More on the clarity statement
JONNY F__KERFASTER
> >> The very last sentence (BEFORE THE INDEX) READS: " "Don't pick the
first
> >> DrinK OR drug go to meeting, work the steps."
> >
> >yeah, personal stories and shit...
> >one of the primary culprits in the confusion.
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> >> Even tho we don't separate drugs It says it right there.
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> >
> >see?
> >see?
> >see?
> >SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE??????????????
> >
> >> I was anything but sober when I was shooting speed.
> >>
> >> If someone corrects anybody sighting the traditions....get them to show
> you
> >> the tradition.
> >> "The only requirement for MEMBERSHIP IS THE DESIRE to stop using"
> >
> >using what?
> >drugs
> >alcohol is a drug
> >
> >aa and na traditions differ...
> >it takes some longer to realize that.
> >the steps are different, too..
> >it takes some longer to realize that, too.
> >
> >distinct fellowships and shit.
>
> We still get E V E R Y T H I N G From them.
> And exactly How are they different?
> (I know just wonder if you do)
okay..
follow the bouncing ball..
apples anonymous and fruit anonymous...
still wondering?
I'm not wondering.
I am different than you.
You have control issues.
You want to participate in the control of what people do or say.
Me on the other hand don't want to control you or others. I just don't want
to be controlled. That's boundries issues.
It's enough for some to share in meetings with out anguishing over their
choice of words. It's stupid for the controllers to try to control other
people.
You are powerless over.
A meeting.......An entire area should be able to run itself with the Basic
text
as it's sole piece of liturature. It CAN!
No-Where does it say any thing about politically correct language that
people use in meetings.
No where.
NA is dwindling because of people like you.
Honesty, open mindedness, and willingness.
You don't like the last sentence in the book because it doesn't suit your
purpose. Which is to continue a "justified resentment" against AA.
So, you are being close minded, your carrying an age old resentment toward
the organization that gave us our entire program, and you're. trying to
control things that you can't control.
The only people I know supporting the clarity statement in our area are
running people away from NA.
If you are A WSC junkie....It's time for you to move on.
fke
)
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> okay..
> follow the bouncing ball..
> apples anonymous and fruit anonymous...
> still wondering?
>
> I'm not wondering.
> I am different than you.
if youre an alcoholic you may not be different
than me....
the difference is in our approach..
rather than focusing on abstinence from one specific
substance, i choose to believe that it's about
all mind and mood altering substances...
> You have control issues.
well, hold me back.
> You want to participate in the control of what people do or say.
would you cite that specific language for me?
you know, the language i posted that i want to control what
people say...
you dont like what i have to say and then point your finger
in the "control issue" direction...
it's an easy way to end the debate...
we were talking about perspective...
alcohol = banana
drugs = fruit
the thread had nothing about what people say did it?
>
> Me on the other hand don't want to control you or others. I just don't want
> to be controlled. That's boundries issues.
>
> It's enough for some to share in meetings with out anguishing over their
> choice of words. It's stupid for the controllers to try to control other
> people.
> You are powerless over.
> A meeting.......An entire area should be able to run itself with the Basic
> text
> as it's sole piece of liturature. It CAN!
> No-Where does it say any thing about politically correct language that
> people use in meetings.
> No where.
>
> NA is dwindling because of people like you.
are you one of those that gives me that much power?
if so, maybe it's on you and not me.
im not that powerful dude..
but you sure seem to think i have a lot of power....
moreover, youre accusing me of shit we havent even discussed..
maybe na dwindles equally because of all the assumptions
people make about others..
or possibly it dwindles because some people want NA to
be about everyfuckingthing under the sun rather than
a simple program of recovery from addiction....
beats the hell outta me...
i dont care what people share or how they share...
im not unclear about what i believe about certain
things...
particularly the difference between NA and AA's
first step
first tradition
third tradition
fifth tradition
one day you may see the difference
one day you may not..
dont use no matter what
>
> Honesty, open mindedness, and willingness.
> You don't like the last sentence in the book because it doesn't suit your
> purpose. Which is to continue a "justified resentment" against AA.
i dont have a resentment against AA...
you seem to have one against me....
that would be more in keeping with the propensity to
let one little line in a book cause a full blown resentment..
hell, you dont even know me and youre mixing it up
with me on day three.
> So, you are being close minded, your carrying an age old resentment toward
> the organization that gave us our entire program
AA helped us form a god given program.
>and you're. trying to
> control things that you can't control.
> The only people I know supporting the clarity statement in our area are
> running people away from NA.
maybe youre confused about my opinion of the clarity statement.
maybe im confused about who youre talking to.
> If you are A WSC junkie....It's time for you to move on.
im an addict who finds recovery through the
twelve steps and traditions of NA, jonny...
you?
JONNY F__KERFASTER
jonny writes:
>>> So, you are being close minded, your carrying an age old resentment
toward
>>> the organization that gave us our entire program
>>
>>AA helped us form a god given program.
>
>This always cracks me up.
then jonny retorts:
Yeah...............makes me wanna puke................
Sorry about the rant.
The Dam problem is I always get wrapped up in this "clarity Statement"
bidness
It's not this fke Character ...lemme
see......fke....fke...........uh.........short for
fake?
This is a me thing.
sorry fke...........................................i'm an asshole.
go ahead.....ramrod the damn clarity statement
through.........................
It'll give me something more to complain about.
As long as the shit don't roll down hill.............
If the bulk of NA....The members...then the groups...then the areas...then
the regions...and finally the wsc ...........................
You give the controllers...NA Nazis..the language police..etc more power
Na will keep on dwindling and dwindling and dwindling
and dwindling and dwindling and it'll end up just like C.A.
NA is dieing in my city it's the NA Nazis..the language police..etc
AA has become more moderate...more tolerent.........
jonny
You show me a dog with it's left front paw nailed to the floor.....
and I'll show you a dog that spends the rest of his life howling...and....
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walking in counter -clock-wise circles
-------(jonny f__kerfaster 1968)
>"Why hate someone for the color of their skin when there
>are much better reasons to hate them."
> --- Denis Leary
Cindy
Snip the drivel,
Jonny, are you an idiot?
fke ...
clarity
Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:05 AM
"...there are many reasons i dont support the clarity
statement...
the primary reason is that it violates the sixth
tradition.
approving the statement for fellowship use would
also have incorporated the word "sober" into approved
na literature..
paradox...
dont say "fuck"
know what i mean?
there used to be a sign in one of our meeting rooms...
it had the word "sober" in the int'l circle with
a slash through it...
a negative endorsement.
im glad people are sober
im glad they are clean
im glad they are fasting or whatever..
im glad they are anda this anda that..
wassa matta you?
do any of the words mean, "recovering""
So, what are you picking on him about??
I think he's a pretty good guy.
You on the other hand are an Idiot.
Who in the heck has a name like Jonny F__kerfaster?
Cindy Settles
Abilene Texas
Reese
<JO...@ERFASTER.net> wrote:
>go ahead.....ramrod the damn clarity statement
>through.........................
They've given up on the clarity statement in the town I live in.
>It'll give me something more to complain about.
>As long as the shit don't roll down hill.............
>If the bulk of NA....The members...then the groups...then the areas...then
>the regions...and finally the wsc ...........................
>
>You give the controllers...NA Nazis..the language police..etc more power
>
>Na will keep on dwindling and dwindling and dwindling
>and dwindling and dwindling and it'll end up just like C.A.
>
>NA is dieing in my city it's the NA Nazis..the language police..etc
I ain't real sure that NA can survive in places where it's much more
than a branch of AA. The prospects don't look so good.
Reese
remove all of the 3's to reply
doc
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> So, what are you picking on him about??
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> I think he's a pretty good guy.
> Cindy Settles
> Abilene Texas
Snip
Well send him some fan mail!
He likes it!
Doc
fke
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> On 11 Jun 1999 10:58:30 GMT, fke <msj...@nantucket.net> wrote:
>
> >> So, you are being close minded, your carrying an age old resentment toward
> >> the organization that gave us our entire program
> >
>
oh alright..
there was a big bang and then there was aa
sheesh and shit
or maybe aa's made of clay or something.
fke
you recover in..
real sure and shit.
peace and love, too.
really surely madly deeply
JONNY F__KERFASTER
Cindy wrote in message ...
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>Snip the drivel,
>Jonny, are you an idiot?
>
>fke ...
>clarity
>Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:05 AM
>
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>"...there are many reasons i dont support the clarity
>statement...
>the primary reason is that it violates the sixth
>tradition.
OK, fke is several people
The truth is.......... My deal with the clarity statement idn't about ol'
fke.
It's about me...............
nevermind fke
andy
damian wrote:
> "JONNY F__KERFASTER" wrote:
>
> >The Dam problem is I always get wrapped up in this "clarity Statement"
> >bidness
>
> The Dam problem is one too many black bean and shrimp burritos last
> night, actually.
>
> ps, I think it might be the overly large amounts of agria I was
> slopping on them though. agria is Mexican sour cream, and it's not
> like the crap American cream.
It's all about bacon, man.