ask it basket questions
NVR ALNE
Hi family,
We are doing an ask it basket meeting for our group anniversary next
tuesday...
The Basic Group of Narcotics Anonymous in Montgomery, Alabama
Would love to get some input from the onliners.
An ask it basket meeting, for those who dont know, is one were you put
slogans and sayings from the text on little pieces of paper and put them
in a basket. You then call on members to come up and take a peace and
read it, then share on that topic.
In loving service,
Kermit O nvr...@aol.com
peace
Dan Johnson
I've got one for you. "Strive to understand, not to be understood". It's
one of my favorite lines from the text.
Dan
xy...@ix.netcom.com
"Dan Johnson" <daniel..johnson@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Dan
Derek, you're quoting from a Christian prayer. The Guardians might
get after you for this.
Reese
Dan Johnson
Who you calling derek?
I'm quoting (paraphrasing) from the text of the eighth step (by the time we
reach this step, we are ready to understand, rather than to be understood).
BTW, the steps were derived from the bible, so what is the big deal?
Dan
xy...@ix.netcom.com wrote in article <4vjk38$b...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>...
Brian G
The big deal is that our text states that our clearly states or infers
in multiple locations that an endorsement of any particular religion
or philosophy would be a violation of our Traditions and a restriction
on individuals' freedom to have a HP of their own understanding.
BTW, what is your evidence for suggesting that "the steps were derived
from the bible"?
Dan Johnson
Brian,
Oh, I don't disagree with what you said. I was accused of quoting some
religious text, when in fact, I had been quoting the basic text. What
proof do I have? Read the bible. Or, if you are loath to do that, then go
find one of those little handouts at the local bible book store that shows
the 12 steps in scripture (it includes chapter and verse).
There is nothing new under the sun, not even the steps. So, I'll leave it
at that and not rag on you for arguing with me out of context.
Dan
Brian G <bri...@dca.net> wrote in article <4vo9vi$9...@news.dca.net>...
xy...@ix.netcom.com
bri...@dca.net (Brian G) wrote:
>The big deal is that our text states that our clearly states or infers
>in multiple locations that an endorsement of any particular religion
>or philosophy would be a violation of our Traditions and a restriction
>on individuals' freedom to have a HP of their own understanding.
I agree with you 100%. But I think it's OK if we bash particular
religions, even if we're renting space from them and wouldn't have
many places to meet without them. A lot of us are up in the spiritual
highlands and we can clearly see where a certain nameless religion is
bogus and that we are more advanced. I am grateful that we are under
no obligation to be open minded about certain things.
>BTW, what is your evidence for suggesting that "the steps were derived
>from the bible"?
I wonder about this myself.
Reese
CSteiner
On Aug 25, 1996 07:31:50 in article <Re: ask it basket questions>,
'xy...@ix.netcom.com' wrote:
>bri...@dca.net (Brian G) wrote:
>
>>The big deal is that our text states that our clearly states or infers
>>in multiple locations that an endorsement of any particular religion
>>or philosophy would be a violation of our Traditions and a restriction
>>on individuals' freedom to have a HP of their own understanding.
>
>I agree with you 100%. But I think it's OK if we bash particular
>religions, even if we're renting space from them and wouldn't have
>many places to meet without them. A lot of us are up in the spiritual
>highlands and we can clearly see where a certain nameless religion is
>bogus and that we are more advanced. I am grateful that we are under
>no obligation to be open minded about certain things.
you, you spiritual giant you?
NVR ALNE
DEAR REESE,
WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE ARE YOU???
It is sad, that when I ask for experience strength and hope from the
fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous (the one that saved my life ,and
hopefully yours), my screen is completely waisted with your drivel... and
sad to say, that of the poor souls who waist there time discussing such
drivel with you.
Narcotics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues, but we do have
opinions on addicts that shit where they are eating.... and, sad to say,
your shit is everwere and it stinks. Who the hell do you think you are
playing games using Jimmy Kennons name. The man spent some 40 years of
his life giving to this fellowship, so you could have a meeting to go to
(and the best you can come up with is pissing others off, using Jimmy for
your humor). Whats the point! Do you realy think you are saving the rest
of us from the demons of tradition violators out there.... get a grip son,
we were doing that 12 years ago... the fellowship will do just fine with
out you as its pesonal savior...
If this offends you, good... it should... you are stepping on your fellows
toes and they retaliated. Call your sponsor... better yet, if you realy
are interested in your recovery, print this letter and read it out loud to
him.
Narcotics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues, lest problems of
money, property or PRESTIGE divert us from our primary purpose. Instead
of getting some recovery from my question... all I got was your prestige.
In not so loving service,
Kermit O.
ps dont even think about sending me a message... I wouldnt give it the
time of day.
Brian G
Dan,
Thanks for responding....
Please don't take it that I was arguing with you, or that I did not
understand the context. I read your initial post and the original
reponse from Reese...
In reference to your "proof", I have read parts of "The Bible", as
well as "The 12 Steps: A Spiritual Journey" {which lists the 12 steps
with a biblical reference for each}, and I certainly would not
disagree that the principles espoused in the 12 Steps are also found
in the Bible.....
I would suggest to you that you look into some other religious and
cultural literature to learn that "The Bible" contains teachings that
were prevalent previously in other religions, cultures and literatures
...... but I would not state that it is "derived" from them.
Please, no offense intended....if you are a believer that "The Bible"
is the literal word of "the one and only true and living GOD", and
thus nothing predates it, or influences it, or is true that
contradicts it, then forgive me...it is not my intention to challenge
your beliefs. I'll just agree that "there is nothing new under the
sun, not even the bible" and let it go at that....
That the 12 Steps are divinely inspired is obvious to me and proven by
my experience. The grace of the NA program is the teaching; that
whatever that divinity is called, and where it is derived from, and
how it is honored/worshiped, and how it manifests itself in our lives
is the absolute right and responsibility of each of us individually,
and that our further responsibility is to respect that right for each
of us. I thank my HP for that grace, daily....
"Dan Johnson" <daniel..johnson@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Brian,
>Oh, I don't disagree with what you said. I was accused of quoting some
>religious text, when in fact, I had been quoting the basic text. What
>proof do I have? Read the bible. Or, if you are loath to do that, then go
>find one of those little handouts at the local bible book store that shows
>the 12 steps in scripture (it includes chapter and verse).
>There is nothing new under the sun, not even the steps. So, I'll leave it
>at that and not rag on you for arguing with me out of context.
>Dan
>Brian G <bri...@dca.net> wrote in article <4vo9vi$9...@news.dca.net>...
>> The big deal is that our text states that our clearly states or infers
>> in multiple locations that an endorsement of any particular religion
>> or philosophy would be a violation of our Traditions and a restriction
>> on individuals' freedom to have a HP of their own understanding.
>>
>> BTW, what is your evidence for suggesting that "the steps were derived
>> from the bible"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
xy...@ix.netcom.com
nvr...@aol.com (NVR ALNE) wrote:
>DEAR REESE,
>WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE ARE YOU???
<SNIP>
>If this offends you, good... it should...
But it didn't.
>you are stepping on your fellows
>toes and they retaliated. Call your sponsor... better yet, if you realy
>are interested in your recovery, print this letter and read it out loud to
>him.
I ain't got to print it and read it out loud to him: my sponsor reads
this newsgroup.
>Narcotics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues, lest problems of
>money, property or PRESTIGE divert us from our primary purpose. Instead
>of getting some recovery from my question... all I got was your prestige.
My prestige? You mean I've got some?
>In not so loving service,
>Kermit O.
>ps dont even think about sending me a message... I wouldnt give it the
>time of day.
You've got to be kidding. You must think I follow the tradition of
the Guardians and send email to the people who disagree with me and
try to butter them up. Nope, I don't do that.
Reese
Dan Johnson
Hi Brian,
Thanks for writing back. I don't much care where they came from, I'm just
glad that the steps are here. I am well aware of the various spiritual
cultures around the globe, and am also aware that compared with some of the
others, christianity is a pup religion. I thank you for your comments and
agree more often than not. But, you will admit that the originators of the
other fellowhsip were entrenched in the pup religion mentioned above.
Regardless, no hard feelings.
Just For Today,
Dan
> Please don't take it that I was arguing with you, or that I did not
> understand the context. I read your initial post and the original
> reponse from Reese...
He can