Orange's website have a name?
stuart
faceless.
Yellow Belly I guess...
Orange
Isn't it called "Alcoholics Anonymous"?
Are you saying that anonymity is a bad thing?
* Agent Orange *
* ora...@orange-papers.org *
* AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
* http://www.orange-papers.org/ *
** Gandalf said, "The little orks don't like
** humor. They cringe in pain at the sound of
** laughter. And they really can't stand it when
** you poke fun at them. So they howl and growl
** and scowl and get all bent out of shape."
stuart
"Orange" <orange...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130426497.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Come now Stuart,
> Isn't it called "Alcoholics Anonymous"?
>
> Are you saying that anonymity is a bad thing?
stuart
"Orange" <orange...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130426497.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Isn't it called "Alcoholics Anonymous"?
>
> Are you saying that anonymity is a bad thing?
A man's opinion means very little unless he can stand behind it, personally.
It would appear to me that you can't. Here on usenet I can understand, but
to have a complete website that you personally cannot endorse, well who is
going to take you seriously?
You are no different from the graffiti artist in the men's room.
Virtualoso
> "Orange" <orange...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130426497.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Come now Stuart,
> > Isn't it called "Alcoholics Anonymous"?
> >
> > Are you saying that anonymity is a bad thing?
>
> A man's opinion means very little unless he can stand behind it, personally.
> It would appear to me that you can't. Here on usenet I can understand, but
> to have a complete website that you personally cannot endorse, well who is
> going to take you seriously?
> You are no different from the graffiti artist in the men's room.
There's only a tiny handful of folks that take that kind of crank
internet stuff seriously. They huddle together in little clatches
online perpetually and groupthink together. Or they occasionally sally
forth and attempt to promote their psychotic websites or out of print
self published books.
Peculiar bunch.
_HERE@yahoo.com somebody
dude for some one who is so pro "AA" & appears to think it needs protecting
your not following its steps traditions & principals
we cannot afford the luxury of resentment's steps 6&7
so with your actions of your resentment you are breaking tradition 1
asking people to sign they're web page your asking them to break trad. 11
the best one yet is
There is a Principal which is a bar against
all information , which cannot fail to keep
a man in everlasting ignorance...
--------------------------------------------------------
That principal is contempt prior to investigation
Herbert Spencer
if you cross reference oranges sight you will find all he has posted to be
true and since the majority of what AA is , is taken from the bible &
religions lets use
"the truth shall set you free"
did you also know that most of the people who run aaws are not AA's
they are paid cause the people in AA dont want to follow the traditions
which they all talk about
7. Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside
contributions.
9. A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards
or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
my favorite
8. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our
service centers may employ special workers.
yeah
special workers = lawyers to sue its own members & pay a bunch of people to
complain they need more $ to get a bigger office & more literature that
ends up in the garbage because most of it is given to people sent by some
other organization (courts & treatment centers)
AA is on the way to be washed out like all the other organizations &
temperance societies before them
you want to whine & bitch at me do it here i will not give my name & email
either chances are i won't see it cause im not obsessed with this sight
i just find it amusing to read here occasionally
if you dont like what you read here go away
stuart
somebody <NOBODY-IS _HE...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:za-dncM9SMyCi_ne...@comcast.com...
> Stuart wrote:
>
> > Not affiliated with any organization, business, or individual. Totally
> > faceless.
> >
> > Yellow Belly I guess...
>
> dude for some one who is so pro "AA" & appears to think it needs
protecting
> your not following its steps traditions & principals
But I am not "protecting aa" or anything else. Nor does this have anything
to do with steps, traditions or principles, other than the principle that if
a man has an opinion that's worth standing behind, he puts his name on it.
Otherwise you are just an internet crank and nothing more.
None of the above is being debated here. Who is he?
Virtualoso
_HE...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dude for some one who is so pro "AA" & appears to think it needs protecting
> your not following its steps traditions & principals . . .
Doncha' just love it when folks try the ploy of pretending to hold
other people to something they skew and don't do themselves?
stuart
Virtualoso <n...@dot.com> wrote in message
news:291020052110166969%n...@dot.com...
Well the dunb irony is I wasn't holding out as what they suggest I was
holding out. The issue is whether a real man stands behind what he says.
This Orange obviously doesn't, so what he says basically means nothing.
Orange
> The issue is whether a real man stands behind what he says.
Oh really, Stuart. It's very funny that you would go on such a tirade
about
identities, considering how many phony ones you've used.
The last time you emailed me, you claimed to be just a poor, victimized
chiropractor
in Canada whose good name was being besmirched by a crazy identity
thief who was
posting insane things to the Internet in your name.
The first time you emailed me, you claimed to be:
>> Stuart Hyderman BPHE MSc MD
You are not an "MD", not unless "MD" means "Muscular Dislocator".
You seem to be a chiropractor who claims to be an expert on recovery
from alcoholism, and many other things too.
What you didn't realize is that I am the kind of techno-geek who loves
details,
so I keep full headers on email turned on. I get all of those gory
details at
the top of every email that tells me all kind of things, including what
computers
the email came from. And guess what? Both messages came from the same
computer,
and the same email account, "hyde...@telusplanet.net", in Edmonton,
Alberta, Canada.
So I wasn't fooled by your act.
And then you've used plenty of other identities while handing out your
opinion on
every subject from recovery from alcohol to schizophrenia to politics
to flying an
airplane:
"fred flintstone" <duke...@home.com>
"fred" <duke...@home.com>
"fr...@outerspace.jetsons"
"Stuart" <duke...@home.com>
Like in:
> stuart Aug 20 2001, 8:11 pm
> Newsgroups: alt.recovery.from-12-steps
> From: "stuart" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:11:48 GMT
> Local: Mon, Aug 20 2001 8:11 pm
> Subject: Joke
> >>
> >> Lemme tellya, here in Alberta, it is customary for motorists to NEVER
> >> actually stop at stops signs.
> Aug 3 2001, 1:55 pm
> From: "stuart" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:55:24 GMT
> Local: Fri, Aug 3 2001 1:55 pm
> Subject: 12 steppers-leave!
> >>
> >> Let's all of us 12-step guys leave this newsgroup. The only posts I will
> >> make (unless Davy or Stumpy answers this post) will be to remind all AApers
> >> to be gentlemen and leave. Lets watch this group go dead..
Oh, Stuart, if only you had followed your own advice, and gone away.
> fred flintstone Jan 4 2002, 9:00 pm
> Newsgroups: alt.recovery.from-12-steps
> From: "fred flintstone" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:55:38 GMT
> Local: Fri, Jan 4 2002 8:55 pm
> Subject: Re: Canadian court cases?
> >>
> >> "Tim Browne" <u...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1020102224212.7136A-100000@vtn1...
> >> > Several sites on the net list court cases in the US which show 12
> >> > (goose)step programs to be unConsitutional. Are there any similar cases
> >> > which have happened in Canada, and if so, where can I find reference to
> >> > them? L8r.
> >>
> >> I think you meant to say 'forced attendance' at said programs did you not?
> >> The 12 step programs themselves are as constitutional as can be, in either
> >> country.
> >>
> >> "America, Love it or Leave It"
And for the sick schizophrenics, "Dr. Stuart" has the following free
medical advice:
> stuart Aug 11 2001, 1:55 pm
> Newsgroups: alt.recovery.aa
> From: "stuart" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:55:57 GMT
> Local: Sat, Aug 11 2001 1:55 pm
> Subject: Re: DAY SIX
> >>
> >> "Nick" <nick@NO_SPAMthefaces.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:9l4063$gu6$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> > Funny, today's been the worst so far. I started takinh fluoxnal which the
> >> > doc gave me to combat the anxiety and depression and I felt really fucking
> >> > depressed! And shaky- had to walk round the kitchen like a fucking crab!
> >> > Now it's 8 pm and I feel ok, just.
> >> ...
> >> > Thanks for listening.
> >>
> >> Meeting meeting meeting, like today?
And then Stuart tells us that Eric Clapton has given him special
permission to
out Eric as an alcoholic in recovery, and break his anonymity:
> stuart May 2 2001, 5:59 pm
> Newsgroups: alt.recovery.from-12-steps
> From: "stuart" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 01:56:46 GMT
> Local: Wed, May 2 2001 5:56 pm
> Subject: Re: Vaillant
> >>
> >> "STAAMPFA" <STAAM...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:S_ZH6.3322$2U.8...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com...
> >> > Apparently he's powerless over other groupers having little regard for
> >> > his anonymity as well.
> >>
> >> He is not. He has given me, among others permission. That's the premise
> >> behind the AA anonymity tradition. "Do not divulge the identity of others
> >> *without their permission*."
> >> Once again, your understanding of AA principles is incomplete. The anonymity
> >> tradition refers to anyone getting on TV and telling the world they are a
> >> member. and identifying *themselves* by first and last name.
But really, my all-time favorite 'Stuart' post is this one,
where he tells the world how he flies his airplane:
> stuart May 19 2001, 4:11 am
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
> From: "stuart" <duke...@home.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:11:43 GMT
> Local: Sat, May 19 2001 4:11 am
> Subject: Re: Why do Pilots Say Things Like This?
>
> >> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spam...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> >> > But if you've had a few drinks, you'll find it a lot easier to move around the
> >> > cabin during turbulence (or on a train in north america which is equivalent to
> >> > a plane constantly under turbulence). I know it is totally illogical, but it
> >> > seesm to work.
> >>
> >> Same reason I'm such a great pilot after six or seven doubles:)
Oh well, have a happy Halloween anyway, even if you should maybe just
stay out of the air over Edmunton tonight.
Craig S.
news:5_78f.57734$S4.25406@edtnps84...
>
> "Orange" <orange...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1130426497.8...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Come now Stuart,
> > Isn't it called "Alcoholics Anonymous"?
> >
> > Are you saying that anonymity is a bad thing?
>
> A man's opinion means very little unless he can stand behind it,
personally.
> It would appear to me that you can't. Here on usenet I can understand, but
> to have a complete website that you personally cannot endorse, well who is
> going to take you seriously?
> You are no different from the graffiti artist in the men's room.
Maybe Agent Orange fears for his life. Perhaps he's afraid the big, bad AA
Posse would hunt him down and kill him for exposing the "truth" if the loyal
sheeple were able to learn his true identity. Hiding out does have a
different feel than anonymity. The latter at least has the potential of
nobility attached to it.
Orange
>> Perhaps he's afraid the big, bad AA Posse would hunt him
>> down and kill him for exposing the "truth" if the loyal sheeple
>> were able to learn his true identity. "
Gee, considering the fact that some arsonist torched Charles Bufe's
garage last year, and destroyed most of his files on Alcoholics
Anonymous, that just might not be totally paranoid.
As I'm sure you must know, Charles Bufe wrote the first good expose
of A.A., called "Alcoholics Anonymous, Cult or Cure?"
Quite a coincidence that what got destroyed was files on A.A., huh?
Virtualoso
Orange <orange...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Craig S. did write:
> >> Perhaps he's afraid the big, bad AA Posse would hunt him
> >> down and kill him for exposing the "truth" if the loyal sheeple
> >> were able to learn his true identity. "
>
> Gee, considering the fact that some arsonist torched Charles Bufe's
> garage last year, and destroyed most of his files on Alcoholics
> Anonymous, that just might not be totally paranoid.
>
> As I'm sure you must know, Charles Bufe wrote the first good expose
> of A.A., called "Alcoholics Anonymous, Cult or Cure?"
>
> Quite a coincidence that what got destroyed was files on A.A., huh?
What strategic timing, too, eh? Quite a few years after he published,
and quite a long ways into the ever deepening obscurity of all that.
Was there insurance coverage?
stuart
> Stuart wrote:
> > The issue is whether a real man stands behind what he says.
>
> Oh really, Stuart. It's very funny that you would go on such a tirade
> about
> identities, considering how many phony ones you've used.
>
> The last time you emailed me, you claimed to be just a poor, victimized
> chiropractor
> in Canada whose good name was being besmirched by a crazy identity
> thief who was
> posting insane things to the Internet in your name.
>
> The first time you emailed me, you claimed to be:
> >> Stuart Hyderman BPHE MSc MD
>
> You are not an "MD", not unless "MD" means "Muscular Dislocator".
> You seem to be a chiropractor who claims to be an expert on recovery
> from alcoholism, and many other things too.
>
> What you didn't realize is that I am the kind of techno-geek who loves
> details,
> so I keep full headers on email turned on. I get all of those gory
> details at
> the top of every email that tells me all kind of things, including what
> computers
> the email came from. And guess what? Both messages came from the same
> computer,
That's kindof odd considering that I use four computers for the same email
address
> and the same email account, "hyde...@telusplanet.net", in Edmonton,
> Alberta, Canada.
Sorry dude, that's not my email address. My email address is
dr...@REMOVETOREPLYtelus.net
stuart
> Craig S. did write:
> >> Perhaps he's afraid the big, bad AA Posse would hunt him
> >> down and kill him for exposing the "truth" if the loyal sheeple
> >> were able to learn his true identity. "
>
> Gee, considering the fact that some arsonist torched Charles Bufe's
> garage last year, and destroyed most of his files on Alcoholics
> Anonymous, that just might not be totally paranoid.
>
> As I'm sure you must know, Charles Bufe wrote the first good expose
> of A.A., called "Alcoholics Anonymous, Cult or Cure?"
>
> Quite a coincidence that what got destroyed was files on A.A., huh?
So what you are saying is that the arsonist who got arrested was known as an
AA member, Orange?
stuart
Orange
> Sorry dude, that's not my email address. My email address is
That is a distinction without a difference.
Your attempt to hide from your own identity is pathetic.
Telus.net and telusplanet.net are the same company in the same
office in Edmunton Alberta. Over the last several years, you have
used both email addresses, as well as several others, like home.com.
Use "whois" to do a look-up:
# whois telus.net
Registrant:
Telus Communications Inc. (DOM-1320007)
10020 100st floor 22
Edmonton Alberta T5J 0N5
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
NSS ADPS (NIC-14326886)
Telus Communications Inc.
10020 100st floor 22
Edmonton Alberta T5J 0N5 CA
hostm...@TELUSPLANET.NET
+1.7809458172 Fax- +1.7804934277 CA
Domain Name: telus.net
"whois telusplanet.net" gives the same answers.
And you've used more than 4 computers. You change email addresses
often:
"stuart" <hyderman AT home.com> wrote in message
news:AJgu6.31858$5P1.4...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... approx 2001-03-22
stuart (hyderman AT home.com) 2001-03-23 and 2001-04-10
"stuart" <dukenukem AT home.com> May 21 2001,
"fred flintstone" <dukenukem AT home.com> Jan 4 2002 and Jan 15 2002
Al \(Stuart\) (hyderman AT nospamtelusplanet.net) 2002-09-16
"stuart" <fred AT outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
news:zjtHa.8554$T85.9...@news1.telusplanet.net...
"stuart" <hyderman AT telusplanet.net> 6 Aug 2003
stuart (fred AT outerspace.jetsons) 2003-06-16:
> "I'm pretty lucky, living out here in Alberta Canada, sober quite a while, happier than a swine in poop."
> "My email is hyderman AT REMOVEtelusplanet.net Remove the word "REMOVE" and it will reach me;-)"
"stuart" <fred AT outerspace.jetsons> wrote in news:6vV_a.3551$L6.54064
@news2.telusplanet.net: Aug 17 2003
stuart hyderman BPE DC "stuart" <drsbh AT telus.net> October 16 and
17, 2004, in letters to me.
bluespru AT telusplanet.net October 17, 2004, in another letter to me.
"stuart" <g... AT feds.org> Oct 27, 2005 very recent news post
It would be quite an amazing coincidence if there were half a dozen
different Stuart Hydermans living in Edmunton, Alberta, Canada, all of
whom lurk in the alt.recovery newsgroups year after year after year,
and snipe at anyone who criticizes A.A.:
stuart May 21 2001, 11:09 am
Newsgroups: alt.support.schizophrenia
From: "stuart" <dukenukem AT home.com>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:09:08 GMT
Local: Mon, May 21 2001 11:09 am
Subject: Re: Surviving Schizophrenia, 4th edition
> > MY ADVICE TO ALL THE CARETAKERS OF THE MENTALLY ILL OUT THERE IS TO GET
> > AWAY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AN NOT END UP A LIFE LONG VICTIM LIKE ME.
> > BURNED OUT AN HAD IT.
> If that's the case, then you are in no position to criticize Alcoholics
Anonymous
But the best laugh of the day is documented in a journal on neonatal
nursing,
where the medical practioners didn't buy "Doctor" Stuart's goofy
medical
theories about women's birth canals:
http://www.nursing-comments.com/nursing_job/neonatal_nursing/neonatal_nursing_msg26690/neonatal_nursing_msg26690.shtml
and
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=MU%25I9.199%24cL4.25657%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
Todd Gastaldo concluded: "I suggested that *perhaps* Stuart may be
drinking again..."
Stuart concluded: "Please don't mention me in any more of your posts."
Oh well, have a good day anyway.
* Agent Orange *
* ora...@orange-papers.org *
* AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
* http://www.orange-papers.org/ *
** Foisting ineffective quack medicine on sick people is not
** a wonderful noble act of self-sacrifice to help others;
** it is the reprehensible behavior of a damned fool.
stuart
> Stuart wrote:
> Oh well, have a good day anyway.
>
> * Agent Orange *
> * ora...@orange-papers.org *
> * AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
> * http://www.orange-papers.org/ *
> ** Foisting ineffective quack medicine on sick people is not
> ** a wonderful noble act of self-sacrifice to help others;
> ** it is the reprehensible behavior of a damned fool.
You seem to know who I am. Who are you? Well I already know who you are I
have it written down someplace. Your address is in an industrial area in
Houston, if I recall correctly. I could look it up, but, why bother. It's
you who has to stand behind your opinions..
Orange
Is that it? You get caught in a barefaced lie and all you do is shrug
and admit that I know who you are?
Do you have psychiatric problem? You have been doing that lie and deny
routine for
years now. During Halloween three years ago, you had delusions of MRI
machines over in
the misc.health.alternative newsgroup --
Who stole MRI units?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/f6030c07cd215f10/b709cb6085781968?lnk=st&q=stuart+MRI&rnum=5#b709cb6085781968
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/2564e38c61b01a41/f4d8117607666e90?lnk=st&q=stuart+MRI&rnum=22#f4d8117607666e90
MRI debate, delusions of MRIs.
Your shills in other newsgroups claim that you have 10 years in
Alcoholics Anonymous.
How is it that in 10 years you have not been able to learn the meaning
of the words "rigorous honesty" and "anonymous"?
Oh, and does that mean that 7 years ago you were flying your airplane
drunk while you were also an A.A. member?