Who do I blame for my anger?
BR
>I've had a few beers and I feel quite angry. I am remembering A school I
>went to.
> We talking about childhood and schools' ( at the club). I tried to make the
>point that Teachers had more influence and more time with our (young) school
>age children than we do.
>It was at this point that I became angry and remembered once again.
>I was abused as a school kid.
>I talk about it more and more as I get older.
You didn't go to a Catholic school did you? Your experience is
consistent with Catholic cult abuse.
I had a similar experience when I was at school. I was sent to a
Catholic school. St peter's college in Epsom, Auckland.
When I was about 12 years old, a teacher there, a brother Gary
Wellsmore, punched my head in with a closed fist, and said that if I
told anyone he would deny it. So I shut up about it. I was very angry
about it at the time, the unresolved anger became a habit, and as I
got older, it became more difficult to manage. I doubt that it will
ever really go away. Of course, I got off lightly compared to those
unfortunate children who were shagged up the shitter by some jerk
wearing a dog collar purporting to be a "man of God".
As for the bastard that started it all, I have finally tracked him
down. I went back to my old school a few months ago. I hadn't set foot
in the place for about 26 years. When I explained to them why I was
there, they immediately went into damage control. The last thing they
wanted was someone like me going about telling horror stories, not
good for business and all that. They were most co-operative in telling
me his whereabouts. (Nambuka Heads, NSW they told me) They also tried
to convince me that they are a reformed institution, and that "that
sort of thing doesn't happen around here any more". Quite frankly, I
don't believe them, and other people I know who have recently sent
their kids there, support this view.
I have cross posted this to alt.recovery.catholicism, and
alt.christian.roman-catholic, in the unlikely event that Wellsmore or
some of his cohorts read these groups.
Wellsmore, in case you are reading this: you are more offensive than a
large pile of dogshit, and the organisation you represent is a nasty
cult of mind control run by paedophiles, bullies and sexual
inadequates of which you are at least one, and very likely all three.
(What sort of a man would closet himself away from women and surround
himself with young boys?) Your mob could teach Scientology a thing or
two. I bet Scientology obtained some of their ideas from the Vatican.
After all, the Vatican cult has had centuries to perfect it's mind
control techniques, abuse children, and get up to all sorts of other
nastiness, and in spite of all this, it still manages to maintain a
public facade of credibility and respect.
If there is anyone reading this who is thinking about sending their
kids to a Catholic school, DONT DO IT!!!. It might be your son or
daughter who becomes the next victim of Catholic sexual abuse, and
with the catholic clergy featuring prominently in current aids
statistics, it could even send them to an early grave.
What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
much, do you?
Bill
Karen H Jarvis
BR <spam...@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:38d324ca...@newsource.ihug.co.nz...
Sorry to hear about what happened to you. What order was Wellsmore from??
Karen
T A R T
doesn't want to discuss?! Quite simple really....
--
T A R T
ICQ# 67241966
Greg
>
> What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
> much, do you?
>
as ive been saying .. religious bran washing scum ...
BR
<khja...@convent-childermas.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Sorry to hear about what happened to you. What order was Wellsmore from??
>
>Karen
He was from the so called "Christian" Brothers. Their dog collars are
half white, half black.
Cheers.
Bill.
BR
<brian....@vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:20:36 GMT, spam...@noonehome.com (BR) wrote:
>
>>What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
>>much, do you?
>
>If you want to engage me in conversation, you need to do so in a less
>aggressive tone than that.
>
>I practice my religion in good faith, but do not pursue others with
>it. If how I live does not influence people, then all my words would
>be empty. So, no, I don't talk about it much.
>
>Furthermore, this is nz.general and we
Who's "we"?
>set up nz.soc.religion in an
>attempt to keep religious bigots from flooding this group with
>irrelevant proselytising, for or against particular sects. I have no
>interest in entering debate in those other groups, so my reply is to
>nz.general only.
Please yourself, but I will post what I like and where I like, with or
without your approval.
>However, despite your arrogant tone, your question deserves an answer.
>I am really sorry that you had that experience. But I didn't do it to
>you, and I owe you nothing more than ordinary human concern for
>someone who was treated unjustly.
The main reason that I asked you in particular, is that in the past
when you have disagreed with some of the things that I have said here,
you have seen fit to give me a public telling off in a manner not
unlike that of a catholic schoolmaster. It came as no surprise to me
when you said that you are a catholic. The church has fed you this
papist bullshit all your life from an early age, at compulsory weekly
indoctrination sessions, and there is no way now that your mind can
ever escape from their clutches.
You are a bit like an elephant that had it's leg tied to a stake by a
piece of string when it was a baby, and didn't then have the strength
to break free, and because it had been tethered there all it's life,
it does not take a thick rope to keep it tied up, just a little piece
of string, even as a fully grown beast. It is the mistaken belief that
it cannot break free that holds it there, even though it has the
physical strength to easily break the string. As long as it can feel
the string around it's foot, it stays put. A victim of a con, so to
speak. That is how well established cults operate. They feed you their
bullshit from an early age, and by the time you are an adult, the cult
programming often overrides all logic and common sense, and blocks all
the escape exits. You are trapped.
>I went to St Paul's across town in Grey Lynn, and was taught by the
>Marist brothers. They too have had an occasional aberrant mad bastard,
>though I never met one, nor did I even hear of one during my time
>there. In later years, I recall a case where abuse occurred at a
>Hamilton Marist school. It was not handled well, if I recall it
>correctly.
Do you mean that they tried to cover it up? I remember around 1974 a
boy in my class was caught with marijuana. In those days, all drugs
were regarded by the authorities as very serious, much more so than
today. Everyone thought the kid was for the high jump, and everyone
expected the school to be crawling with cops. As it turned out, the
headmaster gave the stuff back to him and told him to return it to
whoever it was that supplied him with it, and not to tell anyone. A
typical cover up. Ironic when I think back to all the horror stories
they used to tell us about marijuana, and other drugs.
>I can honestly say that in my time at St Paul's (1956-1962) I never
>encountered anything of a sexual or abusive nature. In fact I regard
>the men who taught me as a very fine bunch of really good teachers,
>and men who chose their vocation out of a genuine conviction about
>what was right. I admire the Marist brothers to this day, and I still
>know some.
Of course not. That sort of thing was never talked about openly in
those days. If such a thing happened, I doubt that the victim would
have dared to talk about it. In my own case, I didn't tell anyone,
because not only would I get into more trouble for being caught with
cigarettes, I would have been caned for telling lies as well. In those
days, when it was the kid's word against a teacher's, the teacher was
believed every time without question.
>I travelled on ferries and after the bridge was built, buses from
>Birkenhead every day with quite a number St Peters boys, none of whom
>gave any indication of the sort of experience you had. Boys may well
>keep secrets from their parents and other adults, but they usually
>tell their mates.
Sexual abusers are very skilled at knowing who is likely to tell and
who isn't. Some kids would tell their mates, but there would be a few
introverted kids who would suffer in silence. How the hell do you
think the bastards manage to get away with it for so long? They choose
their victims with great care, and abuse only the ones whom they know
will shut up about it.
>And they were proud of their school. I never knew
>Wellsmore, but I still know a number of St Peters Old boys who hold
>their school and the Christies in high regard. Your experience was
>obviously bad. I regret that.
Yeah, and it wasn't just Wellsmore either. There was this other
teacher, a brother Monagle, the deputy headmaster no less, who used to
go round the class, cane in hand, and ask questions pertaining to the
previous days lesson, and if you got it wrong, WALLOP! Both Monagle
and Wellsmore were both very fond of the cane, and both of them liked
to get close to the boys, and cuddle the boys, and touch the boys etc.
I can tell you that I FUCKING HATED THEM DOING IT! OK, I did not see
or hear of any instance when they did anything to anyone that could
have seen them in court before the beak, but all the kids knew what
they were thinking. Monagle was the worst. His nickname was homo. I
don't know if he ever sexually abused any kids, but I wouldn't put it
past him.
Then there was brother Wilkes. He was as mad as a fruitbat. They used
to make us stand on this white line after school as punishment for a
seemingly endless list of misdemeanours. One day when one of my
friends and I were each given one of these detentions, Wilkes came out
to do the garden which ran along side the detention line. He was
wearing these skimpy short pants which were quite unbecoming for a man
of the cloth. Next thing you know he was digging the garden, and one
of his testicles popped out! I saw it but my friend didn't. I didn't
say anything because I didn't want both of us to start laughing, but
then it happened again, and both of us saw it this time. We could
barely conceal our laughter! This must have got the old bastard
aroused or something, because he did it deliberately the next time it
happened. We were both utterly astonished. Of course he was completely
insane. You had to be there to really appreciate what a fruitcake he
was. He used to organise dances for the 5th form classes, and he used
to rave on about women's breasts. Dirty old bugger!
>I had no hesitation in sending my five kids to Catholic schools. That
>would scarcely be the case if we harboured any fears for our kids, now
>would it?
The words of a Pink Floyd song, "Sheep" come to mind.
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away.
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air
You better watch out
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jordan and I have seen
Things are not what they seem.
WHAT DO YOU GET FOR PRETENDING THE DANGER'S NOT REAL?
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes
Now things are really what they seem
No! This is no bad dream!
Bleating and babbling I fell on his neck with a scream
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.
Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home and do as you're told
Get out of the road if you want to grow old.
The last verse has something of an analogy to the education system of
the present day, where the teachers are a the mercy of the kids, who
can inflict severe punishment on a teacher just by making up stories
of abuse.
>I might add that my wife also went to a Catholic school, so
>it was a joint decision, informed by our own experiences. It wasn't
>successful for all of them, but not for any reasons of the sort you
>expound, so we shifted them to local state schools when it was
>necessary for academic reasons. I might add that the principal of one
>of the state schools concerned was subsequently jailed for molesting
>his pupils.
What's his name?
>And if I recall correctly, the much publicised district
>high school at Kawakawa where young girls were abused over a period of
>many years is also a state school.
What was this abuser's name ?
>There are abusers in all walks of life. I would definitely regard
>abuse as incompatible with a sincerely held religious faith, but
>humans are an odd lot, and there are sick bastards in all sorts of
>places, including these news groups. They are not confined to
>religious schools.
No they are not, but the catholic church puts itself high up on a
plinth, and declares itself defender of the faith. They preach and
pontificate from a position of a self invented moral high ground. They
are hypocrites.
It has been suggested that the incidences of Catholic sexual abuse
would be minimised if their clergy were allowed to marry. I can't see
the day when that will ever happen. They used to tell us that the
reason priests had to be celibate was so that they could be as much
like Jesus as possible. Of course that is complete bollocks. The real
reason that they will not permit their clergy to marry is that it
would be bad for business. The catholic church has had many centuries
to amass a huge fortune in land, gold and money. If priests were
allowed to marrry and bear children, then it is likely that their
spouses and offspring could lay claim to some of the church's vast
wealth, and over time that wealth could become diluted. As things are
at the moment, when a priest dies, all his belongings go back to the
church, thus their assets are all kept "in house" as it were. Not that
priests are necessarily as poverty stricken as the church would like
to have us believe. When I was a kid I went to church with Mum one day
and I said to her: "Are priests rich?" She replied that there were no
rich priests. This caused a conflict between what she said, and the
spectacle of Father Brown driving into the churchyard in his brand new
Holden Statesman V8.
Bill.
Pied Piper
Pax
BR <spam...@noonehome.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:55:38 +1300, "CSM" <bd...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
> much, do you?
>
> Bill
jeff bellinger
I attended Catholic grade school and college. My sibblings did as well.
Here is my brothers story:
In the third grade he was acting up in class (PRLEAS NOTE: CATHOLIC schools
do not provide for special education, learning disablities, speech therapy,
behavior therapy, gifted services, hearing impared services, etc. If you
put your child in a Catholic school and they are gifterd or need special
services...you will NEVER know and they will never get the attention they
need...they can't afford to provide it to students!!!)
Anyway Sister Marie, a Franciscan, pulled him into the hallway in full view
of the entire class, slapped him around and told him point blank "YOU ARE SO
BAD YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO HELL!"
My parents pulled him from the school immediately, put him in the local
public school where he was assesed with a form of ADD and given help..
Today he makes over $100,000 a year as a successful computer/internet geek
(sorry!). But he will never forget Sister Marie....
Oh and she got her's ...she died of a horrible brain tumor a few years
later...I wonder adout her spirit sometimes.
I am sure there are 100's of thousands of grade school abuse stories out
there...it helps to talk, but it hurts to hear. I hope you can forgive
atleast!
Claudia
Karen H Jarvis
Am I right in thinking they are the De la Salle Christian Brothers?
Karen
Malcolm
spam...@noonehome.com (BR) wrote:
> You didn't go to a Catholic school did you? Your
> experience is
> consistent with Catholic cult abuse.
Catholic cult abuse ?
> When I was about 12 years old, a teacher there, a
> brother Gary
> Wellsmore, punched my head in with a closed fist, and
> said that if I
> told anyone he would deny it. So I shut up about it. I
> was very angry
> about it at the time, the unresolved anger became a
> habit, and as I
> got older, it became more difficult to manage. I doubt
> that it will
> ever really go away.
Did you do anything to deserve being hit ? If a teacher
hitting you as a child really causes such long-term effects
you had better get some sort of professional help. This is
*not* normal.
> Of course, I got off lightly
> compared to those
> unfortunate children who were shagged up the shitter
> by some jerk
> wearing a dog collar purporting to be a "man of God".
You seem to have a lot of anger against priests. Most are
not pederasts.
> As for the bastard that started it all, I have finally
> tracked him
> down. I went back to my old school a few months ago. I
> hadn't set foot
> in the place for about 26 years. When I explained to
> them why I was
> there, they immediately went into damage control. The
> last thing they
> wanted was someone like me going about telling horror
> stories, not
> good for business and all that. They were most
> co-operative in telling
> me his whereabouts. (Nambuka Heads, NSW they told me)
> They also tried
> to convince me that they are a reformed institution,
> and that "that
> sort of thing doesn't happen around here any more".
So they can't do any right, whether they fob you off or co-
operate.
> Quite frankly, I
> don't believe them, and other people I know who have
> recently sent
> their kids there, support this view.
It may well not be a brilliant school. There are many
Catholic schools, some of which are excellent, most of
which are not.
> If there is anyone reading this who is thinking about
> sending their
> kids to a Catholic school, DONT DO IT!!!. It might be
> your son or
> daughter who becomes the next victim of Catholic
> sexual abuse, and
> with the catholic clergy featuring prominently in
> current aids
> statistics, it could even send them to an early grave.
As you say, you seem to be extremely angry. Catholic
schools vary - a school isn't necessarily good or bad just
because it is Catholic. As a grown man, why do you claim to
be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
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"Malcolm" <donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote in message
As a grown man, why do you claim to
> be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
> but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
what a sexist remark! Oh, come on, now...be a man.....ho ho ho....deny your
pain...ho ho ho....here, watch some sports, that'll make it all better....ho
ho ho....
--
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AMBAN
"Salvador Dali Parton" <biafrafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Malcolm" <donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
> As a grown man, why do you claim to
> > be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
> > but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
>
> what a sexist remark! Oh, come on, now...be a man.....ho ho ho....deny
your
> pain...ho ho ho....here, watch some sports, that'll make it all
better....ho
> ho ho....
> --
Grunting should help too.
AMBAN
AMBAN
grave.
> As you say, you seem to be extremely angry. Catholic
> schools vary - a school isn't necessarily good or bad just
> be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
> but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
Whew, what planet does this guy come from? Sure is healthy (not) to hide
all that garbage and be invalidated all your life. These are the creeps
that perpetuate the abuse instead of stopping it.
AMBAN
Darklady
Malcolm <donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote in message
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<snip>
> As you say, you seem to be extremely angry. Catholic
> schools vary - a school isn't necessarily good or bad just
> because it is Catholic. As a grown man, why do you claim to
> be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
> but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
You know, I was just going to recommend that BR move his conversation
into a.r.c. so as not to create too much cross-posting that we don't frankly
need here -- but your comment really needs a response ... and not a friendly
one.
As a woman, allow me to asy "fuck you."
I take full responsibility for my life. Does that make me a man?
Part of taking responsibility for one's life is taking inventory of it
and of what influences have acted upon it. In BR's case he experienced some
very unjust physical abuse. He has a right to be angry and to see himself
as having been victimized. He *was* victimized, for goodness sake! A child
who is beaten is being victimized. As to whether he sees himself today as a
"victim," however... I dunno. I think they're two different things. I've
been victimized in my life (physical and emotional abuse as well as a lot of
very unfortunate sexual experiences as a teen) but I'm nobody's victim.
It has not been my experience that either gender has a corner on the
market of taking "responsibility for their own lives." Men merely have been
trained to stuff their pain more effectively than women -- and that's not
something that I think is good for me, frankly. I think it leads to their
higher rates of heart disease, strokes, smoking and drinking. All that pain
continues to exist, it just thrives and breeds below the surface thus
increasing physical and mental health risks and making it more difficult for
men to befriend one another and women as honestly, openly and fully as they
might otherwise.
You are, of course, free to disagree.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered
where this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the
circus and a clown killed my dad.
-- Jack Handey --
Geoff McCaughan
Let me state at the outset that I have absolutely no knowledge of the case
in question, and I certainly hold no brief for religious schools.
> Do you mean that they tried to cover it up? I remember around 1974 a
> boy in my class was caught with marijuana. In those days, all drugs
> were regarded by the authorities as very serious, much more so than
> today. Everyone thought the kid was for the high jump, and everyone
> expected the school to be crawling with cops. As it turned out, the
> headmaster gave the stuff back to him and told him to return it to
> whoever it was that supplied him with it, and not to tell anyone. A
> typical cover up. Ironic when I think back to all the horror stories
> they used to tell us about marijuana, and other drugs.
And you see this as a Bad Thing?
To me it seems like they might [note might] have done the Right Thing.
I would think it better in a case like this to give the kid a good telling
off and make very clear to them that they'd have the book thrown at them if
it happened again, and hopefully get the kid back on the straight and
narrow, rather than calling the cops and basically screwing the kids
prospects by landing them with a drug conviction at an early age.
Karen H Jarvis
Brian M. Harmer <brian....@vuw.ac.nz> wrote in message
news:o515ds4o1jec8kkpf...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:22:38 -0000, "Karen H Jarvis"
> <khja...@convent-childermas.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >BR <spam...@noonehome.com> wrote in message
> >news:38d1c075...@newsource.ihug.co.nz...
> >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:36:39 -0000, "Karen H Jarvis"
> >> <khja...@convent-childermas.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> He was from the so called "Christian" Brothers. Their dog collars are
> >> half white, half black.
>
>
> The De la Salle Brothers have two schools in New Zealand. One is in
> Mangere, the other in New Plymouth.
>
> The Christian Brothers have schools in Epsom and Dunedin ... maybe
> others.
>
You can read the article online at
http://search.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,84589+1,00.html
Christian Brother
member of either of two separate but similar congregations of Roman Catholic
laymen devoted to teaching youth.
The Institute of the Brothers of Christian Schools (F.S.C.) was founded by
St. Jean-Baptiste de La Salle at Reims, France, in 1684 for the education of
boys, especially of poor families; the congregation is now established on
all continents. Besides teaching in elementary, secondary, and
teacher-training schools, the brothers administer and staff colleges;
agricultural schools; welfare or corrective schools; technical, trade, and
commercial schools; and houses of retreat.
The Congregation of the Brothers of the Christian Schools of Ireland
(C.F.C.) was founded in 1802 in Waterford, Ire., by Edmund Ignatius Rice, a
merchant of that city. Rice established the order to serve the needs of poor
Catholic boys in his native land, where the English laws of the period
prohibiting Catholic schools had reduced great numbers of Catholics to
poverty and ignorance. The congregation spread to distant countries largely
as a result of Irish-born bishops seeking help in educating the youth of
their dioceses. The brothers also conduct orphanages and institutions for
the blind and deaf.
> --
> Brian M. Harmer
> http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~bharmer/
Malcolm
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> As a woman, allow me to asy "fuck you."
As a man, allow me to say you are not very lady-like.
> I take full responsibility for my life. Does that make me a man?
Almost, if you really do.
> I've
> been victimized in my life (physical and emotional abuse as well as a lot of
> very unfortunate sexual experiences as a teen) but I'm nobody's victim.
Well there we go, do you take full responsibility for those "very unfortunate
sexual experiences ?" Something tells me you're trying to shuffle it off on
to someone else. I don't mind this, women are like that (just as I wouldn't
mind a young boy saying he wants to be a footaball player when he grows up,
but if a seventeen-year old said the same thing I'd expect him at least to be
the best in the school team).
> I think it[male repression] leads to their
> higher rates of heart disease, strokes, smoking and drinking. All that pain
> continues to exist, it just thrives and breeds below the surface thus
> increasing physical and mental health risks and making it more difficult for
> men to befriend one another and women as honestly, openly and fully as they
> might otherwise.
This is straight from the pages of women's magazines. There's no evidence
that counselling and therapy does anyone any good at all, from a medical
point of view. Habouring hatred can be damaging, but the last thing any of
the sex abuse counsellors say is "try to forgive."
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Before you buy.
Darklady
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>
> "Salvador Dali Parton" <biafrafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sd506k...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Malcolm" <donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >
> > As a grown man, why do you claim to
> > > be a victim ? This is quite a typical feminine response,
> > > but most men take responsibility for their own lives.
> >
> > what a sexist remark! Oh, come on, now...be a man.....ho ho ho....deny
> >your pain...ho ho ho....here, watch some sports, that'll make it all
> better....ho ho ho....
> > --
>
> Grunting should help too.
> AMBAN
And don't forget to scratch and belch.
Burping up a mouth full of beer would probably help, too.
--
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http://www.darklady.com
Adam and Eve had an ideal marriage. He didn't have to hear about all the men
she could have married, and she didn't have to hear about the way his mother
cooked.
-- Unknown --
Darklady
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> In article <38d2...@news.nwlink.com>,
> "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > As a woman, allow me to asy "fuck you."
> As a man, allow me to say you are not very lady-like.
>
> > I take full responsibility for my life. Does that make me a man?
> Almost, if you really do.
Wow. And here all along I thought it was having both X and Y
chromosomes and external genitalia.
Amazing what ya learn online, eh?
> > I've
> > been victimized in my life (physical and emotional abuse as well as a
lot of
> > very unfortunate sexual experiences as a teen) but I'm nobody's victim.
>
> Well there we go, do you take full responsibility for those "very
unfortunate
> sexual experiences ?" Something tells me you're trying to shuffle it off
on
> to someone else. I don't mind this, women are like that (just as I
wouldn't
> mind a young boy saying he wants to be a footaball player when he grows
up,
> but if a seventeen-year old said the same thing I'd expect him at least to
be
> the best in the school team).
I take as much responsibility as I should.
What information do you have about me that leads you to believe I'm
"trying to shuffle it off on to someone else?"
Is it the fact I'm female?
Here's one of my stories: I started working full-time while attending
high school full time, being an editor for my school paper, active in the
drama club and choir when I was 16. I took a job (at my parents' insistance)
that kept me working past midnight with no way home. Since quitting wasn't a
feasible option for me at the time, I got home as best I could: walking,
getting rides with co-workers, hitchhiking, etc. Unfortunately, there are
men in this world who apparently decide to take responsibility for their
lives by being unkind to others. That included some co-workers and some
strangers, who decided that if I wanted *out* of the vehicles then I needed
to *put* out. I complied since didn't care for the alternative, which
looked pretty unpleasant.
In other words, I made my decisions from the options (as unappealing as
they were) presented to me.
That does NOT, however, absolve these gentlemen from their abundant
portion of blame and responsibility.
> > I think it[male repression] leads to their
> > higher rates of heart disease, strokes, smoking and drinking. All that
pain
> > continues to exist, it just thrives and breeds below the surface thus
> > increasing physical and mental health risks and making it more difficult
for
> > men to befriend one another and women as honestly, openly and fully as
they
> > might otherwise.
>
> This is straight from the pages of women's magazines. There's no evidence
> that counselling and therapy does anyone any good at all, from a medical
> point of view. Habouring hatred can be damaging, but the last thing any of
> the sex abuse counsellors say is "try to forgive."
"... straight from the pages of women's magazines?"
Honey, you appear to know a lot more about those kinds of things than I
do. Are you sure you're a man?
I don't read women's magazines. I do, however, write for WebMD on
occasion. Perhaps you have them confused?
As for the rest of your paragraph, I don't what orifice you're pulling
this from but it's none of mine. I never suggested trying to forgive, so I'm
not sure what that's all about. I figure gaining understanding is a lot
more useful that worrying about forgiving anyone. I don't forgive most of
the abuse I received, but I do understand what prompted a lot of it and that
helps. You can't really condemn a one-legged man for not winning a foot
race and I can't really work up too much of a head of steam when thinking
about some of the emotional cripples I encountered when I was young.
As regards evidence about talk therapy, I beg to differ. It's been shown
to work wonders in many cases (clearly not in those where you're dealing
with an organic dysfunction) and is considered a standard part of any
approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues. Each person's mileage
will vary depending on a number of factors, obviously, but for most people
getting emotional garbage out in the open is a very important step toward
understanding it and finding solutions.
And finally, it's well accepted "from a medical point of view" that
angry people have higher rates of high blood pressure, heart attacks and
strokes. We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want but
it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness or
problems dealing with others.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving
taxicabs and cutting hair.
-- George Burns --
arjay
> jeff bellinger wrote:
> >
> > I am sure there are 100's of thousands of grade school abuse
> > stories out there...it helps to talk, but it hurts to hear.
> > I hope you can forgive at least!
> >
> perpetrated by staff on the pupils, but it was not widespread.
<snip>
> But that was nothing compared with what pupils did to one
> another. One guy who used to roam the school mumbling to
> himself was hung by his feet from a window opening pole from
> a second story window. Another was tossed down a bank and broke
> several bones (he had brittle bone disease or something).
> Another guy was used as a dartboard and got three darts in
> his chest (without any apparent significant damage). Someone
> who told teachers about smokers was burned several times
> with a cigarette.
>
> Ain't kids grand?
Kids tend to be a reflection of the society that has reared them.
Ain't 'grownups' grand?
arjay
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
> --
> Cliff Pratt, (MCP) CAP Consulting
> Web build, web design. HTML, Javascript, CGI, ASP, Web Consulting
> Email: enk...@cliffs.co.nz Phone: 025 246 7747
Brian
Malcolm wrote:
> In article <38d2...@news.nwlink.com>,
> "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > As a woman, allow me to asy "fuck you."
> As a man, allow me to say you are not very lady-like.
>
> > I take full responsibility for my life. Does that make me a man?
> Almost, if you really do.
>
> > I've
> > been victimized in my life (physical and emotional abuse as well as a lot of
> > very unfortunate sexual experiences as a teen) but I'm nobody's victim.
>
> Well there we go, do you take full responsibility for those "very unfortunate
> sexual experiences ?" Something tells me you're trying to shuffle it off on
> to someone else. I don't mind this, women are like that (just as I wouldn't
> mind a young boy saying he wants to be a footaball player when he grows up,
> but if a seventeen-year old said the same thing I'd expect him at least to be
> the best in the school team).
>
> > I think it[male repression] leads to their
> > higher rates of heart disease, strokes, smoking and drinking. All that pain
> > continues to exist, it just thrives and breeds below the surface thus
> > increasing physical and mental health risks and making it more difficult for
> > men to befriend one another and women as honestly, openly and fully as they
> > might otherwise.
>
> This is straight from the pages of women's magazines. There's no evidence
> that counselling and therapy does anyone any good at all, from a medical
> point of view. Habouring hatred can be damaging, but the last thing any of
> the sex abuse counsellors say is "try to forgive."
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Hi how are you, I was wondering if you would like to join our lawn bowling team.
Thanks have a nice evening.
Brian M. Harmer
<khja...@convent-childermas.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>BR <spam...@noonehome.com> wrote in message
>news:38d1c075...@newsource.ihug.co.nz...
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:36:39 -0000, "Karen H Jarvis"
>> <khja...@convent-childermas.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> He was from the so called "Christian" Brothers. Their dog collars are
>> half white, half black.
>Am I right in thinking they are the De la Salle Christian Brothers?
No. The Christian Brothers are a different order in their own right.
The De la Salle Brothers have two schools in New Zealand. One is in
Mangere, the other in New Plymouth.
The Christian Brothers have schools in Epsom and Dunedin ... maybe
others.
Enkidu
>
> I am sure there are 100's of thousands of grade school abuse
> stories out there...it helps to talk, but it hurts to hear.
> I hope you can forgive at least!
>
Mmm, I went to a state school. There was violence there,
perpetrated by staff on the pupils, but it was not widespread.
the edge of a ruler, several used to use the ruler flat across
palms. I don't recall hearing any sexual abuse, maybe because
either a) it did not happen, b) I was too naive to realise.
Certainly I did not have any personal knowledge of it.
One teacher threw a pupil's desk down the stairs for some
misdemenour, and one guy had his shoulder dislocated in a
fracas with a teacher.
But that was nothing compared with what pupils did to one
another. One guy who used to roam the school mumbling to
himself was hung by his feet from a window opening pole from
a second story window. Another was tossed down a bank and broke
several bones (he had brittle bone disease or something).
Another guy was used as a dartboard and got three darts in
his chest (without any apparent significant damage). Someone
who told teachers about smokers was burned several times
with a cigarette.
Ain't kids grand?
Cheers,
BR
>
>>
>> What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
>> much, do you?
>>
>> Bill
>as ive been saying .. religious bran washing scum ...
>
That's a bit strong. I wouldn't want to direct comments like that
towards Brian personally, just to the cult of mind control of which he
is an unfortunate victim.
Bill.
AMBAN
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
news:38d2...@news.nwlink.com...
> > "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As a woman, allow me to asy "fuck you."
> > As a man, allow me to say you are not very lady-like.
> >
> > > I take full responsibility for my life. Does that make me a man?
> > Almost, if you really do.
>
> chromosomes and external genitalia.
> Amazing what ya learn online, eh?
>
> > > been victimized in my life (physical and emotional abuse as well as a
> lot of
> > > very unfortunate sexual experiences as a teen) but I'm nobody's
victim.
> >
> > Well there we go, do you take full responsibility for those "very
> unfortunate
> > sexual experiences ?" Something tells me you're trying to shuffle it off
> on
> > to someone else. I don't mind this, women are like that (just as I
> wouldn't
> > mind a young boy saying he wants to be a footaball player when he grows
> up,
> > but if a seventeen-year old said the same thing I'd expect him at least
to
> be
> > the best in the school team).
>
> What information do you have about me that leads you to believe I'm
> "trying to shuffle it off on to someone else?"
> Is it the fact I'm female?
> Here's one of my stories: I started working full-time while attending
> high school full time, being an editor for my school paper, active in the
> drama club and choir when I was 16. I took a job (at my parents'
insistance)
> that kept me working past midnight with no way home. Since quitting wasn't
a
> feasible option for me at the time, I got home as best I could: walking,
> getting rides with co-workers, hitchhiking, etc. Unfortunately, there are
> men in this world who apparently decide to take responsibility for their
> lives by being unkind to others. That included some co-workers and some
> strangers, who decided that if I wanted *out* of the vehicles then I
needed
> to *put* out. I complied since didn't care for the alternative, which
> looked pretty unpleasant.
> In other words, I made my decisions from the options (as unappealing
as
> they were) presented to me.
> That does NOT, however, absolve these gentlemen from their abundant
> portion of blame and responsibility.
>
>
> > > higher rates of heart disease, strokes, smoking and drinking. All that
> pain
> > > continues to exist, it just thrives and breeds below the surface thus
> > > increasing physical and mental health risks and making it more
difficult
> for
> > > men to befriend one another and women as honestly, openly and fully as
> they
> > > might otherwise.
> >
> > This is straight from the pages of women's magazines. There's no
evidence
> > that counselling and therapy does anyone any good at all, from a medical
> > point of view. Habouring hatred can be damaging, but the last thing any
of
> > the sex abuse counsellors say is "try to forgive."
>
Some men (people) never learn to acknowledge their pain or how to ask for
help and the only solution they have is to end it all. They are victims of
a society who don't them to be big boys and not to cry. They never learned
to cry for help.
AMBAN
Pied Piper
Pax
Darklady
<snip>
> > As regards evidence about talk therapy, I beg to differ. It's been
> shown
> > to work wonders in many cases (clearly not in those where you're dealing
> > with an organic dysfunction) and is considered a standard part of any
> > approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues. Each person's
mileage
> > will vary depending on a number of factors, obviously, but for most
people
> > getting emotional garbage out in the open is a very important step
toward
> > understanding it and finding solutions.
> > And finally, it's well accepted "from a medical point of view" that
> > angry people have higher rates of high blood pressure, heart attacks and
> > strokes. We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want
but
> > it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness or
> > problems dealing with others.
> Some men (people) never learn to acknowledge their pain or how to ask for
> help and the only solution they have is to end it all. They are victims
of
> a society who don't them to be big boys and not to cry. They never
learned
> to cry for help.
> AMBAN
I know this may be a sensitive subject, but as the widow of a man who
committed suicide, do you think he might have benefited from some competent
talk therapy? Do you think the suicide might have stemmed, at least in
part, from keeping his fears and frustrations inside without learning
constructive ways to communicate them or properly identify them?
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
Darklady
news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
>
> Pax
???
Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Should vegetarians eat animal crackers?
Oldguyteck
> Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
> news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
> >
> > Pax
>
> ???
> Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
> Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
professional writer you are LOL
J O K E
Malcolm X-Files
"Pied Piper" <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
Hey aren't you part of that new Christian group called "Fuckhead maggot-dick
shit-eating bunghole festering piles of baboon dung for Jesus?"
In other words, how do you reconcile your SO-CALLED Christianity with the
fact that you are an unmitigated asshole?
--
Malcolm X-Files
AMBAN
> AMBAN <amban...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:kRBA4.30482$hT2.1...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> >
> > > As regards evidence about talk therapy, I beg to differ. It's been
> > shown
> > > to work wonders in many cases (clearly not in those where you're
dealing
> > > with an organic dysfunction) and is considered a standard part of any
> > > approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues. Each person's
> mileage
> > > will vary depending on a number of factors, obviously, but for most
> people
> > > getting emotional garbage out in the open is a very important step
> toward
> > > understanding it and finding solutions.
> > > And finally, it's well accepted "from a medical point of view"
that
> > > angry people have higher rates of high blood pressure, heart attacks
and
> > > strokes. We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want
> but
> > > it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness
or
> > > problems dealing with others.
>
for
> > help and the only solution they have is to end it all. They are victims
> of
> > a society who don't them to be big boys and not to cry. They never
> learned
> > to cry for help.
> > AMBAN
>
> committed suicide, do you think he might have benefited from some
competent
> talk therapy? Do you think the suicide might have stemmed, at least in
> part, from keeping his fears and frustrations inside without learning
> constructive ways to communicate them or properly identify them?
>
>
> --
> Darklady
> http://www.darklady.com
>
> I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
>
growing up and something or someone hurt him he was taught to ignore it, it
wasn't a big deal. Anger wasn't allowed. I saw him angry twice in 18
years. I thought he was "mature" I didn't know that every hurt was hidden
somewhere festering.
When he became depressed he thought he could handle it all by himself and no
one knew. He shot himself one day and left a note.
He had a wonderful life, a great career, a family that loved him. When I am
became ill he didn't ask anyone for help, he didn't share his fears. He
acted like everything was perfect and he had everything in control. It
destroyed him. Other people could have helped him develop strategies, think
of options, let him cry and share his pain.
The macho man mentality can destroy lives.
AMBAN
Oldguyteck
Peter Terry <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote in message
news:95337710...@subsonic.fan.net.au...
>
> Still mirror gazing I see. If you grew a second brain,
> I know youd still be lonely. Pity even Catholics tend to
> conclude your pretty much brain dead.
>
> You should change your handle from Pied Piper
> to Pious Pecker.
>
> PeterT
And WHAT do you think yours should be changed to....... ?
Ed....................(Oldguyteck)
>
> Pied Piper wrote in message ...
> >Obviously it didn't work you are still an idiot.
> >
> >
> >Pax
> >
> >
> >BR <spam...@noonehome.com> wrote in message
> >news:38d324ca...@newsource.ihug.co.nz...
> >> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:55:38 +1300, "CSM" <bd...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've had a few beers and I feel quite angry. I am remembering A school
I
> >> >went to.
> >> > We talking about childhood and schools' ( at the club). I tried to
make
> >the
> >> >point that Teachers had more influence and more time with our (young)
> >school
> >> >age children than we do.
> >> >It was at this point that I became angry and remembered once again.
> >> >I was abused as a school kid.
> >> >I talk about it more and more as I get older.
> >>
> >> You didn't go to a Catholic school did you? Your experience is
> >> consistent with Catholic cult abuse.
> >>
> >> I had a similar experience when I was at school. I was sent to a
> >> Catholic school. St peter's college in Epsom, Auckland.
> >>
> >> When I was about 12 years old, a teacher there, a brother Gary
> >> Wellsmore, punched my head in with a closed fist, and said that if I
> >> told anyone he would deny it. So I shut up about it. I was very angry
> >> about it at the time, the unresolved anger became a habit, and as I
> >> got older, it became more difficult to manage. I doubt that it will
> >> ever really go away. Of course, I got off lightly compared to those
> >> unfortunate children who were shagged up the shitter by some jerk
> >> wearing a dog collar purporting to be a "man of God".
> >>
> >> As for the bastard that started it all, I have finally tracked him
> >> down. I went back to my old school a few months ago. I hadn't set foot
> >> in the place for about 26 years. When I explained to them why I was
> >> there, they immediately went into damage control. The last thing they
> >> wanted was someone like me going about telling horror stories, not
> >> good for business and all that. They were most co-operative in telling
> >> me his whereabouts. (Nambuka Heads, NSW they told me) They also tried
> >> to convince me that they are a reformed institution, and that "that
> >> sort of thing doesn't happen around here any more". Quite frankly, I
> >> don't believe them, and other people I know who have recently sent
> >> their kids there, support this view.
> >>
> >> I have cross posted this to alt.recovery.catholicism, and
> >> alt.christian.roman-catholic, in the unlikely event that Wellsmore or
> >> some of his cohorts read these groups.
> >>
> >> Wellsmore, in case you are reading this: you are more offensive than a
> >> large pile of dogshit, and the organisation you represent is a nasty
> >> cult of mind control run by paedophiles, bullies and sexual
> >> inadequates of which you are at least one, and very likely all three.
> >> (What sort of a man would closet himself away from women and surround
> >> himself with young boys?) Your mob could teach Scientology a thing or
> >> two. I bet Scientology obtained some of their ideas from the Vatican.
> >> After all, the Vatican cult has had centuries to perfect it's mind
> >> control techniques, abuse children, and get up to all sorts of other
> >> nastiness, and in spite of all this, it still manages to maintain a
> >> public facade of credibility and respect.
> >>
> >> If there is anyone reading this who is thinking about sending their
> >> kids to a Catholic school, DONT DO IT!!!. It might be your son or
> >> daughter who becomes the next victim of Catholic sexual abuse, and
> >> with the catholic clergy featuring prominently in current aids
> >> statistics, it could even send them to an early grave.
> >>
Darklady
> > I know this may be a sensitive subject, but as the widow of a man
who
> > committed suicide, do you think he might have benefited from some
> competent
> > talk therapy? Do you think the suicide might have stemmed, at least in
> > part, from keeping his fears and frustrations inside without learning
> > constructive ways to communicate them or properly identify them?
> Most definitely and he had a psychology degree among others. But as he
was
> growing up and something or someone hurt him he was taught to ignore it,
it
> wasn't a big deal. Anger wasn't allowed. I saw him angry twice in 18
> years. I thought he was "mature" I didn't know that every hurt was
hidden
> somewhere festering.
>
> When he became depressed he thought he could handle it all by himself and
no
> one knew. He shot himself one day and left a note.
>
> He had a wonderful life, a great career, a family that loved him. When I
am
> became ill he didn't ask anyone for help, he didn't share his fears. He
> acted like everything was perfect and he had everything in control. It
> destroyed him. Other people could have helped him develop strategies,
think
> of options, let him cry and share his pain.
>
> The macho man mentality can destroy lives.
My father pretty much showed two emotions when he was alive: anger and
irritation. Sometimes he was affectionate and joking but mostly he was angry
and resentful at a world that gave him everything he had wanted -- but not
quite the way he'd wanted. He yelled frequently, could become violent and
out of control, had a criticism for nearly everyone and everything -- and
smoked like a chimney to help him deal with all the adrenaline and tension
in his body. He stopped smoking for two years and reported feeling much
better than he had in a very long time. But he claimed that tensions
between him and my mom "drove" him back to smoking. He ate compulsively and
nervously and often just to piss my mom off. Because he wasn't in the
military anymore and couldn't easily project his frustration onto his
troops, he became very passive-aggressive. His blood pressure was sky high.
His teeth would drop out at unfortunate moments (like during a dinner when
we were celebrating my second AA). He only had one heart attack. That was
all it took.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.
Darklady
news:vkHA4.9794$kv6.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
> > >
> >
> > ???
> > Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
> > Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
>
> There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
> professional writer you are LOL
> J O K E
And you're a piece of work, Ed.
I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to trade
sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot comes
and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of -- and
suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
I played a blank tape at full volume. The mime who lives next door
complained.
arjay
<snip>
> My father pretty much showed two emotions when he was alive: anger and
> irritation. Sometimes he was affectionate and joking but mostly he was angry
> and resentful at a world that gave him everything he had wanted -- but not
> quite the way he'd wanted. He yelled frequently, could become violent and
> out of control, had a criticism for nearly everyone and everything -- and
> smoked like a chimney to help him deal with all the adrenaline and tension
> in his body. He stopped smoking for two years and reported feeling much
> better than he had in a very long time. But he claimed that tensions
> between him and my mom "drove" him back to smoking. He ate compulsively and
> nervously and often just to piss my mom off. Because he wasn't in the
> military anymore and couldn't easily project his frustration onto his
> troops, he became very passive-aggressive. His blood pressure was sky high.
> His teeth would drop out at unfortunate moments (like during a dinner when
> we were celebrating my second AA). He only had one heart attack. That was
> all it took.
In many ways, DL, you've just described /my/ father.
He was always a civilian (blind in one eye from youth), never quit smoking and
remained slim throughout his life.
But his dominant emotions were fear -- which he never admitted, even to
himself -- and anger, which he never acknowledged.
arjay
Oldguyteck
Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
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> Oldguyteck <granp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:vkHA4.9794$kv6.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
> > news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
> > > Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
> > > news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> > > > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Pax
> > >
> > > ???
> > > Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
> > > Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
> >
> > There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
> > professional writer you are LOL
> > J O K E
>
> And you're a piece of work, Ed.
> I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to trade
> sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot comes
> and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of -- and
> suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
> What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
So! WHAT did you prove ? That you cannot restrain yourself ..... even after
growing up ?
How long you been in ARC recovery now? Can we safely say your not getting
any benifite here ?
Let the RECOVERY begin if you would !
>
> --
> Darklady
> http://www.darklady.com
>
> I played a blank tape at full volume. The mime who lives next door
> complained.
>
Started in a hissing huh ? Mime type that is........
Dr. Sidethink
What have you got against baboons.?
Malcolm X-Files <biafrafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Pied Piper" <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
> news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
>
Dr. Sidethink
a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person, described
by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
SSRI has worked well for me.
Whether th' friggin' Proddies ( Edclone catholic types included) like it or
not
Excess SSR is biological, Inherited, and a source of much unhappiness to the
folks who have this "syndrome".
"Prayer works for some folks, but it works a lot better if they just dropped
Prozac or Paxil"
BTW fuck Sphigomundo Fraidy-cat and his marooner followers !!!
Fuck NEW-AGE faith healers.
BETTER LIVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY!!!
Politically correct :) now being supplied. (He said with a grin as he ripped
of f a skin...)
.
Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
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> AMBAN <amban...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:78MA4.30959$hT2.1...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> >
> > "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
> My father pretty much showed two emotions when he was alive: anger and
> irritation. Sometimes he was affectionate and joking but mostly he was
angry
> and resentful at a world that gave him everything he had wanted -- but not
> quite the way he'd wanted. He yelled frequently, could become violent and
> out of control, had a criticism for nearly everyone and everything -- and
> smoked like a chimney to help him deal with all the adrenaline and tension
> in his body. He stopped smoking for two years and reported feeling much
> better than he had in a very long time. But he claimed that tensions
> between him and my mom "drove" him back to smoking. He ate compulsively
and
> nervously and often just to piss my mom off. Because he wasn't in the
> military anymore and couldn't easily project his frustration onto his
> troops, he became very passive-aggressive. His blood pressure was sky
high.
> His teeth would drop out at unfortunate moments (like during a dinner when
> we were celebrating my second AA). He only had one heart attack. That was
> all it took.
>
>
Darklady
Dr. Sidethink <bobp...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> My Dad was enigmatic , having many of the behaviors your dad had, yet
> a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
> My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person, described
> by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
>
> SSRI has worked well for me.
Better living through modern chemistry, baby.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Just because it's toxic doesn't mean it's not tasty.
Darklady
> > > professional writer you are LOL
> > > J O K E
> >
> > And you're a piece of work, Ed.
> > I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to
trade
> > sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot
comes
> > and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of -- and
> > suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
> > What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
>
> So! WHAT did you prove ? That you cannot restrain yourself ..... even
after
> growing up ?
> How long you been in ARC recovery now? Can we safely say your not
getting
> any benifite here ?
>
> Let the RECOVERY begin if you would !
Once again even I stop for a moment, stunned by the impressive depth of
your cold-heartedness and bigotry.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Madame, all stories, if continued far enough, end in death, and he is no
true storyteller who would keep that from you.
-- Ernest Hemingway --
Dr. Sidethink
Time's up
He's now th' official pie-eyed piper of
PLONK CITY
The trimviruate (earl/ed/granpappy) (same guy)
is the Mayor
Peter Terry <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> Still mirror gazing I see. If you grew a second brain,
> I know youd still be lonely. Pity even Catholics tend to
> conclude your pretty much brain dead.
>
> You should change your handle from Pied Piper
> to Pious Pecker.
>
> PeterT
>
Oldguyteck
Dr. Sidethink <bobp...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> My Dad was enigmatic , having many of the behaviors your dad had, yet
> a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
> My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person, described
> by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
>
> SSRI has worked well for me.
>
or
> not
> Excess SSR is biological, Inherited, and a source of much unhappiness to
the
> folks who have this "syndrome".
> "Prayer works for some folks, but it works a lot better if they just
dropped
> Prozac or Paxil"
>
> BTW fuck Sphigomundo Fraidy-cat and his marooner followers !!!
> Fuck NEW-AGE faith healers.
>
> BETTER LIVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY!!!
>
> Politically correct :) now being supplied. (He said with a grin as he
ripped
> of f a skin...)
Yo! When I told ya to take the side-car I didn't mean to take the side-think
and go running of at the chops
Cussing up a storm did I ?
Try thinking on yer other side,,,,,, at least THINK about it..........
Ed......................(OldguyTeck)
> .
> Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
> news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
> > AMBAN <amban...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:78MA4.30959$hT2.1...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> > >
> > > "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
Peter Terry
Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
>news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
>> Oldguyteck <granp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:vkHA4.9794$kv6.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
>> > news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
>> > > Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
>> > > > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
>> > > >
>> > > > Pax
>> > >
>> > > ???
>> > > Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
>> > > Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
>> >
>> > There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
>> > professional writer you are LOL
>> > J O K E
>>
>> And you're a piece of work, Ed.
>> I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to trade
>> sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot
comes
>> and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of -- and
>> suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
>> What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
>
>So! WHAT did you prove ? That you cannot restrain yourself ..... even
after
>growing up ?
>How long you been in ARC recovery now? Can we safely say your not
getting
>any benifite here ?
>
>Let the RECOVERY begin if you would !
>>
hopki...@xtra.co.nz
>> What are your views Harmer? You're a catholic. You don't talk about it
>> much, do you?> Bill
Sorry to hear of your experence at the catholic school but abusing
people because of their faith only makes you seem the twisted nutter.
Whatever the causes as was suggested earlier put it behind you and get
on with life and a couple of punches to the head is not the end of the
world many people have had far worse.
And successfully got on with living and don,t need to go ranting and
abusing far and wide as this is dos,nt achieve anything.
Regards The Lorax..
Oldguyteck
> And so whats your excuse, old eddy?
Well simply put, don't need one, seeing as im not in need of recovery. I
haven;t turnt against or away from my Catholicism.
Why do you ask, you think I'm angry ? Many time dissapointment sets in
when I see some of these folks going off the deep end and acting like
perhaps it was I that caused their abuse........ I can saftely say I wasnt
there.
Any more than I was at the crusades or the witch hunts, or have I ever kept
slaves.........
Oldguyteck
>
> Dr. Sidethink <bobp...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:8b11hs$1...@chronicle.concentric.net...
> > My Dad was enigmatic , having many of the behaviors your dad had, yet
> > a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
> > My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person,
described
> > by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
> >
> > SSRI has worked well for me.
>
Hell be damd with side effects too eh ? Or how about the polution is
causes, then onwards to add to the
problems of misscarriages....... OH it's ALL relevant !
Ed....................(Oldguyteck)
Oldguyteck
> >
> > > There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
> > > > professional writer you are LOL
> > > > J O K E
> > >
> > > And you're a piece of work, Ed.
> > > I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to
> trade
> > > sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot
> comes
> > > and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of --
and
> > > suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
> > > What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
I must have missed your being called a name...... What name were you
called......?
Ed..................
> >
> > So! WHAT did you prove ? That you cannot restrain yourself ..... even
> after
> > growing up ?
> > How long you been in ARC recovery now? Can we safely say your not
> getting
> > any benifite here ?
> >
> > Let the RECOVERY begin if you would !
>
> Once again even I stop for a moment, stunned by the impressive depth
of
> your cold-heartedness and bigotry.
Nonsense DL , I have said it once I'll say it again you all too often talk
thrashy.
Also all too often you BRAG about it, I suppose thats because all your
friends in here stick up for
your unlady like behavior in that reguards...... + You seem to like to talk
like that, but then all of a sudden
you make a complete turnarround and talk relatively decent..... Thats why I
suggested you ither have more than
one person posting under your moniker or you have this split personality
that is in constant battle
OR your just BULLish in nature.
I sympathise with the hardships you endured...... But I still will not allow
myself to excuse your nasty throws.
I mean common, how many time have you told me to go F myself. I never told
you to do that.
I never told anyone here to go and do that.
Ed.....................(Oldguyteck)
Pied Piper
Pax
Dr. Sidethink <bobp...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> I try to give 'em a chance.
> Time's up
> He's now th' official pie-eyed piper of
> PLONK CITY
> The trimviruate (earl/ed/granpappy) (same guy)
> is the Mayor
>
> Peter Terry <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote in message
arjay
> Darklady wrote ...
> > Dr. Sidethink wrote ...
> > > My Dad was enigmatic , having many of the behaviors your dad had, yet
> > > a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
> > > My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person,
> described
> > > by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
> > >
> > > SSRI has worked well for me.
> >
> > Better living through modern chemistry, baby.
>
> Hell be damd with side effects too eh ? Or how about the polution is
> causes, then onwards to add to the
> problems of misscarriages....... OH it's ALL relevant !
Your comments are not relevant, as usual.
Dr. Sidethink may be male. Darklady has taken steps to prevent pregnancies.
Which of them -- in this conversation regarding legal anti-depressants -- is
vulnerable to a miscarriage?
arjay
Peter Terry
Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>> And so whats your excuse, old eddy?
>
>Well simply put, don't need one, seeing as im not in need of recovery. I
>haven;t turnt against or away from my Catholicism.
>
deprogramming might just be a more subtle way of putting it.
>Why do you ask, you think I'm angry ? Many time dissapointment sets in
>when I see some of these folks going off the deep end and acting like
>perhaps it was I that caused their abuse........ I can saftely say I wasnt
>there.
>
Well, you shouldn't feel so vulnerable unless your feeling a tad guilty
about something. Maybe its just the religion, it tends to reflect those
kinds
of things in one, right?
>Any more than I was at the crusades or the witch hunts, or have I ever kept
>slaves.........
>
Sure I can buy that..However you do subscribe to a church whose ruling on
contraception indirectly causes the deaths of hundreds of thousands of
black Africans who die from aids every year. Not to mention the millions of
unnecessary abortions by Catholics, that may have been avoided if the
Church encouraged the use of contraception.
There is more than one way of skinning a cat or killing a human!!
PeterT
>>
>> Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
>> >news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
>> >> Oldguyteck <granp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:vkHA4.9794$kv6.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> >> >
>> >> > Darklady <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:38d3...@news.nwlink.com...
>> >> > > Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:NoEA4.955$S3.2...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
>> >> > > > Another boo hoo victim story take it elsewhere.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Pax
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ???
>> >> > > Ah. Ok. You're an asshole.
>> >> > > Sorry I didn't recognize you immediately.
>> >> >
>> >> > There ya go again talking like a thrashy tramp......... Woooo nice
>> >> > professional writer you are LOL
>> >> > J O K E
>> >>
>> >> And you're a piece of work, Ed.
>> >> I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to
>trade
>> >> sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot
>> comes
>> >> and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of --
and
>> >> suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
>> >> What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
>> >
>> >So! WHAT did you prove ? That you cannot restrain yourself ..... even
>> after
>> >growing up ?
>> >How long you been in ARC recovery now? Can we safely say your not
>> getting
>> >any benifite here ?
>> >
>> >Let the RECOVERY begin if you would !
>> >>
Malcolm
> Wow. And here all along I thought it was having both X and Y
> chromosomes and external genitalia.
> Amazing what ya learn online, eh?
If a fourteen year-old girl wears make-up, goes to drinks parties, and then
gets engaged I would say she is claiming to be a grown woman, even if
chronologically she is still a girl. You are claiming to be a man in all
respects except (obviously) the biological.
> I take as much responsibility as I should.
> What information do you have about me that leads you to believe I'm
> "trying to shuffle it off on to someone else?"
> Is it the fact I'm female?
> Here's one of my stories:
[story of having sex to get a lift home]
> That does NOT, however, absolve these gentlemen from their abundant
> portion of blame and responsibility.
>
Well we could analyse exactly who is responsible, but I propose the
following, we will accept that it was not your fault as long as you accept
that you are a woman and also accept that you will be treated like a woman.
Does that sound fair ?
> "... straight from the pages of women's magazines?"
> Honey, you appear to know a lot more about those kinds of things than I
> do. Are you sure you're a man?
Teachers watch children's television. Similarly I like to know what is
filling women's minds. I can assure you I am quite male.
> I never suggested trying to forgive, so I'm
> not sure what that's all about. I figure gaining understanding is a lot
> more useful that worrying about forgiving anyone.
Harbouring anger or resentment is a very bad idea. Maybe "gaining
understanding" is your terminology for forgiving, maybe not.
> [Therapy] is considered a standard part of any
> approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues.
More jargon. "life trauma issues" might affect Americans, but we don't need
them over here.
We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want but
> it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness or
> problems dealing with others.
More pseudo-psychology. It's not entirely wrong that unexpressed anger can
cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Darklady
> > > > And you're a piece of work, Ed.
> > > > I tell a story of my youth, about how I found myself needing to
> > trade
> > > > sex for a safe way home at night as a young teenage girl, some idiot
> > comes
> > > > and calls me names, I respond with a word that you disapprove of --
> and
> > > > suddenly I'm "a thrashy tramp."
> > > > What a piece of work is Ed, infinite in faulty reason.
>
> I must have missed your being called a name...... What name were you
> called......?
I was informed that my story (regarding how I had to exchange sex for
rides home from work when I was 16 and 17) was "Another boo hoo victim
story..."
I don't consider myself a victim nor was my story meant to be a "boo hoo
story." I merely told what happened to me, accepted responsibilty for making
the choices I made and said that the men who took advantage of me still need
to bear a certain amount of the responsibility for their actions, as well.
> Nonsense DL , I have said it once I'll say it again you all too often
talk
> thrashy.
> Also all too often you BRAG about it, I suppose thats because all your
> friends in here stick up for
> your unlady like behavior in that reguards...... + You seem to like to
talk
> like that, but then all of a sudden
> you make a complete turnarround and talk relatively decent..... Thats why
I
> suggested you ither have more than
> one person posting under your moniker or you have this split personality
> that is in constant battle
> OR your just BULLish in nature.
(sigh)
I'm sorry I can't be consistently stupid like you, Ed.
You crack me up... you complain when I talk "thrash" and then complain
when I talk "relatively decent."
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Stay the patient course
Of little worth is your ire
The network is down
Darklady
news:8b2mo7$hg4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <38d2...@news.nwlink.com>,
> "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow. And here all along I thought it was having both X and Y
> > chromosomes and external genitalia.
> > Amazing what ya learn online, eh?
>
> If a fourteen year-old girl wears make-up, goes to drinks parties, and
then
> gets engaged I would say she is claiming to be a grown woman, even if
> chronologically she is still a girl. You are claiming to be a man in all
> respects except (obviously) the biological.
Not at all.
I am a woman. 100%.
You have defined being male as taking responsibilty for one's life. You
appear to be the only person working with this definition.
I make no claims to being male.
> > I take as much responsibility as I should.
> > What information do you have about me that leads you to believe I'm
> > "trying to shuffle it off on to someone else?"
> > Is it the fact I'm female?
> > Here's one of my stories:
> [story of having sex to get a lift home]
> > That does NOT, however, absolve these gentlemen from their abundant
> > portion of blame and responsibility.
> >
>
> Well we could analyse exactly who is responsible, but I propose the
> following, we will accept that it was not your fault as long as you accept
> that you are a woman and also accept that you will be treated like a
woman.
> Does that sound fair ?
I am a woman. I will be treated like a person by some people and a
woman by those who can only see my female body and define me by it.
Since I haven't figured out what you think treating someone like a woman
means, I'm not prepared to agree to your terms.
> > [Therapy] is considered a standard part of any
> > approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues.
>
> More jargon. "life trauma issues" might affect Americans, but we don't
need
> them over here.
So wherever "over here" is has no sexual abuse, no child abuse, nothing
to cause a person trauma, eh?
Are you living in Oz or Never Never Land?
It's obvious that the world has its share of traumatic events. The
children of Bindoon appear to be having a few "life trauma issues" and
they're not from the U.S.
> We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want but
> > it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness or
> > problems dealing with others.
>
> More pseudo-psychology. It's not entirely wrong that unexpressed anger can
> cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express that.
Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art, exercise,
community or religious participation, etc.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
The Tao that is seen
Is not the true Tao, until
You bring fresh toner.
Dr. Sidethink
moron
Anyone with more intelligence than pied-assed pseudopiper
( who thinks he is leading folks to the TRUTH by sayin "ya mutha"
to everyone)
thank you
fuck you
PLONK
Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
news:eGYA4.1992$S3.5...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> Another moron heard from, what rock did you crawl out from under Dr. Dink?
>
> Pax
>
>
> Dr. Sidethink <bobp...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:8b1cpe$g...@journal.concentric.net...
> > I try to give 'em a chance.
> > Time's up
> > He's now th' official pie-eyed piper of
> > PLONK CITY
> > The trimviruate (earl/ed/granpappy) (same guy)
> > is the Mayor
> >
> > Peter Terry <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote in message
Dr. Sidethink
He is 63, caucasian male, married retired Professor of Mathematics
Computer science. Logic and Music.
He is an "Ethnic" Catholic but would be regarded as a Heretic by the RCC
because of his consistent raving of Logical Positivist stuff.
He is a Pope in the 69th Heretical Clench of the Stark Fist of Removal
In Addition, he is well-versed in Joyce and Nabokov but rather shallow in
current trends in Literature.
BEFORE I FOUND PAXIL, I was still cool, but in a state of turmoil.
and COMPULSIVELY pissed off most of the time
about stuff that happened 30 years ago.
Anyone who thinks that elevated levels of SSR is a chosen state or a result
of
ORIGINAL SIN or Infantile sexuality are the same folks who
sit around haircut shops making fun of "Fags"
Same folks who think that Christ hates dope, but are drunk half of the
time and smoke 3 packs of terbaccy a day.
Talk about side effects!!!
arjay <ar...@deletenonline.net> wrote in message
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Oldguyteck
arjay <ar...@deletenonline.net> wrote in message
news:eF0B4.35723$Jz3.3...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> Oldguyteck wrote ...
> > Darklady wrote ...
> > > Dr. Sidethink wrote ...
> > > > My Dad was enigmatic , having many of the behaviors your dad had,
yet
> > > > a marvelos, witty and charismatic fellow (especially in public)
> > > > My history of Scruples left me as a compulsive and angry person,
> > described
> > > > by many as a "Mellower" edition of my Father.
> > > >
> > > > SSRI has worked well for me.
> > >
> > > Better living through modern chemistry, baby.
> >
> > Hell be damd with side effects too eh ? Or how about the polution is
> > causes, then onwards to add to the
> > problems of misscarriages....... OH it's ALL relevant !
>
> Your comments are not relevant, as usual.
> Dr. Sidethink may be male. Darklady has taken steps to prevent
pregnancies.
> Which of them -- in this conversation regarding legal anti-depressants --
is
> vulnerable to a miscarriage?
>
> arjay
Why don't you answer your own question ? Then again why even ask such a
foolish one ?
Malcolm
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> Not at all.
> I am a woman. 100%.
> You have defined being male as taking responsibilty for one's life. You
> appear to be the only person working with this definition.
> I make no claims to being male.
>
> I am a woman. I will be treated like a person by some people and a
> woman by those who can only see my female body and define me by it.
> Since I haven't figured out what you think treating someone like a woman
> means, I'm not prepared to agree to your terms.
>
So, you admit you are a woman, but want to be treated like a "person". How is
being treated like a person different from being treated like a man ? Is a
two year old a person ? Is it Ok to treat you just like a two year old ?
Surely you have some idea how I think women ought to be treated. Why not say
"I want to be treated as a woman but I think women should be treated like so
... " and then say how you want to be treated.
If you want to be treated like a man then I won't expect you to cry and say
how you didn't mean to sleep with those men in the car but circumstances made
you do it. From a woman this is Ok, as far as I'm concerned.
> So wherever "over here" is has no sexual abuse, no child abuse, nothing
> to cause a person trauma, eh?
> Are you living in Oz or Never Never Land?
Never Never Land is Britain. We have all those things, but until recently
people didn't think in terms of "life trauma". Now we've learnt from the
Americans and people go for counselling and sue hospitals or employers for
psychological trauma, just like you do in the States.
> Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express that.
> Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art, exercise,
> community or religious participation, etc.
>
The trick is not to habour resentment. Forgive.
Ellen Keuling
> http://search.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,84589+1,00.html
>
> Christian Brother
>
>
> member of either of two separate but similar congregations of Roman
Catholic
> laymen devoted to teaching youth.
>
> The Institute of the Brothers of Christian Schools (F.S.C.) was founded by
> St. Jean-Baptiste de La Salle at Reims, France, in 1684 for the education
of
> boys, especially of poor families; the congregation is now established on
> all continents. Besides teaching in elementary, secondary, and
> teacher-training schools, the brothers administer and staff colleges;
> agricultural schools; welfare or corrective schools; technical, trade, and
> commercial schools; and houses of retreat.
>
> The Congregation of the Brothers of the Christian Schools of Ireland
> (C.F.C.) was founded in 1802 in Waterford, Ire., by Edmund Ignatius Rice,
a
> merchant of that city. Rice established the order to serve the needs of
poor
> Catholic boys in his native land, where the English laws of the period
> prohibiting Catholic schools had reduced great numbers of Catholics to
> poverty and ignorance. The congregation spread to distant countries
largely
> as a result of Irish-born bishops seeking help in educating the youth of
> their dioceses. The brothers also conduct orphanages and institutions for
> the blind and deaf.
That's the order that runs my alma mater.... (I lived in Rice hall sophomore
year) fortunately, for the *most* part, they're an OK group.. my college
president (from the same order) and the other CFC brothers at Iona openly
opposed the Vatican when they started in with all that
catholic-colleges-must-be-really-catholic bullshit. They even granted
interviews to our school newspaper saying how horrible it would be for
catholic education if all teachers were required to be catholic and obey
church teachings, promoting them in the classroom, etc. I had many openly
agnostic professors...
One caused Catholic students to drop his class when stating "I will teach
jesus as I would teach Hitler . . . as a political figure with a great deal
of impact on society" when a student challenged leaving Jesus as God out of
his lecture.
Another calls himself someone 'recovering from catholic school . . . I'll
show you my scars if you show me yours'
Even the Irish Christian Brother in the employ of the humanities department
teaches the bible as literature in his capacity as RELIGIOUS professor in
the humanities classes. He is openly critical of the biblical treatment of
women, and assigned me the paper on feminist hermeneutics of the bible that
opened my eyes and caused me to leave Catholicism. His quote to me
regarding calling god a he "If god is man, man is god" He pointed out
strange and odd augustine philosophies, like masturbation being worse then
adultery.
The head of the Campus Ministry is an openly gay ex-navy (conscientious
objection) and ex-Maryknoll who has held symposiums in our college on the
issue of "Always Our Children". The aforementioned humanities professor
stood and supported the pro-gay rights position, using his incredible
knowledge of the Bible and Catholic theology to defend his opinion. The
sole voice of dissent at the controversial symposium was a young student.
A Buddhist was granted the competitive title of Student Minister. The head
of campus ministries even offered to help me start a gay-straight alliance
type club on campus. . .
And then there's my uncle. He is also an Irish Christian Brother, and is
pretty much the only one in my family that is still Catholic yet doesn't
give me crap about my paganism. He begins every prayer with 'let us put
ourselves in the presence of whomever we call god' (He leads prayers for the
college at every major function) And refuses to call god 'He' instead using
the word god and never a pronoun. In conversations with me, he has stated
open disagreement with the papacy, and explained the reasons Catholic
catechism allows this. He has his doctorate, and besides being a professor
and administrator at my college, spends his free time working at soup
kitchens and halfway houses, etc...
On the other hand, there *is* the brother who left for sabbatical in Africa
quite suddenly... noone is supposed to know, but through my connections I
discovered that he was accused of sexual misbehavior (not as serious as I'm
sure many here have endured, but any of that nature is inexcusable) by a
student whom I know quite well, and I know would not lie about such a thing.
She was a devout catholic and student minister at that.. and I would assume
her religious beliefs enabled them to persuade her to quietly transfer out.
These instances were kept quite discreet, I only found out about them
because I have so many friends in the campus ministry circle (they run all
the volunteer and charity work, as well as the political protests, etc) and
veiled references to it in my presence by my family has pretty much
confirmed all this in my mind.
I have no point here, obviously. I hope you will not interpret this in any
way to be a criticism of your experiences, etc. I suppose the location of
my college (New York) and the atmosphere of intellectualism at a college
can produce different results.
You have every right to blame the brother who did this to you, and the
school for letting it happen, and especially the Catholic Church for
creating the system in which these sort of things happen so frequently. But
I don't think there's anything particular about this order that makes it any
worse then the others... Or at the very least there are a few concentrated
good exceptions to this rule over here....
on the whole, almost all the nuns I have known in the Sisters of Mercy have
been sadistic bitches who take every opportunity to be mean to their young
students.. I was berated all throughout elementary school... and thusly I
had the same perception of that order. I think it's elementary schools in
particular that can cause this perception... something about the type of
people who chose to work with the youngest of children, or perhaps the kind
of people that aren't intelligent enough to get higher teaching positions..
lends itself to more then its share of bad apples.
Berate the whole damn order if you want... its the least of your rights
after what you went though. But I am very close with my uncle, and he's one
of the people I admire and respect most in the world, so I just couldn't
keep my big mouth shut... The only GOOD catholics I have known have been
CFC's... isn't that funny?
That being said, bash away, I would never hold that from you.. just as long
as I've said my piece =)
Darklady
> In article <38d5...@news.nwlink.com>,
> "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > Not at all.
> > I am a woman. 100%.
> > You have defined being male as taking responsibilty for one's life. You
> > appear to be the only person working with this definition.
> > I make no claims to being male.
> >
>
> > I am a woman. I will be treated like a person by some people and a
> > woman by those who can only see my female body and define me by it.
> > Since I haven't figured out what you think treating someone like a woman
> > means, I'm not prepared to agree to your terms.
> >
>
> So, you admit you are a woman, but want to be treated like a "person". How
is
> being treated like a person different from being treated like a man ? Is a
> two year old a person ? Is it Ok to treat you just like a two year old ?
> Surely you have some idea how I think women ought to be treated. Why not
say
> "I want to be treated as a woman but I think women should be treated like
so
> ... " and then say how you want to be treated.
As I said, since you have not defined how you treat a woman, I'm not
prepared to agree to your terms.
I also don't know how you define treating a man.
The proper treatment of people, however, doesn't really take their sex
into consideration. It means treating each person based on their behavior,
opinions and the like. You know, the whole Martin Luther King Jr. "quality
of their character" sorta thing.
There's no need to treat me "like a woman" unless you are interacting
with me in a manner in which my sex is of importance. I can't imagine what
that would be via Usenet.
I treat children and adults with the same basic "person" philosophy. I
find what level they can communicate at, what their preferences are on a
number of things and then work from there. Some children are brighter than
some adults I know, so I'm certainly not going to talk to them like they're
less intelligent or immature if they prove to be intelligent and mature.
Since you appear unable to know how to treat the people you meet like
people, I'm not sure *how* you think women should be treated. I could
certainly draw some conclusions from how you've behaved up to this point,
but I don't know if that would be fair to you or not.
And finally, I *don't* "'want to be treated as a woman but I think women
should be treated like so." I want to be treated like a person. Because
what I am before I'm anything else. I don't want to be treated "like a
woman" or "like a white woman" or "like a person who wears glasses" or like
"a long haired woman" or any other sub-set of my personhood.
> If you want to be treated like a man then I won't expect you to cry and
say
> how you didn't mean to sleep with those men in the car but circumstances
made
> you do it. From a woman this is Ok, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't recall crying. Perhaps you are projecting your
ever-so-enlightened views on womanhood onto me?
I did say that I made some unfortunate choices but that they were the
best options available to me.
I'm also not sure where you get the idea I slept with anyone. I allowed
some men to fuck me after they locked the doors of their vehicle, drove me
into remote areas and then let me know I could put out or find another way
home.
I find it revealing that you're focusing on my sexual past and not the
physical and emotional abuse I received as a child. Perhaps it's not as
dick-stiffening for you?
> > Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express that.
> > Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art,
exercise,
> > community or religious participation, etc.
> >
> The trick is not to habour resentment. Forgive.
Gee, weren't you just chiding me for allegedly urging forgiveness?
I have no interest in forgiving the men who drove me into the woods and
demanded sex. What's to forgive? They were doing something very wrong. I can
understand that they were probably pretty fucked up individuals who
probably don't live very happy lives but I'm not going to *forgive* them for
what they did to me. Forgiveness would require far more emotion on my part
than they deserve.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes.
Peter Terry
90% of paxos responses contain the words moron and cretin.
He is your classical birdbrain, whose intellect never surpasses
gazing at his ultra ego in a mirror.
PeterT
Dr. Sidethink wrote in message <8b3c76$e...@journal.concentric.net>...
Pied Piper
on any of the topics he professes knowledge in. Learn the lesson mate, St.
jack, JHC and the other of the trio already learned the lesson you are
either to stupid or stubborn to admit, you know nothing of Historical Jesus
scholarship.
Pax
Peter Terry <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote in message
news:95350703...@subsonic.fan.net.au...
Peter Terry
Dont be so belligerent...When you actually post anything which even
slightly resembles your own research on the historical Jesus, I will engage.
Incidentally, I am still waiting for you to provide your evidence that
supports your claim that records exist in Jewish and Roman antiquities,
which prove the existence of an historical Jesus. Remember, we have
already dealt with Josephus.
PeterT
Pied Piper wrote in message <7qhB4.3029$S3.8...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>...
BR
<brian....@vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:25:44 GMT, spam...@noonehome.com (BR) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:51:22 +1300, Brian M. Harmer
>><brian....@vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>>>Furthermore, this is nz.general and we
>
>>Who's "we"?
>All the people of nz.general.
Well I wasn't consulted. That is probably because I spend a lot less
time here than most of the regular posters.
>A full RFD process was held with full
>and frank debate and then it was put to the vote and carried by a
>substantial majority and adopted in accordance with the protocols of
>Internet.
I believe that this topic is relevant to nz.general. It concerns a
school in NZ. That school is still operational, and according to the
mother of a boy who goes there, they are still up to no good. I am not
going to go into details here for obvious reasons. This topic is more
about abuse than religion. Just because it is a so-called religious
organisation that is under discussion does not mean that it should be
confined exclusively to religious newsgroups.
>>>set up nz.soc.religion in an
>>>attempt to keep religious bigots from flooding this group with
>>>irrelevant proselytising, for or against particular sects. I have no
>>>interest in entering debate in those other groups, so my reply is to
>>>nz.general only.
>
>>Please yourself, but I will post what I like and where I like, with or
>>without your approval.
>
>Oh I agree that _my_ approval is irrelevant. You merely demonstrate an
>attitude that is different to Wellsmore's only in degree. "I can do
>what I like"
Well like I said before, I believe that it is relevant to NZ. I
brought the other two newsgroups into this because what is being
discussed here is relevant to them also, and I had thought that it
would provoke a good debate. Note that one newsgroup is pro catholic
and the other one is anti. A balanced discussion was the main intent.
>>The main reason that I asked you in particular, is that in the past
>>when you have disagreed with some of the things that I have said here,
>>you have seen fit to give me a public telling off in a manner not
>>unlike that of a catholic schoolmaster.
>
No, that wasn't it. It was something to do with the handing over of
public land to the Maoris. It was about a year and a half ago, maybe
2. I can't remember all the details. It's another story, so let's not
go there; I don't want to get started on that one. I have changed my
email header several times since then to avoid being spammed. I'm
sorry if I sounded abrupt. That's the anger talking. I have recently
started trying to deal with anger. The person who started this thread
posted something that I can readily identify with.
>>It came as no surprise to me when you said that you are a catholic.
>
>My goodness! When I said that I was a Catholic? I have never hidden
>that fact. I have been posting on this group since '93, and have said
>so in the few circumstances that warranted it. I acknowledge it on my
>web page. I say it as a statement of fact. I don't feel the need to
>defend that.
I don't spend as much time on these groups as many of the people here,
so I probably missed it.
>(personal abuse snipped)
Hey, don't take it personally. It's not just you. It was me once, and
there are millions of others in the same trap. What saved my arse is
that my father was not a catholic. It was his influence that allowed
me to break the chain at a relatively early age.
>>>In later years, I recall a case where abuse occurred at a
>>>Hamilton Marist school. It was not handled well, if I recall it
>>>correctly.
>
>>Do you mean that they tried to cover it up?
>
>Yes they did. Silly really.
>
>>>I can honestly say that in my time at St Paul's (1956-1962) I never
>>>encountered anything of a sexual or abusive nature. In fact I regard
>>>the men who taught me as a very fine bunch of really good teachers,
>>>and men who chose their vocation out of a genuine conviction about
>>>what was right. I admire the Marist brothers to this day, and I still
>>>know some.
>
>>Of course not. That sort of thing was never talked about openly in
>>those days. If such a thing happened, I doubt that the victim would
>>have dared to talk about it.
>
>My own belief is that it did not happen.
Just because you don't believe something, doesn't mean that it isn't
true. Of course you may be right; then again you might be wrong. You
will never know the truth. Is child abuse by teachers is more
prevalent these days, or is it more reported? During the time you were
at school, the door of the closet would have been firmly shut. Did any
of the kids know what a homosexual or a paedophile was back then? When
I was at primary school, the teachers used to tell us never to get
into a car with a stranger, but we couldn't understand why a stranger
would want to lure us into a car. We innocently assumed that they were
kidnappers.
In the early 1970s when I was at high school, the door of the closet
was just starting to creak open, but even in 1973 I knew a kid who
didn't know what sex was. When we explained it to him, he didn't
believe us. He came from a strict catholic household, and wasn't
allowed to mix with the neighbourhood non-catholic kids. Sad really.
>>>I travelled on ferries and after the bridge was built, buses from
>>>Birkenhead every day with quite a number St Peters boys, none of whom
>>>gave any indication of the sort of experience you had. Boys may well
>>>keep secrets from their parents and other adults, but they usually
>>>tell their mates.
>>
>>Sexual abusers are very skilled at knowing who is likely to tell and
>>who isn't.
>
>And conspiracy theorists are skilled at ignoring what they want to
>ignore.
>
>>>And they were proud of their school. I never knew
>>>Wellsmore, but I still know a number of St Peters Old boys who hold
>>>their school and the Christies in high regard. Your experience was
>>>obviously bad. I regret that.
I have met up with some of the people I went to school with over the
years since I left, and I can't remember a single ex pupil who thought
that St Peter's College in Epsom was anything but a shithole. I met an
ex pupil about 2 years ago who was one class down from me, who told me
that he once attempted to organise a class reunion, but every
classmate that he contacted told him that they hated the place and
just wanted to forget about it. The reunion didn't happen.
>>Yeah, and it wasn't just Wellsmore either. There was this other
>>teacher, a brother Monagle, the deputy headmaster no less, who used to
>>go round the class, cane in hand, and ask questions pertaining to the
>>previous days lesson, and if you got it wrong, WALLOP!
>
>I don't know what period (years) you are talking about, but there was
>a time when this was quite normal pedagogical practice, especially
>where boys were being taught. The same kinds of things happened at
>Auckland Grammar, Mt Albert Grammar, Northcote College, Takapuna
>Grammar to name just a few where friends or acquaintances learned
>their french verbs or periodic table of elements in the knowledge
>that, if you didn't know them next day, corporal punishment would be
>applied. It was not regarded as unusual or brutal at that time.
I don't believe that the cane ever amounted to an effective cure for
academic failure. However, I have never supported the total abolition
of corporal punishment in schools. It just needed to be better
regulated. For instance, the government could have passed a law which
stipulated that only the headmaster be allowed to administer it, and
perhaps a requirement for it to be witnessed and documented could have
been implemented also. That would of eliminated the sort of idiocy
described in the next paragraph. The problem with St Peters was not
corporal punishment per se, just the whole dark and oppressive mood
that goes with the territory of an institution that has men living
together in a hostel arrangement, forbidden to have any physical
contact with women, and surrounded five days a week by boys. Many
people would consider such a lifestyle to be extremely unnatural. This
sort of existence would appeal to men who were predisposed to
paedophilia, homosexuality, or sexual inadequacy.
When I was at primary school in 1969 at St Mary's convent in
Ellerslie, another catholic cult driven educational institution, we
were made to stand in line at assembly every morning. Our teacher, a
nun, Sister Rhuadin, (I think that's how you spell it) used to walk up
and down each side of our line with strap in hand, swinging it
violently to and fro, with the express purpose of straightening the
line, because anyone out of alignment would catch the strap on their
legs; a bit like a planing machine! This old bitch knew no other
punishment apart from the strap. Like an armed militia, she was never
seen in public without it. Of course, it quickly lost it's power to
frighten anyone because it was quite commonplace for someone to be
strapped several times in one day for almost any transgression, so
everyone became desensitised to it. One day a bad tempered Irish kid
kicked the wicked old harridan in the shins. Served her right as far
as I'm concerned.
>(More personal abuse snipped)
No, not personal abuse, just an account of the facts. Of course, you
are programmed not to believe anything that conflicts with your
pre-ordained Vatican sanctioned view of the church and it's
institutions. Nothing is likely change that.
>>What's his name?
>
>I will identify only the school which was Hutt Intermediate.
>
>>>And if I recall correctly, the much publicised district
>>>high school at Kawakawa where young girls were abused over a period of
>>>many years is also a state school.
>
>>What was this abuser's name ?
>The school is sufficient. It was in all the media and covered in great
>depth on 60 minutes or similar. It was in the last three years.
>
>>No they are not, but the catholic church puts itself high up on a
>>plinth, and declares itself defender of the faith. They preach and
>>pontificate from a position of a self invented moral high ground. They
>>are hypocrites.
>
>(remaining bigotry snipped).
No, it's not bigotry at all. You are unable to accept the reasoning in
the deleted portion of the text because the church, using the
tethering effect of it's mind control techniques, has prevented you
from stepping outside the square, even for an instant. You are unable
to consider the possibility that I might, just might have a point. You
have closed your mind to any explanation, apart from that which is
sanctioned by the Vatican, and because they have rendered you
powerless to see the situation any other way, you accuse me of
personal abuse and bigotry, an accusation that is compatible with the
mental core programming that has been instilled in you from an early
age, and has been with you all your life. I don't blame you for not
wanting to push the execute button on that one.
>I am still sorry that people you should have been able to trust,
>failed in that duty of trust.
Hey, you don't have to apologise to me; you yourself were not guilty
of these things, just the cult organisation that you are caught up in
and are a victim of.
>As I tried to say to you in a previous post, I prefer that any witness
>to my faith is in the way I live and the values I have rather than in
>words.
Here you have a golden opportunity to be keeper of the faith. You have
the chance to defend your faith in the face of the allegations I have
made against the Vatican, and debunk a somewhat popular idea that the
vatican is a corrupt, greedy and oppressive organisation.
>For that reason, I will not participate further in the
>discussion because it will clearly degenerate into more personal
>venom.
Now who's the sensitive flower? I do not wish to direct any "venom"
towards you personally, but I will not refrain from stating my true
feelings with respect to the Vatican, just to avoid causing offence.
Bill.
Malcolm
Terry" <rua...@fan.net.au> wrote:
> Incidentally, I am still waiting for you to provide
> your evidence that
> supports your claim that records exist in Jewish and
> Roman antiquities,
> which prove the existence of an historical Jesus.
> Remember, we have
> already dealt with Josephus.
There are several apocryphal gospels from an early date, as
well as the letters and gospels recorded in the New
Testament. Some anti-Christian literature exists, and no-
one ever suggests that Jesus is invented.
Also the dispute between Peter and Paul is unlikely to have
been fabricated. Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and Peter
is held to have been his chief apostle. It is stretching
credibility to say that Jesus was made up by St Paul.
A historical person who was called Jesus and preached in
Palestine during the first century certainly existed, and
we have as much evidence for Jesus as we have for St Peter
or St Paul or many Roman Emperors.
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Malcolm
> As I said, since you have not defined how you
> treat a woman, I'm not
> prepared to agree to your terms.
> I also don't know how you define treating a man.
I'm a games programmer. We buy each other beers, talk about
football and games (we're making a football game), and plan
to leave the company and set on our own. That's what we do
all day.
> The proper treatment of people, however, doesn't
> really take their sex into consideration.
Yes it does. A man tried to dance with me at a nightclub
once and found himself thrown onto the floor. I think he
deserved that. Would it have been OK to do the same thing
had it been a woman ?
> There's no need to treat me "like a woman" unless
> you are interacting
> with me in a manner in which my sex is of importance.
> I can't imagine what that would be via Usenet.
Like the current thread, started by a man who was claiming
victim status and not realising that this is not an option
for men. Don't you think that your sex is of importance all
the time ? Mine certainly is.
> I treat children and adults with the same basic
> "person" philosophy.
If you were a teacher or a mother you would soon realise
that this is almost impossible to do. It is highly unlikely
that you treat children as anything other than inferiors -
most women don't.
> And finally, I *don't* "'want to be treated as a
> woman but I think women
> should be treated like so." I want to be treated like
> a person. Because
> what I am before I'm anything else. I don't want to be
> treated "like a
> woman" or "like a white woman" or "like a person who
> wears glasses" or like
> "a long haired woman" or any other sub-set of my
> personhood.
I want to be treated like a white heterosexual male of high
intelligence and with a beard. I am ashamed of none of
these things, especially the beard (women have asked me to
shave it off but it is staying). Two year old children are
people, but I do not want to be treated like a two year-
old.
> I don't recall crying. Perhaps you are projecting your
> ever-so-enlightened views on womanhood onto me?
Well you should cry, especially if you want sympathy.
> I did say that I made some unfortunate choices but
> that they were the best options available to me.
I really find that hard to believe. Do you wish I'd been
around at the time ?
> I'm also not sure where you get the idea I slept
> with anyone. I allowed
> some men to fuck me after they locked the doors of
> their vehicle, drove me
> into remote areas and then let me know I could put out
> or find another way
> home.
You see I don't treat women the same as men. I don't think
women should be allowed to use bad language, for example
(I'm not saying I like it from men but sometimes it's
justifiable).
> I find it revealing that you're focusing on my
> sexual past and not the
> physical and emotional abuse I received as a child.
> Perhaps it's not as dick-stiffening for you?
Caught out. You should talk about your sexual activites to
men unless you want them to focus on that. I should of
course be full of equal sympathy and concern for your
experiences as a child.
Do you think this has maybe damaged your ability to make
relationships with men ?
> I have no interest in forgiving the men who drove
> me into the woods and demanded sex. What's to forgive?
They exploited your vulnerability and lack of confidence.
You have been deeply wronged (and this remains true even if
it was partly your fault).
> Forgiveness would require far more emotion on my part
> than they deserve.
But you're the one who doesn't want to repress feelings.
Darklady
<snip>
> Well like I said before, I believe that it is relevant to NZ. I
> brought the other two newsgroups into this because what is being
> discussed here is relevant to them also, and I had thought that it
> would provoke a good debate. Note that one newsgroup is pro catholic
> and the other one is anti. A balanced discussion was the main intent.
Regardless of what some of the Usenet trolls will insist, a.r.c. isn't
technically "anti-Catholic." We are, however, ex-Catholics who have some
pretty strong opinions about aspects of the Church and its official
policies.
<snip>
> Hey, don't take it personally. It's not just you. It was me once, and
> there are millions of others in the same trap. What saved my arse is
> that my father was not a catholic. It was his influence that allowed
> me to break the chain at a relatively early age.
Let's hear it for our non-Catholic mixed-marriage parents!
Saved my bacon, that's for sure.
<snip>
> I don't believe that the cane ever amounted to an effective cure for
> academic failure. However, I have never supported the total abolition
> of corporal punishment in schools. It just needed to be better
> regulated. For instance, the government could have passed a law which
> stipulated that only the headmaster be allowed to administer it, and
> perhaps a requirement for it to be witnessed and documented could have
> been implemented also.
However you folks in the UK wind up configuring your corporal punishment
in school, we folks in the BDSM and adult industry owe you a deep debt. The
California Star British Corporal Punishment series is a direct result of all
the gloriously arcane ritual abuses incorporated into the social system.
We could never pull off such a successful series of erotic instruction
tapes. Our violence is so much less well organized and institutionalized.
Combine that with a good Catholic upbringing and you've got a rich
heritage to be mined for adult video profits. <g>
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Darklady
news:2b56ba8f...@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com...
> In article <38d5...@news.nwlink.com>, "Darklady"
> <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > As I said, since you have not defined how you
> > treat a woman, I'm not
> > prepared to agree to your terms.
> > I also don't know how you define treating a man.
> I'm a games programmer. We buy each other beers, talk about
> football and games (we're making a football game), and plan
> to leave the company and set on our own. That's what we do
> all day.
Don't drink beer usually, although you can buy me a nice loger and lime
or a tasty McMinnamin's Ruby microbrew.
I don't watch or play football, but will happily discuss Quake or the
history of 3-D, 1st Person games and their game engines.
I can't do this all day, however. I have a career, see, and it's eaten
a goodly portion of my life. Thus the majority of my drinking and gaming is
done from right where sit.
And ya know, in all my years of drinking and gaming I have *never* been
mistaken for a man, although I've been treated as an equal by all the men
who've been through the door.
> > The proper treatment of people, however, doesn't
> > really take their sex into consideration.
> Yes it does. A man tried to dance with me at a nightclub
> once and found himself thrown onto the floor. I think he
> deserved that. Would it have been OK to do the same thing
> had it been a woman ?
No more so than it was to have done so with a man. Both actions are
equally inappropriate in my opinion.
Women are raised to say, "No thank you" and move on. What if every
woman who'd been disinterested in your attention had thrown you to the
floor? Oh, that's right... your intense manliness has probably overcome the
flickering indecision of any woman you've ever met.
> > There's no need to treat me "like a woman" unless
> > you are interacting
> > with me in a manner in which my sex is of importance.
> > I can't imagine what that would be via Usenet.
> Like the current thread, started by a man who was claiming
> victim status and not realising that this is not an option
> for men. Don't you think that your sex is of importance all
> the time ? Mine certainly is.
I don't recall him claiming "victim status." I do remember him posting
about something nasty that happened to him and expressing that it's
something that still pisses him off and he thinks should be addressed by
those involved. *You* labeled him a "victim."
I don't recall you being in charge of this thread, defining terms for
the rest of the English language speakers of the world or even contributing
anything of much value to the conversation.
So far all I've seen is you trying to insult me and the original
poster... and not doing so in a manner likely to convince many people of the
accuracy of your statements.
> > I treat children and adults with the same basic
> > "person" philosophy.
> If you were a teacher or a mother you would soon realise
> that this is almost impossible to do. It is highly unlikely
> that you treat children as anything other than inferiors -
> most women don't.
I'm not "most women" and certainly don't appear to be like any you've
been able to convince to spend time in your ever-so-appealing presence.
> > And finally, I *don't* "'want to be treated as a
> > woman but I think women
> > should be treated like so." I want to be treated like
> > a person. Because
> > what I am before I'm anything else. I don't want to be
> > treated "like a
> > woman" or "like a white woman" or "like a person who
> > wears glasses" or like
> > "a long haired woman" or any other sub-set of my
> > personhood.
> I want to be treated like a white heterosexual male of high
> intelligence and with a beard. I am ashamed of none of
> these things, especially the beard (women have asked me to
> shave it off but it is staying). Two year old children are
> people, but I do not want to be treated like a two year-
> old.
Perhaps if you demonstrated some of that "high intelligence" it would
get the standing applause you appear to think it deserves.
> > I don't recall crying. Perhaps you are projecting your
> > ever-so-enlightened views on womanhood onto me?
> Well you should cry, especially if you want sympathy.
I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm seeking shared understanding.
It's so odd that you can't tell those apart given how "highly
intelligent" you find yourself.
Perhaps it's raw intelligence and not actually applicable to real-life
experiences? I know plenty of geniuses who can't remember to bathe and
don't understand human interactions one bit.
> > I did say that I made some unfortunate choices but
> > that they were the best options available to me.
> I really find that hard to believe. Do you wish I'd been
> around at the time ?
I don't particularly wish you were around now, so why on earth would I
want you to have been around "at the time?"
What I wish is that I'd been able to get my parents to pick me up after
work, given that it was usually 1am by the time I got off and I was 16 years
old with no way home. Or it would have been nice if the people I had worked
with had given me the rides home without requesting sexual favors from me in
exchange. It would have been helpful to have been able to talk to my
parents about these things, too. Or that I'd been able to find a job closer
to home. Many things would have been nice to have had happen -- but didn't.
> > I'm also not sure where you get the idea I slept
> > with anyone. I allowed
> > some men to fuck me after they locked the doors of
> > their vehicle, drove me
> > into remote areas and then let me know I could put out
> > or find another way
> > home.
> You see I don't treat women the same as men. I don't think
> women should be allowed to use bad language, for example
> (I'm not saying I like it from men but sometimes it's
> justifiable).
Ah, poor baby can't control what comes out of other people's mouths.
Perhaps you and Oldguytek oughta become pen pals?
I learned my profanities at my daddy's knee and will use them as I see
fit. Does it bother you to see a woman live her life without seeking the
approval of a man?
> > I find it revealing that you're focusing on my
> > sexual past and not the
> > physical and emotional abuse I received as a child.
> > Perhaps it's not as dick-stiffening for you?
> Caught out. You should talk about your sexual activites to
> men unless you want them to focus on that. I should of
> course be full of equal sympathy and concern for your
> experiences as a child.
I don't give a ripe fuck what you're full of... in fact, I've got a few
suggestions of what it is you *are* full of. :)
You asked some questions, I replied with personal information. You
proclaimed it crying and now further attempt to ridicule my experiences and
my sharing of them. I mentioned the physical and emotional abuse in the
same sentence as the sexual stuff -- but you only latched onto the sexual
stuff. Whatever. Focus on it to your heart's content, but don't whine when
someone points out your obsession. What was that about taking
responsibility for your actions?
And ultimately, I'll talk about my sexual activities until the cows come
home if I want. That's what I get paid to do, game programmer.
> Do you think this has maybe damaged your ability to make
> relationships with men ?
I have fine relationships with men, so you're shooting down the wrong
alley if you're going to try that tactic.
> > I have no interest in forgiving the men who drove
> > me into the woods and demanded sex. What's to forgive?
> They exploited your vulnerability and lack of confidence.
> You have been deeply wronged (and this remains true even if
> it was partly your fault).
Exactly. It sucks and I wish it hadn't happened. But I am the person I
am today in part because of my unfortunate as well as fortunate experiences.
And all in all, I'm pretty pleased with who I am.
> > Forgiveness would require far more emotion on my part
> > than they deserve.
> But you're the one who doesn't want to repress feelings.
I'm not repressing my feelings. I'm deciding which ones are worth my
time and energy. Forgiving some punk jerks who took advantage of me as a
teen isn't on the list.
June King
In article <38d8f3b8...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, BR (spam...@noonehome.com) writes:
>
>When I was at primary school in 1969 at St Mary's convent in
>Ellerslie, another catholic cult driven educational institution, we
>were made to stand in line at assembly every morning. Our teacher, a
>nun, Sister Rhuadin, (I think that's how you spell it) used to walk up
>and down each side of our line with strap in hand, swinging it
>violently to and fro, with the express purpose of straightening the
>line, because anyone out of alignment would catch the strap on their
>legs; a bit like a planing machine! This old bitch knew no other
>punishment apart from the strap. Like an armed militia, she was never
>seen in public without it. Of course, it quickly lost it's power to
>frighten anyone because it was quite commonplace for someone to be
>strapped several times in one day for almost any transgression, so
>everyone became desensitised to it. One day a bad tempered Irish kid
>kicked the wicked old harridan in the shins. Served her right as far
>as I'm concerned.
When I was a little kid (just over 50 yrs ago!), I went for a couple
of weeks with my Aunty's kids to a convent primary school in
Dunedin. It was only 3 classes big. Came sports day and there were
sack races & "three-legged" races and we were all tripping and
falling over each other in hilarity. Then when we went back into
school there was a nun sitting on a low stool in the doorway
strapping every pair of legs as we filed past. I was the only one
who cried -- from shock, not hurt; the others were used to it.
..........June.
Miranda Writes
<donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article <38d5...@news.nwlink.com>, "Darklady"
> <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > As I said, since you have not defined how you
> > treat a woman, I'm not
> > prepared to agree to your terms.
> > I also don't know how you define treating a man.
> I'm a games programmer. We buy each other beers, talk about
> football and games (we're making a football game), and plan
> to leave the company and set on our own. That's what we do
> all day.
>
> > The proper treatment of people, however, doesn't
> > really take their sex into consideration.
> Yes it does. A man tried to dance with me at a nightclub
> once and found himself thrown onto the floor. I think he
> deserved that. Would it have been OK to do the same thing
> had it been a woman ?
>
OooOoooOoh, Mal-colm- you're _ so- macho ( snicker). Here in the
US we call men like you " closet cases". Folks, what's the U.K. term for
men like this- " pantry poofters" ?
M/M
Have a drink on me, studboy. It's ok if a lady buys you a drink, right?
"Blow Job"
1/2 shot Kahlua
Whipped cream
Top with the cream. No hands, tilt your head back and swallow.
Malcolm X-Files
"Pied Piper" <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
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> Poor baby, its called discipline. Something lacking in schools today as
is
> evident by all the school shootings and other violent acts perpetrated on
> both students and teachers.
You haven't a clue about why the school shootings happened. Furthermore,
there isn't any statistical evidence that school violence is really on the
rise. What you have is more publicity when it happens in middle class
suburban schools. When inner city schools have these kinds of violent
crimes, the media pays them scant attention.
Black and Hispanic kids dying aren't as newsworthy, it would seem.
--
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Darklady
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> Poor baby, its called discipline. Something lacking in schools today as
is
> evident by all the school shootings and other violent acts perpetrated on
> both students and teachers.
Yeah, nothing like the good old days of racial violence and sexual
discrimination.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Televangelists: The pro wrestlers of religion.
arjay
> Darklady wrote ...
<snip>
> > > More pseudo-psychology. It's not entirely wrong that unexpressed anger
> can
> > > cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
> >
> > Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express that.
> > Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art,
> > exercise, community or religious participation, etc.
>
> Does that include banging your head against a brick wall, then cussing about
> the results, or reason you did.?
Edgerton, the very worst thing about your cheap shots is that none of them are
funny.
We would be in your debt if you would find a brick wall and try the experiment
you suggest.
You needn't include the cussing, for I'm sure that if an expletive ever passed
your sanctimonious lips the heavens would open, the ground would part, the seas
would rise, the polar ice caps would melt, and all copies everywhere of the film
"The Sound of Music," along with all Lawrence Welk videotapes, would
simultaneously burst into flame.
arjay
> Ed....................(Oldguyteck)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Darklady
> > http://www.darklady.com
> >
> >
Malcolm X-Files
"Pied Piper" <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
news:LACB4.4181$S3.11...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> Yes a lack of discipline and moral decay of our society.
Society isn't really all that decayed. There have been periods in history
similar to this. History is cyclical.
The bleeding
> hearts blame violence on tv and movies yattayattayatta,
I assume you mean liberals. No, it isn't liberals that blame the media,
it's conservatives. And the next thing that comes out of their mouth is the
promotion of censorship.
but it is the lack
> of any boundries, and noing the difference between right and wrong.
>
> If you expect me to enable you and play into your victim mentality you
will
> be a long time waiting. Time to take responsibility for your life, and
grow
> up.
Psychobabble, and poorly rendered at that.
You're really a fucking loon, pax.
--
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>
>
> Pax
>
>
>
AMBAN
"Miranda Writes" <Mon...@out-of-your-mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Monroe-2003...@user-2ivf5al.dialup.mindspring.com...
> In article <2b56ba8f...@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>, Malcolm
> <donald.mcl...@talk21.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <38d5...@news.nwlink.com>, "Darklady"
> > <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> > > The proper treatment of people, however, doesn't
> > > really take their sex into consideration.
> > Yes it does. A man tried to dance with me at a nightclub
> > once and found himself thrown onto the floor. I think he
> > deserved that. Would it have been OK to do the same thing
> > had it been a woman ?
> >
It wasn't right to do it to a man either. Have a little common courtesy.
That was rude, homophobic and immature.
AMBAN
Pied Piper
evident by all the school shootings and other violent acts perpetrated on
both students and teachers.
Pax
Oldguyteck
Are you telling me you had NO OTHER options........left to you.
>
>
> > Nonsense DL , I have said it once I'll say it again you all too often
> talk
> > thrashy.
> > Also all too often you BRAG about it, I suppose thats because all your
> > friends in here stick up for
> > your unlady like behavior in that reguards...... + You seem to like to
> talk
> > like that, but then all of a sudden
> > you make a complete turnarround and talk relatively decent..... Thats
why
> I
> > suggested you ither have more than
> > one person posting under your moniker or you have this split personality
> > that is in constant battle
> > OR your just BULLish in nature.
>
> (sigh)
> I'm sorry I can't be consistently stupid like you, Ed.
> You crack me up... you complain when I talk "thrash" and then complain
> when I talk "relatively decent."
Where in the post do I complain when you talk "relatively decent' ?
I think you count TOO many holes in the 'mesh'
Ed...................(Oldguyteck)
Oldguyteck
> > In article <38d2...@news.nwlink.com>,
> > "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow. And here all along I thought it was having both X and Y
> > > chromosomes and external genitalia.
> > > Amazing what ya learn online, eh?
> >
> > If a fourteen year-old girl wears make-up, goes to drinks parties, and
> then
> > gets engaged I would say she is claiming to be a grown woman, even if
> > chronologically she is still a girl. You are claiming to be a man in all
> > respects except (obviously) the biological.
>
> I am a woman. 100%.
> You have defined being male as taking responsibilty for one's life.
You
> appear to be the only person working with this definition.
> I make no claims to being male.
>
> > > What information do you have about me that leads you to believe I'm
> > > "trying to shuffle it off on to someone else?"
> > > Is it the fact I'm female?
> > > Here's one of my stories:
> > [story of having sex to get a lift home]
> > > That does NOT, however, absolve these gentlemen from their abundant
> > > portion of blame and responsibility.
> > >
> >
> > Well we could analyse exactly who is responsible, but I propose the
> > following, we will accept that it was not your fault as long as you
accept
> > that you are a woman and also accept that you will be treated like a
> woman.
> > Does that sound fair ?
>
> woman by those who can only see my female body and define me by it.
> Since I haven't figured out what you think treating someone like a
woman
>
>
> > > [Therapy] is considered a standard part of any
> > > approach to dealing with serious life trauma issues.
> >
> > More jargon. "life trauma issues" might affect Americans, but we don't
> need
> > them over here.
>
nothing
> to cause a person trauma, eh?
> Are you living in Oz or Never Never Land?
> children of Bindoon appear to be having a few "life trauma issues" and
> they're not from the U.S.
>
> > We can internalize and repress our anger and pain all we want but
> > > it *will* find a way to bubble to the surface either through illness
or
> > > problems dealing with others.
> >
can
> > cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
>
> Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express that.
> Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art,
exercise,
> community or religious participation, etc.
Does that include banging your head against a brick wall, then cussing about
the results, or reason you did.?
Ed....................(Oldguyteck)
Pied Piper
hearts blame violence on tv and movies yattayattayatta, but it is the lack
of any boundries, and noing the difference between right and wrong.
If you expect me to enable you and play into your victim mentality you will
be a long time waiting. Time to take responsibility for your life, and grow
up.
Pax
Thomas P.
>Yes a lack of discipline and moral decay of our society. The bleeding
>hearts blame violence on tv and movies yattayattayatta, but it is the lack
>of any boundries, and noing the difference between right and wrong.
Gosh, thanks for the explanation. It is really simple, isn't it? I
am curious about something; who died and made you Pope?
>
>If you expect me to enable you and play into your victim mentality you will
>be a long time waiting. Time to take responsibility for your life, and grow
>up.
>
>
>Pax
>
>
>
On the edge of chaos
Pied Piper
harsh in my responses to you. You have given no evidence that your
arguments are agreed to by anyone other than yourself.
Pax
Oldguyteck
Malcolm X-Files <biafrafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sddpgoc...@corp.supernews.com...> news:cJzB4.3979$S3.10...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> there isn't any statistical evidence that school violence is really on the
> rise. What you have is more publicity when it happens in middle class
> suburban schools. When inner city schools have these kinds of violent
> crimes, the media pays them scant attention.
Ya know I dont think your even old enough to appreciate the good old days...
Ive been arround this old globe
for a goodly number of years....... We didn't live in vaccumes..... We
communicated with each other.
AND I can tell you this stuff that is going on NOW, was all but UNHEARD of,
and I dont mean by that , no one knew
or it wasnt reported etc..... It just wasnt happening....... AND you didnt
have the street gangs (like today) yes
the blacks, and hispanic kids and the white kids too, with their viing for
power of the streets etc..
{The bloods} {The crypts} and you know very well the myride of names these
gangs have and the colors they fly
NOW we didnt have those kinds of GANGS hanging arround terrifying the
communities. So dont go giving me that malarky
about the news coverages etc........ Shure there is more coverage, WHY not
just because the news media is more sofisticated......... and its a good
thing they are, to keep up with the HORRIBLE increase in violence.....
You really dont need all that coverage ither..... Just traverse your
neighborhood late at night and see it for yourself....
I myself do not go out for my nightly walks all over the city, as I once was
able to... WHY cant I do that any more?
Your not going to tell me it is due to better news coverages......... Im
telling YOU its because there is MUCH more danger out there........ BOTTOM
LINE ! The YOUNG GANG MEMBERS are instilling FEAR in the elderly.....
Do you think that is OK ! What next, will they start attacking or storm
trooping the old age homes......? Perish the thought.
Ed..........................(Oldguyteck)
>
> Black and Hispanic kids dying aren't as newsworthy, it would seem.
If they would stop shooting each other up, you wouldnt even have to make a
statement like the above.
Get um OFF THE STREETS !
Peter Terry
Pied Piper wrote in message ...
-the big snip-
nothing of value to add, yet again.
Oldguyteck
> Pied Piper <p...@christ.net> wrote in message
> news:cJzB4.3979$S3.10...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com...
> > Poor baby, its called discipline. Something lacking in schools today as
> is
> > evident by all the school shootings and other violent acts perpetrated
on
> > both students and teachers.
>
> discrimination.
Ya but dim-bulb (or dark-bulb), you seem to forget the minute those items
are pretty well addressed, along comes
these new issues of STREET GANG PUNKS, HATE N MURDER IN THE SCHOOLS.......
Us sexual discrimination........ more damadging than the shootings going
now......
Im not saying Im all for the discrimination, but you seem to put mmore stock
in that being worse than whats actually
goin on RIGHT NOW. These days.....
Dont ya think we have to be MORE concerned with what in our face NOW than
whimper about things that happened in
the PAST........ Ya cant do anything about YESTERDAY! BUT ya sure can do
something about TODAY
CANT YA ? HOW about tommorrow ?
Ed.....................(Oldguyteck)
Oldguyteck
arjay <ar...@deletenonline.net> wrote in message
news:ORCB4.36465$Jz3.3...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> Oldguyteck wrote ...
> > Darklady wrote ...
> > > Malcolm wrote ...
>
> <snip>
>
anger
> > can
> > > > cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
> > >
> > > Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express
that.
> > > Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art,
> > > exercise, community or religious participation, etc.
> >
> > Does that include banging your head against a brick wall, then cussing
about
> > the results, or reason you did.?
>
are
> funny.
Arjaypun, it was not meant to be funny. I find it odd that you though so .
>
> We would be in your debt if you would find a brick wall and try the
experiment
> you suggest.
Your the one that tends to think its funny, and Im sure you like FUNNY
things. SO have at it.
And while your at it. STOP shifting the post arround to attempt to make it
seem my lines follow an incorrect above
that i am answering to or making a comment on.
THAT's one of Als underhanded tricks........ You gonna be a copycat now ?
Ed..................(Oldguyteck)
> You needn't include the cussing, for I'm sure that if an expletive ever
passed
> your sanctimonious lips the heavens would open, the ground would part, the
seas
> would rise, the polar ice caps would melt, and all copies everywhere of
the film
> "The Sound of Music," along with all Lawrence Welk videotapes, would
> simultaneously burst into flame.
>
> arjay
>
Oldguyteck
> > Yes a lack of discipline and moral decay of our society.
>
> similar to this. History is cyclical.
>
>
> > hearts blame violence on tv and movies yattayattayatta,
>
> it's conservatives. And the next thing that comes out of their mouth is
the
> promotion of censorship.
I think many times a little censorship would go a long way in cleaning up
society, as long as it is properly placed.
We censor our children to some degree, dont we? So why not censor some of
these nasty folks that really dont know
how to behaive in society.......(namely in these NGs) You note: There is
no moderator.. so all hell breaks loose and
CUSSARDS seem to rule the roost......
Ed..................(Oldguyteck)
>
>
> but it is the lack
> > of any boundries, and noing the difference between right and wrong.
> >
> > If you expect me to enable you and play into your victim mentality you
> will
> > be a long time waiting. Time to take responsibility for your life, and
> grow
> > up.
>
>
> Psychobabble, and poorly rendered at that.
>
> You're really a fucking loon, pax.
You just proved my point.... YOU have great need of censorship...... I mean
what on earth will society at large do
When your turned loose with that mouth......?
Ed.....................(Oldguyteck)
> --
> Malcolm X-Files
> ICQ #26667824
> Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply
> aa# 1552 ULC Ordained Minister
> EAC Chief Tester of Gooey Desserts
> >
> >
> > Pax
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Oldguyteck
Thomas P. <tony...@post6.tele.dk> wrote in message
news:38d6f9ac...@news.inet.tele.dk...> >Yes a lack of discipline and moral decay of our society. The bleeding
> >hearts blame violence on tv and movies yattayattayatta, but it is the
lack
> >of any boundries, and noing the difference between right and wrong.
>
> am curious about something; who died and made you Pope?
>
What is really simple is the nonsenical response you just gave..... NOW
thats simple !
NOWHERE in the above, has he even hinted that there was a death... Or that
he qualified as successor of our Pope.
Ed........................(Oldguyteck)
>
> >
> >If you expect me to enable you and play into your victim mentality you
will
> >be a long time waiting. Time to take responsibility for your life, and
grow
> >up.
> >
> >
Christopher Beattie
nat...@king.ak.planet.gen.nz (June King) wrote about being strapped
also in Dunedin:
In article <38d8f3b8...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, BR
(spam...@noonehome.com) wrote about being strapped in Ellerslie:
This is the first I have heard about "strapping." Perhaps it was
pecular in New Zeland, or perhaps it was just not done in the United
States, but in the Catholic Schools I attended the very concept was
unheard of. (This was during the 60's and 70's.) There was always the
legend of the knuckle whapping ruller, but I saw few of those nuns
either, with the exception of one who used a light weight yardstick,
which really wasn't very effective at a good whap, and she only used it
once or twice.
What can one say?
I mean besides
"Crossposting is bad."
"Never post to both alt.recovery.catholicism and
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic in the same message they just
don't get along well with each other."
That those nuns had to resort to such abuse on such a consistant level,
is clearly a wrong. What did public schools in New Zeland do during
this period to enforce regulations? How do they compare?
As for the question "who is to blame." The question is mostly an
acedemic one. Do you blame the Nuns? Do you blame those who taught
those Nuns? Do you blame the parents for letting the Nuns strap their
children on a regular basis? Do you blame society? The Church in
general? The whole human race?
As I said, this is an acedemic one, unless you feel like getting
satisfaction from a legal lawsuit of some kind. The question is how are
you going to deal with your anger NOW. Is your anger now even related
to your childhood events, or is this just a crutch to keep you from
concentrating on the real problems which cause you anger? In any
event, the problem is not to figure out who is responsible for giving
you the anger. Anger is like a live ticking handgrenade, one doesn't
ask where one has gotten the device, but how one can get rid of it.
Letting go of the anger is the most important thing you need to do.
You are not a "victim." You are a "survivor." A victim is passive, a
survivor is active. A victim never grows, a survivor learns and grows
from every experience, even a negative one.
--
Peace & Good!
Christopher Beattie SFO
KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Malcolm
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> Don't drink beer usually, although you can buy me a nice loger and
lime
> or a tasty McMinnamin's Ruby microbrew.
I don't like beer so much either really, but you can't get wine in
British pubs and my mother won't let me drink spirits.
> I don't watch or play football, but will happily discuss Quake or the
> history of 3-D, 1st Person games and their game engines.
I'm not actually that good at maths so I try not to do the 3D (though
I've written 3D systems in my time). Fortunately nowadays most of the
hard work is done for you. The big challenge is getting lighting
correct - the lights are what lets down all the current engines.
> I can't do this all day, however. I have a career, see, and it's eaten
> a goodly portion of my life. Thus the majority of my drinking and
gaming is
> done from right where sit.
Now my career is to write video games, so it's almost play all day
(sometimes you have a bit of code to write that you'd rather not do,
but basically I'm paid to do my hobby).
> And ya know, in all my years of drinking and gaming I have *never*
been
> mistaken for a man, although I've been treated as an equal by all the
men
> who've been through the door.
Are you happy about that ? There's no shortage of men who will treat
you as an equal, I would agree.
>
> What if every
> woman who'd been disinterested in your attention had thrown you to the
> floor? Oh, that's right... your intense manliness has probably
overcome the
> flickering indecision of any woman you've ever met.
>
I've had a bucket of water poured over me by a woman once, but I've
never been thrown to the floor. Sadly my intense manliness did not
charm Bethany (I think the problem was that her father was a famous
scholar and fairly rich, whilst I've got a very ordinary sort of family
background), and other girls have not been able to bear the intensity
of my love, so they pretend to be uninterested in me.
>
>
> I don't recall him claiming "victim status." I do remember him posting
> about something nasty that happened to him and expressing that it's
> something that still pisses him off and he thinks should be addressed
by
> those involved. *You* labeled him a "victim."
He was talking about sexually abused children in the same breath as he
described his experiences.
> I don't recall you being in charge of this thread, defining terms for
> the rest of the English language speakers of the world or even
contributing
> anything of much value to the conversation.
English is my language not yours, so I should be the one to say how it
is used correctly.
> So far all I've seen is you trying to insult me and the original
> poster... and not doing so in a manner likely to convince many people
of the
> accuracy of your statements.
I have not insulted you. I have said that you should decide whether you
want to be treated like a woman or not. Where is the insult ?
>
> I'm not "most women" and certainly don't appear to be like any you've
> been able to convince to spend time in your ever-so-appealing
> presence.
A few very rare men are able to treat children as equals. I have never
seen a woman who was capable of doing this. Some, of course, treat
children very well and some treat them badly. You have a very
exceptional gift.
> Perhaps if you demonstrated some of that "high intelligence" it would
> get the standing applause you appear to think it deserves.
>
I think it is amply demonstrated.
>
> I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm seeking shared understanding.
> It's so odd that you can't tell those apart given how "highly
> intelligent" you find yourself.
No, I don't know what the difference is. What is it ?
> Perhaps it's raw intelligence and not actually applicable to real-life
> experiences? I know plenty of geniuses who can't remember to bathe and
> don't understand human interactions one bit.
I have a shower every day before going into the studio. I'm a pretty
good programmer but as I said I'm not the best at maths, so I'm not a
genius. At social commentary I think I'm a genius. I must try to get a
job as a newspaper columnist or something sometime.
> > > I did say that I made some unfortunate choices but
> > > that they were the best options available to me.
>
> > I really find that hard to believe. Do you wish I'd been
> > around at the time ?
>
> I don't particularly wish you were around now, so why on earth would I
> want you to have been around "at the time?"
I have a car, and personally I have never asked a woman for sex in
exchange for a lift.
> What I wish is that I'd been able to get my parents to pick me up
after
> work, given that it was usually 1am by the time I got off and I was
16 years
> old with no way home. Or it would have been nice if the people I had
worked
> with had given me the rides home without requesting sexual favors
from me in
> exchange. It would have been helpful to have been able to talk to my
> parents about these things, too. Or that I'd been able to find a job
closer
> to home. Many things would have been nice to have had happen -- but
didn't.
>
It is a bit much. People often don't realise that a car is essential
for getting round most big cities. What sort of people were these who
you worked with ? In my company we only have a few girls working for
us, but no way would it happen that one of them would find herself
pressed for sexual favours from someone who had offered her a lift.
> Ah, poor baby can't control what comes out of other people's mouths.
I can't control what you post, sadly, but I really wouldn't tolerate
it, for example, from a girlfriend in a restaurant.
> Does it bother you to see a woman live her life without seeking the
> approval of a man?
Yes. You need to be told to stop swearing.
>
> I don't give a ripe fuck what you're full of... in fact, I've got a
few
> suggestions of what it is you *are* full of. :)
See. You really aren't doing yourself any favours.
> You asked some questions, I replied with personal information. You
> proclaimed it crying and now further attempt to ridicule my
experiences and
> my sharing of them.
Well, why aren't you crying ? Don't you acre any longer ?
> I mentioned the physical and emotional abuse in the
> same sentence as the sexual stuff -- but you only latched onto the
sexual
> stuff. Whatever. Focus on it to your heart's content, but don't whine
when
> someone points out your obsession.
I know. Ok, I'm sex-obsessed. Try to find somebody who doesn't think
about sex so much.
> What was that about taking responsibility for your actions?
> And ultimately, I'll talk about my sexual activities until the cows
come
> home if I want. That's what I get paid to do, game programmer.
>
I looked at your web pages. Obviously its high time someone else earned
your living for you
>
> I have fine relationships with men, so you're shooting down the wrong
> alley if you're going to try that tactic.
>
Oh, fine relationships (plural).
> Exactly. It sucks and I wish it hadn't happened. But I am the person I
> am today in part because of my unfortunate as well as fortunate
experiences.
> And all in all, I'm pretty pleased with who I am.
>
That's good.
> I'm not repressing my feelings. I'm deciding which ones are worth my
> time and energy. Forgiving some punk jerks who took advantage of me
> as a teen isn't on the list.
>
I'd be careful here. What's the "punk jerk"'s wife going to say about
you ?
Darklady
>
> Malcolm X-Files <biafrafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sddugle...@corp.supernews.com...
> > I assume you mean liberals. No, it isn't liberals that blame the media,
> > it's conservatives. And the next thing that comes out of their mouth is
> the
> > promotion of censorship.
>
> I think many times a little censorship would go a long way in cleaning up
> society, as long as it is properly placed.
This from the man who is still crying like a baby over the fact his last
ISP yanked his cord for abusing their TOS.
You want censorship -- but only if it censors what *you* find offensive.
There's the rub, old bean.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom: No matter how great your triumphs or how
tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
Darklady
> >
> > You haven't a clue about why the school shootings happened.
Furthermore,
> > there isn't any statistical evidence that school violence is really on
the
> > rise. What you have is more publicity when it happens in middle class
> > suburban schools. When inner city schools have these kinds of violent
> > crimes, the media pays them scant attention.
>
> Ya know I dont think your even old enough to appreciate the good old
days...
> Ive been arround this old globe
> for a goodly number of years....... We didn't live in vaccumes..... We
> communicated with each other.
> AND I can tell you this stuff that is going on NOW, was all but UNHEARD
of,
> and I dont mean by that , no one knew
> or it wasnt reported etc..... It just wasnt happening....... AND you didnt
> have the street gangs (like today) yes
> the blacks, and hispanic kids and the white kids too, with their viing for
> power of the streets etc..
My father was born in 1926. He was a farm boy in Grants Pass, Oregon.
Salt of the earth.
He and his other school boys were very upset about the Hispanic Zoot
Suiters who came into town on the train to woo the local girls. They
resolved this situation by beating said out-of-towners with bicycle chains.
Yup. Things were sure better in the Good Ole Days.
You're too lazy to search, but I recently posted some information
regarding the U.S. school systems which pointed out that violence in schools
is actually down considerably from the past. However, because the press is
able to tell folks about what violence *does* happen and because the
violence that gets press attention is quite dramatic -- people think that
means there's more violence than ever.
I'm 37 years old and every day I went to middle school and high school
was a dangerous experience for me. Short, tall, fat, skinny, poor, geeky and
otherwise "different" kids have always run the risk of being beat up at
school. What seems to be upsetting some people these days is that the
popular kids are getting hurt now, too.
Classic example is the tragic Columbine shooting. When poor kids die in
school shootings it's no big deal. When jocks and preppies die, it's a
national disaster. Are those jocks and preppies treating the geeks and nerds
better now that there's been a shooting? I dunno. The shooting was wrong --
but not surprising given the many, many "different" kids who've been
simmering for decades and quietly accepting the abuse heaped on their heads.
> {The bloods} {The crypts} and you know very well the myride of names
these
> gangs have and the colors they fly
> NOW we didnt have those kinds of GANGS hanging arround terrifying the
> communities. So dont go giving me that malarky
Untrue, Ed.
Are you unfamilar with the concept of a gangster? I seem to recall them
being very big during the 30's and 40's. Then there was all that trouble
with the Mafia for so long. And all the racial violence in the South. And
the rampant and codified sexism that existed until the end of the last
century. Are you unfamiliar with the plot behind West Side Story? Have you
never heard of the KKK or the Posse Comitatus (spelling?)?
My mother used to have rocks thrown at her by the Protestants as she
walked to her Catholic school. I doubt she'd agree with you that the Good
Ole Days were so darn great. In fact, I don't know anyone who lived during
the Good Ole Days who thought they were so great.
> about the news coverages etc........ Shure there is more coverage, WHY not
> just because the news media is more sofisticated......... and its a good
> thing they are, to keep up with the HORRIBLE increase in violence.....
> You really dont need all that coverage ither..... Just traverse your
> neighborhood late at night and see it for yourself....
I walk through my neighborhood in the evening on a regular basis. Very
nice neighborhood with a pleasant racial mix, good range of ages, white
collar to blue collar employees. The worst thing that can be said about this
part of town is that rents and home prices are more expensive than they
should be. The rest of my city is pretty much the same. There are a few
parts of town that I, as a woman, would be wise to avoid but, overall, the
city's pretty safe.
What's wrong with your town that you think the world is such a savage
and uncontrolled place?
> I myself do not go out for my nightly walks all over the city, as I once
was
> able to... WHY cant I do that any more?
Ummm... cuz you're in your 80s and don't have the stamina you once had?
> Your not going to tell me it is due to better news coverages......... Im
> telling YOU its because there is MUCH more danger out there........ BOTTOM
> LINE ! The YOUNG GANG MEMBERS are instilling FEAR in the elderly.....
> Do you think that is OK ! What next, will they start attacking or storm
> trooping the old age homes......? Perish the thought.
The "old age homes" hardly need gang members to cause them trouble.
Having spend a month as a patient in a nursing home myself, I can safely say
that any danger experienced by the clients is entirely free of gang member
involvement -- unless you consider the medical and insurance agencies to be
gangs. Which they very well might be.
> > Black and Hispanic kids dying aren't as newsworthy, it would seem.
>
> If they would stop shooting each other up, you wouldnt even have to make a
> statement like the above.
>
> Get um OFF THE STREETS !
???
How do you propose to do this, Ed? Throw everyone who's not white in
jail -- just to be on the safe side?
I don't suppose the fact that the majority of folks (white or not) are
non-violent matters to you. And I'm sure that the centuries of goverment
sponsored violence against women and non-whites is not germaine to this
discussion. After all, considering the effects of such things on people
complicates the neat little solutions you come up with, don't they? Don't
bother Ed with the facts, he's got it all figured out!
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
A single fact can spoil a good argument.
Malcolm X-Files
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
news:38d7...@news.nwlink.com...
> This from the man who is still crying like a baby over the fact his
last
> ISP yanked his cord for abusing their TOS.
> You want censorship -- but only if it censors what *you* find
offensive.
I'd like to paraphrase what Larry Flynt and Lenny Bruce had to say about
censorship in America. It's OK to show Vietnamese kids running down the
road on fire from napalm--hell, it's OK to burn little Vietnamese kids with
napalm. It's not obscene that children are killed everyday in this country
from the preventable disease known as poverty...It's not obscene that we've
spent billions of dollars trying to figure out new ways to burn people and
blow them up, and only a fraction of that trying to improve life in the US
and the world. Hell, we act like the rest of the world doesn't exist,
except when we need something from them, labor or oil or support in going
into the 3rd world to kill and maim some more so that we can build more
bombs and cook up a new batch of napalm or nerve gas to use on them.
But let someone show a nipple, labia, or erect penis, or let them say the
word "FUCK" and watch the people like Ed run around calling every
congressman and other elected offcial in sight trying to get laws passed and
people put in jail.
So, Ed has some kind of blithering idiot reply to this, I'm sure.....but
he's in my killfile, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darklady
> > Yeah, nothing like the good old days of racial violence and sexual
> > discrimination.
>
> Ya but dim-bulb (or dark-bulb), you seem to forget the minute those items
> are pretty well addressed, along comes
> these new issues of STREET GANG PUNKS, HATE N MURDER IN THE
SCHOOLS.......
There've been problems with gang and trouble makers for centuries, Ed.
They just have bigger guns now.
> Us sexual discrimination........ more damadging than the shootings going
> now......
> Im not saying Im all for the discrimination, but you seem to put mmore
stock
> in that being worse than whats actually
> goin on RIGHT NOW. These days.....
As a woman, the discimination of the past is something I can't merely
shrug off. You've never had to wonder what life would be like without the
right to vote, to work out of your home, to have credit in your own name, to
have equal access to employment, insurance benefits, loans, etc. Freeing
millions of women so that they can take greater control of their lives
*does* strike me as more important than some scattered violence, yes. Much
of the violence you're speaking about is lessening even now due to police
and community efforts. It's a generational thing and we basically have to
wait for policies to take effect and for young people to realize what a dead
end gangs are. This is happening.
And yes, I think government sponsored and approved discimination *is*
worse than random and unrelated acts of spontaneous violence.
> Dont ya think we have to be MORE concerned with what in our face NOW than
> whimper about things that happened in
> the PAST........ Ya cant do anything about YESTERDAY! BUT ya sure can do
> something about TODAY
> CANT YA ? HOW about tommorrow ?
Funny coming from the man who was just sighing about the Good Ole Days.
So, according to you, we can praise the Old Days but we can't point out
their bad points?
In order to deal with the problems of today and tomorrow we must be
*honest* about what yesterday was like. You are not being honest about it
since you see only a rosy glow without the dark spots. There's plenty to be
learned from the past, some of it about things we should try to emulate and
some of it about things we should do our utmost to avoid.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Does killing time damage eternity?
Darklady
> > I was informed that my story (regarding how I had to exchange sex
for
> > rides home from work when I was 16 and 17) was "Another boo hoo victim
> > story..."
> > I don't consider myself a victim nor was my story meant to be a "boo
> hoo
> > story." I merely told what happened to me, accepted responsibilty for
> making
> > the choices I made and said that the men who took advantage of me still
> need
> > to bear a certain amount of the responsibility for their actions, as
well.
>
> Are you telling me you had NO OTHER options........left to you.
*sigh*
Even now you want to find fault with me, don't you?
Yeah, I had other options... I even said as much. But I chose the
options which seemed the least awful at the time.
I could have quit my job. My mother would have gone ballistic. It was
easier to just accept the sexual risks.
I could have tried to jump out of the moving cars or vans -- I did that
once in the middle of a busy street. Quite exciting.
I could have tried to jump out of the car or van when it was parked in
the middle of the woods or countryside -- but then I'd have either put
myself at risk for more than merely sexual abuse. I could easily have been
violently attacked (hard to know with some of these folks). I would
unquestionably been lost in the middle of nowhere well past midnight.
Asking my parents for a ride wasn't an option. I'd tried that and
failed.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
A man who works with his hands is a laborer; a man who works with his hands
and his brain is a craftsman; but a man who works with his hands and his
brain and his heart is an artist.
-- Lous Nizer --
Christopher Beattie
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
> My father was born in 1926. He was a farm boy in Grants Pass, Oregon.
> Salt of the earth.
> He and his other school boys were very upset about the Hispanic Zoot
> Suiters who came into town on the train to woo the local girls. They
> resolved this situation by beating said out-of-towners with bicycle
chains.
> Yup. Things were sure better in the Good Ole Days.
> You're too lazy to search, but I recently posted some information
> regarding the U.S. school systems which pointed out that violence in
schools
> is actually down considerably from the past. However, because the
press is
> able to tell folks about what violence *does* happen and because the
> violence that gets press attention is quite dramatic -- people think
that
> means there's more violence than ever.
Your Father's experience was from Oregon, mine was from the Bonics of
New York. (End of the south fork of Long Island, by the Hamptons.)
My father generally is not surprised by the violence that does happen,
only as he states in "his" day, you settled everything with your fists,
you never thought of pulling out a knife, or a gun. And after the
fight was over, it was over.
I doubt it was the idilic "marquis of queensburry rules" land which he
has painted, but at lest with fists there is a lot less damage you can
do ... compared to a gun.
But that was one small section of the country. In other sections
things might have been vastly different. And that is the problem
really. In the past, you only knew your own local area. Now you know
the worst of the entire country, even the world. There are probably a
lot of school districts where students are treated always with respect,
but there are probably a lot more where students really need to join a
group of some kind because there is safty in numbers. And there are a
few that make the National Papers, but only a few, out of many
thousands.
> And I'm sure that the centuries of goverment
> sponsored violence against women and non-whites is not
> germaine to this discussion.
It shouldn't be. After all, what happens to a person a century or two
ago and what happens to a person today are two completely different
events. The problem is that the root causes of much of the violence,
the root predugise, is still there, worse in some cases because it has
gone underground beneath the layers of the politically correct. If we
don't learn from the past, we always tend to repeat it with gusto.
--
Peace & Good!
Christopher Beattie SFO
KOC, SPEBSQSA, et.al.
arjay
> arjay wrote ...
> > Oldguyteck wrote ...
> > > Darklady wrote ...
> > > > Malcolm wrote ...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > More pseudo-psychology. It's not entirely wrong that unexpressed
> > > > > anger can
> > > > > cause problems, but expressed anger can cause problems as well.
> > > >
> > > > Certainly it can. The trick is to find healthy ways to express
> > > > that.
> > > > Talk therapy can be a help for some people. For others it's art,
> > > > exercise, community or religious participation, etc.
> > >
> > > Does that include banging your head against a brick wall, then cussing
> > > about the results, or reason you did.?
> >
> > Edgerton, the very worst thing about your cheap shots is that none of them
> > are funny.
>
> Arjaypun, it was not meant to be funny. I find it odd that you though so .
Since you haven't demonstrated a capacity for subtleties, Neddie, your
non-sequitur to Darklady's comment could only be seen as a pointless intrusion.
Pointless intrusions can often be tolerated, if they are funny.
I did not think your line was meant to be funny. Your lines are never funny.
They are merely ridiculous.
> > We would be in your debt if you would find a brick wall and try the
> > experiment you suggest.
>
> Your the one that tends to think its funny, and Im sure you like FUNNY
> things. SO have at it.
No, Neddie. I said your comment was /not/funny. I was merely curious regarding
the results of such an experiment, were you the subject.
> And while your at it. STOP shifting the post arround to attempt to make it
> seem my lines follow an incorrect above
> that i am answering to or making a comment on.
While you are at whatever it is you are at, kindly notice that nothing was
rearranged. Compare this post, which contains everything in my earlier post
(which you say was 'shifted around') to message
news:5MBB4.18981$Nn6.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net . Lines
superfluous to your non-sequitur were snipped. Nothing was repositioned.
> THAT's one of Als underhanded tricks........ You gonna be a copycat now ?
Who is "Als"?
arjay
Darklady
Malcolm X-Files.
I think I love you.
And, btw -- I've got a three part bio/profile of Lenny Bruce on my site
and I've met and interviewed Larry Flynt once and been interviewed by him in
his Beverly Hills office in the LFP building. I recently found out that
there are people who've worked for him for years who've never met him.
He's an odd duck.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Darklady
Christopher Beattie <tz...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8b8pcv$tup$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > And I'm sure that the centuries of goverment
> > sponsored violence against women and non-whites is not
> > germaine to this discussion.
>
> It shouldn't be. After all, what happens to a person a century or two
> ago and what happens to a person today are two completely different
> events. The problem is that the root causes of much of the violence,
> the root predugise, is still there, worse in some cases because it has
> gone underground beneath the layers of the politically correct. If we
> don't learn from the past, we always tend to repeat it with gusto.
I disagree. Not because I think that, for instance, the American
slavery system of the 17th century is making a direct impact on most black
Americans -- but because it is important to remember that it isn't something
we've totally recovered from. I've often thought that it's probably a good
thing Martin Luther King, Jr. is dead because he'd be damn disappointed in
what a lot of black youths are doing. However, even after realizing that
more personal responsibility needs to be accepted by minority groups in some
ways -- we still have to realize that the affects of racism (both materially
and emotionally) are still being felt. For many minorities there's a sense
of loss since their original ethnic heritage was totally removed and they
were not fully allowed into white society/culture. Whether we like it or
not, we're probably going to be stuck dealing with the fall-out from this
sort of cultural exclusion for a while longer.
It's easy to say that what happened 100 years ago and what happens today
are different events... but we need to remember that events do not happen in
vacuums. What was done 100 years ago affects what happens today. Ask anyone
whose family was affected by WWII.
As you say, a lot of what's going on today is underground due to
political correctness... so many people with big smiles on their faces
hiding their real opinions.
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Darklady
> In article <38d6...@news.nwlink.com>,
> "Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't drink beer usually, although you can buy me a nice loger and
> lime
> > or a tasty McMinnamin's Ruby microbrew.
> I don't like beer so much either really, but you can't get wine in
> British pubs and my mother won't let me drink spirits.
We can get wine in U.S. bars and I don't ask my mother's permission
before I drink alcohol.
<snip>
> > I can't do this all day, however. I have a career, see, and it's eaten
> > a goodly portion of my life. Thus the majority of my drinking and
> gaming is
> > done from right where sit.
> Now my career is to write video games, so it's almost play all day
> (sometimes you have a bit of code to write that you'd rather not do,
> but basically I'm paid to do my hobby).
And I'm basically "paid to do my hobby," as well.
I write about sexuality.
> > And ya know, in all my years of drinking and gaming I have *never*
> been
> > mistaken for a man, although I've been treated as an equal by all the
> men
> > who've been through the door.
> Are you happy about that ? There's no shortage of men who will treat
> you as an equal, I would agree.
I'm quite happy with that. In 9 out of 10 interactions with men I have
no reason to be treated like anything other than another person. Sometimes
I'm treated like a person who they find very sexy, but it's still a
person-to-person experience. I get plenty of fawning and sexual overtones
from my fans. I'm sure that the fact I'm female affects how men treat me
when they first meet me (while they're trying to find out what kind of
person I am and how I'll react to different things) but once they know me
and see that I'm cool, I'm another person. One who happens to be female. And
damned cute, at that.
After I've whupped their butts at a variety of 3-D games they definitely
don't see me in any cliche "female" manner. But they never forget I'm
female. It's just not a big deal to any of us. Hell, 90% of the men I know
have come to me at some time asking for advice in their love lives and/or
sex lives. I'm the girl most of the guys I know wish their girlfriends
could be more like. :)
> > I don't recall him claiming "victim status." I do remember him posting
> > about something nasty that happened to him and expressing that it's
> > something that still pisses him off and he thinks should be addressed
> by
> > those involved. *You* labeled him a "victim."
> He was talking about sexually abused children in the same breath as he
> described his experiences.
And that means what? That he considers the abuse he received as a child
to be somehow validly grouped in with sexual abuse of other children? I'm
not sure I'm seeing your point. While receiving physical abuse isn't the
same as receiving sexual abuse (which is a sub-set of physical abuse,
really) it's still somethingn that's inappropriate.
I think that what makes us a "victim" has more to do with how we see
ourselves in our own heads. If he feels he's a victim, then he probably is.
If he feels he's a survivor, than he probably is.
> > I don't recall you being in charge of this thread, defining terms for
> > the rest of the English language speakers of the world or even
> contributing
> > anything of much value to the conversation.
> English is my language not yours, so I should be the one to say how it
> is used correctly.
Ah. I see. You invented the blood mother tongue then, did you?
Given that my use of the English language is what pays my bills I'd say
I've got a greater claim on it than you. But you can have it. I'll take
American (which is really just another sub-set... this time of the English
language) -- it's easier to understand and more flexible.
> > So far all I've seen is you trying to insult me and the original
> > poster... and not doing so in a manner likely to convince many people
> of the
> > accuracy of your statements.
> I have not insulted you. I have said that you should decide whether you
> want to be treated like a woman or not. Where is the insult ?
You sure you're not one of Ed's pods?
Telling me what I should and should not do is pretty insulting, frankly.
Especially when it comes to my own self-identification.
But beyond that, you've tried to blame me for the things that were done
to me as a child and teen-ager and told me I can't be a woman if I feel as I
do. I'd say that those are also fairly insulting (not to mention damn
cheeky) things to say.
> > I'm not "most women" and certainly don't appear to be like any you've
> > been able to convince to spend time in your ever-so-appealing
> > presence.
> A few very rare men are able to treat children as equals. I have never
> seen a woman who was capable of doing this. Some, of course, treat
> children very well and some treat them badly. You have a very
> exceptional gift.
Since I try to spend as little time in the company of children as
possible, I don't see what can be gained by mistreating them. They're
little people with their own unique limitations and advances within a
statistical grouping. Just like everyone else. They do not get me all dewy
eyed and mushy, so I don't coo over them like an idiot. But I know quite a
few men whose hearts melt at the very sight of children.
I think maybe you need to get out more and meet some people. Or does
your mother not allow that, either?
> > Perhaps if you demonstrated some of that "high intelligence" it would
> > get the standing applause you appear to think it deserves.
> >
> I think it is amply demonstrated.
You keep thinking that.
And enjoying those nights alone with your right hand and a bottle of
lube.
Denied the company of those many women who just can't stand the
intensity of your love and thus pretend to be disinterested in you.
> > I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm seeking shared understanding.
> > It's so odd that you can't tell those apart given how "highly
> > intelligent" you find yourself.
> No, I don't know what the difference is. What is it ?
Sympathy = a desire to think or feel alike.
I don't ask for sympathy. I don't expect you or anyone else to think as
I do or feel as I do. I do hope that my words will help others more fully
comprehend what I'm trying to explain. In that aspect, I do wish some aspect
of "sympathy" ("the act or capacity to enter into or share the feelings or
interests of another") but only in so much as I want others to *understand*
my points, even if they don't agree with them.
I *understand* why many things happen even if I don't agree with why
they happen or sympathize with the motives of those who do them.
By "understand" I mean, that I hope others will grasp the meaning of
what I say.
> > > > I did say that I made some unfortunate choices but
> > > > that they were the best options available to me.
> >
> > > I really find that hard to believe. Do you wish I'd been
> > > around at the time ?
> >
> > I don't particularly wish you were around now, so why on earth would I
> > want you to have been around "at the time?"
> I have a car, and personally I have never asked a woman for sex in
> exchange for a lift.
Then bully for you. If you'd been available at 1am in 1979 in Portland,
Oregon then I might have been able to get home safely with you. But you'd
have had to have been available 5 days a week.
> > What I wish is that I'd been able to get my parents to pick me up
> after
> > work, given that it was usually 1am by the time I got off and I was
> 16 years
> > old with no way home. Or it would have been nice if the people I had
> worked
> > with had given me the rides home without requesting sexual favors
> from me in
> > exchange. It would have been helpful to have been able to talk to my
> > parents about these things, too. Or that I'd been able to find a job
> closer
> > to home. Many things would have been nice to have had happen -- but
> didn't.
> >
> It is a bit much. People often don't realise that a car is essential
> for getting round most big cities. What sort of people were these who
> you worked with ? In my company we only have a few girls working for
> us, but no way would it happen that one of them would find herself
> pressed for sexual favours from someone who had offered her a lift.
They were jerks, I'd say right off hand. But when you're young and naive
(as I was) you don't always know who to *not* trust until after they've
given you a reason to not trust them. And too often it's the folks who look
the most respectable who aren't.
> > Ah, poor baby can't control what comes out of other people's mouths.
> I can't control what you post, sadly, but I really wouldn't tolerate
> it, for example, from a girlfriend in a restaurant.
That's your non-existent girlfriend's problem then. Nobody controls me,
although they have a right to express their opinions and I will take their
opinions into consideration when determining my behavior.
> > Does it bother you to see a woman live her life without seeking the
> > approval of a man?
> Yes. You need to be told to stop swearing.
Do I now? You're awfully comfortable telling me what I need and don't
need. All based, it would appear, on what makes your thin skin comfortable.
> > I don't give a ripe fuck what you're full of... in fact, I've got a
> few
> > suggestions of what it is you *are* full of. :)
> See. You really aren't doing yourself any favours.
You're right there. Exchanging posts with you is pretty pointless. A man
who knocks down men who wanted to dance, can't get a date with a woman and
isn't allowed to drink spirits by his mommy hardly seems in a position to
tell another person how they should be living their life.
> > You asked some questions, I replied with personal information. You
> > proclaimed it crying and now further attempt to ridicule my
> experiences and
> > my sharing of them.
> Well, why aren't you crying ? Don't you acre any longer ?
Acre?
My grandmother's farm was on 12 acres. But I never "acred" myself.
Do you mean "ache?" Sure. Sometimes it's very sad to think about some of
the hard times I've weathered. But what's the point of crying now? I have a
lot of fe between then and now and plenty of things happening today that I
could cry about if I wanted to. And sometimes I do. But then I stop crying
and get back to living my life as best I can. Most of the men I know cry
once in a while, too. And they have every right to do so. It shows no
weakness as far as I can see. It takes strength to show pain. And it takes
strength to move beyond it.
> > I mentioned the physical and emotional abuse in the
> > same sentence as the sexual stuff -- but you only latched onto the
> sexual
> > stuff. Whatever. Focus on it to your heart's content, but don't whine
> when
> > someone points out your obsession.
> I know. Ok, I'm sex-obsessed. Try to find somebody who doesn't think
> about sex so much.
If I did that I'd be out of business.
But thanks for admitting it.
I'm so honored to know that my sexual misadventures can provide you with
a bit of fun.
> > What was that about taking responsibility for your actions?
>
> > And ultimately, I'll talk about my sexual activities until the cows
> come
> > home if I want. That's what I get paid to do, game programmer.
> >
> I looked at your web pages. Obviously its high time someone else earned
> your living for you
*snicker*
You're just full of sexist ideas, aren't you?
> > I have fine relationships with men, so you're shooting down the wrong
> > alley if you're going to try that tactic.
> >
> Oh, fine relationships (plural).
Yeah, I have these things called friends. I'm sure you've read about
them or seen others in the company of friends. Many of my friends are men.
Some of my friends are women. I have relationships with all of them
because -- we relate with one another.
> > Exactly. It sucks and I wish it hadn't happened. But I am the person I
> > am today in part because of my unfortunate as well as fortunate
> experiences.
> > And all in all, I'm pretty pleased with who I am.
> >
> That's good.
>
> > I'm not repressing my feelings. I'm deciding which ones are worth my
> > time and energy. Forgiving some punk jerks who took advantage of me
> > as a teen isn't on the list.
> >
> I'd be careful here. What's the "punk jerk"'s wife going to say about
> you ?
What do I care? How is this mythical woman even going to know about me?
I'm talking about something that happened 20 years ago... it's not like I
stayed in touch with every guy who fucked me before pushing me out of their
car. Your comments are mindless, you know that? We're talking about guys who
got drunk, picked up a hitchhiker, basically raped her and then probably
forgot all about her. I hardly think I'm a subject for discussion over the
dinner table today (or in the prison ward or wherever these guys wound up).
Should everyone who's been abused "forgive" their abusers (no matter how
unrepentant they are) so they won't hurt said abuser's spouse?
--
Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
Malcolm X-Files
"Darklady" <dark...@darklady.com> wrote in message
> I think I love you.
>
> And, btw -- I've got a three part bio/profile of Lenny Bruce on my
site
> and I've met and interviewed Larry Flynt once and been interviewed by him
in
> his Beverly Hills office in the LFP building. I recently found out that
> there are people who've worked for him for years who've never met him.
> He's an odd duck.
Ah, but he's a real American. Someone who read Jefferson's words in the
Declaration of Independence and took them to heart. Not one of these
shitheads like Bush or Clinton or Gore. Hey, I'm voting for Jello Biafra
for president.
Oldguyteck
>
> > > I assume you mean liberals. No, it isn't liberals that blame the
media,
> > > it's conservatives. And the next thing that comes out of their mouth
is
> > the
> > > promotion of censorship.
> >
> > I think many times a little censorship would go a long way in cleaning
up
> > society, as long as it is properly placed.
>
last
> ISP yanked his cord for abusing their TOS.
> You want censorship -- but only if it censors what *you* find
offensive.
Correction Bulletin !
Here ya go again Barklady, twisting everything all arround ... I complained
YES! And your assertion that [they] were correct is in error........ I
complained also about the GANG BANG. the inevedibly led to my dissmissal,
What would you think if I was your ISP and told you just a day or two after
making your payment , then as long as I knew I had your money safely tucked
into my pocket, said GOOD BY charlie ? Yeppers thats EXACTLY what they did
I TOLD you before I spoke directly with several of the employees there about
the issue, THEY WERE ALL AGREEING with ME AT THAT TIME..... Yet you see what
happened...... Oh ya they got the money! BUT they did not get the clients
that WERE going to join because of me........ IT cost them more to get rid
of me LOL than that peezly 20 bucks they
congered outta me LOL
I will give them prioe credit however WHEN they started out as a small
community oreintated BBS
THey did NOT allow any CUSSING :) And I lauded them for that. But now ?
bah humbug... LOL....
Oh and the OWNERS NEVER answered my last interrogatories......... WONDER
WHY? EH?
Ed......................(Oldguyteck)