Church also would forbid birth control, divorce
The Lesbians
role the Catholic Church is playing in the campaign to overturn the same-sex
marriage law.
If the church had its way, birth control would be illegal and divorce would
not exist. The hundreds of thousands of Mainers who have been divorced
and/or relied on birth control would have had the full force of the law
brought to bear in compelling them to live according to the church's rules
instead of according to their own choices about how to order their lives.
I hope that Mainers who would object most strenuously to having the law
force them to live by the church's rules will consider whether the law
should force me to live by the church's rules.
Civil marriage is a governmental institution, not a religious one. It should
be available to all citizens, not just those who follow the rules of a
particular religious tradition.
Jane Matrisciano
--
"We are of that generation that so changed the world that future days and
nights can never be the same."
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<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>As a former Catholic, I find myself bemused -- to put it mildly -- by the
>role the Catholic Church is playing in the campaign to overturn the same-sex
>marriage law.
>If the church had its way, birth control would be illegal and divorce would
>not exist. The hundreds of thousands of Mainers who have been divorced
>and/or relied on birth control would have had the full force of the law
>brought to bear in compelling them to live according to the church's rules
>instead of according to their own choices about how to order their lives.
>
>I hope that Mainers who would object most strenuously to having the law
>force them to live by the church's rules will consider whether the law
>should force me to live by the church's rules.
>
>Civil marriage is a governmental institution, not a religious one. It should
>be available to all citizens, not just those who follow the rules of a
>particular religious tradition.
>
>Jane Matrisciano
The church's hypocrisy maintains that if you were to marry civilly it
isn't a marriage "in the eyes of God." Yet the same church that says
a civil union is not a marriage in god's eyes, wants to deny civil
unions based on something they say god wants.
Poor pitiful god - always wanting something - maybe this is just
another little secular law the church wants to meddle in.
--
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>As a former Catholic, I find myself bemused -- to put it mildly -- by the
>role the Catholic Church is playing in the campaign to overturn the same-sex
>marriage law.
The ssml is a certified path to mortal sin. God requires we stand in opposition
to it.
>Civil marriage is a governmental institution, not a religious one.
Correction, civil contracts are illegal in most states.
>It should be available to all citizens, not just those who follow the rules of a
>particular religious tradition.
>Jane Matrisciano
It's not allowed by law.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:14:15 -0400, "The Lesbians"
><Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>
>>As a former Catholic, I find myself bemused -- to put it mildly -- by the
>>role the Catholic Church is playing in the campaign to overturn the same-sex
>>marriage law.
>>If the church had its way, birth control would be illegal and divorce would
>>not exist. The hundreds of thousands of Mainers who have been divorced
>>and/or relied on birth control would have had the full force of the law
>>brought to bear in compelling them to live according to the church's rules
>>instead of according to their own choices about how to order their lives.
>>
>>I hope that Mainers who would object most strenuously to having the law
>>force them to live by the church's rules will consider whether the law
>>should force me to live by the church's rules.
>>
>>Civil marriage is a governmental institution, not a religious one. It should
>>be available to all citizens, not just those who follow the rules of a
>>particular religious tradition.
>>
>>Jane Matrisciano
>
>The church's hypocrisy maintains that if you were to marry civilly it
>isn't a marriage "in the eyes of God."
God's blessing is the exact criteria for it to be a marriage.
> Yet the same church that says
>a civil union is not a marriage in god's eyes, wants to deny civil
>unions based on something they say god wants.
It's to your benefit that we do. We're keeping you from mortal sin.
>Poor pitiful god - always wanting something - maybe this is just
>another little secular law the church wants to meddle in.
Actually there is no civil law for queer marriage except in a few states.
duke
Hey little fellow. Why are you such a coward these days that you must hide from
discussion?
The Lesbians
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5stoc5t6bcf5ofeng...@4ax.com...
Hardly. Would you like to defend the "God's blessing" sealing the marriages
of the Pagan Romans?
>
>> Yet the same church that says
>>a civil union is not a marriage in god's eyes, wants to deny civil
>>unions based on something they say god wants.
>
> It's to your benefit that we do. We're keeping you from mortal sin.
Government ought not reflect the desire of a few Christian sects to keep us
from what they regard as sin in a secular republic. I see more and more of
the wisdom of the anti-clericalism of Mexico, France and Spain.
>
>>Poor pitiful god - always wanting something - maybe this is just
>>another little secular law the church wants to meddle in.
>
> Actually there is no civil law for queer marriage except in a few states.
New York, while not performing the marrigges, recognises them. Between civil
unions and outright marriage about one fifth of the states recognise it.
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
God's blessing and presence in the marriage is revealed with the coming of the
Messiah. God's love is for his entire creation, not just this part or that
part. And it's all reflected in the individuals and their intentions.
>>> Yet the same church that says
>>>a civil union is not a marriage in god's eyes, wants to deny civil
>>>unions based on something they say god wants.
>> It's to your benefit that we do. We're keeping you from mortal sin.
>Government ought not reflect the desire of a few Christian sects to keep us
>from what they regard as sin in a secular republic. I see more and more of
>the wisdom of the anti-clericalism of Mexico, France and Spain.
Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and that does
include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do with an
act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment is final.
>>>Poor pitiful god - always wanting something - maybe this is just
>>>another little secular law the church wants to meddle in.
>> Actually there is no civil law for queer marriage except in a few states.
>New York, while not performing the marrigges, recognises them. Between civil
>unions and outright marriage about one fifth of the states recognise it.
The point is that no matter how many states recognize it, God doesn't. And his
followers, being citizens of states, will vote their conscience. And dat be da
way it tis.
The Lesbians
Then it ought to be int he marriages of same sex couples, though it is an
affront to a secular republic that one or a few faiths' religious coception
of marriage dominated the legal definition. Thankfully, that is changing.
>
>>>> Yet the same church that says
>>>>a civil union is not a marriage in god's eyes, wants to deny civil
>>>>unions based on something they say god wants.
>
>>> It's to your benefit that we do. We're keeping you from mortal sin.
>
>>Government ought not reflect the desire of a few Christian sects to keep
>>us
>>from what they regard as sin in a secular republic. I see more and more of
>>the wisdom of the anti-clericalism of Mexico, France and Spain.
>
> Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and that
> does
> include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do
> with an
> act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment is
> final.
I worship a Goddess, as do many women. My government, if it imposes the
viewpoint of a few Christian sects upon us, is perforce violating the
Constitution and those religions are perverting the secular republic. Per
se, my religion carries as much weih in the secular republic as does yours.
We permit same sex marriage.
Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
laws of this nation to itself.
The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done it
to itself.
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
God specifically rejects the lifestyle of the homosexual.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be
deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male
prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards
nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
God gives you the free the choice to live your life as you wish. But the civil
courts are not the final judge, God is.
>> Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and that
>> does
>> include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do
>> with an
>> act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment is
>> final.
>I worship a Goddess, as do many women. My government, if it imposes the
>viewpoint of a few Christian sects upon us, is perforce violating the
>Constitution and those religions are perverting the secular republic. Per
>se, my religion carries as much weih in the secular republic as does yours.
>We permit same sex marriage.
Like I said, God is the final judge.
>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
>laws of this nation to itself.
Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done it
>to itself.
No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose wisely.
The Lesbians
In your faith, not in mine, not in many Christian paths either
>
> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
> 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
> not be
> deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor
> male
> prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor
> drunkards
> nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
>
> God gives you the free the choice to live your life as you wish. But the
> civil
> courts are not the final judge, God is.
In your heaven he is, but on earth, the law is
>
>>> Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and
>>> that
>>> does
>>> include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do
>>> with an
>>> act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment is
>>> final.
>
>>I worship a Goddess, as do many women. My government, if it imposes the
>>viewpoint of a few Christian sects upon us, is perforce violating the
>>Constitution and those religions are perverting the secular republic. Per
>>se, my religion carries as much weih in the secular republic as does
>>yours.
>>We permit same sex marriage.
>
> Like I said, God is the final judge.
Let him judge, then, in his own domain. This is a secular republic
>
>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
>>laws of this nation to itself.
>
> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and oppressive
interference in politics, it iwll in the end receive the treatment that
Revolutionary France and Republican Spain finally had to mete out to it for
similiar behaviours.
>
>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done it
>>to itself.
>
> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose wisely.
I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
But your life is only good for 70 years or so, then you die and God determines
your fate for the next eternity.
>>>> Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and
>>>> that
>>>> does
>>>> include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do
>>>> with an
>>>> act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment is
>>>> final.
>>>I worship a Goddess, as do many women. My government, if it imposes the
>>>viewpoint of a few Christian sects upon us, is perforce violating the
>>>Constitution and those religions are perverting the secular republic. Per
>>>se, my religion carries as much weih in the secular republic as does
>>>yours.
>>>We permit same sex marriage.
>> Like I said, God is the final judge.
>Let him judge, then, in his own domain. This is a secular republic
All creation is his domain. That includes you.
>>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
>>>laws of this nation to itself.
>>
>> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and oppressive
>interference in politics,
Haahaahaahaahaaa. Now that's funny.
>it iwll in the end receive the treatment that
>Revolutionary France and Republican Spain finally had to mete out to it for
>similiar behaviours.
God gets the last decision.
>>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done it
>>>to itself.
>> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose wisely.
>I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
>coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
God does not run a democracy.
The Lesbians
As I am a theologian for Her, as I minister to the rejected and the
forgotten, I suspect that She may well give me a pass.
>
>>>>> Government is required to reflect the desires of all it's people, and
>>>>> that
>>>>> does
>>>>> include the religious. And government's recognition has nothing to do
>>>>> with an
>>>>> act being a sin or not. God is the final authority and his judgment
>>>>> is
>>>>> final.
>
>>>>I worship a Goddess, as do many women. My government, if it imposes the
>>>>viewpoint of a few Christian sects upon us, is perforce violating the
>>>>Constitution and those religions are perverting the secular republic.
>>>>Per
>>>>se, my religion carries as much weih in the secular republic as does
>>>>yours.
>>>>We permit same sex marriage.
>
>>> Like I said, God is the final judge.
>
>>Let him judge, then, in his own domain. This is a secular republic
>
> All creation is his domain. That includes you.
The law, Mr Webber, in this Republic, is meant to reflect the Enlightenment,
not the early middle ages.
>
>>>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
>>>>laws of this nation to itself.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>
>>Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and
>>oppressive
>>interference in politics,
>
> Haahaahaahaahaaa. Now that's funny.
They thought so in Spain as well, til the advent of the Second Republic.
>
>>it iwll in the end receive the treatment that
>>Revolutionary France and Republican Spain finally had to mete out to it
>>for
>>similiar behaviours.
>
> God gets the last decision.
She may well be tired of the many crimes of your Church
>
>>>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done
>>>>it
>>>>to itself.
>
>>> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose
>>> wisely.
>
>>I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
>>coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
>
> God does not run a democracy.
She gave us minds and a charge to protect all of creation
mani deli
>God specifically rejects the lifestyle of the homosexual.
No god rejects anything . The Bible was written by people who reject
stuff.
>God gives you the free the choice to live your life as you wish. But the civil
>courts are not the final judge, God is.
No evidence that gods judges anything.
>Like I said, God is the final judge.
Like you said! Means nothing!
>Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
Your judgment in these cases is wishful thinking.
>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done it
>>to itself.
>
>No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word.
People have tried to get god to come down and say the something. He
never did. The last word is what you say before you die.
God is a leading cause of death.
>Choose wisely.
Your choice is based on total ignorance. You know nothing about any
gods.
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>>>> God gives you the free the choice to live your life as you wish. But
>>>> the civil courts are not the final judge, God is.
>>>In your heaven he is, but on earth, the law is
>> But your life is only good for 70 years or so, then you die and God
>> determines your fate for the next eternity.
>As I am a theologian for Her, as I minister to the rejected and the
>forgotten, I suspect that She may well give me a pass.
Is she a statue?
>>>> Like I said, God is the final judge.
>>
>>>Let him judge, then, in his own domain. This is a secular republic
>>
>> All creation is his domain. That includes you.
>The law, Mr Webber, in this Republic, is meant to reflect the Enlightenment,
>not the early middle ages.
What law is that? The law is based on Christian principles, not
"enlightenment", and is directed toward right treatment of one person to
another. And the author os Christian principles is God almighty, not some
female statue.
>>>>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>>>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend the
>>>>>laws of this nation to itself.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>>
>>>Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and
>>>oppressive
>>>interference in politics,
>>
>> Haahaahaahaahaaa. Now that's funny.
>
>They thought so in Spain as well, til the advent of the Second Republic.
And in the early days, the Emperor and the Pope were one and the same.
>> God gets the last decision.
>She may well be tired of the many crimes of your Church
My Church, being led by the Holy Spirit, can do no harm.
>>>>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have done
>>>>>it
>>>>>to itself.
>>
>>>> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose
>>>> wisely.
>>
>>>I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
>>>coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
>>
>> God does not run a democracy.
>
>She gave us minds and a charge to protect all of creation
Yeah, but that comes from God almighty.
duke
>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>God specifically rejects the lifestyle of the homosexual.
>No god rejects anything . The Bible was written by people who reject
>stuff.
People didn't write what they wanted. People wrote what God said.
>>No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word.
>People have tried to get god to come down and say the something. He
>never did. The last word is what you say before you die.
And then judgment.
mani deli
>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:32:08 -0400, mani deli <nob...@rinterlog.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>God specifically rejects the lifestyle of the homosexual.
>
>>No god rejects anything . The Bible was written by people who reject
>>stuff.
>
>People didn't write what they wanted. People wrote what God said.
No god ever said anything. If any god has anything to say he is free
to come down and do so.
Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John
6:46; I John 4:12)
>>>No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word.
>
>>People have tried to get god to come down and say the something. He
>>never did. The last word is what you say before you die.
>
>And then judgment.
When you die you like all others you will rot end, of story. The After
Death Insurance Policy you purchased is a con job by the issuers.
Nobody has ever come back from the dead to attest to it's
authenticity. You've been had.
"Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel,
was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man
or woman."
(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Cruel gods make cruel people.
The Lesbians
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:15:13 -0400, "The Lesbians"
> <Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
>
>>>>> God gives you the free the choice to live your life as you wish. But
>>>>> the civil courts are not the final judge, God is.
>
>>>>In your heaven he is, but on earth, the law is
>
>>> But your life is only good for 70 years or so, then you die and God
>>> determines your fate for the next eternity.
>
>>As I am a theologian for Her, as I minister to the rejected and the
>>forgotten, I suspect that She may well give me a pass.
>
> Is she a statue?
No, She is all around us, part of all things, as opposed to your Jesus in a
Gold Box on an altar.
>
>>>>> Like I said, God is the final judge.
>>>
>>>>Let him judge, then, in his own domain. This is a secular republic
>>>
>>> All creation is his domain. That includes you.
>
>>The law, Mr Webber, in this Republic, is meant to reflect the
>>Enlightenment,
>>not the early middle ages.
>
> What law is that? The law is based on Christian principles, not
> "enlightenment", and is directed toward right treatment of one person to
> another. And the author os Christian principles is God almighty, not some
> female statue.
The law is based upon Enlightenment principles, Sir. The writings of
Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and Madison make that patently clear.
My Goddess is no more a statue than yours is two sticks with a piece of
homoerotic art attatched.>
>>>>>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>>>>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>laws of this nation to itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>>>
>>>>Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and
>>>>oppressive
>>>>interference in politics,
>>>
>>> Haahaahaahaahaaa. Now that's funny.
>>
>>They thought so in Spain as well, til the advent of the Second Republic.
>
> And in the early days, the Emperor and the Pope were one and the same.
No, in fact, they were not.
Not ever.
The Roman Pontifex Maximus was separated from the office of the Emperor
under Septimus Severus, well before the legalisaion of Christianity
>
>>> God gets the last decision.
>>She may well be tired of the many crimes of your Church
>
> My Church, being led by the Holy Spirit, can do no harm.
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands aknowledged dead that John Paul II
apologised for...
>
>>>>>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have
>>>>>>done
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>to itself.
>>>
>>>>> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose
>>>>> wisely.
>>>
>>>>I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
>>>>coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
>>>
>>> God does not run a democracy.
>>
>>She gave us minds and a charge to protect all of creation
>
> Yeah, but that comes from God almighty.
Your conception fo the Creator, Mr Webber, not mine.
And the United States is required to treat us both equally
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass Murder is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Sixtus VI> *****
duke
<Trib...@manhattan.sapphist.org> wrote:
They wrote on Christian principles, not enlightenment principles. The laws of
this country are to protect and guide right living based on Christian
principles.
>My Goddess is no more a statue than yours is two sticks with a piece of
>homoerotic art attatched.>
There is only one God. That leaves no room for a goddess that is more than a
plaster statue.
>>>>>>>Your religion, in the end will end up being restrained and suppressed
>>>>>>>because of its ceaseless attempts to surreptitiously or overtly bend
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>laws of this nation to itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but our judgment is not of this world, but the next.
>>>>
>>>>>Fine. Then in this world, because of your church's ceaseless and
>>>>>oppressive
>>>>>interference in politics,
>>>>
>>>> Haahaahaahaahaaa. Now that's funny.
>>>
>>>They thought so in Spain as well, til the advent of the Second Republic.
>> And in the early days, the Emperor and the Pope were one and the same.
>No, in fact, they were not.
>Not ever.
>The Roman Pontifex Maximus was separated from the office of the Emperor
>under Septimus Severus, well before the legalisaion of Christianity
I'll accept that statement.
>>>> God gets the last decision.
>>>She may well be tired of the many crimes of your Church
>> My Church, being led by the Holy Spirit, can do no harm.
>Tell that to the hundreds of thousands aknowledged dead that John Paul II
>apologised for...
Men killed by men, not the Church. And JPII's apology is evidence of that.
Whatever he said. You and I clearly don't know.
>>>>>>>The Church will scream discrimination, but in the end it will have
>>>>>>>done
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>to itself.
>>>>
>>>>>> No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word. Choose
>>>>>> wisely.
>>>>
>>>>>I have. I chose reason and acceptance, respect for others, peaceful
>>>>>coexistence rather than enforced orthodoxy>
>>>>
>>>> God does not run a democracy.
>>>
>>>She gave us minds and a charge to protect all of creation
>>
>> Yeah, but that comes from God almighty.
>Your conception fo the Creator, Mr Webber, not mine.
>And the United States is required to treat us both equally
Yep.
By the way, my name is duke.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:16:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:32:08 -0400, mani deli <nob...@rinterlog.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>God specifically rejects the lifestyle of the homosexual.
>>
>>>No god rejects anything . The Bible was written by people who reject
>>>stuff.
>>
>>People didn't write what they wanted. People wrote what God said.
>
>No god ever said anything. If any god has anything to say he is free
>to come down and do so.
He already did. He gave us our marching orders, and then said "go and do as I
taught you".
>Has anyone seen God?
>John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John
>6:46; I John 4:12)
That's right.
>>>>No matter what the civil courts do, God has the last word.
>>
>>>People have tried to get god to come down and say the something. He
>>>never did. The last word is what you say before you die.
>>
>>And then judgment.
>When you die you like all others you will rot end, of story.
Well, your body clearly does. However, the only person to go the other side and
come back to tell us about it says you're wrong.
> The After
>Death Insurance Policy you purchased is a con job by the issuers.
>Nobody has ever come back from the dead to attest to it's
>authenticity. You've been had.
One man did.
>"Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel,
>was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man
>or woman."
> (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
>
>Cruel gods make cruel people.
And God almighty makes loving people.
mani deli
>>The law is based upon Enlightenment principles, Sir. The writings of
>>Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and Madison make that patently clear.
>
>They wrote on Christian principles, not enlightenment principles. The laws of
>this country are to protect and guide right living based on Christian
>principles.
That's one reason abortion is legal.
Next this ultra right wing religious fanatic will babble the usual
parrot croak, that it's a Christian nation and that Christians are
persecuted. The top guys who are responsible for spreading this
bullshit don't believe it themselves. Its put out for strictly bimbo
consumption.
This ignorant religious fanatic learned his truncated history in
Sunday school and regressed from that point on.
Actually, the most prominent Founding Fathers were deist (at best) and
very anti-Christian.
"The priests of the different religious sects ... dread the advance of
science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal
harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they
live."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the
Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed
with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.
But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made
them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example
of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved --
the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has
produced!"
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
myself from Christian assemblies."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning
Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the
study of
nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by
no
authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of
no
conclusion."
-- Thomas Paine
"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty
committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the
belief of this debauchery is called faith."
-- Thomas Paine
"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."
-- Thomas Paine
"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of
salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer
and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I
shall ever change them."-- Abraham Lincoln (yes, I know that Lincoln
wasn't a Founding
Father)
Patrick
> Next this ultra right wing religious fanatic will babble the usual
> parrot croak, that it's a Christian nation and that Christians are
> persecuted. The top guys who are responsible for spreading this
> bullshit don't believe it themselves. Its put out for strictly bimbo
> consumption.
You bought it, didn't you?
duke
>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:38:31 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>The law is based upon Enlightenment principles, Sir. The writings of
>>>Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and Madison make that patently clear.
>>
>>They wrote on Christian principles, not enlightenment principles. The laws of
>>this country are to protect and guide right living based on Christian
>>principles.
>That's one reason abortion is legal.
Thats only because, recently, some people have been persuaded by satan to kill
the human unborn.
>Actually, the most prominent Founding Fathers were deist (at best) and
>very anti-Christian.
But built a country based on Christian principles.
dave by the beach
>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:36:57 -0400, mani deli <nob...@rinterlog.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:38:31 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>The law is based upon Enlightenment principles, Sir. The writings of
>>>>Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and Madison make that patently clear.
>>>
>>>They wrote on Christian principles, not enlightenment principles. The laws of
>>>this country are to protect and guide right living based on Christian
>>>principles.
>
>>That's one reason abortion is legal.
>
>Thats only because, recently, some people have been persuaded by satan to kill
>the human unborn.
You can not kill an "unhuman who has not been born yet."
Tell us the number of catholic women who had abortions last year. What
percentage of all the abortions is that?
Your church isn't doing a very good job of getting its members to play
by its rules.
You need to get your house in order before you try to tell everyone
else that YOU think they are wrong.
duke
wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:42:53 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:36:57 -0400, mani deli <nob...@rinterlog.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:38:31 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>The law is based upon Enlightenment principles, Sir. The writings of
>>>>>Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and Madison make that patently clear.
>>>>
>>>>They wrote on Christian principles, not enlightenment principles. The laws of
>>>>this country are to protect and guide right living based on Christian
>>>>principles.
>>
>>>That's one reason abortion is legal.
>>
>>Thats only because, recently, some people have been persuaded by satan to kill
>>the human unborn.
>
>You can not kill an "unhuman who has not been born yet."
Hey, dave, out of jail again? So the fetus is dead dog?
Maybe you can comment re the unborn baby having a beating heart, sucking it's
thumb, and other things that live human beings have.
>Tell us the number of catholic women who had abortions last year. What
>percentage of all the abortions is that?
They didn't give you this info in jail?
>Your church isn't doing a very good job of getting its members to play
>by its rules.
There are no member rules, doug. God spoke, and man elects to follow God or
follow satan.
>You need to get your house in order before you try to tell everyone
>else that YOU think they are wrong.
Well, well, well, what great information for you yourself to follow.
mani deli
Reform!
As long as the country is run by legalized bribery that's all you will
get while Insurance companies and big Pharma will get what they paid
for.