The 12-steps are a thinly disguised religious conversion cult

[E...@exterminate_aa.org]

The 12-steps are a thinly disguised religious conversion cult, posing as
a treatment program for any and all alleged addictions...drugs, alcohol,
sex, overeating, overspending, gambling and several other alleged
"spiritual diseases", that in reality are poor personal choices.

To the oft pronounced..."its spiritual, not religious", mantra mouthed
by all 12-steppers is, in a word, bullshit.

Six of the 12-steps mention God or Him. Every meeting I've ever had the
personal misfortune to attend closes with the Lords Prayer, a
specifically Christian prayer that has nothing what so ever to do with
spirituality, or God as you understand him. And for the steppers who
promote the fiction that God or your Higher Power can be anything from a
doorknob to a bedpan...please! Read the available history on the
12-steps and its antecedents.

History clearly shows AA as having been birthed by the protestant piety
and temperance movements of the mid 1800s that produced The
Washingtonians and other religiously inspired total abstinence
movements.

AA is an analogue of these former specifically religious, total
abstinence groups, and the God they so often refer to is the triune God,
and none other. God as they understand him is Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit...the protestant version, of course.

The protestant piety and temperance movement; whatever else their
accomplishments may have been; have brought us two present day problems
from their religiously afflicted intentions to intervene in other
peoples business. Prohibition, and the rise of organized crime, and
today's never ending war on drugs, and poor people...both spectacular
successes!

AA and all its other incarnations get by on the uncritical goodwill of
an uninformed public that knows nothing of the true nature of
addictions, and the non 12-step measures that can be taken to end or
reduce them without meetings, moral inventories, and 24 hour reprieves
from your higher power...in perpetuity.

What most people fail to realize is the 12-steps are about the
perpetuation of the 12-steps...nothing more! Nowhere in their literature
is it ever mentioned that you can ever end an addiction to anything. The
best you can ever hope to do is switch it to the program.

This, and all their other fallacious assertions clearly don't square
with what's presently known scientifically about addiction, and a
persons demonstrated ability to end it, or contain the harmful aspects
of addiction without needless membership in a religious conversion cult.

In closing, I'm always amazed by the insipid responses 12-steppers make
to any perceived attack on their overwrought, overweening, attachment to
this disaster of a "self help" program.

As evidenced by a couple of the above examples, so defensive and
accusatory...just like their brothers in the fundamentalist/evangelical
alternative universe.

Some people like to think for themselves, and take direct action to deal
with their afflictions, while others cannot wait to be subsumed by the
purveyors of personal powerlessness...seeking the false and detrimental
comfort of having a non-existent "spiritual disease" that somehow
absolves you of any personal responsibility for your own bad personal
choices.

Grow up...addiction is a conscious personal choice that often has tragic
outcomes, not an uncontrollable "spiritual disease" cured on a 24 hour
basis...decide to stop being a spectator at your own downfall and help
yourself.



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[frnkln...@gmail.com]

Holy crap dude I read some of your entrees I have to say wow just wow but if this keeps you sober more power to you

[Dexter]

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Read more. You'll find he isn't sober and he /is/ a zealot.

--
"The most unsettling aspect of my atheism for Christians is
when they realize that their Bible has no power to make me
wince. They are used to using it like a cattle prod to get
people to cower into compliance." - Author unknown

[ex_aa_...@leave-the-aa-cult.com]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 21:35:51 -0800 (PST), frnkln...@gmail.com wrote:

>> The 12-steps are a thinly disguised religious conversion cult, posing as
>> a treatment program for any and all alleged addictions...drugs, alcohol,
>> sex, overeating, overspending, gambling and several other alleged
>> "spiritual diseases", that in reality are poor personal choices.
>>
>> To the oft pronounced..."its spiritual, not religious", mantra mouthed
>> by all 12-steppers is, in a word, bullshit.
>>
>> Six of the 12-steps mention God or Him. Every meeting I've ever had the
>> personal misfortune to attend closes with the Lords Prayer, a
>> specifically Christian prayer that has nothing what so ever to do with
>> spirituality, or God as you understand him. And for the steppers who
>> promote the fiction that God or your Higher Power can be anything from a
>> doorknob to a bedpan...please! Read the available history on the
>> 12-steps and its antecedents.
>>
>> History clearly shows AA as having been birthed by the protestant piety
>> and temperance movements of the mid 1800s that produced The
>> Washingtonians and other religiously inspired total abstinence
>> movements.

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This is an excellent article with lots of truth. Thank you for posting
it.

AA would be a much better program if God was removed, but then there
would only be one step, the first step.

I have said for years that AA is nothing more than an extremist
religious cult. It has little to do with alcoholism (or drugs NA,
overeating OA, etc)

The only people who stay in AA more than 6 months or so, are gullible
religious whackos who have been hiding in a closet. In my opinion, AA
does more harm than good. They offer no down to earth help for the
addict, all they offer is the God bullshitm which is like telling kids
to behave if they want Santa claus to give them gifts.

From personal experience, I can say that AA is a severely fucked up
program. We need a REAL self help group in America (and worldwide).
There needs to be a meeting place in every city and town, but that may
take years to establish. AA will soon go on a crash and burn spiral.
More and more people are learning the TRUTH about the AA cult.

Lets REMOVE GOD from AA and other 12 step programs!