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Dirk Bruere at Neopax
I nominate:
Gen Custer
Gen Patton
Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittman
FFF
Dirk
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Bertie the Bunyip
120108.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Candidates?
>
> I nominate:
>
> Gen Custer
> Gen Patton
> Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittman
>
Aww, how about yourself, Djirkie?
bertie
Doug Freyburger
>
> Candidates?
There's more to dying gloriously in battle than being in
the military or knowing that you're in a battle.
About 300 fire fighters in the World Trade Center. Some
security guard shot trying to stop a robbery. A lineman
pulled off a tower during a storm. A fisherman swept off
of the deck while trying to aide a vessel in distress.
But what about a gang member sent out to attack a rival
gang and getting shot? The combat in the sagas isn't all
that different than gang wars. The motivation has to
count for a lot and I doubt gang members are high on the
admissions list in spite of the surface similarities. I
am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
"Doug Freyburger" <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dirk Bruere wrote:
> >
> > Candidates?
>
> There's more to dying gloriously in battle than being in
> the military or knowing that you're in a battle.
Yet I believe Odin explicitly wants military people.
Particularly those who are exceptionally skilled and committed to that way
of life.
> About 300 fire fighters in the World Trade Center. Some
> security guard shot trying to stop a robbery. A lineman
> pulled off a tower during a storm. A fisherman swept off
> of the deck while trying to aide a vessel in distress.
None of which I would automatically select to fight a war over a trained
soldier or warrior.
> But what about a gang member sent out to attack a rival
> gang and getting shot? The combat in the sagas isn't all
> that different than gang wars. The motivation has to
> count for a lot and I doubt gang members are high on the
> admissions list in spite of the surface similarities. I
> am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
> Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
I thought Freya received before Odin got his pick?
ERIC K. MOORE
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <di...@neopax.com> wrote in message
news:bl66bs$8js63$1...@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Candidates?
>
> I nominate:
>
> Gen Custer
> Gen Patton
> Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittman
>
>
> FFF
> Dirk
Screw Custer, he doesn't deserve it since he died like the idiot he was with
no great stand, he was ambushed and shot off his horse.
EKM
bowman
>
> Screw Custer, he doesn't deserve it since he died like the idiot he was
> with no great stand, he was ambushed and shot off his horse.
He wasn't ambushed; he engaged an enemy force that has been estimated at
5000 warriors. An idiot, true, but he probably shot his own horse for an
impromptu breastwork.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
"bowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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http://www.civilwarhome.com/custerbi.htm
"Although better known for his Indian fighting, George Custer compiled a
creditable record as a cavalry leader in the latter part of the Civil War.
Graduating at the bottom of his West Point (1861) class, he was commissioned
a second lieutenant in the old 2nd Cavalry, later the 5th, on June 24, 1861.
His Civil War assignments included: first lieutenant, 5th Cavalry
July 17, 1862); captain and additional aide-de-camp, USA June 5,1862 - March
31, 1863); brigadier general, USV June 29, 1863); commanding 2nd Brigade,
3rd Division, Cavalry Corps, Army of the Potomac June 28 - July 15 and
August 4 November 25, 1863 and December 20, 1863 - January 7, 1864);
temporarily commanding the division July 15 - August 4 and November 25 -
December 20, 1863); commanding lst Brigade, lst Division, Cavalry Corps,
Army of the Potomac (March 25 - August 6, 1864) and Army of the Shenandoah
(August 6 -September 26, 1864); temporarily commanding 2nd Cavalry Division,
Army of West Virginia serving with the Army of the Shenandoah (September
26-30, 1864); commanding 3rd Division, Cavalry Corps, Army of the Shenandoah
(September 30, 1864 - January 5, 1865 and January 30 - March 25, 1865) and
Army of the Potomac (March 25 - May 22, 1865); and major general, USV (April
15, 1865).
Serving during the first two war years on the staffs of Generals
McClellan and Pleasonton, Custer saw action in the Peninsular, Antietam, and
Chancellorsville campaigns. Given his own star, he was assigned command of
the Michigan cavalry brigade and, with it, took part in the Gettysburg,
Bristoe, and Mine Run campaigns.
At Gettysburg he remained with General Gregg east of town to face
jeb Stuart's threat to the Union rear, although he was previously ordered to
the south. The combined Union force defeated Stuart.
In Grant's Richmond drive in 1864, Custer participated in the fight
at Yellow Tavern where Stuart was mortally wounded.
Transferred to the Shenandoah Valley with his men, he played a major
role in the defeat of Early's army at Winchester and Cedar Creek, commanding
a division at the latter.
Returning to the Army of the Potomac in early 1865, he fought at
Five Forks; and in the Appomattox Campaign. His victories against the rebel
cavalry came at a time when that force was a ghost of its former self Custer
was brevetted in the regulars through grades to major general for
Gettysburg, Yellow Tavern, Winchester, Five Forks, and the Appomattox
Campaign. In addition he was brevetted major general of volunteers for
Winchester.
Remaining in the army after the war, in 1866 he was appointed Lt.
Col. of the newly authorized 7th Cavalry, remaining its active commander
until his death. He took part in the 1867 Sioux and Cheyenne expedition, but
was court-martialed and suspended from duty one year for paying an
unauthorized visit to his wife. His army career ended June 25, 1876, at the
battle of Little Big Horn, which resulted in the extermination of his
immediate command and a total loss of some 266 officers and men. On June
28th, the bodies were given a hasty burial on the field. The following year,
what may have been Custer's remains were disinterred and given a military
funeral at West Point. (Monaghan, Jan, Custer: The Life of George Armstrong
Custer)"
Hardly an idiot IMO.
Bertie the Bunyip
> "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <di...@neopax.com> wrote in message
> news:bl66bs$8js63$1...@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Candidates?
> >
> > I nominate:
> >
> > Gen Custer
> > Gen Patton
> > Hauptsturmfuhrer Michael Wittman
> >
> >
> > FFF
> > Dirk
>
> Screw Custer,
Pervie
Bertie
bowman
> His army career ended June 25, 1876, at the
> battle of Little Big Horn, which resulted in the extermination of his
> immediate command and a total loss of some 266 officers and men.
>
> Hardly an idiot IMO.
We've had this discussion before, I believe. If you stand on the hill where
he died, you have a panoramic view of the Little Bighorn valley. I'm not
big on the theory that the glare of the sun or the smoke from cookfires
prevented him from noticing the size of the encampment.
He thought they were just indians and wanted to kick some ass before they
got away, so he engaged a superior force and lost.
He showed the same forethought and discipline as when he snuck home for a
piece of another kind of ass.
Of course, he wasn't the first or last US commander to underate the ability
of an indigenous people to defend themselves.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Well, the last theory I heard was that the Indians had better rifles than
the US troops and pretty much wiped them out at long range before moving in
for the final kill.
Doug Freyburger
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > There's more to dying gloriously in battle than being in
> > the military or knowing that you're in a battle.
>
> Yet I believe Odin explicitly wants military people.
> Particularly those who are exceptionally skilled and
> committed to that way of life.
I take that to mean disciplined and brave people rather
than just military. Egil Skalgrimsson was more like a
pirate captain than an infantry captain.
> > About 300 fire fighters in the World Trade Center. Some
> > security guard shot trying to stop a robbery. A lineman
> > pulled off a tower during a storm. A fisherman swept off
> > of the deck while trying to aide a vessel in distress.
>
> None of which I would automatically select to fight a war
> over a trained soldier or warrior.
Any of which are trainable as a wrrior, though. The Wanderer
has plenty of time to prepare and the weapons used on the
field will in no way resemble anything the world has yet seen.
Even if it is a battle with edged weapons, firemen are
trained axemen, linemen are dedicated support and signalmen,
usw.
> > I am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
> > Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
>
> I thought Freya received before Odin got his pick?
The wording varies, but the order is standard. Freya gets
first dibs.
I've always taken that as symbolic: As many are killed over
matters of the heart as are killed in battles about power.
Battles of the heart are more specifically selected, the Greek
tale of Cupid and his arrows must have had parallels involving
Freya. While pitched battles are far more random with poor
warriors surviving by luck and skiled warriors falling by luck.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
> Dirk Bruere wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >
> > > There's more to dying gloriously in battle than being in
> > > the military or knowing that you're in a battle.
> >
> > Yet I believe Odin explicitly wants military people.
> > Particularly those who are exceptionally skilled and
> > committed to that way of life.
>
> I take that to mean disciplined and brave people rather
> than just military. Egil Skalgrimsson was more like a
> pirate captain than an infantry captain.
But committed to warfare.
> > > About 300 fire fighters in the World Trade Center. Some
> > > security guard shot trying to stop a robbery. A lineman
> > > pulled off a tower during a storm. A fisherman swept off
> > > of the deck while trying to aide a vessel in distress.
> >
> > None of which I would automatically select to fight a war
> > over a trained soldier or warrior.
> Any of which are trainable as a wrrior, though. The Wanderer
Yet, if they really wanted to be warriors they would already be so.
> has plenty of time to prepare and the weapons used on the
> field will in no way resemble anything the world has yet seen.
> Even if it is a battle with edged weapons, firemen are
> trained axemen, linemen are dedicated support and signalmen,
> usw.
>
> > > I am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
> > > Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
> >
> > I thought Freya received before Odin got his pick?
>
> The wording varies, but the order is standard. Freya gets
> first dibs.
And she takes them to Sessrumnir?
> I've always taken that as symbolic: As many are killed over
> matters of the heart as are killed in battles about power.
I suspect it is because at one time the Goddess figure was the primary God
and it is an echo of that time.
> Battles of the heart are more specifically selected, the Greek
> tale of Cupid and his arrows must have had parallels involving
> Freya. While pitched battles are far more random with poor
> warriors surviving by luck and skiled warriors falling by luck.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Well, that's true in a lot of cases where famous and generally competent
people have been killed.
FFF
Dirk
bowman
>
> Listen, there has been extensive archeological study in the area which
> show that his stand at the end is a false notion, they attacked a village
> which had been abandoned and were ambushed while trying to make it back to
> the reinforcements, the evidence found by the historians doing the study
> showed a running battle, Custer was over confident as usual and paid for
> it dearly when the enemy shot him off his horse as he was coming over a
> ridge.
Please cite your sources, and the Discovery channel doesn't count. Reno
attacked and withdrew under fire. Benteen more or less stayed out of
trouble. There have been a lot of studies, and I love to see the
archeological evidence that indicates someone was shot off their horse.
I've got an idea -- I'll meet you down at the battlefield this weekend and
we can reenact the battle. I'll be the guy in buckskins and a .44 Henry...
ERIC K. MOORE
So you can lay on the ground and shoot me off my horse when I come over that
ridge, no thank you.
EKM
Geronimo!
>
> "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <di...@neopax.com> wrote in message
> news:blepbm$b8nq6$1...@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de...
> That's about true, plus the Indians were using repeating rifles as
> well, that's really not good when your still using single shot breech
> loaders with no where to hide.
Damn those indians, eh nazi boy?
Bertie
Doug Freyburger
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > > > I am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
> > > > Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
>
> > > I thought Freya received before Odin got his pick?
>
> > The wording varies, but the order is standard. Freya gets
> > first dibs.
>
> And she takes them to Sessrumnir?
Yes, or one of her other halls. There are many halls in Asgard
other than Vallhalla. Newbies often focus on Vallhalla to the
exclusion of these other honorable destinations.
> > I've always taken that as symbolic: As many are killed over
> > matters of the heart as are killed in battles about power.
>
> I suspect it is because at one time the Goddess figure was the
> primary God and it is an echo of that time.
The nice thing about Lore with enough quality to survive a
thousand years of retelling is it contains many layers of truth.
I don't think our two views have any conflict, so I think they
both explain the tale to some extent.
Hail Asgard!
Doug Freyburger
Bertie the Bunyip
news:7960d3ee.03100...@posting.google.com:
> Dirk Bruere wrote:
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> > > > I am not the one who gets to pick, though. Freya selects,
>> > > > Odin recieves. Interesting paired wording.
>>
>> > > I thought Freya received before Odin got his pick?
>>
>> > The wording varies, but the order is standard. Freya gets
>> > first dibs.
>>
>> And she takes them to Sessrumnir?
>
> Yes, or one of her other halls. There are many halls in Asgard
> other than Vallhalla. Newbies often focus on Vallhalla to the
> exclusion of these other honorable destinations.
>
>> > I've always taken that as symbolic: As many are killed over
>> > matters of the heart as are killed in battles about power.
>>
>> I suspect it is because at one time the Goddess figure was the
>> primary God and it is an echo of that time.
>
> The nice thing about Lore with enough quality to survive a
> thousand years of retelling
Yeah, if you have an IQ that allows you to believe comic books.
Bertei