Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Salaries
tedw
Greg Muths Salary
$103,000 for President of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Ind.
$207.683 AS General manager of General Service Board of Alcoholics
Anonymous.
Total Salary: $310,683
You can cofirm it by going to:
You might also check out the salaries of some of the other non-profit
groups helping alcoholics. Betty Ford Center to name just one.
Helping Alcoholics is a good business to get into it seems.
nipntuk
Pay-nis Envy? Keep working that Xian angle of yours tedw, someday
you'll be a recovery mogul too!
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Visit http://www.nacer.org for the real 'Survivor Yucatan'
Virtualoso
<te...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Not yet. Those salaries are dismally below average for a gig of that
scale. Immediate substantial raises are called for!!! Thanks for
alerting us to this.
By the way, how much does that guy in charge of Christianrecovery get?
tedw
That $310,683 was in 2003. Dont know what it is now, but probably
higher. Also dont know if there are any perks: health insurance, paid
vacation, retirement etc. Anybody know?
Bryce L. Martin
:|You pay for it so you should know about it.
The standard justification for such salaries is that they MUST be paid in order
to attract the best and brightest people for such jobs. I'm shocked that you
don't believe this... bet you don't believe in the Easter bunny either.
Have a nice day;
Bryce L. Martin
rrile...@aol.com
are a rabid anti-AA you will use any angle. The CEO of the hospital I
work for makes $500,000, so maybe that's an even better gig to have
Tex
Anything over $3.50 an hour is too damn much. It's the gap the
god-damn gap that turns the fecking world topsy-turvy!
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Bryce L. Martin
:| Those are not outrageous salaries by any stretch.but I guess if you
:|are a rabid anti-AA you will use any angle. The CEO of the hospital I
:|work for makes $500,000, so maybe that's an even better gig to have
Anti AA yes, but not "rabid" by any stretch. CEO's of all types are
outlandishly overpaid. This has been a big issue in the media for years.
Jim McMahon
>You pay for it so you should know about it.
<snip>
Since literature sales make the bulk of the income it would be a
mistake for one to believe that their group contributions are paying
for the CEO salaries. Of the approxmimatley $5 a week I drop in the
hat at my weekly meetings, not even a fraction of one cent makes it up
to GSO. Some groups don't contribute to GSO at all (and they don't
have to).
Being ordinary and nothing special is a full-time job.
jp_mc...@hotmail.com (Jim McMahon in real life)
Bryce L. Martin
Not entirely true, considering that most of the AA literature is sold to AA
members.
Tommy
"Jim McMahon>
> Since literature sales make the bulk of the income it would be a
> mistake for one to believe that their group contributions are paying
> for the CEO salaries. Of the approxmimatley $5 a week I drop in the
> hat at my weekly meetings, not even a fraction of one cent makes it up
> to GSO. Some groups don't contribute to GSO at all (and they don't
> have to).
(Jim McMahon in real life)
Then they are taking money under false pretenses. Unless they state that it
is their policy (group conscience) to ignore the concepts of AAs foundation.
I ignore gorups that don't follow *suggested* guidelines, not because I'm a
deacon or that stuff, but its more likely to be honestly run, if certain
procedures are folowed, Jim.
Our contributions are not paid quid pro, but and then again our structures
are slightly different than the States - we are practically the main lit
contributors in the fellowship. We don't have elaborate HQs or offices and
we run on 'fumes' most of the time - quite well though thanks to voluntary
efforts.
I agree that the 'dominion' of the fellowship should be protected at all
costs by the best in the business and if that means superlative wages then I
expect superlative executives.
Cheers
Tommy
Bill S.
brightest' in the USAinc. I'd like to see some of their jobs outsourced to
those countries.
When L. Dennis Kozlowski wasn't making enough money he stole the rest. Now
that he's been sentenced to eight to 25 years I hope his cell-mate doesn't
him dress up in a prison towel toga. When he's in the shower he's going to
wish he HAD a shower curtain, any shower curtain.
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Charley O
"tedw" <te...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> You pay for it so you should know about it.
>
> Greg Muths Salary
>
> $103,000 for President of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Ind.
>
> $207.683 AS General manager of General Service Board of Alcoholics
> Anonymous.
>
>
> Total Salary: $310,683
>
In a city where dozens of cops and firemen make over 100K per year what do
you expect ? I've met a few of our GM's and I was impressed with each.
tedw
tedw
Robert McGregor
"Charley O" <gate1038...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "tedw" <te...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1127590349....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> You pay for it so you should know about it.
>>
>> Greg Muths Salary
>>
>> $103,000 for President of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Ind.
>>
>> $207.683 AS General manager of General Service Board of Alcoholics
>> Anonymous.
>>
>>
>> Total Salary: $310,683
>>
>
> In a city where dozens of cops and firemen make over 100K per year
> what do you expect ?
Systematic greed. http://tinyurl.com/dn675
> I've met a few of our GM's and I was impressed with each.
I've never met any of them. Nevertheless, in merely observing the
consequences of their
governance, I too am impressed.
http://www.heise.nu/AALawsuit/
http://gsowatch.aamo.info/mex/index.htm#(20)
Bob
Virtualoso
<rrile...@aol.com> wrote:
What's their recovery rate for alkies? Apples to apples, and all that.
John
ceo of one of the HMO's made 23 MILLION last year.
John
John
I thought most the literature was sold to treatment centers.
John
David M
> Whore's always do better than tech sales guys...go figure.
Call the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission! Since both are
engaged in the same line of work, it is obviously a case of gender
discrimination!
;-)
David M
> David M wrote:
>> GaryE wrote:
>>> Whore's always do better than tech sales guys...go figure.
>> Since both are engaged in the same line of work, it is
>> obviously a case of gender discrimination!
>> ;-)
> I figured it was a good straight line and wondered who would
> take it.
> Unfortunately what you say is correct. But then, isn't everyone
> selling something???? ho ho ho ho
Cheer up. It is not always fatal.
Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
Some with the hands of Gold:
The kindest use a knife, because
The dead so soon grow cold.
Some love too little, some too long,
Some sell, and others buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
Yet each man does not die.
-- Oscar Wilde, *A Ballad of Reading Gaol*
Charley O
> Youve met a few GM's?. I didnt realize you were so important.
>
Perhaps you are not familiar with AA. The offices are at 475 Riverside
Drive in NYC and are open for tours / visits mon - fri 9A to 4P. There is a
regular open meeting friday noon, always attended by at least one staff
member. I only live a couple hours away and have visited often. I have
found the manager and staff members receptive to quick chats most of the
time. There is a cafeteria in the building and I have often found an open
spot at one of their tables. You should inquire about Regional Forums.
They are another oportunity to meet the folks. Past GM Bob P was happy to
accept an invitation to speak at our Area Conventiion and that was a great
chance to get to know him pretty well. ANY AA member can participate in
these ways - and I encourage all to do so.
Jim McMahon
I'm not sure what you perceive to be false pretenses. I was simply
stating that of the amount I *personally* contribute to the group I
attend each week, only a fraction of a cent makes it up to the level
of GSO. My math may be off, so let me state it another way. Like
most groups, we first pay our own expenses (coffee, rent, etc, to the
tune of about $1200 a month). Then we contribute any execess over our
prudent reserve to other levels of A.A. For my main group, we average
approximately $130 a month we contribute directly to GSO. So, for the
$10.0 per month I *personally* contribute, most of it is not getting
to GSO. More of it is spent on rent and coffee than was sent to GSO.
Being ordinary and nothing special is a full-time job.
jp_mc...@hotmail.com (Jim McMahon in real life)
Jim McMahon
Yes, of course AA literature is sold to AA members (and non-members).
I was simnply pointing out that it's mainly literature revenue, not
group contributions, that keeps GSO in business. In fact, literature
prices are adjusted periodically to accomodate shifts in voluntary
contributions.
I think it's silly to worry about what a GSO executive makes, but if
one is really concnerned about it they could "boycott" by not making
any contributions and not buying any literature - after all, the Big
Book can be read online, for free, legally, in 3 different laguages.
I'm not sure what you thought was "not entirely true" about my first
post, since I explicitly stated that it would be a mistake to think
that group contributions made GSO run and if fact brought up
literature as the primary source of revenue.
Bryce L. Martin
:|Bryce L. Martin <not...@anymore.net> wrote:
:|
:|>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:08:09 GMT, jp_mc...@hotmail.com (Jim McMahon) wrote:
:|>
:|>:|"tedw" <te...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:|>:|
:|>:|>You pay for it so you should know about it.
:|>:|
:|>:|<snip>
:|>:|
:|>:|Since literature sales make the bulk of the income it would be a
:|>:|mistake for one to believe that their group contributions are paying
:|>:|for the CEO salaries. Of the approxmimatley $5 a week I drop in the
:|>:|hat at my weekly meetings, not even a fraction of one cent makes it up
:|>:|to GSO. Some groups don't contribute to GSO at all (and they don't
:|>:|have to).
:|>:|
:|>:|
:|>:|
:|>:|Being ordinary and nothing special is a full-time job.
:|>:|jp_mc...@hotmail.com (Jim McMahon in real life)
:|>
:|>Not entirely true, considering that most of the AA literature is sold to AA
:|>members.
:|>
:|>
:|>Have a nice day;
:|>
:|>Bryce L. Martin
:|
:|Yes, of course AA literature is sold to AA members (and non-members).
:|I was simnply pointing out that it's mainly literature revenue, not
:|group contributions, that keeps GSO in business. In fact, literature
:|prices are adjusted periodically to accomodate shifts in voluntary
:|contributions.
:|
Snipped...
Didn't mean to upset you, but I took your post to mean that you were saying that
the membership were in no way contributing to WSO revenue. The most of the
literature is sold to the "recruits" in treatment centers and alano clubs.
These profits are mostly what pays for the WSO to operate. I was only trying to
say that in this way the members contribute through their purchase of
literature, and not by "passing the plate."
Jim McMahon
I wasn't upset. I was just surprised you took my post to mean one
thing when it said quite another.
stuart
> You pay for it so you should know about it.
>
>
> $103,000 for President of Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Ind.
>
> $207.683 AS General manager of General Service Board of Alcoholics
> Anonymous.
>
>
> Total Salary: $310,683
>
>
>
> www.guidestar.org
>
> You might also check out the salaries of some of the other non-profit
> groups helping alcoholics. Betty Ford Center to name just one.
>
> Helping Alcoholics is a good business to get into it seems.
Really? 300k salary for an exec in NY? That's pretty good for AA to attract
that kind of talent with such a modest salary IMO
Tommy
"Jim McMahon" > >Tommy
> >
> >
>
> I'm not sure what you perceive to be false pretenses. I was simply
> stating that of the amount I *personally* contribute to the group I
> attend each week, only a fraction of a cent makes it up to the level
> of GSO. My math may be off, so let me state it another way. Like
> most groups, we first pay our own expenses (coffee, rent, etc, to the
> tune of about $1200 a month). Then we contribute any execess over our
> prudent reserve to other levels of A.A. For my main group, we average
> approximately $130 a month we contribute directly to GSO. So, for the
> $10.0 per month I *personally* contribute, most of it is not getting
> to GSO. More of it is spent on rent and coffee than was sent to GSO.
There's a 25 25 50 or some such cut for subs in the US Jim.
I wasn't being mean or personal, I'm not into that carry on/
If I was being charged that amount of money for rent though I'd pretty soon
move to some other building.
ANywya
Cheers
Tommy
Jim McMahon
Yes, the rent ( $900 a month ) is pretty steep, but on the plus side
we have the building pretty much 24 hours a day. Our group hosts 21
meetings a week and has a potluck dinner once a month.
Yes, there are a couple of different "cut" or "split" plans groups
use. Mine uses the 25-25-50 plan. Others I've been involved with
used a 60-30-10 plan. There's no required plan, of course.
Tommy
"Jim McMahon" <> Yes, the rent ( $900 a month ) is pretty steep, but on the
plus side
> we have the building pretty much 24 hours a day. Our group hosts 21
> meetings a week and has a potluck dinner once a month.
>
> Yes, there are a couple of different "cut" or "split" plans groups
> use. Mine uses the 25-25-50 plan. Others I've been involved with
> used a 60-30-10 plan. There's no required plan, of course.
Sorry I didn't get to answer what you asked me earlier ..
I mant that it is not terribly legal to collect subs, if it isn't advertised
or generally known that the group doesn't support GSO.
We have a few groups that work this system. I won't call them mean cos they
go into prisons, and give out free lit. We are prone to drop our few euros
into the collection plate at every meeting we go to regardless of whether
it's our home group or not. I do know that any surplus that our GSO has
goes to US HQ, and is divided on a ratio basis with the International lit
fund and one other which I forget.
We tend to keep our org and structures fairly simple, and have but 4
intergroups representing the 4 province. This means there are very little
delegate expenses, and hence we have more to contribute along the way
Cheers
My bedtime
TOmmy
