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Brad Klee

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Sep 15, 2021, 10:30:39 PM9/15/21
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Notice that even Shikinami Chas knows just to "let it be"
with Crazy Ivan's brilliant gospel preaching online.

Some other people, anonymous of course, seem to enjoy
shit posting racist memes online, now with a countdown
threatening what? No one is scared at all.

I'm sitting here wondering: Are these Q-Anon linker losers
sexually retarded, or what? Why waste time on this?

If they keep up this negative copy + paste behavior, I'm
afraid no one should feel any sympathy whatsoever,
and realize that they could be part of a bot army.

Ours is much better Love: This song "Sky Kisses Earth",
Prem Joshua, absolutely nothing to do with Q-Anon!

Shut up Q-Anon Losers! Leave Crazy Ivan alone and don't
bring down his preaching with your loser C+P bullshit!

Cheers,

--Brad

Chas.

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Sep 16, 2021, 2:33:27 AM9/16/21
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Ha! Brad Klee calling out QAnon losers. Right, I'm really convinced after your very QAnon pretense of coming in with widely varied slanders of the Law to the Nichiren Daishonin Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra newsgroup NAMED AFTER Nichiren. Yeah, that's just straight out of the Texan QAnon training manual, (1) enter a platform, (2) create chaos, (3) mount the pile of debris left after everyone gives up and departs and then (4) launch a QAnon spewing volcano for Trump.

No one is fooled, Brad Qlee.

-Chas.

Brad Klee

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Sep 16, 2021, 8:09:03 AM9/16/21
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Hi Chas,

When the moon is in its gibbous waxing phase, you could consider to be a
bit nicer, and think of your own hypocrisy before attacking others. Did you
even notice the little compliment I gave you?

As for the QAnon training manual--It sounds like you have insider knowledge,
and you seem to want to use this forum to distort teachings. Perhaps *your*
items 1-4 are the schema of *your* source code?

I'm neither for nor against Trump, but will say that no one in their right mind
should ever stake him for another double-or-nothing bet on politics. Assuming
that he would lose again, how would he pay off four or eight times what he
already can not pay off? In terms of lives lost?

Today I agree with you about staying on topic, so why have you, in your latest
stream of hateful emails, decided to change the topic to insulting Katie Higgins
again and again? Haven't I already politely asked you not to do this? Should you
be accused as a sexual retard too?

So to get back on track here, let's return to "Who's who on the Gohonzon":

https://pounceatron.dreamhosters.com/nichirenscoffeehouse.net/ShuteiMandala/devas.html

Shakra Devanam Indra a.k.a. Taishakuten appears fairly prominently in the
second row of the Gohonzon, directly beneath blissful Anryugyu Bosatsu.
This presumably is the same Shakra mentioned in the last chapter (or
Epilogue) of the Vimalakirti Sutra.

Now there is the question of whether or not Shakra Devanam Indra is the
same as Shakra Devanam Rudra?

No one polite would ever answer yes, and the Rig Veda itself has a huge
bias of chanting in favour of Indra. The buddhists have followed suit in
their preferences, and even your friend tenji-mara maharaja does not
inspire the same fear as absolute terror reincarnated as Rudra. Only the
Tibetans even mention Rudra, likely because of territorial fighting.

According to yamakavyatyastahara, the Shakra is simply a man (perhaps
a woman) who helps with one hand and harms with the other--hopefully
not in equal proportion. I think it would be easy to make the argument
that Acintyavimokshaparivarta is a teaching protected by Rudra, and that
Indra wouldn't want anything to do with it.

Chas, here's a suggestion, which I think could really help you:

Instead of changing out Indra for Rudra, why don't you change out Indra
for Kannon? In the thousand armed from you could have 999 emails that
help and only one that harms. Wouldn't that be much better?

Get well soon,

--Brad



On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:33:27 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> the Law to the Nichiren Daishonin Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra
> newsgroup NAMED AFTER Nichiren.
> . . .

Chas.

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Sep 17, 2021, 5:55:21 AM9/17/21
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On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:09:03 AM UTC-7, brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Chas,
>
> When the moon is in its gibbous waxing phase, you could consider to be a
> bit nicer, and think of your own hypocrisy before attacking others. Did you
> even notice the little compliment I gave you?
>

I never give nor receive alms from the icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever, simply because Nichiren Daishonin says not to. So, I don't notice when they are requested nor offered. Their purpose is to incur appreciation of and gratitude towards the demon inside that inspires their offering, or the other way around: a grateful demon feeling the love.

> As for the QAnon training manual--It sounds like you have insider knowledge,
> and you seem to want to use this forum to distort teachings. Perhaps *your*
> items 1-4 are the schema of *your* source code?
>

You walk, talk and quack like a QAnon and follow that scheme precisely, whereas I've been here for almost 20 years doing this, way before the QAnon scat was dropped. Nice try, but that is a prochronism.

> I'm neither for nor against Trump, but will say that no one in their right mind
> should ever stake him for another double-or-nothing bet on politics. Assuming
> that he would lose again, how would he pay off four or eight times what he
> already can not pay off? In terms of lives lost?
>

Like I said, a QAnon cannot resist talking the talk and walking that talk: out blows the Trump-love chunks.

> Today I agree with you about staying on topic, so why have you, in your latest
> stream of hateful emails, decided to change the topic to insulting Katie Higgins
> again and again? Haven't I already politely asked you not to do this? Should you
> be accused as a sexual retard too?
>

Like I said I neither give alms to, nor receive alms from, the likes of you, or her, and I never cease the compassionate rebuke, since that would be a Christian kindness and I am no Christian. Learn to appreciate the incessant nature of the well-earned rebukes.

> So to get back on track here, let's return to "Who's who on the Gohonzon":
>
[snip your URL offering]
>
> Shakra Devanam Indra a.k.a. Taishakuten appears fairly prominently in the
> second row of the Gohonzon, directly beneath blissful Anryugyu Bosatsu.
> This presumably is the same Shakra mentioned in the last chapter (or
> Epilogue) of the Vimalakirti Sutra.
>
> Now there is the question of whether or not Shakra Devanam Indra is the
> same as Shakra Devanam Rudra?
>

From:
https://www.sgi-usa.org/study-resources/core-concepts/the-gohonzon/diagram-of-the-gohonzon/#17

... Taishaku-tenno (Heaven King Shakra, also known as Heavenly
... King Indra): One of the main tutelary gods of Buddhism,
... together with Indra. He is also one of the twelve gods said
... to protect the world. Originally the god of thunder in
... Indian mythology he was later incorporated into Buddhism as
... a protective deity. He lives in a palace called Correct
... Views or Joyful to See in the Trayastrimsha Heaven on the
... peak of Mount Sumeru and, served by the Four Heavenly
... Kings, governs the other thirty-two gods of that heaven.
...
... While Shakyamuni was engaged in bodhisattva practice, Indra
... is said to have assumed various forms to test his resolve.
... According to the first chapter of the Lotus Sutra, he
... joined the assembly on Eagle Peak, accompanied by 20,000
... retainers.

In Shinto the gods are above the Buddhas (the common mortals: all living beings), so the emperor/great leader declares some god as his ancestor and as a demi-god, demands that we poor humans must worship him (as Trump aspires to and has 30% achieved.)

In Buddhism this is reversed, all the Buddhas are precisely equal in the ceremony in the air of Juryo Chapter (16) of the Lotus Sutra (the heart of the essential teaching) when the Buddhas in the ten directions are reduced to eight directions, and all of the Buddhas are above all of the Buddhist gods, which are tutelary entities (protective) and respond to our practice in protecting us, except when slander of the Law goes unchecked, which is why I am here to check your voluminous and repeated slanders of the true teaching, and have been herr for that of your forebears. Thus, although the name is the same, the entity of Shakra/Indra in Buddhism could not be of greater difference to the eponymous Hindu entity.

[snip your remaining Hindu slander of the Buddhist god Heaven King Shakra.]

-Chas.

Brad Klee

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Sep 17, 2021, 3:18:28 PM9/17/21
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If you can confuse Indra for Rudra, no doubt you can confuse angels for
demons, and angel / demons for normal human beings, some of whom
may even have tried to help you!

For reference, here's the Tharpa Nakpo story:

https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=6085

The main difference I can see between Tharpa Nakpo and Vimalakirti is
how they choose to end their lives.

If you can confuse Indra for Rudra, no doubt you can confuse Indra for
Kannon, and that would be a good start for fixing the corruption problem
on your gohonzon.

If you decide to keep your ego delusion, no one will be surprised when
you end up "eating corpses and engaging in orgies with prostitutes".

Get well soon,

--Brad

PS. I've asked before, I'll ask again--Please stop with your nonsense
about naming icchantikas.

Chas.

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Sep 18, 2021, 6:01:26 AM9/18/21
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On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 12:18:28 PM UTC-7, brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> If you can confuse Indra for Rudra,
[snip the rest of your slander of Taishaku-tenno (Heaven King Shakra, also known as Heavenly King Indra) ]

You will pay for that remark. The Buddhist gods on the Gohonzon are jealous of their position, and you have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate the punishment for your slanders.

> PS. I've asked before, I'll ask again--Please stop with your nonsense
> about naming icchantikas.

It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever. Your unremitting and scurrilous acts could be a textbook definition of that term, you are driven by your demons to it, but having been made aware of that you continue, so you own it completely.

-Chas.

Brad Klee

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Sep 18, 2021, 7:25:46 AM9/18/21
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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:01:26 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever.

Probably not, given history, timelines, and reality as it exists separate from your
crazy delusional nonsense.

Consider that Vimalakirti's lifetime goal may have been to prove that anyone who
appears to be an icchantika may still be good enough to redeem themselves, if
they only make a conscious decision to do so.

This means that Vimalakirti, though a master himself, would have ultimately to agree
more readily with the servant pramadeva that one should not miss the clear sky for
love of the clouds... even if it happens to be the night of a great thunderstorm!

What Vimalakirti called sickness, the mendicants probably would have called health,
"so great were the evils that it seemed as if the merit of everyone had been exhausted
all at once." ( http://www.khandro.net/deity_tale_of_two.htm ).

I wouldn't be surprised if your Gohonzon is hung upside down and instead of chanting
daimoku, you've been saying "kyo-myoho-renge-namu" all these years.

In fact, you might want to double check all your parity values, because your writing
looks wrong, much worse than anything I could come up with, having been accused
by a few big names at the university, of what I do not know.

--Brad

Alias

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Sep 18, 2021, 7:34:54 AM9/18/21
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Chas. wrote:
> You will pay for that remark. The Buddhist gods on the Gohonzon are jealous of their position, and you have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate the punishment for your slanders.

Um, you are not qualified to judge another person. You are a cult member
and you support the man who wants to destroy True Buddhism. You're worse
than Trump. Hell, you're worse than Hitler.

Chas.

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Sep 18, 2021, 4:22:39 PM9/18/21
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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:25:46 AM UTC-7, brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:01:26 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> > It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever.
> Probably not, given history, timelines, and reality as it exists separate from your
> crazy delusional nonsense.
>

[snip your Gohonzon slander]

I understand that you do not understand, not being a believer with faith in the Gohonzon, in any way. However, especially an icchantika like yourself deserves a warning every time you transgress, and I will always give you that notification, mostly with Gosho quotes from Nichiren Daishonin, in this case from my own painful experience. Do not slander anything on the Gohonzon at your peril. You have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate these transgressions you spew forth like a fire hose. You are hollowing out a huge cavity under your feet and doing it at warp speed. It's just a matter of time.

-Chas.
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Chas.

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Sep 18, 2021, 4:33:33 PM9/18/21
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Even an au-pair-slaver issendai such as yourself deserves fair warning, when he disparages a votary of the Lotus Sutra rebuking a witless Gohonzon slanderer, or a witless Zen believer slandering true Buddhism. So here is the warning I sent to Brad Klee again, it applies to you as well:

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:25:46 AM UTC-7, brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:01:26 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
> > > It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever.

Kelpzoidzl

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Sep 19, 2021, 3:26:42 AM9/19/21
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On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:33:33 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:34:54 AM UTC-7, Alias wrote:
> > Chas. wrote:
> > > You will pay for that remark. The Buddhist gods on the Gohonzon are jealous of their position, and you have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate the punishment for your slanders.
> > Um, you are not qualified to judge another person. You are a cult member
> > and you support the man who wants to destroy True Buddhism. You're worse
> > than Trump. Hell, you're worse than Hitler.
> Even an au-pair-slaver issendai such as yourself deserves fair warning, when he disparages a votary of the Lotus Sutra rebuking a witless Gohonzon slanderer, or a witless Zen believer slandering true Buddhism. So here is the warning I sent to Brad Klee again, it applies to you as well:
>
> > > > It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever.
> > > Probably not, given history, timelines, and reality as it exists separate from your
> > > crazy delusional nonsense.
> > >
> > [snip your Gohonzon slander]
> >
> > I understand that you do not understand, not being a believer with faith in the Gohonzon, in any way. However, especially an icchantika like yourself deserves a warning every time you transgress, and I will always give you that notification, mostly with Gosho quotes from Nichiren Daishonin, in this case from my own painful experience. Do not slander anything on the Gohonzon at your peril. You have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate these transgressions you spew forth like a fire hose. You are hollowing out a huge cavity under your feet and doing it at warp speed. It's just a matter of time.
> >
>
> -Chas.



Chas, the IRONY here is thick.


It's looney tune central.

"He was just seen at a Art Show"

What the leader of SGI are doing is harmful to sincere believers. Believers who practice, are protected by the Daimoku, regardless the unsavory quality of the hierarchies.

https://youtu.be/tdr0pmODMpQ

Alias

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Sep 19, 2021, 4:37:48 AM9/19/21
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Chas. wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:34:54 AM UTC-7, Alias wrote:
> Every time someone falls on that canard, you know they are losing the argument. You have lost it long ago, when I defeated and routed your man Bratcher and drove him off ARBN. He was your cannon fodder, and you did not protect him while he was doing your bidding.
>
> Even an au pair slaver issendai like yourself deserves a warning, when he defends Zen believers and Gohonzon slanderers being rebuked by a votary of the Lotus Sutra. Here's the message I gave to Brad Klee, it applies to you as well.
>
> -Chas.
>

More proof that you're full of shit.

Peter Nelson

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Sep 19, 2021, 4:38:25 AM9/19/21
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Chas. wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:34:54 AM UTC-7, Alias wrote:
>> Chas. wrote:
>>> You will pay for that remark. The Buddhist gods on the Gohonzon are jealous of their position, and you have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate the punishment for your slanders.
>> Um, you are not qualified to judge another person. You are a cult member
>> and you support the man who wants to destroy True Buddhism. You're worse
>> than Trump. Hell, you're worse than Hitler.
>
> Even an au-pair-slaver issendai such as yourself deserves fair warning, when he disparages a votary of the Lotus Sutra rebuking a witless Gohonzon slanderer, or a witless Zen believer slandering true Buddhism. So here is the warning I sent to Brad Klee again, it applies to you as well:
>
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:25:46 AM UTC-7, brad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:01:26 AM UTC-5, Chas. wrote:
>>>> It is the Lotus Sutra itself that call you an icchantika/issendai/incorrigible disbeliever.
>>> Probably not, given history, timelines, and reality as it exists separate from your
>>> crazy delusional nonsense.
>>>
>> [snip your Gohonzon slander]
>>
>> I understand that you do not understand, not being a believer with faith in the Gohonzon, in any way. However, especially an icchantika like yourself deserves a warning every time you transgress, and I will always give you that notification, mostly with Gosho quotes from Nichiren Daishonin, in this case from my own painful experience. Do not slander anything on the Gohonzon at your peril. You have no practice of the Lotus Sutra to mitigate these transgressions you spew forth like a fire hose. You are hollowing out a huge cavity under your feet and doing it at warp speed. It's just a matter of time.
>>
>
> -Chas.
>

I heard your bullshit the first time. Losing it?

Chas.

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Sep 20, 2021, 3:04:42 AM9/20/21
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Kind of like a reunion, all four of us together, myself, David Cole, Alias/Michael Cody/Spanish-au-pair-slaver, and Peter Nelson ...

Ah, but two of us are really one person, Alias == Peter Nelson: note the second metadata line is identical from those postings, he went to the trouble to post from two names on two separate services, but from the same identical desktop configuration. Why even bother such amateurish nonsense? NST sysadmin Mark Porter would never have made such a rookie blunder, but he never bother with such pretenses. Pathetic chicanery.

Peter Nelson wrote:
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="35912"; posting-host="skecwUexEBBOSLpxE3MsDw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="ab...@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.9

Alias wrote:
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="57580cef2692b4b664f8e637e6ed63e0"; logging-data="23002"; mail-complaints-to="ab...@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+sa8XM06m2rgOsbxBK3T3L"
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.9

Your show is slipping, my dear.

-Chas.
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