Mosaic Law
Rofocale De Angeles
Okay
Something has always pissed me off. When I bring up goD's temper and
rigorous laws of the old testament stupid Christians always want to debate
with me. (i don't know where the jews have been hiding the bodies of their
slain homosexuals for so long or maybe they just decided goD didn't really
mean it.)
Christians always want to tell me, "Jesus died so we didn't have to
follow those laws. There was a covenant, blah blah"
Okay, okay, okay...let's ASSUME for a second that jesus did infact die
to make all the rules of the old testament moot...okay, i'm granting you
that for now.
Why the FUCK were they there in the first place? Did goD change his mind
all of a sudden.
killing people, hating homos, killing women and men for miniscule
things, bastards and eunnichs entering churches..all of that was in place
WHY?
Why I ask you..
Why did jesus have to stop that?
Is jesus really saving us from ourselves or was he saving us from goD?
Why would jesus disagree with goD?
If goD doesn't want homosexuals to live why does jesus?
If goD thought having a eunnich entering a church was such a bad idea
then why didn't jesus if jesus was so close to goD or even goD himself?
When the fuck did goD decide that "That eating pork thing was a bit
severe".
Jesus H. Chirst you christians......get a fuckin clue.
I ain't telling you what's out there. I will tell you though that you
have it ALL wrong. I KNOW, you've made it easy for me, you laid the
foundations for your religion in a book that anyone can read, then you LEFT
that book in EVERY FUCKIN HOTEL/MOTEL room I've EVER been in.
Please, stop being christians...PLEASE, it's just downright stupid. It's
not like the darkages when one man in 100 miles could actually read and even
then he had to translate the bible from latin to whatever indigenous
language he did speak.
THEY HAD AN EXCUSE, YOU DON'T
so quit right now, enough ppl have died, commit suicide, killed,
tortured, hurt, alienated, been alienated, mutiliated, been mutilated, self
mutiliated, chastened themselves, questioned, burned, stoned and
crucified.......it needs to stop.
Don't worry...the world won't end. Trust me, it gets a lot more lively,
you'll get used to not having a religious cushion to fall back on, I did.
Hail Satan
Rofocale
Leo Sgouros
Rofocale De Angeles <asta...@flash.net> wrote in message
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first, the OT was a book of applicable laws for the time-whatever you think
of it is not really relevant, it had its purpose in that for the day that is
what the rulers needed.
The New Testament has the same flaws but did get rid of most of the ancient
tribal customs-
You could look at the various faces of goD through his many prophets that
came to the different cultures IN WAYS THAT THEY COULD REALATE TO AND
UNDERSTAND-
It would be silly for Jesus to go to China and preach.So there is the Buddha
instead.
Now, I could care less if you believe it.
But dont pretend to "not get it" like this.
These manifestations were the necessary faces.
And I read the Satan books too, so dont get on your high horse about that
with me.
Regards
L
Art Copeland
I can't disagree with much of this what so ever. Not much of a debate
here. I had a small discussion about all the laws that were laid down by
"god"with a person. I made the statement, God only hand down ten laws.
Oops got my ass was jumped. The argument was on.This person stated God
laid down many laws for the people(100's) Now i'm in the position to
having to defend the God I worship. No, Moses, and others laid down all
these stupid laws on the people. Now a days I even wonder about the ten
that God gave to us. Here again we are having to go by what Moses said.
(Remember Moses destroyed the evidence,smart man) No matter how you look
at it, these were very stupid people in those days and they were not
even christians. The old testament(IMO)50% of it is the biggest crock of
crap that man has ever wrote.
The pre-christian religion *Asatru* was more in line with the old
testament than any known christian religion of today. Perhaps there are
more than one god? I think the old and new testament is proof of that.
As for *pork* that shit is dangerous when prepared incorrectly. In the
day of the old testament, Moses was an intelligent man and knew of these
things. If lived 900 hundred years that would mean I wasn't stupid and
seen many people die from pork. Telling the people not to eat pork was a
smart thing to do on his behalf. The more people that died, the less
followers he had.
People give to much credit to Jesus Christ. Christ was just a man. With
the same human faults as we have. I think the problem is that down
through time we have abused the word *sin* We as humans(as a christian
group) label anything that they don't like as being a sin. The word
*fuck* what made it a bad word? Are you going to "hell" for cursing?
IMO, if i did believe in hell, that I would be going to hell
faster?(pause) Sorry I can't think of anything that would put me in the
hell that christians preach about. Christ did teach us to love, have
compassion, and to forgive(I didn't say that christ followed his own
teachings) My question is, if you preach that our God is a loving God,
how in the hell can you turn around and say that this same God is going
to make you suffer for infinity in hell?
Rofocale, as you can see, it would be very hard for me to debate these
questions. I can see by another post on this thread, that some
christians are taking your debate personally and not viewing it as a
debate. To these christians, I'm asking you to open your mind and give
answers to these questions and not take them personally. Show that you
have*free will* Use you own thoughts and not what has been pounded ito
your mind...
Art
jody reese
answer that for you myself,but not untill then.
If you was realy wanting serious discussion about something,ask in a
serious way instead of just trying to get on peoples nerves. Chances are
You will get a more clear minded answer.
Jody
Art Copeland
Excuse me for answering this and I am not talking for Rofocale. I myself
would never want Rofocale to change just to make others happy. Rofocale
is Rofocale. I accept him as he is and I'm sure others do also.<G>
God Bless
Art
Mikala St. Germain
from one who writes, "untill then if you was realy wanting" etc.
I guess each of us has our own way of "getting on peoples nerves", no?
Mikala
Rofocale De Angeles
Leo Sgouros wrote in message ...
>first, the OT was a book of applicable laws for the time-whatever you think
>of it is not really relevant, it had its purpose in that for the day that
is
>what the rulers needed.
It's in the bible as the word of FUCKIN goD.
It's the BASIS for THREE of the world's major theologies!
>The New Testament has the same flaws but did get rid of most of the ancient
>tribal customs-
>You could look at the various faces of goD through his many prophets that
>came to the different cultures IN WAYS THAT THEY COULD REALATE TO AND
>UNDERSTAND-
>It would be silly for Jesus to go to China and preach.So there is the
Buddha
>instead.
>Now, I could care less if you believe it.
>But dont pretend to "not get it" like this.
>These manifestations were the necessary faces.
>And I read the Satan books too, so dont get on your high horse about that
>with me.
>Regards
>L
>
Look dude,
I understand that whole "all prophets represent the same divine entity"
crap. I wasn't talking about new agers. Those retards can get their own
posts. I was merely talking to Christans and by goD(literally) my post is
more than applicable.
and what are the "Satan books"? And when the fuck EVER have you seen me
use Satanism as a high horse in a theologial discussion?
Rofocale
Rofocale De Angeles
I could really care LESS what you're inclined to do or say.
I mean what are the odds you can really tell me something I don't
already know about angels, goD, the bible or christianity?
Pretty fuckin slim...
So piss off.
Rofocale
Note the f, stands for FUCK YOU
>jody reese wrote in message
<6392-3824AC29-61@storefull->171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>No offence Roto,But If you could tone down a bit,I might be inclined to
>answer that for you myself,but not untill then.
>If you was realy wanting serious discussion about something,ask in a
>serious way instead of just trying to get on peoples nerves. Chances are
>You will get a more clear minded answer.
> Jody
Anyone on ARA like the singer Bjork? she kicks ass
Rofocale De Angeles
Art I understand that Christians have what they like to call faith.
Faith in goD, faith in jesus, some even have faith in the bible.
I also understand that Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus
Christ who was a Jew. He quoted from, followed and believed in the
bible/Torah.
The torah therefor is the basis for the teachings of Christ.
Granted the rules were secular for the time but given goD's habit of
saying how true everything is and how the word of goD is not to be
questioned or manipulated.
Did goD not know how much times would change in the next 5,000 years?
Do you really thing 5,000 years ago goD thought it would always be the same?
You can blame Moses, Jesus, Isaih, John or Paul but the truth is that
they each based their own findings off of the others taking for granted that
all that came before them were true.
If you like Jesus' teachings fine, then follow them. However it is
irresponcible to say you follow the bible or are a Christian.
An example, I follow a lot of teachings of Buddha but I'm not buddhist,
I feel there is a lot of truth in what Neiztche had to say but I'm not a
fascist politically.
You can follow Jesus' teachings without being a Christian.
Many self considered "Christians" refuse to give up their label of
"Christian" for fear of being considered evil or other repriseals brought by
there fellow man.
Trust me, if you lead the life you thing goD, jesus or whomever wants
you to lead, do you REALLY think they CARE what you label yourself?
Times are changing. A lot of people say we need a new bible or code of
religious laws/practices. It simply won't hold up. The bible isn't holding
up look at what I can do to it on a daily basis.
Given the education we have access too and the many materials it is no
longer a matter of devotion but of responcibility when it comes to religion.
The new world will have no use for books, preachers or others who cannot
ELEVATE their fellow man. We are evolving mentally and spiritually quicker
than has ever been recorded before.
Yesterday more books were published than in all of 1592 or all of
2-3,000 B.C.
Humanity has grown up and it's time to put our toys away. We are as a
species young adults ready to take our first steps into spiritual
independence. We mustn't let labels, names or books hold us back.
The bible is a set back, truly and wholly. If goD does exist he's behind
in the times and like anything WILL BE LEFT BACK.
Let me tell you what the new bible is. The new bible is searching for
what you can hold onto as true. That's what the Christian Bible and Torah
have been for so many years. A truth people could tangibly hold onto. Now
it's time for us to look inside ourselves for the new way.
Rofocale
<<<>>RENEGADE<<>>>
\\\\"Night Songs"////
jody reese
Personally,I think Roto is a good writer & he realy does make sense in a
lot of areas of discussion. The only thing im saying is why condemn
Christianity as a whole? Why the flames?
We all make mistakes & I know that none of us has the key to
"absolute" truth unless it was given to us by the higher power. Im not a
close-
minded person but at the same time,Ive had the filling of the holy ghost
before & its something totally unimaginable untill you have the
opportunity to feel it for yourself.
It wasnt just a tingling feeling I had either,I mean I was in total
suspended animation for about 3 days over it. Nothing like ive ever felt
before....
In 1990 when the persian gulf war erupted I was in the Natonal Guard
at the time,(Yep,A
Mikala St. Germain
you think you are cute by messing up Rofocale's name, understand that it
only makes you appear more limited intellectually than you otherwise prove
to be by your posts. So tell your "holy ghost filled self" to try to live by
the teachings you profess and show respect for your fellows. "In that you
have done this to the least of these, your brethren, you have done it unto
me." JC circa 30 BC
Mikala
Art Copeland
His name is RoFocale....(NOT RoTo) I myself have not seen a flame here
in days. The only flame war here in weeks have been between me and
another poster.
There is over a 1,000 christian religions. They tend to have one thing
in-common the Blble. Wrote by man and "inspired by God". I think up to
this point we are in agreement? This is were the problem begins. Looking
at the old testament, it would be very hard to say this was "inspired by
God" aleast the God that I worship. There are many,many,other books left
out of the book that we call the bible. To see a more clearer picture;
all these other books need to be read also. Give you an idea, the 72
people that translated the bible had a king that would have killed
someone if it didn't match what he believed in. Now with the thought of
death hanging over their heads do you truly think it was all "inspired
by God"?
This link here will give you more reading on the subject:
http://www.pe.net/~bidstrup/bible.htm
I read my bible often, but also question what I read. I study from other
writings and cross refference what subject I am reading. Now-a-days I
can not accept the bible at face value. At one point(not long ago) I
would have argued to the end that the *trinity* was as real as God. Now
after doing research on the subject, I now see this is not possible....
you say:" We all make mistakes & I know that none of us has the key to
"absolute" truth unless it was given to us by the higher power." I seek
truth as much as I seek God. I have learned one thing about seeking the
truth; when you find truth will you believe it as being the truth?
Sometimes truth hurts, as I have discovered in my studies.
Yes I know the feeling of being filled with the holy spirit and it is a
high that I have never experienced before in my life. The question is,
at that point did that make you a christian, or did you evolve into a
christian by what you was taught? Please read the past history of
christians and you may change your mind about labeling yourself as a
christian...(that is if you do label yourself as a christian)
Jody this in no way a flame to christianity. Christianity means
following the teachings of Jesus Christ. The word *christian* has many
different meanings these days and don't always follow the teachings of
Jesus Christ.
God Bless
Art
Leo Sgouros
No time that I recall.
It was my assumption and I apologize for making that leap.
We are in agreement, however, that the worlds religions are far off the
mark.
L
jody reese
Sorry:-)
Rofocale De Angeles
jody reese wrote in message
oops,Cant believe i forgot i wasnt finished...lol
Sorry:-)
Thank you for stopping when you did "Jody" I was beginning to get sickened
to the point off nausea.
jody reese
Mikala St. Germain
jody reese wrote:
> :-ş
Matthew G
He is a Gentile, which means he is a christian that is not a Jew.
websters dictionary
Gentile-Someone, especially christian, who is not a jew
Jew-A decendant of the ancient Hebrew people.
Hebrew-descent from abraham, Isaac and Jacob
which were from isreal.
Just thought you might want to know that.
Group: alt.religion.angels Date: Sun, Nov 7, 1999, 10:36am (CST+6) From:
asta...@flash.net (Rofocale De Angeles) Re: Mosaic Law -Art/ No
Christianity
Roaches can live through thermonuclear war but they cannot swim!!!
Mikala St. Germain
Rofocale De Angeles wrote:
(Snip for space)
Given the education we have access too and the many materials it is no
longer a matter of devotion but of responcibility when it comes to religion.
The new world will have no use for books, preachers or others who cannot
ELEVATE their fellow man. We are evolving mentally and spiritually quicker
than has ever been recorded before.
(Snip for space)
Humanity has grown up and it's time to put our toys away. We are as a
species young adults ready to take our first steps into spiritual
independence. We mustn't let labels, names or books hold us back.
The bible is a set back, truly and wholly. If goD does exist he's behind
in the times and like anything WILL BE LEFT BACK.
Let me tell you what the new bible is. The new bible is searching for
what you can hold onto as true. That's what the Christian Bible and Torah
have been for so many years. A truth people could tangibly hold onto. Now
it's time for us to look inside ourselves for the new way.
While I think that the truth can only be judged by the degree of resonance from within, I also believe that there are many truths "out there" that can hasten our understandings. Also, I can't decide whether it is, indeed, a new way or if it was the original intent before we (humans) screwed it up.
Rofocale
Thank you for your thoughtful posts. The ng certainly needs them!
Mikala
Leo Sgouros
Matthew G <Matthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Rofocale De Angeles
Cause if it's a joke it's highly funny.
But if you really think Jesus was Christian, that's not so funny.
Matthew G wrote in message
<19782-38...@storefull-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Matthew G
sabbath holy, so says the scriptures.
Matthew G
-= Ðeepblue =-
not quite accurate... if you asked the Jews of the time...
correct me if I'm wrong.. but wasn't one of their excuses for going
after him that he healed someone on the sabbath day and they considered
that work?
*shrug*
I presume to know nothing.
-=DB=-
Matthew G wrote:
> Jesus followed all of the old covenant laws including keeping the
> sabbath holy, so says the scriptures.
>
Leo Sgouros
--- Shiva --- <shiv...@pcis.net> wrote in message
news:80file$mo9$0...@208.207.70.146...
> but wasn't one of their excuses for going
> after him that he healed someone on the sabbath day and they
> considered
> that work?
>
> Today the no work means, NOTHING is done, cant drive a car, cook,
> etc...no working in a hospital, anything you can think of is not
> allowed.
>
> Shiva
> The Sleeper is Awake
>
ohoh!!
Is this one of the times we can get into that whole thing about the changing
of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? ;-)
Art Copeland
When we talk about the Sabbath day. (IMO) This is the most dumb, lame,
thing that ever came out of the bible. And on the 7th day he rested. we
tell time by the rotation of the earth. 24 hr turn around. Now you mean
a God that created *everything* was using the rotation of the earth to
tell time? That's bull-crap! No days or nights until the earth started
turning. If i'm not mistaking humans didn't even realize the earth was
round, and when they did realize it they thought it was the center of
creation and every thing rotated around the earth. To much fairie tales
here.
Art
--- Shiva --- wrote:
>
> Why Leo, you want to go there?
>
> ohoh!!
> Is this one of the times we can get into that whole thing about the
> changing
> of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? ;-)
>
> ... "rabbid' orthodox jews say its from sundown Fri to sundown Sat...
> personally, I don't care 1 way or the other...
> the Catholics if I remember right, moved their sunday to Fri? in 1
> country, due to the predominant belief in the main religion there that
> their holy day was Friday. So, rather than disrupt the economy 2 days
> a week, they moved theirs to match...
Leo Sgouros
basically I really dont think it matters-
if you are into it, and you want to rest on the Sabbath, I think the point
is that you are acknowledging the Sabbath, no matter what day it actually
was or is.
--- Shiva --- <shiv...@pcis.net> wrote in message
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Leo Sgouros
Art Copeland <artco...@brinet.net> wrote in message
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> OK,
>
> When we talk about the Sabbath day. (IMO) This is the most dumb, lame,
> thing that ever came out of the bible. And on the 7th day he rested. we
> tell time by the rotation of the earth. 24 hr turn around. Now you mean
> a God that created *everything* was using the rotation of the earth to
> tell time? That's bull-crap! No days or nights until the earth started
> turning. If i'm not mistaking humans didn't even realize the earth was
> round, and when they did realize it they thought it was the center of
> creation and every thing rotated around the earth. To much fairie tales
> here.
>
I am not too worried about the Sabbath thing-it is mainly symbolic
BUT
Eratosthenes actually measured the circumference of the earth-
before the time of Christ-
he was only off by a small amount( I am doing this from memory)
> Art
>
> --- Shiva --- wrote:
> >
Rofocale De Angeles
Leo Sgouros wrote in message ...
>
>> but wasn't one of their excuses for going
>> after him that he healed someone on the sabbath day and they
>> considered
>> that work?
>>
>> ...That was one of the excuses used,,, NO work on sunday..
>> Today the no work means, NOTHING is done, cant drive a car, cook,
>> etc...no working in a hospital, anything you can think of is not
>> allowed.
>>
>> The Sleeper is Awake
>>
>
>Is this one of the times we can get into that whole thing about the
changing
>of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? ;-)
>
as how Christianity came about years AFTER HIS DEATH.
-= Ðeepblue =-
There are many obvious contradictions, and the whole thing is steeped in
symbolism. Who's to say how long the days were before there were days?
another thought occurrs to me: if you were an all powerful being (which I
cannot disprove -- but we'll get into that later) how would you describe
something involving temporal mechanics plus powers beyond human
comprehension to a man who belonged to a society 2000 years ago? heck, it
still couldn'y be done today ;)
so the obvious answer "I uh.. did it in 7 days... this is what I did on each
day.. and I um.. took a break on the 7th" =D
like my reasoning? *LOL*
live free :)
-=DB=-
Art Copeland wrote:
> OK,
>
> When we talk about the Sabbath day. (IMO) This is the most dumb, lame,
> thing that ever came out of the bible. And on the 7th day he rested. we
> tell time by the rotation of the earth. 24 hr turn around. Now you mean
> a God that created *everything* was using the rotation of the earth to
> tell time? That's bull-crap! No days or nights until the earth started
> turning. If i'm not mistaking humans didn't even realize the earth was
> round, and when they did realize it they thought it was the center of
> creation and every thing rotated around the earth. To much fairie tales
> here.
>
> Art
>
> --- Shiva --- wrote:
> >
> > Why Leo, you want to go there?
> >
> > ohoh!!
> > Is this one of the times we can get into that whole thing about the
> > changing
> > of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? ;-)
> >
> > ... "rabbid' orthodox jews say its from sundown Fri to sundown Sat...
> > personally, I don't care 1 way or the other...
> > the Catholics if I remember right, moved their sunday to Fri? in 1
> > country, due to the predominant belief in the main religion there that
> > their holy day was Friday. So, rather than disrupt the economy 2 days
> > a week, they moved theirs to match...
> >
jody reese
jody reese
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-= Ðeepblue =-
date. Now I realise why i don't watch fictional tv anymore. :)
-=DB=-