Drink Away Alcohol Addiction

[jimbo]

You recover and keep on drinking! Wow!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-leonhardt/canadian-alcoholic-cure_b_10564174.html

[Mike T.]

jimbo <james.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You recover and keep on drinking! Wow!
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-leonhardt/canadian-alcoholic-cure_b_10564174.html
>

Every alcoholic should try that method until it doesn't work for them. Then
they should try AA as the last option. It would surely benefit all the
potential alcoholics who have not yet hit bottom and aren't willing to go
to any lengths which the Twelve Steps require for successful recovery.

[Rob D.]

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5, jimbo wrote:
> You recover and keep on drinking! Wow!
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-leonhardt/canadian-alcoholic-cure_b_10564174.html

Wow.

I just cannot wait to take a pill that will disrupt the pleasure centers of my brain!

Then I will be able to drink . . . um . . . moderately . . . which . . . I suppose . . . I want to do . . . for some . . . reason . . .

Who needs to be able to get a laugh at the daily comics page, enjoy a joke, of feel a thrill of pleasure at some particularly stirring passage of music? Such pleasures pale, I say *pale* when compared with the possibility of taking a drink . . . which . . . I will not . . . . enjoy . . . ?

Where do I sign up?!?!!

[Rob D.]

You first.

[Mike T.]

I already tried methods available at the time. This new option is for
new alcoholics.

[jimbo]

On Tuesday, 21 June 2016 00:11:23 UTC-4, Rob D. wrote:
> Who needs to be able to get a laugh at the daily comics page, enjoy a joke, of feel a thrill of pleasure at some particularly stirring passage of music? Such pleasures pale, I say *pale* when compared with the possibility of taking a drink . . . which . . . I will not . . . . enjoy . . . ?

Obviously you can't read very well. The pill is taken with the alcohol until the addiction is removed and then "normal" drinking is resumed.

[Rob D.]

Obviously.

I cannot imagine *why* I would not be confident that a new drug designed to block the dopamine receptors in the brain would work, permanently, exactly as anticipated, with absolutely *no* unexpected long-term effects.

You try it, and let me know how that works out for you.

[Charlie M. 1958]

On 6/20/2016 10:19 PM, jimbo wrote:
> You recover and keep on drinking! Wow!
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-leonhardt/canadian-alcoholic-cure_b_10564174.html
>

In theory, it seems reasonable enough. I'm curious about the long-term
success, though. They said 25% became abstainers. Of the other 75%, how
long and how closely have they been followed? Whether alcoholism is
caused by genetics, psychological factors, or a combination of both, it
seems to me that an alcoholic who undergoes this treatment and continues
to drink will likely re-train his brain right back into the same old
cycle eventually.

[Skeezix LaRocca]

On 06/21/2016 12:07 AM, Mike T. wrote:

>
>
> Every alcoholic should try that method until it doesn't work for them. Then
> they should try AA as the last option. It would surely benefit all the
> potential alcoholics who have not yet hit bottom and aren't willing to go
> to any lengths which the Twelve Steps require for successful recovery.
>

Drat, foiled again...We agree, once again. :)
--
Freedom of religion is great, but I'll take freedom FROM it any day.

[Skeezix LaRocca]

On 06/21/2016 08:25 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:

>
> In theory, it seems reasonable enough. I'm curious about the long-term
> success, though. They said 25% became abstainers. Of the other 75%, how
> long and how closely have they been followed? Whether alcoholism is
> caused by genetics, psychological factors, or a combination of both, it
> seems to me that an alcoholic who undergoes this treatment and continues
> to drink will likely re-train his brain right back into the same old
> cycle eventually.

There will *never* be a shortage of marketing schemes aimed at the
quick-fixers...I love hearing about them.

[Dexter]

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Perhaps you mean "active" alcoholics, with $5,000 to burn.

--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when
they do it from religious conviction." -

Blaise Pascal

[Dexter]

Rob D. wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 5:54:38 AM UTC-5, jimbo
> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 21 June 2016 00:11:23 UTC-4, Rob D. wrote:
> > > Who needs to be able to get a laugh at the daily
> > > comics page, enjoy a joke, of feel a thrill of
> > > pleasure at some particularly stirring passage of

> > > music? Such pleasures pale, I say pale when compared

> > > with the possibility of taking a drink . . . which .
> > > . . I will not . . . . enjoy . . . ?
> >
> > Obviously you can't read very well. The pill is taken
> > with the alcohol until the addiction is removed and
> > then "normal" drinking is resumed.
>
> Obviously.
>

> I cannot imagine why I would not be confident that a new

> drug designed to block the dopamine receptors in the
> brain would work, permanently, exactly as anticipated,

> with absolutely no unexpected long-term effects.

>
> You try it, and let me know how that works out for you.

______________________________________________


Naltrexone is hardly a new drug.

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/gazorpa/History.html

"Naltrexone was originally synthesized in 1963
and patented in 1967 as “Endo 1639A” (US patent
no. 3332950) by Endo Laboratories, a small
pharmaceutical company in Long Island, NY,
a company with extensive experience in
narcotics."


In adition, this treatment regimen requires a commitment on
the part of the alcololic or addict to abstain from any and
all narcotics for a week to 10 days prior to beginning this
therapy since this drug can cause acute narcotic withdrawal
in those with a dependence on opioids. Further, this
therapy requires a continued commitment to taking the
medication on a daily basis. As the half life is between
3 and 13 hours this drug wears off in about a day or so.
So it would seem some sort of therapy would be indicated in
order to support its use.

It seems a valid treatment option to me and I cannot see
any objection to its use. As with any medication there are
side effects, mostly symptoms of gastric distress but liver
injury is also on the list. Thus for any alcoholic with
symptoms of liver disease this might not be an option. But
for those seeking a nonspiritual fix for their alcohol
problem it could be a solution. If it works then surely it
should be offered as an option. If they've got financial
resources to pay for it then why not try it? AA will
always remain an option.

[Mark Warner]

On 6/21/2016 12:16 PM, Dexter wrote:
>
> It seems a valid treatment option to me and I cannot see
> any objection to its use. As with any medication there are
> side effects, mostly symptoms of gastric distress but liver
> injury is also on the list. Thus for any alcoholic with
> symptoms of liver disease this might not be an option. But
> for those seeking a nonspiritual fix for their alcohol
> problem it could be a solution. If it works then surely it
> should be offered as an option. If they've got financial
> resources to pay for it then why not try it? AA will
> always remain an option.

This. While I'm dubious, if the "success" rate is anything even close to
what they claim, this would be a dramatic breakthrough.

--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying

[Charlie M. 1958]

The basic principle makes perfect sense, and I can imagine the
short-term success rate being very high. But, by itself, this treatment
would be doing absolutely nothing to fix the underlying reasons why an
individual began abusing alcohol in the first place. Take away the drug,
and moderate drinking starts the pleasure cycle all over again.

It might be a very good treatment plan for some types of alcoholics, but
probably not so much for the type AA was really intended for. As Dexter
said, it would be worth a try.

[Charlie M. 1958]

On 6/21/2016 11:52 AM, Charlie M. 1958 wrote:

> It might be a very good treatment plan for some types of alcoholics, but
> probably not so much for the type AA was really intended for. As Dexter
> said, it would be worth a try.

One other thought:

Going back to the statistic of 25% remaining abstinent and 75%
continuing to drink moderately...

If you had just had your ass kicked by alcohol, to the point where you
had to undergo an expensive treatment program, why would you want to
continue drinking at all? That doesn't seem like the reaction of a
normal person to me.

[Mike T.]

Because the main problem of the alcoholic centers in the mind. This option
is only trying to treat the craving, not the obsession. AA is the exact
opposite of that.

[Mark Warner]

On 6/21/2016 2:44 PM, Mike T. wrote:
>
> Because the main problem of the alcoholic centers in the mind. This option
> is only trying to treat the craving, not the obsession. AA is the exact
> opposite of that.

Really? It sounded like just the opposite to me. The brain training
would treat the obsession, but the "phenomenon of craving" that is
experienced once you start drinking is what had me scratching my head. I
*know* what that shit is -- that shit's physical as well as mental --
and am doubtful that anyone that is susceptible to that could have any
success with this method.

[Charlie M. 1958]

Now we're getting into semantics, but I sort of see it the same way as
Mike. My take is that the drug therapy would break the cycle of craving,
because a person drinks without pleasure long enough to stop the brain
from expecting the reward. But it's the /obsession/, IMO, that would
make a person keep trying to drink moderately after already having had a
very bad experience with alcohol.