A Bill for rosie
Tex
TaraG
"Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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This bill is proposed in the same way that the proposed legislation by local
Republicans legalizing gay marriage around election time were....not
genuine, but rather a challenging call to arms. But you knew that, right :-)
Tara
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
..and yet it's not entirely out of the question. Isn't compulsory service
in use in a number of countries? Israel and Germany for example...
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Nuts
TaraG
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I much preferred Clinton's idea of National Service. I had hoped
that it would turn into a 2 year mandatory service commitment, but with
choices about what level of government, or community services the teen could
participate in. To me, that would have brought a sense of responsibility and
a healthier patriotism (as opposed to Nationalism for those that are
inclined to see them as synonymous) than merely forcing a child to recite
some words to a flag.
Probably didn't explain that well, I'm jonesing for my coffee at this point.
Tara
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
On 5-Jun-2006, "TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
> news:O5Ygg.3583$f76.2456@dukeread06...
> >
> > On 5-Jun-2006, "TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:fgg882d7pio0g2bcv...@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> > http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
> >> >
> >> > Get that van in running condition.
> >>
> >> This bill is proposed in the same way that the proposed legislation by
> >> local
> >> Republicans legalizing gay marriage around election time were....not
> >> genuine, but rather a challenging call to arms. But you knew that, right
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Tara
> >
> > ..and yet it's not entirely out of the question. Isn't compulsory service
> > in use in a number of countries? Israel and Germany for example...
>
> Personally, I much preferred Clinton's idea of National Service. I had hoped
> that it would turn into a 2 year mandatory service commitment, but with
> choices about what level of government, or community services the teen could
> participate in. To me, that would have brought a sense of responsibility and
> a healthier patriotism (as opposed to Nationalism for those that are
> inclined to see them as synonymous) than merely forcing a child to recite
> some words to a flag.
Yep...I like that idea too. Politics is too much about cheering on your favorite
team . And so it's become insulated from full-contact participation. I thought
the idea of attaching a period of service to college financial aid recipients was good.
Hell, I'd like it better as a graduation requirment for ALL students. But not at the
administrative level. Graduates serve in front-line services: DHS, DMV, Medicaid,
Social Security, Medicare, etc.... And then post-graduates serve in positions
higher up the governmental ladder. But what do I know.....
>
> Probably didn't explain that well, I'm jonesing for my coffee at this point.
>
> Tara
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Nuts
F. H.
Explained clear enough. Couldn't agree more. The privatization of the
military was IMO one of those "road to hell, good intentions" deals.
David M
> The privatization of the military was IMO one of those "road
to
> hell, good intentions" deals.
No good intentions intended I'm sure. The government simply
realized it can use only an "all volunteer" army to project
U.S. military power without risking too much flak from the
governed.
Tim and Lisa
"TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Maybe a child's reciting the pledge will help inspire a later desire to
serve their country militarily (laying the groundwork or initiating the
idea) as opposed to mandating them to serve as adults.
TaraG
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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> Yep...I like that idea too. Politics is too much about cheering on your
> favorite
> team .
Yup, from the sidelines without any understanding of what's really at stake
or what it entails.
> And so it's become insulated from full-contact participation. I thought
> the idea of attaching a period of service to college financial aid
> recipients was good.
That was the only part I disagreed with. It should have been across the
board. That creates a situation where only poor kids participate in National
Service (which I think is totally unfair....especially if its a required
thing, which is what I was hoping for).
The reason they *had* to sweeten the pot so much for financial aid
recipients in the way the bill was presented (which was a big reason why the
conservatives were against it) was because its not like the kids were being
handed a lot of cash for college in the first place. Grants from the
government amounts to rougly bupkis in the overall cost of college. So 5
grand vouchers being put towards tuition over two years doesn't do a whole
lot for the average student....especially if they're not getting insurance
and a decent salary.
> Hell, I'd like it better as a graduation requirment for ALL students. But
> not at the
> administrative level. Graduates serve in front-line services: DHS, DMV,
> Medicaid,
> Social Security, Medicare, etc.... And then post-graduates serve in
> positions
> higher up the governmental ladder. But what do I know.....
Since I totally agree, I suddenly think you're quite knowledgeable....but
then what do I know.
Tara
F. H.
Exactly. No longer connected via draftee's to all parts of the country.
TaraG
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Swoooooosh
Tara
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
I believe Clinton's National Service was not about imposing a
military draft - quite the contrary. And Tara did not say military
service in her post, either.
Now as far as being inspirational goes - I'd have to ask you if
you think it's worked well thus far? Kids have been reciting the
Pledge for years - long enough to gauge whether it's produced the
results you're hoping it produces. I suppose the success of
an all-volunteer military might account for something..... But
what about taking and interest in and becoming proactive in
politics?
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TaraG
"F. H." <conn...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Yup, thus Chuck Rangel's proposed Bill. He figured it was a good way to
challenge the abuse of our military by having the general public have a
direct vested interest in how its used. Take it out of theory and put it
into practice. It also serves to make elected officials a wee bit more
hesitant to screech the rallying cry for invasion.
At least that was the thought behind it. Who knows what those pinheads in
gov't will turn it into. Something ineffective and ridiculous, I assume.
Tara
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
On 5-Jun-2006, "TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote:
Perhaps a compromise is needed? Gays (as a couple) must serve in
the military in order to earn the right to marry? It worked quite well
for ancient Sparta.
--
Nuts
David M
> TaraG wrote:
>> Who knows what those pinheads in gov't will turn it into.
>> Something ineffective and ridiculous, I assume.
> Perhaps a compromise is needed? Gays (as a couple) must
> serve in the military in order to earn the right to marry?
It worked
> quite well for ancient Sparta.
How about requiring a term of military service from anyone who
wants to run for Congress?
TaraG
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps a compromise is needed? Gays (as a couple) must serve in
> the military in order to earn the right to marry? It worked quite well
> for ancient Sparta.
Hmmmm...might need some tweaking. The "Don't ask, Don't tell" thing might be
an insurmountable hiccup.
How about: Gays must serve in the military *as straight people* (no change,
so far). If they successfully complete this assignment and are still gay,
they earn the right to attend a sexual orientation re-education camp (run by
TedW, of course).
Just trying to keep things in line with the current administration. Don't
wanna get my hopes up for anything fair and reasonable, dontcha know.
Tara
F. H.
Falwell and Robertson would be pink with envy.
Tim and Lisa
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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I really don't know Nuts, I didn't treally know anything from 78 -2001
except to get my fix. But I remember saying the Pledge in elementary school
and nothin was wrong with it, It didn't brainwash me if anything it was fun
a good way to start the day. My Dad was a Navy Seal U.D.T.and very proud of
his service. We all grew up with buzzed haircuts. Yes Sir, No Sir. And we
respect our Flag our Country and our ways of living. Alcohol was there
downfall too. ;o( I'm rambling on now... Anyways what I do know is I'm
coming uop on 5 years clean in August, My family is Happy I actually pay my
bills on time today, got food to eat, got a car to drive and the phones a
ringing!! ;o)
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
On 5-Jun-2006, "TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
> news:o__gg.3601$f76.697@dukeread06...
>
> > Perhaps a compromise is needed? Gays (as a couple) must serve in
> > the military in order to earn the right to marry? It worked quite well
> > for ancient Sparta.
>
> Hmmmm...might need some tweaking. The "Don't ask, Don't tell" thing might be
> an insurmountable hiccup.
>
> How about: Gays must serve in the military *as straight people* (no change,
> so far). If they successfully complete this assignment and are still gay,
> they earn the right to attend a sexual orientation re-education camp (run by
> TedW, of course).
I'm picturing a scene from "Velvet Goldmine" (ever seen it?) in which
Ewan McGreggor's character gets electroshock treament, in order to
"fry the fairy clean out of him"
>
> Just trying to keep things in line with the current administration. Don't
> wanna get my hopes up for anything fair and reasonable, dontcha know.
>
> Tara
--
Nuts
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
It wasn't an accusation, Tim. :) I too woke up from a long sleep. It
never occurred to me until recently to ponder my patriotism or my
politcs. It never occurred to me to think at all - as far as that goes.
But I'm awake now, damn it. And I like it!
--
Nuts
Tim and Lisa
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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None takin ! ;o)
I'm still waking up year by year and I like it too!! ;o) I gotta get down
to Sears and do some price checkin on some things. See if they got anything
new for pressure washers. Sheesh was just there last week, never know
though. ;o)
readandpostrosie
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"Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Chronocidal Charlie
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Kinda my nature in the past or for that matter, most of my life to wake
up, but not want to, nor put forth the effort, nor take the
responsibility on my own, to go on and *get* up, *clean* up and *get*
*going* with *life* and the *way* of the *world* and be on good terms
with both as far as possible without surrender.
Nah hell my way was to wake up and just lay there and whine 'bout
nothing never coming nor going my way. *They,* the world and life had
teamed up against me to preclude that. To make matters worse, the world
and life wouldn't even come by to my bedside to listen to me.
But I took care of that. I got me Internet, Usenet, a wireless keyboard
and mouse so now I kin jest lay thar all day and tell life and the world
how they ought to be doing things so's it would make my efforts at
getting out of bed worthwhile.
Don't none of em pay much attention, though so invariably I has to go on
and drag my ass out, make my daily bread and git all the above shit out
of my head. Having to that sure do piss me off.
Sheesh! I the most valuable resource the world and life got and the
ingrates won't come bring me breakfast in bed and take my orders for
the day's operations.
If they would do that just once, or maybe twice, I could have all the
problems plaguing life and the world straightened out in... Oh hell
maybe a day or two.
Cause I a ex-drunk and empowered with special abilities.
See
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On 5-Jun-2006, Chronocidal Charlie <cle...@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> nutso...@nunyabiz.com wrote:
<snip>
Is this what you might call one of them bona fide Monday-moods
you mentioned yesterday, Charlie?
Over.....
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nutso...@nunyabiz.com
On 5-Jun-2006, nutso...@nunyabiz.com wrote:
Oh... and nice allegory, btw. Directed at anyone I should
know, perchance? ;-)
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Nuts
Tim and Lisa
"Chronocidal Charlie" <cle...@hot.rr.com> wrote in message
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See, See! ;o)
Chronocidal Charlie
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Did ya tally up the I, me, and my ratio to the them and they?
Nah. Jest an old pair shoes set out on the *Free* *Store* shelf fer
anyone they might fit. Be kinda silly sumbuddy gitten bisters on they
heels and crimping they toes, less they is just totally impoverished and
got some coals or hot sand they just gotta walk over and ill fitten
shoes be more comfortable than scorched and seared souls, I mean soles.
I think! ;-)
This element returning to listening silence. Key mike and break squelch
twice if you ROGER this x-mission.
araa 10 out.
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Tim and Lisa
Look at this ; Base jumping
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=f2b7bc3ec17688b0fb8a3a894c2e8953.0970599ec78301bbce3957137dbebbb1&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2F%3Fei%3DUTF-8&vback=featured%20videos
JimB
> >> > Get that van in running condition.
> >> This bill is proposed in the same way that the proposed legislation by
> >> local
> >> Republicans legalizing gay marriage around election time were....not
> >> genuine, but rather a challenging call to arms. But you knew that, right
> > ..and yet it's not entirely out of the question. Isn't compulsory service
> > in use in a number of countries? Israel and Germany for example...
>
> Personally, I much preferred Clinton's idea of National Service. I had hoped
> that it would turn into a 2 year mandatory service commitment, but with
> choices about what level of government, or community services the teen could
> participate in. To me, that would have brought a sense of responsibility and
> a healthier patriotism (as opposed to Nationalism for those that are
> inclined to see them as synonymous) than merely forcing a child to recite
> some words to a flag.
>
> Probably didn't explain that well, I'm jonesing for my coffee at this point.
Slap, kick, punch, slap.................I *need* coffee! ;-)
JimB
TaraG wrote:
> Yup, thus Chuck Rangel's proposed Bill. He figured it was a good way to
> challenge the abuse of our military by having the general public have a
> direct vested interest in how its used. Take it out of theory and put it
> into practice. It also serves to make elected officials a wee bit more
> hesitant to screech the rallying cry for invasion.
Great plan.
>
> At least that was the thought behind it. Who knows what those pinheads in
> gov't will turn it into. Something ineffective and ridiculous, I assume.
And I assume you will be extremely correct.
JImB
Tim and Lisa
"JimB" <jimbu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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at 5:30 Jim ? What you doing man! ;O)
JimB
Tim and Lisa wrote:
> > Slap, kick, punch, slap.................I *need* coffee! ;-)
> at 5:30 Jim ? What you doing man! ;O)
Realizing that I ain't base jumpin' and kinda gettin' sleepy. Work day
started at 5AM. I hate when that happens ;-)
TaraG
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
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> I'm picturing a scene from "Velvet Goldmine" (ever seen it?) in which
> Ewan McGreggor's character gets electroshock treament, in order to
> "fry the fairy clean out of him"
Nope, never seen it....but its on my netflix list as of now :-)
Tara
Tommy
"David M" <
> How about requiring a term of military service from anyone who
> wants to run for Congress?
Or a two year committment in uniform to become a citizen.
Feck 'em, if they want to suck unka sams tit,
let them start with their section commanders dick..
Wouldn't that sort out the men from the weeds hahahahaha
Or make them do public boarding school, same thing as they do in Britland.
It helps them to decide if they want to be gay or not in later life. 2
birds(?) with 2 stones (?)
Your country needs you - come, and join the 1st Anal brigade
Cheers
Tommy
Tex
wrote:
>
>"Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
>>
>> Get that van in running condition.
>
>This bill is proposed in the same way that the proposed legislation by local
>Republicans legalizing gay marriage around election time were....not
>genuine, but rather a challenging call to arms. But you knew that, right :-)
>
>Tara
>
It's not like I'm real astute when it comes to bills & most other
political stuff...I read it on another ng and googled it and found it
rather interesting....I did take it as spoof, but then ya just never
know. Any rosie and her van popped into my head.
Tex
<reada...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>won't it just be terrible is this stupid war requires a draft?
Actually imo I think a draft would be one of the best things that
could happen in this present climate...ok rosie before you pucker
up...I think a draft in general would suck big time, still it may take
that log on the fire so to speak to put forth enough light to wake and
unite the one's that can really make a difference...the everyday run
of the mill joe & jill...maybe then it wouldn't just be the 30% of the
30% registered to vote voting and maybe joe & jill's roar would
actually be heard.....one can wish, heh?
What the fuck do I know? Check the battery on the van though just in
case!
Craig S.
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>
> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
>
> Get that van in running condition.
Plenty of countries require a period of national public service. Applied
equally across the board, I don't have a problem with it. It gives young
people a way to serve their country without joining the military.
Craig S.
news:ut_gg.109$Fh...@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> Maybe a child's reciting the pledge will help inspire a later desire to
> serve their country militarily (laying the groundwork or initiating the
> idea) as opposed to mandating them to serve as adults.
Forcing a kid to eat vanilla ice cream growing up ain't gonna keep them from
wanting a chocolate cone as a young adult.
F. H.
When the draft ended, male initiation rites ended in our culture. A
valuable, important and misunderstood ritual with long historical roots
in human history was lost, IMHO.
David M
> "David M" <
>> How about requiring a term of military service from anyone
who
>> wants to run for Congress?
> Or a two year committment in uniform to become a citizen.
> Feck 'em, if they want to suck unka sams tit,
> let them start with their section commanders dick..
How long were you in the Army, Tommy? ;-)
F. H.
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:35:59 GMT, "F. H." <conn...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Craig S. wrote:
>>> "Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
>>>>
>>>> Get that van in running condition.
>>> Plenty of countries require a period of national public service. Applied
>>> equally across the board, I don't have a problem with it. It gives young
>>> people a way to serve their country without joining the military.
>> When the draft ended, male initiation rites ended in our culture. A
>> valuable, important and misunderstood ritual with long historical roots
>> in human history was lost, IMHO.
snip to zero in / / / /
> I have to tell you though that if it weren't for the military, I'm
> sure I would have not acquired even a modicum of self discipline nor
> would I have started college, much less finished it. The AF wanted me
> to do more education wise and I did. Simple as that.
When I first read and heard about the importance of male initiation and
how it has pretty much been lost in modern civilization it rang true to
me in much the same way as Campbell's work with mythology and its
connection to the collective unconscious did. Add to that the
industrial revolution (where males were leaving the vicinity of daily
family life for work in the big city) and you have (IMO) the two most
influential events on male behavior in the modern world.
> Kids just think a bad thing went away, but I'm not so sure. Wars
> change things though and what 'the people' will accept. We probably
> got a lot of whiney kids now we wouldn't have had if the draft were
> still around. Think?
Yep. Of course you could have initiation rites without war (I don't
think the old tribal rituals focused on conflict all that much). Not
sure, but guaranteed, when they returned to the tribe after the rites
they were looked upon as men and acted as such. The poet Robert Bly is
the one who brought attention to a lot of this with his book Iron John.
Ron G
"F. H." <conn...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Yep. Of course you could have initiation rites without war (I don't think
> the old tribal rituals focused on conflict all that much). Not sure, but
> guaranteed, when they returned to the tribe after the rites they were
> looked upon as men and acted as such. The poet Robert Bly is the one who
> brought attention to a lot of this with his book Iron John.
A great video is "A Gathering of Men". Robert Bly is interviewed by Bill
Moyer. This brought a lot of things home for me. Especially the lack of
older men as male mentors in a young man's life.
RonG
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
Which begs the question, what would constitute manhood in modern
times? What produces manliness today without such rites of passage?
Or is that the diagnosis/prognosis, that the age of men is over....?
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Nuts
David M
> . . . what would constitute manhood in modern
> times? What produces manliness today without such rites of
> passage? Or is that the diagnosis/prognosis, that the age of
men
> is over....?
Well, for one thing:
Chronocidal Charlie
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nutso...@nunyabiz.com wrote:
> On 6-Jun-2006, "F. H." <conn...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> GaryE wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:35:59 GMT, "F. H." <conn...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Craig S. wrote:
>>>>> "Tex" <twiz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get that van in running condition.
>>>>> Plenty of countries require a period of national public service.
>> snip to zero in / / / /
>>
>>> I have to tell you though that if it weren't for the military, I'm
>>> sure I would have not acquired even a modicum of self discipline nor
>>> would I have started college, much less finished it.
>> When I first read and heard about the importance of male initiation
>>> Kids just think a bad thing went away, but I'm not so sure. Wars
>>> change things though and what 'the people' will accept. We probably
>>> got a lot of whiney kids now we wouldn't have had if the draft were
>>> still around. Think?
>> Yep. Of course you could have initiation rites without war (I don't
>> think the old tribal rituals focused on conflict all that much).
> Which begs the question, what would constitute manhood in modern
> times? What produces manliness today without such rites of passage?
> Or is that the diagnosis/prognosis, that the age of men is over....?
>
I know whut it take to be a Man! Unhuh! I do to. Gul Kahn tole me when I
wuz in Pakistan. Sheesh, he started spouten off in Urdu to one he sons
one day and and I sez...
Gul, Whut the hell yew haranguing that boy 'bout?
And he sez to me in more English than I had any idea that he gnu. ;-)
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
"Sheesh! Gul, that purty. I didn't know yew a poet."
He looked puzzled and sed, "Not me Charlie Sahib. That Kipling Sahib. So
my daddy sed." ;-)
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Tommy
> How long were you in the Army, Tommy? ;-)
I was talking about Yanks, David.
We have them over here too. But you asked how long?
I started at about average, 7 to 7 and a half inches. Then I got promoted
to
Cpl and it grew by 1 inch. Cpls are not that important.
But the following year I got promoted in the field, (thats a Miltary term,
don't get confused) serving overseas. We had about 50 yanks stationed with
us then - and it went out of all proportion. I left with a solid 9 inches,
all home grown by good ole yankee suckers...
I have a lot to thank you for alright. Thankfully I didn't get commissioned
overseas, they would have had to give me an outrageous pension :-))
Glad you asked though. Although you sound like a nice sucker :-)) The
offer is not open, sorry. Try someone that yer oul mouth will fit around.
Cheers
MightyTommy
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
Okay... one vote for dress attire. A man must be
well-dressed.
--
Nuts
F. H.
LMAO So much for *that* idea.
F. H.
I think the emphasis was more on adult than manliness. Honesty, civic
responsibility etc.. I think a key element is the acceptance and
expectation of change by peers.
F. H.
Got it on tape around here somewhere. The lack of mentors is what I was
getting at with the mention of the industrial revolution. Do you recall
the conversation about Bly's father on his death bed?
Speaking of poets and fathers a former poet laureate passed away last
week and I saved the obituary because it was too damn long to read the
morning it was published. His name was Stanley Kunitz, he was 100 years
old. Here's an excerpt that deals with fathers:
Although he admired his mother and never doubted that she loved him, she
spent little time at home and was emotionally inaccessible. She never
spoke of his father and, as he wrote in "The Portrait" did not tolerate
reminders of him at all:
She locked his name in her deepest cabinet
and would not let him out,
though I could hear him thumping.
When I came down from the attic with the pastel
portrait in my hand of a long-lipped stranger
with a brave moustache and deep brown level eyes,
she ripped it into shreds without a single word
and slapped me hard.
In my sixty fourth year I can still feel my cheek
burning.
Tex
Here we ain't going to find applied equally across the board happening
in my or your life time for sure and more than likely not in your
childrens life time.
For sure were there a period of national public service it would be
easier to fill the ranks of the military and justify those who didn't
bare the actual arms as being well huh....prez material. Hah ha!
The 18 to 26 being used in the past...with 36 a volunteer
option...with the now suggested 18 to 42 grouping seems to tell the
selection window for the fodder still is going to rest on the so
called young marginals.
Tex
wrote:
>Kids just think a bad thing went away, but I'm not so sure. Wars
>change things though and what 'the people' will accept. We probably
>got a lot of whiney kids now we wouldn't have had if the draft were
>still around. Think?
>
>Best,
>GaryE
I don't know about whiney...but I bet Canada has less of our young and
fewer of our young are carrying bad paper and maybe bunk time with the
bubba's & tedw's of this country.
Michael H.
>>
>> > Perhaps a compromise is needed? Gays (as a couple) must serve in
>> > the military in order to earn the right to marry? It worked quite well
>> > for ancient Sparta.
>>
>> Hmmmm...might need some tweaking. The "Don't ask, Don't tell" thing might
>> be
>> an insurmountable hiccup.
>>
>> How about: Gays must serve in the military *as straight people* (no
>> change,
>> so far). If they successfully complete this assignment and are still gay,
>> they earn the right to attend a sexual orientation re-education camp (run
>> by
>> TedW, of course).
>
> I'm picturing a scene from "Velvet Goldmine" (ever seen it?) in which
> Ewan McGreggor's character gets electroshock treament, in order to
> "fry the fairy clean out of him"
> Nuts
Oh yea...I heard that shock stuff works great for that;
http://www.extremerestraints.com/electrosex-gear_43/e-stim-accessories_179/
Peace
mgh
(Sombody told me about those things....)
>>
>> Just trying to keep things in line with the current administration. Don't
>> wanna get my hopes up for anything fair and reasonable, dontcha know.
>>
>> Tara
>
>
>
Michael H.
"Craig S." <cspurlockt...@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote in message
news:1Zhhg.14$rL...@fe03.lga...
I still hate those little pearl onions in peas.
Early childhood trauma...
Peace
mgh
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
Did you mean to say 'shock stuff' or 'shocking stuff'? Or were you
just coming on to me? I'm pretty naive about a lot of stuff and so it's
hard for me to tell.......
>
> Peace
> mgh
>
> (Sombody told me about those things....)
He's called your 'boyfriend' or possibly 'significant other'. But if
you're not feeling comfortable yet with your lifestyle..... buddy or
pal will do just fine.
>
>
> >>
> >> Just trying to keep things in line with the current administration. Don't
> >> wanna get my hopes up for anything fair and reasonable, dontcha know.
> >>
> >> Tara
> >
> >
> >
--
Nuts
F. H.
> On 7-Jun-2006, "Michael H." <mgh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
>>> I'm picturing a scene from "Velvet Goldmine" (ever seen it?) in which
>>> Ewan McGreggor's character gets electroshock treament, in order to
>>> "fry the fairy clean out of him"
>> Oh yea...I heard that shock stuff works great for that;
>> http://www.extremerestraints.com/electrosex-gear_43/e-stim-accessories_179/
> Did you mean to say 'shock stuff' or 'shocking stuff'? Or were you
> just coming on to me? I'm pretty naive about a lot of stuff and so it's
> hard for me to tell.......
Gawd, I did have to go and click on that. Well, at least I now know
what all the machinists are doing that got out of aerospace.
nutso...@nunyabiz.com
On 5-Jun-2006, "TaraG" <tarag...@verizon.net> wrote:
Michael's post reminded me that I'd not followed up on yours...
While it's not 'Trainspotting' if you enjoy glam-rock, even a little,
you'll probably enjoy this movie. I'm a big fan of Iggy Pop
(arguably not even remotely glam) McGreggor does a spot
on imitation of him, which alone makes it worth watching. Imo.
T-Rex music also.........
If any of what I'm saying is Greekish, you might want to pass
on it. :-)
--
Nuts
TaraG
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
news:9QHhg.5049$f76.1255@dukeread06...
Actually, none of it is Greek at all....so I've just moved it up on my
Netflix queue :-)
Thanks
Tara
Michael H.
From Boeing to boinking!
Peace
mgh
If ignorance is bliss I must be a genius.
Michael H.
<nutso...@nunyabiz.com> wrote in message
news:dFHhg.5046$f76.3532@dukeread06...
I have another term...Your mom!
Your mom is so nasty, when she takes off her panties it sounds like Velcro.
OH SNAP!
Peace - offering
mgh
Craig S.
> The 18 to 26 being used in the past...with 36 a volunteer
> option...with the now suggested 18 to 42 grouping seems to tell the
> selection window for the fodder still is going to rest on the so
> called young marginals.
I'm no longer a young marginal. (sigh)