RFD: soc.religion.asatru moderated
Doug Freyburger
Archive-Name: soc.religion.asatru
Followup-To: news.groups
This would normally go to several groups:
news.announce.newgroups (moderated)
news.groups
alt.religion.asatru
soc.religion.paganism (moderated)
but posting to two moderated groups with the same post isn't a good
idea.
So this message isn't being posted to NAN. I'll post to that group
separately.
Once this message makes it through moderation, I will follow up with an
initial FAQ file and an Asatru Resources list of links for anyone who
wants
starting points for research on the topic of the proposed newsgroup.
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.religion.asatru
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup soc.religion.asatru. This is not
a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.
Newsgroups line:
soc.religion.asatru Following the Gods and Goddesses of Northern
Europe. (Moderated)
RATIONALE: soc.religion.asatru
The newsgroup alt.religion.asatru has operated since 1993 with many
discussions on topics of interest to members of the religion. After
years of maintaining traffic and being subject to troll attacks,
the need for a moderated newsgroup has become clear. Since
making alt.religion.asatru moderated is unlikely to propagate, the
solution seems to be a new newsgroup on the topic, allowing
alt.religion.asatru to remain an open place to post. You may ask, why
two newsgroups on the same obscure religon? Because long term on
topic traffic has justified a place in the soc.religion.* hierarchy
and it is impractical to remove a newsgroup in the alt.* hierarchy.
Regular messages will be posted to alt.religion.asatru to point to
the new newsgroup so new posters are able to find it.
Historically, with the Druids on the west and the Slavs on the East,
Asatru was the majority religion in the pan-Germanic region of
northern Europe from the ancient past until the tribes in the area
converted to Christianity. Many influences of ancient Asatru remain
in modern pan-Germanic culture. One memory of ancient Asatru remains
in the English names for days of the week - Tuesday for Tiw or Tyr,
Wednesday for Woden or Odin, Thursday for Donnar or Thor and Friday
for Freya or Frigg. The Thing and Althing traditions have become
modern trial by jury and Parliment.
There have since been several revival movements. The Wandervogel
movement in Germany and Austria was violently suppressed by the
Nazis. The modern movement began in 1970 separately in Iceland,
the UK and the US and has since grown to most of the nations where
Germanic languages or traditions exist - English, German, Dutch,
Afrikaans, Icelandic, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian as well as some
Spanish speakers in Argentina.
CHARTER: soc.religion.asatru
Soc.religion.asatru is a place for people from around the world to
meet and discuss topics of interest to Asatru, its rites, beliefs, and
practices. Asatru is broadly defined as the ancient religion of the
peoples of Northern Europe known collectively as the pan-Germanic
tribes, both in its historical ancient form and its modern
reconstruction.
Only discussion relating to the practices of Asatru, both ancient
and modern, or discussion among those practicing the religion, is
allowed. Friendly guests are welcome. To reduce spam and troll
postings, cross-posted messages are only allowed by prior
arrangement with the moderators. Expect only cross-posted FAQ
files to be approved by the moderators. Posts promoting, arguing
for or bashing other religions are off topic. Readers wishing to
discus these topics may do so in the appropriate newsgroups. Posts
comparing Asatru with other religions are on topic. The rules of
netiquette should be observed at all times. Irrelevant profanity
should be avoided but is tolerated. Anonymous postings are allowed
at the discretion of the moderators. Posters using consistent
aliases are allowed.
Since English is the standard language of the Big-8 UseNet
heirarchies, use of English is encouraged but not required. Some
fraction of the traffic is expected to be in ancient Old Norse
(mostly quotes for use in translations), modern German, modern
Icelandic, and other languages in the pan-Germanic language families.
Parallel English translations are requested when possible. Character
sets diverse enough to render Old Norse are not considered binary
content. Use of runic fonts is allowed if accompanied by non-binary
transliteration or translation. Short quotes using other alphabets
like Sanskrit, Cyrillic or Greek are allowed but entire posts in
other alphabets are not allowed. Do not expect the majority of
readers to be able to render or read other alphabets. Non-English
traffic without parallel translation are rejected by the
moderators if it reaches 10% of the total posts. Any binary
format other than alternate alphabets must be approved by the
moderators and are usually rejected. For binary content please
store on the web and include a URL. PGP signatures are allowed.
The newsgroup is moderated with the following in mind. On the
positive side: Is the post relevant to Asatru? Is it discussion
among established Asatruar? On the negative side: Is the post
abusive? Is it cross-posted? Is it spam? Posts advocating hate,
racism, anti-Semitism or neo-Nazism are off topic and are
rejected. On the neutral side: Posts by adherents to various
opinions within Asatru are accepted even by moderators who
hold other opinions.
In the event that the moderators wish to add another moderator,
the procedure for doing so is as follows. First, they call for
volunteers on the newsgroup. Next, they winnow the volunteers by
dropping any to whom strong objections are raised. They then
select one or more person(s) from the remaining volunteers.
END CHARTER.
TRAFFIC JUSTIFICATION:
The traffic on alt.religion.asatru as of 03 Mar 2006:
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov
Dec
1995 25 103 59 2 1 1 22
9
1996 255 387 351 314 306 341 455 636 466 658 538
706
1997 626 679 395 836 236 404 335 286 808 410 540
548
1998 675 583 899 781 1816 1268 919 1346 2090 1380 1469
1143
1999 1220 805 1304 1342 1190 1028 1489 1007 1367 4871 4560
1761
2000 769 834 1223 1596 1979 2110 2391 950 608 1237 2344
3238
2001 3518 512 1293 849 895 1180 2611 880 1280 1837 2017
1876
2002 1634 1297 1077 1693 1219 740 1798 1680 1031 485 1322
888
2003 1825 865 1315 1547 2034 1063 815 1915 2641 827 867
837
2004 611 257 555 797 529 734 796 608 1352 1334 2397
968
2005 1388 1321 1429 573 961 1378 1409 1503 1487 1862 4792
1929
2006 1675 1395 169
Number of threads 15758
For over a decade it has maintained an average of more than 1000 posts
in more than 100 threads per month in the face of several waves of
troll
attacks. Some former posters driven off by the trolls have stated they
will return to a troll-free moderated group, though it is up to the
proponent and moderators to market traffic on the group.
To view the extent of non-troll traffic, consider May 1998 as the first
month with over 1000 posts and the year following. Sep and Oct in that
year have significant troll traffic but the other 10 months do not. To
view the extent of troll traffic, consider all of 2001. The newsgroup
has seen entire years with a great deal of on-topic traffic and entire
years under attack by trolls. The total non-troll traffic keeps
returning after each troll attack.
There are also numerous Asatru mailing lists that average over a
hundred messages per month each. Several are listed in Dirk Bruere's
"Asatru Resources" list. While it is assumed that members of mailing
list will remain on those lists the same as alt.religion.asatru
posters,
the lists demonstrate that there is a sufficient worldwide population
of Asatru adherents that a moderated newsgroup is viable.
On 08 Apr 2006 a Google search for "Asatru" in the newsgroup
soc.religion.paganism gave 1860 hits, with a very large number of
them by Dirk Bruere trying to keep joint traffic alive. Since Asatru
is in the charter for that newsgroup it's natural to expect traffic
there. Drawing traffic to SRP was tried but it didn't work. Given
this history there is insufficient overlap between Asatru and other
pagan faiths.
END TRAFFIC JUSTIFICATION.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.religion.asatru
Moderator: Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com>
Moderator: Dirk Bruere <dirk....@gmail.com>
Moderator: Nik Warrensson <repub...@iconz.co.nz>
Moderator: Robert Bowman <bow...@montana.com>
Since moderation software is used (initially STUMP), the
list of moderators is changed to their accounts on a
moderation server at the time the newsgroup is created.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
The newsgroup creation process is currently undergoing revision
so the process below is an approximation based on the old process.
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.religion.asatru,
soc.religion.paganism
Proponent: Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com>
CHANGE HISTORY:
2005-12-13 - Initial version based on Swain Wodening's 1999 RFD.
Rewritten to take into account the objections voiced at that time.
Includes review by the initial moderator volunteers.
2006-03-03 - Rewrite taking into account comments by the Big-8
Moderation Board on news.groups. Add change history, shorten
newsgroups line, present tense, more historical and placement
justification, traffic justification.
2006-03-28 - Gods and Goddesses in newsgroup line, expand weekdays
to mention both Saxon and Norse names to show the pan-Germanic
nature of Asatru.
2006-04-28 - Revisions based on suggestions by Joe Bernstein.
Woodchuck Bill
Subject: RFD: soc.religion.asatru moderated
From: "Doug Freyburger" <dfre...@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1146685475.9...@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.paganism,news.groups,alt.religion.asatru
Doug Freyburger
Frequently Asked Questions
This is the FAQ written up for a "potential" newsgroup SRA -
soc.religion.asatru It is a collaborative effort spanning most major
Asatru organisations and while far from comprehensive does provide
answers that all can pretty much agree upon (and that's saying a lot).
It was created by a consensual process by individuals and
representatives of various organizations from the Ásatrú community
with strongly held and varying views and therefore represents areas of
non-disagreement, which necessarily limits the scope.
What is Ásatrú? Ásatrú is a Norse term meaning literally a faith or
belief in Gods, specifically the Old Norse and Germanic Gods known
collectively as the Ćsir. Ásatrú has its roots in ancient customs
and beliefs, although it is best known from the Viking age when the old
world view and the emerging Christian faith clashed and which was the
period that the stories and customs were written down. As with many
other ethnic or folk religions there was no specific name for the
religion, although Ásatrú, Vor tru, "our faith," or Forn Sed,
"ancient customs/ways" are phrases/words that are used in the modern
world to describe this faith. The religion was part of the culture, and
the beliefs revealed not only in the mythology, but also in the
customs, ethics, and laws, much of which has survived as a cultural
ethos. Agreed to January 24, 2001
Who are the Gods and Goddesses of Ásatrú? Then spoke Gangleri: "Which
are the Aesir that men ought to believe in?" Hárr said: "There are
twelve Aesir whose nature is divine." Then spoke Jafnhárr: "No less
holy are the Asyniur, nor is their power less." These are the words
that introduce the gods and goddesses of the Norse and Germanic people
to King Gangleri in Snorri Sturluson's Edda. Here we find the a listing
of the Aesir (gods), Asynjur (goddesses) and other beings of the Norse
mythology and brief stories presented from the ancient mythology in an
account written down at the end of the Viking Age. First named is Odin,
his son Balder, Thor and his wife, Sif; Tyr, Njord and his son and
daughter, Freyr and Freya, Bragi, Heimdall, Hod, Vidar, Ali, Ullr,
Loki, Aegir and his wife, Ran. Also named are many of the goddesses,
who include, among others, Frigg, Freya, Lofn, Var, and Skadi. The
mythology also preserves an account a story of two warring groups of
deities, the Aesir and the Vanir who pledged a truce with one another
and are referred to now collectively as the Aesir. In English speaking
countries four of the days of the week are named after these gods.
Tuesday comes from Tiu's day who is also known as Tyr. Wednesday comes
from a compound meaning "Odin's day," Thursday from "Thor's day" with
Friday from "Freya's day." Throughout Scandinavia and northern Europe
we find places that were dedicated anciently and named for the gods and
goddesses who are still honored in this day and age. 1/30/01
What are the beliefs of Ásatrú? Ásatrú beliefs are rooted in the
past and in the sacred mythos and cosmology of the Old Norse and
Germanic people. As an ethnic or folk religion the authoritative source
of belief that can legitimately be considered Ásatrú are the
precedents found in the traditions, myths, folklore, literature, laws,
customs, and cultural concepts which were shaped by belief in the Ćsir
and other supernatural beings and powers. There is no historical
founder or prophet who made revealed pronouncements of law or belief.
There is no central authority that lays down dogma or tenets. There is
no injunction to proselytize, or any precedent for intolerance of other
beliefs. This deep respect for tradition and custom is based on a
underlying concept, řrlog, that is central to the cosmology and belief
system of the old Norse and Germanic people, as well as Ásatrú today.
. The word is a compound, 'řr,' something that is beyond or "primal"
or "above/beyond the ordinary" and "leggja," "to lay," "to place," or
"to do." It has the meaning of primal or earliest law, the earliest
things accomplished or done. These things are sacred and provide the
foundation of the Old Norse beliefs and rites of Ásatrú. They are
symbolized in the mythology by the World Tree, which grows at the Well
of Urdh or Wyrd. The norns water the World Tree with the water from the
Well of Urdh which deposits layers of sediment over the roots,
demonstrating the active, accretionary, growing nature of reality. The
perception of being is also a reflection of this basic concept. Like
the tree, a person continues to grow and change through experience and
study, with each new experience or knowledge growing out of that which
was experienced or learned before. A particularly numinous quality
called hamingja, "luck" or "fortune", can also be accumulated and
passed on to ones descendents. In spiritual terms, this legacy can
refer to wisdom, personality, or talent, while in practical terms, this
can include one's wealth, reputation and external family ties.
2/15/2001
How is Ásatrú organized? Ásatrú begins with individuals and
families who may associate in small groups called félagiđ, or lagur
(fellowships), godhordhs, kindreds, garths and hearths, among other
historically based terms. They may be entirely independent or may be
affiliated in or with a larger organization. A few larger organizations
may be further allianced with one another. The most common term for an
Ásatrú religious leader is Gođi (masculine form) and Gyđia
(feminine form), Gođar (plural). The word refers to a position
comparable to that of a priest, but is translated from the Old Norse as
chieftain, as are some similiar terms such as Drighten that may signify
essentially the same thing but with more administrative duties in
larger groups. 2/17/2001
Are Ásatrú and Odinism the same thing? There are Ásatrúar and
Odinists who feel that they are the same religion, while many others
who are Ásatrúar or Odinist feel there are distinct differences. The
term "Odinist" refers to an individual who is primarily dedicated to
Odin, and as such could also consider themselves Ásatrú, Wiccan,
Neo-pagan or simply Odinist, depending on the rites, fellowship and
beliefs that they express their dedication to that deity (and
associated deities) in.
What are the rites and ceremonies of Ásatrú? The rites and ceremonies
of Ásatrú are based on cultural observances of the old Norse and
Germanic people, many of which continued in the culture and societies
that followed without a recognition of the sacral aspect that they were
imbued with in the beginning. One such ritual is the highly ceremonial
toast following a formal meal, which parallels the sumbel (ON sumbl).
The sumbel is a ceremony that includes drinking communally and offering
up inspired speech that was binding in terms of oath and intent, as
illustrated in Beowulf and other Norse/Germanic literature. A blót,
sacrifice or blessing, is an offering to deity or other supernatural
beings. The offering may be a simple sharing of food or drink by an
individual to a more elaborate community ceremony. These ceremonies may
be performed indoors, or outside in a natural setting. Additonal
ceremonies include the naming of a child and its acceptance into the
family (ausa vatni), burials, healing, blessings in time of need and
divination among others. 2/25/2001
Is there magic in Ásatrú? Like many other ethnic or folk religions
there are magical components in Ásatrú based on a perception of an
interactivity and interconnectivity between the natural and
supernatural world that can be effected by men as well as gods through
various methods. In the Eddas, sagas, and other literature we find both
men and gods depicted using and teaching galdr (magical chants and
songs), seiđ (a shamanistic magic involving altered states of
consciousness and communication with spirits and gods) and runes
(referring to the Norse/Germanic alphabet which had magical
associations). Divination and auguries were also an important part of
the spiritual and religious views of the Old Norse and Germanic people.
In modern terms, seidh, galdr, and runes are incorporated in various
ways and to varying degrees in both personal and community practice of
the religion. As in the past, many do not practice nor necessarily
believe in magic or see it as a necessary expression of the faith
today. 3/1/01
How does one become Ásatrú? As with any religion, the answer to this
question depends more on the individual asking it than anything else.
Essentially, you are Ásatrú when you feel yourself to be Ásatrú.
Others will recognize you as Ásatrú when you behave in a manner
consistent with a belief in the Aesir, and indicative of a desire to
meet their standards for a "good person". Some feel that a rite of
passage, an oath, or a formal renunciation of your previous life is
necessary to indicate your new devotion. Others feel that this is not
necessary at all - that the gods know the sincerity with which somebody
claims to be Ásatrú. In general, if you can say "I am Ásatrú", and
really mean it, you have become Ásatrú. 3/23/01
Participants in the process of producing this FAQ as a consensus
collaboration among and by the following participants, individuals
representative of of the diverse community of Asatru:
Susan Granquist - Irminsul Aettir, Greg Shetler, Nik Warrenson - New
Zealand Ásatrú Fellowship, Ĺsatrufellesskapet_Bifrost, Hraesvelg
Odinsson, Eagle Kindred, Asatru Alliance, Rorik Radford, Steven
McNallen - Asatru Folk Assembly, Valgard Murray - Asatru Alliance,
Jenny Blaine - The Troth, Bil Linzie – Steward - The Troth, AVA
Laurence Hiner, Wod...@aol.com, Mike Dodd, Dirk Bruere - Odinic Rite
This FAQ is dedicated to the gods and the Asatru community, and hereby
placed in the public domain.
Doug Freyburger
I invite other Asatruar to add their own links, which I will then
combine.
I would also appreciate info on failed links.
If anyone has objections to any site or org then mail me with precise
details.
Note that listed here are only a fraction of the available resources.
However, enough should exist here to enable you to find what I omit.
There is also a copy of this on my site at
http://www.neopax.com/asatru/AsatruResources.TXT
feel free to link to it if you're feeling lazy.
Also, this information can be copied/used in any way by anyone. I claim
no copyright over this list nor any intellectual property rights.
Mailing lists:
http://www.irminsul.org/as/aswlist.html THE list of lists
http://groups.yahoo.com/community/Our_Meadhall *Continuation of A_N_A
http://www.eskimo.com/~valkyrie/as/aslal.html *The Asatru-L list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Asatru-U
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASHMAIL *Anglo-Saxon Heathen Mail List
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Heathenbooks *Beginning Lore Study Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galdrabok *Runes/magick
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeathenHerbs *Herbalism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeathenParenting
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saxontroth
http://www.webcom.com/~lstead/asalist.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FiberHall/ *Norse women's fiber hall
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asynjur *Female aspects
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HammersandAttitudes *Hail Thor!
http://eGroups.com/group/nordisk_asetro *Nordisk Asetro
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norse_Mythology
http://www.asatru-u.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grimnirs_Gate/ **New Members in this
International Group of 350+ contact von...@smartt.com
For an Invitation!
Magazines
http://www.odinic-rite.org/orbonline.html *magazine section of Odinic
Rite
http://www.northvegr.org/leidstjarna/index.html *Journal of the
Northern Star
http://www.northvegr.org/leidstjarna/haust2003/index.php
AFA_Bearcla...@yahoogroups.com *Bearclaw mailed from the AFA
Organisations:
http://www.ormswald.org.uk/ *Ormswald Cultural Sanctuary and Hof
http://www.odinistfellowship.co.uk/ *The Odinist Fellowship
http://www.heathensforprogress.tk/ *UK pressure group for official
Heathen recognition
http://www.neopax.com/nineworlds/index.htm *Nine Worlds - a universal
SIG for Heathen mystical/shamanic work
http://www.kithofyggdrasil.org *Kith of Yggdrasil (UK)
http://www.odinic-rite.org/ *The Odinic Rite
http://www.runestone.org/ *Asatru Folk Assembly
http://www.irminsul.org/ *Irminsul Aettir
http://www.ealdriht.org/ *Angelseaxisce Ealdriht Webpage
http://www.thetroth.org/ *The Troth
http://asatru.org *Asatru Alliance
http://www.aetaustralia.org/ *Assembly of the Elder Troth
http://www.friggasweb.org *Frigga's web
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/pbrough/stav/index.html *STAV - martial
art
http://www.northvegr.org/ *Northvegr Félag (was Midhnott Sol)
http://www.runegild.org/ *The Rune Gild
http://www.bifrost.no/ *Åsatrufellesskapet Bifrost
http://www.fornsidr.dk/ *Firn Siðr, Ase- og Vanesamfundet i Danmark
http://www.asatrosamfundet.se/ *Sveriges Asatrosamfund
http://www.midgardsweb.f2s.com/ *Midgards Web
http://www.thorshof.org/
http://www.aswynn.co.uk/ *Freya Aswynn
http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/ *The English Companions
http://www.vigrid.freeserve.co.uk/ *Wodens Folk (English)
http://www.heathenry.org/ *Norse Heathenry Society
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5346/ *New Zealand Asatru
Fellowship
http://www.eldaring.de/content/index.php *German Troth
http://mysite.freeserve.com/ormswald/page1.html *Ormswald Cultural
Sanctuary (UK)
http://www.geocities.com/willoftheasatrunation/ *WOTAN, Eire
http://www.irminenschaft.net/ *Irminschaft
Sites:
http://www.neopax.com/asatru/ *Thoughts and photos from my site (Dirk
Bruere)
http://www.angelfire.com/on/Wodensharrow/sitemenu.html *Woden's Sharrow
http://www.asatru.nl *Dutch Asatru
http://www.heidendom.nl
http://www.hetrad.nl
http://www.boudicca.de *dedicated to Boudicca, multilingual
http://www.runewebvitki.com/ *Rune study and theory
http://www.bcsupernet.com/users/wodan/ *Wodanesdag Press
http://www.river-wood-samfelag.org
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4178/asatru/asalink.html *An
Asatru resources list
http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/5346/ *New Zealand Fellowship
http://www.webcom.com/~lstead/RBValues.html *The Nine Virtues
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7up6c/index.html *Redwolf's Hall
http://members.tripod.com/redwolfs_hall/projectmain.htm *The Union
project*
http://www.runenstab.de *German Runesites
http://www.runenring.de
http://www.imperia-europa.org/ *French site, very good technically
http://www.webcom.com/~lstead/Ravenbok.html *Raven kindred
http://www.ahnensitte.net/ * Ahnensitte (V. Wagner)
http://www.geocities.com/osred/ *Odinism Australia
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/iac/ *Indiana Asatru Council
http://www.heidendom.nl/ *Netherlands
http://www.arild-hauge.com/ *Norwegian site
http://groups.msn.com/ASATRU
http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/asatro.html *Wodensharrow, also
the link below
http://home.earthlink.net/~norsemyths/norsemyths.html *Pictures of the
Gods - excellent
Other:
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ *Viking lore, customs, culture - and
she answers questions!
http://www.geocities.com/hgraw/Nanagoat0.html *Poems and stories for
young children
http://www.runegild.org/runaraven1.html *Runa Raven Press
http://www.oxfordancestors.com *Genetic profiling on male and female
lines
http://www.jelldragon.com *Excellent British source of Heathen goods
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/ *Online Medieval And Classical
Resources
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/mythlinks.html *Germanic myths and legends
http://www.asatru.is/ *Asatru in Iceland
http://asatru.org/wrldtree.htm *World Tree Publications
http://www.solorb.com/gfc/mead//mead.html *Mead
http://www.midhnottsol.org/dictionary/index.html *An Asatru Dictionary
http://www.undernet.org /join #Asatru, IRC Undernet Chat
http://www.irminsul.org/ru/ru.html *Runelore
http://www.europaltd.com/ *Ritual items for sale
http://members.aol.com/cbsunny/ *Mostly Runes, a good treatment!
http://www.geocities.com/folkway_tradehall/index.html *Folkway
Tradehall
http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/runes/fonts.html *Runic fonts
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/1557/fonts1.htm *Runic and
other fonts
http://huginn.ealdriht.org/ *Asatru Search Engine - find it here!
http://www.calontirtrim.com/ *Patterned trims for clothing
http://www.eddan.net/ *Eddas set to music - Wagnerian, excellent!
http://www.stores.ebay.com/magicalrealistgallery
http://www.primrun.is/ *Icelandic artist
http://www.tarahill.com/ *tara Hill designs, from soap to Runes
http://www.odinlives.org/ *Radio Asatru
http://pagan-things.com/ *er... pagan things
http://haligwaerstow.ealdriht.org/counseling/index.html *Heathen
counseling
Peter J Ross
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in news.groups:
> MODERATOR INFO: soc.religion.asatru
<...>
> Moderator: Dirk Bruere <dirk....@gmail.com>
<...>
When it come to a CFV I'll be voting No, on the grounds that Neo-Nazis
who whine to news providers whenever they see a post in an alt.* group
that doesn't support their Neo-Nazi delusions, or that flames them for
having such delusions, are unlikely to be good moderators.
But oh! wait! I no longer have a vote, since I'm not a Ringwraith, and
haven't slimed and sucked in the presence of the Ringwraiths the way
you have.
The fact that the first proposal under the all-new, all-improved,
all-laughable system is for a Neo-Nazi group confirms my worst
suspicions about the Interim Committee. They're not Neo-Nazis
themselves, of course, but they don't seem to have the brains to spot
Neo-Nazis even when a simple Google search would educate them.
Feel free to celebrate, Dirk and Doug. Your White-Power Vjiking group
is likely to be created: you win, and decent people lose.
Meanwhile, however, I've adjusted the newsgroups line to keep your
stealth-racist spew out of an existing soc.* group. Perhaps one day
I'll be forbidden to do even that.
Is Djirk too busy celebrating the British National Party gains in the
UK local elections to participate in this thread? Was he one of their
candidates, or is he still hoping to replace Nick Griffin as
acknowledged leader of the Looney Right?
PJR :-)
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discussion.
In a post that I have just made in the "An accusation" thread, I have
asked a question of the designated s.r.a. moderators about an issue of
personal concern. No compulsion to answer, of course, and private
answers to the HAH address would satisfy me if preferred.