Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
Karen
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic
bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice
won't be completed until the end of next year. But the authors said their
evidence to date found no data indicating that homosexuality was a predictor
of abuse.
"What we are suggesting is that the idea of sexual identity be separated
from the problem of sexual abuse," said Margaret Smith of John Jay College,
in a speech to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "At this point, we
do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased
likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now."
The question has been raised repeatedly within and outside the church
because the overwhelming majority of known victims were boys. As part of the
church's response to the crisis, the Vatican ordered a review of all U.S.
seminaries that, among other issues, looked for any "evidence of
homosexuality" in the schools.
Yet, many experts on sex offenders reject any link between sexual
orientation and committing abuse. Karen Terry, a John Jay researcher, said
it was important to distinguish between sexual identity and behavior, and to
look at who the offender had access to when seeking victims.
The bishops commissioned the $2 million study as part of widespread reforms
they enacted at the height of the abuse crisis. The scandal erupted in 2002
with the case of one predator priest in the Archdiocese of Boston, then
spread to every U.S. diocese and beyond.
Almost 14,000 molestation claims have been filed against Catholic clergy
since 1950, according to tallies the bishops have released in recent years.
Abuse-related costs have reached at least $2.3 billion in the same period.
At the meeting Tuesday, Bishop Edward Braxton of the Diocese of Belleville,
Ill., asked the researchers whether their study indicated that homosexuality
should be considered when evaluating a candidate for the priesthood. In
2005, the Vatican issued a policy statement that men with "deep-seated"
attraction to other men should be barred from the priesthood.
Smith said: "If that exclusion were based on the fact that that person would
be more probable than any other candidate to abuse, we do not find that at
this time."
The latest findings affirmed previous reports that the rate of clergy abuse
has declined steeply since the mid 1980s. Most of the claims being made now
involve allegations of abuse from decades ago.
In a separate move on Tuesday, the bishops adopted a pastoral letter
affirming the church's definition of marriage being between one man and one
woman, and that sex is meant for procreation.
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duke
<ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
wrote:
>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
The Dukester, American-American
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ar...@hobbiton.net
wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>
>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
Associated Press report.
And while you're at it, give P Barker a whistle. His world view
needs some adjustment, and this report might help.
Patrick
> Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted Associated
> Press report. And while you're at it, give P Barker a whistle. His
> world view needs some adjustment, and this report might help.
>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman
>>>Catholic
>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a
bed & breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called
for "man-boy" love.
David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.
Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.
James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child pornography in Sanders' home.
Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homosexuals who have sexually assaulted children under their care.
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.
The report, "Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant," by Douglas Montero, is the result of an analysis of 117 cases of
sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat sex
offenders.
The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the sex offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, "Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
sexual relationship with the stu- dent." The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homosexuals!
Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as "homosexual" or "bisexual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.
Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
"heterosexual" males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals.
However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do heterosexuals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals "sexually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls."
This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across
the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found
that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., "Adolescent Sex
Offenders-Vermont, 1984" Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were
bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, "Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters," Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. "Pedophilia and
Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)
From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homosexual/Pedophile Link
Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in "'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against sex with children continues to erode,"
Eberstadt notes:
ar...@hobbiton.net
wrote:
><ar...@hobbiton.net> wrote ...
>
>> Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted Associated
>> Press report. And while you're at it, give P Barker a whistle. His
>> world view needs some adjustment, and this report might help.
>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman
>>>>Catholic
>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
>
>Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
>San Diego on three counts of child rape.
Snip remainder of irrelevant polemic, copied without attribution from
http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000269.php.
Interesting red herring, slug -- stolen, as it was, from a protestant
web site. Quite an odd thing to see offered in opposition to a
statement of the principal findings of a "preliminary report
commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to investigate the
clergy sex abuse scandal."
Don't you trust the people working for your own bishops? What will
you offer next to oppose the final report -- something from Phelps, or
perhaps a Chick tract?
Not only is your pilfered bleat nearly five years old, it speaks of
NAMBLA as if it were in any way relevant. That organization started
to disappear in the mid 1990s, ten years before your quoted squawk was
first posted. By now there's virtually nothing left of NAMBLA --
except for a web site providing nothing current, a National
Headquarters in San Francisco consisting of little more than a private
mail box service, and a telephone contact number in New York.
You love to gloat about kicking all the "fags" out of seminaries and
the priesthood, as if that would take care of everything. It won't.
I believe you also found some value in the initial John Jay Report?
Apparently you didn't bother to notice the source of these latest
findings:
"The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal
justice won't be completed until the end of next year. But the authors
said their evidence to date found no data indicating that
homosexuality was a predictor of abuse."
Even your oft-derided Pope Benny gets it: "�I would not speak at this
moment about homosexuality, but pedophilia, which is another thing.
And we would absolutely exclude pedophiles from the sacred ministry.�
That's what Joe Ratzo said when he landed at Andrews AFB last year and
spoke of the RCC's child sex abuse scandal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/nationalspecial2/15cnd-pope.html?_r=1&ex=1208923200&en=d62bc42c3d398fef&ei=5070&emc=eta1
Oops ... That's the NY Times -- too liberal for you, perhaps?
How about your favourite fair-and-balanced source, FoxNews?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351369,00.html
Patrick
>>> while you're at it, give P Barker a whistle. His
>>> world view needs some adjustment, and this report might help.
>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman
>>>>>Catholic
>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no
>>>>>evidence
>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
>>
>>Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002
>>in
>>San Diego on three counts of child rape.
>
> Snip remainder of irrelevant polemic, copied without attribution from
> http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000269.php.
> Interesting red herring, slug
I thought so.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have used it.
-- stolen, as it was, from a protestant web site.
I have used it before, many times where dipwads require
some motivation and a hot button to make them squal.
> Quite an odd thing to see offered in opposition to a
> statement of the principal findings of a "preliminary report
> commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to investigate the
> clergy sex abuse scandal."
One has nothing to do with the other, except to allow me
some amusement when you squeal.
> Don't you trust the people working for your own bishops?
It hasn't always been to the betterment of mankind.
The shrinks in the 1970's and 1980's were liars then and now.
>What will
> you offer next to oppose the final report -- something from Phelps, or
> perhaps a Chick tract?
If it blows yer skirt up, arj.
> Not only is your pilfered bleat nearly five years old,
I've used it for 5 years, thats fer sure.
And it pisses you off every single time.
> it speaks of
> NAMBLA as if it were in any way relevant. That organization started
> to disappear in the mid 1990s, ten years before your quoted squawk was
> first posted. By now there's virtually nothing left of NAMBLA --
> except for a web site providing nothing current, a National
> Headquarters in San Francisco consisting of little more than a private
> mail box service, and a telephone contact number in New York.
It seems like you would know.
Personally I don't keep up with them.
> You love to gloat about kicking all the "fags" out of seminaries and
> the priesthood, as if that would take care of everything. It won't.
I am not gloating.
I would if we could actually do it, but both of us know
we can't get rid of all them fags.
> I believe you also found some value in the initial John Jay Report?
> Apparently you didn't bother to notice the source of these latest
> findings:
> "The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal
> justice won't be completed until the end of next year. But the authors
> said their evidence to date found no data indicating that
> homosexuality was a predictor of abuse."
<yawn>
That particular source gives me no pleasure or no ammo to
use against the fags. Therefore, it is of little use to me.
> Even your oft-derided Pope Benny gets it: ""I would not speak at this
> moment about homosexuality, but pedophilia, which is another thing.
> And we would absolutely exclude pedophiles from the sacred ministry."
> That's what Joe Ratzo said when he landed at Andrews AFB last year and
> spoke of the RCC's child sex abuse scandal.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/nationalspecial2/15cnd-pope.html?_r=1&ex=1208923200&en=d62bc42c3d398fef&ei=5070&emc=eta1
So?
> Oops ... That's the NY Times -- too liberal for you, perhaps?
> How about your favourite fair-and-balanced source, FoxNews?
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351369,00.html
Gotta go. Fixin pumpkin pie with the grand-daughters.
duke
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>
>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>
>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
I know.
>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>Associated Press report.
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to
2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first
comprehensive national study of the issue.
And?
>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic
>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
The Dukester, American-American
duke
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>
>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>
>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
>
>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>Associated Press report.
Ok, here it is: "WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests
ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according
to the first comprehensive national study of the issue."
Now we well know that. That's the published data in the JJ report.
The Dukester, American-American
ar...@hobbiton.net
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0500, ar...@hobbiton.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>>wrote:
>>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>>
>>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>>
>>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
>
>I know.
>
>>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>>Associated Press report.
>
>WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to
>2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first
>comprehensive national study of the issue.
>
>And?
And, douche, you are not quoting the Associated Press report which
began this thread.
That, however, is no more than the kind of dishonesty you have shown
since before you stopped posting as Earl Weber and began using a
different handle.
ar...@hobbiton.net
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0500, ar...@hobbiton.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>>wrote:
>>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>>
>>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>>
>>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
>>
>>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>>Associated Press report.
>
>Ok, here it is: "WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests
>ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according
>to the first comprehensive national study of the issue."
You are either impossibly stubborn in your dishonesty, Earl, or you
are mind-bogglingly stupid. I see no reason to present a third
possibility.
That is _still_ not "the quoted Associated Press report" in question.
>Now we well know that. That's the published data in the JJ report.
And the quoted Associated Press report refers to a work in progress by
the same people, Earl -- "researchers at the John Jay College of
Criminal Justice."
That AP report still survives, below.
duke
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:17:18 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0500, ar...@hobbiton.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>>>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>>>
>>>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>>>
>>>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
>>
>>I know.
>>
>>>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>>>Associated Press report.
>>
>>WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to
>>2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first
>>comprehensive national study of the issue.
>>
>>And?
>
>And, douche, you are not quoting the Associated Press report which
>began this thread.
>That, however, is no more than the kind of dishonesty you have shown
>since before you stopped posting as Earl Weber and began using a
>different handle.
I went to the referenced site, little rj.
>>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic
>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
There you go - not a homosexual problem.
duke
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:15:45 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:30 -0500, ar...@hobbiton.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:47 -0600, douche <duckg...@cox.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:05:17 -0500, "Karen"
>>>><ratprick-the-slug-"married"-older-retardo-dog-an...@old.heritage.beavercreek.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Report: Homosexuality no factor in abusive priests
>>>>
>>>>http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
>>>
>>>No mention there of homosexuality, douche.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, do read at least the first paragraph of the quoted
>>>Associated Press report.
>>
>>Ok, here it is: "WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests
>>ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according
>>to the first comprehensive national study of the issue."
>You are either impossibly stubborn in your dishonesty, Earl, or you
>are mind-bogglingly stupid. I see no reason to present a third
>possibility.
Then I will - you are too incredibly stupid to clarify your point.
If it's that homos are not the Church problem, I concur.
Patrick
> And the quoted Associated Press report refers to a work in progress by
> the same people, Earl -- "researchers at the John Jay College of
> Criminal Justice."
Oh, stop it. You can't make that statement without
further investigation. I don't believe for one minute that
it was the SAME TEAM that provided both reports.
Not for a minute.
Patrick
> That AP report still survives, below.
>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman
>>>>>Catholic
>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no
>>>>>evidence
>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
November 17, 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
John Jay Researchers Offer Update On Causes And Context Study; Early
Findings Confirm Steep Decline In Sexual Abuse Cases After 1985,
Emphasizethe Importance Of Seminary Training
WASHINGTON-Researchers from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice
presented an Interim Report on the Causes and Context Study on sexual abuse
of minors by clergy at the November assembly of the United States Conference
of Catholic Bishops (USCCB). The bishops called for the Study as part of
their response to the sexual abuse crisis when they adopted the Charter for
the Protection of Children and Young People in 2002.
The Causes and Context research seeks to explain the rise in incidence of
sexual abuse by priests in the late 1960s and 1970s and its subsequent
decline after 1985. Karen Terry, PhD, the principal researcher on the
Study, reported on the synthesis of information from several independent
data sources that confirmed the explanation for this variation that was
previously reported to the bishops. The Study involves gathering and
analyzing archival research and collecting data from priests, psychologists,
sociologists, and the U.S. bishops. Funding was provided by the USCCB, the
National Institute of Justice, and several foundations.
The Causes and Context Study was pursued by the bishops in order to
understand more fully the problem of clergy sexual abuse and what needs to
be done to keep children safe in the Church's care.
The completed Causes and Context Study is expected in December of 2010.
Findings will be made public so that what the Catholic Church learns will
benefit others working with youth in and outside of the Church.
The Interim Report found that:
-- Data on cases of abuse reported after 2002 reflect the same pattern of
incidence found nationally - the rise of sexual abuse in the 1960s and the
decline in the 1980s. There is no evidence that unreported cases will be
brought forward that change the overall time frame of the problem.
-- The pattern of deviant sexual behavior by clerics is consistent with
several other behavioral changes in society between 1960 and 1990, including
use of drugs, and an increase in divorce and criminal behavior.
-- Clergy who as seminarians had explicit human formation preparation seem
to have been less likely to abuse than those without such preparation.
-- Diocesan responses to charges of abuse by clerics changed substantially
over a 50-year period, with decreases in reinstatement and more
administrative leave given to abusers in recent years.
ar...@hobbiton.net
Good for you, tiny Earl.
>>>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic
>>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
>
>There you go - not a homosexual problem.
And here _you_ go: on retrospect I've realized that I came across
your post right after reading something from the slug, a.k.a. Patrick,
and expected to read something from you in a vein similar to his usual
approach.
The slug professes to blame homosexuals among the clergy and all
psychiatrists for the abuses which precipitated the current crisis
within the RCC; I was anticipating the same from you.
That was unjust of me.
ar...@hobbiton.net
wrote:
Nor did I say so, slug. There is nothing up there to indicate I
believe the same individuals are involved. "The same people" means
the gang at John Jay College who are competent to engage in projects
of this kind.
Patrick
Ohhhhhhhh Kayyyyyyyyyyyyy.
I've always said the "same" people when they are the "same" people.
Patrick
> The slug professes to blame homosexuals among the clergy and all
> psychiatrists for the abuses which precipitated the current crisis
> within the RCC; I was anticipating the same from you.
> That was unjust of me.
You and I both know the truth.
Its just that I overemphasize certain hot button topics,
and you NEVER do that.......?
default
wrote:
><ar...@hobbiton.net> wrote ...
>
>> That AP report still survives, below.
>>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman
>>>>>>Catholic
>>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no
>>>>>>evidence
>>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
>
>November 17, 2009
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>John Jay Researchers Offer Update On Causes And Context Study; Early
>Findings Confirm Steep Decline In Sexual Abuse Cases After 1985,
>Emphasizethe Importance Of Seminary Training
>
No where in the attached interim report findings, does it state that
there was a "steep decline" or that a steep decline can be attributed
to "Seminary Training."
This would seem to indicate that the Catholic Church has found a way
to reprogram pedophile offenders simply by changing the course of
study at the seminary's. This seems highly unlikely, given the number
of repeat offenders around. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile, is
the criminal justice system's opinion.
Good chance of that statement being true - given the spotlight that
has been on priests in the last decade. Now even their colleagues
should be turning in suspected priests - instead of turning a blind
eye, and parents won't be sending their children off on "retreats"
with priests anymore, and priests won't be allowed in a room with
children unless it is well supervised.
This is one of those situations where you have to ask: "Is it Because
of what they did ,or in SPITE of what they did?"
>
>-- The pattern of deviant sexual behavior by clerics is consistent with
>several other behavioral changes in society between 1960 and 1990, including
>use of drugs, and an increase in divorce and criminal behavior.
Sounds like criminal behavior, drugs and such, has invaded the
seminary's doesn't it? or two wrongs make a right, or we who speak
for god are no better than anyone else, or it is society's fault and
we are just victims. Shifting the blame again.
>
>-- Clergy who as seminarians had explicit human formation preparation seem
>to have been less likely to abuse than those without such preparation.
I wonder what "explicit human formation preparation" is? It sounds
more like double speak to me. They sit the seminarians down and
prepare them to become human?
No amount of searching did more than quote the "explicit human
formation preparation" statement. Not used in psychology anywhere.
Only hits were quoting the bishop's propaganda piece. Only 11 hits
total.
I guess only sheep are supposed to read this stuff.
>
>-- Diocesan responses to charges of abuse by clerics changed substantially
>over a 50-year period, with decreases in reinstatement and more
>administrative leave given to abusers in recent years.
>
Yup. Hold their feet to the fire, long enough, and even the mighty
RCC will move a little bit. Their taunted "million dollar study," is
a mere drop in the bucket (or collection plate).
The carefully crafted USCCB's masterful propaganda piece, seems to
have a few holes in it.
--
Patrick
> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote:
>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>John Jay Researchers Offer Update On Causes And Context Study; Early
>>Findings Confirm Steep Decline In Sexual Abuse Cases After 1985,
>>Emphasizethe Importance Of Seminary Training
>>
> No where in the attached interim report findings, does it state that
> there was a "steep decline" or that a steep decline can be attributed
> to "Seminary Training."
If you look real close, there is a comma between "cases after 1985,"
and "emphasize the importance of Seminary Training."
If you look it up, you might fine that a "comma" separates items in
a series.... For example.....
" Early Findings Confirm Steep Decline........
Then a comma.....
The (perhaps) it means: "Early Findings" also confirm: THE IMPORTANCE
OF SEMINARY TRAINING.....
One item does not cause the other.
These are two separate "findings" that "confirm" something.
Think about it for a while.... then get back to me....
> This would seem to indicate
You are reaching again.
You are basing one conclusion on the false interpretation of
your original piece-o-crap.
> that the Catholic Church has found a way
> to reprogram pedophile offenders simply by changing the course of
> study at the seminary's.
Your interpretation. And it is incorrect.
Stop assuming stupid stuff.
> This seems highly unlikely, given the number
> of repeat offenders around. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile, is
> the criminal justice system's opinion.
Pretty much everyone agrees NOW.
That was not the consensus back in the 1970's
Have you forgotten all of the following places:
Johns Hopkins University Sexual Disorders Clinic
Institute of Living, Hartford Connecticut
Seton Psychiatric Institute, Baltimore, Maryland
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at John Hopkins University
School of Medicine
Clinic and Polyclinic for Child and Youth Psychiatry/Psychotherapy at the
University of Ulm, Germany
Paraclete Center
Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Hospital in Chicago
Money-Berlin sex clinic,"
Menninger Foundation in Topeka, Kansas
Carelink, St Vincents Hospital, Melbourne
Ballarat.
pastoral psychology at Loyola College in Baltimore
Jemez Springs, New Mexico
Royal Ottawa Hospital
McLean Hospital in Belmont,
Arizona treatment center
Harvard Medical School, Boston, USA
Institute for Forensic Psychiatry, Free University of Berlin, Germany
Queen's University, Ontario, Canada
Forensic Psychotherapy at the University of Ulm,
Psychosomatic illness and Psychotherapy, University of Gie?en, Germany.
Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons in
Bridgewater
St. Luke Institute -
Kinsey Institute at the University of Indiana
Berlin/Money Sexual Disorders Clinic s
Trinity House, an outpatient clinic in Chicago
Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality,
Rosenberg Clinic in Galveston ... Active treatment, especially chemical
treatment,
Tulane School of Social Work.
What does that have to do with anything?
Of course the statement is true that sexual abuse by priests
rose in the 60's and 870's, and declined in the 1980's.
The spotlight in THIS decade didn't have any cause or effect of the
decline of the sexual abuse in the 1980's.
> Now even their colleagues
> should be turning in suspected priests - instead of turning a blind
> eye, and parents won't be sending their children off on "retreats"
> with priests anymore, and priests won't be allowed in a room with
> children unless it is well supervised.
Gosh.
Welcome to 2002.
Glad to see you could make it.
> This is one of those situations where you have to ask: "Is it Because
> of what they did ,or in SPITE of what they did?"
I don't have to ask anything.
It is cause and effect.
Crisis pertaining to poor decisions made by bishops in the past.
Voila' !! New procedures and decisions.
WOW. I wonder why?
Or perhaps you are the one wondering.....
>>-- The pattern of deviant sexual behavior by clerics is consistent with
>>several other behavioral changes in society between 1960 and 1990,
>>including
>>use of drugs, and an increase in divorce and criminal behavior.
>
> Sounds like criminal behavior, drugs and such, has invaded the
> seminary's doesn't it? or two wrongs make a right, or we who speak
> for god are no better than anyone else, or it is society's fault and
> we are just victims. Shifting the blame again.
Merely stating a fact.
Humanity is going to hell in a hand basket.
With the advent and progress of communications, people now
feel they are in control of their own destinies, and they don't need
God anymore. Look where this has gotten us.
>>-- Clergy who as seminarians had explicit human formation preparation seem
>>to have been less likely to abuse than those without such preparation.
>
> I wonder what "explicit human formation preparation" is? It sounds
> more like double speak to me. They sit the seminarians down and
> prepare them to become human?
Parental control when the seminarian was young.
Parents screw up their kids worse than anything else.
Good parenting would have formed good, healthy, kids.
> No amount of searching did more than quote the "explicit human
> formation preparation" statement. Not used in psychology anywhere.
> Only hits were quoting the bishop's propaganda piece. Only 11 hits
> total.
Too bad you don't understand that parental guidance
is one of the most important things we can do when
we become parents of children. It is an awesome responsibility,
and too many people depend on the state to raise their kids.
> I guess only sheep are supposed to read this stuff.
Sheep, liberals, crummy parents who send their kids off to school
and expect the teachers to teach their kids to be decent, law-abiding,
honest citizens who understand responsibility, the importance of education,
and ambition.
Are you one o dem sheeps?
>>-- Diocesan responses to charges of abuse by clerics changed substantially
>>over a 50-year period, with decreases in reinstatement and more
>>administrative leave given to abusers in recent years.
>>
> Yup. Hold their feet to the fire, long enough, and even the mighty
> RCC will move a little bit. Their taunted "million dollar study," is
> a mere drop in the bucket (or collection plate).
Cause and effect.
It has continued to educate humanity for thousands of years.
> The carefully crafted USCCB's masterful propaganda piece, seems to
> have a few holes in it.
Only because you don't understand what it is saying.
I certainly do not defend the report, or how it was
written, what it claims, or why it was necessary.
It is what it is.
It wasn't written to confuse, baffle, befuddle your poor mind.
Although, it seems to have done this.
Karen
slimed...
> Would you like a list of treatment centers set up by the church?
> Johns Hopkins University Sexual Disorders Clinic
No such place
> Institute of Living, Hartford Connecticut
Opened in 1824 as the Connecticut Retreat for the Insane.
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Seton Psychiatric Institute, Baltimore, Maryland
Set up by the Daughters of Charity in 1844.
Looks like the DoC knew about paedophile priests back then!
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at John Hopkins
> University School of Medicine
Set up by a Quaker.
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Clinic and Polyclinic for Child and Youth Psychiatry/Psychotherapy at the
> University of Ulm, Germany
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Paraclete Center
" Fitzgerald warned American bishops in forceful letters dating back to 1952
that pedophiles should be removed from the priesthood because they could not
be cured."
"In 1962 he advised Vatican officials in person that pedophiles could not be
cured and repeated it in person to Pope Paul VI."
> Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University, has studied sexual abuse in
> the priesthood.
Oh dear, Jenkins is a person!!
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Hospital in Chicago
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Money-Berlin sex clinic,"
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Menninger Foundation in Topeka, Kansas
"Dr. C.F. and Karl Menninger establish The Menninger Clinic for the practice
of general medicine and psychiatry in 1919"
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Carelink, St Vincents Hospital, Melbourne
"St Vincent's Hospital was opened in 1893 as a Catholic hospital owned and
operated by the Sisters of Charity."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Ballarat.
City in Victoria, Australia.
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> pastoral psychology at Loyola College in Baltimore
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Jemez Springs, New Mexico
"Jemez Springs is a village in Sandoval County, New Mexico, United States."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Royal Ottawa Hospital
"The Royal Ottawa Hospital was originally built in 1910 as a sanatorium for
people with tuberculosis"
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> McLean Hospital in Belmont,
"McLean was founded in 1811 in a section of Charlestown, Massachusetts, that
is now a part of neighboring Somerville, Massachusetts. Originally named
Asylum for the Insane, it was the first institution organized by a
cooperation of prominent Bostonians who were concerned about homeless
mentally ill persons"
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Arizona treatment center
Which one?
> Harvard Medical School, Boston, USA
"The school is the third oldest medical school in the U.S. and was founded
by Dr. John Warren on September 19th, 1782 with Benjamin Waterhouse, and
Aaron Dexter. "
Warren was CofE, Waterhouse was a Quaker and Dexter's religion is unknown
AFAIK.
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Institute for Forensic Psychiatry, Free University of Berlin, Germany
"It was founded in 1948 by students and staff who were relegated because of
their political views from Humboldt University of Berlin, formerly the
traditional Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universit�t of Berlin, and at that time
controlled by the authorities in the Soviet sector."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Queen's University, Ontario, Canada
"The Church of Scotland established Queen's College at Kingston, Ontario in
1841 with a royal charter from Queen Victoria."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Forensic Psychotherapy at the University of Ulm,
"The university was founded in 1967 and focuses on natural sciences,
medicine and the engineering sciences, mathematics/ economics and computer
science."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Psychosomatic illness and Psychotherapy, University of Gie?en, Germany.
No such place
> Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons in
> Bridgewater
"The Massachusetts Treatment Center is located within the Bridgewater
Correctional Complex and is a unique facility due to having a population of
civilly committed Sexually Dangerous Persons as well as state prison inmates
identified as sex offenders. Each population is located within separate
areas of the facility."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> St. Luke Institute -
"Saint Luke Institute was founded in 1977 by Reverend Michael Peterson,
M.D., a priest of the Archdiocese of Washington. Peterson, who trained as a
psychiatrist at the University of California San Francisco before entering
the priesthood, sought to bring advances in mental health treatment to
priests, particularly those with substance abuse issues"
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Kinsey Institute at the University of Indiana
"The Institute was founded as the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana
University in 1947 by Dr. Alfred Kinsey, then an entomologist and zoologist
at IU. Its original goals were the study of human sexuality and human sexual
behavior. In 1948 and 1953 the Institute published two monographs on human
sexuality, generally now known as the Kinsey Reports."
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Berlin/Money Sexual Disorders Clinic s
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Trinity House, an outpatient clinic in Chicago
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality,
?????
> Rosenberg Clinic in Galveston ... Active treatment, especially chemical
> treatment,
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Tulane School of Social Work.
Not a "treatment centers set up by the church".
> Let me thank Karen for showing more of the
> lies that I provide.
+ YAWN
>All of the - ALL - of the multiple abusers were all in treatment
> at one time or more.
Another blatant lie.
Please provide proof for your reckless statement.
Please provide a list of ALL the "multiple abusers" who YOU claim were "in
treatment at one time or more".
Find a list of countries in alphabetical order, if you can.
Start at the letter "A", and list ALL the "multiple abusers" who YOU claim
were "in treatment at one time or more".
default
wrote:
>"default" <def...@defaulter.net> wrote ...
>> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote:
>
>>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>John Jay Researchers Offer Update On Causes And Context Study; Early
>>>Findings Confirm Steep Decline In Sexual Abuse Cases After 1985,
>>>Emphasizethe Importance Of Seminary Training
>>>
>> No where in the attached interim report findings, does it state that
>> there was a "steep decline" or that a steep decline can be attributed
>> to "Seminary Training."
>
>If you look real close, there is a comma between "cases after 1985,"
>and "emphasize the importance of Seminary Training."
>If you look it up, you might fine that a "comma" separates items in
>a series.... For example.....
>" Early Findings Confirm Steep Decline........
>Then a comma.....
>The (perhaps) it means: "Early Findings" also confirm: THE IMPORTANCE
>OF SEMINARY TRAINING.....
>
>One item does not cause the other.
>These are two separate "findings" that "confirm" something.
>Think about it for a while.... then get back to me....
>
The way the sentence is crafted, one would assume the two things are
related. A comma is a pause. Then perhaps the sentence is intended
to mislead.
>
>> This would seem to indicate
>
>You are reaching again.
>You are basing one conclusion on the false interpretation of
>your original piece-o-crap.
>
>
>
>> that the Catholic Church has found a way
>> to reprogram pedophile offenders simply by changing the course of
>> study at the seminary's.
>
>Your interpretation. And it is incorrect.
>Stop assuming stupid stuff.
Just reading what they are pushing. If they meant to disassociate the
two ideas they would have said so. They want you Catholics to think
that they have a cure for the problem. That's what this whole dog and
pony show is rigged for.
>
>
>> This seems highly unlikely, given the number
>> of repeat offenders around. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile, is
>> the criminal justice system's opinion.
>
>Pretty much everyone agrees NOW.
>That was not the consensus back in the 1970's
>Have you forgotten all of the following places:
>Johns Hopkins University Sexual Disorders Clinic
>
snipped irrelevant
The reports of sexual abuse have declined, we take it on faith that
the incidences also declined. I was merely agreeing. I suspect the
intense scrutiny has more to do with that, than the efforts of the
bishops.
>
>> Now even their colleagues
>> should be turning in suspected priests - instead of turning a blind
>> eye, and parents won't be sending their children off on "retreats"
>> with priests anymore, and priests won't be allowed in a room with
>> children unless it is well supervised.
>
>Gosh.
>Welcome to 2002.
>Glad to see you could make it.
>
>
>> This is one of those situations where you have to ask: "Is it Because
>> of what they did ,or in SPITE of what they did?"
>
>I don't have to ask anything.
>It is cause and effect.
No. There's no proof to support that statement. The bishop's well-
propagandized little show, may have much less to do with the results,
than the press coverage, big bucks to lawyers, and PUBLIC AWARENESS.
>Crisis pertaining to poor decisions made by bishops in the past.
>Voila' !! New procedures and decisions.
>WOW. I wonder why?
Could it have something to do with the appearance the scandals
provide, the huge monetary losses, the loss of faith in the church?
The bishops haven't done much at all except damage control - this is
99% public relations campaign on their part.
And the bishops didn't make "poor decisions" they covered up crimes,
protected criminals, and allowed criminals to commit crimes.
>Or perhaps you are the one wondering.....
>
I am wondering, and you should be.
>
>>>-- The pattern of deviant sexual behavior by clerics is consistent with
>>>several other behavioral changes in society between 1960 and 1990,
>>>including
>>>use of drugs, and an increase in divorce and criminal behavior.
>>
>> Sounds like criminal behavior, drugs and such, has invaded the
>> seminary's doesn't it? or two wrongs make a right, or we who speak
>> for god are no better than anyone else, or it is society's fault and
>> we are just victims. Shifting the blame again.
>
>Merely stating a fact.
>Humanity is going to hell in a hand basket.
>With the advent and progress of communications, people now
>feel they are in control of their own destinies, and they don't need
>God anymore. Look where this has gotten us.
>
The church has been singing that tune for ages. Old folks are noted
for repeating the hell in a hand basket refrain. These are people who
have lost their edge, and feel threatened by change, the old and
lifeless.
Religion is one of the problems, not the solution.
The world isn't going to solve its problems, that much seems apparent.
Religion is merely a tool in the hands of power hungry, lazy, greedy,
men.
>
>>>-- Clergy who as seminarians had explicit human formation preparation seem
>>>to have been less likely to abuse than those without such preparation.
>>
>> I wonder what "explicit human formation preparation" is? It sounds
>> more like double speak to me. They sit the seminarians down and
>> prepare them to become human?
>
>Parental control when the seminarian was young.
>Parents screw up their kids worse than anything else.
>Good parenting would have formed good, healthy, kids.
>
They are blaming the parents too? They may be onto something there -
abused children grow into abusers. They are assuming their problems
started in the 50's - but in the 50's they still had a hold on people
and could pretty much do what they wanted.
>
>> No amount of searching did more than quote the "explicit human
>> formation preparation" statement. Not used in psychology anywhere.
>> Only hits were quoting the bishop's propaganda piece. Only 11 hits
>> total.
>
>Too bad you don't understand that parental guidance
>is one of the most important things we can do when
>we become parents of children. It is an awesome responsibility,
>and too many people depend on the state to raise their kids.
>
There should be fewer children and less people. Most of the parents
raising children are doing it to gratify their own desires not for
some altruistic desire to better mankind. And what parent hasn't
egged on their own children to hatch out grandchildren?
This is the way weak people deal with mortality - god and children.
>
>> I guess only sheep are supposed to read this stuff.
>
>Sheep, liberals, crummy parents who send their kids off to school
>and expect the teachers to teach their kids to be decent, law-abiding,
>honest citizens who understand responsibility, the importance of education,
>and ambition.
>Are you one o dem sheeps?
>
Only the church almighty presumes to be the shepherd of its mindless
flocks. Christ was a shepherd? Christ was a liberal (no question
there).
Ambition is just a politically acceptable way of spinning GREED to
make it sound acceptable and noble. Christ didn't teach ambition by
word or deed.
>
>
>>>-- Diocesan responses to charges of abuse by clerics changed substantially
>>>over a 50-year period, with decreases in reinstatement and more
>>>administrative leave given to abusers in recent years.
>>>
>> Yup. Hold their feet to the fire, long enough, and even the mighty
>> RCC will move a little bit. Their taunted "million dollar study," is
>> a mere drop in the bucket (or collection plate).
>
>Cause and effect.
>It has continued to educate humanity for thousands of years.
>
It has stifled the sciences and mankind for thousands of years you
mean. It has indoctrinated men and spread fear and terror.
>
>> The carefully crafted USCCB's masterful propaganda piece, seems to
>> have a few holes in it.
>
>Only because you don't understand what it is saying.
>I certainly do not defend the report, or how it was
>written, what it claims, or why it was necessary.
>It is what it is.
>It wasn't written to confuse, baffle, befuddle your poor mind.
>Although, it seems to have done this.
>
Of course it was written to mislead. This is a damage control piece
of propaganda, intended to show the mindless that they are on top of
the problem - and in some cases it works very well.
>
--
duke
And you're sucking hind tit.
>>>>>>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jefrFcxVn12A5k7fPVOoHGC7E3owD9C1HO703
>>>>>>>BALTIMORE - A preliminary report commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic
>>>>>>>bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence
>>>>>>>that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest
>>>>>>>children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday.
>>There you go - not a homosexual problem.
>And here _you_ go: on retrospect I've realized that I came across
>your post right after reading something from the slug, a.k.a. Patrick,
>and expected to read something from you in a vein similar to his usual
>approach.
Oh, so now you're blaming Patrick instead of me.