Diocese kept abuse cases secret
Karen
Michael Schulte remembers being in the family bomb shelter at the height of
the Cold War when he told his parish priest about being raped as a middle
school student.
Father Douglas W. Dempster had come to Schulte's New Castle County home in
the Milltown development of Sherwood Park to investigate the teenager's
claim that a Roman Catholic priest had sodomized him during overnight trips
to Philadelphia and Virginia.
Schulte had kept the sexual assault secret for two years, until the day he
saw his attacker get out of a car with a young boy from his neighborhood.
When Schulte finally came forward, church officials didn't call police or
hire a counselor for him. It was the early 1960s, and those tactics would
not become standard until 2002 -- when the abuse scandal in Boston became
national news.
Instead, they sent Dempster, who, according to Schulte and his mother,
questioned the boy alone in a soundproof, underground vault. Today, despite
reforms adopted under the glare of press scrutiny, Schulte is still waiting
for the results of Dempster's inquiry.
Interviewing a child in private, without his parents, was just one tactic
Catholic leaders in Delaware used that buried allegations of child
molestation, a News Journal investigation of clergy sex abuse in the Diocese
of Wilmington shows.
The News Journal examination is the first public attempt to chronicle how
church leaders in Delaware handled molestation claims. Neither the church
nor Delaware prosecutors have ever published a full account of abuse in the
diocese, where at least 30 priests have been accused of molesting more than
60 children since 1950.
The review showed that in many ways, the Diocese of Wilmington mirrored the
Archdiocese of Philadelphia, where church officials knowingly bounced
abusive priests from parish to parish, according to a three-year grand jury
investigation recently released in that city.
Church officials in Delaware negotiated secret legal settlements with
victims, sent accused priests to therapy instead of reporting them to police
and moved suspected abusers to other states, according to victims, church
officials and court documents.
But the Diocese of Wilmington -- which includes all of Delaware and the
Eastern Shore of Maryland -- also faced a shortage of priests.
To meet the spiritual needs of a growing Catholic population, bishops here
had a policy of accepting problem priests. In 1978, for example, the church
ordained a deacon named Edward Francis Dudzinski Jr. to the priesthood
despite allegations that the young man had inappropriate contact with a
handful of middle school boys in Easton, Md.
Seven years after becoming a priest, Dudzinski was removed from active
ministry when he was accused of molestation.
At least half of the 57 parishes in the diocese -- and four of its seven
Catholic high schools -- have had an alleged molester on staff. That number
is based on just 11 accused priests whose names have surfaced in lawsuits or
whose identities were reluctantly released by church officials.
The names of 23 accused priests have been closely guarded by the church,
even though Catholic officials have concluded the men had "credible
allegations" of abuse made against them. The church will not define what
"credible allegations" means. Keeping those names secret has prevented the
full extent of the molestation scandal from becoming public.
Bishop Michael A. Saltarelli and the other top-ranking church officials have
declined to provide details about the actions of the accused priests.
Victims demand names
Victims have long wanted church officials to release the names and
assignments of all the priests with credible allegations of abuse made
against them. That way more Catholics would know whether an accused priest
ever worked or lived at their home parish.
Church officials in Delaware, like at the other 194 dioceses nationwide, say
they are focused on the future and promise to do a better job of handling
new sex abuse allegations.
"The people in our diocese can look and see what we have in place to protect
children," diocese spokesman Robert G. Krebs said. "They can look and see
the programs in place to help victims. And they can know that we did release
the names to the authorities. I have not heard, and no one in the diocese
has heard, a good argument for releasing those names to the public."
The church argues that releasing internal documents could be unfair to the
accused priests, nearly all of whom have never been convicted of a crime.
And many victims don't want the priest who abused them to be publicly named,
Krebs said.
However, details continue to leak. On Thursday, a U.S. Navy officer sued
Archmere Academy in Claymont and the Wilmington Diocese in U.S. District
Court in Wilmington, claiming that he was sexually abused by a priest while
he was an Archmere student. The lawsuit claims that Catholic officials sent
the Rev. Edward Smith to Archmere in 1982, even though Smith had been
removed from a Philadelphia high school for sexual misconduct two years
earlier.
Lt. Cmdr. Kenneth J. Whitwell, 37, of Quantico, Va., said he was sexually
abused by Smith throughout his high school years, beginning when he was a
freshman.
"I was a shy 14-year-old," Whitwell said. "He basically carved me out of the
pack."
Agreed to charter
In 2002, Bishop Saltarelli pledged to implement the "Charter for the
Protection of Children and Young People" that was written by the U.S.
Conference of Bishops and approved by the Vatican in response to the abuse
scandal.
The charter calls for bishops to renounce confidential legal settlements,
pledge to always inform police whenever they become aware of an allegation
and to offer counseling to anyone who comes forward claiming to be a victim.
The bishops also adopted a zero-tolerance policy that required them to
remove any priest from active ministry if a "credible allegation" of abuse
is made against him.
Those reforms, however, came too late for more than 60 victims in the
Wilmington diocese that church leaders identified over the years.
Surprised by priest's language
When he entered the concrete-lined chamber, Schulte recalled, he assumed the
rebellious stance of an angry teenager, leaning against a post with his arms
crossed as he waited for Dempster to say something. Dempster was a close
associate of the priest the teenager accused of sexual abuse.
Schulte said he was stunned when Dempster, in his late 20s at the time, used
foul language warning him not to repeat his claims to anyone.
"He wanted to know, 'How f'ing far is this going to go?'" recalled Schulte,
who is 57.
Dempster, who is retired and lives in Marydel, Md., denied that he cursed at
Schulte.
"I would never use those words, no," said the 68-year-old priest. He met
with the family about Schulte's accusations, but does not remember going
into the bomb shelter alone with the boy, Dempster said in an interview at
his home.
On a previous trip to the house, he had visited the bomb shelter, Dempster
said, but was uncomfortable with the closed-in feeling of the underground
space. For that reason, he said, he doubted he would have taken Schulte
there to speak.
Dempster said he never reported Schulte's accusation to the police because
that was not his role in speaking to the family.
"My only job was to contact the authorities -- church authorities," Dempster
said.
Diocesan officials in Wilmington eventually sent the accused priest to a
hospital, Dempster said. He said he does not know what kind of treatment the
priest may have received. A Catholic Directory from that time listed the
priest as "on sick leave."
"I know they handled it and did their best with it," Dempster said.
Dempster said he never formed his own conclusion about whether the priest
was guilty of raping Schulte.
The priest went on to serve in several other parishes in the diocese before
retiring in the early 1990s.
Diocese spokesman Krebs declined to comment on Schulte's claims.
Schulte's parents, Doris and John Schulte, waited outside the bomb shelter
door, trusting Dempster's word that he needed to speak with their son alone,
said Doris Schulte, who is 84 and lives in Pennsylvania. Afterward, Dempster
talked with them, she said.
"He said that, 'It is absolutely forbidden that you ever repeat what you
have heard,'" Doris Schulte recalled, quoting Dempster.
Dempster said he does not remember all of the details of his meeting with
the Schultes. He said it is unlikely that he would have instructed them not
to speak about the allegations.
"I don't remember that," Dempster said. "It's so many years ago."
Similar experiences
The Schultes' story reflects the experience of thousands of families across
the country, experts say, especially those who were victimized in the 1960s,
1970s and 1980s.
"The consistent theme throughout those decades was that there was never any
mention of law enforcement," said David Clohessy, national director of
Chicago-based SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. "Victims
were never told this was a crime. The emphasis was very heavy on secrecy."
Doris Schulte and her husband, who is deceased, were regular members of St.
John the Beloved in Sherwood Park, where the family lived. They taught their
eight children to respect the word of a priest and to volunteer at the
church, where their sons were altar boys.
Like the overwhelming majority of victims, Michael kept the molestation
secret for years. In 2004, a study commissioned by the U.S. Conference of
Catholic Bishops found that only 13 percent of victims came forward in the
same year that they were molested by a priest.
Joe Schulte, Michael's oldest brother, was the first person Michael tried to
tell about being raped.
"I was completely shocked. I walked away a little bit," Joe Schulte said.
"And then I came back and said, 'You cannot tell anybody this. Forget it
happened. Don't tell anybody about this.' "
After that, Michael, who was 14 or 15 at the time, told his mother and
father about the sexual assault. His father went to see the bishop at the
time, the Rev. Michael W. Hyle, who insisted that the family allow church
officials to handle the priest themselves, Doris Schulte said.
The family never reported the incident to the police and never considered
suing the priest.
"We went through the channel that was acceptable at that time," she said.
But from that point forward, the family's Catholic faith was shattered.
Doris Schulte became a Presbyterian. Her husband lost his faith entirely,
becoming bitter about a $100 contribution he had made to the church, Joe
Schulte said.
"I knew my father was upset," he said. "He was especially angry about that
period of time."
Because of the way the church handled the incident, the family didn't speak
about Michael Schulte's allegations again for decades.
Screening new priests
Since at least the 1950s, the Diocese of Wilmington has struggled with a
shortage of priests, said Monsignor Paul J. Taggart, who served from 1966 to
1995 as vicar general of the diocese, considered second-in-command after the
bishop. Taggart died earlier this month after a lengthy illness.
During his time, Taggart said in an interview in 2002, the diocese never
knowingly accepted a priest who had sexually abused a child. But the diocese
would accept just about any priest who was able to perform his duties, as
long as he was not in serious trouble, Taggart said.
"I think we were more open than other dioceses in taking priests who needed
a second chance," Taggart said.
Since 1950, three priests from other dioceses who were ministering in the
Diocese of Wilmington have been accused of sexual molestation, according to
a letter Bishop Saltarelli wrote to Catholics in Delaware in January 2004.
When a priest from another diocese was discovered to have abused a child,
"we would show the door to the person," Taggart said.
Under church rules, a priest must get permission from the local bishop
before he can minister in a diocese, even if that priest is part of an
autonomous religious order that does not report to the bishop.
In 1971, Wilmington diocese officials considered accepting a priest who had
been accused of sexually molesting teenage boys in the Diocese of Worcester,
Mass. The priest was rejected, however, because of a negative evaluation by
his psychiatrist, according to court documents filed in 1994 as part of a
lawsuit against church officials in Worcester.
Had the doctor given David A. Holley a positive report, he might have been
accepted by the bishop of Wilmington at the time, the Rev. Thomas J.
Mardaga, according to the documents.
"Regrettably, Father Holley's case presented a greater problem than we could
handle, at least with the present prognosis," Mardaga wrote to the bishop of
Worcester.
Holley was eventually sent to New Mexico, where he was convicted of
molesting several boys and sent to prison.
Questions about Dudzinski
Six years after Mardaga rejected Holley, he elevated Dudzinski into the
priesthood -- despite concerns about Dudzinski's relationships with junior
high school-age boys in the Saints Peter and Paul Parish in Easton.
Dudzinski was working as an intern priest at the time.
Several months before he became a priest, Dudzinski was forced to attend
psychological counseling when his superiors in the parish discovered that he
had taken one boy on an overnight fishing trip and had pressured another
boy's mother to let him take her eighth-grade son on vacation with him. When
the woman refused, Dudzinski asked another boy instead, according to an
internal church memorandum that later surfaced in a 1989 sexual abuse
lawsuit against the church.
Two women confided to Father Edward M. Aigner Jr., who was supervising
Dudzinski in Easton, that they were uncomfortable with the amount of time
Dudzinski had been spending around their middle school-age sons. Aigner
outlined the women's discomfort and his own concerns in a June 22, 1977,
memorandum to diocese officials. In the end, Aigner took the unusual step of
refusing to either endorse or oppose Dudzinski's application to the
priesthood.
In 1985, 15-year-old Barry Lamb of Brandywine Hundred accused Dudzinski of
sexually abusing him during summer trips to the Busch Gardens amusement park
near Williamsburg, Va.
When Lamb told his parents in August 1985, he didn't give them all of the
details immediately, said his father, Nelson Lamb.
"We didn't know how horrendous it was until years later," Nelson Lamb said.
For that reason, and because Nelson Lamb was an extremely devout Catholic,
the family reported the incident to the church -- not the police.
Two priests, one of whom was a high-ranking diocese administrator, met with
the family and, afterward, alone with Barry. The diocese official persuaded
Nelson Lamb to send Barry to counseling at Catholic Social Services and
convinced him that the church would take responsibility for Dudzinski.
Diocese officials have acknowledged that Dudzinski is on their list of
priests with credible allegations of abuse made against them and have said
that the church paid Barry Lamb to settle the 1989 lawsuit he filed. Krebs
declined to answer questions about Lamb's case.
Barry Lamb said the priests made him feel guilty about reporting Dudzinski.
"The specific question they asked me was, 'What did I do to make him do that
to me?' " Barry Lamb said.
At no time did church officials suggest that the family report Dudzinski to
the police, the Lambs insisted. And Nelson Lamb said he regrets not taking
his son to the police immediately.
Years later, when Barry Lamb was in college, he tried to have Dudzinski
arrested, but by then the statute of limitations had expired.
Retired Delaware Deputy Attorney General Keith Trostle said prosecutors
tried unsuccessfully to find a way to file criminal charges on Barry Lamb's
behalf. Lamb's case eventually helped inspire prosecutors to push for a
change in the statute of limitations, Trostle said. In 1992 Delaware
lawmakers rewrote the law, removing a five-year limit that had prevented
criminal prosecutions in which victims kept their abuse secret for years.
The 'gentlemen's agreement'
Only one of the 11 priests who have been publicly accused of sexual
molestation has been prosecuted, and that involved a police agency outside
of Delaware.
In Delaware, the diocese appeared to have a "gentlemen's agreement" with
prosecutors about priests who got into trouble with the police, said the
Rev. Thomas J. Peterman, an unofficial historian for the diocese who wrote a
book that listed the priests who have served in Delaware since the diocese
was founded in 1868.
From the 1950s through the 1970s, Peterman said, it was understood by
diocese priests that colleagues who were accused of sexual abuse were not
investigated by police in Delaware. Instead, they would be sent to places
like St. Luke Institute in Silver Spring, Md., for psychological treatment.
Afterward, the priest would not be allowed to return to Delaware, Peterman
said. Instead, he would be assigned to a parish on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
Peterman said he could recall at least one priest working in New Castle
County who was reassigned under that "gentlemen's agreement." He declined to
name the priest.
Taggart, the retired vicar general for the diocese, denied that such an
unwritten bargain existed, as did former prosecutors in Delaware who served
in the 1970s and 1980s.
However, former Attorney General Charles M. Oberly III said that it is
possible such an unusual arrangement could have affected how such
molestation cases were handled in the 1950s and the 1960s, when the office
was still small and child sexual abuse claims were rare -- especially those
made against the clergy.
"In the 1950s and 1960s things were totally different," said Oberly, who was
Delaware's top prosecutor from 1982 until 1994. "Is it possible a case could
be swept under the rug? Certainly."
Few knew of incidents
When church officials took action against a priest accused of molestation,
they rarely informed the public, or even other priests in the diocese.
Father Aigner, who cautioned his superiors about ordaining Dudzinski, told
the newspaper that on rare occasions, a priest would be reassigned without
any warning or explanation from the diocese. Priests rarely stay at one
church for more than a few years, so there is nothing strange about getting
a new assignment. But usually there are public announcements about personnel
changes.
Dudzinski and another priest, Joseph McGovern, seemed to vanish overnight,
Aigner said.
"They seemed like they disappeared," Aigner said. "They just weren't around
anymore and there just was never a lot of information about them. But you
hear things."
Years later, Aigner learned that Dudzinski was sent to a psychiatric
institute and then went on to work in another state.
Dudzinski eventually became a counselor in Virginia for teenagers with drug
and alcohol problems until new allegations surfaced. He gave up his
counseling license in 2003 while he was being investigated by the Virginia
Board of Counseling, according to Virginia records. Among the allegations
Dudzinski faced was that he slept in the same bed with a minor he was
supposed to be counseling.
The fate of McGovern remained a mystery to Aigner until McGovern's name came
up in the grand jury report on priest abuse issued by Philadelphia District
Attorney Lynne Abraham. The report said that after abuse allegations
surfaced against him in 1986, McGovern was treated for pedophilia at St.
Luke Institute in Silver Spring, Md., and placed on Depo-Provera, a sexual
inhibitor.
In 1987, McGovern was allowed to live at a rectory in the Archdiocese of
Philadelphia while he studied at Temple University. But when archdiocese
officials learned he was celebrating Mass at Holy Angels Church between 1987
and 1990, they ordered him to find his own residence.
Today, the Diocese of Wilmington continues to pay McGovern a stipend,
although Krebs, the diocese spokesman, said he does not know where McGovern
is living or what he is doing.
Seeking closure
All of the anger that Michael Schulte had suppressed for years came back one
day around the year 2000 when he talked to a childhood friend who also
claimed to have been molested by a Catholic priest.
Neither priest has ever been accused of abuse in a Delaware court and the
diocese has declined to say whether it has ever received a "credible
allegation" of abuse against either man. For that reason, their names are
being withheld by The News Journal. One priest did not return phone calls
seeking comment and the other declined to talk about the allegations.
Sometime after 2000, Schulte met with Monsignor Clement P. Lemon, the vicar
for priests, who works as an advocate on behalf of priests with Bishop
Saltarelli. Since 1987, Lemon also has been responsible for investigating
priest abuse cases, meeting with victims and interviewing priests.
Lemon remembers meeting with Schulte, but could not recall any details of
the conversation, including whether he ever gave Schulte any information
about Dempster's investigation.
Schulte said he came away disappointed from the meeting. Lemon was
sympathetic, listening carefully to everything Schulte said. But in the end,
Schulte only learned that the priest was in retirement in another state.
Victim advocates say that church investigators are much more gentle today
than in past decades. One thing remains unchanged, however, said Clohessy,
who is with the survivors network: Church officials avoid releasing any
details from their internal investigations. Clohessy said that theme remains
consistent with the estimated 1,500 victims he has interviewed during his
time with SNAP.
The church did agree to pay for Schulte to see a counselor.
During one counseling session at the Catholic Social Services building in
Wilmington, Schulte said, he was asked what he would do if he discovered
that his abuser was still hurting children and no one was able to do
anything about it.
"I told him I'd pop a cap in him myself," Schulte said.
Within days, a Wilmington police detective left several phone messages for
Schulte about the threat, but apparently dropped the matter when Schulte
didn't call him back, Schulte said.
The counselor had warned Schulte that he would have to report the threat to
the police.
After he got the phone messages from police, Schulte said, he refused to go
back to counseling.
Although a detective called him regarding the threat he made against a
priest, Schulte said, he never got a call from any police agency
investigating the priest who abused him.
Abuse in the Diocese of Wilmington
The Catholic Diocese of Wilmington has acknowledged that 30 priests who have
worked within its borders have had credible allegations of abuse leveled
against them, but has declined to name them all. This graphic contains a
list of 11 priests who have been accused publicly of molesting children in
the past. Seven of these men are on the diocese's list; the other four were
identified using court and church records as well as interviews with alleged
victims. Only one of the 11, Robert J. Hermley, has ever been convicted of
sexually abusing a child. No court has ruled against the other 10.
EDWARD D. CARLEY
Ordained 1948, died 1998
1948: St. Mary Refuge of Sinners, Cambridge, Md.
1954: St. Ann's Church, Wilmington.
1962: St. Paul's Church, Wilmington.
1964: Cathedral of St. Peter, Wilmington.
1967: Good Shepherd Church, Perryville, Md.
1972: Mother of Sorrows Church, Centreville, Md.
1983: St. Dennis Church, Galena, Md.
EDWARD FRANCIS DUDZINSKI JR.
Ordained, 1978
1978: St. Mary Magdalen Church, Wilmington.
1983: St. Francis de Sales Church, Salisbury, Md.
ROBERT J. HERMLEY
Ordained, 1955
1966: Father Judge High School for Boys, Philadelphia.
1978: Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church, Seaside Heights, N.J.
1980: Padua Academy, Wilmington.
1982: Our Lady of Good Counsel Church, Vienna, Va.
1991: St. Mary Church, Fredericksburg, Va.
1992: Seton Home School, Arlington, Va.
2001: Little Sisters of the Poor, Newark, Del.
WILLIAM E. IRWIN
Ordained, 1964
1964: St. Edmond's Church, Rehoboth Beach.
1964: Immaculate Conception Church, Elkton, Md.
1966: Holy Cross Church, Dover.
1968: St. Mary of the Assumption, Hockessin.
1970: Catholic Information Center, Wilmington.
1971: Diocesan Religious Education Center, Wilmington.
1974: Christian Formation Department, Wilmington.
1976: St. Francis de Sales Church, Salisbury, Md.
1986: Diocesan headquarters, Wilmington.
1990: Holy Family Church, Newark.
2001: St. Mary Magdalen, Wilmington.
ALFRED J. LIND
Ordained 1960, died 1996
1960: St. Francis de Sales Church, Salisbury, Md.
1963: St. Catherine of Siena Church, Wilmington.
1965: St. Elizabeth Church, Wilmington.
LEONARD J. MACKIEWICZ
Ordained 1957, died 1994
1957: St. Edmond's Church, Rehoboth Beach.
1958: Immaculate Conception Church, Marydel, Md.
1960: St. Thomas Church, Wilmington.
1961: St. Hedwig's Church, Wilmington.
1964: Holy Rosary Church, Claymont.
1971: St. Michael the Archangel Church, Georgetown.
1973: St. Mary Refuge of Sinners, Cambridge, Md.
1975: Holy Cross Church, Dover.
1976: St. Francis de Sales Church, Salisbury, Md.
1976: Delaware State Correctional Institute, Smyrna.
1985: St. Polycarp's Church, Smyrna.
JOSEPH A. McGOVERN
Ordained, 1979
1979: St. Francis de Sales, Salisbury, Md.
1979: St. Mary Refuge of Sinners, Cambridge, Md.
1980: St. Catherine of Siena, Wilmington.
1983: St. John's-Holy Angels, Newark.
1987: Archdiocese of Philadelphia, Philadelphia.
JAMES W. O'NEILL
Ordained, 1968
1959: Bishop Duffy High School, Niagara Falls, N.Y.
1961: De Sales Hall, Hyattsville, Md.
1962: De Chantal Hall, Lewiston, N.Y.
1964: De Sales Hall, Hyattsville, Md.
1968: Bishop Ireton High School, Alexandria, Va.
1973: Salesianum School, Wilmington.
1986: Archbishop Wood High School, Warminster, Pa.
1990: Weston School of Theology, Cambridge, Mass.
1991: St. Paul the Apostle Parish, Greensboro, N.C.
FRANCIS J. ROGERS
Ordained, 1981
1981: Immaculate Heart of Mary Church, Wilmington.
1986: St. Matthew Church, Wilmington.
1989: Holy Rosary Church, Claymont.
1992: St. Mary Magdalen Church, Wilmington.
1995: Corpus Christi Church, Elsmere.
EDWARD SMITH
1975: Bishop (now St. John) Neumann H.S., Philadelphia.
1982: Archmere Academy, Claymont.
1997: Archmere Academy, Claymont.
1996: Immaculate Conception Priory, Claymont.
CHARLES W. WIGGINS
Ordained, 1985
1985: Our Lady of Fatima, New Castle.
1986: St. Mark's High School, Wilmington.
1987: St. Francis de Sales Church, Salisbury, Md.
1991: St. John's Holy Angels Parish, Newark.
1993: Our Lady of Good Counsel Church, Secretary, Md.
1994: Holy Family Church, Newark.
1997: Holy Spirit Church, New Castle.
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051120/NEWS/511200333/0/NEWS01
Patrick
>
> Michael Schulte remembers being in the family bomb shelter at the height of
> the Cold War when he told his parish priest about being raped as a middle
> school student.
+ Henry Ford remembers when you could purchase his cars in any color
you wanted - as long as you wanted it in black.
> It was the early 1960s, and those tactics would
+ <Yawn...>
> ..Delaware prosecutors have ever published a full account of abuse in the
> diocese, where at least 30 priests have been accused of molesting more than
> 60 children since 1950.
+ <Yawn...>
> Seven years after becoming a priest, Dudzinski was removed from
active
> ministry when he was accused of molestation.
+ That is how it works.
+ Someone makes an accusation.
+ The RCC removes the alleged perp from active ministry.
> In 2002, Bishop Saltarelli pledged to implement the "Charter for the
> Protection of Children and Young People" that was written by the U.S.
> Conference of Bishops and approved by the Vatican in response to the abuse
> scandal.
+ And so they have.
> Those reforms, however, came too late for more than 60 victims in the
> Wilmington diocese that church leaders identified over the years.
+ Should we give them each a mule and 40 acres?
Karen
slug aka poo bag and "Patdick" <bark...@erinet.com> slimed...
> + My daddy is a mule.
+ Answer "yes" or "no"....
+ Are you allowed unsupervised visits with children "related" to you?
Valerie
Karen wrote:
> Diocese kept abuse cases secret
>
> The church argues that releasing internal documents could be unfair to the
> accused priests, nearly all of whom have never been convicted of a crime.
> And many victims don't want the priest who abused them to be publicly named,
> Krebs said.
>
> However, details continue to leak. On Thursday, a U.S. Navy officer sued
> Archmere Academy in Claymont and the Wilmington Diocese in U.S. District
> Court in Wilmington, claiming that he was sexually abused by a priest while
> he was an Archmere student. The lawsuit claims that Catholic officials sent
> the Rev. Edward Smith to Archmere in 1982, even though Smith had been
> removed from a Philadelphia high school for sexual misconduct two years
> earlier.
No, no...it cannot be. Patrick assures us that the Bishops are being honest and telling
everything, that they are no longer hiding enything.
This sounds more likethe stuff that Philadelphia DA Abraham discovered....
Do you suppose that Philadelphia was NOT unique, that the Bishops are STILL concealing things
til caught?
The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were moving ahd hiding
priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the secrecy asurrounding
the problem...
But that cannot be...Patrick said that the church never intenionally did anything wrong and
it was all evil shrinks...
> T
--
"I remember how the meaning of words began to change. I remember how "different" became
dangerous. I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much. ...the first time we kissed
I knew I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again... She grew Scarlet Carsons for
me in our window box and our place always smelt of roses. Those were the best years of my
life...for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"
Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
Patrick
> The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were moving ahd hiding
> priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the secrecy asurrounding
> the problem...
+ How soon you forget.
+ Bishops did not hide priests.
+ Bishops sent fag priests to the recovery centers for "the cure"
past the 1990's. Only in 2002 - when they American bishops met
in Dallas did they finally decide that they should not listen to
the stupid shrinks anymore.
+ Have you forgotten?
+ Don't bother answering me. I'll be in Houston.
Newk Indofman
"Patrick" <bark...@erinet.com> wrote in message
news:1163986309.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Valerie wrote:
>> The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were
>> moving ahd hiding
>> priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the
>> secrecy asurrounding
>> the problem...
>
> + How soon you forget.
> + Bishops did not hide priests.
> + Bishops sent fag priests to the recovery centers for "the cure"
No. Most of the time, they just transferred the offenders to another parish.
[]
> + Don't bother answering me. I'll be in Houston.
Don't forget to pack your mommy's panties.
Valerie
Patrick wrote:
> Valerie wrote:
> > The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were moving ahd hiding
> > priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the secrecy asurrounding
> > the problem...
>
> + How soon you forget.
> + Bishops did not hide priests.
WHOPPER ALERT
>
> + Bishops sent fag priests to the recovery centers for "the cure"
> past the 1990's. Only in 2002 - when they American bishops met
> in Dallas did they finally decide that they should not listen to
> the stupid shrinks anymore.
This particular lie is getting tiresome Patrick.
Of course, it may be policy to try and use a "Big Lie" defence.
Law was told in 1984 not to let paedophiles around kids
Krol and Bevilaqua were told multiple times throughout the 1980's
They didn't listen.
>
> + Have you forgotten?
No, I remember your lies.
You never remember the truth.
>
> + Don't bother answering me. I'll be in Houston.
"Houston, we have a problem,..."
James Lovell
Alan Ferris
>Valerie wrote:
>> The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were moving ahd hiding
>> priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the secrecy asurrounding
>> the problem...
>
>+ How soon you forget.
>+ Bishops did not hide priests.
>+ Bishops sent fag priests to the recovery centers for "the cure"
>past the 1990's. Only in 2002 - when they American bishops met
>in Dallas did they finally decide that they should not listen to
>the stupid shrinks anymore.
“However, even when such medical intervention had been availed of,
Bishop Comiskey was unable or unwilling to implement the medical
advice which he had received. In addition, the [Ferns] Inquiry has
seen some evidence that Bishop Comiskey did not fully inform these
medical experts of the full history of priests against whom previous
allegations had been made.” – Ferns Report
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
AMBAN
says...
>
>Valerie wrote:
>>The list of priests and their assignments is interesting....they were moving ahd
>>hiding
>>priests well into the 1990's...long after cracks were emerging in the secrecy
>>asurrounding
>> the problem...
>
>+ How soon you forget.
>+ Bishops did not hide priests.
Wrong. So, So wrong.
>+ Bishops sent fag priests to the recovery centers for "the cure"
>past the 1990's. Only in 2002 - when they American bishops met
>in Dallas did they finally decide that they should not listen to
>the stupid shrinks anymore.
>+ Have you forgotten?
>+ Don't bother answering me. I'll be in Houston.
Good - Houston will have the problem.
AMBAN
>
--
Patrick Barker - 12 Nov 2006 - +And once again, ..... you pull out the old lie
that church officials "CLAIM" to be moral authorities. They do not. Stop saying
it. + Church officials SHOULD lead upright and moral lives
that SHOULD be above reproach. Just like all cops, security
people, bus drivers, babysitters should maintain the highest standards.
Fred
You need another dose of BBC, Patrick. Self-Rightiousness is one of
the least of your sins.