ANGEL BEING
Traudel
~By Monique Nicole Fox~
Beings of holy light
Beings of strength, power and might
Beings of oversight
Beings of hope and delight
Beings of heavenly height
Beings of knowledge and insight
Please watch over me when I sleep tonight
<<>><<>><<>>
November 22nd - St. Cecilia of Rome VM (RM)
Her name, that she founded a church, and that she was buried in the cemetery
of
Saint Callixtus (donated to the Church by Cecilia) is all that is really
known
about Saint Cecilia. Her tomb in the cemetery was the prominent feature of a
crypt adjoining the papal crypt according to inscriptions found there.
Her unreliable story, constructed of legends, tells us that Saint Cecilia
was
born of a patrician family in Rome and raised as a Christian. She wore a
coarse
horsehair garment beneath her clothes of rank, fasted, and vowed herself to
God.
Against her will she was married by her father to a young, pagan patrician
named
Valerian. While everyone sang and danced at their wedding, Cecilia sat
apart,
saying only the Psalms. Valerian turned out to be a man of great
understanding.
On their wedding night, she told Valerian, "I have an angel of God watching
over
me. If you touch me in the way of marriage, he will be angry and you will
suffer. But if you respect my maidenhood, he will love you as he loves me."
Valerian replied, "Show me this angel." She told him that if he believed in
the
living and one true God and was baptized, he would see the angel. Thus, she
persuaded Valerian to respect her vow of virginity.
He was impressed and attracted by his wife's Christian graces, and so
Valerian
was baptized by Pope Saint Urban (which would be c. 222-230). When he
returned
to Cecilia, he found her standing by the side of an angel as she promised.
The
angel told him: "I have a crown of flowers for each of you. They have been
sent
from paradise as a sign of the life you are both to lead. If you are
faithful to
God, He will reward you with the everlasting perfumes of heaven."
The angel then crowned Cecilia with roses, and Valerian with a wreath of
lilies.
The delightful fragrance of the flowers filled the whole house. At this
point
Valerian's brother, Tiburtius, appeared. He, too, was offered salvation if
he
would renounce false gods. Cecilia converted him, and he was baptized.
From that time the two young men dedicated themselves to good works. Because
of
their ardor in burying the bodies of martyred Christians, they were
arrested.
The prefect Almachius told them that if they would sacrifice to the gods,
they
could go free. They refused, and Valerian rejoiced when he was handed over
to be
scourged.
The prefect wanted to give them another chance, but his assessor warned him
that
they would simply use the interim to give away their possessions so that
they
couldn't be confiscated. They were beheaded in Pagus Triopius, four miles
from
Rome. With them was an officer named Maximus, who had declared himself a
Christian after witnessing their fortitude.
Cecilia buried the three and then decided to turn her home into a place of
worship. Her religion was discovered and she herself asked to refute her
faith.
She converted those who were sent to convince her to sacrifice to the gods.
When
Pope Urban visited her at home, he baptized over 400 people.
In court, Almachius debated with her for some time. She was sentenced to be
suffocated to death in the bathroom of her own house. The furnace was fed
seven
times its normal amount of fuel, but the steam and heat failed to stifle
her. A
soldier sent to behead her struck at her neck three times, and she was left
dying on the floor. She lingered for three days, during which time the
Christians thronged to her side, and she formally made over her house to
Urban
and committed her household to his care.
She was buried next to the papal crypt in the catacombs of Saint Callixtus.
In
817, Pope Saint Paschal I discovered her grave, which had been concealed
from
the Lombard invader Aistulf in 756, and translated her body to beneath the
main
altar of what was later called the titulus Sanctae Caeciliae, which
translates
as "the church founded by a lady named Cecilia." In 1599, during the
renovation
of the church, Cardinal Sfondrati opened her tomb and found her holy remains
incorrupt. Even the green and gold of her rich robe had not been injured by
time. Thousands had the privilege of seeing her in her coffin, and many have
been blessed by miracles. The body disintegrated quickly after meeting with
the
air.
Under the high altar in Saint Cecilia's Church is a beautiful marble statue
by
Maderna portraying the martyr bathed in her own blood as she fell after the
stroke of the sword. A replica of this statue occupies the the original
resting
place of the saint in the catacomb of Callixtus. Other artists were allowed
to
paint pictures of her after her tomb was opened.
Until the middle ages, Pope Saint Gregory had been the patron of music and
musicians, but when the Roman Academy of Music was established in 1584, it
was
put under the protection of Saint Cecilia; thus, her patronage of music
originated. Dryden wrote a "Song for Saint Cecilia Day" and Pope an "Ode for
Music on Saint Cecilia Day."
Valerian, Tiburtius, and Maximus are historical characters; they were Roman
martyrs, buried in the cemetery of Praetextatus, but nothing else is known
of
them. Their story as outlined above may is a fabrication; but it wasn't
until
recently that scholars were able to elucidate it, and from the 6th century
onwards Saint Cecilia, virgin and martyr, was held in high honor by
Christians
in the West. Her legend was the basis for the Second Nun's Tale in Chaucer's
Canterbury Tales.
Whatever the true story of Saint Cecilia, the virtues assigned to her can be
found in authoritative acta of other saints and, thus, are worthy of our
heeding
and following the example set down in the response and antiphon in the old
Roman
breviary for the Office of Saint Cecilia:
"In the midst of the concert of instruments, the virgin Cecilia sang to God
alone in her heart: 'May my heart and my body remain pure, O God. Let me not
be
confounded.'
"She imposed on herself fasts of three and four days. She prayed and gave
into
God's keeping that for which she feared.
"Saint Cecilia, you triumphed over Almachius, the prefect, and converted two
brothers by showing them bishop Urban of the angelic face. Like an
industrious
bee, you served the Lord.
"The glorious virgin forever carried the Gospel in her heart. Day and night
she
prayed and communed with God. She stretched out her hands to the Lord. Her
heart
was on fire with heavenly love.
"With her hairshirt, Cecilia subdued her body. She groaned and cried out to
God.
She brought Tiburtius and Valerian to share the crown. She was a wise
virgin, to
be numbered among the discreet.
"O Lord Jesus Christ, our good Shepherd, author of chaste vows, receive the
fruit of the seed that you sowed in Saint Cecilia. Your servant Cecilia,
like an
industrious bee, spent herself in your service. The husband that came to her
like a fierce lion, she brought to you like a most gentle lamb.
"There is a secret, Valerian, that I wish to tell you: 'I have as my friend
an
angel of God who watches over my body with jealous care.
"Saint Cecilia said to Tiburtius: 'Today I greet you as my brother, for the
love
of God has made you spurn idols.'
"We believe that Christ, the son of God, who chose unto himself such a
servant,
is the true God.
"As the dawn was breaking, Cecilia cried: 'Awake, soldiers of Christ. Cast
away
the works of darkness and clothe yourselves with the arms of light.
"I asked the Lord to spare me yet for three days that I might consecrate my
house as a church." (Appleton, Attwater, Benedictines, Bentley, Coulson,
Delaney, Encyclopedia, Farmer, Keyes, Melady, Sheppard, Walsh, White)
Quote:
If you wish to labor with fruit in the conversion of souls, you must pour
the
balsam of sweetness upon the wine of your zeal, that it may not be too
fiery,
but mild, soothing, patient, and full of compassion. For the human soul is
so
constituted that by rigor it becomes harder, but mildness completely softens
it.
Besides, we ought to remember that Jesus Christ came to bless good
intentions,
and if we leave them to His control, little by little He will make them
fruitful.
-St Francis de Sales
Bible Quote
27 My sheep hear my voice: and I know them, and they follow me. 28 And I
give
them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall
pluck them out of my hand (John 10:27-28)
<><><><>
Power of patience
Listen patiently, and you will better understand. Work patiently, and you
will
build lasting value.
In patience there is power. In patience, there is the expression of real and
abiding love.
Patience melts away painful and destructive anxieties. Patience helps to
avoid
careless mistakes.
Patience reveals a depth of strong character. Patience provides comfort and
refuge for those who are weary of the world's frustrations.
Patience is crucial to persistence. And with sufficient persistence, any
goal
can be reached.
Each day, there are opportunities to make use of the power of patience. As
you
strengthen your patience, so do you greatly expand the positive
possibilities
for your life.
-- Ralph Marston
marika
Traudel wrote:
> "ANGEL BEING"
> ~By Monique Nicole Fox~
>
> Beings of holy light
it is hard to comment on this
mk5000
"I'm not
particularly proud of how
I look.
I've never been what
Hollywood considers
beautiful... It would be
so great to
look like Andie
Macdowell. "--Sarah Jessica parker
Mark Earnest
"marika" <marik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Traudel wrote:
>> "ANGEL BEING"
>> ~By Monique Nicole Fox~
>>
>> Beings of holy light
>
>
> it is hard to comment on this
Try.
marika
I guess I think of angels, then, as beings who are painted because that
medium is quite good at portraying the play of light on things we see.
But, angels are most like Picasso paintings, but more like fish in
Picasso the Tuna paintings than anything on land.
Picasso the Tuna looks something like Charlie the Tuna, but he's not
such a loser, with his harem of prawns he whups on alternate sundays
and three breasted soles on any given sunday
mk5000
"Typical addict idea...lifestyle...outlook....illegal....immoral....I
guess we wouldn't expect anything else..."--smokers_stink_2000
Mark Earnest
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>> "marika" <marik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164161633.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Traudel wrote:
>> >> "ANGEL BEING"
>> >> ~By Monique Nicole Fox~
>> >>
>> >> Beings of holy light
>> >
>> >
>> > it is hard to comment on this
>>
>> Try.
>
> I guess I think of angels, then, as beings who are painted because that
> medium is quite good at portraying the play of light on things we see.
> But, angels are most like Picasso paintings, but more like fish in
> Picasso the Tuna paintings than anything on land.
>
> Picasso the Tuna looks something like Charlie the Tuna, but he's not
> such a loser, with his harem of prawns he whups on alternate sundays
> and three breasted soles on any given sunday
When Picasso "saw" all of the wondrous things he painted, don't you think
that they had to somehow exist, first?
How can he see something that is not there?
So when painters through the ages painted the angels we know and love onto
our consciousnesses, surely they "saw" something.
I asked God one time if Jesus looked the way we imagined him, you know, with
beard, long hair, and all that.
He said yes.
We must not belittle human imagination.
It is often inspired.
marika
Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> When Picasso "saw" all of the wondrous things he painted, don't you think
> that they had to somehow exist, first?
i went out to the Sidewalk art show today
it was a beautiful day so it was well worth the walking around
the art was not terrible, some of it was ok and some of it actually
attracted my eye
So guess I was there
and so was the art
but what the artist saw or did not see when creating the image they put
on the paiting is only for us to guess when the artist is inacessible
as is Picasso
>
> How can he see something that is not there?
I don't know if he did or did not. But it is said that art is the
representation of light. So he must have seen light.
It is often said that what Picasso painted is not something that he saw
and nothing that existed outside of his paitings
Nonetheless i am not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
Does light exist?
Do shadows exist.
I don't know
But that's what Picasso probably was painting.
>
> So when painters through the ages painted the angels we know and love onto
> our consciousnesses, surely they "saw" something.
I don't know any painters who painted angels throughout the ages. Can
you give some examples
I am not aware of a specific painting that Picasso painted that is of
an angel.
He did paint lots of paintings that had lights and shadow.
>
> I asked God one time if Jesus looked the way we imagined him, you know, with
> beard, long hair, and all that.
>
> He said yes.
>
Why did he lie to you, then?
> We must not belittle human imagination.
> It is often inspired.
You are certainly the one belittling it.
Not I
Picasso the Tuna painted light and shadows of fish that were angels.
Picasso painted light and shadows and lots of things, but I don't know
enough about his art to tell you whether he painted angels or fish or
angel fish.
I made up Picasso the Tuna.
He is part of my imagination and therefore he paints what I want him to
paint
His work is inspired, but I am the only one that sees it and it does
not exist for you.
Unless I choose to share it.
But I assure you that he has never painted anything that exists,
because I have not yet allowed him to
He paints light that to you might look like a fish that could be an
angel.
But it is my painting.
Perhaps some day I will show it to you.
Assuming i decide to make it exist.
mk5000
"Now billy, billy dont you lose my number
Cos youre not anywhere
That I can find you, oh
Now billy, billy dont you lose my number"--Phil Collins
Mark Earnest
>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>
>> When Picasso "saw" all of the wondrous things he painted, don't you think
>> that they had to somehow exist, first?
>
> i went out to the Sidewalk art show today
> it was a beautiful day so it was well worth the walking around
> the art was not terrible, some of it was ok and some of it actually
> attracted my eye
> So guess I was there
> and so was the art
> but what the artist saw or did not see when creating the image they put
> on the paiting is only for us to guess when the artist is inacessible
> as is Picasso
Knowing the artist's intentions is the whole goal of artists.
Surely they can make that happen.
>
>>
>> How can he see something that is not there?
>
> I don't know if he did or did not. But it is said that art is the
> representation of light. So he must have seen light.
> It is often said that what Picasso painted is not something that he saw
> and nothing that existed outside of his paitings
Every painting is seen before it is put on canvas.
And one always sees something.
Those that said this about Picasso did not know the artist,
as do all whom appreciate his work, truly know him.
>
> Nonetheless i am not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
> Does light exist?
> Do shadows exist.
> I don't know
> But that's what Picasso probably was painting.
The point is that angels probably look similar to the way they are painted,
in at least one of their states of being.
>
>>
>> So when painters through the ages painted the angels we know and love
>> onto
>> our consciousnesses, surely they "saw" something.
>
> I don't know any painters who painted angels throughout the ages. Can
> you give some examples
Get an angel book at a bookstore or library. Artists love to paint angels.
One exquisite painter of angels even used to post here.
> I am not aware of a specific painting that Picasso painted that is of
> an angel.
> He did paint lots of paintings that had lights and shadow.
>
>>
>> I asked God one time if Jesus looked the way we imagined him, you know,
>> with
>> beard, long hair, and all that.
>>
>> He said yes.
>>
>
> Why did he lie to you, then?
He never lies.
>
>> We must not belittle human imagination.
>> It is often inspired.
>
> You are certainly the one belittling it.
> Not I
> Picasso the Tuna painted light and shadows of fish that were angels.
> Picasso painted light and shadows and lots of things, but I don't know
> enough about his art to tell you whether he painted angels or fish or
> angel fish.
> I made up Picasso the Tuna.
> He is part of my imagination and therefore he paints what I want him to
> paint
> His work is inspired, but I am the only one that sees it and it does
> not exist for you.
> Unless I choose to share it.
> But I assure you that he has never painted anything that exists,
> because I have not yet allowed him to
> He paints light that to you might look like a fish that could be an
> angel.
> But it is my painting.
> Perhaps some day I will show it to you.
> Assuming i decide to make it exist.
So an imaginary being in your mind exists that has not yet been allowed to
paint.
That is a LOT of imagination.
Which is good.
An artist can cause a good many things to happen that has that much control.
Like the artists that painted angels.
Their effect went into the distant past.
Maybe the imaginary being can become your artist's brush.
marika
Mark Earnest wrote:
> "marika" <marik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164242205....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Mark Earnest wrote:
> >>
> >> When Picasso "saw" all of the wondrous things he painted, don't you think
> >> that they had to somehow exist, first?
> >
> > i went out to the Sidewalk art show today
> > it was a beautiful day so it was well worth the walking around
> > the art was not terrible, some of it was ok and some of it actually
> > attracted my eye
> > So guess I was there
> > and so was the art
> > but what the artist saw or did not see when creating the image they put
> > on the paiting is only for us to guess when the artist is inacessible
> > as is Picasso
>
> Knowing the artist's intentions is the whole goal of artists.
> Surely they can make that happen.
and they can also make it happen to purposely obscure the intention
and there are artists who don't know their intention and therefore
can't make it clear
and there are people who aren't appropriately perceptive enough in
spite of the artists attempts
and there are those artists who are dead and whom we now can't ask if
we haven't been perceptive enough
>
> >
> >>
> >> How can he see something that is not there?
> >
> > I don't know if he did or did not. But it is said that art is the
> > representation of light. So he must have seen light.
> > It is often said that what Picasso painted is not something that he saw
> > and nothing that existed outside of his paitings
>
> Every painting is seen before it is put on canvas.
What about that guy Pollock,
he made it clear that the pieces weren't seen before hand but taht they
were placed on the canvas through a sort of accident
he may have planned the movement in advance but he didn't really see
what would be completed before it showed up on the canvas
that was what made his pieces interesting
and there are certainly other artists who do something accidental on
purpose without planning at all what will show up on the canvas,
> And one always sees something.
not always
> Those that said this about Picasso did not know the artist,
> as do all whom appreciate his work, truly know him.
>
i don't understand what that sentence meant
>
> >
> > Nonetheless i am not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
> > Does light exist?
> > Do shadows exist.
> > I don't know
> > But that's what Picasso probably was painting.
>
> The point is that angels probably look similar to the way they are painted,
> in at least one of their states of being.
>
unless of course they hadn't been seen at all and are only imagined
> >
> >>
> >> So when painters through the ages painted the angels we know and love
> >> onto
> >> our consciousnesses, surely they "saw" something.
> >
> > I don't know any painters who painted angels throughout the ages. Can
> > you give some examples
>
> Get an angel book at a bookstore or library.
>Artists love to paint angels.
> One exquisite painter of angels even used to post here.
>
> > I am not aware of a specific painting that Picasso painted that is of
> > an angel.
> > He did paint lots of paintings that had lights and shadow.
> >
> >>
> >> I asked God one time if Jesus looked the way we imagined him, you know,
> >> with
> >> beard, long hair, and all that.
> >>
> >> He said yes.
> >>
> >
> > Why did he lie to you, then?
>
> He never lies.
he most certainly does and he has a sense of humor too, so sometimes
it's not a lie more like teasing.
but yeah he does too lie
on purpose
sometimes because he's in a bad mood
and he forgets that you might do something stupid because of you
believed him
other times he is just ornery
Did you know that god's favorite movie is three stooges in orbit, have
rocket will travel
i am not an artist and i can't paint
mk5000
"Keep quiet instead of having the industry buzzin'
Do a devil's advocate style, don't let 'em see you comin'
Use the revolver when bustin' and sluggin'
That way no evidence "--mase, from scratch
Mark Earnest
There are artists that don't know the first rule of art: that they must
paint *something.* And *something* implies its existence.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> How can he see something that is not there?
>> >
>> > I don't know if he did or did not. But it is said that art is the
>> > representation of light. So he must have seen light.
>> > It is often said that what Picasso painted is not something that he saw
>> > and nothing that existed outside of his paitings
>>
>> Every painting is seen before it is put on canvas.
>
> What about that guy Pollock,
>
> he made it clear that the pieces weren't seen before hand but taht they
> were placed on the canvas through a sort of accident
> he may have planned the movement in advance but he didn't really see
> what would be completed before it showed up on the canvas
Sometimes we do things without realizing that we are doing them, and it is
done by the subconscious. We become kind of like the focal points of a beam
of light, which focuses through the artist's brush.
So whoever Pollock is, I am sure that he was "onto" some reality before he
painted it, whether he was fully aware of it or not.
>
> that was what made his pieces interesting
Maybe it was the fact that he conceptualized reality so vividly through his
effortless subconscious processes made the pieces interesting.
>
> and there are certainly other artists who do something accidental on
> purpose without planning at all what will show up on the canvas,
>
>> And one always sees something.
>
> not always
>
>> Those that said this about Picasso did not know the artist,
>> as do all whom appreciate his work, truly know him.
>>
>
> i don't understand what that sentence meant
O.K. Only those that appreciate Picasso's work truly know the artist.
>>
>> >
>> > Nonetheless i am not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
>> > Does light exist?
>> > Do shadows exist.
>> > I don't know
>> > But that's what Picasso probably was painting.
>>
>> The point is that angels probably look similar to the way they are
>> painted,
>> in at least one of their states of being.
>>
>
> unless of course they hadn't been seen at all and are only imagined
To imagine angels is to give them substance; to give them life.
And the world as a race imagines angels with wings, bright auras,
and sometimes musical instruments...and often neutral of gender.
How can a good, perfect God lie? Who would trust him to the degree which
they need to? I admit he seems to lie sometimes...
...but that is usually because some thought of our own
came into play when we merely thought that the word was coming from him.
You talked about "your painting."
marika
Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> There are artists that don't know the first rule of art: that they must
> paint *something.* And *something* implies its existence.
"There are artists" who are like this but not all artists are like that
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> How can he see something that is not there?
> >> >
> >> > I don't know if he did or did not. But it is said that art is the
> >> > representation of light. So he must have seen light.
> >> > It is often said that what Picasso painted is not something that he saw
> >> > and nothing that existed outside of his paitings
> >>
> >> Every painting is seen before it is put on canvas.
> >
> > What about that guy Pollock,
> >
> > he made it clear that the pieces weren't seen before hand but taht they
> > were placed on the canvas through a sort of accident
> > he may have planned the movement in advance but he didn't really see
> > what would be completed before it showed up on the canvas
>
> Sometimes we do things without realizing that we are doing them, and it is
> done by the subconscious. We become kind of like the focal points of a beam
> of light, which focuses through the artist's brush.
>
> So whoever Pollock is, I am sure that he was "onto" some reality before he
> painted it, whether he was fully aware of it or not.
that's certainly not the impression one gets from reading about him,
watching the film about him or even after seeing his pieces
you of course will obviously look at his stuff and say the opposite
because for some reason you are fixated on reality
i am comfortable without it
>
> >
> > that was what made his pieces interesting
>
> Maybe it was the fact that he conceptualized reality so vividly through his
> effortless subconscious processes made the pieces interesting.
not for me but as i said once you see one of his pieces i am sure that
is what you will have to say because that is what you were programmed
to see and understand and how to react.
not everyone will react the way you do.
> >
> > and there are certainly other artists who do something accidental on
> > purpose without planning at all what will show up on the canvas,
> >
> >> And one always sees something.
> >
> > not always
> >
> >> Those that said this about Picasso did not know the artist,
> >> as do all whom appreciate his work, truly know him.
> >>
> >
> > i don't understand what that sentence meant
>
> O.K. Only those that appreciate Picasso's work truly know the artist.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Nonetheless i am not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
> >> > Does light exist?
> >> > Do shadows exist.
> >> > I don't know
> >> > But that's what Picasso probably was painting.
> >>
> >> The point is that angels probably look similar to the way they are
> >> painted,
> >> in at least one of their states of being.
> >>
> >
> > unless of course they hadn't been seen at all and are only imagined
>
> To imagine angels is to give them substance; to give them life.
> And the world as a race imagines angels with wings, bright auras,
> and sometimes musical instruments...and often neutral of gender.
sad, very sad. once again this is your programming that you must have
substance. it's not mine
that's your definition of God. That's not what God is really like.
that's your need to put substance to him
it doesn't exist though
and i don't paint
I've only described in words what my painting was yesterday
primarily because you asked me to reduce it to reality and words that
you could accept and connect with
tomorrow i may no longer have the words for it even, at all. which is
how i started the thread
I did it to indulge you of course, but what I see doesn't have to take
shape and unlike the artist you described in the very beginning of your
thread I have no compulsion to "paint something"
mk5000
"These muscles and ligaments work together to keep the uterus in its
proper
place while allowing it to move and grow during pregnancy.
The uterus is like a bridge suspended by a precise combination of
muscle and ligaments, while at the same time having the ability to
expand and grow without moving from its place."-xyx
marika
marika wrote:
> tomorrow i may no longer have the words for it even, at all. which is
> how i started the thread
>
> I did it to indulge you of course, but what I see doesn't have to take
> shape and unlike the artist you described in the very beginning of your
> thread I have no compulsion to "paint something"
Only to think of her is to disturb her -
How could she be seen by the physical eye?
A sweet dream dissolving eludes the clutch of reason -
Too subtle is she, and outside perception's spectrum.
Language fails, and explanation,
She is beyond, and all tongues speechless.
If poets presume to tell her tale
She brings them all to utter confusion.
Those who seek her cease their search;
What map can trace, what steed will reach her?
But those who burn with love for her
She leads away with blissfulness
Indignant lest her lucid essence
Get mixed up with this cesspit world.--odes of Ibn Arabi called the
Tarjuman al-Ashwaq.
"Perhaps if the Quran described what Dark Matter
or Dark Energy is or the mass of the Higgs particle
I would be compelled to agree it was the work of God.
Without such compelling evidence I have to conclude
it possesses the same mix of truth and falsehood
found in the thousands of other holy books on this
planet."--Brian
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"marika" wrote...
in reply to...
>> >> >> I asked God one time if Jesus looked the way we imagined him, you
>> >> >> know,
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> beard, long hair, and all that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He said yes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why did he lie to you, then?
>> >>
>> >> He never lies.
>> >
>> > he most certainly does and he has a sense of humor too, so sometimes
>> > it's not a lie more like teasing.
>> > but yeah he does too lie
>> > on purpose
>> > sometimes because he's in a bad mood
>> > and he forgets that you might do something stupid because of you
>> > believed him
>> > other times he is just ornery
>> > Did you know that god's favorite movie is three stooges in orbit, have
>> > rocket will travel
>>
>> How can a good, perfect God lie? Who would trust him to the degree which
>> they need to? I admit he seems to lie sometimes...
>> ...but that is usually because some thought of our own
>> came into play when we merely thought that the word was coming from him.
>
> that's your definition of God. That's not what God is really like.
> that's your need to put substance to him
Without substance to God, you cannot touch him.
marika
Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> Without substance to God, you cannot touch him.
that's a sentence uttered by someone who so bound in the material world
that touch has to have a definition, or else.
as noted previously, it's as problematic as defining a pretty lady
mk5000
"hands in the cookie jar."--trouble, jay=z
Art
touchy-feely thing to believe in God? There is so much more to God than all
these human things. Statements like "I talk with God" or "I see God all the
time?" This is the human mind playing games on you...IMHO Why do some
believe they are special and others are not? Do we really live in a world
and have a God that loves one person more than another?
We must be careful what we worship and how we worship. Meaning, "worshiping
a god made in our own image."
This is also true with angels. Even angels have limits. Don't create
angels just to agree with your own beliefs.
Art
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>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>
>> Without substance to God, you cannot touch him.
>
> that's a sentence uttered by someone who so bound in the material world
> that touch has to have a definition, or else.
The material world is all there is. Everything else is a whisp of vapor.
Spiritual things make the material world more real.
>
> as noted previously, it's as problematic as defining a pretty lady
Yes, many perspectives...
Mark Earnest
"Art" wrote...
> Go hug a tree! God is around and within! (IMHO) Why do we need that human
> touchy-feely thing to believe in God? There is so much more to God than
> all
> these human things. Statements like "I talk with God" or "I see God all
> the
> time?"
Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God."
It must therefore be a blessing to see (touch) God.
Art
wrote. How did that answer my questions?
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> He said a lot more shit than only that, at least that's what some writer
> wrote.
*****Yeah, and you know that Abraham Lincoln was a U.S. President because of
something somebody wrote, too...
How did that answer my questions?
*****I did. You said the closest you can get to God is to go hug a tree.
I guarantee you by experience it is not as good to hug a tree as it
is to hug God!
*****Ever hugged Pinocchio?
Art
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Art
>> I guarantee you by experience it is not as good to hug a tree as it
>> is to hug God!
>>
>> *****Ever hugged Pinocchio?
No! but is your nose growing?
Mark Earnest
> Not a hundred years after the fact!
Time makes little difference to facts handed down by written and oral word
throughout the centuries.
People are very, very careful with their antiquities. Did you ever try to
do anything problematic to your grandmother's special photographs?
Proof: You know about Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Ramses, Genghis Kahn, and
even more ancient: Hercules, Perseus....and so on and on...
Mark Earnest
Not since the fairie waved her wand and I was no longer made of wood.
marika
Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> The material world is all there is.
Slava bohu! There is a god!
mk5000
"I got my carrot tank top I got your banked stopped, sofa's on top
Benjamins under the rest of them
Advancing from duplex 2 mansion
Staching keys, hiding g's ova seas, vcr's in my beat"--Hustler's Story,
Notorious B I G
Art
Amassing! they lied about the American Indians and blacks and Vet Nam, but
they got everything else correct? ok whatevernews:12mhq5g...@corp.supernews.com...
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>
> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>
>> The material world is all there is.
>
> Slava bohu! There is a god!
Yes there is.
And he exists...just like all of us who are alive...here in the real world.
Heaven is not a place...it is a state of being.
Mark Earnest
>
> Amassing! they lied about the American Indians and blacks and Vet Nam, but
> they got everything else correct? ok whatever
The historians whose words last through the generations did not lie...they
just did not see it from your perspective.
Art
You are Stupid!
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> Mark,
>
> You are Stupid!
If you have to resort to childishness, I must have you whooped.
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> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:07:07 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>
>>"Art" <a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> You are Stupid!
>>
>>If you have to resort to childishness, I must have you whooped.
>
>
> REAL bad..
Never anything new, is there, Shiva?
Boring.
Di
marika wrote:
> Mark Earnest wrote:
> >
> > The material world is all there is.
>
> Slava bohu! There is a god!
sure is. Just had dinner with her and her bud from Boston.
Art
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> You are real stupid!
I know you are but what am I?
Run away, child.
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> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:56:20 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Never anything new, is there, Shiva?
>>Boring.
> interesting stuff,
*****The angels can see everything that they wish.
your loss.. your choice.. too bad
*****Your the one with a loss. Never say anything creative, never
illustrate anything you say with evidence.
You think there is a cycle of birth and rebirth, followed by
some ridiculous sounding "5D," that defies all logic and clear thinking.
That is hopelessness.
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Mark Earnest wrote:
>
> *****Your the one with a loss. Never say anything creative, never
> illustrate anything you say with evidence.
> You think there is a cycle of birth and rebirth, followed by
> some ridiculous sounding "5D," that defies all logic and clear thinking.
There's nothing logical or clear about the way that god's mind works.
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> Mark Earnest wrote:
>
>>
>> *****Your the one with a loss. Never say anything creative, never
>> illustrate anything you say with evidence.
>> You think there is a cycle of birth and rebirth, followed by
>> some ridiculous sounding "5D," that defies all logic and clear thinking.
>
> There's nothing logical or clear about the way that god's mind works.
Sure there is. God's mind is the most crystal clear, logically orderly
existance there is.
Touch God and you will see.
Art
There we go with the 3-D thinking again...
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>
> There we go with the 3-D thinking again...
Length, width and height.
There is nothing else!
Art
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> In your world only!
This is the world.