The Ruby's are payed cult leaders of SGI.

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Terry look at your miserable existence you're a mess. You are in a Total
state of madness. All this weird stuff going on in your life. Can you not see
how you sound and how this all looks. As far as Buddhism goes you do not have
a clue. You only know Soka Ikdeaism. I would never come back to the SGI's
cult. I owe my life to Kempon Hokke as they helped me get out of the mind
control of SGI. Kempon Hokke kai is growing faster than you can ever imagine
because it is a genuine Nichiren sect of Buddhism.

We are the ones who uphold the Lotus Sutra. Bruce and Stephanie have more
integrity than you will ever have or see in your confused mixed up tainted
life, for am sure thousands of years to come into the future. Your slander is
extremely grave indeed. You have lied about everything, and have attacked the
Buddha's samgha. I am sure Nichiren thinks of you, and your wife as a truly
evil people, and his enemies. I say this from my deep prayers to the Gohonzon
because of your slander of Nichiren's teachings and Kempon Hokke. I have a
real object of worship not a twisted SGI honzon. There is not a single thing
that you have posted about your distorted SGI theology that has not been
completely demolished by Kempon Hokke time and time again. You have made up
lie after lie about Kempon Hokke. The causes you are making are parallel to
Honen's or Ryokan or Hei no Seamon. So, I would not ignore this merciful
warning.

I am done talking with you as I have much better things to do with my life
then argue with someone who has made the horrific causes you have, and you
have definitely lost your original mind. SGI has turned you into a extremely
evil person, and bad spiritual friend.

I promise you if you do not apologize to Bruce, Mark, myself , and Kempon
Hokke you will receive the horrific effect that one receive for slandering
the Buddha's son and daughters. I think you should immediately apologize to
the Buddha Shakyamuni for you slander of the Lotus Sutra and distorting
Nichiren's teachings. You have know idea what I have overcome since I have
left the SGI cult. You are so arrogant to think you know more about Buddhism
than Senchu Murano or many other scholars. All you and your extremely
confused and mentally disturbed wife do is yell and call people sick names. I
have e-mail from your wife that is just vile, but I will spare you that
embarrassment for now as I think this letter says it all. I will not respond
to you or your twisted wife again. If I receive any more hate mail from you
it will be deleted. I have completely demolished you , and your wife fairly
in open debate, but you just send hate mail, or you and spouse just say we
win, which is the history and sick legacy of the SGI cult.

I hope you and your wife will get some professional help. There are doctors
of psychology who help people trapped in cults. If you are sincere and need
some support, and if you apologize, I may help you. There are some things
happening that will shake the very foundation of SGI, and it is based on
SGI's public record, and illegal dealings. Which by the way will be all my
doing. Then you will know who I am. And believe me if you think am Bruce just
call Mr Zaitzu or Mrs Zaitzu they know my wife and I very well. Mr Zaitzu
violated my wife and I on our wedding day, and he is a liar too. So, you
should get along well. SGI members are good people when they first join, but
as time goes by they become evil and twisted from distorting Nichiren's
teaching's and the Lotus Sutra. This is very evident in your life.

The time is up for your cult activities as I will not stand by and let the
SGI destroy other peoples lives any more. I am helping educate America about
SGI and NST as we speak. I can not believe your upside down interpretation of
Nichiren's doctrine and the Lotus Sutra. You have know idea how strange it is
to someone who is not brainwashed. It is ridiculous!

I have been told that you had a child with April Omara and it was from
another one of the many people you are fighting with. I just got the e-mail
today. You should look at your life Terry, and try to help this girls baby if
you can. I completely believe this to be the truth just by the language in
your letters to me and so many others. And I know you are responsible for the
Web page!!

Discussed: Have some compassion for the baby Terry!

Steve

Terry writes:

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>Delivered-To: lotu...@cyberis.net
>From: TRuby2b <TRu...@aol.com>
>Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:26:14 EDT
>To: lotu...@cyberis.net
>Subject: Are you another Bruce Fraud?
>
>Bruce has perpetuated so many frauds on this ng, that every time that some
>not-so-smart and slightly-mentally-ill person shows up on this ng heaping
>praise on Bruce we naturally expect it to be Bruce again.
>
>If you are not Bruce, you do appear to be slimy enough to be in the so-called
>KHI. Your absence improves the Gakkai.
>
>Thanks for leaving.
>
>Terry
>//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Steve writes:

>This alone demolishishes every thing you have ever posted about the ridiculous true Buddha theory, and much more!!

Kempon Hokke Kai is of the same mind as Nichiren. By upholding the Lotus
Sutra in mappo we are able to see the clear reflection of the three truths
inherent within the Sutra itself.

This holds a key to what having faith in the Eternal Buddha's life-span
means. We are able through faith to see that we ourselves are at once the
tathagata of Original enlightenment, possessing the three buddha-bodies in
one.

Without faith in the Eternal life of the Tathagata of the 16th chapter our
minds of faith cannot grasp the profound meaning of the Three Buddha-bodies
(The Three Truths.)

Therefore those who disregard the revelation in the 16th & 17th chapter of
the announcement of Shakamuni's Eternal life cannot receive the blessings
from the Lotus Sutra.

Having faith in his eternal life is the highest form of being filial and the
practice of fuju-fuse. When we understand and believe in the Eternal life of
the Original Buddha Shakaymuni we realize that we our own selves are
Myohorengekyo and our true self is also eternal!

Lets examine our own lives. Are WE Bodhisvattas of the Earth??? It's hard to
fathom the possibility in terms of our reality. Is our life really so
meaningful., can we truly transcend our seemingly mundane existence? As mere
humans infested with all 108 earthly desires and fettered with all the
attachments to this saha world, how could we possess such virtue and vow
power as stated in the Lotus Sutra?

"Springing up out of the Earth"

["Ajita! Know thou! All these Bodhisattvas, From numberless kalpas, Have
studied the Buddha-wisdom. All of them are my converts, Whom I have caused to
desire the Great Way. These are my sons Who dwell in this [Buddha-] world,
Ever practicing the dhuta deeds, Joyfully devoted to quiet places, Shunning
the clamor of the crowds, With no pleasure in much talk. Such sons as these
Are learning the Law of my Way, Always zealous day and night For the sake of
seeking the Buddha-way; They dwell in space Beneath the saha-world. Firm in
their power of will and memory, Ever diligently seeking after wisdom, They
preach all kinds of wonderful laws, Having no fear in their minds. I, [near]
the city of Gaya, Sitting beneath the Bodhi tree, Accomplished Perfect
Enlightment; And rolling the supreme Law-wheel, I have then taught and
converted them And caused them first to aspire to the Way. Now all abide in
the never-relapsing [state] And all will become buddhas. What I now speak is
the truth; Believe me with single minds! I from a long distant past Have
instructed all this host." ] (Threefold Lotus Sutra pg. 244 & 245
verse-chapter fifteen.

After reading this verse we may say, "I can't remember this, how could it
be?" Can it be explained in terms we can understand? Can our minds grasp
the profound words of the Buddha?

The answer is no, we can't understand in terms of mind. We can only
understand through faith in the Lotus Sutra.

When we examine the Lotus Sutra carefully, we see many forms of proof that
we are Bodhisattvas. Whether we translate the proof into faith is totally
subjective.

For example: The prediction that bodhisattva Jogyo (Eminent Conduct) would
appear, [pg 300 Three Fold Lotus Sutra], "After the Tathagata is extinct
[such a one], Knowing [This] Sutra that the Buddha has taught, [Together
with] its reasoning and process, Shall expound it according to its true
meaning. Just as the light of the sun and moon Can dispel the darkness, So
this man, working in the world, can disperse the gloom of the living and
cause numberless Bodhisattvas Finally to abide in the One Vehicle."

The Law (Myohorengekyo) it self as expounded in terms of Ichinen Sanzen,
(three thousand existence contained in one thought) as revealed in chapter
sixteen is further poof. In this chapter Shakyamuni reveals his eternal life
and that even people in the two vehicles sravaka , pratyekabuddha and
icchantika can become buddhas.

The 16th chapter reveals that all beings possess the ten realms hell to
buddhahood. All ten realms contain one another so there exists a 100 realms
in one mind. Each of these 100 realms, furthermore, consists of "three
factors", that is to say, living beings, the environment in which we live,
and the five elements of living beings, (matter, perception, conception,
volition, and consciousness). It also possesses the ten aspects or ten
factors ( form, nature, substance, function, action, cause, condition,
effect, reward, and the ultimate equality of these aspects).

Thus, 30 modes of existence are in one realm and 3,000 modes of existence in
100 realms. In short 3,000 modes of existence are contained in a mind at any
given moment. When there is mind, even for a momentary flash, 3,000 modes of
existence are in it thus a mind is unfathomable. ( Kanjin honzon-sho)

These concepts are something we can relate to in our every day life. We
experience these realms as emotions and differing moods that constantly occur
to us moment to moment. These concepts coincide with natural laws and
principles of science and the human psyche our (essential nature).

Lets look at the 10 aspects in terms of our buddhahood. The Lotus Sutra
explains our own self is the Tathagata or Original enlightenment that
possesses the three buddha bodies in one. " Only a buddha together with a
buddha can fathom the reality of All Existence, that is to say, all existence
[has] such a form, such a nature, such an embodiment, such a potency, such a
function, such a primary cause, such a secondary cause, such an effect, such
a recompense, and such a complete fundamental whole." (Chap. 2 Threefold
Lotus Sutra).

Hence the 10 suchnesses!

First the Suchness of our characteristics the color and form of our body
which refers to our manifested-body Tathagata or Law body, emancipation the
truth of our provisional existence.

Second the Suchness of our nature, which is the nature of our minds. The
recompense-body Tathagata, reward-body the truth of emptiness.

Third the Suchness of our essence, which refers to our physical entity. The
mutation-body or response-body the Dharma-body, Middle way.

Therefore the three suchnesses are in the one body or the body of the buddha
is three bodies.

The three Suchnesses correspond to the three Tathagata bodies. We should not
think of these three buddha-bodies as existing apart from our own self, they
are ourselves.

This is what is meant when we say Myohorengekyo is the capital of thusness.
Wherein does the Wonderful Dharma reside? "Do not seek it far, for it dwells
within our hearts. Even if it does, we cannot know it until we meet the Lotus
Sutra. It is like not being able to see our faces without a mirror. Only when
we see ourselves in the mirror called the Lotus Sutra do we see our Buddha
nature for the first time. We shall call this Buddha nature in us the Lotus
Sutra. But the Buddha nature does not appear on its own. It appears only when
the title of the Lotus Sutra is recited." (Ibid., p. 497)

When we understand this we can be called a person who has begun to understand
the Lotus Sutra. With these three aspects or Suchnesses being the beginning,
the remaining seven emerge, making all ten aspects, which forms all hundred
realms, the thousand suchnesses and the three thousand realms.

These expand into many doctrines which are called the repository of eighty
thousand dharmas. They originate with the single dharma of the three
buddha-bodies or three truths. There are no other doctrines apart from the
three truths. Because the 100 realms correspond to the truth of the
provisional existence; the 1000 suchnesses, to the truth of emptiness; and
the 3000 realms, to the truth of the middle way.

Therefore emptiness and provisional existence and the middle way are the
three truths. They expand into the many doctrines of the 100 realms, 1000
suchnesses and 3000 realms, all originate from a single doctrine, the three
buddha-bodies or three truths.

The first three aspects (suchnesses) and the three truths of the next seven ,
are the same as the first three truths "Thus the ultimate equality of the
Original and the Last" So the principle within ourselves is but a single
thing.

This of course is inconceivable that the beginning and end are ultimately
equal. This is what the buddha teaches us in the sutra which is called "The
suchness of their ultimate equality from beginning to end." [hom-matsu ku kyo
to].

The three truths are the three Tathagata bodies , which means that we
ourselves are at once the Tathagata of Original enlightenment, possessing the
three buddha-bodies in one. So when we believe in the Eternal Buddha of the
16th chapter of the Lotus Sutra we believe that our lives are Myohorengekyo
and we are the buddha body.

Myohorengekyo forms the substance of the human body inherent and eternally
abiding, which again is the Tathagata of original enlightment. The Buddha
ourselves and all living beings are in principle and nature one and without
separation.

Some people may ask why we must chant the sutra's title and not just meditate
and contemplate it? It would seem the same. T'ien-t'ai refers to "reciting or
remaining silent." "Reciting" indicates the sutra. " Remaining silent"
indicates contemplation.

T'ien-t'ai writes; "Myohorengekyo is the inner storehouse of the exceeding
profundity of the original ground; ... it is what all tathagatas of the three
time periods have obtained." Thus, when we chant Myohorengekyo, the Buddha of
original enlightenment will appear within our minds. Our body and minds are
like a storehouse, and the character myo, to the seal that opens it.
T'ien-t'ai states "It opens the secret innermost storehouse; this is termed
myo (wonderful). It demonstrates the correct principles of true and
provisional; therefore, it is termed ho (dharma). It indicates the original
effect (obtained by the Buddha) in the distant past; for this, ren (lotus) is
used as a metaphor. It encompasses (everything) in the perfect path of
non-duality; this is illustrated by ge (blossom). The voice does the Buddha's
work; this is termed kyo sutra." He also states, " The word myo praises the
inconceivable Dharma. Moreover, myo indicates the ten realms, ten suchnesses
and all provisional and true teachings."

In regard to the Lotus Sutra when we at each moment perceive the purport of
threefold contemplation in a single thought-moment, oneself being the
Tathagata of original enlightenment is realized and manifested.

If we have a bad dream it seems very real and we may believe it to be reality
for that moment. However we are glad to wake up and realize its not reality
at all, but only a dream . Awaking from this dream would be similar to
awakening to the truth which has always existed within our true self, a
Buddha who possesses the three buddha-bodies in one. Our essential nature is
Myoho renge kyo.

As for the essence of Myoho renge kyo: It is said that the eight-petalled
lotus flower [myohorengekyo] is the nature of our mind. This being the case,
our essential nature is Myoho-renge-kyo therefore, it's not just the name of
a sutra but the essence of our own life.

If we can understand and grasp this through faith , we become the Lotus
Sutra. The Buddha preached the Lotus Sutra which is the essence of
Myohorengekyo and ourselves, so we ourselves are at once the tathagata of
Original Enlightenment three buddha bodies in one.

This is in perfect accord with the Ceremony in the Air depicted in the
mandala that Bodhisattva Jogyo [Nichiren] inscribed, he states: This is not
my creation but is the honzon created by Shakyamuni and other Buddhas in the
Stupa of Treasures.

Further he states: Thus, without exception, all Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, great
sages, and eight groups of creatures in the two realms (of desire and matter)
who were present in the first "Introductory" chapter of the sutra are all
seated in the honzon. Illuminated by rays of light emanating from the
characters "Namu Myoho Renge Kyo," all have been transformed into Buddhas,
whom they originally were. This is the honzon, stated in chapter 2,
"Expedients," of the Lotus Sutra as the "true aspect of all existing things."

Miao-le has interpreted it to mean that true reality cannot exist without
taking into account all things, and that all existing things necessarily
possess ten aspects, which must exist in the ten realms. There must thus, in
the ten realms, be seen the physical form of the Buddha and the land where He
lives. Miao-le also has said that the profound principle of the reality of
all existing things is therefore inherent to the Lotus Sutra. (Nichinyo Gozen
Go-henji)

Hence the most important of the religious writings of Northern Buddhism is
the Saddharma-Pundarika-Sutra (Japanese:Hokkekyo) or the Lotus of the True
Law. Generally referred to in the Orient as the Lotus sutra, it has been
described as the most precious jewel among all Buddhist sacred writings.

The astronomical concepts the Buddha reveals throughout the Sutra is
staggering when we reflect on the fact that this Sutra was expounded over
3,000 years ago. The concept of major world systems and the measure of time
given in relation to our vast universe is incredible to say the least.

For instance in chapter 16 the Eternal Buddha Shakyamuni says " Thus it is ,
since I became Buddha in a very far distant past, [that my] lifetime is of
infinite asamkhyeya kalpas, forever existing and immortal." And in the same
chp. "For instance , suppose there were five hundred thousand myriad kotis of
nayutas of asamkhyeya three-thousand-great-thousandfold worlds: let someone
grind them into dust atoms, pass eastward through five hundred thousand
myriad kotis of nayutas of asamkhyeya countries, and then drop one of those
atoms: suppose he thus proceeded eastward till he had finished those atoms-
what do you think, my good sons, is it possible to imagine and calculate all
those worlds so as to know their number." This is beyond our own knowledge of
reckoning as Maitreya and the others said to the Buddha.

When America was first discovered people thought the world was flat. When
Sakyamuni preached the Sutra people thought he attained enlightenment for the
first time under the Bodhi tree, which illistrates mans delusions. The truth
being the Lotus Sutra and Shakamuni's Enlightenment are eternal spanning
past, present, and future. And of course the world is round.

This lends a great deal of credence and wonderment at how this could be, that
Shakyamuni could expound such profundity over 3,000 years ago. Which I
believe is proof of his eternal life!

This brings up the question on how any Nichiren sect could not follow what
the Sutra teaches and what the Daishonin says over and over throughout all
his writings. That Shakamuni is the Eternal Buddha, Nichiren writes: "First,
in Japan and all the other countries thought the world, the object of worship
should, on all cases, be the Lord Shakamuni of true Buddhism." (Mw) vol 4,
Repaying Debts of Gratitude, pg 271)

Quote after quote Nichiren says this, I could fill this entire news letter
easily with various testimonies to this doctrinal fact, but I fear I have
already made this letter to long and will spear the readers. I believe this
quote is crystal clear!

Kempon Hokke is the only Nichiren sect that I personally have been able to
discern to be in accordance with what the Lotus Sutra teaches. We accept only
the Buddha's and the Daishonin's own words and teachings.

Gassho,
Steve

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Kathy Ruby

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Re: The Ruby's are payed ...

We are [payed] paid ??? Paid how? Where's my check?
Where's my damn check? ROTFL!!

Steve, your posts are complete lies from the title to the conclusion. As
for debate, you have no idea what that is -- you have never responded to
one point we've made. You snip the Gosho and just post the same Bruce and
Stephanie spam over and over.

When you finally wake up from your KH poisoning, drop us a line and let us
know how much better you feel. Have a nice life.

Kathy

pan...@cal.cybersurf.net

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Apr 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/25/98

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In article <6hs39q$h2p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
lotu...@cyberis.net wrote:

not wrote, he sayed, like payed.

lotuseek, if you seek to share information with the world may I suggest you
treat the world with respect. Which means before simply repeated wild rumours
"my Japanese teacher says Ikeda is in jail," you do us all the favour of
actually finding out information. Trust me, it may save you from looking like
a complete idiot.

tell me, is "payed" an attempt at irony? is it some subtle form of humour I am
missing.

Or is it, consistent with the unresearched grab bag of KHK, simply laziness?

--
Keith Robinson
Member, SGI

Dr. Danto

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98

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On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:22:48 -0600, pan...@cal.cybersurf.net wrote:
>may I suggest you>treat the world with respect.
>Which means before simply repeated wild rumours

> you do us all the favour of>actually finding out information.
>Trust me, it may save you from looking like
>a complete idiot.

>Keith Robinson
>Member, SGI

ipcress7 # hotmail . com (Danto UK) wrote:
> Whilst Nigel Lloyd (Soka Gakkai's premium Propagandist on WWW) takes
> the trouble to tell the world that his page is not condoned by SGI -
> no doubt after pressure from embarrassed arbners - he continues to
> post the lies of the Soka Gakkai reformist Priets group.

The creepy cultist says:
>Peerhaps ipcress7 would care to identify some of these "lies"? One of these
>"lies?" Any of the reform priest "lies?"
>In fact they have been amazingly accurate, which is what ipcress7 is actually
>uncomfortable about.
>Keith Robinson, SGI member

Now a word from the complete idiots of SGI:
Soka Gakkai K.O.O.K. Websites linked from the official SGI.org
homepage and fully endorsed by the organization...

"Nichiren Buddhism shines philosophically because it represents
the vehicle of individual empowerment, that is, each individual
has within the power to overcome the inevitable sufferings of life
and, become a positive influence in ones community, country and
the world. Nichiren's Buddhism is revolutionary because it
enables us to develop the wisdom to understand and act upon
the profound connection between our own happiness and that of
others. The greatest personal satisfaction and fulfillment in life is
realized by working for the happiness of others
These values are expressed in the SGI's Charter, which
embodies core beliefs in the ideal of world citizenship, the spirit
of tolerance, and the safeguarding of fundamental human rights."
Source: sgi.org homepage
3.SGI shall respect and protect the freedom of religion and religious
expression.

7.SGI shall, based on the Buddhist spirit of tolerance, respect other
religions...
SOURCE: sgi.org homepage http://www.sgi.org/about/charter.html

Rogowdoc

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98

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Pantry, you write:

>>>>>Or is it, consistent with the unresearched grab bag of KHK, simply
laziness?>>>>>

Al Albergate writes:

Dear Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request for a formal debate between
members of SGI and the Kempon Hokke. Thank you for the offer. We are well aware
of the claims of the Kempon Hokke Sect and those claims have been thoroughly
refuted in the past in Japan. We see no reason to repeat this exercise. If you
have something new and would like to meet individually to discuss these
matters, please let me know.

Sincerely,

Al Albergate
SGI-USA Director of Community Relations
525 Wilshire Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90401
Tel: (310) 260-8958
Fax: (310) 260-8917
Email: aalbe...@sgi-usa.org
>>

Since you can not supply proof that the DaiGohonzon is authentic,
something in Nichiren's or Nikko's own hand that Nikko is the sole successor
and most importantly something in Nichiren's hand refuting that Shakyamuni is
the Eternal Buddha, it is clear why you will not debate with us. Unless you can
supply proof of these three important matters we will declare the Kempon Hokke
the de facto winner of this debate and the most orthodox school of Nichiren's
Buddhism. If I do not hear from you within two weeks, I will publically post
your letter and my response and will mail it to the Kempon Hokke in Japan, the
Nichiren Shu executive commitee, the Buddhist Tricycle magazine and any other
American and Japanese Buddhist information resource centers we are able to
research. BTW Al, you are always welcome to visit my family and me and stay
with us as long as you like.

Mark

BTW Keith, "in the past", I assume Al means the debate of 1955 between
the Nichiren Shu and the SGI youth division in Hokkaido. The SGI claims they
won, but the nichiren Shu contention is that the "great win" by the SGI was
really a shameful display of the sheer mass of SGI members who were shouting,
"We win, we win".
Anyway, this had nothing to do with the Kempon Hokke. By 1948, the
Kempon Hokke, once again, had nothing to do with the Nichiren Shu. Certainly,
this event, whatever the real outcome, has even less to do with the Kempon
Hokke in America.
Also, Steve's "mistake" was far less severe than Terrys' mistakes
concerning the Kempon Hokke found on his web site and I believe Steve's
intention was not to present this as fact but rather as satire.

Mark

Kathy Ruby

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Rogowdoc writes:
> Also, Steve's "mistake" was far less severe than Terrys' mistakes
> concerning the Kempon Hokke found on his web site and I believe Steve's
> intention was not to present this as fact but rather as satire.

Terry and I DO NOT HAVE A WEB SITE. DON'T HAVE ONE!

If we did we would have something worthwhile on it, rather than wasting
bandwidth on your tiny sect. Please let the rest of your sect know this.

>
> Mark
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark

How many of you are there??

Kathy

Rogowdoc

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98

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Kathy, you write:

>>>>>How many of you are there??>>>>>

More and more, day by day and month after month.

Mark

JulianLZB87

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Apr 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/26/98

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Kathy Ruby wrote in message <01bd70b3$2f0426a0$ce34accf@pavilion>...

>Rogowdoc writes:
>> Also, Steve's "mistake" was far less severe than Terrys' mistakes
>> concerning the Kempon Hokke found on his web site and I believe Steve's
>> intention was not to present this as fact but rather as satire.
>
>Terry and I DO NOT HAVE A WEB SITE. DON'T HAVE ONE!

I am not aware that they have EVER had on either.
Rog. Please post the URL.

>
>How many of you are there??

In my experience people tend to miss the point of that question.

JulianLZB87

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Rogowdoc wrote in message
<199804260203...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>
> Kathy, you write:
>
>>>>>>How many of you are there??>>>>>
>

> More and more, day by day and month after month.

Things determined by most voices
are not the greatest truths
but noises.

ps. I am ready for multiple ejaculations of "but SGI has most members" or
words to that effect.

~LD

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lotu...@cyberis.net wrote:
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> There are some things
> happening that will shake the very foundation of SGI, and it is based on
> SGI's public record, and illegal dealings. Which by the way will be all my
> doing. Then you will know who I am. And believe me if you think am Bruce just
> call Mr Zaitzu or Mrs Zaitzu they know my wife and I very well. Mr Zaitzu
> violated my wife and I on our wedding day, and he is a liar too. So, you
> should get along well.

<snip>

1. What "things" that will "shake the foundation" of a lay
organization are
"happening," which, for some perverse reason, you wish to be
accredited for?

2. What did this Mr. & Mrs. Z. do to "violate" you and your wife on your
"wedding day?" No one wishes mishaps on a special occasion, as in a
wedding, and if indeed you had a bitter experience, my sympathies
merely as
a fellow human being, not on behalf of any parties involved as I do
not
know Mr. & Mrs. Z.

You may e-mail me if you wish. ~ Lady_D...@rocketmail.com

TRuby2b

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If I had a web site, I would have told everyone about it. I would put the
address at the bottom of my posts.

I would not waste any web space on the so-called "KHI."

My interests pertain to Buddhism. Like most books about Buddhism, my web site
(if I were to have one.) would not have any mention of the so-called KHI or
even the real KH that is in Japan. Japanese funeral sects are a dime a dozen.
They have little, if anything, to do with Buddhism.

Terry

Scott E. Baird

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> Since you can not supply proof that the DaiGohonzon is authentic,
>something in Nichiren's or Nikko's own hand that Nikko is the sole successor
>and most importantly something in Nichiren's hand refuting that Shakyamuni is
>the Eternal Buddha, it is clear why you will not debate with us.

It would be like debating the Mormans or with the Islamic Jihad.
There serves no purpose in debating with people who, prior to the
debate, are convinced of their rightesness and unwilling to enter with
an open mind. I imagine a debate with you would end up with you
stating, over and over and over again, "There is nothing in Nichiren
or Nikko's own hand...." without realizing that there are probably
hundreds of items that were in his own hand that no longer exist.

Those documents that do exist, you don't believe are true. "it is
not in his handwritting...", "Oral teachings do not count..." and many
other statements made by you would keep a debate from ever being
anything more than a circus.

>Unless you can
>supply proof of these three important matters we will declare the Kempon Hokke
>the de facto winner of this debate and the most orthodox school of Nichiren's
>Buddhism.

Congratualtions. According to you, and your requirements of proof,
you win. Have fun with it. Feel better now?

The rest of us will contine to believe as we do, using our lives as
proof of correct practice. Whether you believe so or not, worries us
not one iota.

>If I do not hear from you within two weeks, I will publically post
>your letter and my response and will mail it to the Kempon Hokke in Japan, the
>Nichiren Shu executive commitee, the Buddhist Tricycle magazine and any other
>American and Japanese Buddhist information resource centers we are able to
>research.

Don't forget the watchbuddha web site!

Scott

No matter what side of an arguement your on, you'll always
have some people on your side you wish were on the other side.
- Jascha Heifetz

Remove the "_" after "loki" if responding via email.

Bruce Maltz

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Scott E. Baird wrote:

> stating, over and over and over again, "There is nothing in Nichiren
> or Nikko's own hand...." without realizing that there are probably
> hundreds of items that were in his own hand that no longer exist.
>

Wrong. 771 documents do exist,and more that are reliable copies,
and isn't it very very very very strange,
that none of the dox that support your wicked theory no longer exist...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Bruce

JulianLZB87

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Bruce Maltz wrote in message <354B5577...@cris.com>...

How about, considering you are setting your self up as some type of
authority on dox,
about the Rokkan Sho?

Does it exist? Have you read it? Will you post it?

Scott E. Baird

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On 02 May 1998 13:19:48 EDT, Bruce Maltz <fuju...@cris.com> wrote:

>Wrong. 771 documents do exist,and more that are reliable copies,
>and isn't it very very very very strange,
>that none of the dox that support your wicked theory no longer exist...

>hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>Bruce

Isnt it even stranger that my "wicked theory" provides benefit after
benefit within my own life? Stranger still is that it does so based
on "dox" you insist no longer exist........

I'm happy with my faith. It has worked for the past several years,
and I imagine that it will continue to do so, no matter what your
deviant attitude towards my faith is. I could care less...