Your Baha'i faith is dead in the water, caput, finito, finished, gone, bye
bye, black or no black masses. They had their chance in South Carolina in
the early 70s and they blew it! The Baha'i faith is now a creed which has
lost every last bit of its vitality, vision, purpose, resolve and strength
because it has sold out to the devil himself, El Diablo, materialism. You
are witnessing its finall death throes and I have sounded its death knell.
It is an empty shell completely bereft of any Spirit whatsoever, where the
worship of bureacracy and trivial innanities, fear, control, paranoia,
schizophrenia, obfuscation and deciet hold sway. In short it has become
nothing more than an authoritarian cult, and until you realize this Truth
you will keep skirting around such secondary, peripheral questions like a
vicious circle until the cows come home. No group in massive numbers will be
clamoring to come sign declaration cards - ever! - because the Baha'is no
longer have a single thing of value to offer the world. You can put money on
that. There will be no entry by troops. Rather, more and more you will
witness a massive desertion and exit by troops from the Administrative
Baha'i faith cult until there is no one left but these groups of wealthy
families and individuals who are really the ones controlling the whole
thing, anyway. The party is over and a new party has begun.
The Maid of Heaven, Tahirih Qurrat'ul-`Ayn, the Goddess, the Madonna, the
Sophia, the Shekinah, the Divine Feminine, the Holy Spirit, Innana, Anahita,
Isis, Hathor, Hera, the Holy Mother, ad infinitum, by whatever name ye call
Her
She hath the Most beautiful Names, the true Baha'u'llah, has spoken through
me and continues to speak through me and the archetypal reality of the
Letters of the Living, who are in essence but a eternal divine principle and
verity which human individuals merely walk into (not the other way around,
as their number represents the principle of Life itself/hayy, 18). The Point
Himself, the Lord Most High, the Bab, came to me in several very lucid
dreams over the past two months and bestowed upon me the mantle as the new
Manifestation of God for the age and the one spoken of in the Bayan as 'Him
whom God shall Manifest'. It was not Mirza Husayn `Ali Nuri who was the
Promised One of the Bayan because "by their fruits ye shall know them," and
after 110 years since his passing (significant number since it is the
numerical value of the name `Ali, which means the All High, and is also the
second part of my Sufi name, Wahdat _Ali_, the unity of the all high, given
to me in 1998, which btw has seven letters in Arabic, just as the name Ali
Muhammad) the Baha'i religion has amounted to nothing other than a silly and
irrelevant Amway cult with prayer, factionalized, conflict ridden and a
black hole of pure negativity, pain, fear, angst and retrogression to its
adherents, whose only accomplishment and claim to fame are a bunch of
costly, ostentatious marble buildings in Haifa, Israel only benefitting the
Israeli tourism industry and its benefactors (and nothing more); a religion
whose leaders are knee deep involved in the criminal underworld, with
foreign intelligence agencies and rightwing political forces (i.e. Muhammad
Reza Pahlavi, Augusto Pinochet, Idi Amin, Pauline Hanson, the Israeli
government, Phillip Ruddock, Reza Pahlavi, etc) whose details will make your
head spin. Your religion cannot be reformed because it has long passed that
point of no return, hence the need for a new Zuhur (manifestation) and the
truths of the last one to be disclosed as they where hidden before, as I am
doing now, i.e. such as the fact that it was Tahirih Qurrat'ul-`Ayn not
Mirza Husayn `Ali who was and is the true Baha'u'llah (The Glory and
Splendour of God) and that the ministry of the Fruit of Eternity Mirza Yahya
Nuri Subh-e Azal (praise and laudations be to Him) was true, as was His
conferral by the Point. Besides, per the specific wording of the Bayan,
Him whom God shall manifest MUST call into being once more the Letters of
the Living, which I have. Moreover, all suggestions in the Bayan are that
Him whom God shall manifest shall arise at a time in the distant future from
the time the Bayan is being written, particularly as it quite explicitly
envisions Him whom God shall manifest going through a childhood per the
recommendation that children not be struck that perchance Him whom God shall
Manifest not be saddened and wounded as a child. Mirza Husayn `Ali was a
full grown adult and two years the senior of the Point, so ask yourself,
either the Point was deliberately obfuscating (I take refuge with Her in
such a suggestion, Astaghfirullah) or that Mirza Husayn `Ali was not Him
whom God shall manifest, the Promised One of the Bayan. To any fair and
objective observer, all indications now prove that he wasn't, albeit he was
a great gnostic, visionary and Sufi-like spiritual master which I
acknowledge, and whose mystical works and especially his Kitab-e-Iqan
(Risaaleh-ye Ammeh, Treatise to the Uncle) will endure to his glory and
righteousness, although his Kitab-e-Aqdas to his ignonimy: a book that is
full of utter tripe and total nonesense which contributes nothing of real
elevated value to anyone, especially in our (post)modern world.
I am not asking for your belief or testimony of faith (which I thought you
gave but now seems to have been half cocked and completely insincere). Do
not believe in me as a person. I am not asking for your belief in me as Nima
Hazini Saoshyant Wahdat `Ali Sayf'ullah Quddusiyyah, nor will I even accept
it. If what I say resonates with you, then follow it. If it doesn't, find
something else which does that resonates with you, and follow it to
completion.
In the Masnavi Mowlana Jalaluddin Rumi speaks of the dervish who an made
allegiance (bayah)
with a rock and took it as his spiritual master, and because of his utter
and complete devotion
to the rock, he got there and was God-realized. We ask for neither
recompense nor thanks, but merely call you to yourselves. The fundamental
command required of you in this new dispensation of the Bayan is to 'Know
Thyself'; that is find your own inner light and not follow that of your
neighbour or follow the whims of your corrupt religious institutions and its
insidious dogmas and orthodoxies, therefore to thine own self be true. If
you can do that sincerely and without strings attached, in the end it
really doesn't matter what you call yourself.
Saoshyant
--
>
> Saoshyant
>
Nima,
You don't do this as well as Eric, I'm afraid.
Though I'm surprised at Cal - he saw through Eric straight away.
Clearly he took longer to see thru you.
Anyway, now I understand your "and you know who you are - you
were always working with Maneck/Satan" allusion.
Cheers, grasshoppa
Paul
You are the spiritual return of Malijak: Nasiruddin Shah's Kurdish boy
lover.
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LOL! But *I* don't claim to be no Manifestation of God, Nima jan,
just some poor dumb human schmuck.
But even as a poor dumb human schmuck I can tell the difference
between your productions and Eric's (which were much more
interesting, imho), let alone Baha'u'llah's.
Sorry, mate, you just don't cut it in the revelation stakes.
> You are the spiritual return of Malijak: Nasiruddin Shah's Kurdish boy
> lover.
>
Cheers! Was Nasruddin Shah particularly sexy?
Oh, and how's my wife doing, oh omniscient Manifestation??
Paul
Paul Hammond wrote:
He quickly claimed know infallibility when he solved the question of an apparent re-revealing of some verses of the
Bab's found in the prayer book which closely match verses in a tablet called the Seven Proofs. Nima identified the
lost source of the prayer book version, and denied the one that everyone else could see in the Seven Proofs, but then
he clarified that he does not have infallibility on demand.
You might not believe this, but there was a guy from the UK, who was active on TRB. He was the one who married a
Baha'i and was himself a Unitarian. He also happens to translate Italian - which, as far as I know, also
distinguishes the two of you from eachother. Though I don't recall his name right now, Ian (something), I believe it
was something Celtic. He may have used a handle like Giancarlo, or Giacomo. You guys seem very much alike -
generally civil, and actively even handed.
The thing w/ 'your wife' struck me as particularly odd given it was Nima who posted your message to the other list in
which you divulge personal information would indicate that if you had a wife, she might have 'competition. It was
like he didn't even read what he posted.
Blessings!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
>
> The thing w/ 'your wife' struck me as particularly odd given it was Nima
who posted your message to the other list in
> which you divulge personal information would indicate that if you had a
wife, she might have 'competition. It was
> like he didn't even read what he posted.
Dear Pat,
Whatever Nima was riled about, it wasn't the content. He threw everyone
that posted on that list off his new Zuhur_19, regardless of the content of
their posts. Even Ulla, who is as harmless as a soul can be, and who didn't
even refer at all to recent events. He did it as a deliberate slap in the
face to us; to prove he could. Because he didn't like the list even
existing. So, no, I don't think he bothered to read it before posting it.
Love, Karen
And so, why would you be insulted by Nima unsubscribing you? Is it THAT
important to you to belong to his list?
It would seem his new bayani thing is not something you would be interested
in anyway, so what is the harm?
It would seem that you are moving in separate trajectories anyway.
Corax
--
"The essence of all that We have revealed for thee is Justice . . ." --
Baha'u'llah
Corax <cor...@elp.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Dear Pat,
> >
> > Whatever Nima was riled about, it wasn't the content. He threw everyone
> > that posted on that list off his new Zuhur_19, regardless of the content
of
> > their posts. Even Ulla, who is as harmless as a soul can be, and who
didn't
> > even refer at all to recent events. He did it as a deliberate slap in
the
> > face to us; to prove he could. Because he didn't like the list even
> > existing. So, no, I don't think he bothered to read it before posting
it.
> >
> > Love, Karen
>
> And so, why would you be insulted by Nima unsubscribing you? Is it THAT
> important to you to belong to his list?
Oh, I wasn't insulted by that. I probably would have left eventually anyway.
The *way* he did it was pretty nasty, though. I was more disturbed by his
sending a mole to leak all the posts on a private list with a no-forwarding
rule. Even then, I don't think anything particularly damaging was
revealed -- it was the fact he did it that was the insult. And it was quite
unprovoked, because I never did him any harm at all.
> It would seem his new bayani thing is not something you would be
interested
> in anyway, so what is the harm?
Some kind of warning or explanation would have been nice, to someone who has
been his friend, don't you think?
>
> It would seem that you are moving in separate trajectories anyway.
Yes, we are. And I wish Nima well; I just wish he did the same to me, that's
all.
Love, Karen
Accept your fate, this is the Qudrat of the Most High, for you are outcast
(Rajim), get thee behind me, Diabolos, etc., et.al., one and all, and come
warm your hands by the Fires of Jahannum, we have a specially prepared seat
of Ar Rajmat with your Name of Fire Ismat an Naar inscribed in Chrysolite.
Ulla can come too if she wants, but she is only a Glowing Charcoal and not a
Most Devilish Fire (Naar ash Shaytani al Akbar) like you are, Naaratan alaa
Naar.
Corax
--
łDo not try and bend the spoon. Thatąs impossible. Instead . . . only try
to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then youąll see that it is not the
spoon that bends, it is only yourself.˛
--
"The essence of all that We have revealed for thee is Justice . . ." --
Baha'u'llah
Corax <cor...@elp.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The world is not fair Karen and Thee Manifestation Whom Shall Make
Manifest
> Himself doeth whatsoever he willeth and none doth question his abiding
> bidding.
God is both just and merciful; Nima is neither one.
The Chosen he has from All Eternity Chosen and the Outcast are from
> Pre-Eternity outcast.
Duh. I figured out I was "outcast"; I just haven't figured out what I did
to deserve it.
>
> Accept your fate, this is the Qudrat of the Most High, for you are
outcast
> (Rajim), get thee behind me, Diabolos, etc., et.al., one and all, and come
> warm your hands by the Fires of Jahannum, we have a specially prepared
seat
> of Ar Rajmat with your Name of Fire Ismat an Naar inscribed in Chrysolite.
> Ulla can come too if she wants, but she is only a Glowing Charcoal and not
a
> Most Devilish Fire (Naar ash Shaytani al Akbar) like you are, Naaratan
alaa
> Naar.
I don't think Ulla's interested, but you can always ask. As for me, call me
what you like -- I've had fundies call me things about as bad. Doesn't
matter. "To you be your way; and to me be mine".
Karen
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And some friend you turned out to be. Friends don't speak of friends as
"beyond the pale" as you did on your irfan. You stabbed me and others in the
back one too many times Karen.
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--
"The essence of all that We have revealed for thee is Justice . . ." --
Baha'u'llah
Saoshyant6 <Saosh...@nuqta.bayan.org> wrote in message
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> God is also the Qahhaar: the venegeful :)
>
> And some friend you turned out to be. Friends don't speak of friends as
> "beyond the pale" as you did on your irfan. You stabbed me and others in
the
> back one too many times Karen.
I was speaking of the issue of including you on a list for liberal
Baha'is -- a group which you just publicly denounced. I was struggling with
the issue of whether of not to invite you -- I didn't feel comfortable
excluding you, yet I was getting the distinct impression you didn't like us
any more. That should have been evident from my posts.
As for me stabbing people in the back, I absolutely have no idea what you're
talking about. I have done nothing to anyone. The only actions I regret
online are those things you dragged me into. The only time I ever crossed
you was because I didn't appreciate being pushed around, and decided to
stand up for myself instead of allowing you to bulldoze me. It doesn't
matter anyhow -- I'm tired of worrying about whether or not I cross you in
the least thing will unleash your exploding vicious anger. So, stay angry
at me; I really don't give a damn anymore. But I thought a comprehensible
explanation might be nice, but I suppose I won't even get that.
Karen
Besides, Randy Burns said that the old list got deleted by mistake
when he was trying to transfer it back to Nima. In any case most of
the people on old Zuhur are probably now on Karen's new list which as
Corax mentions - the focus is moving in different Paths.
Starr*
The real question is why would Nima be so insulted that after
he closed down Zuhur, and started his new thing, that we who
used to hang out on Zuhur would start a new list.
After all, it was *Nima* who posted the new list's complete
two-day archives to trb, and called us all a bunch of
hypocrites, and *Nima* who then threw off everyone who
happened to be a member of Irfan as well as his new
Zuhur.
Who is it who can't let go, and wants everyone to dance to
his tune? Not Karen, I think.
Paul
<some snipping occured>
> > > You are the spiritual return of Malijak: Nasiruddin Shah's Kurdish boy
> > > lover.
> > >
> >
> > Cheers! Was Nasruddin Shah particularly sexy?
> >
> > Oh, and how's my wife doing, oh omniscient Manifestation??
>
>
> You might not believe this, but there was a guy from the UK, who was active on TRB. He was the one who married a
> Baha'i and was himself a Unitarian. He also happens to translate Italian - which, as far as I know, also
> distinguishes the two of you from eachother. Though I don't recall his name right now, Ian (something), I believe it
> was something Celtic. He may have used a handle like Giancarlo, or Giacomo. You guys seem very much alike -
> generally civil, and actively even handed.
>
Ah - I remember him now that you mention it.
> The thing w/ 'your wife' struck me as particularly odd given it was Nima who posted your message to the other list in
> which you divulge personal information would indicate that if you had a wife, she might have 'competition. It was
> like he didn't even read what he posted.
>
I notice that great minds think alike in this respect (though
I've often wondered why that proverb ends "fools seldom
differ" - cause that would mean there's no way to
distinguish fools from geniuses) Like a friend of
mine in another newsgroup once said - "I'd rather be
rich than stupid".
Do you know, in our rather nasty argument shortly before
the demise of the old Zuhur, Nima once compared me to
you, like I should find that insulting?
Actually, I thought it was one of the nicest things he's
ever said about me.
Paul
Persecution complex. Hmmm
(Strokes Freudian beard that has conveniently just materialised
on chin)
Paul
Paul Hammond wrote:
>
> > The thing w/ 'your wife' struck me as particularly odd given it was Nima who posted your message to the other list in
> > which you divulge personal information would indicate that if you had a wife, she might have 'competition. It was
> > like he didn't even read what he posted.
> >
>
> I notice that great minds think alike in this respect (though
> I've often wondered why that proverb ends "fools seldom
> differ" - cause that would mean there's no way to
> distinguish fools from geniuses) Like a friend of
> mine in another newsgroup once said - "I'd rather be
> rich than stupid".
>
I guess it is in the subtelety of the phrasing, between 'think alike' and 'seldom differ', with 'think alike' clearly being
a more direct, such that less mental processing is needed to understand what was ... ... hmmm.
>
> Do you know, in our rather nasty argument shortly before
> the demise of the old Zuhur, Nima once compared me to
> you, like I should find that insulting?
>
> Actually, I thought it was one of the nicest things he's
> ever said about me.
I'm flattered, too. I've walked away from some of our differences just grinding my teeth, and I've always believed that
tomorrow would be a new day w/ you. Nima is similar, too, in that generally, a fresh start is just a day away. Yet, w/
you, it is easier to get the fresh start, as you don't spew the insults and nastiness over a small drop of beer.
>
> The real question is why would Nima be so insulted that after
> he closed down Zuhur, and started his new thing, that we who
> used to hang out on Zuhur would start a new list.
>
> After all, it was *Nima* who posted the new list's complete
> two-day archives to trb, and called us all a bunch of
> hypocrites, and *Nima* who then threw off everyone who
> happened to be a member of Irfan as well as his new
> Zuhur.
>
> Who is it who can't let go, and wants everyone to dance to
> his tune? Not Karen, I think.
Dear Paul,
Well, that's the thing. I didn't know what to do. Nima had publicly
announced his separation from Baha'i liberals, saying various and sundry
uncomplimentary things about them. I started a list for these very same
liberal Baha'is, to replace the one we lost, as Randy clarified, because of
technical difficulties. I had no idea why Nima was all of a sudden
denouncing the liberals; all that was clear was that he was angry. So, I
had no reason to think he'd want to be included on the list; on the other
hand, he has been included on virtually every liberal Baha'i list since
there ever was such a thing. If I invited him, he was going to explode. If
I didn't invite him, he was going to explode. I was going to get nailed no
matter what I did. The only way to have kept him happy was not to create a
liberal list at all, and that wasn't an option.
So, you know, whatever . . . I can't spend my life walking on eggshells,
worried that Nima's going rake me over the coals over one thing or another.
My other online friends don't do that to me, even when I disagree with them.
You don't do it; Juan doesn't do it; Steve doesn't do it; Michael doesn't do
it -- heck, even Dermod doesn't do it. And I've disagreed with all of you
at one time or another. Besides, at this point, there's really nothing more
than Nima can do to me that can hurt me more than he already has. It's
over.
Love, Karen
>
> This sounds very co-dependent, Karen. Perhaps instead of keeping He whom
She
> hath destined happy, it would be best to keep yourself happy.
O.K. Corax; sounds like a good plan to me. :-)
Karen
> If I invited him, he was going to explode. If
> I didn't invite him, he was going to explode.
And those explosions make such a mess! Yeuch! Tell me about it!
Blood and guts, innards and outwards all over the place - not to
mention the stench of Semtex, cordite and fertiliser.
> I was going to get nailed no
> matter what I did. The only way to have kept him happy was not to
create a
> liberal list at all, and that wasn't an option.
>
> So, you know, whatever . . . I can't spend my life walking on
eggshells,
> worried that Nima's going rake me over the coals over one thing or
another.
> My other online friends don't do that to me, even when I disagree
with them.
> You don't do it; Juan doesn't do it; Steve doesn't do it; Michael
doesn't do
> it -- heck, even Dermod doesn't do it.
Hey! Whatcha mean by that! When has Dermod ever raked anybody over
the coals - hot at the time, one must presume?
Of course I'd rake you over and through the coals if you were a
dweadful steam twap!
Dermod.
> > it -- heck, even Dermod doesn't do it.
>
> Hey! Whatcha mean by that! When has Dermod ever raked anybody over
> the coals - hot at the time, one must presume?
Oh, I know, as Mrs. Reaper so aptly put it, you're just a pussycat. :-)
How's the Doodle bug, Dermod? Has she been doing better?
Love, Karen
Hi Karen,
> > Hey! Whatcha mean by that! When has Dermod ever raked anybody
over
> > the coals - hot at the time, one must presume?
>
> Oh, I know, as Mrs. Reaper so aptly put it, you're just a pussycat.
:-)
But she forgot to mention the long sharp claws and the killer
instinct. "Dermod" is an old Irish name meaning "without envy or
fear." It describes one who is normally placid but is more than a
mite dangerous if pushed too far. That's the bit she omitted to tell
you about. Do you really believe the title of "Grim Reaper" was
bestowed on me because I have great big blue eyes? There is only one
soft spot in my hide and she's only seven and a real Doodlebug!
> How's the Doodle bug, Dermod? Has she been doing better?
If we get past this Sunday without a seizure I shall start to hope.
Time is the ultimate criterion - the longer it is before she has
another seizure, the better and the more chance that
the new regime of anti convulsant meds is effective. It will be
another fortnight,
at least, before we will even begin to know but certainly, at the
moment, the signs are encouraging. She is in cracker form at the
moment but then ... she was just before the last seizure.
The main problem is that the last three seizures have been massive -
lasting in
excess of two hours and drastically reducing the oxygen saturation in
her bloodstream which threatens not merely life but further mental
damage. She had to be given Paraldehyde which is not very nice stuff
and, I am told, also hurts. Certainly it took her three days to
recover from the last administration of it and, I can assure you, it
takes almost as much out of her as it does us. The worst part of my
day and life is going to waken her every morning, for that's when the
seizures normally happen - we walk in to find her either in good shape
.... or not. That's why I needed and took a break!
Given that she is already classified with severe learning and
behavioural difficulties (bordering on profound in some ways) life is
difficult enough without them getting any worse. But I wouldn't
change her for the world - for one thing she has an insight on life
much more highly developed than any reigning within the many extremes
of
Bahaism. There are no back doors on the Doodlebug - what you sees is
what you gets!
And she is, of course, the ultimate antidote to Bahai. The reason I
have never been exalted to the status of a CB is that the AO well
knows the field day I would have in the local press with the lovely
tale that the cult tried to split the parents of a severely disabled
autistic child. I know the A Onions are stupid but they are not that
daft!
Watch this space! There might be more on the Doodlebug soon ... of a
most pleasing nature!
Dermod.
> > Oh, I know, as Mrs. Reaper so aptly put it, you're just a pussycat.
> :-)
>
> But she forgot to mention the long sharp claws and the killer
> instinct. "Dermod" is an old Irish name meaning "without envy or
> fear." It describes one who is normally placid but is more than a
> mite dangerous if pushed too far. That's the bit she omitted to tell
> you about. Do you really believe the title of "Grim Reaper" was
> bestowed on me because I have great big blue eyes?
Oh, I know how you got the title "Grim Reaper". :-) And I think it confirms
soft-heartedness underneath the ferocity.
>
> If we get past this Sunday without a seizure I shall start to hope.
> Time is the ultimate criterion - the longer it is before she has
> another seizure, the better and the more chance that
> the new regime of anti convulsant meds is effective. It will be
> another fortnight,
> at least, before we will even begin to know but certainly, at the
> moment, the signs are encouraging.
I'm glad to hear it.
>
> Watch this space! There might be more on the Doodlebug soon ... of a
> most pleasing nature!
I'm waiting with anticipation. :-)
Love, Karen
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And the reason for my being pissed, Karen, is quite simple: all of you so
called liberals are chumps and are being played like a fiddle. Some of you
are aware of the game being played and are consciously and deliberately
playing along; others of you are so stupid that you are being played without
you knowing it, and you won't know until the game is well over, and I pray
the game is made aware to you before it is too late.
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