> As he said, if anyone
> wants more information, email Terry or Marc. If anyone wants the whole
> truth, well, maybe they aren't going to find it in this situation. op
Maybe not but I tend to believe the police and the Washington Post over
the likes of Marc Strumpf.
Cody
marcinmd
>
> Clearly I do not know much about this April woman or Terry Ruby himself
> but since you all posted this here and since I'm the curious type I
> have a few questions.
>
> 1.) When did she die? 8 years ago right? So why is she being
> discussed now? I get that on Will's group Terry seems to be posting
> installments about April but I don't follow Will's group much and so
> don't seem to understand why he's even talking about her there and why
> she's being discussed here? Please fill me in.
She killed herself about the time of the split.
She is being discussed now because Cody is bored and evil.
>
> 2. ) Michael, why is it that Marc should be ashamed of himself? What
> did Marc do? Why is Marc saying she killed herself if the official
> reports says heart attack? I guess I just don't understand why she's
> being discussed online if she's been dead so long?<<
The official report is the death certificate. It says her death was
self inflicted..
Questions?
>
> Answers please.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bridget
Any time...
Cody
If you're really concerned, you would go to the Yahoo group and call
Terry on what he said. You're not. You're only interested in besmirching
SGI and NST and using her death to do it is evil. My wanting the facts
is not.
Cody
op
with April's death. No one except you has EVER EVER brought that
possibility into play. It's just ridiculous. It sounds as if she was a
wonderful person from Terry's posts on the SGI board. opnews:f4Myg.8646$6D6....@news.ono.com...
Juanjo
"marcinmd" <marc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> The only problem is that you chose to blame SGI and NST for her death.
>> I could care less about any other details.
>
>
> Oh yes..SGI could have been sued IMHO.. I shall spare you the details
>
Marc or Terry could tell you the truth about this episode if they wished.
Neither of them ever will. There are other witnesses to what happened and
why. Some of those stories have been posted here in the past. I have no
direct knowledge of the events but I have read accounts both Marc and Terry
have posted in the past. I read what Terry said on the SGI site and it does
not jibe with what he or Marc have said in the past. He is twisting things
around to whitewash the episode. I will not speculate as to the reasons why
he is doing that. Someone could have said something negative about April or
someone could have repeated one of the stories that has circulated about
Terry's past bad behavior. But neither Marc or Terry is likely to tell
anyone what really happened. First of all they were very close to the
young lady in question. Second they are close friends and have been for
since their SGI years. Neither of them will ever trash the other. From
what has been posted in the past about April, she was a wonderful person but
emotionally fragile. Supposedly some of her senior leaders in the SGI took
advantage of her vulnerabilities. I know that there were allegations that
Terry had an affair with the woman. I have no idea if that is true or not.
If you do a search of past posts there would be some from the 1990's
concerning this issue.
rainerg...@yahoo.com
find it in extremly poor taste to talk about her. Who the hell cares
how she died? She did and that's the important thing. This discussion
is very wrong.
Bridget
rainerg...@yahoo.com
op wrote:
> Cody, Marc just said that Terry had his reasons (probably to respect April's
> memories) to post what he did on Will's board. From other things Terry has
> posted about her, she seems as if she was a very lovely person. I wish you
> and Marc would drop this subject. Why should Marc post on Will's board and
> stir up old dirt? The post won't go through anyway. As he said, if anyone
> wants more information, email Terry or Marc. If anyone wants the whole
> truth, well, maybe they aren't going to find it in this situation. op
OP,
I find Terry Ruby to be acting in really poor taste even bringing up
this April woman online. I can find nothing on Will's group that
necessatates his discussing this. Once again, one of the Ruby's
behaves badly. Why am I not surprised? First they lie about people I
know personally and Kathy Ruby? She's just a trip anyway but I don't
like either one of them. This just reinforces my feelings about them.
To Terry Ruby I say STOP discussing dead people online and causing them
to be the object of online speculation on how they died. If she killed
herself that's HER business and her family's business and NOBODY else's
and YOU MARC should NOT be saying she killed herself even if she did.
That's NOT For you to say I don't think.
Bridget
Yelps
<rainerg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ditto. Cody will you just go f...... yourself. use a Cucumber or
something. They only thing you ever prove is that you are a delusional ass
with your personal shit.
dc
Yelps
<rainerg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Seems to me he was just praising her. Why he brought it up though, who
would know but him, or other people in a discussion.
T Ruby did write in his first post:
"And since some people repeat misinformation."
So something must have prompted him in bringing it up at this time. Cody
has posted about this for years, diggin up whatever dirt might have been
there, attacking the Ruby's personally and bringing up things that needn't
be brought up publicly which all stem from personal grudges.
And Marc WAS blaming the Gakkai and the Temple for her death and that
discussion went on forever and apparently still does, but it's not Marc
bringing it up.
Anymore discussion of this is just adding salt to the wound and that isn't a
healing salt.
dc
op
on Will's board, then someone else posted the suicide stuff. Then Terry
posted the other stuff about her NOT committing suicide. See? That's how
the thread on Will's board went. Terry was apparently really close to
April and was posting memories of her - good memories that had nothing to do
with her death. Whether or not that is in good taste, I don't know. Her
death details were posted first by another poster there. Okay, Bridget:).
Terry is also posting his memories there of other members, like Ted Osaki.
Yes, you can read thru the archives here on arbn and of course see whether
or not Terry's posting of anything about April, good or bad, would be, in
your opinion, in good or bad taste. I am just clearing up the sequence of
posts for you as they happened on the board of Will. op
op
about April, good or bad, came up on the SGI board, but the good posts did
help clarify for me what an interesting and cool person she must have been.
All I've ever read from Marc here is a bunch of sordid gossip about her,
even though he says he cared for her deeply. op
<rainerg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
Kurt
"marcinmd" <marc...@aol.com> wrote:
You and Cody need to go into a private chat room and figure out who has
the bigger penis.
marcinmd
op wrote:
> Marc, that is just sick to insinuate that the "split" had anything to do
> with April's death.
Read for content.... I was pointing to when this happened, when the
split occured. Those events had nothing to do with her, it's just WHEN
this happened, not why.... I hope that clears it up..
Read Jon's post, it sums up the situation pretty well...
Cody
Charming.
> They only thing you ever prove is that you are a delusional ass
> with your personal shit.
>
> dc
True Buddhism isn't personal? Since when?
Cody
Cody
Let's see, Marc has been claiming that she committed suicide for years.
On another board, I read Terry saying that she died of a heart attack.
For some reason, I see an inconsistency there and wanted it cleared up
and everyone goes berserk, with Kurt even saying I care what size my
penis is. You come up with the above. Bridget doesn't seem to know what
to think. Marc goes astral. Strange reactions to my merely wanting the
truth. I knew April. You didn't. Bridget didn't OP didn't. Kurt didn't.
Even though none of you even knew her, you sure have a lot of opinions
about her.
Cody
marcinmd
> You and Cody need to go into a private chat room and figure out who has
> the bigger penis.
Try to control yourself..My contribution to this thread, which I did
not start or want, has been reasonable and accurate.
op
How so, Marc in that you tied the death of your acquaintance to the SGI and
NST. That obviously has nothing to do with why she died, as Terry and Cody
poined out. Therefore, Kurt is incorrect and you should get a private
room - just you, so that you can meditate on how lame that theory is huh? op
op
marcinmd
>
> Let's see, Marc has been claiming that she committed suicide for years.
> On another board, I read Terry saying that she died of a heart attack.
> For some reason, I see an inconsistency there and wanted it cleared up
> and everyone goes berserk, with Kurt even saying I care what size my
> penis is. You come up with the above. Bridget doesn't seem to know what
> to think. Marc goes astral. Strange reactions to my merely wanting the
> truth. I knew April. You didn't. Bridget didn't OP didn't. Kurt didn't.
> Even though none of you even knew her, you sure have a lot of opinions
> about her.
>
> Cody
I have certainly not gone "astral". I have given you the exact facts
including telling you the determination of the coroner as stated on her
death certificate.. She took nearly 100 Elival tabs that she had been
hoarding. She locked herself in her room along with her son Robin, 4
years old at the time and killed herself. The upstairs neighbors heard
him crying all night and finally called the cops.
No police force would ever discover a dead person who had died of
unknown circumstances and declare it on the spot a "heart attack"....
Okay? They give the body to the coroner and he and only he determines
a cause of death and then issues a determination on the formal death
cirtificate, which I still have a copy of.
Her son was then immediately put into foster care. I had to jump
through all kinds of hoops to quickly be certifide as a foster parent
and then I was given custody of Robin. After a few months of wrangling
between her sisters, I picked the one that would adopt him.. He is
eithteen now and doing great. His Aunt has been a great mother to him.
In terms of SGI NST politics, this all happened exactly at the moment
SGI ordered their members not to go to any NST Temple. I called several
top SGI leaders and told them what happened and ask how she could have
a service done for her. They had no idea and one of them even suggested
that she have funeral done by "her religion". I pointed out that she
considered herself "a Buddhist" and that I intended to see that she had
a Buddhist funeral. They were unprepared to even arrange something
informal.
I then went to the Maryland Temple and asked the Priest to preform the
service, which he did..To the emense credit of many SGI members, the
defide the ban and went to the Temple anyway and attended her funeral.
The top SGI leaders stayed away...
I have also given you a reasonable opinion of what Terry may be up to.
He may just be avoiding the issue because he wants to talk about her
on-line without the need to go into the details of her suicide... But I
do know that Terry certainly and without doubt knows the exact
circumstances of her death. I assume he is well intentioned in making a
cover story..
Cody's interest is strictly partisan..
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Cody
Technically, without an autopsy, we'll never really know. Your
explanation seems much better than Terry's and I thank you for it.
> Cody's interest is strictly partisan..
Not true. I just wanted to know what really happened. Now, thanks to
you, I do.
Cody
op
>
> >
>
> I have certainly not gone "astral". I have given you the exact facts
> including telling you the determination of the coroner as stated on her
> death certificate.. She took nearly 100 Elival tabs that she had been
> hoarding. She locked herself in her room along with her son Robin, 4
> years old at the time and killed herself. The upstairs neighbors heard
> him crying all night and finally called the cops.
>
> No police force would ever discover a dead person who had died of
> unknown circumstances and declare it on the spot a "heart attack"....
> Okay? They give the body to the coroner and he and only he determines
> a cause of death and then issues a determination on the formal death
> cirtificate, which I still have a copy of.
>
> Her son was then immediately put into foster care. I had to jump
> through all kinds of hoops to quickly be certifide as a foster parent
> and then I was given custody of Robin. After a few months of wrangling
> between her sisters, I picked the one that would adopt him.. He is
> eithteen now and doing great. His Aunt has been a great mother to him.
>
Juanjo
"op" <no...@buddhist.blog> wrote in message
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In all fairness to Marc, I think if you go back and reread his original
comment it does not suggest any specific tie-in to the SGI/NST. It mentions
that her death occurred at around the time of the split up between the two
groups. It does not suggest any causal link between the two, merely the
timing of the event. Marc and others at the of her death, strongly
suggested that the inappropriate bahaviour of certain SGI leaders who took
advantage of the woman's vulnerabilities at the time, may have played some
part in her decision to end her life. I think he still believes this as do
others who knew her and what occurred. This is not one of those "chant to
the wrong mandala and die" bits that some people are fond of passing out.
This is an event in which certain people believe that certain other people
exploited this woman's weaknesses for their own selfish gratification.
I never knew April but I recall when these event took pace, the impact they
had on various people and the posts made concerning the events at the time.
If Terry is saying she did not commit suicide then he is lying now or he was
lying then. I do not know why he is lying nor do I particularly care.
There was a time when he did not do contest the fact she took her own life.
But I think too many people here are over-reacting to what has been said
recently and not really reading the comments. In fairness to the young lady
in question, I think it would be best to just drop it.
marcinmd
>
> How so, Marc in that you tied the death of your acquaintance to the SGI and
> NST.
I said nothing of the sort.. I said that this happened at that
time..There was no causal tie..Read Jon's last post.. He seems to have
it right
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Marc,
I did what Jon suggested on his post here and looked up April Omara
here on ARBN. I found a post from many, many years ago by Kathy Ruby.
Kathy references April's death as a suicide.
So last night I sent Terry Ruby an e-mail asking him why he's
discussing a private individual on the internet and to please stop or
if he must discuss this then to please not use her name. It's a matter
of her privacy and the privacy of her son and family. No go he says.
Words to that effect.
I then sent him a reply asking him to clear up a few things for me
since he put it out there did he really think people weren't going to
question him?
Please tell the truth I asked him.
This morning I got an email back from him accusing me of playing ARBN
games and telling me to "get a life" or words to that effect.
So I can only surmise, based on Terry's response to me that he is now
lying about everything and he has reason to be so defensive.
How old was April when she died? I'm curious because it would be really
unusual for a young person to have a heart attack unless they were on
massive drugs like coke or something or had a congential heart defect
like some basketball players when they collapse and die on the court.
I read some stuff here about how April was possibly taken advantage of
by some in SGI leadership, Mr. Ruby included and I tried to clear it up
with Mr. Ruby but no go. If he's gonna put it out there he has to
answer questions or he shouldn't talk about it. I felt very sad for
April reading the stuff I did about her. She seemed very sad and alone
and I must ask why she felt that way and where were her friends when
she was going through these things. I can post my email to Terry Ruby
if anyone wants but out of respect for Mr. Ruby's privacy, something he
himself doesn't seem to respect but I do so I won't post his response
to me but will summarize it.
Marc, I want to say to you that you are really wonderful for taking her
son in and making sure that little boy had the best life and
guardian/mom possible. You are a true friend to the son and to his mom
April.
Peace,
Bridget
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marcinmd
>
> You wrote, and I quote, "Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that". I
> even provided an URL so you could check what he said before you put your
> foot in your mouth. <<
Just read it ( Sunday)..Terry knows better...
The reason I brought it up is that you've been using
> her "suicide" to push your agenda for years now. <<
if you say so..But the facts are as I have told you
The Wash. Post and the
> police say she died of a heart attack. <<
That is a false statement
What proof do you have other than
> your opinion that she died otherwise?<<
Her death cirtificate
>
> This has nothing to do with SGI or NST except in your twisted and sick
> mind. It does have A LOT to do with your credibility.<<
Cult abuse is not a small issue..... If you knew all the details, you
would be far more circumspect with your statements...
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Marc,
You know, at first I was uncomfortable with this whole thing but now
I'v read some old posts re; April and would like to know more about
her. Whatever you feel comfortable sharing with me about the life and
times of April would you send me an email to my rainergirl mail? I'd
like to know more about her.
Thanks,
Bridget
op
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op
guess this thread isn't being dropped. Sigh. opnews:1154294228.3...@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
marcinmd
Hugo Urquiza
All gossip and things that are so un-important...
Regards,
Hugo
Kurt
Kurt
"Juanjo" <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > How so, Marc in that you tied the death of your acquaintance to the SGI
> > and NST. That obviously has nothing to do with why she died, as Terry and
> > Cody poined out. Therefore, Kurt is incorrect and you should get a
> > private room - just you, so that you can meditate on how lame that theory
> > is huh? op
> > op
>
>
> In all fairness to Marc, I think if you go back and reread his original
> comment it does not suggest any specific tie-in to the SGI/NS
No, but couldn't help ending his post by integrating in a potshot at
NST/SGI.
This is what I found distasteful.
Chris
> Ivan wrote:
> > Cody wrote:
> > > According to Terry Ruby, April did not commit suicide but died of a
> > > heart attack.
> > >
> > > See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/66742
> > >
> > > Cody
> >
> > So, how did she die? And who is she? Enquiring minds want to know!
> Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that..She took pills and killed
> herself..Shame on you.
Marc, he accused me of seeking to defame him for referring to her
suicide in a reply to one of his re-posts of your "April Storm" story.
Since my knowledge is all second hand about this all I could do was to
point to sources and reply that I defamed nobody but was simply
reporting an old story that nobody had denied before.
In his post he claims she was loved and cherished to the end. Somehow
she didn't commit suicide -- her heart just "stopped." Frankly, at
this point Terry scares me.
Chris
Chris
marcinmd wrote:
Marc;
> She killed herself about the time of the split.
> She is being discussed now because Cody is bored and evil.
Actually I don't believe this came up solely because Cody is bored and
evil (though that probably has something to do with it). It came up
because Terry is making those claims you respond to.
> 2. ) Michael, why is it that Marc should be ashamed of himself? What
> did Marc do? Why is Marc saying she killed herself if the official
> reports says heart attack? I guess I just don't understand why she's
> being discussed online if she's been dead so long?<<
Bridget, it is Terry Ruby who is making those claims. Not Marc. I don't
think Marc has anything to be ashamed of here. But I don't know.
> The official report is the death certificate. It says her death was
> self inflicted..
>
> Questions?
What is the story. If you don't want to put it on ARBN you can email me
privately. I just want to know such facts as can be summarized so I can
put the subject to rest.
Chris
rainerg...@yahoo.com
At this point Chris I believe Marc's version of events, not Terry's. I
did a search of old April posts and found one where Kathy Ruby referred
to her death as a suicide. I'v had a few email exchanges on this with
Terry Ruby over the weekend and at this point it looks like he's shut
down the conversation with me. I asked him point blank if she
committed suicide and if he was involved romantically with her. I
asked him if the rumors are true that he fathered her child. He
refused to answer and in fact, based on what he wrote to me he thinks I
am someone else. He's confused. Maybe he's suffering some breakdown.
Either way, he is scary.
Bridget
op
"Chris" <chris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> marcinmd wrote:
>> Ivan wrote:
>> > Cody wrote:
>> > > According to Terry Ruby, April did not commit suicide but died of a
>> > > heart attack.
>> > >
>> > > See:
>> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SokaGakkaiInternational/message/66742
>> > >
>> > > Cody
>> >
>> > So, how did she die? And who is she? Enquiring minds want to know!
>> Wow..Terry never would tell anyone that..She took pills and killed
>> herself..Shame on you.
>
> Marc, he accused me of seeking to defame him for referring to her
> suicide in a reply to one of his re-posts of your "April Storm" story.
> Since my knowledge is all second hand about this all I could do was to
> point to sources and reply that I defamed nobody but was simply
> reporting an old story that nobody had denied before.
>
exact words in front of me) as being about "abandonment." which was what
the "defame" part was apparently all about. It seemed that Bill thought you
had "accidently" done it, and that Terry thought you had done it on purpose.
Either way, I read it that you were making a statement that was your
opinion, but not necessarily defamatory, based on the previous arbn posts on
the subject that you had read, portions of which you posted on the SGI
board.
> In his post he claims she was loved and cherished to the end.
She may have been, Chris, by many people. Maybe even Terry.
Somehow
> she didn't commit suicide -- her heart just "stopped." Frankly, at
> this point Terry scares me.
I am not sure why Terry is at this time presenting the "I don't know if she
committed suicide or not..the official verdict was a heart attack.."
version. It may be as Marc says that he wishes to present her memory in
what *he* considers to be a positive light. Maybe Terry is a person who
considers suicide to be in the category of an undesirable way to die - since
we have been on that topic here. I am not sure why Terry is scary to you
and Bridget. Would you mind explaining that to me? Is he scarier than
other religious fanatics?
Marc, on the other hand, blames the SGI and NSTfor April's death, and has
for years, though I can't remember why anymore. It seems to me that he has
never tied that to her suicide. He recently mentioned that the Maryland
priest at the time of the split conducted a memorial service for her and
that many Gakkai members (but not leaders) attended. So, how SGI and NST
let April down in Marc's eyes remains a mystery to me. op
>
>
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Hi Op,
It is Terry's fundimentalist attitude that i find frightening.
Sometimes it seems he is losing his grip. Like if you disagree with
him he comes unglued and starts attacking you personally. Like the
emails he sent me. He acted like I was a horrid person for even
questioning him yet he is the one who started it by posting about a
private person who died many years ago and nobody was even discussing
her. I still think he should not have even begun his April Storm
installments and if he felt some overpowering need to do so he should
not have used her real name. It's just wrong. I feel like he's using
her once again to satisfy some need inside himself.
At this point I really believe that terry did have an affair with her,
and maybe he did father her child. On that I don't know but based on
his emails to me I can come to no other conclussion to explain how
completly unglued he came at my questions.
It's the way he posturizes his position. I can imagine what he must
have been like in prison. All tough and stuck in his place of what is
right. It's just frightening to me when people, men especially act
like that. I can see them getting violent when things just aren't
going the way they think they should go. A real control freak.
The real sad thing is April. Whatever the reasons, whether she really
was alone or not, she felt alone. That's what is so sad to me. That
she killed herself because she saw no other way out of her pain. It
just makes me very sad for her.
Bridget
>
> >
> >
op
<rainerg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bridget, the only thing that I can see Terry doing is getting really
frustrated with Will's board, and lobbying SGI Central to issue some kind of
a memo with regard to the members who post there, something like he and
Kathy did with the IRG board. You know, trying to demonize the board and
the members who post there. Not that he and Kathy were the only ones who
did that with the IRG, but I can see that kind of action coming from someone
with Terry's frame of reference.
As for April, it IS sad. Suicide's are always sad. My best friend's
husband committed suicide. He suffered from bouts of depression all of his
life, and took his life at the age of 29. It was horrible, and traumatic
for his wife and child. Many people loved him, but could not stop him from
his deep despair that led him to that act. This to me is another reason why
I think that we have to look at how someone has lived, not how they have
died. He was a wonderful man overall.
op
>> >
>
Chris
> > Chris, I think I remember the posts as being (although I don't have the
> > exact words in front of me) as being about "abandonment." which was what
> > the "defame" part was apparently all about. It seemed that Bill thought you
> > had "accidently" done it, and that Terry thought you had done it on purpose.
> > Either way, I read it that you were making a statement that was your
> > opinion, but not necessarily defamatory, based on the previous arbn posts on
> > the subject that you had read, portions of which you posted on the SGI
> > board.
> >
> In his post he claims she was loved and cherished to the end.
> She may have been, Chris, by many people. Maybe even Terry.
Bridget:
> It is Terry's fundimentalist attitude that i find frightening.
> Sometimes it seems he is losing his grip. Like if you disagree with
> him he comes unglued and starts attacking you personally. Like the
> emails he sent me. He acted like I was a horrid person for even
> questioning him yet he is the one who started it by posting about a
> private person who died many years ago and nobody was even discussing
> her. I still think he should not have even begun his April Storm
> installments and if he felt some overpowering need to do so he should
> not have used her real name. It's just wrong. I feel like he's using
> her once again to satisfy some need inside himself.
I find him frightening too, expecially about this issue. At the time
the fights first appeared here on ARBN I had no idea of what was going
on. All I knew is that I thought it was in bad taste to publish those
"April Storm" posts about her and that knowing the allegations made me
cry about what happened to her. And I decided to post the "rest of the
story" every time he does so.
Chris;
> Somehow
> she didn't commit suicide -- her heart just "stopped." Frankly, at
> this point Terry scares me.
Op:
> > I am not sure why Terry is at this time presenting the "I don't know if she
> > committed suicide or not..the official verdict was a heart attack.."
> > version. It may be as Marc says that he wishes to present her memory in
> > what *he* considers to be a positive light. Maybe Terry is a person who
> > considers suicide to be in the category of an undesirable way to die - since
> > we have been on that topic here. I am not sure why Terry is scary to you
> > and Bridget. Would you mind explaining that to me? Is he scarier than
> > other religious fanatics?
> > Marc, on the other hand, blames the SGI and NSTfor April's death, and has
> > for years, though I can't remember why any more. It seems to me that he has
> > never tied that to her suicide. He recently mentioned that the Maryland
> > priest at the time of the split conducted a memorial service for her and
> > that many Gakkai members (but not leaders) attended. So, how SGI and NST
> > let April down in Marc's eyes remains a mystery to me. op
Bridget:
> At this point I really believe that terry did have an affair with her,
> and maybe he did father her child. On that I don't know but based on
> his emails to me I can come to no other conclussion to explain how
> completly unglued he came at my questions.
Chris:
I hope that is all it is.
> It's the way he posturizes his position. I can imagine what he must
> have been like in prison. All tough and stuck in his place of what is
> right. It's just frightening to me when people, men especially act
> like that. I can see them getting violent when things just aren't
> going the way they think they should go. A real control freak.
I find it frightening too.
> The real sad thing is April. Whatever the reasons, whether she really
> was alone or not, she felt alone. That's what is so sad to me. That
> she killed herself because she saw no other way out of her pain. It
> just makes me very sad for her.
That was my point. And that is probably what infuriates the guy.
Chris
rainerg...@yahoo.com
Yes OP exactly. Terry is demonizing Will's group. Trying to get SGI
to take some official stand against the group and the members who post
there. He is pushy and controlling and a liar and he will use those
traits to get his way. Like the bully on the playground. His wife is
NO better. Both liars. I can't stand lying people.
If the SGI did take an official position against Will's group or it's
members that would definetly seal it for me.
I'v had several people close to me kill themselves. It is hell for
those of us left behind. We are the one's left trying to sort it all
out and pick up the pieces of our shattered lives.
I too have suffered depression all of my life and I understand all too
well the despair that can lead to someone killing themselves. That is
why I can relate to April and feel so badly for her. Nobody should
feel so utterly alone and in so much pain that they have to kill
themselves to get out of it. That's why I feel so sad for her. I
feel, based on what I have read that April was taken advantage of by
some in leadership position. I feel it is wrong and I feel the SGI has
culpability for April's death because they put her into a position of
crossing paths with the leaders who did take advantage of a emotionally
fragile young woman.
Terry's posting of April's Storm, 14 years after her death and changing
the cause of death just shows that he hasn't taken any responsibility
for anything he did that may have played any part in her death. If
he's really changed and learned anything his story would reflect that
and he would be educating people on their responsibilities as leaders
to "do no harm" to their members. He would take full responsiblity for
his part and own up to it like a man. He's just trying to change the
history to alleviate his own guilt or glorify himself. Not sure which.
Either way, I have about as much respect for him as I do a child
molester.
Bridget
> >
marcinmd
>
> In his post he claims she was loved and cherished to the end. Somehow
> she didn't commit suicide -- her heart just "stopped." Frankly, at
> this point Terry scares me.
>
> Chris
Chris I had no intention of accusing you of anything. I didnt even
realize you were involved in the discussion..
Yes, your heart will stop after you swallow 100 Elivil Tabs...
I dont know know what is up with Terry these days. Dont press it, he is
probably just emoting.
marcinmd
Chris,
I just re-read this.. Ignore my first reply.. I must be tired (
soooo..soooo Tired:)
I now understand what you wrote. Terry accused you of defaming him..Got
it.
Leave him be... I am sure he is suffering.
marcinmd
.
>
> In his post he claims she was loved and cherished to the end. Somehow
> she didn't commit suicide -- her heart just "stopped." Frankly, at
> this point Terry scares me.
>
> Chris
Let it rest..Old Biz.... All those who were involved know everthing...
Better to spend some time chanting/praying for April .
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