More dress, less promiscuity, says Perth Archbishop
Karen
Warning of the risks of unwanted attention for women, Perth Archbishop Barry
Hickey said young people are failing to appreciate the link between modest
dress and the dignity of women.
Archbishop Hickey made his comments in a wide-ranging interview with Perth's
Sunday Times newspaper in which he warned that scantily dressed young women
risk attracting unwanted sexual attention and attacked the promotion of
condoms as a safe-sex aid.
However, Archbishop Hickey distanced him from the controversial comments
last month by Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, who compared
immodestly dressed women with uncovered meat.
"But it (exploitation) is a different thing," he told the Sunday Times.
"There are risks in (dressing revealingly) because they will attract the
attention of men and then they'll have to deal with that and sometimes they
might not want that attention that they will get.
"There's a case for modesty of dress to do with the dignity of women and
maybe young people growing up haven't quite got that understanding.
"Dress is something to do with presenting oneself to the world and that
dignity of womanhood should be part of life, not just sexual allure."
Society was also "very, very much mistaken" about promoting condoms as
making sexual activity safe.
"Society only gives false assurances to young people ... because the failure
rate of condoms will eventually catch up with them and the consequences of
intercourse will be there," he said.
"Pregnancy is an obvious example, but even as preventers of disease, condoms
eventually fail ... whether it is HIV, AIDS or whether it is other sexually
transmitted diseases.
"There is another answer and that's self-control and chastity."
"But we've got to put the blame on society's own permissive attitudes," he
said. "It gives encouragement for sexual activity at a very young age.
"You only have to read the glossy magazines, you only have to look at the
extent of pornography, how easily available it is on the internet.
"Sex has got its role in human affairs, but young people who get sexually
active are being exploited.
"They'll miss the connection between sex and marriage and family life, and
find they are damaged by all this activity and will have problems with their
own self-worth.
"Sex is about love, first of all, and procreation, and the proper place is
in marriage.
"So one should advocate chastity before marriage and fidelity after
marriage; that's, I think, the message that will be very helpful to
everybody."
http://www.cathnews.com/news/611/67.php
AMBAN
>
>More dress, less promiscuity, says Perth Archbishop
>
>Warning of the risks of unwanted attention for women, Perth Archbishop Barry
>Hickey said young people are failing to appreciate the link between modest
>dress and the dignity of women.
>
>Archbishop Hickey made his comments in a wide-ranging interview with Perth's
>Sunday Times newspaper in which he warned that scantily dressed young women
>risk attracting unwanted sexual attention and attacked the promotion of
>condoms as a safe-sex aid.
>
>However, Archbishop Hickey distanced him from the controversial comments
>last month by Australian mufti Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, who compared
>immodestly dressed women with uncovered meat.
>
>"But it (exploitation) is a different thing," he told the Sunday Times.
>"There are risks in (dressing revealingly) because they will attract the
>attention of men and then they'll have to deal with that and sometimes they
>might not want that attention that they will get.
>
>"There's a case for modesty of dress to do with the dignity of women and
>maybe young people growing up haven't quite got that understanding.
>
>"Dress is something to do with presenting oneself to the world and that
>dignity of womanhood should be part of life, not just sexual allure."
>
Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men who
cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they are all
stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
AMBAN
>
>
--
Patrick Barker - 12 Nov 2006 - +And once again, ..... you pull out the old lie
that church officials "CLAIM" to be moral authorities. They do not. Stop saying
it. + Church officials SHOULD lead upright and moral lives
that SHOULD be above reproach. Just like all cops, security
people, bus drivers, babysitters should maintain the highest standards.
Alan Ferris
wrote:
>
>Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men who
>cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they are all
>stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
Because he is a man who is told to be celibate by his faith, but is
told to get it on by his body. The church has taught him to blame
women for all the wrongs of the world, including his feelings.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Valerie
Alan Ferris wrote:
When the best that can be said for the Church's positions is that they are slightly
less extreme than fundamentalist Islam, something is wrong.
"..for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"
Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
Newk Indofman
"Valerie" <Val...@VforVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:45607232...@VforVendetta.uk...
>
>
> Alan Ferris wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2006 07:32:58 -0800, AMBAN <revetah...@sap234.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men
>> >who
>> >cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they
>> >are all
>> >stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
>>
>> Because he is a man who is told to be celibate by his faith, but is
>> told to get it on by his body. The church has taught him to blame
>> women for all the wrongs of the world, including his feelings.
>>
>> --
>> Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
>
> When the best that can be said for the Church's positions is that they are
> slightly
> less extreme than fundamentalist Islam, something is wrong.
The same can be said for evangelical Christianity in America. None of them,
of course, are able to see it that way.
miri
>
> Alan Ferris wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2006 07:32:58 -0800, AMBAN <revetah...@sap234.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men who
>>> cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they are all
>>> stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
>> Because he is a man who is told to be celibate by his faith, but is
>> told to get it on by his body. The church has taught him to blame
>> women for all the wrongs of the world, including his feelings.
>>
>> --
>> Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
>
> When the best that can be said for the Church's positions is that they are slightly
> less extreme than fundamentalist Islam, something is wrong.
>
>
Well - it is familiar. My anscestors ran for refuge from the Catholic
church to Islamic Andalucia.
--- Miri
AMBAN
>
>Valerie wrote:
>>
>> Alan Ferris wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2006 07:32:58 -0800, AMBAN <revetah...@sap234.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men who
>>>>cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they are all
>>>> stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
>>> Because he is a man who is told to be celibate by his faith, but is
>>> told to get it on by his body. The church has taught him to blame
>>> women for all the wrongs of the world, including his feelings.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
>>
>>When the best that can be said for the Church's positions is that they are
>>slightly
>> less extreme than fundamentalist Islam, something is wrong.
>>
>>
>
>Well - it is familiar. My anscestors ran for refuge from the Catholic
>church to Islamic Andalucia.
>
>--- Miri
Some of my ancestors ran from France to escape being murdered by the church.
Another had a dispute with the church in France and left for Slovakia. One of
my ancestors was starved to death in a tower at Oxford because of the church.
AMBAN
>
>>
>> "..for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"
>> Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
>>
>>
Valerie
AMBAN wrote:
> In article <1ab8h.2131$XQ1....@newsfe18.lga>, miri says...
> >
> >Valerie wrote:
> >>
> >> Alan Ferris wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 18 Nov 2006 07:32:58 -0800, AMBAN <revetah...@sap234.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Why do these men blame women for the way they dress rather than the men who
> >>>>cannot control their urges? These are spiritual leaders? I think they are all
> >>>> stuck at a sexual maturity of grade school.
> >>> Because he is a man who is told to be celibate by his faith, but is
> >>> told to get it on by his body. The church has taught him to blame
> >>> women for all the wrongs of the world, including his feelings.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
> >>
> >>When the best that can be said for the Church's positions is that they are
> >>slightly
> >> less extreme than fundamentalist Islam, something is wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well - it is familiar. My anscestors ran for refuge from the Catholic
> >church to Islamic Andalucia.
> >
> >--- Miri
>
> Some of my ancestors ran from France to escape being murdered by the church.
> Another had a dispute with the church in France and left for Slovakia. One of
> my ancestors was starved to death in a tower at Oxford because of the church.
>
> AMBAN
The woman for whom I am named took her own life as she was about to be arrested for
being daemon in human form, a charge levelled largely for backing the House of York in
the War of the Roses, and the charge was approved of by the local clerics.
If she took her life before the charge was read, the Church could not grab the
land....so she did....
>
> >
> >>
> >> "..for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"
> >> Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Patrick Barker - 12 Nov 2006 - +And once again, ..... you pull out the old lie
> that church officials "CLAIM" to be moral authorities. They do not. Stop saying
> it. + Church officials SHOULD lead upright and moral lives
> that SHOULD be above reproach. Just like all cops, security
> people, bus drivers, babysitters should maintain the highest standards.
--
"I remember how the meaning of words began to change. I remember how "different"
became dangerous. I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much. ...the first
time we kissed I knew I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again... She grew
Scarlet Carsons for me in our window box and our place always smelt of roses. Those
were the best years of my life...for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"