NA is as much of a Cult as AA

[Ex-12step.CULT....@myplace.com]

If you want to quit using drugs, DONT go to NA. NA is just a religion
that wants to brainwash you into their religion.

[Richard Catto]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:41:27 AM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> If you want to quit using drugs, DONT go to NA. NA is just a religion
> that wants to brainwash you into their religion.

Well, as a religion / cult, NA, AA (et al) is a pretty good one actually. If this particular brand of religion took over the world, it would probably be a better world because the 12 step program encourages a much more positive, non-judgemental, supportive and optimistic approach to life than any other religion currently in existence.

Most religious organisations are comprised of people who are pretty judgemental about people who have been brought to their knees by consumption of drugs and alcohol.

Most of the general population is not particularly inclined to be interested in helping or supporting people whose lives are in ruins.

NA / AA is the one place you can go to to get help and support for drug / alcohol addiction without being judged into the ground.

If you're willing to give yourself a second chance, NA / AA is also.

Most people aren't prepared to give drug users / alcoholics a second chance.

NA / AA is there to help you, no matter how many times you've failed before.

If that makes it a cult, I'll take it.

[Turin Turambar]

On Monday, April 30, 2012 11:00:14 PM UTC-4, Richard Catto wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:41:27 AM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> > If you want to quit using drugs, DONT go to NA. NA is just a
> > religion that wants to brainwash you into their religion.
>
> Well, as a religion / cult, NA, AA (et al) is a pretty good one
> actually. If this particular brand of religion took over the
> world, it would probably be a better world because the 12 step
> program encourages a much more positive, non-judgemental,
> supportive and optimistic approach to life than any other religion
> currently in existence.

"And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

∼∼∼ Luke 12:4 ☞ Luke 12:5 The Word of God ∽∽∽


"Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?"

∼∼∼ Matthew 6:25 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> Most religious organisations are comprised of people who are
> pretty judgemental about people who have been brought to their
> knees by consumption of drugs and alcohol.

"Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."

∼∼∼ Luke 17:3 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> Most of the general population is not particularly inclined to be
> interested in helping or supporting people whose lives are in
> ruins.

"And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."

∼∼∼ Mark 5:2 ☛ Mark 5:6 ☞ Mark 5:15 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> NA / AA is the one place you can go to to get help and support for
> drug / alcohol addiction without being judged into the ground.

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

∼∼∼ John 3:20 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> If you're willing to give yourself a second chance, NA / AA is
> also.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

∼∼∼ Matthew 11:28 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> Most people aren't prepared to give drug users / alcoholics a
> second chance.

"Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house."

∼∼∼ Proverbs 6:30 ☛ Proverbs 6:31 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> NA / AA is there to help you, no matter how many times you've
> failed before.

"And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,"

∼∼∼ Mark 5:25 ☛ Mark 5:26 The Word of God ∽∽∽

> If that makes it a cult, I'll take it.

"For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men."

∼∽∼∽⚘∼∽ Jeremiah 5:26 The Word of God ∼∽⚘∼∽∼∽



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This has been another enlightening moment, with:

Turin


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[Richard Catto]

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 11:14:43 PM UTC+2, Turin Turambar wrote:
> This has been another enlightening moment, with:

1) no, it was just a bunch of religious twaddle with no relevance to the topic of recovery from addiction.

2) jesus did not have anything to say about recovery from addiction. anything you quote of him on this subject would be implied or interpreted, but since jesus never directly addressed drug use, we don't know what his views were. for all we know, jesus was pro addiction and smoked weed and opium on a regular basis.

3) there a more modern translations of the bible to quote from, which would make for easier reading.

4) NA is not a religious group and bringing religion into the discussion is unhelpful.

[toto]

Hiya all

everybody should applicate these scriptures
19 And we have the word of
prophecy made more sure;
3 seeing that his divine power hath granted unto
us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of
him that called us by his own glory and virtue;
7 and in your godliness
brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
6 and in your
knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your
patience godliness;
14 knowing that the putting off of my tabernacle cometh
swiftly, even as our Lord Jesus Christ signified unto me.
20 knowing this
first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
for if
ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:
Simon Peter, a servant and
apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith
with us in the righteousness of our God and the Saviour
5 Yea, and for this
very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue;

that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having
escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.
and in your
virtue knowledge;
11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the
entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
7
and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness
love.

Thanks